Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Gabbing about The Valley Finale, Summer House & More

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

This week, Scheana is back in NYC with Gibson Johns, and the two are dishing out their thoughts on The Valley, Summer House, RHONJ, RHODubai, & VPR. What did they love about the Beyoncé drama in Dubai? What does the canceled RHONJ reunion mean for the future of the show – who should stay & who should go? Are they Team Carl or Team Lindsay – or Team Switzerland? Plus, why does Scheana believe that certain cast members of The Valley would not have returned if there had been a Reunion? And which former Bravo show would they like to see return? Tune in to find out!Follow us: @scheana @scheananigansGuest: @gibsonoma @gabbingwithgibThe video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, June 7th, 2024.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Episode Sponsors:Build the best summer ever with KiwiCo! Get 20% off on your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/summerhoney.Say hello to your IRL makeup filter in a bottle, COVERGIRL's Simply Ageless Skin Perfector Essence. Only from Easy, Breezy, Beautiful COVERGIRL.Start all your shopping at rakuten.com or get the Rakuten app to start saving today, your Cash Back really adds up! Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between, it's time to catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now here's your host, Sheena Shea. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Shenanigans NYC edition. I was supposed to have Mr. Loverboy on the podcast this week, but he was unavailable after all. So thanks to Gibson Johns, we're going to have a fun gab sesh. How are we doing today? Gab sesh. You know, I had so much fun last time. Yeah. I'll come on here anytime. No, I love it. So thank you for being available and getting into some

shenanigans with me. I love shenanigans. I had so much fun with you last time when we did this with Hannah. I was just like, okay, Kyle can't do it. I'm like Gibson. There was like no question. I'm like, let me get my boys. So if you guys haven't already, he has an awesome podcast called Gabbing with Gib. I saw Lindsay was just on there. So we'll definitely talk about that. But how are you? How have you been since I saw you last? I'm good. Just trying to build the show. Honestly, it's like being an independent person. It's stressful's stressful, but it's I like it. It's just like, OK, we're always on. We're always.

Yeah, it's fun. I mean, it's like the show is doing really well. I had the comments by celebs girls on recently and they like the comments by celebs fact is real. Like, yeah, really blew it out for me. So it's been fun. Good. It's been really fun.

Awesome. Yeah. Well, I feel like I'm just like on one today because i was in bed at around 12 31 my daughter wakes up around three i had to leave for the airport at four straight on the plane coffee coffee straight to a car traffic coffee and i'm like oh i forgot to eat today it's giving like bus club another, another club, another club. Yeah. So while I was on the plane, just drinking coffee, prepping for this last minute, I've

just taken a bunch of notes. And so we've had a lot of good TV on. It's kind of overwhelming. Literally. With the pump rules, the summer house. I know. You know, we had summer house, summer house, vineyard. It's the valley.

It's like there's there's so much good so much shit on I mean okay so VPR season 11 wrapped last week

we had the summer house finale the reunion this week the valley finale finally Real Housewives of Dubai is back

I was like what happened to this show I watched it two years ago and then it was just gone it was like the longest pause ever I literally looked I watched it two years ago and then it was just gone. That was like the longest pause ever. I literally looked it up. It premiered on June 2nd, 2022 and came back June 1st, 2024. It's been exactly two years.

It's really wild. And it premiered at BravoCon. They screened it. Yeah. I don't know what happened there. But I actually, I think maybe because there were so many shows on at the beginning of this year, like it was like crowded, you know, I think everything kind of premiered around BravoCon. I think it was smart

for them to wait, even though it was kind of weird. It's like petty drama. It's kind of perfect for the summer. It's been a little serious on Bravo recently. Let's balance it out. Is it petty with a purpose drama? Petty with a purpose. God, if he makes merch, I can't.

But okay, let's talk about some of the petty drama on Dubai. I haven't seen the full episode yet, but I saw a clip from the premiere where is it Chanel and is it Lisa? Or who's arguing about the Beyonce? Like who had the better VVIP experience? It was like Chanel and Lisa had VVIP, which meant they were like with Kendall Jenner and Tina Knowles

and like the celebs, but their seats were like nosebleed seats. And then the other ones were not in VVIP. They're in regular VIP. Like sweat dripping on you. Yeah. And they're literally like getting her sweat. So like, I guess pick your poison, pick your experience, but they're fighting over that. And you know what? Like fighting over a VIP at a Beyonce concert. Like that's the kind of shit that I need right now. Well, and that's what's great for reality TV. You know, it's like the type of catty, petty drama where it's not damaging to anyone's family or brand or anything. It's like the type of petty shit you want to watch on these shows. They haven't gotten to the damaging stuff yet. You know what I mean? I'm sure we will. I'm sure. And like, I think those women will kind of do whatever it takes to like make a good show

probably. But like, kudos to them. And like, let's keep it light for now. You know, what experience would you rather have at a Beyonce concert or like anyone you're a big fan of? Would you rather be in like the VIP box or would you rather be up close and personal? I've been front row at a Beyonce concert, so I'll take the VVIP. Right. Yeah. No, I mean, I think front row is like kind of, if you haven't done that ever before somebody you love it's like there's nothing that matches that it's like you're like you're in tears or chills or whatever you can see like their pores but like hobnobbing with Kendall Jenner and Tina Knowles like I'm not gonna pass that I'm not gonna pass on that so when I saw Beyonce

last year in LA we had the like VIP box. I mean, it wasn't Kendall Jenner or anyone, but it was so far. It's so far. And I'm like, just watching the screen the whole time. And Kyle Chan was like right there in the front row. And he just kept sending me videos. So I was just posting those videos and people thought that was my view. I love it.

No one knows. You know what? They just know I'm at Beyonce. Keep it up. Keep up the straight. Like love it. No one knows. You know what? They just know I'm at Beyonce. Keep it up. Keep up the straight. Yeah, 100%. Totally. But yeah, I love that kind of drama.

