Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Beyond The Valley & the Baywatch of It All w/ Lacy Nicole

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

You may know Lacy Nicole as Jesse Lally's girlfriend on “The Valley,” but this week, Scheana sits down to talk about the story that started long before Bravo cameras were ever rolling. From growing up with a parent battling addiction to living for years with undiagnosed Stage 4 endometriosis, Lacy opens up about the experiences that shaped her, why safety—not success—has always been her greatest goal, and how she's learned to stop apologizing for her past. The two also get into divorce, dating after heartbreak, blending families, co-parenting, and what it's really like loving someone whose life plays out on reality television. Plus, Lacy shares the truth behind her past conversations about joining “The Real Housewives of Orange County,” reveals why she ultimately passed on the opportunity, and whether she'd walk through that door if the opportunity came around again. Then it's time for a round of rapid-fire questions covering everything from Jesse's biggest "ick" moment to the last Instagram account she stalked, the last person she unfollowed on Instagram, and the rumor about herself that made her laugh. Scheana also shares her Flowers of the Week, highlighting the growing conversation around maternal mental health, before Lacy comes full circle…going from once being named Scheana's Jax-Hole of the Week to getting to name one herself. Who gets the honor? You'll have to tune in to find out. Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guest: @lacyoc  Purchase your very own copy of the NYT Best-selling book/audiobook MY GOOD SIDE at www.mygoodsidebook.com!Episode Sponsors:Find your nearest Ross at RossStores.com.Visit resortpass.com/scheana to get $20 off your first booking of $100 or more. If you have an iPhone, head to ladder.fit/GOODASGOLD and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use my link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join.To get 15% off your first order go to: REEF.com/GOLD or, use code GOODASGOLD at checkout.Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle. It's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Shea Shea. Hello everyone and welcome back. I am joined in the studio today by someone whose name you've definitely heard before, but whose story you may not actually know. No, she's an entrepreneur, philanthropist, mental health advocate, the founder of the

shame to sparkle movement, and the plus one making the biggest impact among Bravo audiences. But today, we're going way beyond the bio. We're going to talk about her story, the experiences that shaped her, the work she's doing now. And yes, some of the things you may have heard about her recently because there's a lot said, a lot assumed, and a lot of conversation happening around Lacey. So I wanted to actually have a conversation with her. I'm so happy to be here.

Yay. I love you. With Lacey Nicole. I'm a Shina fan. I love you. We've gotten past everything. We're here together. I know.

And I love you. I think friendships actually do better when they have a rocky start. Honestly, some of the best friendships have had fallouts. And if they can come back together, they're usually stronger because of it. Well, and you see how people problem solved, how they hold themselves accountable. how they do things. You're like, okay, I know, like, I'm good to go. Exactly. Yeah, we had a good conversation like over a year ago and we've been, you know, time goes so fast. I know. It's freaking me out. No old. I know. Summer starts kindergarten on Tuesday and I'm like, where did the time go?

Yeah, it freaks me out. Oh, I know. But how's your summer been? How's Coco? Amazing. We did a European excursion. So we fled. We literally fled. And so we were in Europe. We were in Aspen. we were we just did a week at the beverlyles hotel i was like i don't know how to live normal again because this is so bushy like they're bringing us ice cream sundays and they made it so special so so nice yeah that sounds totally problematic the way i just versed that but yeah we had the best summer she was completely like immersed in european culture running around and i love that you did that with her you know that you take her on those trips i bring her everywhere yeah no which i is ironic because i don't really post her yeah so everyone's always like well you don't have children you

I'm like, oh, no, I just don't post her. Yeah, you don't have to. Maybe one day. I always say, like, if she's old enough or she wants to, I would like let her. But she's always been, like, more shy. So I don't want to ever be like, Lacey or mom. Sometimes they call it by their first name. No, I don't want her to be like, why did you post that?

And then, like, mad at me. But then lately now she's like, I want to YouTube. I want to dance on YouTube. And I'm like, okay, you know, like, we'll figure it out. I know. I go back and forth with that. And I'm like, you know, obviously my kid is very. public.

But Summer's like a star, you know, like she's like, she's like a little performer. Like I've hung out with her and I can see that. Like that's like her enigma. Yeah. Like Coco's more shy. See, Summer is shy though. Once she opens up, then yeah, she'll put on a show. Yeah.

But she definitely is shy at first and she'll get camera shy the older she's gotten. Like when we were filming Vanderpomperals when she was a baby, I mean, she was just, that's all she knew. There were always big cameras in her face. You know, like I think. it makes sense if it's part of your life where it's like it didn't make sense to have her come on the valley for like my plus one where I'm driving down like that would be weird. So it's all for you. Now I'm like I don't know like if I do another show like how is she going to be at this age

right cameras. Well I always want mine to do like voiceovers because she's the funniest voice and she's so articulate how she enunciates her words but then I don't even know like I am too ADHD to figure out like how to do it. No, it's a lot. And like what would I drive her to like an audition? Like I so. A lot are on Zoom now or like you just send a tape in. Yeah. I always say like type F because I'm not even type B or C. I'm like somewhere else on that spectrum of like I can't figure out something right now. I didn't even realize how many personality types or whatever there were until recently. Someone was like, oh yeah, Brock, you're totally type C. And I was like, there's not just type A and B. No. And you have to do the Meyer Briggs. Yeah.

I like knowing where everyone falls on that. Like, I'm an INFJ. So it's like cool if you take the test. And it's like profoundly accurate. Oh, I haven't taken it in a while. Sometimes I'll try and cheat. Because I'm like, maybe I'm this way now. I want to be an extrovert.

And then I take it and it's always I NFJ. It like knows. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'm definitely type A. But I'm extrovert and like a control rate. Yeah, you're a planner. Yeah, for sure. Not me.

But it has changed. I will say like since being a mom, I'm just like, Look, I will cancel plans. Good. Way more than before. I'm just not being a people pleaser anymore. I was just going to say you're also people pleasers. So they're more likely to be planners because they're always taking care of everything.

Yeah. But I'm just like, you know what? Like, no, I don't feel like doing that. I'm not going to double book myself when I'm tired. Like, I can't get over your schedule. You told me your birthday party schedule a few weeks ago. And I was like, oh, my gosh. So many birthday parties.

I know. See, I'm the worst. And I forget they're happening. Like, I'll see the post and I'm like, shoot, I know where is we be? I am very good with a calendar. A calendar. And I have to tell my husband, look at the calendar. Because he's like, what do you mean?

We have something on Saturday. I'm like, it's on the calendar. Yeah, I have one. I just. Yeah. We have like a giant skylight calendar in our kitchen. And I'm like, just go look. My entire calendar is synced to that.

So even if you're not seeing it on your phone, go look. It's there. Yeah, I have that men. I have like a 90s one that I write in. Oh my God, you are my mom. Yeah, I have to write in it with like milky pen. She's like if it's not written on my calendar, like she'll do this to me too where she's like, oh, I'm doing this, that and the other.

I'm like, well, wait, because I actually needed you that day for summer. And she's like, what's not on the calendar? I like writing it though, because the act of writing it, I feel like I'm accomplishing something. Yeah. Like, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, like I was taking my dad to the Chargers game last week. And I'm like, it's on the calendar. And she goes, it doesn't say with dad.

And I'm like, she's like, and I didn't write it on my paper calendar. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm sorry. Dad's coming to the game with me. So dinner has to get rescheduled. I like it, though. I mean, it's whatever works for you. Yeah. I skip where I need to be most of the time.

