Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Ally Lewber Talks Breaking the Cycle, Boundaries & the Bravo Blogger

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

This week, Scheana is joined by astrologer, reality TV personality, and fellow cat mom Ally Lewber. The two unpack Ally’s experience filming Netflix’s “Perfect Match” — from the surprising item production confiscated and potential match Jimmy’s “glow-up bangs,” to sharing her most intimate moments on camera and why she's hesitant to consider doing a dating show again. They also dive into the complicated reality of supporting friends caught in toxic relationship cycles, using the recent SLOMW fallout between Taylor Frankie Paul and Mikayla Matthews as a jumping-off point for a surprisingly raw and emotional conversation about boundaries, enabling, and what actually helps someone leave for good. Ally opens up about why she’s now grateful certain moments from her past relationship played out so publicly, the support system that helped her through it, and her honest reaction to seeing headlines about her ex’s baby news. Elsewhere, Scheana and Ally debate open relationships vs. throuples, whether they’d rather know WHEN or HOW they die, and why Brock once referred to Ally as a “Scientologist to the stars.” Plus, Scheana is not here for the Bravo blogger slander — in fact, she’s giving them their flowers this week. Tune in to find out why! Domestic Violence ResourcesNational Domestic Violence Hotline:  https://www.thehotline.org/Peace Over Violence:  https://www.peaceoverviolence.org/Live Your Dream:  https://www.liveyourdream.org/ Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guest: @allylewber Purchase your very own copy of the NYT Best-selling book/audiobook MY GOOD SIDE at www.mygoodsidebook.com!Episode Sponsors:Wake up with clearer skin, smoother hair, and cooler sleep. Use code GOODASGOLD for an extra 30% off at blissy.com/GOODASGOLD.Shop at REVOLVE.com/GOODASGOLD and use code GOODASGOLD for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartnerPlease note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. From Vanderpump rules to motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle. It's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Shea. I can glue nails, eyelashes. You can do it all. No, it was so annoying.

So, like, they're so dope, right? The cat eye. Yeah, they're cute. I do love the cat. You know, I don't know how you do anything with those. I play guitars. I couldn't. They're so cute.

Yeah. And I like the color. But I love cats. I'm so sad. I didn't like this. I know. It was the best. No, literally, I just got these done the day before my birthday.

Oh my God. Get this. So both of my thumbs broke and I had to go back in. When you go to the nail salon, if you put chat GPT on just like live recording, it'll translate everything for you. Shut up. Yeah. Get this. As I go in to get these two fixed, the woman who did them wasn't there that day, the ladies

were talking mad shit about her. You're kidding. No, they were like, what is this? It's like concrete under. It's so thick, but then it's so thin and they break and they this and that and da-da-da-da-da-da. Then they start talking about that I was a good tipper. And they were like, yeah, last time, like she left $20. If everyone left $20, da-da-da-da.

But get this. The time before that, the one who did a bad job on my nails. Yeah. She was like, this woman, she's rich, but she doesn't pay a lot. And I'm like, bitch. Oh, my God. I pay over 20% always. I am dead. I know what my friends tip when they go in. And I do double that. This is crazy. No, literally. Wait, how did you like figure this out? Did you just like get the idea of you or did it accidentally happen? One of my friends is dating a man from another country. And whenever he's on his business calls, she just started doing that. And I was like, we got to do that at the nails one. Oh, I'm so doing that. Also, though, I don't know if I want to know. I wanted to know. Especially they're doing my feet. Okay. That's hilarious.

Oh my gosh. That's actually so funny. That's like tea though. Literally. We're also like finding little cool ways we can use chat. And what's so funny is my chat, which I assume everyone's chat, but like she has a personality. She goes, oh, we're in full nail drama tea right now. She's like, yeah.

And she's like going to get used to like, okay, it's that time of the month again. She said she goes, it's like a crime scene investigation. and they're trying to figure out how your nails are so thick under, but how they broke in the same spot. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. And then she'll start to learn, like, make sure like this, you don't go to this one. Remember, go to her?

We don't like that one. I know. That's so funny. I need to trade my chat GPT better. I'm getting there. Yeah. I have like, I have to like give personality back. You know what I'm like?

Oh my God. But then I have like 20 different personalities. So like today we're feeling this. She's like, I can keep up. We're going to get into those personalities today on chenanigans. Yay. I'm joined by one of my. favorite people, my personal astrologer, fellow cat mom, and genuinely one of the sweetest souls. I know.

Ali Lubber, how you doing? Hi, I'm good. Good. You're fun to be back. I know. Under better circumstances. I miss you. I miss you too. But it's funny because I don't think Summer has even realized that you've moved yet. She doesn't. She's still seen you so often. She's seen me like, we try to make it kind of the same. And then when I say by, I'm like, bye, see you soon. See you soon. I like just don't even mention Charleston. She thinks I I still live in Hollywood. I love it. I have to say litter robot is probably happy for the Netflix shout out. Thank you for hooking it up. I know. Okay. And obviously, of course, they don't show. Like, I didn't just start talking about cat litter. Like, you know, we have a long conversation and the cat box came up somehow. And then I brought it. But I mean, I do love a little robot. I just got a second one for all of my cats. They're the best. Yeah. Like, if you have cats,

it's just, especially more than one. Like, yeah. Well, and I'm like, I need one downstairs and upstairs. Yep. Because Penny. Do you have one downstairs? No. Okay. Penny only, because I've only had the two cats. So I've just the one robot has been fine.

Now you need. But Penny only comes upstairs to use the litter robot. She didn't even notice for a week that there were kittens upstairs. I've never seen Penny Lane upstairs ever. No. But yesterday I caught her. Smitten around the room because Summer brought her up to introduce them. And she was like, whoa.

Where did these come from? Penny's like cute. Back to my fireplace I go. I brought them home. She was at her fireplace, didn't even notice them. They squeaked. She didn't even notice. She was just like, I'm...

Like, whatever. This is my corner of the house and you go to yours. Yeah, exactly. But Salem loves them. Yeah, he's been so good with them. So that's been nice. They're the cutest things in the world. They're so cute.

I like, if I lived here, I'd maybe take one. No. My mom's like, wait, maybe I should have taken one. Because I'm like, I can't fully separate these three. So I was like, mom, if you want another, you get one. I get two. You have a young cat. This could work.

But they're all, they, and also you do have like the space and Penny Lane and see them are getting older. So it's like, I feel like it's a good five, you know, that's what my mom has. Exactly. She reached out to me. She's like, it's nice to know someone else who has five cats. We're literally the crazy cat ladies. I know. And you know what?

I'm okay with it. I'm so okay with it. I'm here for it. But it is week two now starting to get a little more chaotic. Yeah. Broken out of the room. They've come down the stairs. The stairs thing.

