Scamfluencers - The Catholic Conman

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

In the early 2000s, Raffaello Follieri makes a name for himself among the New York City elite. Fashioning himself as a savvy Italian businessman – it doesn’t hurt that he’s dating movie star Anne Hathaway – he hobnobs with billionaires and brags about his connections to the Catholic Church. Pretty soon, he lands a multi-million-dollar deal that funds his yacht trips, private jets, and personal chef. But when it turns out his supposed ties to the Vatican are flimsy, he’ll need more than a prayer to save himself.Support us by supporting our sponsors!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey, prime members, you can listen to scam influencers add free on Amazon music. Download the app today. Sachi, we're both single women. Mm-hmm. Do you think it would be hard to beg a truly famous celebrity or movie star? Like to date one? How famous? Like or movie star, like to date one. How famous. Like, one in Oscar, recently famous, or like on the trajectory to win an Oscar. He's really famous, he's on in magazines, people respect him. Yeah, sure, yeah, you know what?

I probably could. I'm not think he'd be proud of it, but I could probably do it, yes. I think you could too, and not to discredit your abilities, but I personally feel like it'd be extremely easy. Probably, yeah, men are simple. Also, you and I have an overinflated sense of ego. Oh, I have absolutely no sense of what I actually have, that's true. I believe in you, and we're going to make it happen. Thank you. I'm about to tell you the story of a man who scammed his way into dating a

truly a-list star four years. I can't wait to listen to this. Oh boy. It's September 2006 and a group of photographers are anxiously gathered outside a step-in-repeat in Midtown Manhattan. They're all looking to get the perfect shot when in walks Raffaiello Fullyary. He's a 28 year old Italian real estate mogul, and he's handsome with all of skin, wavy brown hair, and full lips often set in a disarming smile. Tonight, he's looking dapper in a double-breasted suit. But the photographers aren't focused on him. They're focused on his famous girlfriend, Anne Hathaway.

At this point, Anne is 23 years old and completely glowing in a flowy black pant and sleepless white blouse. She confidently follows Rafael Lose lead, pass the photographers. You're here for the second annual Clinton Global Initiative Conference. It's an event where global leaders gather to discuss the world's most pressing challenges,

and also where they promise to donate millions of dollars to charity. This year, attendees are set to include Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson, and Raphael O. During the event, former President Bill Clinton calls Raphaelto the stage in front of everyone. Bill wants to personally thank him for pledging to donate $50 million to his charity. The room erupts in applause, and no one is clapping harder than Anne. As Raphaelto shakes Bill's hand, he's overcome with pride. Three years earlier, Raphaelot moved to New York completely broke with nothing but charisma and a business idea. And now, he's being singled out for praise in a room full of some of the wealthiest,

most influential people in the world. There's just one problem. Rafaelo doesn't have $50 million. In fact, his charity doesn't have any money, Sachi. Rafaelo's living a lie. Turns out, fancy friends, private jets, and official looking letters from the Vatican will only get you so far. Wondery's new podcast, Dis and Tell, wades into the glorious mess of celebrity beef. Each episode explores a different iconic celebrity feud, and asks, what does our obsession

with these feuds say about us? Follow Dis and Tell wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondery's podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the story of OxyContin, a popular painkiller that helps spur an epidemic of addiction and drug abuse, in which prompted a broad campaign to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable. Listen to American Scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts.

to American scandal on Amazon music or wherever you get your podcasts. From Wondery, I'm Sarah Haggi, and I'm Satchy Cole. And this is scamful answers. Today's scam is so gutsy. We've covered a lot of scammers who pretended to know famous people, but Raphael was willing to name-check the freaking Pope. He used his supposed connections to the Catholic Church to con billionaire businessmen, a-list actors, and political powerhouses, in the name of the father, son, and the holy scam artist.

I'm calling today's episode the Catholic Conman. In the early 2000s, several years before Raphael O'Kladhands built Clinton on stage, he visits New York City with his girlfriend, Italian actress Isabella Orcini. Isabella is a stunning brunette with high cheekbones and piercing blue eyes. And on these trips, they go to dinner with a friend who also happens to be a trademark lawyer.