Yeah. Exactly. You made it here. Almost didn't. Okay. So I want to start way before any of the things people might know you for now. So are you born and raised? In OC.

Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. Where did you go to high school? Villa Park. Okay. Gotcha. Vanilla Park.

Yeah. So I used to call it that. Lacey OC on Instagram. It's just always been that. I love it. That's how I have you in my phone and I'll never change it. It's always been that. And like, I mean, I just made it that when it was like when did Instagram come out?

I remember I was watching the O.C. I was like, this is perfect. Oh, yes. I'm from the O.C. That's where I got Summer's name from. Summer Roberts. Oh. Yeah.

See? Uh-huh. And people say nothing good happens in Orange County. No, I just have always been Lacey O.C. Yeah. No, I love it. That's literally you and my phone. So you mentioned before that I know you had a hard upbringing.

What was your family dynamic like growing up? I mean, I always say this. I call it like my Tinder bio because I do public speaking for work. And I certainly didn't have the worst upbringing. Like I know people have profoundly worst upbringing. So I never want to be like claiming that. flag of I don't have privilege because I do right I was born in Orange County I still have a privilege but there was addiction in my house and I was an only child and simultaneously my mom

battled addiction and type 1 diabetes so I just took on caretaker from like the earliest age possible yeah and I think if you grow up with addiction you get this language that's unspoken of the only you get if you grew up with it and it's not to like discredit people like I always wanted the picket white vends, but I just knew like unspoken rules before I knew like basic basic social etiquette. Like I knew if I came home and the house was a certain way that like the police would probably be there that night. Or I knew if like I could tell when I couldn't go to school one week because like I could tell when my mom was using. I could tell like I just learned this language or like I always knew that certain things weren't available to me. And maybe they're first world things.

Right. Like I always never did sleepovers because I knew like people might come and in my house and like figure me out or if I'm somewhere else, what if something happens or she realizes and I'm not there and then she overdoses and she dies. And like I just remember always having this like. That's so heavy for a kid too to have those thoughts and concerns. Yeah. And I also think it's like my superpower because it gave me the gift of nuance at a really, really early age where like I always knew that like I was fighting so many variables behind the scenes that I just only assume everyone is. So like I know everything is nuanced. I know people are acting a certain way. There's for sure something happening, but it just kind of shaped my whole personality. And I do so much work with

like inner child work and childhood trauma. And I always say like it's not to be shackled to your childhood. Right. Like terrible things happen to everyone. Everyone experiences trauma. So I'm not special in that. But it's knowing the path that made you who you are and why we act the way we do, like feeding the people please. I don't know what happened in your life to make you that way or if there was like an abandonment wound or abandonment trigger. But like statistically or philosophically, of whatever realm you want to look out of why we are the way that we are, it's something that happened when we were young that kind of shaped the way we have a lens on the world. So like I know that like I'm very avoidant. I'm very guarded in certain ways because like that's just the

way that I shaped the world from a young age. So now as an adult, I'm trying to always like repave those bricks, so to speak. And it's such a hard task. So I always want everyone to know like, oh, I'm the way I am because of this. But it's not like I'm a victim of circumstance. It's just like why I am the way I am. Or maybe I'm more guarded or maybe I'm more stoic at times. But like I've always been like that. You know, maybe that's my own defense mechanism.

Totally. Well, you're also very well spoken. I will say like just over the last year that I've gotten to know you more. Like I just enjoy every time we hang out, every conversation we have. I swear it's all the Diet Coke. It's like Diet Coke and a dream. Like I'm fueled by. caffeine and co-based amounts of Diet Coke. And I'm always like, oh, you guys want to talk about

this? I know. And I hyper fixate on things. So like any weird random thing that's so niche. I'm sure I've been up like 2 a.m. like writing notes on it. It's like I don't know why I am the way I am. Yeah. That's like my thing. Do you journal? A journal. I write like. I just, I feel like pin to paper makes my brain like connect the dots. Yeah. I'm trying to get back into it. Yeah. I stopped a few years ago I was journaling every night and now I'm like okay I need to start it again I have it literally in my bag and I've just been carrying it around with me and I'm like one I will write in it again so now that I'm saying this on the podcast I'm going to journal tonight yeah self accountable so bumps on my fingers oh yeah we day love that ring is that Kyle Chan

thank you no I don't have any Kyle Chan no shade of Kyle Chan but I like I're cheering him on yeah no it's so cute now he's like the people's jeweler in the Vanderpump world. He's the people's jeweler, that's for sure. I'm cheering him on. What did you imagine your life looking like when you were younger? What did you think about future Lacey when you were a kid? I don't know. I think I was just always imagining like my dream life has feeling safe, right? And so I don't know if I somehow like by proxy always attract chaos. But I just feel like feeling safe is like the ultimate luxury, right? Like yeah. knowing your bills will be paid, knowing you have somebody who cares for you or will,

like, fight for you. So I don't know. Yeah. When you look at the person you are today, you know, you're a mother, you're an entrepreneur, you're an advocate, you do all of these things. What parts of the person you are today can you trace back to Little Lacey? Oh my gosh. These are such deep questions. Getting deep with Lacey, Nicole. I mean, I guess all of me, Like everything I do, I keep like a photo of me. It's kind of narcissistic, but I keep a little photo of me as a little girl like in my car and my notes in my phone. I don't think that's narcissistic. Like I always feel like it's a beautiful thing to know your roots and be proud of them and to just advocate for little you the way that you deserved.

And like sometimes I'll get blue, right? Like I'll be doing something for my daughter and I'm like, oh my gosh, I know I deserve this. And I never got this. And like I also think it's just like a beautiful thing to reparent yourself. So there are so many parts of me with everything. everything I do where I'm always like, even if someone treats me unfairly, like, I'm always like, what would I do if little me was standing right here? Like, would I react? Would I be crazy loud? But I would still fight for her. And I noticed it a lot like in doctor's appointments where it's like,

I'm really great at advocating for myself because I'm like, how would I advocate for little me? And I would maintain composure and like, I don't know, like little things like that. Yeah. Sounds like. No, I feel like our millennial generation is going to be the one to break all of those generational cycles, you know? And it's not that our parents did anything on purpose, you know, like I think I am a people pleaser because my mom was a people pleaser and she was the person, she still is to this day, who will take care of everyone else in the world before herself. And I'm like, mom, I need you to put yourself first sometimes. You need to put your health first. You need to put yourself first, you know. And I think that now we have more tools. We have therapy.

we have things to learn how to. And free therapy. There are so many amazing like free apps, free YouTube, free modules to like study. But I always too, like I like to tell like my lore, my upbringing because I think like a lot of times like right like Instagram. Like to me, Instagram is a made up highlight real. It's not real life. 100%.

I don't I don't think anyone's Instagram. I'm like my face app photo cute too is not my real life. And there's so many things find the scenes. And I think that people again, forget. nuance. So it's really easy to be like, oh, well, easy for her, right? Or easy for this person. And I like to always be cognizant of where I came from because I'm proud of where I came from. I'm not ashamed of where I came from. And growing up, I was very ashamed of where I came from. So the reason I'm always like, oh, shame to sparkle, you know, blah, blah, blah, is because it's like,

I live my whole life in shame, probably until I was 28, 29, maybe even 30. And I lied for everyone in a sense up like, not like a liar, but just omitting like the truth of the reality of the severity of how bad things were to where like my own body was like turning on me and my own friends were like Lacey, we love you. Like you've got to like let go of some of this control of the people around you can't control them. And like I'm not mad at my parents, right? I'm not mad at them for being a byproduct of their upbringing. I'm not like and I didn't have it the worst. But being able to validate like, okay, these things all happen and that was my reality. It's just like it's like setting yourself free of like, okay, now I can move forward and be like the most authentic me.