Yeah. Yeah, kittens are, and then when they get the zoomies and like their kittens are a lot. Yeah, but I mean, they have, okay, compared to when I brought Penny home and she was by herself, I was in a studio apartment, they basically have the same amount of space between Summer's playroom, the Jack and Jill bathroom and Summer's bedroom. Yes. I'm like, you're going to live here for a little bit. You know, we did the same thing because I remember us talking. You got Penny Lane first. Yeah.

I had Banks first, which is my tabby tiger. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, he needs a friend. and then got Bodie, which is the black cat. I know. Like the same thing. And I was in a studio. It's crazy.

A white one of flame point and a gray one. Yes. I love the flame point. It's the flame point. Is that what is? He is the cuddliest little mango. Oh, I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with all of them.

I know. But mango, like, he knows. Mango is like on you. Yeah. Like chilling with you. The best. So. Like 10 minutes of cats.

See, this is me on the freaking perfect match. I don't know what I'm going to say. And today's episode will be titled Cat. And litter robots. Just cats. Cats. You're like, oh, I love Jersey boys and cats. And you're like, no, the musical.

Oh, my God. I'm like, poor Nick. We're friends. I love Nick. Yeah. How does it feel to be back on reality TV? It's fun. I think I was like telling my friends.

Because a lot of people ask, oh, the cameras. Is it weird in front of the camera? Like the worst part is afterwards and you're like, what did I do? What did I say? And then you have to wait months for it to come out. Like that's the anxiety part. But now that it's like here, I'm like, okay, what's done is done? And I mean, you're on Netflix, the perfect match, huge show, huge platform.

I want to get into all of that and more because I just, as you know, when I picked you up this morning, I was finishing episode five. And you're like, why are you doing this to me? I can't watch. But before we get into the Jimmy of it all, how? How has it been being back in L.A.? Amazing. I think that I'm loving Charleston, but L.A. just, I was here for eight and a half years. So to always just feel like home to me, I've always, I'm such an L.A. person.

I love it. I'll never say anything bad about it. So like whenever I'm here, it does just feel like home. So I don't really feel like I'm away. I don't know. Does Charleston just feel like an extended vacation? Okay. Weirdly, like kind of, I've also only been there for months. Yeah. And I've been so busy. Like, I've been here. Like we had Coachella and then there's just been like little things. So I feel like I haven't fully gotten into my own routine.

Yeah. But I'm loving my new part. You do have to come visit this summer. But like I have my own little friends and it's really fun. And now that the weather is, the weather's amazing. And like everyone's always on the water, like on a boat. Like the vibes are there. And I do love my apartment.

So I'm still decorating, which you know I love to do. But yeah, it's always nice to be back in LA. Yeah. Yeah. And see everyone. And speaking of being on a boat, we saw you recently. on Southern hospitality. I literally was like, where are we going with this?

What was I on the boat? I forgot about that. Yes. A little pirate surprise birthday. And she's like, I wanted a private thing. That was hilarious. The opposite of what she wanted. That is so funny.

Oh my gosh. So she hates cats. Which is like always so funny. So she's never even bed in my apartment. Is that why she didn't come over the other day? Yes. Joe came over to work out with Brock. Yeah.

And she didn't come. No, 100%. And she won't tell you that. But like, yes. And like, she won't come to mine. And if she does, I have to like promise that they're like locked in a room. But she really has. And it's not even like she hates them.

Like she has actually like a phobia. Something happened to her when she was younger with cats. So like it's not even just like, oh, I don't like them. It's like a deep like thing. Uh-huh. So. See, I just thought she was like getting glam and getting ready and didn't have time to come over. But she's like, how many cats are there?

Not even. Not even just Penning Lane Salem. Now there's no, five cats. She wouldn't go even on your block. Oh my gosh. Right? So funny. She was so funny.

in last night's episode. I haven't watched it. I just saw clips. But she was like, they're like at, I think they're in Dominican Republic. And there was a straight cat and Joe like walked over to it. And Mattie's like, Joe, don't be nice to it. I'll keep coming around. It's so funny. I don't know if I'm fully caught up or if I'm one episode behind. I'm in the DR with them right now. Oh, you are? I think you're caught up. Yeah. So I think I am caught up. And I just saw right before this that my friend, it's me singing at Zach Dax. I don't think it's like a whole thing. It's probably just like a clip again. But it's, there's a few seconds of me singing at like, so Leva owns Zachary Dacqueries. And it's like a cute little daffery shop will go when you come.

It's so cute. Yeah. I know. I was supposed to be going this weekend, but that's right. I know. So my cousin will still be there on Friday. They'll be at Republic. Which one?

Oh, wait, tomorrow. Oh, my gosh. Wait, I get back tomorrow. Yeah. They'll be at Republic tomorrow night because it's her bachelorette party. Wait, I have. I'll text Maddie and Joe and she, like, yeah. Yeah.

No, Maddie knows. Maddie set up the table. Michaels is going to be there. Like, everything's good to go for them. But Summer has her field trip with her preschool. It's like an all school field trip. And then after that, at her new school that she'll go to for kindergarten, they also have a huge event.

So I'm like, okay. Yeah, it's mom's weekend. I can't miss these things. You know, it's her last field trip with her school and then the first event with her new one. I have to share like when Summer did her graduate or what is it graduation? The graduation song. She did her graduation song. I melted. It was the cutest thing I've ever seen. We record it. I might need to pop that video in here

for those watching on YouTube because she's so caught. She has your like natural like confidence though. Like she'll just like here I go and just like perform. And I'm like, yes. I mean, obviously I wish you were at my birthday party. But that little girl on stage. I know. I saw the videos and I was like, she's a natural like not shy or anything. No. And she's gotten. better at being shy, like on stage. And she's grown so much, even from book tour last year. She was on stage with me in Nashville. And I forget where else. She's going to be like a natural by, like, I mean, she already is, but like, she's going to Broadway. I'm like, that's that I'm talking about. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. I'm okay with that. Jimmy, that's what I mean.

But it was so cute when she came out on stage with me for book tour. She had the mic a little bit, but she was very shy. Like she'd sing good as gold a tiny bit, but she was like clenched to my leg. And I mean, I didn't force her out on stage. She wanted to come out with me. She signed every single book. That's why stop. Yes. In Nashville.

Wait, that's so cute. It was like maybe 50 people at that meet and greet. It took like two hours. She loves it. Oh my gosh. Wait, that's so funny. And I'm like, okay, so that's the next city, wherever we went after that, I was like, okay, we'll just bring her in for the last like five to ten people.

