Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Croc of Sh*t Boots, Callbacks & Conservatorships

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

This week, Scheana is joined by her close friend and favorite hiking buddy, Simon Curtis, for a conversation that goes everywhere—from Crocs and Hollywood heartbreak to open relationships and Scheana’s doppelgänger, Britney Spears. Simon opens up about surviving leukemia, living with vitiligo, and the surprising treatment that changed his life, while also sharing what it was really like navigating the early 2000s entertainment industry as a young gay actor. The two swap audition war stories, reveal the career-defining role Simon walked away from, and discuss the pressure to hide who he was at the height of his Nickelodeon career. Then they dive into Simon's open relationship with his partner Jhor, tackling the biggest misconceptions, how radical honesty strengthened their relationship, and what it's really like being partnered with someone in the adult entertainment industry. Plus, Simon reminisces about winning a Britney Spears fan contest, Scheana reveals how she once won a Britney lookalike contest, and the two share some surprising stories about the superstar performer. And why does Bravo end up being named a Jax-Hole this week? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Co-Host: @simoncurtis Purchase your very own copy of the NYT Best-selling book/audiobook MY GOOD SIDE at www.mygoodsidebook.com!Episode Sponsors:Visit resortpass.com/scheana to get $20 off your first booking of $100 or more. Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at square.com/go/goodasgold! #squarepodPlease note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle. It's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Sheena Shea. All right. Welcome back to another episode of shenanigans. I've got one of my favorite people joining me today.

My good friend, Simon Curtis. Hi. Hello, Sheena. How are you? I'm so good. so glad to be here. I know. I haven't seen you since our last hike. I know. I was like, I feel like I haven't seen you in a month that it was last week. I know. If you guys have listened to the podcast for a while, you've probably heard me mention that I'm either going on a hike coming from a

hike and chances are it's with Simon. I love to say I'm going to Fryman with Simon. Priman with Simon. I know. That's my favorite. I know. I'd like make a thing of that. Yeah, but I feel like our hiking recently in the last like, what, like eight months since we've been doing it, definitely brought us closer. We've obviously known each other for a while, but the hikes, and we say the manifestation hikes, things we talk about just like happen. I feel like we open portals when we go on hikes. Like shit happens. It's like we talk about it and then all of a sudden it happens every time. So I was like, why don't we just like bring the conversation to the studio? I love that. I love it. I'm honored. Thank you so much. Yes, of course. And if you guys are watching

on YouTube, Simon might actually look familiar. He's been around the Vanderpump Rules world for years. The Valley, Season 1, infamous crocs. My beloved pink boots. I like those. I was a crox stand. I'm more in the Birkenstocks these days, but like I will always be a crock apologist. I wore my crocs for you today. And here's the thing.

I was very anti-Crocks up until very recently. Everybody was. I was just like, these are the ugliest effing shoes. ever, you will never catch me dead or alive in them. And then I go to Disneyland with Christy and she had her purple platform crocs on. And I was like, that's an interesting choice for all day at a theme park. And she's like, well, my feet are going to be sweaty. And so I didn't want to have like shoes and socks on and these are so comfortable.

She wore those when we went hiking with her. She does every time we go hiking. In them. Yes. I was like, girl, you're going to roll an ankle. When I'm going through my tattoo removal process, this one. right here, I do have to just like wear slip on shoes for like a week. So when we've done the neighborhood hikes, I've also worn them. So I get it. You got to go in sport mode.

I, so I was like the crock stand of the entire world up until literally up until that valley. Yeah. The valley incident happened that I was like, mm, okay, let me pivot. I mean, the boots are like a whole other level. The boots are a whole other thing, but I feel like I always want to look like a video game character. Yeah. Like the game Animal Crossing, I perpetually want to look like my Animal Crossing character. I love that. But I was getting everybody on the Crocs. I got Ariana into the crock platforms.

Stop it. The first day she wore them, she tripped up the stairs and sprained her ankle and texted me a pick. Oh, no. Fuck these shoes. I've had my share of tripping in them for sure. Christy tripped, I think, three times on our most recent hike in them. Yeah.

But they are like walking on the cloud. Yeah. And this is not an ad. I just, I was like, okay, I get it. I get why you wore these to Disneyland all day. Because that day, I wore my Air Force ones. And guess what? I had blisters on the bottom of my big toe.

Yeah, you won't get them with crocs. No. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, all the kids wear them. Literally, like, that's what the kids are doing. I love a crock. Summer wants to wear them every day to summer camp to school. And I'm like, I now understand why.

And then you can put the little gibbets on them. You can make them cute with like the little, like, charm things. Yeah. I love it. They did send me a pair from Love Shack Fancy's collab. And Summer saw them in my closet the other day. She goes, where's you get these? Grow into them, girl.

But I was like, that's a little like flashy for mommy. I picked them out. I like them. I like, I don't know. We're just starting with the white flame. Oh, I love that. I'm jealous. My sister, as she's editing this video podcast, is judging us so hard, by the way.

She hates them. And I'm like, I get it. I did too. Please. I've stood in the fire. of public scrutiny for Crocs love. Like, the comment section after that was like a flame. Yeah.

So I've been there. My mom was like, you just think they're cool because Christy wore them. I was like, well, yeah, kind of. She's like my fashion icon. I mean, I feel like I'm obviously not in the podcast right now, but like I dress better because of her and Maddie. Well, they force me too because they always are dressed like to the nines and I'm like. Always looking good.

Always looking like a 10. But I feel like that's a thing. Like your friends influence. Your style, your friends influence. Like you see your friends in something cute and you're like, I want to get one of those in different color. I got to step it up. Yeah. I know.

