Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Catching an A-Lister’s Eye & Exposing a Mormon Lie

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

Kiki and Jared are back in the studio with Scheana, and this might be the Mormon version of the Boston Tea Party as some serious tea gets spilled this week! With Scheana’s name getting brought up amid the ongoing “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” drama, what does she have to say about it all? What insight does she have about Marciano’s shocking revelation in the finale? And what really went down that night at TomTom? Plus, after catching the eye of a VERY famous singer in NYC last weekend, did Scheana cash in a hall pass? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Co-Hosts: @thetalkofshame @jaredlips BUY MY BOOK!!!MY GOOD SIDE is available for Pre-Order now at www.mygoodsidebook.com The video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, May 23rd. Episode Sponsors:Sign up now and join the over 14 million all-time customers who have already saved and invested over $25 billion dollars with Acorns. Head to acorns.com/goodasgold or download the Acorns app to get started.Go to boncharge.com and use coupon code GOODASGOLD to save 15%.Shop a huge selection of outdoor furniture online. This summer, get outside with Wayfair. Head to Wayfair.com right now.Don’t miss the new season of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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They don't have any Fast and Furious, but if they did, I'd be going to see that. Yeah. What are they on? We saw Sinners? Yes. Twice. Fast and the Furious is on what, like 11, 12 now? 14, yeah. Who knows? Oh my gosh.

I can't believe that. So one of my first jobs I ever was an extra in was Fast and the Furious 2 when I was a teenager. Really? Yes. Oh wait, can I go see it? I need to, I love Fast and the Furious. It's like I'm in the background. It was all green screen stuff.

So it was during one of the races. It was on New Year's Day and Paul Walker was supposed to be there, and he didn't show up, and I was gutted. I'd be too. Yeah. RIP. That one hit me. You know, it's like when a celebrity who you don't know personally dies, like, that was one. Him and Mac Miller.

That got me. Well, especially when they're hot. You just are just like, oh. Hot and young, and it's like a whole mixture of, like, emotions. they're hot, you just are just like, oh. Hot and young. So hot and young. And it's like a whole mixture of emotions. But Paul Walker, we grew up with him. And how he died? Like, wild.

Yeah, so sad. Rest in peace. But how have your weeks, weekends been? What day is it? What time zone am I in? I don't know. I feel like the last time I saw you was at your birthday party.

Yeah, that's the last time I've seen you too. And that was like, and then you've been. I've traveled the entire country. And then you were like, oh, I have to leave this birthday to go get on a plane or something. Yeah. I'm like, OK, so I did. I podcasted while in New York. I'm like, where was the last time I was here? OK, so we had my 40th birthday. Death to the 30s.

Yes. The next day I flew to Vegas to go to my friend's wedding. And then we flew back Saturday morning on the first flight from Vegas, like 6 a.m. flight. That's a rough flight. Yeah. I know. But I didn't drink the night before, like at all. I'm supposed to be on vocal rest right now because I'm recording my audio book all week. So I'm not doing a good job of that.

Other than this, I will be shutting the fuck up for the rest of the day But after we get back we had to take the first flight because we were touring a new school for summer And that had been set up already So we come back we go tour this new school then she had her jujitsu belt ceremony that day Oh my god that night we flew to New York for up front. Oh, my gosh. And that night, we flew to New York for Upfronts. Oh, yes. So, Brock and I were there for three days, and then we had the Bravo Bravo F'ing Bravo show that we did with Shamia, obsessed with her.

By the way... Love her. She's gonna be here in a couple weeks. So, when she's here for the BET Awards, we're gonna get into some shenanigans with her. I love that. Yeah. Because, I mean, there's a lot going down. I mean, from just this week's episode.

I mean, crazy. I need to catch up. I'm behind on everything right now. I'm behind on life. I'm like, yeah, what day is it? Wait, were you, so for the upfronts, were you on the stage when they did that whole routine? Yes.

Okay, what were you holding? I was pink. I was the heels, the pump it up group with Tamra Gina Vanita and Molly I Think that was maybe it. I think it was just the five of us. Okay. Yeah, so we did that That was so much fun. It just hung out with everyone. It felt like a mini Bravo con It was a great prequel to Bravo con. Little pre-party, everyone staying at the same hotel. We were at the nicest hotel.

It's called, I don't know if it's the lot or the lotty, L-O-T-T-E, lot, New York Palace. It's like the Plaza Hotel. Insane. And I don't know if we just got lucky with the upgrade because Tamara and I were sharing glam. And so we were getting ready in her room. And when I went from my massive suite that had a full living room,

I go to Tamara's room and I was like, oh, that's just like a connecting door. That's not like the rest of your room. You were like that Hillary Clinton meme when you were like, oh, this is how you live. You know, you feel like the housewives are usually with the bigger room.