Oh, my God. And she'll think it's everyone because it took so long. But it was so cute. That's so cute. And everyone in Nashville got their book signed. by Summer Moon. I can't wait. Like, I don't even know if they teach cursive anymore. But like, I don't think they do. She'll be like, I've got this guys. Yeah. I signed autographs. No, it was just like the growth from book tour to my birthday. She was like, okay, so I'm going to

listen with you. And then we're going to do good as gold. And then I'm going to do golden. And I was like, okay, queen. Whatever you want to do. Oh my gosh. And she did all three. But that's why like we, I just feel like we're literally friends. Because like when I'm over, we just like watch like wicked and Wizard of Oz and just like, I'm like, go on summer perform. No, she loves you. Like, she definitely has her favorites of my friends and you're in the group just so you know. Oh, that just made my day. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. I love that. Okay. So I do have so many questions for you. I'm going to sip a little tea before we spill it and we'll be right back. Love. Okay. So I have to say now that I am fully in my 40s, anything that is anti-aging, I mean sign

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slash good as gold. That's B-L-I-S-S-Y.com slash good as gold and use code good as gold to get an additional 30% off. Your skin and hair will thank you. Okay, so when you made the move to Charleston, of course, you know, Bravo fans ran with stories about you joining all the shows out there and whatnot, saying that you only moved there to get on the show. And, I mean, of course, me as one of your closest friends knows your journey with all of that. But when you see untrue things shared about you and people make, you know, just like certain proclamations about your character or your motivations and whatnot, how does that make you feel? Have you gotten used to it yet? Are you able to shake it off? I think, yeah, that stuff's hard, especially when I feel like it becomes like a thing or like more people like, you know, because if some people say it and it's like, okay, whatever, it's just that's not true and whatever.

But then like more people say it and then now it's like a whole thing. And then like, damn, because I wonder if I should have just like addressed it more or said something at the beginning to almost like nip it before it became a thing. I don't know. I definitely doesn't make me like feel good yeah but I am getting just people online or is it people in Charleston like oh no it's just online yeah but I'm sure who knows I mean they do I will say that's a small town and people are really like gossipy and like it's just a small it's everyone's gossipy right but it's like small town gossipy so it's like it does word just travel so much quicker you know did you learn out the hard way I've been warned I've been like I haven't like luckily not yet like knock on

would, but like I do, I can just see that the way that it moves around me. And it makes me like, oh, like, you know, in LA, I feel like you have, it is small in a way, but like no one really, it's like, whatever, you know, but yeah, it hurts a little. But I am like, okay, whatever. Like, I just have to remind myself, like, honestly, I need to stop reading the comments, but it's so hard because you want to also, I'm not just like, I'm like, I want to engage and talk to people too. And, but it is hard when you see things, you're like, hey, how do you do it? Give me a better. If you respond to like the first 20, usually those are like positive ones.

And then it's like when you go down the rabbit hole, that's when the haters kind of come in. So like at the first negative one I see, I'm like, mm, okay, I'm done. Yeah. And I'm like, whatever, I go on with my day. Yeah. No, that's so true, though. It's like just spend a little time there, but not a lot. Yeah.

And then get out. Get in and get out. Yeah. But it's like what people don't know. Like you actually have family in Charleston. These are genuinely your real friends as well. Yes, exactly. So it makes sense.

Maddie and, like, you know, and Maddie and Joe and I have been friends for a while. And we met through James and, like, your friends with them. They're like best friends with my best friends here, Jada and Marley. So it's like, that was natural. But besides that, I also do have family and I am there a lot. And so it's more natural. And the whole reason I loved El, I was like, I really did. Just need a minute.

You did. And yes. And I'm 30. I just turned 30. I was like, let's just shake up my life. I know. I'm like, I need to change, like a new era. And so, and I don't regret it.

Like, I'm enjoying it. And I do think change is scary but fun. So, yeah. And isn't this a whole part of your like Saturn return? You're at that age. Yeah. Can you explain a little about what that is? Well, Saturn returns.

Yeah. They bring you into your 30s, basically. So it can happen around like 27, 28, depending on your chart. And Saturn is the planet of lessons and discipline and maturity growing up. So a Saturn return is basically like real adulting. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people, naturally, we kind of fear Saturn because again, we're not, we're humans and we don't like to change, but we must. And so Saturn is here to kind of be like the disciplinary and like, okay, is this really the relationship you need to be in? Is this really where you want to be living? Is this the job that you want? It's going to ask us those serious questions. And so that's the thing Saturn returns do not need to be feared. We should be like moving and working with Saturn and like taking risks because then Saturn rewards us. Yeah. And we'll be like, okay, cool, you did the hard work and now we can kind of float.

Love that. Yeah. There's a full moon this weekend. No, there's a new moon. A new moon. A new moon? A new... In tourists. Yes. So what does that mean a new moon in tourists? Is it a full moon, but it's a new moon? So, you know, I love you so much. You know how there's like, okay, there's the cycles of the moon. Yeah. And so a full moon is when we can see the moon. So a full moon is when she's at her peak. She's full. And she's... witchy and bright. We're very more, we're more in touch with our emotions during the full moon. It's a peak moment. But new moons are actually when there's no moon at all in the sky. Oh. Yeah. And so it's actually darker, but it's like the fresh start, like the moon cycle's about to begin again. And so new moons are my favorite because, you know, full moons are more like take a bath, feel your emotions. New moons are like manifest, set intentions, new beginnings.

It's like the start of a new cycle. Okay. So, and it's in Taurus. So it's, your sign. Right. Yeah. So what should all of us who are having birthdays right now, fellow Taurus, do and avoid doing for this new moon? New moons, there's really no avoiding except I would say like there's not really like a don't do that. I would just say at a lone time to really be honest with yourself of like, what do I want to set intentions for right now? Like Taurus is all about work and play. And so it's like it's very active. It's like and body. It's very like how can I like, nurture myself and take care of my body, but also work and do the things that I meant to do. It's very productive, you know, it's an earth sign, very lavish. So I always say like New Moon

and Taurus, like manifest money. Like it's a great new moon to work with in terms of finances and money and work. Okay. Love that for me. Yes. And all of my fellow tourists is out there. Yes. Love TORC. Okay. So moving on. You started single a year and a half ago. TBD if you still are. Yes. So now with dating, do you like to get to know someone before finding out their astrological sign and birth chart? I've always said yes.

Okay. It's easy for me to say that. I think I, astrology is just such a like second language to me. So like even if I was on a date with someone, I'm going to talk about it. I mean, you see it in the show. It's like, I can't help it. And it's kind of just a nice, you know, even for anyone, I think when they're, on dates. It's so easy to be like, well, let's just talk about astrology, right? But like,

that's so different versus let me get your birth time. Let me see your entire bird chart. Let me do our sinistry. Let's look at the aspects. Like that should happen later. Yeah. I believe we're all compatible in our own ways and in different ways. Like there's charts of people who are amazing astrology together. And then it's there's no, sometimes you need the tension to work and to build and to grow. So anyway, long story short, yeah, I think go on the date. Get deeper. and do it later as a guide or a tool. If you like someone, you know, and the energy is there, you're going to have chemistry. You're going to have compatibility.