Maybe there are the high-end sushi restaurant Nobu, which Sachi, I don't think you'll be surprised to hear, is one of Rafael's favorite restaurants. Rafael is probably discussing the details of his and Isabella's budding cosmetics company, Beauty Planet. At this point, the business idea is a little nebulous, but it's almost like the product itself doesn't matter. What matters is making money,

and part by cashing in on Isabella's glamorous image. Raphael doesn't speak English well, but what he lacks in substance makes up for in charisma and passion. Raphael has dreams of making it big in America as a powerful businessman. He's always admired Aristotle O'Nassus, who made his first million by 25.

He thinks projecting the image of a successful businessman is the key to becoming one. So until he makes it big, he's going to play the part by using what little money he and his family do have for expensive dinners, nice clothes, and international travel. New York City is a far cry from Foggia where Raphael O was raised. It's a southern Italian city about a four-hour drive from Rome and it's mostly known for its agriculture. To further his image, Raphael O'Tele's people he comes from a long line

of successful businessmen. But in reality, his mother is a math and science teacher and his father, Pasquale, is an attorney and occasional journalist. Raphael O'Recently dropped out of the University of Rome. He tells people he needs to devote more time This is the most recent Rafaello dropped out of the University of Rome. He tells people he needs to devote more time to his new business, Beauty Planet. Rome wasn't built in a day,

and neither are hugely successful companies. He goes around hyping Beauty Planet, probably telling everyone that it's going to be the next big thing in cosmetics. But the truth is, it's not. In 2002, just three years after launching the company, Rafael O'Throw's in the towel. By this point, he's bounced more than $50,000 in checks,

according to Vanity Fair. And it seems like Rafael O'And Isabella have also called it quits. But Rafael O' doesn't let facts get in the way of perception. Instead, he reportedly tells people he sold Beauty Planet for $35 million and that he's moving on to the next business idea. And for that, he finds inspiration from an unlikely source,

the Vatican. About a year after Beauty Planet goes bust, Rafaelos throwing a party in New York City to charm potential investors for his new business. He calls it the Fully Airy Group. The event is being held at a bougie private social club called the University Club. According to Vanity Fair, Rafaelo booked it with the help of his new attorney, Richard

or Toly. Richard's a bald man in his 50s with a mischievous smile. They recently met when Richard helped Raphaelot draw up incorporation papers. And Raphaelot also charmed Richard into letting him stay in his guest room. You know, just until Raphaelot gets his new business off the ground, he's going to become a real estate mogul

by buying and flipping unused church properties. Around this time, the Catholic church is dealing with a wave of child abuse lawsuits and handling all the legal fees and settlements has taken its toll. So, they're looking to sell some of their properties in order to make some money. Rafael thinks he's in a unique position

to buy their properties because he has a connection to the Vatican. Okay, well, first of all, that's an incredible business idea to sell properties off of the backs of all these abused children, interesting. I am curious what connections he has to the Vatican that's making this feasible. Rafael is friendly with Andrea Sardano.

He's in his 40s and he happens to be the nephew of Cardinal Sardano. Now, being a Cardinal's nephew may not seem like that big of a deal, but Cardinal Sodano is a Cardinal Secretary of State over the Holy Seas government. Besides a Pope, Cardinal Sodano is the church's most powerful official, and Pope John Paul II's health is failing, so Cardinal Sodano has been making decisions on his behalf. The Cardinal and the Vatican have no involvement with Raphael's business, but he isn't above implying that they do.

Raphael works the room, and even though he's only 25, he charms everyone. Plus, he's kind of cute. Sachi, can you describe what he looks like? He looks like if you ran an iron over Zach Braff. He has that like wavy brown hair, impish Caucasian man on the cusp of being very rich is what it looks like to me. Yeah, he definitely has a look

that many people would find charming. And he tells potential investors that he's a devout Catholic who goes to church every Sunday. He also gives them the impression that he's in the unique position to buy church properties at a discounted rate. Raphaelos' pitch is compelling, and the mere presence of so many powerful church officials reinforces his lofty talk. Richard, for one, is sold, and he becomes the first of many investors to hand Raffaello a big check. After just a few months of gathering investors, Raffaello is raised around $400,000 and is

often running. Instead of using it to buy church properties though, he spends a money on making himself look successful. He buys expensive clothes and bars and investors' white Mercedes, and Sachi, this is a completely unnecessary detail, but according to an Italian newspaper, it has bulletproof windows. Things are going so well that within a few months, Raffaello has moved off of Richard's couch and into a penthouse in Trump Tower. Raffaello is doing everything to look like a successful businessman and fit in with the New York elite, but it's not until he wins the heart of a rising Hollywood star that he's catapulted into a world of fame and glamour, unlike anything he could have imagined himself.

