Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Leaks, Lies & Toxic Guys

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

From a Stagecoach evacuation to an alleged Stagecoach affair, and from a homemade birthday cake for Summer Moon to a not-so-sweet “homewrecking” predecessor, Scheana and Kiki cover it all this week. They break down the latest Bravo chaos, including the fallout from Steven McBee’s leaked texts and the Summer House reunion audio that has everyone talking (and yes—they have thoughts). Somehow, they find a way to be even less impressed with West Wilson… and that’s before his spicy photos dropped. With Scheana becoming a storyline across multiple shows, she also sets the record straight on the “don’t bite the hand that feeds” narrative and opens up about her complicated history with Lisa Vanderpump. Plus, which OG Vanderpump Rules cast member was in talks for a potential Season 12 return before the reboot? Tune in—it’s fiery, unfiltered, and nothing is off-limits. Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Co-Host: @thetalkofshame Purchase your very own copy of the NYT Best-selling book/audiobook MY GOOD SIDE at www.mygoodsidebook.com!  Episode Sponsors:Nuuly is a great value at $98 a month for any 6 styles, but right now you can get $28 off your first month when you sign up with the code goodasgold. Just go to Nuuly.com and enter the code goodasgold at sign up to get $28 off your first month. Nuuly Subscription Clothing Rental. Change Your Clothes.Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. From Vanderpump rules to motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle. It's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Shea. Okay. We're back for some more shenanigans. I was going to go solo today, but then I realized my girl Kiki is leaving us for the south of France for a few weeks.

So I was like, you know what? Pause on the solo. I can do that any time because I'm one person. But I just needed to have a little kiki with you before you leave. Yeah, you know. How was your weekend? It was good, you know? I just like hanging out.

I feel like I'm in a good place. I like where I'm going, doing some new projects. I mean, yeah, going to the south of France. You know. So what all are you going to do? So I have a good friend who's opening up an art gallery. And she wanted me to come cover it. Obviously, I'll be there with the festival.

So I will be trying to sneak on to any yon. parties if I can get in. So, you know, I love the South of France. I went to Nice once and I was like determined to this is when that Sex and the City song was out. And I was like, I'm going to go to Nice and I'm going to meet a French rapper. We're going to get married and live in the South of France. But that has not happened yet. But maybe this time. Maybe. You never know. Manifest that for you. Yeah. And you're in your tourist slash festival season. I know. Started with so summer, you know, obviously the older she gets and her birthday falls on stage coach. Do I have to go sometimes, yes, for work. But this year I was like, okay, I don't technically have to be

there. So I looked at the lineup. I was like, I'm not missing Sunday. Sunday's her actual birthday. And it's also the day I gave birth. So let's normalize celebrating the moms on the kids' birthdays too, you know? Yeah. So I was like, okay, here's the thing. I'm going to throw her a party on Friday because I asked her, I'm like, when do you want to do a party? Do you want to do it on a Saturday, Friday, so we can do after school? I gave her all these options. She, like, Friday. So I was like, okay, we'll skip the festival Friday. Did her birthday party after school from three to six. Betty Brocker made the entire cake from scratch. Oh my gosh. He was up like all night the night before fondon to the whole thing. Oh, there was fondant on it? Yes. The whole cake was covered

in black fondon. Oh, my God. Yeah. I don't know if I saw the final product. I saw him making it. I don't know if I saw the final product. Yeah. And then he like rolled the dragon eggs on it to like give it a little texture and then placed all the eggs on it, toothless on top. I mean, he crushed it and it actually tasted good too. Oh, okay. Did the sprinkles in it. It was really good. I still need to come over and fix some things at my house. Done. When you're back, just let him know. Yeah. So then after party wrapped up at six, everyone knew we were going out to the desert. So we got out to the desert and we were thinking, we're like, okay, do we go into the festival at the very end for Diplo? Or do we just go see Diplo at Zanjara? So did that? Went to the after.

We're up so late. And then festival Saturday, went back to the house Saturday night so we could wake up with her on her birthday, three hours sleep, maybe, four. And then we went to the Palm Springs Surf Club for the day. Oh, what's that?

It's so cool. So they have like a full, like, wave, like, simulation thing. I don't know, it creates, wait. It's like you go surfing. Okay. But they have a lazy river, water slides.

It was so fun. Okay. And I had two of her older cousins, they're like 11 and 13 come out and surprise her. Okay. And then, I mean, built in babysitters. She didn't care what we did that night. She just wanted to be with her cousins.

No, that's so fun. Well, the one thing I'm sad about going to Cannes is I'm going to miss your actual birthday party, which I'm sad. I feel like it's become a tradition. That's right. And so I'm really, really sad. I literally tried to look at every flight and it was like there was no way I was going to get there before the opening.

Yeah. But the good thing was last week, I guess SkyZone heard us talking about SkyZo. They reached out and they were like, we'd love. love to set up a date. So as a makeup birthday party, I want us to have like a huge just day with like you, your kids, my friend, their kids. But I just mostly want to play. Okay. Wait, I love that. We'll plan it. I know Christina wants to come for sure. Yeah. Let's just do that. Okay. Sounds good. Did you see everything online? I mean, I'm sure you did. Saturday, everyone getting evacuated from the festival. Oh my God. What? The wind? So the wind did pick up and quite early. So I was like,

it's only probably going to get worse. It doesn't usually get better, but then it started to get better. There was already one tree that had completely, like Brock saw it fall down. No one was saying right there. No. Maybe people heard it or whatever,

but yeah, so that tree came down. And then, I mean, just on all of the screens, they're like, evacuate, seek shelter. And the winds are starting to die down and we're like, it's not that bad. Yeah. Like, do we really need to leave? So we're like, we're going to wait this out.