So astrology is just there to be like to help validate it, explain it. And then, okay, where are we going to be really good together and where are maybe some areas that we can like, will have to be. Yeah. Prepared for. Because do you feel like knowing that ahead of time would kind of lead you to put them in a box too quickly? Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. Not necessarily help you understand them better. Exactly. And like, that's why I love astrology is that it doesn't, none of us are in a box. We all have every sign in our chart. We're always getting activated in different ways. So it's like astrology is not to put you in a box at all. Yeah.

Like when you tell me, you're like, oh, yeah, you're Saturn's in your 10th house and you're this. And I'm like, I don't know what any of that means, but I love when you say it. I can't help it. I know. I'm like, I'm a scientist. Just kidding. Yeah. But like it is.

Do you remember? I can't help it. I can't. I think we were with Elaine. Oh my gosh. And she was like, wait. So Ali's a Scientologist. I was like, no.

Brock kept calling me. And like Brock. And he's like, we were at Coachella and I think a fan came up. Yes. And somehow got talking about any, or not a fan. Maybe I don't know, a friend or something. And he's like, yeah, she does Scientology. I'm like, Brock, you can't be telling me.

And he's like, no, like she reads like the stars and the, you know, like that. He's like, I think maybe Elaine's friend was like, yeah, she's like a therapist, but for the stars. Yes. That's iconic. I love that. A therapist. I do not think I'm a therapist at all.

that's like, even in my readings, there's like, you know, there's terms and conditions that I like. A psychologist for the stars. Psychologists for the stars. That was so funny. It's for self-love and understanding yourself in the world. Yeah. So the first five episodes are out of perfect match. You definitely put yourself out there in a way that you have not done before.

As your friend, I just want to say, I am so proud of you for just completely putting yourself out there, being vulnerable. You've only ever really been on reality TV as more of a. friend of as someone else's girlfriend. And here you are the main character. Like, you are the star of this show. How is that? And that's also coming from people at the network, okay? Because what I've been told is Ali is the star.

Oh my gosh. Well, they're just saying. They're being nice. But it's true. You are, okay, fine. You're one of the stars. There are others. But you're my star.

Thank you. How does it feel really being like front and center and focus on you? not just you being someone else's friend or girlfriend. Yeah. No, it's definitely, I'm still because they just came out this week. So it's an adjustment. I'm not comfortable.

Like, I think the show is so, like a dating show too is so different because we had like a call time or a schedule. I mean, they film your life. Yeah. See, I'm still like your life.

Like I was, but like, yeah, but it is different because you're always being filmed all of the time in the bedrooms. You never know also like when. We saw you in the bedroom. Yeah. Sorry, Mom. My God.

But yeah, it's just and you do, and you do this anyway. And I think I do too even, but you do just, it's not really you forget the cameras are there, but you're just like living. And then I think watching yourself go on dates. No, that's like, no. That's so scary. Like dating's already scary. And then you have to like see how it goes.

Uh-huh. And I'm like, ooh, Ali. Like everything I say, I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God. Shut up. Shut up. Like it's really hard to watch. But.

I feel like we're. always our biggest critic because me watching it, I have seen you at every stage. I've seen you at your best, your worst, everything in between glasses on Allie at Coachella. My girl, you look a little drunk, glasses on. But like, watching you on this, it's just, it's so cute and it's lighthearted. And you're just being yourself, like genuinely. And that's what I love watching this side of you is because like this is you. I know. That's even like all of my, you and all my friends are saying, well, it was you. My God. You know, and it's like you leave a function and you're like that didn't go well. Like I feel like that was just like that show. I'm like oversharing and like.

And also I know you're like me where in the back of your mind is what's my mom going to think about this? Oh my God. My mom's going to watch this. Is my mom going to call me? Is my mom going to hate me? Is my is my mom going to be disappointed? Exactly. And that's what I had to tell you the other day. I'm like, look, it was the night before or the night it was coming out. Yeah. And you called me and I was just like, we got to get out of our heads about our mom. Love our moms. They're amazing. Yeah.

They raised great girls. But at the end of the day, they raised us to be independent women. Both of ours really did. Yeah. Exactly. And we have to make our own decisions and we have to not worry about that voice in the back of our head of what's my mom going to think. Yes.

Because then I think for me, and this is no offense to my mom, I love her. But I feel like that is something that has. held me back sometimes where I may want to go off on someone, but I'm like, oh, no, my mom might get upset with me if I do that. And so then it's like, I have held back from being 100% myself at times because I'm worried, what will my mom think? And you and I was so similar in that. Not regret, but like after Vanderpump, like, I do feel like there were times where I was a little too cautious or pleading things safer in my head. And no regrets because, you know, I don't think that I'm, I was myself on there too. But, you know, we all have like,

different sides of us. But yeah, that was something going in where, and you even helped me and you were like, just be yourself and have fun. And it definitely did. Don't think about your mom when you're making out with hot boys. I definitely wasn't. No, definitely like did leave mom back here in America for that part. And I mean, honestly, like from what we've seen in the most recent episode, episode five, we have two more that drop next week and then what the finale after. So obviously, we see you in an intimate position. But like, it wasn't that. that crazy. You know, I think it was still pretty PG. Yes.

13, I guess. But. So far. Yeah. See what happened. I don't remember. I don't know. And that's like just because there was so much stuff that happened that it's like, I didn't remember half those conversations because it's like we talked for so long. Yeah. And, you know. And they edit it down to so little. And also like always joking. And that's the thing too. I'm like, oh, they don't show me like talking and then being like, I'm kidding. Yeah. No, I'm not. But you like, I'm kidding. I want him to love me. Does he love me? Yeah. I'm like, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Right. It's like, God, Allie. Jesus. But then Jimmy says, I love you. I didn't remember that. Yeah, I know. I was like, oh my God, Jimmy, you do feel that way about me? I'm your favorite person?

I'm your favorite. Is there an alcohol limit on that show? We did. Yeah, we, they would. Trying to like pace you or it's like two drinks an hour. Yeah, it was more of like a pace. And I think they would even like close the, it would like, oh, it wasn't open all day. It didn't even open until, you know.

But, and then they would open and close it and open and close it. But I remember like the first night, I think that was the night I definitely was like the most drunk. I think everyone was. We were all nervous. And also they like only had tequila and you know I cannot drink tequila. Yeah. I was wondering what's in all your beer cups. Like what was your drink? Then they got wine for me. Okay. I was like, wait, can we get wine? But yeah, like the next morning we're all like hungover. And like but and we just met. This was the second day. But like we're all feel like we're already all best friends. And Yemen's like, oh no, you're like this sober too. I'm like, yeah. So it's been about, what, two years since you filmed Vanderpump Rules, which it's crazy.