About two hours north of Manhattan and Pekipsi, New York, 21-year-old Anne Hathaway is a sophomore at Vassar. At this point, she's just starting to make it big. It's 2004. The Princess Diaries 2 is about to come out and she's just landed her first big dramatic role in the highly anticipated movie, Rogue Back Mountain. Anne's career is really taking off, and she's looking for her love life to do the same. In an art imitating life kind of way, her character in the Princess Diaries 2 says, I'm ready for a romantic fairy tale love.

But at this exact moment, Anne is pissed and ready to give up on love. She recently agreed to go out with this hot Italian she met through a mutual friend, but he's late for their date, like really late. I don't know where he asked her to meet, but knowing Rafaelo, I'm imagining and fuming over a glass of wine at Chippuriani.

After an hour, Rafaelo finally arrives. This is not very Princess Diaries one or two of Raffaello. I'm disappointed at him. Very disappointed. But over the course of the date and softens, Raffaello charms her like he does everyone else. And a few days later, when he reportedly sends her a dozen red roses and an apology,

she agrees to a second date. She later tells an interviewer that it was love at first sight, and she even goes as far to say that he looks like a god. Raphael and Anne become inseparable. It seems like Anne spends most of her time at Raphael's penthouse apartment. She watches him interact with his father and other staffers as they discuss real estate,

decide which church officials to contact and what potential properties to bid on. A few months into dating, Raffaello takes Anne to Rome for an audience with Pope John Paul II. Sachi, will you describe this picture from their trip? It appears to be a photo of Raffaello shaking the Pope's hand It appears to be a photo of Raphael O. shaking the Pope's hand while Anne looks on, you know, her gaze casts downwards and she's wearing a black veil.

It looks like a scene from the Godfather. And if that's not enough, Raphael O. takes Anne to the Bahamas for New Year's. He's pulling out all the stops to impress her and it it is working, and's head over heels in love. But Raphaelot is spending more money than he's making. So, he decides to find bigger investors. And what's bigger than the entourage of a former president? A few months later, an investor named Ron Berkel is sitting in a luxury hotel room in New York City.

Ron's in his early 50s with reddish-brown hair and a cleft chin. He grew up in Southern California and made his fortune buying and selling grocery chains like Ralph's and Food for Less. He runs a private investment firm called Yuccaipa and he's close friends with Bill Clinton who serves as an advisor to the firm. He's joined by an Italian businessman who's interested in making a very large donation to the Clinton Foundation.

Ron's found himself in this meeting by chance. He's doing a favor for Bill, and Ron is initially skeptical of Raphaelo. Like, who is this 26 year old, and what could he possibly have to say? But Ron is quickly won over by the charismatic Italian who lies and says he comes from a family of billionaires. He says they made their money in oil trading and diamond mining and are now investing in real estate. Raphael O tells Ron he's a CFO of the Vatican and that he has

the option to buy church properties before anyone else. So basically, he's a CFO of the Vatican, and that he has the option to buy church properties before anyone else. So basically, he's able to get real estate for a below market value and then can resell or develop them at a major profit. To be clear, none of this is true. But Ron believes Raphael O and is immediately intrigued. I feel like the statement,

I am the CFO of the Vatican is a very easily Googleable piece of information. I do guess that, you know, people were vouching for Raphael O. I mean, if Bill Clinton's like, meet this guy, then you're probably like, yeah, I mean, why would Bill set up a meeting with anyone who wasn't the CFO of the Vatican? Mm-hmm. Anyway, soon after the meeting, Ron and Raphaelos start a joint real estate venture named Fullyary Ukaiba Investments.