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So I do want to get into that. As far as PTSD goes, what tools would you recommend for people to help get over like a severe trauma? Well, I'll lead with I'm not a doctor. You're not? I thought you had your PhD, lazy.

I know, this is shocking. No, I like, There are things that a doctor can prescribe you or tell you, but also I'm a person who likes to go off personal experiences. Yeah. I just read, I read the comments on my Instagram. So I'm like you're not a doctor. I'm not a physician. No, but like EMDR has helped me.

Is that something that you've ever done? I've done EMDR. So yeah. So I have a foundation that helps women with C PTSD primarily. And we are like a very small scale foundation. Keep in mind. Again, we don't make like a crazy exorbitant amount of money or funding. But we help like.

15 to 20 women a year. Yeah. That's amazing. That's 15 and 20 more than other people are helping. I think the conversations are important. And the reason I won't personally shut up about it is because I lived my 20s in like a state of unwell. And like even if you saw maybe a happy Instagram photo or something like I was chronically ill. I had so many health issues. I had so many autoimmune issues. I had weight loss, weight gain where I would be like so sick and I was miserable. And my mental health was not doing well. And I would go to dog. doctors, like begging for answers and I couldn't ever, like I never, it took me almost 10 years to get diagnosed with endometriosis. Wow. And again, this is like a privilege, but I had health insurance. So it's not like I'm one of these millions of women who doesn't have access to medical treatment, which shouldn't be a privilege, but it's a completely different tyrant I could go on. But I want women to always know the verbiage to use and the way to advocate because like I didn't know this and I feel like I could have saved my own self so much time and suffering. And like our mind, health is all correlated. And so with C PTSD, which is complex PTSD, it's not a one-off thing. Like,

you don't have PTSD if, you know, like some people like think they have, but see people. People can use it casually. Yeah, I've been guilty of that before and I got torn apart online. No, no, no. I just think, I think we're in like a weird time right now where there is so much readily available information to us all. And maybe I'd misuse things as well. Like, I'm probably guilty of it. But where we're diagnosing people on like a mass scale of certain things are like calling people a narcissist when like calling people, like, calling people, these, like, words we're learning that aren't necessarily true. So I want people to also know, like, the impact of our words. But C-P-T-SD is complex PTSD, which is basically, like, you are made to feel unsafe in a, in a terrible situation over time versus, like, a one-off

event. So I always say, like, if you are someone who maybe had a health issue, like cancer. So I lost, like, three of my really close friends and my grandma and my grandpa and my uncle. Like, I lost, like, 12 people to cancer. So, like, I would say that's a source of me of, like, C-P-T-S-D. Because, like, I've seen it. I know it. I've seen the financial toll. I've sat in those hospital beds. I've held people's hands and it changed me. And it changed me where I was in fight or flight or I wasn't sleeping at night or I wasn't

eating. And I was like, I need to talk to someone like I'm not well, right? And these triggers are like getting worse and worse, not better and better with times. So going in and knowing how to articulate that first and foremost and then going in and finding like a module that works for you. So like I did EMDR and it helped me in the beginning. I used to advocate for it.

I used to post everything on Instagram. by the way. I was like crazy. And now I've like archived everything because I'm like, I'm like, you know, break. But it helped me so much. And then I hit this plateau and I realized it started to hurt me. Like I was revisiting so many dark things where I was like, now I'm having like night tears because like I don't even want to remember this stuff. You know, because you go into all these deep places of you and why you're coping in the way you are. And but I like to tell everyone like we're not one size fits all. But if you can find any way that helps you cope because our bodies will take a hit. And like this.

is backed by science. This isn't me just saying this. Like it is backed by science where like 80% of people with autoimmune disease are women. And if you're a woman and you've been a victim of violence, you're more likely to be diagnosed with MS, like 80% of the people with MS. And you look at all these stats where like one in three women is a victim of sexual abuse or sexual trauma. And then you look at the stats on autoimmune disease. And then you look at like reproductive disease. And so to me, it's all this pillar of just like knowing the why because I was chronically sick for years. And it's again, it's not like cause and effect. I'm not like drawing this direct cause, but if I'm chronically sick and my body is in chronic fight or flight and then I'm slowly

alleviating little variables where I'm in fighter flight, right? Like I'm going to therapy. I'm taking antidepressants. I'm sleeping at night. And then, oh, suddenly my RA markers are going down at the rheumatologist. So to me it is like there's a correlation. And a correlation, again, doesn't necessarily mean cause. Like, please don't send me the hate mail. But it's knowing like the why is on our body and like the things we've been through and being able to vocalize it and verbalize it so we can find help that works for us as women because like our medical system is corrupt.

Like our government is corrupt. Yeah. Anyway. I don't even know if I like answered. No. I'm like a yapper and then I get lost somewhere along the way and I end up somewhere else. And I'm like, oh, I don't even know what I'm talking. But you saw the reunion.

I'm like, shut up. No, I love it. And this is the great thing about podcast is you need a yapper. Yeah, you can cut it down. No, it's good. I always listen and I'm like, it's mostly me. Yeah. Yapping.

And I'm like, sorry. How much of shame to sparkle exist because of like personal trauma or things that you've overcome? I think all of it. Like, all of it. And I mean, it's not like I'm, I'm not moving mountains with it, right? Like, you're still making a different. Tiny nonprofit. I help people I help. But like the people I help, like, I hear some horrific shit. Like, I go and speak and like, it's not for Instagram.

Like I'm not posting a reel when I'm at the courthouse speaking to women on victim advocate panels. Like, you hear some heavy fucking shit, which makes my stuff look like, that's why I always say. Like, I'm not in the trauma Olympics. I'm getting the lowest score. I hear some terrible things. And I can't go into the world like hearing these terrible things and not being like, okay, here. like we have $1,500 help you this. Maybe it's the smallest little divot in time ever to help someone. But to me, it's so important because it's like I can't know I have like access to things and not try and share them. Again, even like super small scale. And like I know there are bigger organizations that do bigger things.

But like to me it's important. Totally. When you're working with women who have experienced trauma, how do you keep from absorbing their experiences yourself? That's tough. I think it depends on the person because sometimes I do. and like sometimes I'll be up at night. But you know what? Like it's like a trade off.

And I believe in karma like for sure. Before we move on, I do want to talk about endometriosis more because I have, I think, four friends who have it. And I used to think it was something like super rare. But then I found out so many of my close friends struggle with this as well. I feel like there's. not enough talk around like symptoms or getting diagnosed for it. And I mean, like you said, it can take so many years for people to figure out that's what's wrong. So it takes a long time.

What are some ways that like, or what are some questions that women can take to their doctors to be like, I think this is what it is. I mean, it's rough. I would say riot because it's so hard to get a diagnosis, but not genuinely don't riot. Yeah. So it's one in 10 women is a statistic right now and the average diagnosis time is 10 years. And I always say that changes. just incredibly if you're a woman of color, if you're from an area with lower income. Yeah. You don't have health insurance, which again shouldn't be the norm and the statistic. But for me, I actually just lost one of my really good friends.

She passed away from anometriosis. Really? Yeah. I shouldn't say really good friend, really good friend in that community. Like she was the first woman who I connected with. Wow. She got me a physician. Nobody would help me.