Okay. So back to you for everyone who doesn't know and because you haven't been on the pod before, I want you to just like give us a little background how we first met. You got into the whole VPR orbit of it all. And you've literally just had like a front row seat to everything. So I became friends with Ariana. first on Twitter. And it was after, so I went to Tom Tom with some friends and family. And Logan, Ariana's bestie Logan, was our server. And after we left, there was a tweet. And it was like,

I just waited on at Simon Curtis. I've loved his music for so long. He was the sweetest person. And I was like, oh my gosh. And so we became friends. And then like, I think Ariana replied to that tweet and was like, oh, gee, I love it. Because she'd followed me for like two years. at that point. She was like, I love Simon Curtis. And so then we became like in real life friends, the three of us. And then I just became super, super close with Ariana over the years. And at that same time, I think it was like 2017 or 2018. I did an episode of Danny Pellegrino's podcast. And in it, I was like, justice for Sheena. I don't even know what episode of the show we were recapping, but I just like went in and I was like, no. I remember that. And you wrote me this really

sweet message afterwards and you were like, that really meant a lot. Yeah. And like I've just been hyping you up ever since. And I think we met in person the first time at Ariana's house. We did pumpkin carving before Halloween. Yeah. And that was in like 2019. It was. I think I had just started dating Brock. It was like your second date. I remember you came to her house after your second date. Yeah. is insane. And then fast forward a few years later, the scandal of all of it all. I feel like we became closer during that because I feel like anybody who was in that support group chat, just it was like trauma bonding. And I feel like you were going through so much at that time. I was also like side reaching out to you being like what do you need? Like who's helping you

right now? And then I feel like since your 40th birthday last year, I feel like we've gotten even closer. Like that's when we start hiking and just... Totally. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. And also, I mean, you've not only been around, you know, reality TV with us, but you

had your own TV career. I want to talk about your music. You're at how many monthly listeners, almost a million, right? I'm almost at a million. And doesn't one of your songs have like a billion streams or something crazy? So my lifetime total on my first two albums is... like 1.4 billion streams. That's insane.

That's like Spotify, Apple, YouTube. But like that's incredible. Congratulations. Thank you. And I texted you the other day. I just found out that like three of my songs are like platinum eligible. And like it's I. So I'm.

You got to order those plaques. I know. It's like a whole thing. I didn't know. Yeah. And like they charge you out the ass for those plaques. Like they're crazy expensive. Yeah.

So I was just like, oh, well, that's, that's good to know. I'll wait till a few more of these golds hit a platinum and then I'll order the plaque. Yeah. Yeah, it was super cool though. Yeah. I feel like when you win an award, you should just or when you reach a certain status, it should just be given to you. They're like, and you have to pay for it.

They pay for your trophy. You have to not only pay for the trophy, but like you have to pay them for them to audit it. Like you have to analyze all the data to make sure you're not just like making something up. And then they charge you for the actual trophy itself. So, but just knowing that it's there. is really cool. Yeah.

I'm super stoked about it. So iconic. I remember when I saw Bryce Vine's first album that went like gold and platinum, I was just like, it's so cool when you see like your friends who you knew before any of this reached that status. It's just, it's incredible. So huge accomplishment. You should be very proud. I am.

I know you are. You've also been really open about your health. And I want to talk about that as well. You were a leukemia survivor as a child. And I know even at my 40th birthday, and if I can find the photo of us, if you don't mind, I want to pop it up for the YouTube video, just navigating your skin issues. Yeah. As someone who is an entertainer, you know, recording artist, actor, all of that. Nickelodeon and Disney will talk about what has that experience been like? And has it changed the way you think about confidence and like being on camera?

Oh my God. So, yeah, I basically 10 years ago, almost at this point, all of a sudden developed vitiligo. And, you know, as a childhood leukemia survivor, they tell you that when you hit your 20s, you can potentially develop other autoimmune conditions like vitiligo, thyroid issues. And I got hit with all of them. Like I got Hashimoto's thyroiditis, vitiligo, alopecia. It was like all of this stuff just hit at once in my like mid to late 20s. And, you know, for somebody who, you know, makes music and acts, that's debilitating. Like that, that sent me into, like, a decade-long depression where I just hid. I didn't do, like, anything with my music.

I wasn't auditioning. Like, I fully checked out because it's, you know, especially because most of the Vitaleigo was on my face. Yeah. And I didn't have cool Winnie Harlow Vidaligo. Like, it wasn't, there was nothing symmetrical about it. It just was, like, almost all of the pigment left my face. And it destroyed me. But yeah, when I saw you at your 40th last year, A, I hadn't seen anybody from like the extended friend group in like eight months.

And right before that, I think like a month before your party is when I started peptide therapy. I started all of these different peptides just out of frustration because I'd been to so many doctors and it's supposed to be this incurable thing. And I was just like, you know, I've been reading about all this stuff. So let me experiment. and then all of my melanin started coming back. All of my pigmentation started coming back. And I got the invite for your party and was like, I look like a tiger right now. How am I going to show up and face people with my face looking like crazy like this?

And that was also a test of confidence. And I was just like, you know, I'm just going to go. Like, fuck it. And I'm so happy you did. Yeah. Because I think just that party also opened up the doors with other. friendships, like with Christy and Maddie, they met at that party. Yeah. And now the four of us are so close. Yeah. You've been in the studio with me and Christy. I know we've done a song. And that's also like

one of the first conversations to take it back to like one of the first conversations we ever had. Yeah. Yeah. Hit me up with the Danny thing. That's when I was like, what are you doing with your music? Yeah. Focus on your music, dude. Like this is as an independent artist owning your own masters. You can do this, this and this. And now we've like written a song together. I know. And it's incredible. It's like everybody's going to fucking gag when they hear this song. It is so good. It's a good ass song. We played it at Mighty Hoopla.

I gave the crowd a little preview of that. Played it at my birthday. I think we're going to sit on it until next year and like maybe do an entire album and not just an EP. Get the project ready. The thing is, as much as I want to rush our second song that we just finished out because I'm like, this is a summer and dumb. We've got to get it out now. But I'm like, no, no. We don't need to run.

I sat on this EP for two and a half years. So we're going to take our time with it and make sure everything is just like as close to perfect as possible. But you and our hikes are what really motivated me to get back into it. Because for so many years, I just let everyone what they say online get to me. And it's like you can't sing. It's auto tune. It's this. It's that.