Ron proposes a three-year deal in which his firm will invest up to $105 million to buy church properties in America. $105 million is an insane amount of money, but Ron makes it clear that his team will have to approve which properties they buy and keep ownership of the real estate. Rafael O. eagerly agrees to the terms, and Ron gives him an initial operating budget of $5 million over three years. The money is supposed to get the company up and running, but Raphael O. uses it to pay back old investors, fund his lavish lifestyle,

and somehow make it look like he's actually the CFO of the Vatican. He's digging himself into a hole of biblical proportions, and things are about to move from sinful to criminal. And I feel like a... La-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da office on Park Avenue in New York. It's only been a few months since forming his joint venture with Ukaiba, and Raphael O is already making himself at home in the new office. This layout is impressive with Florida ceiling windows, and Raphael O has added flourishes of his own. Upon entry, guests are reportedly greeted by his receptionist, a nun in a full habit. Raphael O's really going over the top to make the space look like a legit place of business

for a high-powered Vatican official. Raphaelos reportedly even installs an alter in the office for visiting priests, and he allegedly keeps ecclesiastical garments on hand for the priests he works with. He wants him to appear more senior, and this is the quickest shortcut to making that happen. Raphael O. Phyllis' office with photos of himself and Anne, and a letter from the Vatican

that he claims grants him permission to work on their behalf. It's written in Italian, so presumably he's the only one there who can read it. Oh, and while all of this is playing out, Raphael O. is dealing with some family drama back in Italy. His father has been convicted of misappropriating more than $300,000 from a tourism company he'd been working with. His father denies any wrongdoing, but Raphaelos probably wants to help him out. Because around this time, he names his father

President of the Fully Area Group. Raffaello is riding high, until some of his early investors start asking him for their money back. Because until this point, he hasn't bought any church properties. They're just going to the highest bidder, and that isn't him. The only connection Raff Rafalo seems to actually have is the ability to get investors private Vatican tours or audiences with the Pope. He pretends these are arranged

through his high rank at the Vatican, but really, Rafalo is secretly paying a corrupt Vatican administrator to arrange everything. He also hires bodyguards to follow him everywhere, and he alleges that people are threatening him because of his ties to the Vatican. I will say, like, if you're concerned about being physically attacked

because of your ties to the Vatican, when their sexual abuse scandal continues to rage on, I don't know, maybe you should get punched in the face. I'm not against that. Yeah, well, another key piece to keeping up his Vatican image is tied to his friend Andrea, the nephew of Cardinal Sodano. In exchange for these connections,

Raphaelo makes Andrea VP of the Ukaipa joint venture, but he doesn't stop there. He also lets him invoice for what they're calling engineering services. It's unclear what these services actually are, but Andrea is raking in up to six figures a month for them. And in addition to paying off Andrea, Raphaelow decides to pay himself even more money.

He sets up several shell companies and pays them for consulting services that do not exist. And as if that isn't bad enough, he tells you Kaipa that he needs a boatload of money to open an office in Rome. You Kaipa agrees to pay, but Sachi, if you can believe it, Raffaello never actually opens an office. He just pockets the money. Raffaello's scheming is impressive, but someone from the Vatican is about to realize how they fit into his con, and they are not happy about it. About a year into Rafaelos joint venture with Ukaipa, he's relaxing and is a new apartment in the Olympic tower. There are white marble floors and modern furnishings, and it overlooks the historic St. Patrick's Cathedral

in Manhattan. The apartment also comes with a butler, cleaning service, and personal chef. And the monthly rent, $60,000. It's a drop in the bucket ever since Raphael formed the partnership with Ukaipa. Plus, he justifies the rent by hosting Vatican dignitaries who are in town on business. He also uses his influx of cash to shower and with luxury

vacations, private jets, yacht trips, and a lot of jewelry and watches. Sachi, a list of these items was later printed in a court document and I need you to read what it says. It says, one gold colored Rolex watch, one silver colored Rolex watch, one silver colored chain approximately 16 inches long with a cross pendant and blue and clear stone.

I mean, you can't just have one Rolex. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna get the gold one, you might as well get the silver one and then if you're gonna get the silver one, you need a silver chain with a cross pendant and blue and clear stones. Yeah, exactly. And actually, there are nine more pieces on that list, including a Louis Vuitton box.

Also, by this point, Raphaelos finally managed to buy a few church properties, including two former churches in Philadelphia and some vacant land outside of Chicago. Nothing's been flipped yet, so there's no money coming in, but businesses finally picking up. And just as it does, Raphael O. gets a letter from Cardinal Sodano. Sachi, would you mind reading an excerpt from this letter? Yeah, it says, dear Mr. Raphael O. Fullyary, I feel it is my duty to tell you how perturbed I am to hear that your company continues to occasionally present itself as having ties to the Vatican, due to the fact that my nephew,

Andrea, has agreed on some occasions to provide you with professional consulting services. I do not know how this distressing misunderstanding could have occurred, but it is necessary now to avoid such confusion in the future. I do therefore appeal to your sensibility to be careful with respect to this matter. Cordially, Angelo Cardinal Sudano. I would change my name if I got this letter. Well, even though the letter explicitly asks Raphael O to stop pretending he has connections to the Vatican, he acts like he never received it. Instead, he decides to take the next logical step in looking like a successful businessman by starting a charity.