And she got me in with a doctor, Dr. Iris Orbach, who she wrote the book on like excision surgery. And she like fought for me. We met on Instagram like 10 years ago. So that was horrific. But it's such a hard disease because funding doesn't go to it. And it's like another one of our plateaus in the country. Like I've always said like more funding has gone towards like Viagra research than like women's reproductive health.

Yeah. It's crazy. And like male. Not to be like. Right. I don't always sound like I'm against the men because I'm other. I'm like so. I'm so guarded now because I'm like, please don't come from my emotions.

Oh, girl. I get it. I know. But it's such an important conversation to me because, like, I didn't know I had endometriosis. So basically, I was just, like, collapsing. I was always, like, low iron and anemic. And I, I, I gained and lose weight really easily. So I would be, like, covered in bruises. And one time I fainted and I was in so much pain. So I just called an ambulance. And I was like, I think I have leukemia. Because my hemoglobin was so low. They were like, we need to check you for all these things. And then they said I had a GI issue. Then they sent me, they said I had anxiety disorder. They were like, you've generalized anxiety. it's your anxiety, of course. That is gasoline. How yeah, Gaslight women, but it was years of begging. And then I finally, like,

doctor Googled and I went to the OB and I was like, I think I have this endometriosis. And she was like, no, no, no, it's your anxiety. And I was like, no, I think I have it. So for like two years, I went, and this was like a good OB in Newport Beach, who I won't say her name because we're nemesis now. But for two years, keep in mind.

So it was like, I want to say 25 to 27 or 24 to 20. It was a two-year hiatus because I started writing everything down in this giant folder because I was like, I'm crazy and I've got the time. And so she was like, well, let's put you on hormonal birth control. Let's put you, let's do the Orlissa, or not Orlissa, that was later. Sorry, I'm jumbling my thoughts. So for two years, she said it's not that. And then I finally got in with a seccision surgeon to see if it was that. And he was like, oh, yeah, you have advanced anometriosis.

It's stage four. It's like wrapped around your organs. you know, your bowel is being. And I was like, for two years, I've wasted taking these stupid birth controls that make me crazy, by the way. Like, I was so emotional. And now it's stage four. Like, maybe it still would have been two years prior, right? I don't know. And I don't have an oracle. But it's the premise of like, if you just listen to me, maybe I wouldn't be this bad. Or maybe I wouldn't be seeing now a doctor getting a colonoscopy and an endoscopy. And it's not here. It's here. It's here. And like, it's such a barbaric disease. Because it's, so much inflammation and pain in your body. And you do have good days and bad days. And you do look healthy. Like I looked healthy. I remember leaving the surgery and a few days later at an event.

And everyone was like, I posted some picture. And like I was still kind of like bullshitting like, oh, I'm fine. And everyone was like so mean about this dress. And I was like covered in bandages under it. And that's when I was like, fuck this. I'm just going to like share. Yeah. I love when people are open about their experiences, about their procedures, about just

anything that can help other people, you know, but it's just like, why not talk about it? Yeah. You know, why are we gatekeeping with things that help whatever it is? Yeah, and it's hard to get diagnosed. It's hard to be seriously, which it shouldn't be. Yeah. No, that's so tough. And I know that there is a surgery that can help with it, but it's also, it's not an affordable surgery. No, it's not affordable. Is it even covered by insurance? It's covered by insurance. But again, it depends on your insurance. It depends on your, and now I need another. Like, the whole thing is quite barbaric. I like posting about it.

And I always say this too. It's like it's not for sympathy. I can handle anything. It's I meet so many women who are like, I swear I have this. I don't know how to get my doctor to believe me. And like that's kind of the median. If we're really looking at the discussion, it's mostly women like, okay, what do I do? My doctor won't believe me.

Or like they give me Lupron for a year. And I feel terrible. So like I was given Lupron. I think it's another thing that's like barbaric. I lack of better word. But yeah. Why do I know? What is Lupron?

So it's a drug they use. It's a hormone blocker, but it essentially can put you in a, they give it to cancer patients as well going through chemo, but it puts your body in a premature metapause, like chemically and neurologically. So like I'm up at three in the morning, like on the side of the road having hot flashes. Oh, no. And I was so angry because I remember meeting women. I was really, really heavily involved in JDRF at the time.

It's a charity. I'm on the board of. And they would always give me. And I don't know if it's like a woman thing or maybe it was my ego because I was younger where they'd always be like wait till you're my age wait till your right pause and I'm like I'm suffering a lot like leave me like you know but yeah now I'm older and I'm like you know it's true though like wisdom comes with age now I don't care if someone said that to me totally no it's easier to just shake things off now yeah yeah

obviously you're a mom now but how did this affect you and shape you before you became a mom it definitely changes all the conversations and it's again it's another place of like fury because it's another huge fiscal fear and worry like, okay, I'm going to have to do IVF. This does impact my fertility. I'm going to have to take these preemptive measures. And like I think it's like another thing where it's just like the knowledge of a diagnosis is such a privilege. And I wish I had a different word than privilege because they use it so often. But it's like that's where we're at as a society. Yeah. Did you have to do IVF to get pregnant? I did it and I actually got pregnant naturally. Oh. Yeah. See, you hear about that.

all the time. But I miscarried a few times. Like it was still a... Yeah, I'm sorry. And I had a... Yeah, I had a bunch of issues, but... Yeah. It's the result, not the...

Totally. You got your rainbow baby. Yeah. And that's all that matters. So as a mom after a divorce, how would you say that kind of shaped dating moving forward for you? I mean, I've always liked dating. I didn't like getting divorced, right? I wouldn't choose that, but I've always liked dating.

Yeah. I think I'm a good dater. Shocking. I don't know if I choose all the right people. Yeah. But I like, I enjoy dating. I like learning about humans and I like a free dinner, God willing, hopefully. Right.

But like I like dating. Yeah. How do you think your divorce changed your understanding of love and partnership? How long were you guys married? We weren't married that long. We were together a while, but we weren't married that long. We were together. I want to say like six years or seven years.

That's a long time. Yeah. I think it just made me more stoic and more guarded. Yeah. I get that. Like I definitely feel more guarded now. You know, like I hear everything, right? Like, because now people are seeing my relationship on a, on a TV show.

And like, I am more guarded. I am more avoidant. I don't know if I was like that before. Yeah. I think just like, I don't know. if I want my heart to feel like totally. Yeah. In pain ever again. So I know you've said you don't want to get married again. Do you still feel that way? I honestly just, again, like I don't like to ever like never say never. I just like where I'm at like my divorce was so painful for me. I just don't I don't want to go

through that again. And it does hurt me. I know I said this on the show, but like it does hurt me because I don't. It's nothing monetary. It's like, I don't, I don't want to go through that again. Yeah. No, I completely get that. Would you even not getting married be open to expanding your family? Are you a one and done? I mean, I'm always open for things. Like, that's why I'm freezing my eggs always like, you know the eggs. Just right now I'm in such a like a stable place. I don't know if I would want to change it right now. But yeah, I've always wanted to adopt. So before I ever had a child, I've used to be through Olive Crest, you can help families that need somebody to just take on the help if they're going through maybe something with a legal system or addiction. And so I've always been on

these lists and having these moments where we can take kids in. And like my dad was adopted. I feel like I'm very pro adoption. That's amazing. Me too. And I think if you love to give. So like I'm not against that. And I always say like down the line. But yeah. I don't know right now. No, I get it. I'm in the exact same boat as you where it's Like I have one. She's amazing. She's my rainbow miracle baby and she's perfect. But I want to give her a sibling one day. But then at the same time, like, I can't carry another.