So I'm like, maybe because it's Brock and I sharing a room, we got the upgraded room. But then Shamia was like, nah, I got that same room too. Thanks, Bravo. So while we had this massive room, it was the NBA playoffs. And so we had people over to watch the game and Tamara came up to the room with Gina and she's like,

the fuck? I'm like, I told you we should have done glam in here. That's hilarious. So that was just so fun. Cause like when you get a bunch of Bravo people back in the hotel room at like the end of the night together, that's what we do at BravoCon. That's what got me in trouble at the last BravoCon.

Cause I was talking to Captain Jason in Tom Sandoval's room and I'm like, everyone was there, but that was so much fun. So I get back Wednesday. I don't even remember what I did Wednesday. I think summer has dance on Wednesdays usually. But then Thursday, Janet and I had a photo shoot for something very exciting coming out next month.

It's gonna be Trey Iconique. Yes, Jared was there for it. Oh, OK. And so we have that photo shoot. And then I have to get home, unpack to repack because my mom and I were flying to Boston Thursday night. We took a red eye. We went to Fenway, saw the Red Sox play.

I've always wanted to go to a game at Fenway. Just being a baseball girl growing up, that's always been one of the ones've always wanted to go to a game at Fenway. Just being a baseball girl growing up, that's always been one of the ones that I wanted to go to. So we do that. And then the next morning we had the International OCD Foundation charity walk. So we did that. I was holding the tape that, you know, the walk starts and they break through the tape. And after that, we then flew to New York for the Saturday Night Live 50 year season finale show. And after party. Who was at the after party?

Everyone. Oh my God. Okay, I don't know if I can say this, but Bad Bunny was giving your girl the up and down. Every time I turned around, his eyes were on me and I was like, this is kind of making me uncomfortable I feel like I can't turn around because he would not stop staring at me Oh my god has he now been added to your hall pass will probably not I'm not allowed

Everyone that night they were like I mean this could be a hall pass. It wasn't premeditated I was like he's not on the way, you know too many famous people to have a hall pass Also, is he still with Kendall? No, okay. He's not I was like, I'm not on the list. You know too many famous people to have a hall pass. Also, is he still with Kendall? No, he's not. He's not. I was like, I'm not trying to get involved in that. My mom's like, he probably thinks you look like one of the sisters. But then they're like, I was just naturally dancing. And then I realized, I was like, oh shit, this is his song.

So I'm just standing there shaking my ass to his song. Oh my god. And my mom and then like my group, it was my friend Anthony and, like, all of the gays, they're at the table next to me, and they were just like, Sheena, I'm like, I see it, okay? I'm like, Mom, hide my ring. I'm kidding, totally kidding. But, yeah, he would not stop staring at me.

Oh, my God. So I was like, do we relocate? I don't know. But everyone was there, like... You know he's like one of the top five singers in the world? Like, he's, like, listed above Taylor Swift, like... Yeah, he's like one of the top five singers in the world. Like, he's like listed above Taylor Swift, like... Yeah, no, that music is huge. I know, global superstar. And he's so sexy, the way he...

He's like such an unassuming type of sexy. Yeah. Oh, my God. And we know you like Puerto Rico now, but I'm just saying, like, maybe... Absolutely, look, if single Sheena was at the SNL after party, 100%. Swinging Sheenaena maybe. Right?

No, no, no. But it was funny. So then, yeah, that happened. And then we have a 6 a.m. flight again that I had to leave the after party early. And early was 4 a.m. for my flight. The party's still fully going on. Wow. Then they have the after party, which I guess was,

I haven't told Janet this yet, but I hear that they do do it annually. It's like Michael Che's birthday, but then, or maybe it was just his birthday this year, but then they were going to Dave and Buster's for the after party. Oh no. Then there's the after party at like the underground club.

It goes till the sun comes up. So I had to leave the first party early. I didn't get to do Dave and Busters. I didn't get to do the after after party. I'm like next year. Did you stay late with Gaga? When you went with the Gaga show? I was there until the sun came up.

I was yeah at the after party. So you got to experience the. Yes. So Bowen was like, wait, you're not coming to the after afters with us. It's at the same place as last time. I was like, honey, I gotta leave this to the after afters with us. It's at the same place as last time. I was like, honey, I got to leave this early to go get on a flight. First flight.