A few months later, Anne and Raphael are a Nicaragua in the town of San Marcos. Anne's new movie, The Devil Wars Prada, has just hit theaters and it's close to grossing $100 million. But they're not here to promote her film. They're here to vaccinate children against hepatitis A. And recently joined the board of Raphael's new charity, The Fullyary Foundation, and he set a goal to vaccinate 380,000 children in the next two years. On this trip, they're vaccinating just 1,000 kids,

but maybe this is the start of Anne's Angelina Jolie era. Sachi, can you describe this publicity photo from their trip? Sure, it is Anne Hathaway holding the tiny hands of a little brown baby in Nicaragua, and she's smiling beatifically at her. It's real white savior, I gotta say. It is. I mean, I vaccinated zero children,

so I have no like to stand on here, but the optics of this, she's one with the people. Yeah. And is all in on Raphael and the foundation. But what she doesn't know is the Fullyary Foundation has no money and no ability to do anything past this one event. And even this event is being paid for with money Raphaelot took from Ukaiba.

But to Ann, Raphaelot is saving the world. She later says in an interview that quote, one of the most untowded afrodisiacs in the world is charity work. Seriously, you want a girl to be impressed, vaccinate some kids, build a house. I would like it on the record that I do not think charity work is an afro-dee-shack. I think it's a great thing to do.

I think everybody should do more of that. I'm not fucking anybody if he built a house. That's not enough. I mean, it is very clear that whatever Ann is being presented with by Raphael O, she is extremely down bad. She's down real bad, yeah. I mean, he's clearly extremely charming. But for a girl to say this on the record,

like she's sure that he rules, you know? She really thinks he is swell. Well, Raffaello's plan to use charity work to raise his profile is a huge success. Not only does he get praised for his generosity, it further promotes the idea that he and his company are a complete success. Just two months later, Bill Clinton is bringing Raffaello on stage to thank him for his efforts. Remember that event from the beginning of the episode, Sachi, I do? Well, Anne's beaming in a crowd that's all clapping

in praise of Raffaello. He's got everyone fooled. That is, until he hires someone who brings to light everything he's worked so hard to keep hidden. It's February 2007 and Carmella Santucci is sitting at her desk at the Fullyary group. At 37, she's a veteran of several hedge funds. She's just been hired as the chief of staff for the Fullyary Yukaipa group. Carmella was hesitant to take the job, but after hearing about all the high profile people

associated with the company, she decides to take the leap. Carmella doesn't know this, but she was hired by Raphaelto to appease accountants at UKIPa who have noticed some inconsistencies in their books. Unfortunately for him, Carmella is really good at her job.

And after only 72 hours at the company, she knows something is up. Reportedly, she's already concerned that Rafaela is delusional. I am also concerned that Rafaela is delusional, frankly, this doesn't seem like an unreasonable concern for her to have. Well, Carmela tries to stick it out, but after two weeks, she's at her wit's end. She doesn't understand how the business is financially viable. Everything seems completely mismanaged and their expenses are totally unjustified. They've only bought a handful of properties, but none of these properties have flipped,

so they're all just assets. Plus, the company is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on engineering reports and consultations that don't seem to exist. And over the past two years, their operating budget was over $10 million. That's more than twice what was supposed to be spent over all three years of the joint venture. And even with all this money, some employees are still complaining about not getting paid on time or being owed massive amounts in back pay. It makes no sense to her. It's interesting how it takes like an outsider sometimes in these stories to walk in and sort

of look at everything and be like, hey, this does not make any sense. There's no logic here. Yeah, I mean, it really just took one normal person 72 hours to be like, wait a second, none of this is real. Yeah. Well, Carmella is ready to leave, but she's not going quietly. Instead, she sits at her computer and types a long, fiery email to Raphaelot and Cece's a bunch of execs.

Her fingertips fly angrily over the keys. She's pissed anyone vouched for Raphael O when this company is clearly a disaster. She tells them how mismanaged everything is, then writes to Raphael O that quote, little by little, your web of lies revealed themselves to me. After clicking send, she stands up and loudly announces to the office, I quit. Carmella's email lands in Ron Berkel's mailbox, and what she reveals will crucify Rafael's business with no hope made a mistake. But her gerrymaguire level bursts of indignation prompts him to take a deeper look. And what Ron and his team find is not good.