And I'm like now in my 40s, I don't give a fuck. Yeah. It is auto tune. And I will say I now realize why I don't like doing karaoke because their mics are not auto-tube. But also, though, like, you have a good recording voice and people can shit on you all they want. But also, you're good at it. You have an iconic sounding voice. It's distinctive.

It sounds like pop music. You do it very well. And people even do that. I mean, I've been a lifelong Britney stand and people still do that. And I'm like, you have no idea. that like people try to shit on Brittany or Rihanna. Like people who they say can't sing, I'm like, you get behind a mic. Yeah.

You don't know what recording is like. It's a whole different skill. And that's the thing. I'm so good at recording. Like, we've knocked out songs in 30 minutes. You just get in, lay down the vocals. And then Kevin or Dem, whoever's producing it, then they do all their tweaks and things. And what is that?

Melodyin. But you still sound like Sheena. You have a vocal character. And it suits pop music. so well. I'm like, I'm not trying to be a Celine Dion. You know, I'm not trying to belt ballads. I wish I had that range. I would love that. But that's what's great about this project with Christy. And I'm going to have to start calling her Stallone because her artist's name is Stallone. But on the podcast, here's Christy. But that's the thing where I'm like, it's perfect

because she has that crazy range. And I have my tone. And together, magic. It's super exciting. I love it. It's so good. And fuck the commenters. Fuck the haters. Like, if you lived your life determined by what they say you can and can't do. Exactly. I wouldn't do anything. You wouldn't do fucking anything. I would live in a hole. Exactly. But I'm like, I posted the video from my birthday. Finally, I got all the footage back from my friend Neil. And I'm just looking. The comments don't bother me anymore. Yeah. I'm reading it. And they're like, you're 45. Give it up. I was like, I'm 41. Thank you. Get it right. But also. Madonna is the pop it girl of the summer. She's about to be 70. She has lines around the block in New York.

for early listening sessions at record stores of her new album. She's like the main pop girl of the summer. So it's like, shut up. I'm just like, fuck it. I'm doing something I love doing. It's fun. And I put on a good show. Ask anyone in the crowd at Mighty Hoopla.

They loved it. Because you're a fucking pop star. Like that video, I text you when you posted it and was like, oh my God, this video. Like, you are a pop star. I've seen your show. I know the energy in the crowd. Yeah. It's amazing.

And I'm like, I love to perform. Are my vocal? top tier live, absolutely not. I'm the first person to say that. You know what though? I need to work on my breath. You're great though. You are you're in it. You're locked in and you are like synced with the music. You hype the crowd. I give it a hundred percent. You're a performer and that's what counts. Yeah. And fuck the age thing. Like I just got my first manager ever and I'm 40. Yeah. So it's, I feel like age is a moot point. Totally. It doesn't matter in 2026. No. I do want to take it back though to the early 2000. where I feel like people forget just how different Hollywood was back then.

I'm also listening finally to Britney Spears' audiobook. And I want to get into that in a little bit. But it takes me back to like the early mid-2000s when I would run into her at Ladoo on a Wednesday. And it was just such a different time. Yeah. But what was your first big break? And what do you remember most about like those early audition days? before, you know, the self-tapes when you actually went in and auditioned.

That was all I knew. Yeah. Same. When I first moved to L.A., it was still the Thomas Guide. It was like just switching over to MapQuest. And I remember printing out all of my MapQuest directions because I didn't know my way around L.A. Yeah. So I moved here in 2005 and I immediately started auditioning.

I got a manager and an agent really quickly. And like I booked like this, I hosted this commercial interstitial thing for doing. Disney Channel and ABC family. It was like a Saturday morning. Like, this is the new thing by Lego. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And, like, that was, like, one of my very first jobs. And it was, it was such a magical, surreal thing.

Also, acting was so much smaller. I know. If you were auditioning, there was a group of, like, 30 people. Yeah. And you saw them at every audition. Every audition. You saw as soon as, like, whatever role that you read for in whatever movie or show, you saw who booked it.

Melissa Milano. Every time. I just saw her recently. We're like friends now. They just saw her at an event recently. And when I met her, I was like, oh, my God. I totally know who you are because you booked every role I went out for. And yeah.

And then after high school musical became like a massive sensation, I auditioned for Nickelodeon's musical. Yeah. And I booked that. And like even that, like that auditioning process was so crazy because it was like screen testing with Taylor Lottner before. or Twilight and like all of these people. It was, you know, like it was all the young kids who were auditioning at the time. Right. And so I booked it.

And that was like my first big thing I'd ever done. And it was so cool. Like I got to Victoria Justice and I got to be the villains. And it was just like the best. I saw her last week and was like catching up with her about it. Yeah. It was like such a magical experience for us. Totally.

I mean, filming a movie musical just in and of itself is the. most amazing thing you can ever do. It's the most fun. Yeah. And yeah, and that was after that, I went back like into the audition cycle and it was just kind of like almost getting there, almost getting there on so many big things. And it got to a point where especially because at the time, I was kind of like reclosited. I had come out before I left Oklahoma and it was a super traumatic thing. Like I was kicked out of the house. It was bad. And so I'd kind of gone through hell and back to come out. And then when I booked this big project, it was back into the closet.

You know, like forcibly so. Yeah. You can't be gay. If you're going to be auditioning at this level, you can't. All of that. And so it was just kind of like my dreams coming true and then it kind of turning into a nightmare really quickly. Like I had this moment. I got to walk the red carpet at the 2008 VMAs.

What? I didn't know that. Yes. So the four leads from Spectacular, the Nickelodeon movie, we got to walk the carpet. It was like a year before the movie was coming out and Nickelodeon had announced the project. And it was the VMAs. It was my biggest dream come true. A moon man. And it was like the president of publicity for Nickelodeon was in the limo with us as we're pulling up to the press corps. and she's giving us like test questions for the carpet. And she asked me, who are you most excited to see?

And it was the night that Brittany was supposed to make a comeback. It was rumored that she was performing and all of this. And I was like, Britney, she's my, and she was like, I'm going to stop you right there. And she put her finger into my chest in front of my other castmates. And she was like, you need to tone it down. And you know what I'm talking about. And then the door opened and we got out. and it's like 200 cameras on the carpet and I'm trying to not cry.