Time flies. Yeah. But I do love people getting to see a different side of you on this show. But having been on a show like Vanderpump Rules and then just around Southern hospitality and whatnot, having cameras follow you into the bedroom and just being like all. around like flies on the wall. What was the craziest thing about that experience for you? Just yeah, I will and I don't feel like I ever had privacy and not like besides the cameras, but even just the fact the craziest part is you got to go in there with a guy that you just met. And it's like, okay, like that was fun. And did you really sleep with a pillow in between you guys

the first night? No. No. I don't think I was joking. I was joking. Were you familiar with any of the guys or the girls before going into it? Yeah, I hadn't watched any of those shows. I know. I haven't seen like dating shows and except like a few, you know, like the Bachelor and some Love Island. Yeah. But like, yeah. But none of them were on this.

It was all like, love is blind, too hot to handle. Yes. Yes. And I can't watch this because I'm like, I don't know how those people do that, you know? Right. I'd be so weird and uncomfortable. Married at first sight. Crazy.

Yeah. What do we think of the Ozzy guy? What's his name Dave? Dave. Yeah. He is a. teddy bear like he's the sweetest i feel like every time i would see him i was just like happy everyone in the house was with him because he's just so funny and sweet so yeah he was great yeah they have the best

energy down under i actually was telling him a lot about brock and i was telling brock yesterday about dave yeah so i made brock watch some of it they build the they do both do like construction things like he said he was going to build me a caddieo and i'm like you guys would be best friends yeah i love that does he live in australia or does he live here he lives in australia okay yeah I'll have to go for that. Yeah. I know. I want to go with you guys. Yeah.

And so that'll be fun. Okay. We might be going to summer. We'll let you know. Mm-hmm. So you didn't know Jimmy from love is blind. I didn't know Jimmy from Love is blind. I, because he told me like, so that was what I was going to say is like the being in the,

you never have privacy. The cameras are there, but then you also have this person that's just with you. So you're just like talking to them the whole time. So I think the hardest part was I never, I felt like I never really had a minute. Also, they take like you don't have, this is the craziest part. The first. night, this happened to Marissa too. So like the first night, I get in bed and like, I have my routine, you know, and I pull out my Kindle. And I'm like, I have to read a few pages to like fall asleep.

By Jimmy. And they come in and they take my Kendall away. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, please. Like, I already don't have a phone. We have no, we don't have a phone. We have no, we don't have TVs. Wow. It's literally just like, silence. Silence. And they took my candle. And then in the morning, Marissa was like, no, I crashed out over that too. I was like, that's hilarious. But yeah, so it's really, you're always with someone. There's always you never had a, I felt like I never had a moment to really sit and actually process like my feelings either, which is like the craziest part. Because watching it back, I'm like, I just remember feeling so confused.

Like I would, I'm like, I don't know what I really am feeling. Yeah. You kind of just figure it out. When you guys are filming, do you have people with the big cameras or is it all just cameras planted everywhere? Like for the closer conversations? The big ones. Okay.

They had a lot of camera crew. Yeah. But then like the little ones. And I think that was maybe where, because the big ones, you know, you're like, okay. But you know you're filming a scene. You know you're filming a scene. But they are like, they're like good. Like they'll like be far away.

Like there were moments where I did not know that that was even. I didn't even know that they were. You know what I mean. But you're wearing a mic. But you're wearing a mic all the time. I know. I know. And we would be like, can we please take them off?

We want to swim. Yeah. Then they'd have to bring the boom mics out. But you do get used to it. And it was every day for like a month. So it's like it was just like whatever. But yeah. Well, I've loved watching it.

Do you think that you'll lean into this Netflix dating show direction a little more? Like if you got asked to do another show, obviously we don't know how this season ends. Yeah. If you were, say it doesn't work out with your match and you were asked to do another show like this, would you? I really don't. It's hard because you know that I'm like, I always am like never say never. and I'd have to see where I'm at in life and how I feel. But like the dating show style is just, you know, there's like people that are just like made.

Like I feel like everyone else on the show like, and they're also good at like talking. This is what they've done. Yeah, true. Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't know. It's just like vulnerable. And I do think like I would prefer I'm more of a dater privately.

Yeah. Do you have any favorite moments from the season? then and any moments that you were really dreading watching back that you did remember. I was nervous to watch the first night just because like the nerves kind of too of like just I remember feeling nervous that night. It all just, I like just forget so much that happened because it was a while ago too. I don't think there's anything I'm really dreading. Maybe like a few more things that come up later.

Anything you were excited to watch back? Yeah. I mean, I am excited actually to for some things at the end too. Yeah. But I can't say it. But the girly moments, like, and they don't show those. Like, the girl, we would always, like, just have little, like, kiki sessions in the morning and chat and be, like, do little dances and have fun, like TikToks. But do you keep in touch with that of the girls? All of them. But Allison and I are probably the closest. Yeah. Yeah. Because we all just don't

live, I mean, I don't, I love how I keep forgetting that I don't live here anymore either. But her name is Ali. She went to Belmont, too. We both matched with Jimmy's. She lives in Hollywood. We just have a lot of little, so we're, she's. She's so cool. She sings. She's an amazing singer. Yeah. Like Christina Aguilera voice. Like she's like really good. She does have that Christina vibe. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So her. Okay. Yeah. Love that. All right. I want you to meet her. You haven't met her yet. No, I haven't met any of them yet. Yeah. And I, court would love her. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Love that. All right. We're going to take a quick break and then be back with some more stuff. All right. And as the seasons are changing, you know, so does your wardrobe. You got to to get with whatever trends there are, the weather, depending on where you live, you know, it's starting to get hot. So whenever I'm looking for something new, I go on Revolve. And that is whether I have a last minute dinner, a red carpet event, a girls night, just need something new. I don't know, like a bridal shower or something. Revolve has so many options,

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this glow up needs to be studied. Yeah. Okay. So he gave himself bangs. That is a glow up. And it makes sense because he was like traumatized after like not traumatized. But he was like he went through it on love is blind. So that's kind of funny. It is like he should have made a cat. He should have said, like, I got things. Did his voice get him through Love is blind? Because he's got a good voice. His voice is sexy. But if this guy walked in, I want to say walked into the villa, but like if he showed

up at perfect match, would you have been like him? I honestly, because I wanted to talk to everyone anyway. And I am such an energy person. I actually do think I still would have liked him. Yeah. Because he's cute. He was always cute. But now he was like hot.