Because I'm reading into what it's saying and saying the festival is postponed until further notice. Okay. They didn't say it's canceled. Okay. So I'm like, postponed until tomorrow, postponed until later tonight. Like, let's just kind of wait it out and see. So we're waiting in the back of like the GA area. But the security guard comes over to us and it starts yelling at us that we need to leave and this and that.

And we're like, yeah, I guess that maybe it is canceled. Yeah. So we get out. We had taken e-bikes, but there were five of us and only four bikes, whatever it was, we had an extra person. And so my sister was like, all the car pick us up, then go get us to go back to the house. So I was like, okay, take dad. I'll take the bike. I have not ridden a bike since I think stagecoach 2007 or eight fell off the bike at that stage coach.

No. Oh, that one. Yeah, that one. So I'm like, it's okay. We're going to do it. I'm not putting my dad in like wind and all of that like on this little e-bike. So they take the car right as we pull the bikes up to the house. They're like, the festival's back open.

Like, are you kidding me? Thankfully, we were only a six minute bike ride. So we're like, okay, well, we're back here. Let's just like reset for a few. They pushed all the sets like an hour. Okay. So we like change, get a little more cozy, have a drink. And then we're like, all right, let's go back.

And then by then my dad was like, I'm seated in the car. I'm not coming back. And it felt so bad because he wanted to see Lainey Wilson. Oh, well, and he didn't get to. I know. That sucks. Yeah. So we missed out on that with him, but I had my best friend, Adri, from high school with

me, and she just loves Lainey. Okay. So the three of us just went back in and had so much fun. Now, was Lainey big prior to Yellowstone? Because she's the one from Yellowstone, right? Yes. And my dad had never heard of her before then. Okay.

I never heard of her until my dad. Okay. So they basically created a country star. I think so. Yeah. But she was so awesome. She does like that at her. No, I didn't get to meet her. But what was great was because everyone had left the pit area, which at Coachella was like beyond oversold. Yeah. I mean, we were right there. Oh, amazing. There was just no one there. We had so much space around us. It was crazy. Yeah. So I was like, I'm not mad at this. But yeah, we had so much fun. And then it's so cute. Lainey brings up a. cowgirl of the night and like gives her a hat and it's usually like a little kid or someone I guess. And this little girl was so adorable. Like she didn't know what was going on. She's like looking at

herself on the big screens and was like, okay. Yeah. But it was really cute. So we like her. Do you think that bigger music fans come to stagecoach than Coachella? Like people are more into country music than they are. Okay. Yeah. And the difference too, you see everyone at Coach is like this, whereas everyone at stagecoach is like this. Like, you don't see a lot of phones out. Like, I felt like I couldn't even really record because I'm like looking around. No one around me is recording. So I was like, I'll just get a couple videos to like show my dad like, well, this is where we were.

But I think that's why it's easier for me to hate on Coachella from my couch because so many people at Coachella are doing content. Whereas like stage code, I'm like, I don't really see much of anything. No, the win was like the big thing. Yeah. No, it was good. I love that. Yeah. Oh, I was looking, so I saw, like, yesterday,

there was, like, this whole thing that went down at stagecoach. You know the McBee Dynasty that show with, like, the McBee brothers? Yes, we met them at BravoCon. I heard there was some scandal or something, but I don't know what it is. So basically, Steve McBee, Jr., who's like, you know, he's the junior. He's the one that's taken over the farms. He started dating this woman, Ali Eklund, who I don't know, but she was at BravoCon. That was the girl he was with, I believe.

Gotcha. Okay, so maybe I met her then because I met a chunk of them in cowboy hats couldn't tell who from who. And she looks very similar to his ex Kayla, right? So I guess he left stage coach early to get back to, I think, Missouri to do whatever work he needs to do. Ali stayed behind. She had after party. She was partying. All of a sudden, I wake up Monday morning. There is a video from Steve McBee. He's like posting a whole video with sitting next to his dog. He's like, I'm so sorry, you guys, for bringing attention to my relationship on social media. That's not who I am. but, you know, I was just having a bad day. And I was like, what is he talking about? And he had posted these stories where someone DMed him in the middle of the night videos that he said showed Ali cheating on him. At stagecoach?

At stagecoach at this after party. She said, are you still with that girl, Allie? He's like, yeah, why? And there was a video. He didn't play the video. He just set the screenshot and the guy that, you know, the profile of the guy. So basically he's like saying that she cheated and that's all we see. So you see all of the, you know, reality starts flooding into his comments.

I see Kyle Cook, I see Kristen Doty. They're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe Be Strong Man, you know, they're all supporting him. I'm like, let me wait this out because I know these Megby guys. I want to wait until Allie wakes up. It's a seven in the morning in West Coast time. Well, Allie wakes up and she's like, are you kidding me? And she goes scorched earth. She starts releasing all of the text, full contacts of him.

Like, you know, when Katie, the Katie Rage text that you're. Rage text. This was rage text to a whole new level, though, because it was abusive. It was calling her a hooker. So James Kennedy rage texts. A whore. You're a slut. You've never been in a slut.

I don't know why I tried to make a slut into a girlfriend. You'll never be anything of a slut. You better come here. You better book your flight now to get your shit out of my house. Right now you fucking hook. I mean, it was. And was this from the night before, just like, through their relationship. This was from the night of him just rage texting from this video.