And it's just- Because your response was too gay? Like, wow. Yeah. It wore my rainbow socks. Oh, Oh, last day of pride, yeah.

But it was, and then it was like, then like Chelsea Handler, like one of her co-hosts, the dude who has like the orange curly hair, like he was one of the interviewers on the carpet. And like he was asking each of his question and got to me. And he was like,

Whoa, queen. And I just like turned around and sort of crying. Like on the carpet, it was just, it was just like two silent tears. Yeah. So yeah, it was a whole, it was a whole. That's crazy. Very weird time of life. Right.

So many dreams coming true at the same time of like them being crushed. Yeah. That's wild. And I know you had some stuff around big time rush. Yeah. So can you go into that a little bit? Yes. Because that's so cool. Big Time Rush was the untitled Nickelodeon boy band project. And Nickelodeon told me when I was filming spectacular that they wanted me to be in it. It was like a thing going between the network and my management and my lawyer at the time. They were negotiating a record contract and I was going to be like the lead and this boy band. And as soon as we finished filming that, I came back and we started screen testing for that. And like that was such a crazy experience. They're, you know, there's so many guys in that testing process who've gone on to do like big things. And like we were all in like the music and screen testing boot camp for what became big time rush. And it was like the night before we were supposed to do like the final performance screen test recording test for all of Viacom, all of Sony. It was like a joint venture between Viacom and Sony records and publishing it. Like it was this whole thing.

And the night before, they bring out these giant like Harry Potter manuscript size contracts. And they're like, okay, time to sign. And I was like, can I actually take this home and bring it back sign tomorrow morning? And I did. And I opened it up when I got home. And the first page was like ownership of my publishing, the rights for my songwriting. Yeah. For the rest of my life.

And I was like, what? My lawyer didn't tell me about this. And I just kept reading. And it was just like the most crazy stuff. I mean, it was post-Hanna Montana. Everybody was doing 360 deals. It was just that's what it was. There was no negotiating it.

It was just you either did that or you didn't. And I called my manager having a panic attack. And I was like, I can't do this. This is giving away everything for all of my music. Yeah. Forever, I can't do this. And so I pulled out at the very, like literally hours before. Wow.

Everything was done with that. That's so wild. I'm sure the person who took your spot was like, fuck you. Well, I, unbeknownst to me, like, it sent the network. Basically, it, like, delayed the pilot by, like, eight months to a year or something because they had to do another casting process. It was, like, a whole thing. And then I went into this place of, like, did I make the right decision? What did I do?

And because after, it was shortly after that, I had to go back to waiting tables. Yeah. And, like, meanwhile, like, Victoria was. filming her show and she was my best friend which I was on. Yes, which you were on. And like, and then they were filming their pilot and all of a sudden I was just like I made the wrong decision and I'm getting left behind

and it was oh it was that was a rough point. But that's why I made my first album. Yeah. I was going to say looking back, do you still feel like you made the wrong decision? Do you ever think about the trajectory of your life had you joined big time rush? I am so grateful that I trusted my got at every turn. Yeah. Because it was always the right decision. I mean, right now, like we said,

I have 1.4 billion streams for music that is my music. And you wouldn't have owned any of that. I own that I got to put out on my terms and find my own fans with music I really wanted to make and that I wrote all myself. So, no, it was. And then I got to write books because of my music. Yeah. Like I became a published author because I released that first album. Yeah. So it's, it's, It's, yeah, everything happens exactly as it's supposed to as long as you trust your heart and trust your God. And that's another thing that I feel like just throughout our hikes and talking and everything last year surrounding the Valley for me. I just felt in my gut that it wasn't the right move. And I've never followed my gut really in my life.

Like even my mother's instinct. I'm like, I don't know. It might be wrong. Let me call my mom and get a second opinion. Yeah. You know, let me ask chat. Mm-hmm. But doing that, I just, I know it was the right decision.

Yeah. And sometimes you have to say no to a huge opportunity, a giant paycheck, because that's not what's meant for you and what's meant for you. You would have passed by had you taken the wrong opportunity. And you have to take those leaps of faith. Yeah. If your heart is telling you something, you have to follow it. And it can feel like the scariest thing that you've ever faced.

And I've told you a million times since last year, how proud of you I am. because I know what kind of leap of faith that was. Yeah. Like that took so much courage and so much belief in yourself, faith in the universe, and just knowing and standing firm in what you're worth. Yeah. And the fact that you did that, it's already started to open up so many things for you. Totally.

And it's going to, like, that's something that you're going to look back on in 10 years and you're going to be like, wow. I would not. I wouldn't be where I am. I wouldn't have what I have and I wouldn't have done what I have done. Yeah. If I hadn't listened to my gut. 100%. And I'm so blessed that I have the podcast and my investments that have been able to be my

steady income so I didn't have to do the show. Because back in the day, it's like there weren't crazy brand deals or anything. It's like, well, I have to do another season. This is like my only job. I'm not really in the restaurant anymore. Yeah. And now I'm like, I'm so thankful that I have. just this all to be able to still afford my life in private school for my kid.

Because my business manager is like so any like brand deals come out. I'm like the universe will provide. Exactly. It's on its way to me. Don't worry. Amen. It will. It always does.

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And I've always just appreciated how matter of fact you are about that and how open you are. So I wanted to ask some questions for people who are probably thinking it, but maybe too afraid to ask. And that's just another thing I appreciate in our friendship is how honest we're able to be, where I'm like, okay, so how long have you guys been together and how did you first meet? We've been together for 14 years. Yeah. We also met on Twitter.

I have so many relationships that began on Twitter. It's crazy. We met on Twitter in 2012 through mutual friends. He was like on a trip. He was going with some like Brittany friends to go see Brittany when she was guest judging or when she was judging on X Factor. And they were doing the live tapings and they went to Rhode Island. And I was like, who's this? And we started talking and then he came out to visit.