But he had to glow up for sure. For sure. But yeah, his energy is good and he's funny. So I don't know. I have no idea how that. Has he ever picked you up like Hashim did? Yeah. Did he feel like, oh, okay, if he did that, I got to do that. Did I say that? You just said in episode five, you're like, well, Jimmy doesn't pick me up like that. No way. I forgot. See, some of it I have to just like run away in a different room and be like, la la la la. I can't watch that. Okay, moving on to more reality TV. Do you watch or? keep up with Secret Lives and Mormon Wives? No, I only saw the first season. But I know from what I see online. Yeah. So there's been a really emotional, messy public fallout between Taylor, Frankie, Paul, and Michaela Matthews.

So for anyone and you who hasn't been following it, Michaela recently shared that she's taken a step back from her friendship with Taylor after years of watching repeated toxic cycles and emotional chaos play out. So she basically says that she reached a point where, trying to support Taylor was more of a enabling feeling, like, of that type of behavior. And for her own mental health, she needed to set boundaries, create some distance. And she even said that she doesn't feel comfortable filming together with Taylor unless she's in a healthier headspace.

Then Taylor goes and responds publicly saying she felt abandoned and humiliated by people she considered close friends during one of the darkest moments of her life. And then it's turned into this whole, like, huge online debate where fans are literally literally picking sides. Honestly, I think this conversation is a lot more nuance than people are making out to be because being friends with someone who's been in a toxic relationship cycle. I know, I think the whole time I've seen this film before. It is.

You know, it's hard. And obviously, you can relate to this because you were in one of those toxic cycles. And me as your friend, I always wanted to stay supported. I never wanted you to feel isolated. I didn't want you to feel like you couldn't come to me when things got bad because I know that I was your person that you would call. Yeah. But it's like you also needed to step out of that relationship for yourself. I could tell you every day and night, leave him, leave him, leave him.

You have to make that decision. I'm not going to go in and kidnap you. Yes. So with this situation, it's like, you know, after years of watching someone repeat the same painful cycle over and over. I can understand why Michaela eventually reached a point where she needed boundaries too. Because honestly, if you would have stayed after the arrest and after all of the things that continued to happen, it would have been very hard to remain supportive. But you got out when you did.

And I'm so thankful for that. Me too. I'm thankful for you. And you helped me a lot to be like, this is a cycle and like, explain. all of that. And it's like, yeah. And I know for you, it was hard because, you know, then you guys break up. But then you're like, oh, I miss him and I want to check on the dog. And I had to remind you. It's not your dog. It's not even his dog. It's not even his dog. It's for Cal's dog. Like, get over the dog. I know. Now it is. But you would have to say that from. Yeah. I'm like,

you were so over it. You were like, Shael's dog. Get over it. I know. I know. You're like, can you just check his Instagram? I'm like, no, I'm not doing that. Block him. Delete his number. And I can't imagine because I haven't been in that type of relationship and cycle before. I can't imagine how difficult that was. And I just want to point out that I am so proud of you for getting out of that because I know it wasn't easy. And I was looking at it from two perspectives. One, where I'm talking to your mom. Because now that I'm a mom of an only child and a daughter, I was just like, I make it emotional.

I know. I was just seeing myself, like, as Summer's mom later in life, and I was like, not to my own horn, but I was so thankful that you had me and for your mom because I'm like, I would truly hope that if Summer ever got put in that position one day, that she has a friend who is going to be supportive, but also honest. Yes. And communicate with your mom. When you weren't answering your mom, she knew she can call me and I would be right there.

I know. I made you give me your location. when James tried to say she can't have it and he was so controlling. I'm like, no, fuck you. This is a safety thing. No, truly. So it did start to hit closer to home when I would, and when we were at Coachella and you're like, just think of me like, I'm summer.

I'm your daughter. And I was like, oh my God. Like this could be summer one day. And she's going to, she has and will have at that point too. And not that that'll ever happen to her. But you know what I mean? If she does go through anything like that, the best mom ever. Yeah.

And the best friend ever. And I feel like that's always the side of you. too that I'm like you are such a good friend and I people are always like oh you're so strong for getting out and I'm like I don't feel like I'm strong at all like I really needed you and my mom and my that like my support group to encourage and also to just like it's it is hard it's we need our circle and our people yeah so like so grateful for you guys and you and my mom and other friends of course but you and my mom really yeah helped a lot yeah yeah thank you and it But that's just so tricky.

Like, I don't even, it's, I don't know what to even say about that because it's, I think it's pretty obvious that we're both, you know, Michaela needs to set. Yeah. So like, yeah. From your perspective, having been inside a toxic relationship dynamic, when you see things like this playing out, what is your reaction? And obviously, like, no two situations are the same. So I'm not trying to make a direct comparison.

but you know you have a similar history there's certain like I think I the world is already just like so fucked up right now like so whenever even like reality TV or even like the valley you know like when things get just so dark like that I almost just put up I don't need I don't even go there because and I don't know if it's just like I'm still kind of protecting my own yeah energy and headspace but I am like it's hard but they'll get through it is it triggering when you see things like this online of other women going through abusive relationships and toxic cycles. Yeah. I think it's not anymore.

I do think like just like the drama side of it all where it's like it's I'm proud of Michaela for doing that. You are like, you know, I think she did the right thing for herself. She's a mom too, right? Yeah, they're all moms. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like. And that changes it too.

When you have kids involved. Yeah. One's in a toxic relationship. One is trying to like. protect her peace and mental health and like want this one to do better. And, you know, it's like, we all don't have all the time in the world. Yeah. Our time is precious. And, you know, our energy is precious. So I'm proud of Michaela. And I yeah. Yeah. I just just so dark. Yeah. Are they filming right now? So is that what it's she's saying. They did pick up cameras again. And, and so she's saying she like

won't film with her. Unless Taylor's in a better headspace. Yeah. I think that that's. It's, I mean, I think that's a healthy. boundary, you know, if she needs to protect her peace for her mental health. It's like a co-worker too, like obviously they're friends. But think about it, like when you are filming, like that is a very vulnerable workplace. Yeah. And if you don't feel comfortable with someone, like, you shouldn't be forced to have to go and, you know, so I think that that's good. Yeah. For her. For those who are frustrated with Taylor and all this and wondering like why it took so long to leave a relationship that was toxic. Do you think it's hard for people who haven't experienced that?

kind of relationship firsthand to understand how hard it can be to leave. Totally. I used to always be one of those people that that's like, oh, I'm like a strong, like independent. Like I would never put up with that like control, like any type of behavior. And I, you know, that's why I just always like you can just never judge anyone else's until unless you've experienced it or gone through it. Like you just can't. Because yeah, you know, you never know how it is or what you're going to do. Yeah. Yeah. I always said if I was ever cheated on, I would be totally out. in a second. Yeah.