And she's like, she basically was, what are you talking about? She went and did an us weekly interview of, like, Like, I don't even know why she released the full video. The full video does not show any grinding or cheating or anything. It's just her having a good time at Stagecoach. So then he deleted the video because I think he really went online thinking he was going to garner sympathy. Which made the reality stars look bad because it did look like they were supporting him. And then when she came out with this side, he deleted the video.

Now, Kayla, the XX. Now she's been releasing text. She's like, you know, I've been quiet for two years. But, you know, this is what I've experienced too. she started releasing text and I said, this is like, you know, when you have like the Streisand effect

or milkshake duck? I'm like, there's a new McBee reverse Uno because he thought he was going to do something. Oh my gosh. The show's coming out, I think, in a month,

the new season of McBee. Obviously, we'll watch and she's on it, the new girlfriend. Wow. I mean, he does not look. I mean,

he looks worse than Jack's maybe. I don't know. I mean, he's like, that's like, verbally abusive. language, hate language. It's not good.

Now, James used to do that. I remember there was one night we were at Ladoo for some, something with the, maybe when the hills came back or whatever it was, we were there for like some party. He was out of town on a DJ gig back when he was drinking. And Raquel was a little drunk with me. And Ariana, I made sure I took an Uber, took her back to her house. I get her upstairs in Park LaBrea, literally tuck her into bed, plug her phone in for her. And I was like, okay, you're good.

And when she woke up, I mean, so many texts from him. And I was like, James, I had to block his number that night. I was like, she didn't do anything wrong. She had a few drinks, as clearly you did too. She went home. I tucked her in bed. She was perfectly fine. She wasn't doing anything.

She did not deserve any of these texts. And that was like kind of towards the beginning of the end. Yeah. And then, you know, he got sober. And so we thought it was better. And then here we go again. The worst part, not the worst part, but one of the bad parts, too, is he also talked about, he's like, and this is why

you always have your tits out, you dress like a slut. And here's my thing. Guys like that want the girl that looks like that. They want that body. They want to show her off like a trophy piece. But the minute they're mad, all of a sudden, because she dresses that way, she's, you know, a slut. She has her tits out.

And I'm just like, give me a fucking break. It pisses me off to no end. Yeah. Yeah, no. So. That's wild. Yeah. Wait, do they do a reunion on that show?

They, I don't wear it. I think so. I don't remember, actually. I think they might. I think they might. It's not they will this season. If anything, yeah. You know Cal is coming out and we'll see what happens. Wow. Wait, is this their second or third season? This is like their fourth season. I think this might be the season four. Yeah. That's crazy. Season three or four. I am so behind on my reality TV. I'm behind on TV in general. And I'm like, I don't know which lane to pick. Do I try and like catch up with every housewife in the valley and all of that?

because I'm already behind. Yeah. Or do I just like switch to scripted and just like... I know. Let me tell you, while can will be a vacation, honestly, the flight itself where I can just be offline and watching TV and being hot up will be the best part of the vacation. Yeah. Okay.

So when I go to London next month. Yeah. Well, I think we're going to take a red eye flight, so I will try and sleep. Yeah. Okay. That is a good time to catch up on the flight back. Oh, yeah, because you're going, what is it called? What fest is that?

Mighty Hoopla. Heidi Hoopla. Yeah. And then Erica Jane, I think, is going to be there, too. She was there last year. Meredith Marks is there this year. Okay, Meredith Marks. Yeah.

Okay. Uh-huh. Those are sisters. Jesse Jay. Oh, my God. I'm excited. That'll be fun. Yeah.

And then I have another club appearance. I think it's called Coco. Okay. On the second. All right. So, yeah. You should try to hang out with the ladies of London while you're there. Ooh.

See, that's another show that it's like I want to watch it. But, okay. Speaking of reality shows. Yes. Summerhouse. Oh my God. More reunion, leaked audio. I mean, now it's like a full-blown situation.

So I don't know if they're still up right now, but we listened to leak two and leak three last night. I was like, I'm going to listen to this immediately before it gets pulled down. But, I mean, at this point, it's like, who knows how many more are even coming still? Because I heard somewhere that there were like 20 or 30 minutes. It's total. Yeah. And they only released in those parts like seven minutes or so. So I definitely thought they were going to draw throughout the night, but it looks like

that account got completely banned or deleted. So I don't think they could finish what they were trying to do. Yeah. I mean, at this point, it's like you can't put the genie back in the bottle. You know, everything, at least this whole chunk of it is out there. Yeah. And I mean, can we just acknowledge how fucked up this is? It is.

Like, it's such a huge betrayal. I mean, not just of the cast, but like the entire crew. Like the amount of literal sometimes blood, but sweat and tears, like all of the shit that goes into the reunions. Yeah. It's so much. And for it all to just like these chunks come out without full context. Yeah. I mean.

It's absolutely a violation. And I absolutely agree with Andy when he says it's a violation. I totally agree. And I apologize. It's still not going to stop. me from listening to him. No, I'm still going to watch it. But I will say the reason, and I mean, this is going to make me sound like a bitch,

the reason I feel that I am qualified to listen to the leaks is because I have media literacy. Yeah. And it's not going to prevent me from going into the reunion and watching it. If anything, it's making me more excited. I'm not going to lie. It's not. I do think it's making other people more excited too, but I'm not going to rage about it.