It's not dark. It's not heavy. It's just, you know, it's what we need. And I feel like it's kind of what we were missing on Vanderpump Rules this season. And that's what I've seen so many comments of people saying how much they loved the Secrets Revealed episode and how they wanted more of that. Like my little summer moon, just, you know, deadpan into the camera.

Oh my gosh, I loved those moments. No, yeah, I think that that could have brought more balance to the season too and just more levity to it. You know what I mean? Like I understand why it got so dark. I understand why it got so serious, obviously. But, you know, at least personally,

I don't necessarily watch these shows to like watch a downfall or watch it get like too dark. Like ultimately, I want to laugh a little bit. Ultimately, I want to have fun. Yeah, I feel like too, just watching the Summer House finale and seeing all of the girls just really rally. I feel like that's definitely what all of the Vanderpump Rules viewers were expecting this

season. And we got so just, I don't even know what the right word is, you know, just kind of taken in a different direction. I know. And I think that that's kind of what, like, to me, that's what West and Jesse brought to Summer House. They brought the humor and the fun and they were like totally green. They never done this before and Summer House was really serious but there was a balance and that's to me what made it such a compelling season

but it's hard for you guys to insert new people and to have those new perspectives that really work you know what I mean yeah and the new people

we had were Jo which we don't need her perspective I don't even really consider that she yeah no

you know like no I don't need to be like, what was she doing, like comparing the dirty feet with shorts? That was tough to see. There were some scenes between

just some of the apartment scenes on our show and The Valley where I'm like, I just feel a little sad right now, okay? Like I'm in my house and I'm like, it's just kind of depressing. It's like you like to get back to some of that apartment living for that realness. But then I'm like, I'm in my house. And I'm like, it's just kind of depressing. It's like, you like to get back

to some of that apartment living for that realness. But then I'm like, we used to have a house. And now we're doing a spa day in your apartment while everyone's in Big Bear. And it just made me a little sad. That was a tough scene. I will say like, I like that they, they sort of leaned into it in a way,

but like, and they like embraced it. But I agree that the comparison of the Big Bear mansion to that with like the cbs but massagers or whatever they were that was tough to see it was it was hard to watch that and the dirty feet i'm with you on that but i do want to get more into valley and summer house but first real housewives of new jersey Jersey announced this week that they're not going to be having a reunion. I know the Valley's not having a reunion either, but Andy, I guess, he was talking to Kiki on Reality Checked,

and he said that they would be doing some other type of programming in lieu of the reunion that the final scene serves as the reunion itself. So what do you think they might do here? Like maybe what they did season 10 a little bit with some one-on-one like Tom Sandoval, Ariana Raquel interviews. So my first instinct was that I thought about BravoCon in the past two years. They've separated them into two separate panels. Right. So they could do sort of two separate

reunions. But I think what you miss out on there is any sort of like real resolution. Because if you're separating this side and that side, what are they resolving on? You know, if it's like just Teresa and Jen Aiden, like what are they resolving with Melissa and Margaret? You know, I do think one-on-ones would be really amazing, especially if they are considering like a really big rehaul on Jersey,

where it's like, are we saying goodbye to Teresa or Melissa or maybe both? Like, I don't know what that looks like. But like, if it's like, are we saying goodbye to Teresa or Melissa or maybe both? Like, I don't know what that looks like. But like, if it's the end of the road for either of them, it would be kind of cool

to see a one-on-one sit down either like with them and Andy or one-on-one separately. It would be ratings gold. Yeah. Why do you think they announced this so early on in the season?

Like, to get ahead of like cast leaks? I guess Dave Quintet people reported it. So I don't know if that means that they wanted it out or not. I think it takes some of the air out of the season. It's like if you know we're not going to get some sort of true resolution at the end of the season,

it loses some of the appeal of following it. I'm still really invested in it, obviously. But I think that for the general viewer, it might take some of the appeal of following it. I'm still really invested in it, obviously. But like, I think that like for the general viewer, it might take some of it out of it. I can't imagine that they're like super happy that it leaked. Yeah, because it's like- Four episodes into the season. No, it's so early.

And you look forward to those reunions. It's such a bummer that the Valley isn't having one, which will get more into the show. It's like I interviewed Danielle Cabral from Jersey at the beginning of the season, and she was already talking about how she was prepping her receipts folder in her phone for the reunion. And it's like, well, there goes that. Yeah. And from just what I've heard is that everyone in Jersey is on a little bit of a can't talk.

Yeah. Because I think there's also some other stuff that's happening with like fan accounts and things like that. I've heard about that. I've been able to follow it. I think it's like really confusing and really in the weeds. Yeah.

It seems like the kind of thing that sort of blows, it blows down the fourth wall in like a way that sort of Totally. There's a manipulation of the show happening

allegedly. So like that's something that like they don't, I mean, I don't think they want anybody talking about that. That would probably come up at the reunion. So that I think that's probably a factor as well. Do you think there's any hope for Teresa and Melissa to mend their relationship?

I don't. I don't. I think that they. What if they weren't even on the show together, like down the line? That's a good question. I mean, it's been interesting watching the season because they both are having a very similar experience in life of sending their daughters off to college. And it's actually really sad watching it happen kind of side by side,

but totally separate. And you have to think about like the cousins that like, do they talk at all? Do they, you know, and it's like, that makes me really sad.

I mean, the show is probably the reason for the whole divide. So if you take that out of it, maybe in 10 years, you know I just think that this season I'm

last reunion and this season it's been so refreshing that like they finally just admitted they hate each other at least for now and like we're not

pretending to make up we're not pretending to like try to get along like they just don't like each other as people and they're not gonna agree for this foreseeable future

so I'm actually finding that refreshing that we're not having to like go through that again with them right now. Then it's like, yeah, where do you go on a show like that when you do have two cast members who hate each other?

Like we do as well, you know? It's like, where does it go? Right. And it's like Teresa to many people is the quote face of Jersey because she's the only OG remaining. Melissa's also been on for like 11, 13, 12 years or whatever it is.