And then it happened. And I'm like, let's try to make this work. Yeah. And that's life. Things. Yeah. And everyone's different.

And some girls do do that and that is great. But every scenario, every situation, every person is different. And you have to just do what's best for us. And yeah. Yeah. Being on the other side of things now with more perspective,

what do you think is the healthiest way for friends to show support without fully enabling, like destructive patterns? Oh, so you mean, okay. Like, is there a perfect way? way to navigate that. You know, it's like you're on the other side now. If you saw a friend who was going through a toxic cycle, is there a way that you would show support but not enable?

I would do what you did with me. Yeah. I would literally, like, because that I saw that and that is what I needed and it worked. And you were so amazing and understanding and supportive, but you also gave me my space. And you were like, I'm here if you need me and you would like check in with my mom. And but I, and also you know, your friends best. Like I know that for you you know that I'm very like if I'm really upset I will not be on my phone. I need a lone time. I need space and like a freaking bubble bath and time. Yeah. So you are just so perfect by just being like I'm here for as soon as you're ready or you have questions. And it did take me a minute to just kind of like feel everything. And then finally yeah. So when I also feel like if you push too hard or you judge too hard, you know,

that person goes back to the relationship. And then it's like they don't see you as that safe. person anymore and I never wanted to do that to you. So it's like I had to be delicate with how I handled it. Like I'm here for you, but also like we got to get you out, babe. Which is such a good friend, but it is also not the, because even like, okay, like if a friend gets cheated on or if a guy does something wrong, I've always been the friend too to be like, I know that you're going to do what you want to do. So like I will tell you all I feel if you want and I will say what I know you deserve and what's best for you and then I will, you know, but you can only watch someone also make mistakes again. And especially when it's like affecting like that situation. It's yeah, that's now

like running into Michaela's own mental and life. But, you know, from a friend perspective, understanding and empathy and like just being there. And I, I mean, I'm thankful that certain people are out of my life now. But like I lost a friend because she just felt like I was so supportive of James and enabling the relationship and supporting the toxic cycle. And I'm like, first of all, I don't need you to tell me how to handle things with my friend because I want her to feel like I'm a safe space and I know she is smart enough. And she knows that when it's the right time, she will be able to get out of it. So I'm going to continue to support my friend Ali.

I'm not supporting James. I'm supporting my friend Ali. And that's why he stayed in my life as long as he did. Well, yeah. Because it was, I mean, yeah. You know, the way he treated Kristen, disgusting. Yeah, I was going to say it's crazy because you've seen. I've seen that cycle.

It also isn't just the cycles with me. You've seen his. I've seen it with two other women. Exactly, yeah. And it was never okay. But then it's like, then he got sober. And so we're like, okay, he's doing better. Because when he's great, he's great.

And like that was, it's a mind fuck really. But it's like the, yeah, when he's bad, he's bad. Yeah. You being able, though, from your perspective to like just. the cycle thing I think is what and then even now like I don't know if he's drinking again and it's like little things like that where I look because I've heard some things and it's like I hope he is and I don't know it's not my business but I'm just glad so glad now on the other side that I got out when I did so yeah yeah for sure and I feel like with the girls with Taylor and Michaela it's like two things can be true

at once you know Taylor does deserve compassion and support if she's struggling, but Michaela also deserves peace and boundaries after years of emotional exhaustion. So totally. What would you say finally helped you get to a place where you were emotionally ready to just fully walk away and create boundaries for yourself? Was it the arrest? Yeah. I think that that was, yeah, the final, I think that that was like the, what is the camel thing?

Back. Yeah. The straw that broke the camel's back. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. That is a mouthful. Yeah. And I think as bad as it was in that moment, like looking back now I'm grateful weirdly because it almost had to be so public, he was dramatic.

That's the thing. So it's like, okay, you can't hide behind this. Like, no, no, we're fine. We're fine. He's great. And it was Christmas. And so like my family was coming to stay at the house with us. And obviously my mom's like, okay, we got it, we got an Airbnb in like Largemont and, you know, had to.

And I think just space. And that's why anyone who is ever going through anything like that, like I think as hard as it is, but like getting away and just having a safe place where you can actually think and hopefully have a support system and people that will help you and help you realize it because it is such a, you have to rewire so many thoughts. And also you're sad and your heartbroken at the same. time but you have to pick yourself up and yeah you can't do that alone yeah I don't think I could have done that alone yeah for the friends and family members listening who may currently be watching someone they love repeat these kinds of cycles how do you stay supportive without completely losing yourself in the process just like being there and just letting that like being there but in a way where it is like a check-in that's like okay as soon as you are ready to I'm here. Yeah.

It's weird because I feel like even though I know I just went through it, I still feel like there's things where I'm like, I don't feel like I'm just like an expert on talking about it yet because I'm still like, not that I'm processing it still. Like I do feel healed and moved on obviously, but I think it's still, I'm not completely sure like what the right answer is for anyone else. You know, so it's like, but what helped me was friends, family, and space. Yeah. And being honest.

Yeah. And, yeah, time, time. Obviously, we've all seen the news that came out on TMZ on my birthday of, like, what now? This past relationship of yours. And on your birthday. On my birthday. I'm like, Jamesy Wood. I know.

I'm like, we need to, no one check on Sheena. I know. I know. I'm like, the way that I'm like, check on Sheena. Yeah. It's her birthday. But, you know, I mean, you've obviously moved on literally and figuratively. you are living your best life, dating new people.

But I mean, it's always got to be weird when you do see your ex with someone else. Like when we were at Coachella and we saw a picture of James with this young, blonde girl. And now there are reports that there's a baby on the way. Yeah. How, I mean, that's got to bring up some slew of emotions for you. Like, how are you feeling with all of that? What was your first thought? My first thought was just shocked because I didn't know.

I mean, yeah, we saw that picture, but I didn't know he had a girlfriend. but then also like, I was like, whoa, but I really was also shocked that I actually was like, okay. And then like didn't really care. Yeah. I think he always has wanted to be a dad. And that was like always our thing too is he always wanted kids like immediately. And I was like, I don't know what I want.