So didn't sleep. Obviously we go straight from the after party. I pay like $400 for this hotel room, just to drop our bags and change. I honestly could have just done that in a bathroom, probably at 30 rock and save some money because there was no sleeping. So we get back to the hotel, just zip our bags, get straight into the car, go to the airport. I napped a little bit on the plane,

but the second we landed, we have 20 minutes at home to get summer ready for her rock band performance at El Cid. So then we go to Silver Lake for her rock band performance, lunch with our friends after, and then straight back in the car to go to San Dimas for my aunt's celebration of life, which great to see the family, wish it was a different reason. She's running around with her cousins and whatnot.

I was like nodding off driving there. I'm on my second Celsius now of the day. I'm like, this is not good for my heart. Like I just exhausted. So I get home last night and I have my cousin from New York, my Dutch cousin who was here for the, but cause we were with him in Holland and she's like, wait, don't you live in Holland?

And he's like, well, no, I live in New York. She's like, but you're Dutch. I'm like, he was with us in Holland, but he lives in New York. And so he stayed with us last night. And we had a plan to do the sauna together, then jump in the pool for a cold plan, just have a nice reset. It's eight p.m. Summer's getting ready to get in the bath.

I'm like, I just need five minutes. I'm just going to lay my head down. I need to take a nap. I was like, Brock, I have to finish watching Mormon Wives tonight. I have stuff to just get prepped for the podcast that I cannot fall asleep right now. I just need a five-minute nap. I need to close my eyes. It's like okay. So I'm like don't be nice and let me fall asleep because you know I'm tired. So then Summer's like no mommy come upstairs, come upstairs. I'm like okay. So I make it upstairs. He's putting her in the bath. I lay on my bed and then after she gets out of the bath she she's like, Mom, I'm like, OK, 10 more minutes of a nap. So I lay down with her.

I at nine p.m. I was like, no, I'm just going to go to bed. I crawl myself back into my own bed. Don't even do my skin care routine. I think I brushed my teeth. Can't be certain. And then I lay down and I was just like, pull my contacts out. Didn't even plug in my phone. And then I woke up and I was just like, uh, pulled my contacts out, didn't even plug in my phone,

and then I woke up at 7.20 this morning. The longest I slept in... I am exhausted. Yeah. This is the human form of the Lady Gaga plane. Yeah, exactly. Tour, concert, another plane. Like, holy shitake.

That is so much. It truly was. I'm like, I always have a high social battery. You do. Yeah, it's fascinating. But I feel like I need to recharge it, catch my breath. I'm like, do you have that gene? You know, they just, I was like, I think I have that gene where I can recharge with just four hours of sleep. Because like, do you need a lot of sleep or do you recharge pretty quickly?

I recharge quickly, but my voice does not. Okay. So starting tomorrow, I recharge quickly, but my voice does not. Okay. So starting tomorrow, I was supposed to start my audio book today and I'm like, I need a day off. I need to record my podcast. I don't want to go do audio book all day after this crazy week of travel, then do an evening podcast like I'm going to be shot for the rest of the week.

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on all the Mormon wives like I did, because that was pretty much what I was occupied with most of the weekend. I know. And I was thinking about it because, like I love your birthday parties because they are, they're like my mini BravoCon. And I was like, I'll look at pictures later and I was like, oh, they were there?

Oh, I didn't even know. But I did see that Demi and Brett had showed up. And then I was like looking around, I didn't know if Jesse had come or not, only because I've started to see her now on like different podcasts, like name dropping you. And I was like, was she at the party? She was not.

She was invited. She was supposed to be in LA that day. But then she asked if Demi was coming. And I said, she's also invited. I know she's going to be in LA that day. And she's like, if there aren't cameras there, don't know if it's a good idea sort of thing. And she ended up having to stay in Utah to film something.

So she actually didn't end up in LA. I don't know if she would have come if she was here knowing Demi was coming as well, but she was invited. Because I'm like now that I've watched the season in my mean spoiler alert, if you haven't watched it, but now that I've watched the season because when Marciano made that whole video about like, oh, I'm not I'm uninvited to the event because a certain Mormon wife doesn't want to know.

I had assumed it was about Demi because there was all that back and forth. But then you get to the final episode, he's sitting down with Layla and he says, I fucked Jesse and I'm like, what in the actual is this? I'm confused now. So like, is he not coming to the party because of her? Which one? So, yeah, she know which one. When he posted that thirsty tick tock and I say thirsty because he also was drinking in it.