I just, I'm going to listen and then I'm going to go into the reunion and watch it. But, you know, Mandy, Mandy don't care. is all I know. But here's what I'm wondering is are they going to cut other segments of the reunion now to have this play out in full? Or are they going to add another part? I mean, I feel like from what I remember, our season 10 reunion, was it about anything other than Scandival? I felt like we talked about that all day. I think that now, especially with this leak, I think we're absolutely going to get a four-part reunion. And with Andy making the announcement on his show that a Bravo, fan broke the case and that the rumor was that it was Jennifer Lawrence. I think that that fourth part will delve into the uncovering. I don't know if they'll name the leak, but I think it'll go into how the leak was, I think it has

something to do with a sound engineer and the sound that was coming in the room because it does sound like there was some sort of HVAC unit and someone identified it. I don't know, but I think that will absolutely play out as an extra part of the ring. Or I wonder, just because, I mean, the amount they have. have to pay that cast for another episode. Obviously, they have the money. But, like, I fear that other people's stories that were also important this season are going to get cut short to cover this more instead of adding a fourth episode.

They've never done a four-part reunion. Only for Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills was the only one. Yeah, they got four parts. That was the only one. It was Erica, the arrest and, you know, Tom Dorr-Dor-Roy. That was really four parts? That was the only time we got a four-part reunion.

We were like, God, a month of reunion. But we watched. A month of reunion. It was a full month. Yeah. But yeah, you know, because here's the thing. So I know by the time this episode comes out, Summerhouse will have played. I did watch the screener though before. And it's still so good.

Now, do I think that the editors are coming in and adding some parts because it's sticking out? Because there is a confessional with Kyle. Again, you'll see it by then. Where he talks about, you know, Amanda hasn't come out. And he, she won't respond to any of his. text and then West responds to a group text and all of a sudden Mandy immediately responds and

she's like hearting it and he's like so this is what it took from West like you'll respond to West but not me and it's just like oh so it's still interesting but we also see the in the city cast make an appearance

in this episode clearly they're trying to make the transition see wait am I behind an episode on SummerHouse no this is the one that comes out tonight But nobody's seen it But by the time this episode comes out Totally, okay So yeah

So like in the city was introduced In this episode Obviously they want to make that transition They want to show the tension That's happening between Danielle and Lindsay still And so Will that work?

I don't know I don't know Because they already filmed Obviously in the city Yeah And the worst part Is because also in this episode You also see

Kyle trying to talk about Sierra and West and he's like, I wonder if this conversation they're having will also be her revealing she still has feelings. So it means

not only has Sierra been talking to Amanda about this, Kyle has been part of these conversations too. So she's probably been talking to them as a couple. So it literally, it gets better and better every week. Oh my gosh.

Oof. Well, look at her. She's going to be on Dancing with the Stars. So like, you go, girl. Yeah. Do we think Has anyone checked on Sheena will ever end? Oh, no. That'll never. Sorry. That's never going to end. Sorry, boo. I tried to start a new as anyone checked on Jesse after those Michelle and Dr. Tray thinks about. I don't know if it'll pick up. Oh, my God, right? Also, it saw Giselle Bryant and Angelina Jolie casually crossing paths.

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The dating detectives, new episodes every Monday, wherever you get your podcasts. All right. So let's just, let's start with West. Okay. He stated on his podcast, something to the effect of like people should come for him, not Amanda. But dude, and these leaked audio clips, I mean, I don't. know that I really heard his voice once. Maybe, maybe once. That's exaggerating. Okay. But like, he's not defending his woman. Nope. It's like, it's all fun in games when you know you're sneaking

around and then shit comes the surface and now you have to deal with it. Now this is your girl. Mm-hmm. You guys going to date. You're going to get married, run off into the fucking sunset together. Like, where's this going? Yeah. Because you blew up your friendships. Mm-hmm. So. No. And she left with him. But Kyle did confirm today. Bravo and Cocktails made a post about how, you know, we didn't hear West defending and Kyle pretty much yeah, he said yeah, that's how it went down and I mean

I think at one point in the league didn't we even hear Amanda asking Kyle to defend her? Like wasn't she like Kyle to say? Like girl, what? Yeah. You better look to your left. Literally. I mean, the seating arrangement perfect.

Perfection. That's how it needed to be. But it's like you know, West he's not giving that like, well, was it like a 17 page email that Kyle Cook energy that Amanda's become accustomed to. Yeah. I mean, Kyle, I saw, he commented somewhere today, said how West is all PR, zero integrity and didn't have Amanda's back at the reunion. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So he's saying that. I mean, Kyle is very alpha male. And I think West gives, even though he's this big sports guy, I think he gives beta energy. And like, some people want that beta energy. But, you know,

I don't like it's so can we also talk for a second when we saw them all come into the reunion Kyle is looking very good these days yeah I mean I don't know how he drinks so much and ages backwards yeah like Benjamin buttoning literally yeah yeah I feel like with West he's always gonna protect himself first you know like I can't see him actually like truly just defending his woman you know no he's into himself he only cares about himself which is why like when people are like, is he good in bed? I'm like, I can't imagine a world in which he is because one, maybe I know, maybe we all saw all the leaks.

I was just going to go there. Okay. Are those real or are they AI? Oh, I think they're real. And not that it's right. I don't think that. I think that revenge porn is awful. Totally.