Yeah. And so he's always wanted to be a dad and he has always moved quickly. So, and I wish them the best. Are you still in communication with him at all? No. Okay. promise good no dog picks no thing like that no and even that and that took him like I'm good I actually don't want a dog anymore remember I can't wait to get my own golden doodle and five noodles and I'm like no literally cats are a lot of work and I'm good I'm good I'm good and so I'm healed from that as well good and there's a lot of dogs my building my friends of dogs I'm good and I love cats and you also have so much time to figure out if you want to be a mom me at 29 30 I did not yes I've

I was not ready. And then at 32, 33, I was single. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe I should freeze my eggs just in case I wake up one day, 40 and single and it changed my mind. So it's like, you still have so much time. So awesome. And I'm glad I have you. I know Maddie just did that in Charleston. I have another friend in Charleston who's done it. And I have like endometriosis and things like that. So many people I know have that. Yeah. It's so not fun. I'm sorry. early, yeah. But so I am like kind of going to maybe do that because I don't think I'll be ready for kids like anytime soon and I do think I don't need to be. Yeah. Yeah. Like your age would be yeah. Yeah. But it was the perfect backup plan because who would know that I would almost

dying child labor have such a traumatic birth that now I'm like I won't even take the risk, especially now at 41. But I wouldn't even chance doing it again. So I'm like, well, thank God. You did it? You know, I did that for future, Sheena. Because now if we do ever want to expand our family, we'll have to go a surrogate route. Are you going to? Do you want, would you guys expand? He wants like three more.

Oh, yeah. He wants a whole army of kids. I, it's just so funny. You need to find someone younger than, honey. No, he doesn't. You're literally perfect. And your eggs are frozen. So if you guys did decide, I'd go.

Exactly. It's just so funny. It's just so funny. It's just the way like summer is literally the sun. And you know what I mean? I'm like, I just, it'd be so cute. But I'm like, that's funny. And she asks sometimes.

sometimes, but also I'm like, here's three kittens. I know. And that's where, because like, I'm obviously an only child and I did at moments growing up like want siblings. Yeah. But also at the same time, like I always had friends on vacations, the cats I had. So it's like overall. Yeah. You know, she'll be fine. You remember that night when you were over and you were sitting by the fireplace with summer and you're like, this is your brother and sister. Oh my gosh. Summer starts crying. And she's like, no, they're not. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm sorry. Because like, but then the last time I was there, she goes, this, my sister.

And I'm like, Sheena, did you just hear that? She and she came up with it on her own because I was like, Summer was like, you're such a good cat mom. And she's like, I'm not the mom. Yeah. You're the mom. I'm the sister. And I was like, okay.

Yeah. I think she just needed a little more emotional maturity growth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a shock to her. She was like, well, I have a sister. It's a cat.

And then now she's like, that's, yeah, these are my sister. Like it's so cute. Aw. That's exciting though. I didn't, yeah. Yeah. To think about if you did that. I, because you had summer when, 35?

And then I turned 36 like two weeks after, week and a half after. Yeah. So you've got time, girl. All right. I wanted to end things on a fun note. So before we wrap it up, I thought would play a game of Would You Rather? Yay. And I'll answer also.

Okay. So let's do like maybe five of them. Okay. Would you rather be in an open relationship or be in a thruple? Open. Yeah. I'm trying to think. I'm like, open. I think open for sure. Yeah. See, like, because then that's just like one person in a house also already enough. It's like, you know, but then an open, that's different, right? Because the rules are like, there's rules within the couple. There are rules. Yeah. You agree? I agree. Yeah. Would you rather have your body count hovering over your head at all times? or the name of the last person you had sex with hovering over your head at all times? Thing is, I don't know my body, so I don't know what that number would be hovering. I don't like math or numbers, so same there. I'm like, just go with the name, whatever.

Would you rather have a reputation for being good in bed without being able to live up to it or have a reputation for being lousy in bed, but actually be amazing? The latter. Yeah. I think so too. I'd rather people say like, oh, she sucks. And then they're like, oh. Yeah, they don't even know.

Why are they worried about it anyway? Right. For sure. Would you rather be in jail for five years or in a coma for 10? Poma. Yeah. At least they're just taking a nap. And then jail, we could never.

You wake up and you're like, wait, who's president? What happened? Yeah. I'm like, that's fine. I'll go there now. I can't do the lighting in the jail and I need pillow. Yeah. Would you rather wake up in Freaky Friday or Groundhog?

day. Someone else's body or a repeating day. Freaky Friday. That could be kind of fun. Like who is it? I don't know. I guess it would be your mom. I wouldn't want to do it with like a guy.

You know what? I think freaky Friday, if we could switch with our moms and then like make them do all of the things that like they won't do. That would be kind of fun. That would be fun, actually. Would you rather know when or how you're going to die? Ooh. That's a hard one.

God. I don't know. Maybe when? Because I don't want to know how. Because what if it's tragic? Like I'll just be so scared. What if when is like next month? I mean, you know what?

I think I agree with when because then you live your life. You live your life. Because you know when your time is up. And then you also actually like that would be kind of like, it's like, oh. Yeah. You get all your ducks in a row and you're like, this is what I'm going to do. That's true. Because what if it's a car accident?

I would never get in a car again. Exactly. Or if it's a murder, you're just like, oh, that's like, I would just be depressed. Mm-hmm. Would you. rather give up social media or TV and film for good? Social media. Yeah, same.

Last one. Would you rather have a threesome with your partner and your last X or a threesome with your partner and their last X? I'll take, oh. The latter. I'm like, who is my last X? Yeah, I definitely would rather do that with theirs then. Yeah.

Like, I kind of might take my last X. I'm just trying to think of which one that is. I'm also like, even like Vanderbub. I'm like, I've like, like friends with a lot, you know, like, they're like. Yeah. It would be awkward for Brock because he has friends with some of my. Right. Right.

Our situation is like, yeah. Okay. And then to wrap up every week of shenanigans, we give flowers and a jack's hole. So is there anyone from Perfect Match you want to name the jacks hole or give flowers to? I'll give the flowers to the girl or the girl, like all the girl or Nicklishet. He's just the best. Did you see him on Watch Watton's life? I did.

He was so cute and so nice. I know. And Andy was so nice too. And then he said that. And I was like, that's so nice. He's from Cincinnati. Love him. I love that.

And then you didn't get as nice of a shout out. You know, I'll give the jack's hole. I won't make you do it. I will give the jack's hole to anyone who wants to shit on a Bravo blogger. Because you know what? I'm honored to be compared. to them in that category, first of all, like, we're all out here doing podcasts, spreading the good word of Bravo, you know? And the thing is, these people work so hard. And to say it in a way

that's demeaning, it just discredits the hard work that they do, the countless hours they watch. And the fact that none of us would have a job if people weren't invested that much in our lives. So that's facts. That's all I have to say. But that's not. That's not. Right. Thank you for being here, Allie. Thank you all for listening. Flowers to the Girls, Nick Lachay, and make sure to follow Allie's journey on Netflix's perfect match. The first five episodes are out now so you can go and binge it before the next two come out next week and then the finale. I'm so excited because I remember you telling me stuff when you came home. Yeah. But I don't remember exactly. So I can't wait to watch it all play out. I'm so excited. All right.

Well, she's got to get back to Charleston. We've got to get lunch. And we'll see you guys next week. Yeah. Some more shenanigans. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to shenanigans with Shea.

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