It's just hard to imagine that show without either one of them. I know. I can't. And like they did it on New York but like to me that's just a different show almost. You know to me the current New York I like it but it's not the same as the old New York. Agreed. I just think it's a different show. Yeah. So maybe they just make Jersey a different show but it's like

I mean. It kind of blows your mind a little bit. Especially for somebody like you who's like, you've been intersecting with these women probably, you know, at Bravo cons and different events and things over the years. It's like, there is part of the DNA of this network at this point. As you guys are. Yeah. And when you're removed from the show, it's like,

it's okay to be friends with everyone. But then when it comes time for like podcast guests, I always go to Dolores first. That's my girl. She's always safe. We love the woman who rides the middle. Then I'm like, oh, I just get along with who? Who's going to get mad at me if this? Is it weird for you when like somebody like that or somebody who you've known for a while

just like on another show and then they don't get asked back or like, what's that like for you? Oh, Crystal. You know, she's a good friend of mine. Yeah. I love Crystal so much. But I understand that it wasn't really the life for her. I have gotten to know her really well over the last couple of years. And so like, she's fine with the decision and she's still going to live the same life, you know know but for me as a viewer i'm like damn my friends aren't on the show anymore like same with teddy i got really close with her and then all of a sudden she wasn't on the show anymore and i actually just talked to her today she called me and she was like where are you going to jackson's tonight for the viewing party or

whatever i guess my name's being thrown around like she're like, Sheena's going to be here. I'm like, Sheena's in New York. Don't attach my name to this. So I was like, I'm not there. They're trying to draw you in with their name. Yeah, but she's like, okay, I just wanted to see. And they're like, well, you're not going to call her, are you? And she's like, of course I'm going to call Sheena. Like, we may say stuff on our podcast, but we know there's business. There's friendship.

And like. If you were in town, would you be going to that? Yeah, I would go. If all the girls went, I would go. I'm not going to support the men on that show. Got it. But I'm like, I can be a girl's girl.

Of course. You put me in the right group of girls, I got your back. You're in the music video for Girls Girl, Sheena. Yeah, right? It's so tough

where just on like Vanderpump Rules, it's like, I didn't come into this show with a group of welcoming women. So that's what's hard is like people have always just seen me as this like guy's girl. And I'm like, no, it was just the guys were nicer to me in the beginning. That's all.

That was just your circumstance coming into the situation. It's so different. Yeah, it is. All right. We're going to take a quick little break and then we're going to get into some summer house. Be right back. All right, y'all. and then we're going to get into some summer house. Be right back. All right, y'all, whether you're staying home or heading out on summer explorations, KiwiCo is inviting kids and kids

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Yep. So I gotta ask all things Summer House finale. Just in general, what did you think? It was an amazing episode of television. Like, it just really was. Like, I mean, it's the conversation that we had known had happened

since last August. It's been over nine months. I know. It's been a while. It's been a really long time. And, like, there were obviously interviews that were done around BravoCon, but like between BravoCon and essentially when the show started airing,

we really haven't learned that much about what happened there publicly. Unless you were in Mexico. I'm just kidding. I was in Mexico. So were you. We were not together.

Yeah. It was just so, it paid off, I think, the lead up to this. And like, obviously this is a real situation that happened. It's real heartbreak on both sides, I would say. And so, you know, I obviously want to be like delicate when talking about it because, you know, people's lives are blown up on both sides, you know? And like, it's really sad, but ultimately it's like, one, I think all of us are team. They should not have gotten married and they did not get married and that's great.

Absolutely. I think we're all kind of aligned there. But just seeing the conversation and just like having seen all of the fights they went through and all of the different topics that they had talked about, it came to a head in a way that

it almost felt like one of those scenes you shouldn't be watching. It almost like some of the scenes from your guys' finale last year, the Scandaval episode, it felt like some of those scenes you shouldn't be watching. It almost like some of the scenes from your guys' finale last year, the Scandaval episode. It felt like some of those scenes where it's like, whoa, this is so intimate. Yeah, it's very fly on the wall.

Very fly on the wall. Now we're talking to producers and you're just getting all of it. All of it. All of it. And like, you know, I just loved how the first half of the episode was sort of like teeing it up. And like that was what they were actually supposed to film. And that usually would cut to black.

Usually it shows all those nine squares. And it's like do, do, do, do, do. But then we got the three days later. No. Chills. Seriously. Chills. So did you think that it was a breakup or a postponement?

I'm just not ready to get married. But let's keep working on our relationship. Because I felt like, and it could have been the editing. But it was like, he said, you know, before we get married, we have some things to work on or to iron out, whatever. Three days later, he says, we're supposed to get married in two and a half months. I'm not ready to do that. So it's like, was it a postponement that she then took his rejection? I think it was kind of mixed messaging, honestly.

That's what I think is the really hard part is like, on the one hand, he sort of was insinuating like a postponement of some sort. But then he also is saying that like he thinks that she wishes that he would relapse and things like that. He was saying really hurtful things to her that kind of insinuated he didn't even like like her. You know what I mean? And like, yeah, I think I think that, you know, it looked like it looked like he was

saying both things, honestly. Right. And so I was confused. I'm like, is this editing? Right. Right. And so, like, I think if I guess if you're Lindsay and who I just had on my podcast this week, you know, it's like it's pretty clear what what you're getting at, essentially.

And like, why are we just like beating around the bush here, essentially? Like, that's I think what what her perspective on it was as she parlayed it to me. And yeah, I don't know. It's like, it kind of left me speechless a little bit. I have to say. Yeah. Did you feel like she was blindsided? I understand why she felt blindsided.