You should not release it. But as you know, people just send us stuff and like you can't help but look. But even beyond that, I just like, he's such a self-revement. absorbed man. I just don't envision him being a giver in bed and that good personally. Yeah. And I feel like as history would show on Bravo shows that these type of guys, like they land just fine. Oh yeah. You know, I mean, there are even comments of how Jacks is missed on the Valley right now. Oh, God. Oh, God. I mean, it's just like the toxic men on Bravo don't fall. No, they don't. Like, he'll thrive. And even if he doesn't thrive at Bravo. He'll fail upward. Yeah. I think complex.

will ride his coattails and use him for whatever. And because that's also full of toxic men over there. Oh, crazy. Yeah. But I mean, from all of the leaks, I'll say I was really surprised with the tone, the lack of accountability from Amanda. Like, even if it wasn't genuine, I would have assumed that she would go into the reunion empathetic.

Like, learn from Raquel. Yeah. Learn from us. like Schwartz literally stood there and said, you guys, don't fuck this up. You have something magical and like learn from us. But like clearly she didn't. And I mean, it's like what we're getting from these clips. It's like basically Amanda saying, well, I'm single.

I can do whatever I want. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. And look, she was in a lose-lose situation because if she came in contrite, we wouldn't have cared. If she had come in as a villain, we clearly didn't care. And I just think that she decided to lean in villain.

And like, again, I, hate it, but I always say, like, lean into your best villain if that's what you want to be and she's doing it. And now I'm shocked by it. But I guess I just, because I didn't expect it. Because, again, she's been very one-dimensional up until now. And now we're seeing 3D Amanda, 4D Amanda. I'm like, I'm seeing size. I never knew existed in you, girl. I don't like them. Yeah. Did you feel that way about Raquel, too? One-dimensional until Scandival? She still was one-dimensional even after Scandible, only, no, because there was nothing. She wasn't really giving me. Like, I don't think that she was

beat. She was getting like, she was getting eaten up. Yeah. I do think Amanda's getting eaten up, but she's eaten back and that's what's I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy. You're really doing this. But again, we only have seven, maybe ten minutes

at this point. You know, as long as it takes Rob to hang a TV. Oh, he was at stagecoach this weekend. I had someone come up to me and they're like, oh, I ran into your seven minute TV hanging X today. But then what was so funny is my cousin is dating a guy who very much resembles Rob. And at one point, me and him were walking to the bathroom. And I was like, oh, my God, is someone going to think because they knew Rob was here?

Yes, exactly. But, okay, back to Amanda and West. My question is, if it's not wrong, then why are you hiding it? Why deny it? Why are you lying? You're single. You can do whatever you want. So you don't feel it's wrong.

I mean, it's just like you don't lie about something that you feel fully justified in, you know? Absolutely. I don't like, again, the biggest betrayal in situation to me is with Sierra. I just, you know, again, I feel bad for Kyle and all of that stuff. But like, that is where it's at for me. You knew. And again, this episode this week showed even more how much she knew. And you can even see the look in her face where you realize something has already gone down. I don't know if it was physical or emotional. But the emotional 100%. The look that she had in her face when she learned that they were going to go on a double date with Ben and Sabrina, she was shook.

You could see it in her face. Yeah. Interesting. I mean, I feel like there's this like underlying resentment towards Sierra, you know, that is coming out and you can just, you see it. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Whether it's jealousy or storylines, attention. Insecurity, jealousy, all the things combined. Yeah. Like, she's, that's... No, you can't be friends with people who are jealous of you. No. Like, I've really learned that.

And, oh, but it's like the way Amanda is reacting just doesn't scream. I hurt my friend. No. It's more like, well, why is everyone against me? Why is everyone defending her? Like, I'm single. I'm going through a divorce.

I didn't do anything wrong. And, and like she's bought into the West propaganda of, like, this has been going up two years and she just won't let it go and like I'm just so sick of it and she's just like yeah like she needs to just let it go. You're like barely even dated and it was two years ago. Like it feels like she's buying into that propaganda.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't know. There's like real manipulation duplicity, gas lighting, all of the things that you know, Scandival portrayed just right back here. Yeah. And it's like they weren't

even just sneaking around. Like they were also like, you know, as they said like, galavans and they were like out together. Yeah, in their face. I just, did you ever think after Scandible, we would ever have another scandal on Bravo like this? No. They would be, but like.

Who's that dumb? Yeah. We saw what happened. Like, that's what's crazy. I know. I'm shocked still. Yeah. That this, like, I don't know.

And I think what makes it land emotionally more than anything is just Sierra's history. You know how she's been so open about having her guard up. struggling to trust, like being attracted to someone of another race. And it's just like, imagine, you know, every private conversation you've had with a friend, just wondering if it was like repeated or twisted or used against you and just questioning what's real. Like, it's just like, oh. Well, you know she's reading into that.

Because again, when we saw last week, both Amanda and Wes, you separately, I see you. Uh-huh. She knew in that moment they've been talking about her to each other. And that had to make her heart sink. Yeah. And I mean that like kind of betrayal, you know, it really does reshape how you move going forward. And it stays with you. It will get easier over time, of course, because time heals all wounds and whatnot.

But it just, it reshapes your trust. No. And you try not to ruin future relationships because of it. But you know that the next guy, you're going to ask crazy questions and do crazy things that you don't want to, but you can't help yourself. No. It's, you know, it is a very real relatable kind of. hurt and it's just, it's just shitty. It really is. There was one point in the leaked audio where it sounds like Sierra was making a comparison

if, like, how it would look if Kyle and Amanda's friend Katie, I think Katie DeLuca, who's on the city one, like if they had a secret thing going on, just to kind of show the level of duplicity. And Amanda's response is like, well, we've been friends since the third grade and It's like a deeper friendship, meaning that it's not the same level of betrayal. Like, no, you just like have maybe respect for her for other reasons, maybe melinated. I don't know. I'm just saying, like, I just think that certain white women, they could have lots of black girlfriends, but they don't put them in the same bucket of worthiness sometimes. Like, they just see them as inferior or I don't know.