Unlike Raphael, Ron really is a legit, high-powered entrepreneur who knows how to run a business. And Raffaello's misuse of funds is beyond outrageous. So aside from the luxury apartment, fake engineering reports, and misappropriating funds to his charity, Raffaello also spent company money on flowers, cosmetics, shopping trips to barnies, prada, and fendi, wine, expensive dinners, yacht rentals, dental care for his father, and medical care for Anne and his whole family. And my personal favorite is the high-end dog walker for Raffaello and Anne's brown Labrador as Marelda.

You Kipo wants Raffaello to pay them back for everything. By their calculations, Raffaello owes them at least $1.3 million. But when Ukaiba execs layout their demands to Raffaello, he denies everything. Raffaello emails Ron, saying that the so-called violations are a simple result of a little money that needs to go back into the right pot. Ah, yes, the old... I didn't lose $1.3 million. It's just a bookkeeping error. Yeah, it's nothing. I say that anytime I owe somebody $20. I mean, it's not, you know, sometimes it happens. Well, Ron doesn't think $1.3 million is a little amount of money.

So a few weeks later, Ukaipa writes to Rafaello to tell him he's fired and the partnership is being dissolved. And as wild as it sounds, Ron never hears back from Rafaello. About two weeks later, Ron and Ukaipa sue Rafaaello and the Fullyary Group in Delaware Court. Ukaipa's lawsuit wouldn't normally get so much media attention, but when you add in the Clintons and Anne Halfaway, the press and tabloids can't get enough. The Wall Street Journal runs an article headline, How Bill Clinton's Aid Facilitated a Messy Deal, and it's a complete disaster for the Clinton camp.

It calls a Clinton's judgment into question on the heels of Hillary's highly anticipated presidential run, but the damage is already done. Anne asks Raphael O. to meet her at the Grammar Sea Park Hotel in New York City. It's June 2008, and they've been on the rocks for months. Rafael O has fallen a long way from the charismatic businessman she fell in love with.

He's managed to pay Ron back, but he still owes tons of money to other investors and former employees. Meanwhile, Ann's star has skyrocketed. Now, she's outgrown a man who doesn't deserve her. So they meet for this final conversation, and they officially break up. A four-year relationship over.

God, she really put in the work. Four years? The day after their split, Ann goes on the view because she's in the middle of a press tour for her new movie Get Smart. When pushed to talk about herself, she says, My personality is very kind of, you know, I'm girlish, bubbly, silly, the whole thing,

and not today, I'm kind of sombre today. A few days after their breakup Ann calls Raphael O. from LA. He's in his parents' Trump Tower apartment where he's now living. And according to Vanity Fair, he asks Anne to come to his 30th birthday party on Capri.

But Anne says nothing. She reportedly tells him that he was the love of her life and that she'll always love him. Rafael claims it's the last time he and Anne ever speak. And just six hours later, his life will be changed forever. The US Attorney's Office has been watching him and they're finally ready to make their move. On the morning of June 24th, 2008,

15 federal agents enter Trump Tower and pull Raffaello from his bed at his parent's apartment. They handcuff him and bring him down to the federal courthouse. He's charged with five counts of money laundering, eight counts of wire fraud, and one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. He's held on a $21 million bail. Rafael can't pay it, so he's transferred

to Metropolitan Correctional Center awaiting trial. He literally goes from a penthouse to a tiny shared concrete cell. The US Attorney for the Southern District of New York has been investigating Raphael O. for months, even collected Anne's diaries as evidence. It's unclear whether she'd been working with the authorities to nab him.

And on top of what was unearthed in the U.K.P.A lawsuit, the U.S. Attorney's Office discovered all of Rafael O. Shell companies and his fake Italian office. They estimate the associated losses to be well over $12 million. And, ZACHI, one of the slimiest revelations from the court documents is that Rafael O.

scammed $28,000 from a priest who was working with orphans in the Philippines. You know, one day you're running the Vatican, and the next day you're ripping off a priest who works with orphans in the Philippines. Life comes at you fast. I know it's like crazy how he fooled people thinking back to Anne Hathaway's comments about like,

there's nothing sexier than a guy who helps people and you're like Yeah, he was given orphans babe. I mean Yeah, you got to watch out for people who are a little too helpful. I find Well three months after his arrest Raphael O pleads guilty Anne is busy promoting her new movie Rachel getting married Anne is busy promoting her new movie, Rachel Getting Married, which means she's getting a lot of questions about her acts, including from David Letterman, who grills her relentlessly. How long did you know the guy?