Yeah. I think from an outsider's perspective where we saw conversations on both sides happening, where we saw every fight from a bird's eye view, you can be like, obviously, like, how could you not see this coming? Like, that's an easy perspective to have. And I understand that. But also, I think that she's just somebody who loves so hard. She was so in it. Their perspectives were just different. Her perspective was like, I will fight through anything to make this work. I want the fairy tale. You know, I think that she

was a little bit like she had some blinders on. I think she would say that. So I think when you're when you're operating from that perspective, yeah, you're going to feel blindsided by this. If you're operating from Carl's perspective, it's like we've been openly fighting, you know, this shouldn't be a shock. Yeah. And like I understand both those perspectives. And so. In true form, you know, you see both sides you live in the gray and that's where I feel too yeah I really do and like I

you know people like can get frustrated I think with me for like saying things like that but ultimately I do and ultimately like I

I don't know if I believe fully that like he went into that conversation not wanting to like do pull something drastic about their relationship

or wedding that's personally how I feel because he came in with a different energy than he had seen. And if that scene was really right after the Kyle one,

there was something that Amanda said. I took a note of this on the after show where she said to Kyle, he needs support, not direction. And I was like,

I didn't know I needed to hear that so much where it's like she didn't want Kyle to influence hear that so much where it's like she didn't want kyle to influence kyle's decision one way or another and you know i can be a people pleaser a flip-flopper and have those tendencies and whatnot it's all been shown on all of vanderpump rules but it's like whether it's my mom a producer right you know my husband or whoever it's like i realize that i haven't always set

the best boundaries and navigating those moments where I feel like I need support over direction and then it's like I feel like I need to kind of take that direction and make someone happy even if it's at my own detriment but just when I heard her say that, I was like, that was just a really interesting perspective because Kyle could have went into that conversation and really convinced him of one way. He could have. And so even though he, you know, probably took his wife's advice and wasn't doing that, I'm wondering, was it the tone or the questions he asked that made carl kind of go in a little hot because until i saw that you know obviously i've been friends i've been closer

with carl i've known lindsey we've been friends i've known both for a long time as well i've known both for a long time but having then seen it after hearing their sides like bravo con i got lindsey's a little more through like Katie or Ariana, and then I got Carl's through Carl. And so hearing it and then watching it back, I'm like, okay, well, I do see both sides. I see from my understanding, there was a check-in from production,

like how are things going since we wrapped? And Carl said like, not great or whatever. There was then a group And Carl said, like, not great or whatever. There was then a group chat between Carl, Lindsay, and production, like, we're going to film something else. So I don't think it was he called the cameras. It was just when they checked in with them, it was like, no, things aren't good.

And like, I don't know what to do. And they're like, maybe we just need to continue the story a little longer. I don't know what Lindsay's side of that part is, but I do know there was a group chat between the three of them, which I'm like, I get that because if you just wrap the season and then three days later, you announced that you're postponing it. Like that's going to piss off everyone on production because it's like, okay,

so you weren't being real, right? You know, so I get that side and it's like, you need resolution obviously when it is a season finale but i want to say in like lindsey's defense on the flip side i feel like there can be a lot of elevated tension when you're filming i think maybe she thought they might be able to work through their issues once cameras wrapped,

once wedding planning was done when there's not that stress. I know better than anyone what it's like to get married on national television. And I really empathized with her just having that wedding tunnel vision where it's like you may have warning signs and you're ignoring them and maybe everything doesn't feel right but you just think like no this is my best friend it's going to get better we're going to figure it out and that was me with Shay so when I was watching that I didn't see an activated Lindsay in that moment I saw someone who was heartbroken, who did seem caught off guard. But then I go to Carl and I'm like, when I sat down with Shay and I said I wanted a divorce in no way, shape or form, did I plan on going into that conversation asking for a divorce?

It was supposed to be a resolution. Wow. It genuinely was. And when I knew that he was lying to my face about if he had bought any pills or done any, I knew for a fact that he was lying in that moment. It just switched. So I don't know if there was something that like maybe Carl was like, let's just let's postpone it.

But then there was something that just switched. I'm like, I don't know because I see both sides and I'm like, fuck, like I've been the Lindsay and then I've been the Carl. But I'm like, this is so tough. And you just see two people who loved each other so much, who have been best friends for eight years, who were planning a life together. And it's just like, we can't get on the same page. Yeah, 100%.

And it's like, you know, you see, like I compare also like Lindsay's reactions this season to reactions in seasons past. Like there's been such a change there, I think. Yeah. The work she's done on herself. I think she also kind of saw Carl's, I think what she said to me was like her year, his year of transition.

It was like a transitional year for him. So she wanted to give him grace in terms of that. Yeah. In terms of like, that was maybe a reason for them to have all these issues right now. I also think it's like when you're having a wedding, like I've had other friends call off weddings

and it's like, there's so much guilt attached to that in terms of like all the people you're laying down, all the money we're wasting. It was like, wait, hold on, it's already past the date. Right. It's like, there's so much attached to it. So it's like, again, on all sides of the equation, it's like, you know, and I also, I'm presuming it was going to be filmed for something. So like, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure in some capacity that was, that'm sure in some capacity that was involved as well. So it's like,

it was just such a fascinating conversation to see. Yeah. And it broke the fourth wall in the perfect amount of, in the perfect amount, I think. Yeah. I think it's really interesting that it leaked literally like hours later. And then like they didn't have

any sort of response prepared. I think that caught them both off guard. Yeah, I remember when I saw that. Me too. I immediately text Paige. I wasn't going to text Carl or Lindsay, obviously. I texted that caught them both off guard. Yeah, I remember when I saw that, I immediately text Paige. I wasn't going to text Carl or Lindsay obviously. I texted a mutual friend as well. And I text Paige and she's like, I just saw this too. And I'm like, but is it real? And then I'm like, that's just crazy. It was like days after the deadline of getting your money back for it that I'm like, there's no way. But then the resort was nice enough. And I know they did offer people their money back. Yeah, I got a refund on the resort, not the flight.

Yeah, right? And I was like, you know what? We already planned to go. We had everything set up. But I was so glad that we still went because we made so many new friends. Like, Carl and Lindsay have such a great group of friends. They have a good group around them. I know that that's hard for them, too, because they're friends with both of them.