Do we do a surrogate? Do we adopt down the line? But I love that both Brock and I are open to adoption. I always have been since I was like a teenager. That's nice that he's open to. A long of men aren't open to it weirdly. Oh, he totally is. I mean, he still wants like one or two more of his with me.

But I'm like, yeah, it's hard. No, no. it's a lot. I don't know. Time keeps passing too and I keep getting older and I'm like maybe in like 15 years and people are like you're going to be like I know right a hundred I'm like well I'm not caring but in my mind in my mind I still feel like it's like my grandma used to say this and she passed away but she was like my best friend but she's always say like one day you just wake up and you're older like you still feel she's like we used to go out and she's like I still feel like that 18 year old girl yeah 20 year old girl like my body's just older and now I'm noticing that with me where I'm like I don't I like time is

so weird. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It is. Well, I know dating after a divorce is one thing, as I have been there, but I didn't have a kid. So dating when you're also, you know, someone's mom is just got to be completely different. How did that change your approach to dating? I mean, I don't know if I had an approach. But like, did you do the apps? Did you just like, no. No. Like, because you and Jesse knew each other from back in the day. We knew each other. Yeah. But I just had like my little roster. Well, you know. Yeah. The Baywatch guy. My Lord. Who shall not be named. My lore with Sheena. No. I, I don't, I mean, I feel like it's very easy to date. But I think when you're a mom and you already have the things you want in your life, like it's much easier, right? I think when you're younger,

there's this ticking clock, right? Like, okay, got to get married. Got to have kids. And then you realize, like, at least for me, and I'm not saying this for everyone because what works for me might be like BS to everyone else. and I hate me. But like, I don't believe in any of that stuff. Like, I don't think there's a clock. I don't think. So it's kind of like if I can have fun with someone and enjoy them or if our kids get along, like so easy for me. Yeah. To date. And like if my daughter's out of dad's doing something and I don't have plans and someone wants to go to dinner. I'm like, yeah. Like, yeah. How is the custody with the two of you? It's fine. Like I have full custody. Just pen to paper because he travels for work all the time. But he takes her all the time. Like they're going to some camp

right now because I'm here. Yeah. It's pretty easy. Yeah. That's great if you can have an easy co-parenting relationship. It is. And like we live close to each other. So it's amazing. It's nice having someone nearby if like something like I recently was really sick and I had to go in an ambulance to the hospital because I had a sovarian cyst and my nanny was like I'm just going to drop her off there. Don't worry. Like you know like it's nice to have somebody close to you. Yeah. That definitely helps. How do you explain to a young kid, like mommy has a new boyfriend? How did those conversations? Did you have to have those conversations? Or was she so young when you started dating Jessie that it was just kind of like, this is mommy's new friend. And we're just hanging out.

I don't know if she still really fully like comprehends that. But I think she was so young. It was a blessing when like she never knew anything else. Yeah. And I think with the blessing with Jesse, which I think is like misunderstood too lot of people. It's like, our kids were like already in that same circle of people. So it's like that's true. Yeah. Like birthday parties and stuff. So it's like all our kids were there.

She's just like stoked to play with Isabella. She's not like, I don't think she's necessarily looking. I think he's an extension of Isabella, not an extension of me. Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. You know? Because like even a year before they were even divorced like Coco and Isabella were like invited to Rayne's birthdays and stuff together.

Like right. I think it's like. years. I think it's like if anyone, I think it's easier with a kid. I will say that. Mm-hmm. With a young kid. Yeah. I'm not having to explain so much. Because to, to, even when Jesse comes over, she's like, okay, Isabelle and her daddy. Like, I don't know if she really cares. Yeah. No, I get that. I love that. And I love that the girls get along. And again, like, I'm not very like PDA. It's not like we're like kissing in my kitchen. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's only on trips with his ex-wife. I'm just kidding. I mean, I'm not a, I don't

I don't think I'm a PDA person. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if there's necessarily like she's seeing that. Yeah. But I'm sure like, yeah, she's just like mommy's friend. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So obviously, I mean, you're an important adult in Isabella's life, but, you know, she has a mom who you obviously want to respect and leave space for. How do you, what advice would you give to someone navigating, you know, you know, you know, know, like co-parenting after divorce, blending families and kids together. What has worked for you guys? I think I just try and respect their rules. Like they have their rules. They have the way they do things. And like what I've kind of learned is anytime I try and instill the way I do things,

it's not productive. Like they have the way they do things. It works for them. That makes sense. And like I always look at it like just an extension of like my daughter is having this like beautiful little girl to play with and like they get to do fun things like I try and make like when we're all together a time very focused on like a fun activity yeah or like we'll do like a fun day or like not so heavy yeah and it's not really my place to give like my beliefs or rules on another child

yeah but we haven't really had that we don't really have that speed bump yeah that's great I love that have there been things you've intentionally done different with jesse because you know what it feels like to be the other parent in that situation Not really That's good Not I mean No

Okay I'm trying to think But Even when we're together Though it's like We're kind of both We're two parallels Like

Yeah He's doing bedtime in one room I'm doing bed to another He does it his way I do it my way You know Yeah That makes it easy

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And you know the thing you get the most thought for is so infuriating when it's not like part of your being. Yeah. But I don't know how many times I can correct it before. I kind of just accepted that that's going to be my label. Right. So they reached out. You don't interview. So I always say this like the word interview is wrong, which bothers me.

Yeah. It's not like you applied. No, no, no. So they reached out to me years ago. It wasn't even married yet. Years on Instagram. And I was super into it. I did the Zoom.

I was like, this would be amazing. And at the time I was doing like super cool work that I think I could have posted about more. Now I wouldn't post about it because it was through the court system. But at the time it felt like I was like, I'm going to bring awareness to all this stuff. And they didn't choose me. I do think I was too young. Like it was really young. I was in my like mid-20s.

Yeah. And then they circled back, I want to say like four or five years, maybe six years ago. Okay. And I got on the call with the producer and I love her. and I was like, listen, I'm not a candidate. My marriage is ending and I'm going to send you a list of friends. So I still have the text. Like, I'm always like, if you guys want, I can post the text.

I told them I'm not a candidate. And I said, like, there's no long game. I said, I'm not a candidate now or ever because, like, my mental health was, like, really bad when they circled out. And so, like, it was like my grandma had stage four cancer. I was taking care of her. My marriage was ending. And, like, none of my friends even knew.

yet. It's not like I had told anyone. It's like when you find out something awful and you're just like, how am I going to? And my best friend was dealing with stage four cancer who also passed away. She's one of my bridesmaids. And I was like, I think I'm having like a nervous breakdown actually. Yeah. That's a lot. Which maybe in essence made me seem a little more interesting. She's like, well, we'd love to hear about that. Tell us about your trauma. Which I swear I'm not. Everyone's like, she's so strategic. Like I swear I wasn't strategizing through my, you know, not eating or sleeping. But yeah, I just I texted her. Her name was Dawn. She's amazing. She worked with one of the people. And I was like, listen, I am not there. And I sent her a list of my friends names. But it wasn't like, you know, I always hear the word 17 times, which I wish I didn't use on the show now because I literally labeled myself. Like 17 is just a number that people throw out. I know 17 all the time. And it's like, that's like, that's the frustrating part of TV though, because you have to be so cognizant. If you say something ridiculous, it will be held against you. Oh, absolutely. But now I'm kind of like whatever. I wear it with pride. Like all my comments like because I do I, I,

which I say this, I've said it four times now already, but like I read all my Instagram comments because like I'm not a big to do on Instagram. I don't have like millions of followers. So like I see the notification, right? So like if I post something in the comments are like, well, maybe we do need her on RHOC. And then they'll be like fighting in my comments. Like no, she's awful. And I'm like, oh, I did this. You know, I'm like, I did this. Right. Were you a fan of the show when you had spoken to them? Did you watch it at all? I watched it growing up. So like I, again, like I was born there.