He did. Me and Brett were literally at my house for dinner that night. And my friend Cameron had come over as well. And he walks in the door and he was like, do you guys see this? Do you see? And I was like, what? And he this? Do you see? And I was like, what? And he's like, Marciano. And I was like, no, I did not see that. So then me, Brock, to me and Brett

are all seeing that for the first time together. So I had probably even a stronger reaction because I'm seeing her real time reaction. And I'm like, dude, what the F? He's like, and so I messaged him and he's like, what, you don't know which one it's about. Like two of them are in their 30s. It could be, and I was just like, dude, why?

And he's like, I'm trying to get hype for the show. You know, Vanderbilt Village coming back next week, blah, blah, blah. So I have not fully caught up on the season. I downloaded or so I thought all of the episodes while I was at home before my flight to where'd I go? Boston. And I pick all 10 episodes. I'm downloading them. I leave my phone plugged in charging on wi-fi. I get on the plane, which it was a red eye. I needed to sleep anyways. None of them fucking downloaded. I'm like, what the hell? Did I have to leave the Hulu app open?

I don't know why, but none of them downloaded. Oddly, it was like, I think one of them did, and it was like season two, episode five, and season one, episode one. I was like, why are these here? So I didn't watch it. Then first night in Boston, after the Red Sox game, I watched episode one on the flights to New York.

I watched episode two on my flight back from New York. I start watching episode three and I fell asleep. So I'm behind. However, after hearing that Marciano popped up at the end, I have only watched half of episode three and then I watched the last five minutes of episode 10. So because, I mean, I'm not in contract with Hulu. I have no NDA signed.

I can say whatever the fuck I want, but out of respect for all of the viewers who are left on that cliffhanger, I don't want to reveal too much because I know a lot. But I will say that what Marciano said to Leila, verbatim, is what he told me and what he also told Demi when the three of us had a FaceTime call together. Oh, not a FaceTime call that night at TomTom, which was like all over Reddit, Bravo and I saw that and I was like, because you were at that time. Like this was like supposedly Jesse and him were making out at TomTom. I did not see them making out. OK, they were, however, all over each other, very, very flirty.

I saw a fan picture of them holding hands or a video or something like from one of those far away videos. He said that she jumped through her legs around his waist and like was all over. And I'm just like... She did. I literally was standing right next to him. And I was like, damn, I don't greet him with hugs like that. What I'm saying, like, how did we get... So, like, what went down in the like, damn, I don't greet him with hugs like that. I'm saying like, how did we get like, so like what went down in the villa?

Yeah. To like how from the villa now she's like jumping. Was Jordan there? Did you see her jump? Oh, it was just me and Brock. So Marciano was in town with us that weekend. We were all going to this Equinox event at the Porsche dealer where they take you in the cars and drive you around we did yoga Jesse Metcalf was there Wait you have a book coming out? Yeah, it's called my good side available for pre-order now at my goodsidebook.com

So and then Jesse was in town to do my podcast. Jessie Metcalf or Jessie? Sorry, Jessie from Mormon Wives. Okay. Sorry, I'm still thinking about the garden from Jesper Howe's wife. So we're all, you know, and she was like, oh my God, I haven't seen Marciano since Villa. I would love to see him. Like, let's all do something. So we go to Sir, we go to Tom Tom. And yes, very flirty at TomTom.

We do the Porsche event together the next day, and then we all went to Giggly Squad together. And while we were at Giggly Squad, it was Brock, me, Jesse or Marciano, Jesse or Marciano, I forget which one I was technically sitting next to, and then my sister. And then after the Giggly Squad show, my sister was like,

what's going on with Marciano and Jesse? I was like, what do you mean? And she goes, his hand was on her thigh the entire show. And I was like- Quirk clock that shit. Interesting. And so then I'm thinking about the night before, I don't know how much I can say you guys.

Okay, so- I mean, we've already started. I mean, look, we're waist deep. Let's submerge. He... Because he said that that happened, right? Yeah. So, I'll say this. That night after TomTom, we all went back to Jesse's hotel room, the four of us.

We were literally on FaceTime with Jordan. We were just like, oh my God, we just had such a fun night. Like, wish you were here sort of thing. It was... They were flirty, but that's how Marciano is. He's like that, oh, my God, we just had such a fun night. Like, wish you were here sort of thing. It was they were flirty. But that's how Marciano is. Yeah. He's like that with most of my friends, but it's usually not in across the line in appropriate way. He is very touchy. He is. I mean, he's like that with me.

You know what I mean? Like, he's like very and it's even like disarming as a gay guy with a straight guy. You're like, oh, he's so, you know, like touchy. And you like the shoulder massage or something, he's just, he is like that, but I can promise it's never crossed the line with me or anyone like I'm close with, there's another to me, but it just, yeah.