How long we dated for four years? Four years. And was there ever like, you know, stuff missing out of your purse? I love David Letterman. He's a really big jerk, but it is a little funny. I shouldn't laugh. I mean, she handles it well if you ask me.

I think so. Yeah. Well, Sachee, in October 2008, Raphael O's sentence to 54 months in prison. He also has to forfeit almost $2.5 million to the US government. Remember that list of jewelry gifted to Anne? Well, she has to give it all back to help pay what he owes.

It's like throwing salt on a wound. But Anne, still in the throes of her publicity tour, decides to laugh it off on SNL. I broke up with my Italian boyfriend and two weeks later he was sent to prison for fraud. Yeah! Yeah! I mean, we've all been there.

Am I right, ladies? At his sentencing, Raphael O'Chai's to explain himself. Sachi, can you read what he says? Yeah. He tells the judge, quote, I didn't start off with the intention of deceiving anyone. I started off with good intentions to run an honorable business and make everyone proud of me.

I have dishonored my family name and the church I love. I will never be able to wash away that stain, and I will have to live with it for the rest of my life. I mean, he started off with the intentions to be a fraud. He was lying from the beginning, it seems like, so this doesn't really feel accurate at all. Well, in 2012, after three and a half years, Raphaelot is released from prison and deported back to Rome. Today, as you know, Anne's fame has reached superstar heights.

She has a husband, two kids, and an Oscar. Raphaelot's other ex-girlfriend is a Bella or Sini is also living her best life. In 2009, she married a Belgian prince and is now a princess. Rafael Lowe lives in London with his family and runs a new business venture called Fullyary Energy. It's a petrol energy company.

He says he hasn't heard from Anne in 14 years, and he no longer goes to church every Sunday. Sachi, this story had a lot. It is really intense and also insane, just because he was able to reach this level of access. Like, I feel like out of a lot of the scammers we've talked about who've done whatever financial fraud kind of access. I feel like I've got a lot of the scammers we've talked about who've done whatever financial fraud kind of things. He had the most legitimacy, like he had freaking

Bill Clinton on his side. Yeah, I mean, it's another example of a scam that could have been pulled off if the lies were not so audacious and the financial crimes weren't so evil. He could still be living a very comfortable life. He might still be within halfway, which would be bad for everybody, including in halfway. So I guess I'm grateful, but it is a really bombastic scam. It happens so recently.

Yes. His scam was lying about Vatican and flipping properties. And to me, it's pretty funny that he got away with it for as long as he did in such a big way because it's just another case of, I mean, particularly Americans being like, don't understand it, won't question it seems legit. Italian accent. Here's a question.

Do you think Anne understood any portion of his scam or do you think she really was like, what the fuck is going on here? And now, thanks about their relationship and is so perplexed. I don't think she really knew or was involved. And I think she was really just like a girl in her early 20s who was like, oh, this relatively handsome Italian man

is sweeping me off my feet and he's so sophisticated in this and this and this. Yeah, I mean, also Anne Hathaway did grow up Catholic, so there's that. I don't think she knew, and I think it's probably very likely that she just, she didn't see it. I bet people around her saw it. Yeah, I mean, would he have kept going somehow if he wasn't caught? Probably.

You know, sooner or later, people would have realized like this guy isn't actually flipping any property. His ties to the Vatican are very loose. Like, would he have pivoted to a new type of scam? I'm like, I've left the Vatican, I'm doing this now. Like, I just don't know what his end game was. I think so, and I think he would have kept trying to date famous people. Well, I think the lesson here is,

if anyone is charitable and they're putting it in your face and letting you know how altruistic and good they are, they are lying to you. No one who's actually doing good in this world will make it their personality. Yeah, I think it is good to think of the difference between doing good and seeming good. Yes. is good to think of the difference between doing good and seeming good. Yes, and we often have stories of scam artists who want to seem good and they don't actually do any good. So if you're out there in the world and you're dating and you meet a guy and he says the he works in philanthropy, you've got to check does he do good or does he just want

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