So my friend Ashley's mom was on the first season. Oh, right. Yeah. And so like I've always known everyone on it. Like it's like you know Orange County. It's kind of like I don't want to say like less special. But it's like you get it's like living in LA. It's like less special.

It's not like this big like. Yeah. Because you know people on shows. So like I had always known a bunch of the girls on it. And I stopped watching. So my friend, Nuella did it. Okay. And I watched some of her season.

And then I kind of just stopped watching because I was like tired and I had a kid. And you know, when you're like busy. I feel you. I'm just, I'm just behind. But like obviously I think it's amazing. Yeah. I know. I'm not watching this season.

And it's fun for me because they're like at all the places. Yeah. I know. It's like watching a show in L.A. You're like, oh. And like, I don't know. They were supposed to film at Salty Horse the season. But then they didn't.

They should. But another show did. So I'm excited to see that. Oh. Yeah. So when the show, did they just. reach out to you via DM or did someone like recommend you? So this guy Matt Solomon DM me.

Okay. I don't think so. He used to DM me. But slid in the DMs and was like, hey, do you want to be on our show? Yeah. I was like, I'll do the Zoom. I've got nothing going on. Did any of the friends you recommend make it on to the show?

No. They've never. So this is the weird, peculiar part. When they reach out, like they've reached out to me a few times over the years. Like random producers. Like, I don't like, I think they see like a group of women. Like, that looks interesting. Yeah.

But so I don't think I'm special in that capacity. I want people to know that. Like I think they DM everyone. Like they DMed. So Jen, who's on the show now, like she used to teach our yoga's on the beach. And I remember hearing they reach out to her and I was like, that's so random. I hope she gets it. Like, I think they reach out to everyone.

I'm not like shading her, by the way. It's just like. No, no. But I always used to send them like, who did I send them? I sent them the coolest list of women. Okay. So I send them Leah, Leah, Leah, Kenny, Lena, Christina. like I send them like all these women with like these cool fabulous lives who are like doing crazy stuff like

No, that whole friend group that we have in Orange County every woman in that friend group. I'm like I mean how is that not already? No and I'm like one of them is like there's always a crazy thing where it's like it's stranger than fiction like and one of them went through a divorce and wrote a book and is doing this like world tour and one of them owns all these incredible med spots. She's just opening one in Beverly Hills and she's like a boss. and one of them is like back in school getting her law degree. And then we'll have these crazy parties. They're always themed. Yeah. So I'm like,

this would be great. Oh, no. Always. Every time I see you and Elaine are always like a different themed party. And so now it's so funny filming the Valley. And I don't know if people, other people do this on the show. But I look at everything I do now with like a producer's eye where I'm like, oh my gosh, I need a camera crew here.

Like we went, I was telling Alex, we went to this dinner party in December. And like, I can't name names of who was there. But like all the parents were like, I think they took like. like mushrooms, like gummy mushrooms. It was like a black tie. And like there was like arguing and fighting and then someone was doing like it was so chaotic. And I was like that dinner party could have been a whole season. Exactly. Of a show like and I was sober. I remember I came soberly. And I was like this like this needs to be on TV. But like people don't want to be on TV. That's the thing. I know. Because then it's like, well, you're not going to act like that necessarily

if the whole world is watching. So I'm traumatized. Like I'm like, same. I'll sign up. Like normal healthy people are not like, I want to be on TV. Yeah. No. I do think it would be interesting. But they're doing a show for everything in Orange Show.

Yeah. Like each month I hear like they're doing one show they just filmed. I think it's going to be on Lifetime. And it's like Christian moms in the community. Oh. Yeah. There's a lot. There's the new Mormon wives.

There's selling the O.C. I like that one. I watched the Mormon mom show. Oh. I just watched it all like on a bend. Gotcha. So that their new season is coming up. Yeah, that's why I watched it.

They have the spin-off in Orange County. So if they seem a little on edge, 30 Mormon wives shows deep. Watching the first episode, who was your favorite, or the first season? I like Taylor and Whitney. Okay. I like, I think they're both, like, leading oras. Yeah. I always look at people, like, their aura.

Agreed. And now in the most recent one, I feel, I still feel that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no. Whitney, I mean, for her from season one to now, like the glow up and everything. Yes. I like her husband. And now he's, I've heard on Dancing with the Stars, right? Yeah, he did. He just did an off-Broadway show. Now they're putting him on the next season of Dancing with the Stars. Oh, see, I would watch that. And I don't even watch Dancing with the Stars, but I would see on like TikTok her dances and I was like voting. Yeah. No, she's incredible. I've met her. She's so sweet. Yeah. Nice. Okay. I don't know if that's unpopular. like a deep. Well, I mean, Taylor, yeah, that can be a hot take right now. But I think she's wounded though. I think so too. I don't know what happens by enclosed doors, but I know. And that's the

thing. It's like you see when a camera picks up what happened before there was a camera. You know, what happened before he was recording her. And this is again, I'm not a doctor. So I'm not diagnosing. I see a lot of like, it looks to me like reactive. Yeah. I think so too. So like I've been there in my life where people are like mad at me for my reaction. to something and I'm like, well, you didn't see what happened before. Yeah. So I don't know. But again, I don't know anything.

Has your perception of reality TV changed? Not really. I mean, I don't really have a perception. But like when you watch shows, do you think differently? Not really. I mean, aside from the Mormon moms, I don't watch like much reality TV. Yeah. I like the Beverly Hills Housewives.

Mm-hmm. But other than that, it's not airing right now. I'm still not through the last one. But I think it's, I think I already thought it was nuanced. Yeah. I don't like look at reality TV where I put like that person's the villain and that person's the winner and like that's all good and that's all bad. I think it's like it's such a short part of real life. It's entertainment.

Yeah. For sure. But I'm getting through Vanderpump Rules. What season are you on? I'm on season one. Oh. But I know. I always say this too.

Like I know it all because memes. Right. Like I get all the information. Memes. Like I know. Scandible. Yeah. I know that he cheated on her, the friend, and the one girl is the style.

Wow. You're in for a journey if you just started. But I started it with Jesse. And this was when we started the Valley because we watched the Valley air together. Yeah. And that's when we started having like hiccups in our relationship because I was like, who's this person? But I was like, let's start Vanderpump because he's like, well, Jack stated this girl

Stasi and she, he did this. So we started watching it. I remember like we got to episode two and he's in this like sweater. And it's not only- sweater in Vegas. No, it's not in Vegas. He's in an apartment. And it's inside out and like ripped.

Like his clothes are just falling apart. And I was like, this is, I would never want my early 20s video. Yeah. Like jail. There'd be no, there'd be no like, shame to sparkle. I'd be like, listen, just forgive me for my problematic behavior. Because in your early 20s, you're like, we were at Ladoo. We were like smoking cigarettes in the alley.

Tell me about it. I just. found on a little mini DVD, my 23rd birthday at Ladoo. Yeah, I was there. Let me bring in a camcorder. But I have like a full 20 minutes of a club night at Ladoo. Yeah, I have some, I have just some memories where I'm like, but then it's like, I'm happy.