They've known them both for years. But we ended up having a really fun trip and made new friends. Meanwhile, I was an hour away having a solo vacation. No, but yeah, it's one of those things where you're like, I think that this season, again, I know it was incredibly hard for like everybody involved, Carl and Lindsay in particular, obviously their lives were completely changed from this. It's going to go down in history though, as this season will. I just think it's like, it's their eight years in,

they're having their most pivotal kind of, you know, zeitgeisty season they've ever had. And I think it just speaks to, you know, the attachment that we've all kind of grown for these people that have been on our screens for so long. It's just one of those moments that like, you're like, whoa, why are we so invested in this?

Oh, this is because, you know? And I don't know. I think that that show has just done such a good job of like building those things up for us. And it's a great group of people. It really is. It really is. I loved what Paige said at the reunion too

when she was kind of calling out Wes. It was like, this is the best season ever in the group chat. Wasn't that so interesting? Two people's lives are like falling apart in front of our eyes. And you're just like, this is the best season ever in the group chat. Wasn't that so interesting? Two people's lives are like falling apart in front of our eyes and you're just like, this is the best season ever. And it was like,

That was a really poignant comment that she made. It was a really, I found that whole segment completely tone deaf. That was a really telling part of the reunion. Yeah.

That entire segment. I mean, the side of West no one wanted to see. You know, he was so likable right off the bat. Like they had such a cute dynamic. And then seeing Sierra get vulnerable and actually have tears. Like you don't see that side of her really ever. So that was a really powerful but sad moment as well. And it's like, she really

liked this guy. Oh, my God. And they were they have they had amazing chemistry. Yeah. And they we were rooting for them. I know. He made her a kid. He didn't have a job. Been there. There we go. And like, I don't know, it just, you know, it kind of blew up his golden boy image a little bit, which I think had to have have happened. Like you can't say that way forever. But there were moments where he really kind of shut down. And I found that to be really interesting. I thought Sierra handled this situation so well. She doesn't really let him have it. She shut down things from coming from different sides. And it was just like when Jesse tried to pipe in, she was like, fuck you, Jesse know i actually laughed

because he also just took it right he's like all right all right like well i probably shouldn't say this they're like then don't but i'm gonna say it anyway no so good but it was nice to see the girls get along for once because i don't think that's ever happened on that show. I do feel like it's happened before on Vanderpump Rules, but it was so hard to navigate this past year. What did you see? What did you think when you saw certain memes and things that were like, there was a screenshot of the group hug on Summer House and I was like, why didn't this happen on Vanderpump Rules?

I know. What did you think of that? I felt like that's how the season was starting out. And I felt like that wasn't what was wanted. Not by the audience, but by, you know, others. And it was like, no, we're not going to go in this direction. You know, we need to include everyone. Yeah.

Obviously on Summer House, it's never really happened. So I think that that made that moment even more poignant and powerful. But I just think generally it's a really, it's something that like really kind of like hits home for viewers. And it's something that, you know, it reminds us that it's not all about

being divisive and drama and, you know, having makeups and fights and makeups and bites. Like everyone can be on the same page and rally around people and it makes for good moments. Yeah. You know, I feel like, yeah, definitely. And I feel like you got some of those moments this season. And there were also some more that you didn't see katie and i had a really cute hug moment at ally's show that she performed at and you like saw a little bit of that on secrets revealed but you didn't see any of the me and katie moments like we had a lot of those moments this season but you didn't see any of those because it didn't seem like that was the direction they were wanting to go yeah there was a moment after the reunion where Ariana gave me a hug and told me she loved me.

And you don't see that. You just see me going straight to Lala. Even after the beach when we were at the bar and me, Lala, and Ariana had that moment together. There were moments like that. And I wish you got to see more of those because that's what people wanted. Right. And I think it's clear there were moments like that because some of the things kind of like slipped through the cracks

of like the Spice Girls references. Like when I first heard that, I actually had no idea what was being referred to, you know what I mean? Because that wasn't really set up for us as viewers to be like, oh, like the girls

are calling themselves the Spice Girls because like they're, they kind of have a united front and they're like on the same page about certain things. Yeah. But those were kind of

just dropped in kind of randomly, you know? Yeah. It was interesting. And you know, hopefully if there is a season 12, everyone comes back, you will get more of that. I think the pause could not be more needed. I agree. And I think everyone just needs time to breathe, live their lives, go to Love Island, eat some sandwiches, bake a baby. Record a podcast. You know, literally just like

enjoy a summer off for the first time ever. Completely. And I also I low key think that when you when a show decides to film at a different time of year, I actually think that makes a big difference in terms of changing it up. Like my Miami is on like an extended pause right now. It's going to be filming another time of year. It's actually going to do wonders for that show because it's just like it's different events, different birthdays, different holidays. It's not going to be Tom Sandoval's birthday season 12. There we go. Like finally.

There we go. Every freaking season. I'll miss the pride scene, but whatever. Yeah. But it will be nice, you know, like let's say we're filming in the fall or winter to have some holidays, a Halloween party, a Friendsgiving, a ski trip. Totally. Like, you know, do something in the snow. Completely different. We don't always need to be in bik Friendsgiving, a ski trip. Totally. Like, you know, do something in the snow.

Completely different. We don't always need to be in bikinis. You know, no. Yeah. So we'll see. Stay tuned. But we're gonna take one more break and we'll be right back. All right, y'all.

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finale. Where to start. Where to start. Extremely eventful. We have, you know, a season of two couples splitting up, famous directors' names being bleeped out, rumors of sexy pics being sent to a mystery celebrity, a baby moon from hell. I mean, you wish there was a reunion, right? Like, everyone wants the reunion. You don't want to wait for a whole season two. No, of course I want a reunion.