Yeah, and it's like, I mean, to Sierra, you know, like Amanda was one of her best friends. That's just, it's, oh, it's so fucked up. Like, Paige and Sierra hyped you up on that bikini line that was like. Yes, they were like the best hype women, the girls, girls of all girls. Yeah. I would not lose that for anything in the world. Are you kidding me? Like, no, no, no, no, no.

It's also very telling that Amanda admits she was scared to tell Sierra because she knew it would end the friendship. So why are you doing it in the first place? Exactly. Exactly. You know, but it's like, still, it didn't, the whole, the joint PR statement. Which we did. It was a joke.

Yeah, exactly. But even to joke about it, it's just like, why are you even joking about it? Yeah. I would love to know the conversations Amanda's mother is having with her because that, to me, would also inform a lot. Because if she's also co-signing on Amanda's behavior, then there's no winning. Because if your own mom, I can't tell you that you're doing wrong.

Yeah. There's no hope. No, literally. Okay. Any final thoughts on that? I'm still excited. Every week I turn on Summer House and I still fucking love it and I and I would watch 10 hours of it, but I would still watch all four parts of the watch. Yeah. And sending her a text, not even a call, not even an in person, you know, saying damned if you do, damned if you don't. Like, you could have handled it better. You could have been honest early. Yeah. You could have sat her down in person.

Could have said, you know, we are in love. We didn't mean for any of this to happen. Like, I understand if this changes things between me and you, but like, I want to tell you before someone else does, before you find out in a shitty way. Yeah. Like Instagram. And you know what? Here's the last thing I'll say on this.

I think, you know, we both take mental health very seriously. We don't want to see anyone in that type of place of darkness. Amanda's been very open about her depression. her mental health struggles and whatnot. And Kyle has reminded others about that with his like man on the street interview and, you know, she's going through it. But Amanda has this expectation of empathy from others,

but seems to be lacking in that for Sierra in this whole mess. What about Sierra's mental health? What about, you know, it just... Yeah, no. Like right now this woman is going through all sorts of phases of betrayal, trust, like not even knowing. her mental health is struggling too. Because also, she also admitted she was on Prozac this year.

She's also trying to be less. Yeah. So she's also been open about our mental health. So yeah. Like. Yeah. And it's like, where was the concern for how this was going to affect Sierra? You know, that's not someone prioritizing of friendship and having a consideration and care

for a good friend. That's just like managing a fallout. Yeah. No. And it's like the weirdest part about these sorts of splits. It's like a death, but the person still is walking around. Like at least with death, it's a finality. It sucks, but like it's done.

No, it's just a death because you really can't ever talk to them again, but you might accidentally run into them in the city somewhere. Yeah. And there could have been a world where Sierra maybe could have accepted this if they handled it properly. Yeah. I mean, hell, there would have maybe even been a world if Tom and Raquel handled it properly. Like, I mean, you know, I don't think it would have been a scorched earth reunion.

Yeah. If before anything happened, hey, these feelings are starting to come. You and I aren't in a good place. Like, I don't know. Yeah. But it's just like the way these people handle their shitty behavior. Oh. Anyway, okay, that's all I have to say on that.

Well, I want to talk a little more about reality TV, but in a different way. Because it's so funny any time you start going viral somewhere. Immediately I start getting DMs. I'm like, what does Sheena have to say about? this because they're like, ask her. Ask Gina right now. Has anyone checked on her? And I'm just like, well, yeah, I'm probably talking about her, but I'm not going to tell you.

Right. But obviously, I feel like you've gone more viral on reality shows this past week. That I'm not even on. That you're not even on. We keep seeing you. I keep seeing you in my feet. And obviously one of the big ones was, you know, Stasi coming back to Vanderpump Villa and her

and Lisa Vanderpump, literally sitting down and having an entire conversation. I feel like trashing you. You know, I'm just curious, like, when you see that, like, what is going through? Like, what are you thinking? Are you kind of just like, ugh? Honestly, I look at my tattoo and I just say, let them. I think a year ago, I would have already addressed this on the podcast.

I would have already been in the comment section. I probably would have done a story about it or a live or something just being like, I need to defend myself. I need to get my part out there. But here's the thing. Like, nothing I said in my book was untrue. I think I would have been sued by now if I said some shit that wasn't true. Yeah.

So it's like there's a big difference between speaking your lived experience and talking shit. From what I've heard, and I don't even think I saw all of it. People were sending me TikToks and whatever of Stasi and Lisa. So I don't know that I saw all of it. Like, they were talking shit. Yeah. It wasn't a lived experience. This is what I went through with Sheena sort of thing.