So, we're in the hotel room. And me too. And then we're leaving. It's now like 3 a.m. We're like, yo, we got this like Equinox, like yoga thing in the next morning. Summer was at my mom's house for the night because we had a full Sunday

and then she was coming back to the house. So Brock and I, Marciano, we're walking out of the room, the door closes, Brock and I get to the elevator and we're like, wait, where's Marciano? And the elevator's there and I'm like, Marciano. And then I'm like, oh shit, it's 3 a.m. I don't want to like yell down the hallway. And I're like, wait, where's Marciano? And the elevator is there and I'm like Marciano. And then I'm like, oh, shit, it's 3am. I don't want to like yell down the hallway. And I'm like, he's coming. Maybe.

I don't know. I thought they already had each other's numbers, but I don't know. So then he ends up coming down in the elevator. And I'm like, and Brock goes, oh, you think they just got one in? And I'm like, no. What are you talking about? We were just on FaceTime with Jordan. Absolutely not. Maybe they were just finishing a conversation or something they didn't wanna say in front of us. I don't know, but no, of course not.

She's married. And I know that Jesse is not in an open marriage. In this marriage, she is not a swinger. So I'm like, no, like, you're just, whatever. We get in the car, go back to my house, and Marciano was just on his phone the entire time. And I'm like, who are, but I'm like, he has girls all over, you know? We get back to the house and he's like, I think I'm gonna go back. And I'm like, okay, excuse me? No, you are not. Brock, livid. He's

like, I swear to God, you go and do that. That is someone else's wife. You're done. Brock goes to bed. And I'm just like, oh my God. And Marciano's like, well, for all I know, she's a swinger, they're open. And I'm like, before you walk out of this door, you message her and you say, is Jordan cool with this? And you confirm that because I don't know.

I've just met her. I don't know her that well. Maybe they are in an open that because I don't know I've just met her I don't know her that well maybe they are in an open marriage I don't know and so he messages her she says something along the lines of like oh yeah definitely haha something that very affirmative was a yes he shows me the text and he's like I'm out and I was like I want no part of this like if she's that's fine. Whatever you do behind closed doors in your own marriage, that's fine by me.

Like it's not my business. So then he comes back to my house at like 7 a.m. And the same way that he told Leila, he says to me. And I'm like, oh, okay, well cool. Now we all get to go do yoga together. We get to yoga and Jessie has an opposite story. And she's like, nothing happened, nothing happened, nothing happened. She says that in front of Marciana or just to you?

Yes. And I'm like... And what is he saying? He's just like going with it. And I'm like, I'm so confused right now. It's not my business, but now you guys have made it my business. You've literally brought it in my house and then left my house with it. Also, I have both of y'all's locations.

I know you have everyone's location, by the way. That's the real mystery of the show. No, I mean, there's I have like so many questions because I mean, Jesse does bring up on the season that she has been in, like, throuple relationships before, so I don't I mean, in her previous marriage. But Jordan and her are, I mean- No, not on Jordan. They don't do that sort of thing.

Right. Okay. So I have Marciano insinuating and alluding to like, yeah, that happened last night. So then Jesse's like, wait, do you think? And I'm like, well, yeah, I do. I'm like, also Jesse, like, I know both of your locations were in the same place.

She goes, no, no, no. He went, saw another girl, didn't want to go back into your house that late in the middle of the night. So since he was in WeHo, he asked if he could come crash in my hotel room, and he just slept on the little, like, couch chair. That's a convoluted frickin' story. And I just said, okay. Yeah, because...

We'll just leave it at that. Because, like, now I'm even... Okay, I'm continually confused because she like went on the Taste of Taylor podcast and I saw her bring you up, but she said that, you know, she, she thinks that you just don't have the full story and that's why you were siding with Demi, but now you're saying you can't, I mean, she's- I've got like four sides to this story.

That's what I'm saying, I feel like you have every story. I've got a little bit of Jessie's, a lot of Marciano's, all of Demi's, and the fucking screenshot I saw. Well, the screenshots never lie, so. But it's a matter of who I want to believe, and at this point I don't know who to believe because Jessie looked me in the eye at yoga that morning. She's like, I swear, Sheena, like nothing happened.

And I'm like, I believe you. Yeah. But then Marciano was telling me something did happen. I'm like, have you ever been lied to though before with someone staring right in your face? Let's see. Raquel, Tom Sandvall. No, not that I can think of. So it's not out of the realm that people are lying to your face though.