I'm glad we got a little bit of the pickup at the end of the finale. That was really good. That was actually much more than I expected. I had to do that. Like, of course I want a reunion. I'm glad we got a little bit of the pickup at the end of the finale. That was really good. That was actually much more than I expected. I had to do that. Like it was half the episode, which was a welcome surprise. Yeah. But in terms of the interpersonal conflict, there's a lot of that going on in that show

that we're not going to see until the premiere of season two, which is tough to swallow. It's a tough thing to swallow. And that might not be until like early next year. Right, right. That's so long. So long, so long. And like, I think I understand why, but, and like, I guess first seasons

don't normally get reunions, but I'm like, make an exception. No, but this is a different first season. I know, I completely agree. And like, I mean, this was a debut season for the ages, you know, on this show. And so give us- The ratings have been great.

Give us a Watch What Happens Live, one parter even you know i mean that was the plan but it didn't work out i think summer house martha's vineyard got it instead okay but yeah so now we're gonna have to wait for season two but i think i said this on my podcast a couple weeks ago the only thing i think that's good about there not being a reunion is i think if there was a reunion the cast for season two would change. I don't want to say who, but between two of the couples,

I don't know that both would be returning. Like a full couple would not be returning. Got it. I could have absolutely seen that if certain things were said to said couple. So there are certain things that have been sort of like, this doesn't serve me anymore.

There are certain things that have been sort of like this doesn't serve me anymore. There are certain things that have been sort of like kind of kept at bay. Okay, so we'll see that in season two potentially. And then season three people might not return. Got it.

I think that's what's great is they're not having one because now everyone's like this is great. We can come back and do it again. Do you also think that like potentially a one part reunion

would have deepened the divide potentially and like even like isolated certain people more. Yeah. And that's tough to come back from as well. There may have been some resolution in certain areas, but I do think it might have,

I think it would have made things worse. Right. Really. Which isn't great. No. Even just, I mean, as recent as this weekend at Pride, I saw Zach, he looked me dead in the eye and he turned away. I go, okay.

So that's where we're at now. Got it. Got it. And I'm, you know what? I'm fine with that because some of my thoughts, I just wanted to gather. I want to say I'm very proud of Brittany for voicing herself finally against Jax. I love seeing that. Could not be more proud of her. It's

never easy to do, especially when you do still love someone, but you know, they're just never going to respect you the way you deserve. So that and just the fact that both women had to be the ones to move out. I know. I'm sorry. There's something wrong with that. I know. I know. And it also makes you think about Ariana not like kind of staking her ground at the house. It's like, you know, but it's like, damn. But there's kids involved. It sucks.

No, oh my God, totally. There's dogs involved. No, no, no, but that's what I'm saying. It's worse that in the sense the women moved out. And Michelle literally moved like two blocks away. I know, she's so close. Oh my gosh. But like, no, I loved seeing Britney do that.

And it's so interesting that it was like basically like a light bulb moment. Yeah. It wasn't really over time. It was like she essentially like was in an argument and was like, why am I putting up with this? Yeah. What the fuck am I doing? I know.

I have not been treated well. And it's like Jack's making an appointment the day before cameras picked back up. That's where I love when they're just breaking the fourth wall now. Because it's like, because we're filming today, you know? And then he never went to the appointment. Right. It's just like Yeah, it's wild. Come on. I know. I know. And like

you know, I always think about that comment that he made about you know, never open a bar if you want to save your marriage. And then he goes and opens a bar and is like surprised at what happens. And I thought it was really rich of when Brittany was talking about how he comes back drunk from that bar

every single night, has deathly hangovers. And we just saw a couple episodes of him shaming her for taking one shot. And it's like, she clearly also has like some other health situation happening. Yeah, she doesn't have a gallbladder.

Right. So like, that was really rich turning of the tables. But then also, at the beginning of the finale party he goes let's do a shot to celebrate i noticed that too she don't get too drunk i have a speech to do i'm like what is this whiplash what is this what do you want literally what do you want are we having a drink he suggested he was like let's take a celebratory shot. Never drink again. Let's do a shot. I'm like, which one is it? Dude.

Dude. Janet. Janet. Didn't get the best edit. She did not. She is my friend. And so I'm going to have her. I mean, they're all my friends.

Literally, like this is my friend group outside of Vanderpump Rules. But like Kristen blaming Janet for all of the drama over the Michelle Republican racist saga. Right. And it's like, we literally saw it earlier in the season that Zach admitted that he was the one who had embellished it. And then Zach saying Janet's messy.

And there's this like whole montage trying to just craft that narrative. Like, fuck off. Also, you don't see it. I don't know if it happened and they cut it or it happened after cameras went down. But Janet was like so upset. And she was just like, you're literally like

giving me contractions. I feel like I could have a miscarriage. And for him to say, I don't care if you have one. It's just like. Oh my God. I mean, Janet was on my podcast. And that's sort of when the clip from that is what sort of caused the comment war to happen. That was happening. That's where it was. Janet was on my podcast and that sort of went, the clip from that is what sort of caused

the comment war to happen that was happening. Oh, that's where it was. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. And they clearly have much more of a history

than we have seen on this show. Oh, there's a lot. I mean, there's years of it. Totally. Like they didn't speak for years, I guess, before filming started. Like that's something that I want to hear more about

because I feel like on his side, it's being very much glossed over because it sounds like he, at least from Janet's perspective, was in the wrong for a lot of different things. Including a really, allegedly really disgusting comment that was made about her pregnancy. He said a lot of problematic things over the years. Right, so it's like, it was frustrating to see her get that edit. Because, but I also think we did see him like kind of still, she was like, I'm eight months pregnant.

Like Michelle was like, she's eight months pregnant. Like shut the fuck up. And he still started yelling at her. And I was like. When I think he even told her to fuck off before she said like, I'm done, I'm leaving. But then you see her say like, I'm done. And then he's like, yeah, fucking leave.