You know? So it's like if you actually read my book. book, you know, I did not trash Lisa. I also spoke very highly of Lisa. I have had so much respect for Lisa as a businesswoman, as a mother, like core memories and things that I will take with me and how like I run businesses. And I mean, I just remember when I started working at Villablanca, I first thought, oh my God, like, so because her son is adopted, they just make him the dishwasher. Like that's so fucked up. And Pandora gets to be the lead server and just like, face of, of front of house and all that. But then I found out that Max at 16 was caught smoking weed and

got like suspended from school and that was his punishment. And I was like, damn, good on you. Like mad respect for your parenting style. Yeah. And just running businesses and everything. Like I had so many good things to say about her over the years. And I think I said some of those in the book as well. But it's like the truth is we did have a complicated relationship. Yeah. and that's what I covered in the book. I also, I know how this world works. You know, I was a part of it for a very long time. And I've been on the receiving end of those phone calls and those nudges and those

suggestions of, you know, what to say, when to say it, where to say it. Maybe you can tweet this. I know Twitter's not as big anymore, threads, whatever. So it's like when I see certain narratives popping up, it doesn't really feel. feel random or surprising. I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I see where you're coming from. I see exactly what you're doing because I've done it before. Like, I think it was maybe Erica Jane who said that Lisa reeked of cigarettes and wine or, I don't even know what she said, but it was something insulting. Yeah. Ring, ring. I get a phone call. Hi, darling.

You know, and it was just like, I can't tell you what to say. However, you know, if you'd go and do a little tweet, it might be nice to say something of the other side. And so I was like, I don't know what you guys are saying, but every time I'm around Lisa, like, she smells like rosé and rainbows or like whatever the fuck I said, you know? So I've done those things so many times for her. I've gotten the phone calls. Like, Shea could literally vouch for me as he was laying in bed and ass. to me morning after morning after morning getting all these phone calls. Yeah.

Even when I was writing my book, I texted him and I was like, okay, look, because I start to with my OCD, I get in my head and I'm like, am I remembering things properly? Like that is so embedded in my brain. But like, am I making, like, I remember this probably, right? And I messaged him and I was like, hey, you remember like these morning phone calls. I guess. He's like, oh my God, yes. Like, done it.

And then it was going in. I'm like, okay, okay. I just like for my OCD, I just had to confirm with you because I start to second guess myself. Because I'm like, it's been a decade, you know, like, do I remember this properly? And he was like, no, that's exactly it. And I was like, okay, screenshot, sent it to legal for the book. And I'm like, fact checked. Like, this happened.

Yeah. But here's the thing. So with Stasi, I feel like I have a bit of a level of understanding with her because it wasn't too long ago. We were at a birthday party. And it was, yeah, so it was right when we were maybe filming the Valley season two. Vanderpump rules, we still think it's coming back for season 12. And Jeremiah was talking to Stasi and they were trying to get her back because we were thinking this might be one final season.

Don't know if Ariana is going to come back. TBD what happens with Katie, but if Stossie comes back, like Katie will probably say. And like Stossie and I were in a good place then. Yeah. And so we're at this birthday party and I was like, okay, so like, what do you think? Like, is it like a name your price and like, would you come back? And she was like, honestly, Sheena, I can't do it. And I was like, why?

Like, just one season. Like, come on. Like, we're all like in like a good place together now. Like that could be fun. Like a nice way to wrap it up. And she goes, honestly, I will never sit down and have a conversation with Lisa Vanderpump. And I was like, really? And she goes, that's what it would be.

be, it would be me coming back to the show and I have to have a sit down like I did season three or four whenever it wasn't. She goes, and I'll never do that. And I was like, oh, okay, so no season 12 for Stasi. Got it. So then imagine my shock when I hear she's going on Vanderpump Villa. Yeah. And literally had a sit down this last, yeah. Yeah. But I'm like, okay, you do what you got to do to get your bag, get your show picked up, all of that. Respect. Honestly, might have done the same. thing. Yeah. And like here's the thing. Like one, I know it's you're an easy target to pick on right now because you don't have the Valley platform to like whatever say. And so, but you do have this platform, which I love. Yes. But like I feel like there's a, like it's like an easy pickings in that respect. But also I hate, well, not that I hate. I'm a part of it too. But obviously we know the things that go most viral, especially from your book are going to be the ones that are the most salacious. Yeah. And we know Lisa probably didn't read the whole thing. And so of course she's not going to see the good parts and they're not going to focus on those good. No, she sees headlines. Here's the thing.

I don't know why she would actually be so upset about the fact that, like, look, she did convince you to somehow bring this shit onto the show. It actually makes you look like a really good executive producer and you should just own it. Right. Because we trust you now as creating a good show. Like, why would you want to bury that? I know. And it's like everyone I've seen in the comments, people are like, don't bite the hand that fed you. Brava was the hand.

I have not bitten them. But like, let's be real. Okay, reality TV was never my dream. It was literally something that I was like, I do not want to do reality. Because once you do that, back then, there was no crossover. I would remember season one, two, three, going to auditions for commercials and stuff. And even like casting directors kind of being like, oh, it's the girl from like that show. Like, not going to hire the homewrecking horror for a Carl's Jr. spot or whatever.

You know, it was just like it did hurt me. I was acting. I was booking roles regularly. I was screen testing for soap operas. Like, I was really making steps in the right direction for what I wanted in my career. Yeah. And, you know, I get convinced by Lisa, Pandora, and Alex Baskin to do this show. Yeah.

I didn't want to take the meeting. I remember vividly where I was. I was like in Rancho Cucamanga, Fontana area. It was my cousin's birthday. I had spent the night. Shea and I wake up the next morning. Pandora calls me and she was like, I need you to go into. are today. Like, please, like, my mom wants you to take this meeting. Just like, just take the meeting.