Right. I'm not the best judge of character. I love Jesse. I love Marciano. I love Demi. I want to love a toxic man. You do. I attracted to you like fireflies. I know like they can't help themselves. But it's like, you know, I've opened up my home to all three of these people. My daughter has made connections with them. Like Jesse brought her a cute little box of stuff. And then Uncle Marciano, like that's like, he, she loves him. And then when Demi and Brett came over,

like Summer and Demi are just cuddled up on the couch together. And I'm just like, I don't know who to believe, but I do know one person out of them completely changes their story. Okay, T. Interesting. My question is like, what magic does Marciano have in his pants?

Because I feel like every time we hear about him, he's like hooking up with some hot chick, and I'm just like, am I, I mean, like, he's a good looking guy, but am I missing, is he very good in bed? Like, is he? Because he kind of gives me Jack's 2.0 vibes. Right?

No offense, no shame. No, that's not an offense to him, that's a compliment to him. Oh no. But I remind him. Oh no. It's not a compliment. No, that's not an offense to him. That's a compliment to him. I remind him It's not a compliment. No, that's not a compliment. He thinks it is. Oh Interested it's not it's not Yeah, what's going on? Why are why did you see the season one Vanderbilt? Yeah, so that was all I watched of the season because after they filmed that Marciano and Hannah came to my house and they're like

This happened this happened. And so I was like, I'm going to watch the reunion because you guys debriefed me after. Hannah's admitting that like, he's either got a big dick or he's good in bed. And I'm like, girl, always say your ex has a small penis and finishes very quickly. You don't go and tell the world on national television they're good in bed. Well, I know. I mean, because especially, well, especially with all this coming out, because Jesse, because like Jen gets mad at Jesse and she was like, your husband was grinding his little dick on me, and then she wanted to prove that her husband didn't have a small dick.

So she showed a picture of it next to a ruler with next to eight inches. I was like, girl, don't do that, because now people are going to want to go grind on his eight inch. Yeah. What are you doing? How are these mom talks so messy? Oh, it's so messy. So many reasons. I mean, I could write a dissertation, I think.

No, literally. Do you think it starts with the religious upbringing? Yes, I think it starts with that. I think they don't evolve past high school because a lot of them get married right out of high school. And I think they keep that high school mentality. So they stay in that mentality, which is great for a reality show because they just live in that.

And they're all sugared up on soda. Oh, yeah, all that swig. Yeah, they love the sodas. Oh, my God. This is truly so exhausting on so many levels. I know. How do they... No wonder the show's turnaround is so fast. They have to keep it going.

When Marciano started filming, multiple times, he asked if he could give their show runner my info because they wanted me to film because I'm tied into all of this. And I was like, thank you, Bravo, for holding me exclusive because I actually cannot. And then I was like, no, do not give my number, do not give my email. If they want to slide into my DMs, I will never check it. But like here's Mark's info. You can call my manager if you,

but because I know I can't film anyways, but also I'm like, I don't, I didn't want to be involved in any of this. Normally do I have my hands in every pot and am I in the middle of all that? Definitely. Sure. On my own show with my own friend group.

Now you're pulling me into some Hulu drama with someone who was my friend before he was ever on Hulu. I love that people love to tell you things. I know. Like all my dream is to be told things. into some Hulu drama with someone who was my friend before he was ever on Hulu. I love that people love to tell you things. I know. All my dream is to be told things. Like, I don't even want to repeat it. I'm like, just tell me.

I like to know things. Yeah. And so going back even further, when Jesse's like, Sheena doesn't have the whole story. Well, because no, but also, but then Demi was also on Vilephiles, right? And then she brought you up on that and she talked about how the whole groping situation and how Jessie felt like she told us you were a stranger at the time.

Yes. OK, so that's kind of where I was going back to. But the contracts. So, OK, going back further, when Jessie was coming to do my podcast, Demi was supposed to do my podcast with her. They were coming to LA together. And then Jessie tells me, oh Demi's not coming, it's just me. And I was like, oh, okay, that's fine. But like everything okay.

And she's like contract negotiations, this and that. So then I start giving Jessie advice just as a friend. I'm like, okay, well, knowing how the industry is and you know, a second season show, no one's getting $20,000 an episode. And so I'm kind of being painted this picture of like, well, Demi, as the fan fave, thinks she's the star, and she wants all of this money to come back. It was kind of the vibe I got.

And I'm like, who does this girl think she is? You know, like, coming in season two being like, well, I want this much per episode or I walk. Yeah. So I'm thinking that that's what it is. But now that, and I think that's what Jessi kind of felt like it was. Jessi has like a multimillion dollar business. So I think going into season two, the girls all want different things.