Exactly. It was like. Yeah. No, I think he was looking for a moment a little bit. Totally. Yeah. And also it's like, okay, Zach, if you're capable of saying something like that too,

so you don't care if a baby literally dies but then you're butthurt that you're not invited on the baby moon i think this just goes to show why you weren't invited on the baby moon exactly and he did sound super entitled on that phone call which is like i should be invited basically like i'm a cast member on the show this is the cast trip i need my episodic fee and I should be there. And it's like, no, that's not how it works. Right. You know, same as if it was Ariana's trip.

Tom Sandoval should not be invited. Exactly. No. It's sort of like luck of the draw between whose trip it is, I guess. I didn't get to go to Havasu. Right. There we go. So like you do have a little bit of power in that.

And, you know, I don't know. That's exactly what I'm talking about when it seems like he's glossing over a lot of past history where it's like as a i understand why i actually understand why a casual viewer might side with him in the edits that we've seen because we don't have that context yeah no totally and it's like janet said she was having early stress induced contractions and zach knew this but then he's still like taunting her on his Instagram story with the geotag and Big Bear. And like, she didn't sleep like that whole night.

And it was just like, what, you're just proving who you actually are. And I think he owes her a public apology. Don't know if we'll get it, but hopefully, you know, at least next season, I'm sure there'll be that. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. Hopefully. If Janet's open it but hopefully you know at least next season I'm sure there will be that yeah hopefully hopefully hopefully if Janet's open to it you know it's like I mean if I were her I don't know if I would be yeah that's the thing I mean now I think she's in a different

place you know she has a happy healthy baby a happy healthy marriage and I think that's a conversation they're going to have to have but I don't know that i ever see them really repairing their friendship i could see it eventually maybe where it's like okay we're in the same room you know like people can be like cordial with tom sandoval and recognize he's a human doesn't mean they're best friends again right you know like lala said that on her podcast today she did like a bonus episode and she was like i'm not writing for tom sandoval i'm not team tom i just recognized him as a human and that is all right so i feel like maybe zach will be able to be recognized as a human but not as a friend there we go i mean it's also like it's so early

in their show still that it's like i hope that like they can at least coexist just for the sake of like the longevity of yeah and i mean you know Brittany, I don't see her cutting out Zach. You know, that was her friend for a very long time from back home. Right, and then Jasmine's also in the middle. There's a lot of like middle men here, you know? And like, do you watch The Valley and you're like, if I was a friend of this cast, what would I be doing in this situation? Yeah, because there were so many moments where-

Because you are a real friend of the cast. Yeah, and that's the thing. There are so many events that I was invited to, but I didn't go. Right. But I'm like, I mean, yeah, I would have probably been at Kristen's James May thing. There was like a girl's dinner, the Jax event.

There was, I think Brock even filmed a couple other scenes too that you didn't even see. So we're always like around, but then I'm like, this is your thing. It's like, you know, and like before I ever had a kid, it's like if you like hold someone's kid, but then you're like, oh, I can give them back.

You know, it's like, this is your problem. Like it's not mine. Like I could just go. And also if you spend too much time with that kid, you don't want to take it home. You want to be more around it. Totally. Literally.

Okay. So to wrap things up, I have a fun game I thought we could play in a hypothetical situation where Bravo calls you up and hires you to be head of all programming. Wow. So how are you going to handle the following? Ooh, Sheena. Are you ready? What do you do with VPR? So how are you going to handle the following? Ooh, Sheena. Are you ready? Yeah.

What do you do with VPR? So initially, I actually liked the idea of some of you guys going to the Valley just because it's so natural. And I think that if you look at the group as it stands right now on VPR, it feels just really broken and just like there aren't bridges that can be built. I think after some time, that's probably not true. I think that as we discussed earlier, I think you just ride it out. I think you have to add some new faces to the mix though,

whether that is the significant others of certain people or whether that is, I don't know, other friends that are floating around your group that aren't on TV yet somehow. I do think that the group as it stands needs to be shifted a little bit, whether that's dropping some people or bringing more people on

or both. It just feels like it got so dark, you know? But I do like the idea of seeing more of you guys on the Valley, even if it is just

sort of guest stints because, again, like, it just feels like you would be there. You know what I mean? Well, yeah. Like, if Janet has a birthday party

this summer, like, I would be at Janet's birthday. But then it's like when it's not my job, but it's my friend. I had Sarah Heeran, who works with us weekly on my podcast, and we were talking about it. And she had a really good idea

that was sort of just like make it a little bit more fluid on both sides. Yeah. So if you brought some of the value people over to Phantom of Brulestorm a little bit more, same thing, vice versa. Like that could make it, it would still be, there still be sort of a boundary yeah in terms of how involved people would get but i think that like it'd be kind of a fun like summer house winter house totally where

if you don't watch winter house you're gonna miss some things on the next season of summer exactly and you sort of film around the same time where it's i think that that could be kind of interesting. Okay. Yeah. All right. How do you reshuffle Real Housewives of New Jersey? Do you do like a New York reboot? Do you do something more like Atlanta? Who stays? Who goes? What do you think? I don't know if I want a full, full, full clean slate on that show.

Yeah. To me, Jersey's about family. And that's what distinguishes it from other franchises. So, either you let go of some people and make it about a new family.

Yeah. Like, for example, I thought it was really telling that the entire season opened with a huge scene of Rachel Fuda's extended family. Mm-hmm. She's a new addition.

I think that people still have to get more attached to her. Yeah. But that was an interesting choice, I thought. And it kind of could be a potential preview for where the show could go. Mm-hmm. But I don an interesting choice, I thought. And it kind of could be a potential preview for where the show could go.

But I don't want all of them to be gone, especially if you think about like somebody like Jen Fessler, who is so watchable. She's kind of on the up and up. And it's like, you have to imagine she'd be a housewife next season. There's too much promise and too many stars on the show to completely, I don't want a full New York reboot.

Yeah, I agree. What happens with Summer House? You know, do you bring back both Carl and Lindsay? I mean, how does that work? They both did interviews, Lindsay with Glamour and Carl with New York Times. They both indicated that they're down to film with one another and coexist.