But like Pandora, my friend had to call me and convince me to go. And so I did. Did I say yes? Of course, I did. You know, and I built a career from it that I'm very grateful for. But like, there's also a cost that people don't talk about, you know, the doors that closed, the jobs I didn't get because of it, the labels that have stuck. You know, I will forever be a homewrecking whore. People are never going to, 20 years later, it's still there. Oh, God, I know. Even Brandy's trying to chime in. I know. I know. And then she's like, well, I didn't read the book. I heard it was a good book. But then I'm like, you are all over the place.

But also we hear Brandy, maybe you are the original homerck and whore. I know, right? I just saw that. But it's like, you know, this whole show, how it started. It was me getting tricked into working a party that cameras were at where I'm not miced where Brandy is at. And as I say in the end of my book, I found out more recently that Lisa did know the whole time. This is clearly what started the show.

And as much as I knew that deep down until it was confirmed by a very good source, which people can probably put the pieces together now, like I just thought, maybe coincidence. It's L.A. L.A. is so small. Like the amount, you know, like people running into people and whatnot, sure, That could have just been a coincidence. Yeah.

But I know it wasn't. Like you actually used me to get this show off the ground. And own it. You know, I just went to Rez's book signing. You know, he just released his book. And he talks about this entire thing at the book signing about the... Gigi had brought up that her Mike was trying to sleep with her. Yeah.

And she wouldn't bring it up on camera. And the producers were like, we got to, you know, we got to get them to talk about it. He's like, Rez was like, I don't know. I don't know how that's going to happen. I don't know how we're going to bring it up. the producers use these random Gmail that's like, you know, Shaws of Sunset, one, two, three, four, da, da, at Gmail. Yeah.

He just set up some random Gmail, writes an email to Mike and his girlfriend at the time. I can't remember who's Jessica or whatever. Hey, I'm producer. He came up some of the name. He's like, you and Jessica are the stars of the show. It's clear. He's just like, and he's going on, he's just like kissing Mike's ass. And he's like, but, you know, I just did a Gigi's confessional and she was talking so much shit about you.

oh my God and like she was going off like did it Mike is in the car when he gets his email on the way to this party where Gigi's at so I want to go back and watch the scene yeah I don't know if it's two or four he said he said Mike so Reza sees Mike storm into this party B lines it to GJ and he's like who the fuck do you think you are Gigi's caught off car because she has no idea why Mike is mad at her she's not talking about this

she was like who the fuck do I think I am no but you were trying to fuck me in Mexico yes I do remember that looked over at Bresa and they were like And so anyways, it's crazy, but again, it just makes you look like a good producer. So Lisa, just own that you like produce the hell out of you and, you know. Just own it. But I just feel like that's just one of the many reasons why I felt like I needed a break from reality TV, from someone else producing me, forcing me into conversations that I'm not ready to have a resolution that I don't want. It just this time away has meant so much to me and just giving me the space to really.

like reconnect with who I am outside of the world of reality TV and just outside of everyone else's expectations of me in life. And, you know, I'm going to come back to reality TV. Of course. It needs to be the right show, the right, just the right formula of everything. But I'm like, I'm never going to just be away from it forever. But when I do come back, it's going to be on my terms. You've paid your dues and like you can do it on your terms. I say the same thing. I mean, not say the same thing. But I think Duranda, feels the same way. I think with this golden life, she's like, I think it's more her terms, right? All the rooney women are like, you know what? We're going to do it. And I think when you pay

your dues, that's, you're owed that. I just feel like in the past on reality TV, the version of me who people saw in like a lot of ways that girl is someone who just let go of her dreams, relinquished control and was just like, oh, you think that's a funny interview bite for me to say, like, okay, I'll say it this way. And they're like, try it this way. And I'm like, okay, I'm an actress. I can do it in four ways. And then they picked the one that looks shady.

Yeah. You know? And I feel like I lost a lot of myself along the way. And I leaned into a version that people expected that was maybe, I don't know, easier to define or like put in a box. But it just, looking back, it wasn't the best version. of me. It's not a version that I even recognize at some points. And there's a song on my EP. I think it's called Lesson. And I think everyone will know who that song is about. The person I wrote it about also knows there is a song on the EP for them. Okay. But it's a little bit about two people.

Okay. But I just feel like this time moving forward in that capacity, will be different and people might still not like me and that's okay you might not like my EP and that's okay but it's like that's not my goal anymore and the EP I'm putting out with the 27s I actually like wrote these lyrics and put my heart and soul into it and so if people don't like it like I don't fucking care and you're missing it all in my birthday I'm so mad at myself I'm gonna FaceTime Mark and then just tell them to prop me up. I love it.

All right. Do you have any flowers you would like to give out for the week? You know what? I actually want to give flowers to Ellie, Ali and Kayla, the exes of Steve McBee. Finally, I love when girls come together because now

Ali has been reposting Callie's text. They've been like supporting one another. So I want to give that because like, yeah. Yeah. Call these toxic men out. Yes. Don't let him get away. Jacks Hole Stephen McBee.

Exactly. Junior. Stephen McBee, Junior. Well, they're both. They birth deserved it. I mean, the other one is in prison. Totally. We laugh.

Well, thank you for being here. I just, I had to get one in with you before you leave me. Yes. And if you guys aren't already, you need to listen to Kiki Weekdays on Radio Andy's reality checked. Find her at The Talk of Shame. And have a blast in France. I will.

Oh, I'm so jealous. See, but it's different when you can admit you're jealous of someone. Yeah. It's good for them. All right. Bye guys. Thanks for listening to shenanigans with Shea Shea. Tune in next time for juicy updates from the world of reality TV, pop culture, and more.

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