It's better to get it out of your system in your 20s and have like, 100%. Because then you don't have the breakdown at 50 and like, leave your family. Yeah. Yeah. Lamborghini. No. do ecstasy or something i don't know like what men do it like cliche right but i find it so fun to watch because i'm like oh my god i know and then there was a scene it's like christin's yelling at lisa

oh yeah love that i like the whole thing is great yeah christin's great if you could design the next five years without worrying about what anybody expects from you what does lacey nicole's life and career look like oh like just free pass I would just be in Aspen for the next five years. I love being in the mountains or like Deer Valley. I love that. We go every year to both. I know.

I still haven't been to Aspen. Oh my gosh. I was trying to like casual us all to go last year and like no one listened to me because like I know say. But I just like always throwing things. You know if you throw enough things. Yeah. But I love being in the mountains. Like I love being.

Something about like I don't know if it's where it's at. I've never done those. Okay. I're supposed to be. I love that. Like I love skiing. I love the snow. I love the.

the lakes in the winter or in the summer, I like, my nervous system is like calm there. Yeah. And then I come back home and I'm like, ah, right? So. I know. What part of yourself would you say you are still working on? All of myself. I'm always changing things.

I think that that's actually my favorite thing about me. I'm always trying to change. Not in like a weird way, but I know, you're supposed to change. You're supposed to change your mind on things. Totally. There are so many things that I was like ingrained in that are different about me now. And I like that. Yeah.

And like when someone says like they don't recognize you, it's like, that's a compliment. Oh, I think that's a huge compliment because it means that you've been able to have like enough neuroplasticity to change a belief or something about you that you're caring. Like I always say like the worst parts of me are things that I've adapted to to survive at a young age. Right. So like the people pleasing, the over explaining, the insolining. the insecurities, the physical insecurities. Like, am I pretty enough? Am I good enough?

Well, this guy like me, like all those things you have to drop as you get older because they're not benefiting you anymore. You adapt to them for something that you don't need. Yeah. So even like little beliefs I used to have, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm so different now on that. I'm always like proud of myself. No, same.

Same. Same. Right now, what are you checking in on with yourself? Checking on. That's such like a therapy question. I know. Oh my gosh. Checking in on. Mostly my health. My health has been really bad again for like a year. I fell last April in my living room. I think I keep thinking about posting. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. The video is so crazy. I feel like if I TikTok posted it would go viral because you hear my ribs break. Do it. Oh, no. So I fell and I broke a bunch of ribs that I got something called a paracartal effusion. Oh. So it's like I hit my heart so hard that like built fluid around it. And ever. And ever. since then. And it's like every year I have one weird health thing. It's like the universe telling me to like cut my shit and be healthy because I'm really not healthy. Like low key like I don't eat healthy.

I don't like drink water. I hate water. And so I'm trying to like be more in tune with like cooking meals and like not getting fast food and like taking vitamins. Because I used to be so on top of it and then I just lost it. Yeah. Okay. And so like I don't want to be someone where like I'm seeing the cardiologist now once a month and he's like you really have to get your MPO down and this and I'm like yeah and like I think the realization of like we're not indestructible is kind of hitting me because like I'm leaving here to physical therapy like my back hurts my body hurts and I'm like less flexible and like if we're walking I'm out of breath a little and I'm like oh okay I got to be aging it's so fun yeah but I'll get it back yeah okay so one last thing I want to end on a light note and do a quick wrap

fire of the last things that you've done. Okay. So first thing that comes to mind, the last show you binged. I guess you're currently binging. I'm always binging desperate housewives. Oh, I love that. Like, before bed, I just put it on the TV. And then I stop at the last season because the dad dies, spoiler.

So, like, I rewatch the first seven on a, it's like on a constant loop in my house. The last song or album you actually paid for versus streamed. I pay for all my music. Like, I buy it on Apple. Yeah. Do you have, like, the monthly, like, 999 Apple music? No, I just buy each song I like. Oh.

I bought Chapel Rhone, like, last week the subway. I like that. And I have a playlist. Yeah, I do too. Last thing you Googled. Oh, Dolly Parton birthday. Aw. Last Instagram account.

I wanted to know if she was a Virgo or a Capricorn. Oh, okay. Yeah. She's a cap. That's a good thing to Google. What was the last Instagram? Instagram account you stocked. Probably yours because I was coming here.

How about the last thing you bought that you absolutely did not mean? You know who it is? Joey, this guy Joey. I don't know. Joey Zousig. Okay. He's like a funny blogger and I, we were DMing about, I was trying to like connect him with my friend.

Oh, okay. So I was screenshoting his picture. Deep dive on him. I like it. I was sending him what he looks like to my friend. Yeah. For sure. Okay, good friend.

What was the last thing you bought that you absolutely did not need? Shoes yesterday. Last text you sent. Imagine it's just like the worst thing ever. To my nanny. The last thing that made you genuinely laugh out loud. Oh my God, I don't know. I need a belly laugh more.

I don't laugh enough. Like I really don't know. Last person you unfollowed or muted. I don't really unfollow people. Okay. I really don't. I don't know about me either. I love muting people.

I don't, I really, I mean, if somebody like really royally pisses me off, I just block them, but I can't remember the last person, to be honest. That's good. What about the last compliment you received that actually stuck with you? I also don't know. I got actually, I got a really nice DM from someone yesterday. we were helping a woman through our foundation. And then I gave her my number, which I really don't usually do that. And she sent me a really nice message. And I was crying because it was like such a small little help like for me. And I know it meant a lot to her. And it wasn't it wasn't really a compliment to me. But it was kind of a gratitude thing. Yeah. And it was really special. I love that. Then this might be that answer too. The last time you felt really proud of yourself. I mean, probably that. Yeah. I think those little things. we can do for other people.

And like, again, I think we're in like such a time right now, which is fine. Like, we should all share things and be proud of ourselves. But like those little moments you have where like nobody knows what's really going on. Right. Are really special. Yeah. Because they're just like sacred to you, right? Like.

Yeah. Was the last thing your daughter did that made you think, oh shit. She's definitely my child. Every day. The Euro trip. The dance. I'm dancing on the table. Dancing on the table.

You know, I've never met a table. I don't want to dance on. Right. I, she loves to dance on the table. I love it. Which sounds awful. But if you're in the south of France, that's like what you do. Yeah.

She's not, she's not moonlighting. But yeah. Okay, just a few more. The last thing. We did do something I'm proud of actually. That's not at all related to like helping others. But we went to the abbey like two weeks ago. And so like I peaked at like 21.

Like I always tell people this. I know I'm self-aware. I lived my, I lived my dreams at an early age. So I'm always trying to get back to that when I go out. So we went to the abbey with like my family and my cousins and a bunch of the guys like Zach. And we were all sitting there and I kept having this intrusive thought where I was like, what if we like never were here again? Like what are we doing?

And so I don't know why. And maybe it was I took a shot of tequila. But I was like, I'm going to do a plank at the abbey because I bet you no one in like the history of the abbey has done a plank at the table. And everyone was like, what are you doing? And we were like planking. And I was like, this is hilarious. And like this is my lore.

And we were all laughing about it for a few days. That sounds stupid. Last time I went to the Abbey was with you. Oh, yeah. I love the Abbey. Maddie and Zach and Frose. I love the Abbey. I love the Frosé at the Abbey too.

That was really good. That was fun at night. I know. I ran for you that night. Do you remember I did a full sprint? Oh my God. That's right. So we were leaving Tom Tom.