And we've literally, we've literally. been together ever since, like two weeks after you came to visit, I was like, do you want to move in with me? Because we can't do long distance. And yeah, that was 2012. Okay. Yeah. And now how do you have like that conversation and decide that that's the right dynamic for your relationship? Or did it kind of evolve over time? Like that was it that was an evolution over time. You know. Is it a mutual thing? Or did one of you say like, hey, I think we should be open? No, it was a, it was a mutual thing for sure. Like it just it's it's, it's, I don't even know how it actually came about. But it, it's, it was a start and stop.

Like it, it, we tried it once, wasn't really working and then came back to it. And because of like, I guess because of that, it just kind of like redefined how it is communicated. And if anything, you know, like I've, I've talked to friends about it, obviously, especially straight friends because, you know, I feel like straight people are so curious about how that works. Yeah. And how it doesn't destroy a relationship.

And, you know, for me, I've found that it. if if you do it, it has to be such a focus on communication, like 100% focus on open, honest communication. And that kind of creates a watershed effect throughout your entire relationship. Yeah. If you really go there and if you really put in the effort to truly honestly communicate with your partner about that, you find yourself honestly communicating about everything else. Because everything else is so much easier to talk about than that. Yeah. So it's, it's really, I feel like it's, It's been such a blessing for us because you wind up becoming closer because of it.

I wish I had the exact statistics pulled up, but I remember looking up the relationships between male, male, which were the most successful, heterosexual was in the middle, and then female, female was like the highest divorce rate or whatever it was. I remember you talking about that pasta night with Chrissy Maddie. Like that was, that's crazy. Yeah. But it makes sense because I feel like, especially with gay men, When it's two men, there is such, I don't want to say liberated, but there's just a different

attitude towards sex when it's two guys. Yeah. And because of that different attitude, I feel like sometimes you're able to strip away other things and focus on your connection, your friendship, like the foundational things that make you lifelong partners as opposed to just seasonal partners. Yeah. Does it ever make you feel like something was missing in the relationship? No.

Have you ever added a third to the relationship? Not, no, no. We've never done like a thruple. So what are? Threysms and stuff, that's a different thing. Okay. Like, not never like a romantic addition. That's never happened. Love me a threesome. Back in the day.

We know. Not with Brock. He already had his fun. We didn't know about it. What are your actual rules and like how did you come up with them? Like, do you have like a, you can do this, but you can't do that? No, honestly, we don't really have like set and stone. rules. It's just the foundation of it is you just have to talk about it. Yeah. So you tell each other everything. Yeah. Like the full details. And, you know, also because before or after or both.

Either. Both. You know, also it's you get to a certain point where it starts to be, it starts to be arousing in and of itself. Like talking to your partner about like who they've hooked up with. Like it becomes an arousing thing. Interesting. It's like it's, it's sexy. It's just it's hot. But once you get over that threshold where it's kind of like, is this jealousy? No, no, this is this actually really hot. Yeah. There's, I don't know, there's like, it takes it to a different zone. Have you ever gotten jealous when he's told you about being with someone else?

Definitely. Like, especially when that's like first, when we first started, like it's, you know, there have been fights. They were, you know, like back in the day. And, you know, that was, I feel like that's something that kind of gets worked out when you start to also work on yourself a little bit more, too. Totally. Okay. But I mean, it's, but it also, you know, he, he's, he does only fans. Right. Full time. He's an adult entertainer and like, now does studio work. And like, it's, that would have never been able to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Not spent so many years of our relationship really talking. Right. And, you know, like when your

partner becomes a porn star. That's something that's just an award winning porn star. Exactly. Exactly. And like for me, you know, it's people have reacted to me like I, I feel like even after Galentine's Day when I was talking about because I like cheers him there. He had just gotten his deal with the studio and he was like their first like signed porn star in five years. And it was I just cheers to him and I'm so proud of him. And I was just telling everybody. And I forgot who it was there was like, that's really cool that you're like toasting him that. And it was like, that's really cool. I think that's amazing. And I'm so proud of him. Yeah. What is something you'd want people who could never imagine themselves in an open relationship to understand? That if you truly love somebody and you really

feel like your soul is connected to them, you can talk through anything and you can explore all of these other things that you feel like you might never be able to vocalize to anybody, even to yourself. And especially when it comes to sex and when you're young and like you have somebody that's like, you want to be with this person for the rest of your life, but you still have this desire to explore physical needs and taste the rainbow, as it were, you know, that it's not necessarily a reflection of your connection with that soulmate person. Right.

being faulty or not being strong enough. Yeah. It's almost two separate things. Mm-hmm. And I feel like at the end of the day, I think it's the important, like, takeaway is not that it's not about convincing anyone that monogamous relationships are, you know, better, open relationships are better. It's just about recognizing that, you know, every successful relationship, whether it's monogamous

or open, it does. It comes down to trust like you're just saying. and communication and making sure both people are on the same page. And if you have that, it's like to each their own, whatever works for you. 100%. You want to go and peg your husband, peg your husband. It doesn't affect me. Exactly.

It would affect Brock, but we won't be doing that. So you say, now. I could not imagine. My mom asked what we were going to talk about on this episode. And I was like, you're going to have to listen to it. Yeah. Over a little trigger warning. I love it. Okay. So we were just talking about Jor being in the adult entertainment industry and whatnot. So he obviously wasn't in that when y'all met.

Yeah. How did he get into it? What were those conversations like and what was your initial reaction? I mean, it started gradually. You know, when he first moved here, he was he was modeling. He was, you know, he was signed to different agencies and it was such a terrible experience for him. Yeah. Every photographer that he worked with, they wanted to fuck him. It became like, it just became a minefield of sexual harassment, sexual assault. It was a constant barrage of him just having to play defense. And it drove him out of it. He didn't want to do it anymore.

He was miserable. And it was it was affecting him so seriously that he just stopped. And he's a really good model. He's so, like, it's a talent. Oh, he is a very, he's like a human Barbie. He's a very good-looking human. You both are. Well, thank you.