Some want fame and just want, you know, the exposure. Some want to do it for the money, the brand deals and whatnot. So I think just from now hearing all sides, I feel like going into that, Demi and Jessie had different wants of season two and they weren't agreeing on it. Jessie was happy to come back for the opportunity

whereas Demi is like, hold on, hold on, let's all stick together, Let's know our worth. We're the number one show on Hulu, like trying to ban all of the girls together. And it just it gets messy. Everyone's out for themselves. My advice to Demi was do what's best for you, Jesse. Do what's best for you. Not everyone's going to be Jersey Shore.

Not all cast are going to come together as a united front. You have to do what's best for you. Have your own lawyer. Have your own manager. Like have your. You have to do what's best for you. Have your own lawyer. Have your own manager. Like have your own shit and just do what's best for you. But so while that's happening, Demi is like, Jesse, what the fuck? Why are you telling Sheena that I'm not coming? This is like personal stuff.

And Demi has never seen Vanderpump Rules. She doesn't know who I am for shit. I'm a stranger to her. So she's like, okay, just because you've watched her on TV for 10 years and feel like you know her, and now you guys have made a very quick friendship, why are you putting my business out there? So then Demi gets my—we're DMing each other. I give her my phone number. She calls me.

And she's like, I want to explain to you my side. Like, hi, nice to meet you. I would love to do your podcast, but maybe a solo one, which ended up working out because I was going to Utah to record a podcast with Lisa Barlow, her and Demi are friends. And it all worked out and all was fine. But I understood Demi's hesitation there. But I'm like, also, I'm like, Jesse, it is one of those things where you're like, oh, I feel like I know you. Yeah.

I felt that way after binging eight episodes of them. Like, I feel like I know you. Yeah. So I'm like, look, I feel like I know you. I felt that way after binging eight episodes of them. Like, I feel like I know you. So I'm like, look, all of us can be friends. I like Jessie, I like Demi, loved Taylor and Macy when they did my podcast, Leila when I met her in Utah. But it just like, I quickly got entangled in this group because of their drama and me just being the person who's trying to give advice to new people in the industry.

And that's what I really loved about Jesse's birthday post to me. She's like, you're like my first friend in this industry. And I know I did help both of them, but it just it's super splintered now. And I'm definitely curious how it's going to play out because, yeah, right now, I mean, to me went from fan favorite to like, it's looking like she was trying to push Jessie out of Mom Talk. And so all of the girls are sort of like, Taylor's sort of against her.

They're all sort of against her. And so I don't really know how that's gonna play out. I know. It's, yeah, I don't know how it's gonna, cause they're still filming. So I don't know how it's gonna completely play out. So it's so messy. It is really messy. I know, are you confused?

I am very confused. And the listeners are pretty confused as well. I should just let you guys finish the podcast. I'm gonna save my voice for my audio book. No, because yeah, what it sounds like is, at least when you're watching the show, they're making it seem that Demi was trying to get Jesse off the show so that she could get more money for herself.

No. But what it sounds like you're saying is that she wanted them to all sort of stick together. Correct. And ask for the same. Oh, like the Jersey. That's what I'm saying. Like the Jersey Shore cast. Like Friends, Jersey Shore, the cast that pull together and say, we're all in this together or.

Yes. And that's what Demi was saying. She's like, we're the number one show on Hulu. So yeah, let's all ask for X amount per episode because we know our worth. And if we all band together, what are they gonna cancel the highest rated show on their network season two? No, they'll probably get what they want.

Her husband is older, has been in this industry and whatnot and was giving her advice. And I think maybe the girls took that as, Demi thinks she's the star and she wants so much money. Demi's like, I'm trying to be a girl's girl here. I'm trying to get all of us more money, but not everyone cared about more money. They cared about another season of the show,

which I also understood because I've been in that boat before too. I'm like, just accept what they're gonna give us. The exposure is worth it. And you know, it'll pay off one day. That actually makes more sense because I was a bit confused watching the season, watching Jessie be so kind of like nonchalant

about the fact that her friend was trying to kick her off the show. Cause I was like, if my friend was trying to take away my earnings, I would be like, you're not my friend. But she was kind of like, you know, like, we're best friends. And I'm like, what? That's like, so it kind of makes sense

where it's like she was trying to advocate for all of them, but they were all kind of like, let's not push back too hard because they just want to be on the show. Yeah, and so when I was talking to Jesse first before getting Demi's side of it, I was like, this bitch just thinks like, oh, I'm the star. I'm going to get this and I don't care about anyone else.