And again, I do not know what that looks like. I kind of think it would be what we were just talking about in terms of like, they just kind of live in the same house, I guess. I kind of want it would be what we were just talking about in terms of like, they just kind of live in the same house, I guess. I kind of want the cast to pretty much stay the same.

I think that this past season was lightning in a bottle. Yeah. It wouldn't be the same, but there's a nice chemistry here. Depending on how the reunion ends. Right. I'd like to see it

more or less the same. Okay. I would. What former cast members would you like to see brought back across existing shows like to Vanderpump Rules or Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Southern Charm?

Your show is tough because I feel like there aren't that many past people that like are down. You know what I mean? Like, I think Charlie was great, but she never fully got a fair shake on the show, I guess. Dana was on for one season. And I think that it seems like she doesn't really want to be on the show anymore. So I think Vanderpump Rules is tough. I think it has to be, again, new people.

I'm trying to think of other shows where... I think on Miami, I think it'd be interesting if they added this woman, Anna, who kind of showed up last season. She clearly wants to be part of it. And that's a big part of trying to find these people who want to return. Again, Jersey, the cast has remained the same for so long. Like, who would you bring back?

I think Atlanta is where you have a lot of people. Like, they're obviously working on this season now, but it's like, there's a lot of great women who have been on that show that I would like to see back. And in my dreams, Monique would be back on Potomac, but I don't think that will ever happen. Yeah. What about if you could bring back one show on Bravo,

what would it be? Before I rewatched it, when it was added to Peacock, I would have said NYC Prep. Because I was just like, such a whatever. You know what show I, you know what?

Hmm. This is a really hard question, Sheena. I miss Shaw's. Shaw's is really and like they've kept those three just sort of like

floating around. That would be really great to bring back. You know, I also I rewatched Real Housewives of D.C. recently.

Those women had some promise. Yeah. They had some promise. And I think that like if that show, if they hadn't canceled it 10, 15 years ago, whatever it was, they would now, they'd be filming at the White House Correspondence Center.

Now it would be so- Right, it would be so different. Like back then, Reality TV had like kind of a stink to it in the broader pop culture. But now it's like, people want a piece of the Vanderpump Pie. They want a piece of the Real Housewives Pie.

They would have been invited to all these legit events now. And I think that would have been cool to see. Yeah, for sure. Is there any new programming that you would like to see? Like maybe a Housewives franchise in a new city, younger generation? Yeah, I do think that we're missing. We have Atlanta, but I think another Southern show could be interesting. We had Dallas, doesn't exist. Nashville could be good if it's like sort of like country music adjacent kind of like

have a country musician or a country musician's wife on there could be really good like that and i also think you know bravo has so many gay viewers but there's no show about gay people right you know like there certain shows have certain gay people on them yeah which is great but there's they have not been able to find a show about gay people that work. So I think if they found a gay friend group in LA, New York, somewhere else, who knows? Palm Springs. Palm Springs. I think that'd be kind of great.

I like that. Yeah. Any shows that you would like to see put on pause? I think it was right for Winterhouse to be put on pause. I will say that. I was sad to hear about Martha's Vineyard because I think it was right for Winterhouse to be put on pause. I will say that. I was sad to hear about Martha's Vineyard because I think

if you think about the original Summer House remember those first two seasons it was like the work of twins were around it was kind of like it wasn't really working. Yeah.

And then they added Paige, Hannah. That's when I started watching it. I didn't watch the first two seasons. The first two seasons you don't need to watch them. I know. But that reset

they did in their third season set them up on this trajectory they've been on ever since. Yeah. And I just wish that Martha's Vineyard had gotten that chance because there was a lot of promise that this needed some shuffling to go around. Right now, is there any other show that I think should be on pause? Not really. I mean, you guys are on like an extended hiatus. I think that it's just sort of like, you know like cds used to skip a little bit that's what it is it's not it's not a pause it's just like a little scratch you know what i mean that's why that's what i view where you guys stand right now yeah no i i would be shocked if that happened to your show because then i don't want that to happen to your show

like please something has to change but i don't think that that was it for us. Yeah. Sitting at the reunion, watching that, it felt extremely final. And Andy was like, I thought that too, but like, no, no. Yeah. And like, you've had seasons where it felt like that at the end before, you know? Season five, I thought it was done. The wedding ended so beautifully. No one fought and we're like, are we done? And then I got divorced.

And not that that like saved anything. You know, it was just the show, I think was still good, but it was just the way it ended. I was like, oh, that was happy. Even last season, the scene at Pump when it was kind of an emotional scene. It's like that was going to be the finale.

And that could have been a series finale. Who knows? But I'm glad it wasn't. But yeah, no, you guys, I'm not putting you on pause. How can we do this again? And then we do it't. But yeah, no, you guys, I'm not putting you on pause. We're always like, how can we do this again? And then we do it again. If I'm the head of programming, I'm not putting you on pause.

Okay. Love it. Could I ask you who you would bring back to any show? Like somebody who you were friends with on another show. I know you talked about Crystal, but like. Yeah, I think I would like to see Rinna back on Housewives. I think, you know, she's the perfect amount of messy. And I needed a pause though.

Yeah, for sure. But, you know, I would like Stassi to come back. I mean, that's a fever dream. And I, yeah. Yeah, even if it was just as a friend, just a couple pop-ins, a couple play dates,

you know, because we don't get Ocean on the show. And Summer and Hartford do hang out. And so I'm like, just a little bit, maybe. You know, like she publicly really indicates that she doesn't want to do that. And she's so close off. Is it the same personally? Her life is in a really good place. You know, it would have to make sense and it would have to be right. good place. You know, it would have to make sense and it would have to be right. But I think with us being on pause, it gives some more time to think about it. Maybe change your mind. Sheena, I'm giving you a summer project.

Yeah. Right. Plant the seeds. Yeah. Okay. For sure. I don't know. All right. Well, thank you for getting into shenanigans with me. Everyone, be sure to check out Gibson's podcast, Gabbing with Gib.

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