But, you know, he's, he's like, he's not only like an Adonis, but he, you have to be talented to be a model. There's like a camera connection and he's got it. It's like this on-camera charisma. And it broke my heart watching him go through those first couple of years in L.A. where it was really, really tearing him down. And he's such a sweet, pure goldenhearted soul that watching that was devastating. And watching somebody who has that gift

not be able to use it because everybody's a fucking predator was just, it was heartbreaking. And so with the advent of only fans, that kind of enabled him to return to it on his own terms. And then obviously like everything there, like you can just be as sexy as you want. You can show as much skin as you want. And he started to really enjoy it and really have fun with it.

And just, you know, being an exhibitionist like that was like, I love this. And then from there, you know, he was doing that full time. And then he had a manager, like a porn actor, manager hit him up and be like, do you want to do scene work with this? It's like a very famous gay porn site called Sean Cody. Okay. And it's kind of like a legendary thing. thing within like the world of gayness and he was like I got an offer to do Sean Cody what do

you think about this and I was like are you kidding that's legendary like you have to do that but that became a thing with like oh my god what is like if I do that you can't undo that like that's that's something that if you step into you have to own completely and you know you have to be aware that one day your family might find out right one day day, you know, it, it, there are, there are potential repercussions of that just from people's judgment. Yeah. And, you know, not everybody is going to celebrate it necessarily in the way that I am with my first reaction. And so, you know, it was, again, took a lot of courage. It was a big leap of faith for him. And he did it and loved it. It was like, this is like, I.

I'm getting to do all of these things. And what was really crazy about it is immediately his first interaction in that world, in that industry was the amount of respect, the amount of every single person that he's interacted with in that world has been so respectful, so above the board. Everything, like nothing like modeling. Even when he was acting, like with casting directors and stuff,

it's he's had such a more respectful experience in the world of point. than he ever did in those other two industries. Yeah. And it's enabled him to feel like he can be a performer and he can go to set and work for three days in a row. And it's been a super exciting thing for him. And it's just kind of like fully reinvigorated his love for performing, which I think is so incredible.

I love that. I want you to tell the White Lotus story. Was it Patrick Schwarzenegger? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think I've talked about it on the podcast before and just said my friend. But so it was when you were at the gym. Yeah. So I go to the equinox in Studio City.

And there's so many, so many actors that go there. And I see Patrick Schwarzenegger there often. And it was the day after the White Lotus season finale. And he was there. And so I just walked up to him, introduce myself and told him congratulations and how beautiful his work was throughout the season. And then I'm really rooting for him to see what he does next. And I got home.

And that night, Jor was like, oh, my God, I booked tight lotus. And it was a porn parody of the White Lotus playing the Patrick Schwarzenegger character, Saxon. And I, oh, my God, I was laughing so hard. And it was like, oh, my God, that's so iconic if I see Patrick again this week. I'm telling him. And he was there the next day. And so I went up to him and I was like, okay, I kid you not, when I went home last night, my boyfriend is in adult entertainment.

He was like, adult, what is? And I was like, porn. And he was like, oh. And I was like, and last night, after I introduced myself to you, he booked Saxon in the tight lotus. And his face went from confusion to all of a sudden he just got this look of like awe and glee on his face. He put his hands on his face. And he was just so happy. Like, it was, it was such a sweet reaction.

He was, because I feel like S&L and having a porn parody, you know whatever you've done has hit the zeitgeist. Like, that's, that's like a such a badge of honor. Yes. And so he just, he took it in the best way. He was laughing. He loved it. And talked about it in an interview. Well, I, so I didn't know.

And then it was like three weeks later, I get a text from Janet. And she's sending me a TikTok from W Magazine. And she was like, is this about you? And is George doing porn? Because that was like his second thing he'd ever done. Right. And she sends me this TikTok and it's Patrick sitting down in an interview with W. Magazine.

And he's telling the story. And he's like, this guy comes up to me at the gym and says, my boyfriend is, you know, playing Saxon and the tight lotus. And I was, Janet was like, this just sounds like one of your gym stories. It was so funny. I was like, yes, and yes. Yes, I love it. And then he went on like a full press tour with it. It was his like go-to story for the entire press tour for that.

It was really, really funny. I love that you guys can have that type of relationship where you can cheer him on literally having sex with other men and you're just like, fuck yeah, good job. Yeah. I mean, because like I said, it takes a lot of courage. Yeah. Like it takes you really putting yourself out there, especially like, if you're coming at it from a healthy place, especially if you're coming at it from like,

well, this is a branch of performing. And this is something that I love doing. And this gives me the license and so much more agency than I ever had in any of these other performing venues. Yeah. Or avenues, rather. And so yeah, especially having known him for so long and knowing what he's been through. Yeah. It was just like, yes, this is completely on your terms. You're really good at it. And like, you go be a fucking star. Just go do it. So yeah. Super, super proud of him.

Love it. In the words of Andy Cohen, I want to switch gears here and get into a little Bravo recap. Oh, yes. So real Housewives of Rhode Island wrapped up this season. I mean, is this not the best first season of a Housewives ever? Ever. Ever.

And honestly, the best rookie housewife in the history. history of anything ever. Alicia, St. Alicia of the Crackas. I just, I live for that woman. Like an immediate icon from her first moment on screen up until her final moment at the reunion last night. Yep. It just, what an angel. I know. I ran over a woman with my car. And I mean, only she could make running over a woman in her car so endearing. And so like, oh, Well, you didn't mean to. I know. This is why she doesn't want to drive her daughter to dance.

Exactly. Like, she's traumatized. Yeah. Poor sweetheart. I mean, okay, thoughts on the finale and reunion. I mean, they just, every single aspect of it was such a home run. Yeah. The final part of the reunion, I was very team Joe Allen.

I mean, she came with receipts. How I am. Yeah. And if somebody tries to say. say that I am a liar or that I have lied. Yep. I go fucking in shit. Like it, you, you've seen me in those moments where I have, where I've dealt with

something like that. And it, I completely empathize with her because. Yeah. Like, how dare you try to paint me on national television as a liar when what I'm saying is true. Yeah. And I just, I love how she like relentless. that she didn't back down.