But then when I talked to Demi, she was like, I wanted it for everyone. So that is why you need to get all sides of the story because things can get convoluted. And I mean, I guess I still maybe need more of Jesse's side. If she said that yesterday on a podcast, it sounds like, yeah, you're going to need to have a little. Did you guys on VPR ever try to band together? Honestly, Tom Sandoval was the only one who ever tried to do that.

And I do... It was something that affected me directly one season, which I do discuss in my book. But everyone else, you know, like, not everyone, but like the Jacks is in the Katie's of the show. Like they never gave a fuck about certain people. And so it never worked out. But Tom did try to do that multiple seasons. And I had heard rumblings that Jacks was always kind of a wrench in those plans, but I never

because Jacks was the person where he's like, I don't care. I'll just accept whatever. Like I just want to be on the show. And it's interesting. Yeah. But anyway, let's take another break and... Recalibrate our mom talk. There is tea to spill and I am here for it. The wait for more episodes of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is over.

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Okay, so we're back. Is there, you've watched the whole season. So you're way further than I am. Is there anything else that we should discuss now? Well, only from like a laughing, funny perspective is everyone's talking about the Mom Talks hair. And like, they have very specific hair. And I think their hair looks great.

But like, if you see them from behind sometimes, you're like, ooh, that tracton blend. Like, what happened? And I even saw this one TikTok where this guy was just like, like, you guys, let's just talk about it. Like, Jessie's, she can't do hair. And she actually responded. I know, I thought it was so mean. She actually. Like, Jessie's, she can't do hair. And she actually responded. I know, I thought it was so mean.

She actually responded. She was like, thanks so much for that. She did my hair amazing. And my sisters, I will say that. I got the full Jay-Z styles due when I was there. And I thought she was great. I was looking at the comments, and I think people are like, no, she does hair great.

What happens is they go home, they wash their own hair, and then they don't know how to style their own hair, and it looks crazy in future days. But like, when they leave her salon, it looks really good. But I will say there was this one, they did Layla so wrong because there was a shot where she was talking to her boyfriend, and they see her for back in the track.

It's a mess. Like, it's such a mess. But I'm like, of all the things, like, can you not do that to the one black girl on the show? Because, like, we already have to deal with our hair so, so... Like, I even have... I just, like, thought in 2025, I would not have to talk about my hair anymore.

Because growing up, like, people are constantly... When you're black, it's just like, there's always a white person asking about your hair, and you're like, can we not talk about it? And I was like, okay, I was at this party and I was literally sitting with three other black people and there was one white guy and he just like zooms in on me. And you can almost see it coming. And I'm just like, oh, and he's like, your hair is so pretty.

Like, is that yours? And I was like, well, it's on my head. So, yeah, it's fucking mine. So what? Like, yeah. And he's like, but what I'm saying is like, but what I'm saying is like, don't ask black women about their hair. If they want to talk about their hair, they will. But like, let us live. Let us breathe.

Like, I, I don't, like, even just a few months ago, I had someone just like grab, and I was like, you really are going to grab my hair? It was at Chateau Marmont too. Like, please. Was it the ghost or was it a person? I know, right? It might have been a ghost. It's a a ghost.

It's a racist ghost. No, seriously. That is, yeah. So the hair is a big thing. So hopefully they don't do Layla. Like don't do Layla like that. She's so pretty too. She is, she's beautiful.

She is gorgeous, but like, don't show her those bad tracks. I mean, who does her hair? Does Jessie do Layla's hair too? I feel like Jessie's done all of the girls' hair, but then I know it's kind of controversial when they go somewhere else. Well, do they go to Angie?

Cause is Angie the only other salon? Right, there's only two. Salt Lake City. And they all shop at Meredith Marks jewelry store. They all get their face work at Heather Gay's. That's what I'm envisioning about Salt Lake City. There's like four places to go, and then you go drink Swing together.

Yeah. Yeah. This is how Hulu and Bravo merge. Right? Look, I do love a dirty Dr. Pepper though, I'll say that. It's pretty good. Yeah, I'm obsessed with all of their soda pops

and their creations. Yeah. Okay, I think that's enough Mormon wise drama. I'm switching gears as the Andy Cohen says, as the Andy Cohen. The Andy Cohen says, just switch gears here. To wrap this episode up, I think it's a no brainer that Marciano is the Jack's Hole of the Week

for multiple reasons. And we're just gonna call it a day. And that's not a compliment Marcy. Oh I know it's tricky but anyways I do have so many more cards of things that we didn't get into this week so we'll save that for next week. Thank you guys again for listening, watching, comment below. What do you want us to get into next week and thank you Kiki and Jared for being here, joining me in the studio.

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