We're going to the Abbey. And Zach stopped. There was like a fan, but she was like wearing a sur shirt or something, right? She was a mega fan. But I thought it was like someone who maybe works. at Sir, like coming around the corner going to Tom Tom and then like Zach and her made eye contact and then they stopped to talk. I just keep walking. I think he just knows someone who was like working at sir and whatever. And then it turned out that she was just like a fan who wanted to talk to both of us.

And then she thought that like I was rude. No, she was probably listening to this because she was she was, she knows biggest fan. I felt so bad. And I was like, I will get her for you. That's not her heart. And she was like, no, she walked away. She was so rude. And I was like, no, let me make this right. And I don't run. Like, I don't do cardio ever. And I ran down the street full sprint to Sheena. And I was like, I just did the nicest. I just ran for you.

And you need to go say hi to that lady. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, wait. It's a fan. It's not just like a friend of his. I thought he was just saying hi. And so Maddie and I just like keep walking. I was like, I know that's not her heart.

I would never. So thank you for running after me. And then went back, took picks. And we made her night. That was fun. Okay. Three more. and that's it.

Okay, last thing Jesse did that gave you the ick. Where do I start? I'm so trying to be nicer in my life. But like I have to be true to myself. We, the last thing Jesse did that gave me the ick, he wore like the worst outfit the other day and I was kind of mean about it and then I felt bad after. But sometimes it was like, we were, this was like three weeks ago, actually. We were going to do like a beach pool day with my friends and he had like these neon green loafers on.

with like boating shores, but they were like velvet winter loafers and like, but I like that about him that he's like expresses himself. Yeah. Because I do that. Like I wear some crazy stuff. Yeah. But I was like, you can't wear that. And then we were like arguing in the entryway for 10 minutes. And I was like, I'm, you have to change. Then he finally changed. And then I felt kind of bad. Like he was like sad in the car. Oh. I used to be like that with Brock. He had a very funky style when we first met. And I'm like, some of the loafers. Yeah. It was the loafers. I'm like, They were like, he wore him to a football game.

I'm like, wear your sneakers. But like, they're just so bold. Yeah. But then I'm bold. Like, I know that like. Yeah, we're allowed to be. Projecting. What was the last rumor you heard about yourself that made you laugh?

Rumor about myself. I don't really hear rumors about myself. I kind of get the same few. Yeah. Housewife, 17 times white chicks. Great movie. I get like the same few. You know what I mean?

Like there's never anything like they're always kind of the same mean ones. Finally, what was the last thing you did purely for it yourself? Oh my gosh. Probably buying a purse yesterday. I shouldn't have bought it. I don't know. I am proud I'm going to the physical therapist regularly. Yeah.

Good. I have like really bad. So I have scoliosis and kifosis. So it's like you're like I'm always kind of like crooked. and I've been putting it off for two years, like to go to the physical therapist. And so I finally go regularly. And every single week, I'm not kidding. I've been going for like six weeks.

Every week I'm going to cancel the morning up. Like all morning I'm like, I got to cancel. I'm too busy to go do this. And then I've not canceled. So that's. Good. I know. Proud of you.

It sounds stupid, but it's like important. Yeah. No, it is. You got to take care of your help. I'm like hunch to the side. At the end of every episode, we end with the jack's hole. And then we give. flowers. Do you have anyone you would like to name a jack's hole this week? You know, I've been

your jack's hole. What? Yeah. That's she? I have. Okay. Well, now you get the honor of naming one. What a full circle moment. Right? I've had Zach on the podcast post jack's hole as well. Oh my God. So you're not alone. I've never actually, that was probably the most offensive thing to me out of it all. I was like, I'm her jacks hole. I had to like learn what it was. No. But like, Apologies. Look at us. Look at us. Jack's whole, can I say Dolly Parton dying? I was like devastated. I was bawling. You can make it me. It's okay. No. I'm just laughing because I've been it and now I'm here. Talk about full circle. Talk about full circle. Growth. Yeah. Who's yours? I wish I came prepared. Yeah. I was kind of struggling with one this week as well. I guess mine would be, I don't know, mother nature for the devastation coming out of Nepal and Tibet. Yeah. That's very trying. Those videos are flooding and I know, terrible. So many lives have been lost.

So many people still missing and just communities devastated. So I would say that my jacks hole goes to Mother Nature. Fair. Mm-hmm. But my flowers this week are not only going to go to you. Oh, my God. You deserve them. But also to everyone who is having conversations happening around maternal mental health.

I think it is just, it's so important. It's obviously, it's like I hate the heart. heartbreaking circumstances and trauma that have brought these conversations into focus, but I am grateful they're happening. I think it needs to happen more. I don't think people should be silenced when it comes to talking about these things and feel shame and whatnot. I just think the more openly we talk about things like PPD, anxiety, OCD, and psychosis, you know, the more women will be able to recognize what they're experiencing or recognize it in someone else they love and just know that help is available. I think that when it comes to motherhood, you know it can already

feel extremely isolating at times and no one should feel ashamed or alone because their experience doesn't look the way that they thought it would. So my flowers go to you and everyone else speaking up, sharing resources, creating community and just helping make conversations feel a little less taboo. That's so awful. I'm so sad we didn't get to talk about. your OCD. I had it in my mind. I wanted to talk to you about that. That's okay. I'll just come on your podcast to talk about it. Are you watching Lindsay's trial? I'm following it. Yes. I've been like following it. Yeah. I got in a little late to it. I had people reaching out after the OCD conference and they're like, are you following this? And I was like, wait, what is this? I'm like, I'm too invested.

Yeah. Now I'm in it. I read that the husband is like mad at Lisa Rena. I'm like on her side. What? I just don't think, I mean, there were so many. opportunities for that not to be the outcome. Yeah. I'll be it whatever way you look at it. Totally. So, and it's like a magnifying glass. This is one of thousands.

Yeah. Hundreds and thousands of women who are dismissed by medical physicians. And then the outcome is so grim. And then the woman is blamed. Mm-hmm. So. Yeah. I hate the trial.

I'm up at like 5 a.m. on CNN. I'm like, I got to see this. Well, thank you for being here. I know we had a rocky start to our friendship. But I'm glad we've come around. I actually, you know, sorry to interrupt you. No. I'm just working on that.

We did have a rocky start, but I also think it's a testament to you that like you can have a rocky start with someone and you are so protective over your friends. And I think that's a good quality to have. And that we got to have such a beautiful discussion where you were like, which I know I've said and I don't I don't remember if it's ever posted or not. But like for you to be like, you know what? Maybe I gave you. an unfair criticism and I was feeling this way and I could validate how you were feeling and you

could validate how I was feeling. Like that's like the goal in life as women, right? Yeah. I've always enjoyed every single time we've hung out. Like even to the point where a couple years ago, it's like, I felt guilty enjoying my time with you because I'm like, no, Michelle is my friend. I can't like Lacey. And it's like every time my mom is around, you just like, I just love Lacey. You're so lucky. Everyone loves you. So I love you. Well, not everyone, but we do. have a lot of fun. Well, there's not many people I would tell all my dating lore too. Like, obviously you have that aura because like I don't trust a lot of people. Yeah. I don't talk candidly to a lot of people. And I never meant to use that to like weaponize that against you. I was just like,

Jesse at the time, I didn't like him and I just wanted to hit him where it hurt. And listen, I'm now only one decimal away from the Hoff. So like whatever. Like it's, I mean, it's not that blocked by David Hasselhoff. Seriously, Lacey O.C., Lacey Nicole, thank you for being here. This is so fun. Thank you for having me. Cheers. Thanks for listening to shenanigans with Shea.

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