You're a psychopath. She's like, I know. I know. I have nothing better to do. Because I got fired. She said all of the hate, anything that somebody could have come at her in the comments. She said it herself. And then she kept going.

And she just stood on it and obviously was telling the truth about everything that she had said. I was so good. I do feel for Rula, you know, especially also as someone who's been in that situation with their partner. But I mean, when you look at this guy, like is she seen? what we're all seen. He sits up there and he's like, oh, I'm great. And he's like, great. That's an interesting choice.

It was so bad. And what I worried about is that she potentially could be leaning in even harder to the denial because of how attacked she's felt in the season and with the public. And I just, I would hope watching it back that she can realize what everybody is seeing there as opposed to feeling like it's a personal attack upon her. For sure. Because I think everybody, anybody who's even leaving comments is just trying to look out for her. Even Joellen.

Even Joellen. And she might be pissed now and coming at it from a place of anger now because she's been painted as a liar on TV. But I fully believe that from the beginning, it was like when you're trying to shake someone's neck and being like, you don't know what's happening. I'm looking out for you. Like, this is bad. And I think it went from there to the other place real quick. But I agree. I think she started in the right place with it.

Somebody had to get through to her to say, this is what's going on. Literally. So I hope she doesn't stick with it just out of being stubborn. Right. You know, just seeing like the backlash and, you know, how it played out on camera. I wanted a part three. I was like, wait, this is it? I was shocked.

Oh, so, so good. What storylines do you want to see picked up next season? Like, where do you want to see? All of them. I don't want, I just want right back into. to it. I don't want any cast changes. I don't want any additions. We don't need friend of yet. Give me just another full more episodes. More episodes. I want more episodes. I don't need any, I don't need any adjustments. Like when when you hit a perfect cast like that, I don't like

fucking with the chemistry. Yeah. I'm I don't mind continuing on, which is one of the things I love so much about Salt Lake because they've always tested friend ofs. Right. They've never tried to do like cash up or anything like that. Yeah. I don't think they're necessary. And I mean, I love me, Dolores, you know, and it's like, she's a great friend of because it's like she's in the mix, but she's not. She's kind of there. But it's like you don't need anyone outside of her. And I thought she was great showing up at the beginning because it created such a continuation from what people know and love with Jersey. Yeah.

And then also just like the hilarity of her looking like Liz's actual twin. Right. Like they were sisters. That was just so fun. That was such a good introduction to the show. It was so good. Such a good introduction. Okay, I do want to go back to Britney Spears because we started talking about her a little bit.

And I mean, anyone who knows you, you know, you're probably one of the biggest Britney Spears fans out there. And didn't you like win a fan contest or something back in the day? So that, oh my God, I was the second place in like the entire national thing of the Britney Spears Samsung superstar karaoke tour. Oh my gosh. It was a Samsung. It was like in the height of American Idol, like after season one of American Idol. And Samsung was a sponsor of the Dream Within a Dream Tour. And so they did this thing at all of the Dream Within a Dream Tour stops where they had this big like Samsung event at Best Bies where they had people come and sing a Britney song.

And then they picked like four people nationwide. And then like the grand prize winner got to be in a Britney Spears video and got all of this stuff. and I won in Tulsa. And so like I won all this. I won like a Samsung phone and all of this stuff. And then like I got a call a month later that I was in the top five. And then I got a call the next month later. And I was in the top two.

And then I got to call the next day and I didn't win it. But that was that was yeah, that was, oh my gosh, it was back in the day. Yes. You know that I won a lookalike contest once at one of her concerts. JoJo from Kiss FM was hosting it. It was like right outside of the Honda Center, whatever it's called Orange County. I think it was the Honda Center back then.

It might have been something different back then. But I'm like, all these people are like, you don't look like Britney Spears, but I'm like, but back then when I was like 16, 17, 17. In like those in the sometimes days and around then, like her first tour. Totally. I won the lookalike contest. You're saying.

Especially in the eyes. I could see it. Yeah. Thanks. I don't when we were kids. Like there's pictures of me as a kid where I'm like, Like, dude, that's Britney Spears as a kid. Yeah.

Whatever. Where do you think she is at in her life right now? I hope that she's healing. Yeah. I saw something online several weeks ago. Like several people left over from the Free Britney Movement were posting court docs, basically showing that she might not have actually had the conservatorship dissolved. That might have been renamed into something else. Wow.

So I just, I want to see her happy, healthy and thriving. Yeah. I love her so much. I think she's one of the most important artists of all time artists. Like I, her wealth of creativity, I think is so unparalleled. Yeah. Like I, you know, people consider her to be a performer first and foremost, but I've always seen her as an artist. She comes from a different dimension and she just creates things that.

light up the world. Like she electrifies the entire world. Even when she's on hiatus. Like she's still the topic of conversation. She's still, she's still Britney fucking Spears. So I just, I want to see her more than anything.

Even if she, even if she never puts out another album, I would just love to know that she is happy and healthy. Yeah. Just listening to the book. I've been wanting to read it for the longest time. I'm just not the biggest reader. But I was like, you know what?

This is my next book. It's my audio book. on like chapter 25, I think right now. It's a good audio book. It's so good. And I mean, it really makes you just hate the men that have been in her life. All of them. Awful.

Her dad. All of them. And the one part that I was just listening to was so heartbreaking. She was like, you know, one thing about me, she's like, I was never manipulative. I was just stupid. And it's just like heartbreaking because these men just took advantage, full advantage of her. Yeah. And I mean, I feel like, I feel like, you know,

when you operate from a very pure place, you don't expect the world to take advantage of you in that way. And that's, yeah, I just, I pray she gets the right people around her. I pray that she gets to express herself creatively in whatever capacity. Like, I want that for her so bad. I know. I mean, you saw her in Vegas, right? Yeah. When she was at Planet Hollywood. And I mean, she was incredible. Yeah. And then you're just like, what happened? You know, the conservatorship and all. all of that. And like, how do you feel about the way social media reacts to her now? Do you think people analyze every post a little too much or? You know, I have to defend. I honestly, I have to defend the online investigators because that's why the conservatorship was exposed to begin with. Yeah.

It was because of a fan podcast and somebody sending in an anonymous voicemail to this Britney fan podcast because all of the fans online were like, we haven't seen her in three months. There's something going on. There's something going on. Yeah. Come to find out two years later, from her own mouth, she was locked in a facility against her will. Yeah. So, you know, sometimes when there is smoke, there's fire. And when it comes to Brittany, it's proven to be true. Yeah. So I don't think people investigate too harshly with her. If anything, I feel like it might have saved her life. Yeah. So I don't, I don't see an issue with it. Yeah. Her son's recently made headlines by walking the runway. What did you think of

that. Do you think it's like nice to see them stepping into the spotlight on their own terms? Totally. Because I also think Brittany wants that for them so badly. Like she's, I feel like she's always so proud of them. Anytime she talks about them publicly, she's just like rooting for them. She's like even when they were little kids, she shared them playing the piano, sharing whatever art they make. I feel like that's got to be like a bliss and joy for her watching them be on stage. For sure. Do you think her legacy gets overshadowed by the conversation? around her personal life? No.

Because she's one of the greatest artists who's ever lived. Yeah. And it never, it will always cycle back to the music. Yeah. Mm-hmm. As someone who has followed her career for decades,

what's one thing you wish people understood about Britney that they often get wrong? That she's an artist. That she's an artist first and foremost. Even all the videos that we think are so iconic. It wasn't somebody telling her what to do. She was calling the shots. Yeah.

It was all her ideas. From the very first video, Baby One More Time was supposed to be an animated video. I know. And she said, I don't want to do that. Here's my concept. And this is she chose what she was going to wear. She dictated the concept for the video. And they let her because she had a strong vision. Yeah. One of my friends, Nick, he was one of her dancers for many years and eventually choreographer. And he was telling me about the making of the oops video. And the first day of shooting the oops video, she didn't like what she was wearing. Yeah. And was like panicked trying to get something else. And the choreographer called my. Michael Jackson. And he was obsessed with Brittany and immediately sent, had his people send over a big trunk of costumes. Wow. And the red leather cat suit was in that. And it fit. No way. It fit. Yes. That's crazy. And Britney pulled it out and was like this. Wow. Even that. Like the fact that she was able to be like, I'm not starting shooting until I have the right thing. And then that. And I mean,

how many dolls, how many images, how many, like, that became so, so I even think things like that, people don't take into, how many of her songs she's written herself. Right. How, you know, at her, at her absolute peak, all the concepts were coming from her. Yeah. All the vision was coming from her. Totally. Blackout, the Blackout album.

I know. That's the part of the book I'm on right now where she's talking about Blackout. So interesting. As much as was going on in her life at the time, she was still able to dictate and lean in to her art so much that she made one of the most game-changing pop albums of all time. It's redefined pop music to the point that people are still now chasing it. People are trying to make music that sounds like blackout. Absolutely.

And it's like no matter what she decides to do next, she will always be one of the most influential pop stars of all time. Period. And maybe the real question isn't whether she like owes us another album, but whether she's finally in a place where she gets to choose what she wants to do for herself next. Yeah. And I feel like if anything, it would be owing herself another album. Yeah. Like I would love because especially being an artist and you as well, you know what that feeling is when you go into the studio and you get to make something that you've written.

And it's like a piece of your soul lights up and you get to put it out in the world. And I know what that feeling is. And I want her. If she wants that. to experience that again. Totally. On her terms. And that's why I think she did the book. You know, and as someone who's also written a memoir, like, I get it. You want to have agency over your story, control your narrative, and put it all out the way you want it out.

Yeah. Especially after 10 years of Bravo. Literally. All right. Well, to wrap up Pride Month and the podcast, we give flowers to someone and we name a Axhole. Do you have anyone you would like to give flowers to this week? Flowers? You know, I'm going to give flowers to you because I'm here and, you know, I feel like I do that a lot in our text messages. But I would like to really publicly say how proud of you I am.

Thank you. Especially this past year. I know I know what you've been in and what you have faced and what you have triumphantly jumped through and into. And I'm so proud of you. Thank you. I think you're such an amazing person and I'm so grateful for you. Oh, well, same. And this week's Jack's Hole goes to the timing and impact of the Supreme Court, issuing a ruling against the transgender community on the very last day of pride. Like, how dare you? Can I also nominate a Jack's Hole?

Yeah. I, my choice is also Bravo for canceling ladies of London. Wait, they canceled it? It's on pause. Oh, I did see. something about pause. They put it on pause. Also, one of the most delightful cast, delightful first seasons. They were like a cashmere blanket of a show. They were so soothing, so fun, so lovely. Yeah. And then Martha, the icon Martha, Hecatee, her bird, died the day that they announced the

pause. And she posted a video just sobbing that's, that was her baby bird. Oh, no. I know. I was very upset with them. Yeah. I'm really, really, really, really, mad. Damn them. I know. Them and the fucking Supreme Court, you know? I just want to say. Fuck them both.

Exactly. Literally. I mean, whether you're LGBTQ plus, you know, have a trans family member or friend or just simply believe everyone deserves dignity and respect, you know, moments like this remind us that rights and acceptance aren't things everyone experiences equally. And I think it's easy sometimes for people to just like, oh, you know, don't see anything. It's not happening to me. so like I don't it doesn't affect me but until it does exactly and I I never like to get into

politics too much on this podcast but I feel like with this it's just more about recognizing the real human impact these decisions can have especially on a community that faces so many challenges and I just want to say to everyone in the trans community everyone who loves them that you matter you belong and you deserve to be treated with respect. Amen. So happy Pride Month. We still have pride being celebrated all over the country and world for the rest of the year and every day. Amen to that.

It should be. All right. Thank you guys so much for listening. Thank you, Simon, for joining me in the studio today. Be sure to stream his music on Spotify. We got to get you to a million monthly listeners. It's coming, baby. I feel it.

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