Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Reality Is Scarier Than Fiction

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

This week’s episode comes with scares of all varieties. Scheana and Kiki Monique recap their weekend bouncing between LA’s haunted attractions, where Kiki discovered she is extremely easy prey, and Scheana’s loyalty to Brock and Kiki lasted exactly until security got involved. Things get more unsettling as they unpack the Cornell 7 case (or should we be calling it the Cornell 57?). The tragic death of a 13-year-old girl also sparks a conversation about Gen Alpha growing up with the world in their pockets 24/7, from the manosphere and social media to the fears of raising kids in this new reality, plus Summer’s recent stint refereeing her parents from the backseat. And while AI can be helpful (heck, it helped draft this description), it can also cause quite a scare. Scheana details an AI-generated car crash that panicked her family group chat, while a fake image of a deadly viper sent Southern California on an actual snake hunt. So why spend a weekend willingly asking to be terrified when there’s already so much to fear? Maybe because in a haunted maze, the fear is manufactured, the monsters aren’t real and, most importantly for Kiki, there’s an exit. Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Co-Host: @thetalkofshame Purchase your very own copy of the NYT Best-selling book/audiobook MY GOOD SIDE at www.mygoodsidebook.com!Episode Sponsors:REEF — Get 15% off your first order at reef.com/goodasgold, or use code GOODASGOLD at checkout.Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle. It's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Shea Shea. Hello, hello, and welcome back to another week of shenanigans. I'm once again joined by my girl Kiki Monique in the studio. Welcome back.

How are you? I'm great. How are you? I'm good. Yes. So before we get into everything today, I feel like we need to talk about our very Halloween-filled weekend. Because we did the Haaride ride on Friday and then the Queen Mary Dark Harbor, which that was your first time experiencing that, right? Yeah. Had you ever been to the Queen Mary? No. Oh, so it was my sister's first time, too. Yeah, no, it's so cool. I mean, I'd seen it on reality shows. I think like one of the 90-day couples got married there. But I was like, and I'd want to do the brunch there because I heard they have a fun brunch. But yeah, their Halloween is actually really, it got me into the holiday.

Halloween spirit. Because I'm usually not that. I love Halloween, but I don't normally decorate. I went and bought pumpkins yesterday. Wow. I know. Okay. Feeling inspired. But one thing I'll say is that you were terrified. Always. I don't like I love jump scares, but I don't like I don't know why I'm scared every time. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with me. It's so entertaining to me because I don't think I jumped or got scared once at either. thing, it was so good. Like, I enjoy it so much. And I mean, the Queen Mary, you guys am telling you, if you were in the L.A. area in the next month, like, both are great. The Haaride is a little more mild. It's not as scary. And they added some stuff this time on the Hayride. The performances were so good. Five star. Incredible. But the Queen Mary, I mean, 10 out of 10. It was so good.

There was one. Actually, there were two mazes. I don't know how many you made it in. I think I did two. Okay. I did all six. Okay. And there were two of them. One is the voodoo one for sure. I can't remember the other one, which one had it.

But it has these strobe lights that are going. So I think it was maybe the breakout one was the other one. But the strobe lights are going so insane that all of a sudden I started to question if I was like still here on earth or if I was going into another dimension. Yeah. It was like a real life. Like, have you done the Mario Kart ride at Universal? Okay. It's like this on major steroids.

But all of a sudden, all of these lights are flashing, all of these different colors. And I did have like clear glasses on that I like took off for a second because I'm like, is this my glasses like on the Mario cart ride? Like, what is this? And I'm feeling in front of me. And like there's just nothing there and no one, you could not see anything, which I guess would freak some people. For me, I'm like, I know it's going to be over soon. It may have went on for like one second too long where I was questioning if I was still

here on Earth through like entering another dimension. But Brock was either, yeah, it was the breakout one because he went in front of me on that one to get a video of me, court and just in the jail cell. Okay. And so then he got stuck by himself because then it just filtered him into the rest of the maze. And he also like you get scared. Yeah. So there was another part.

with all of the lights and he said that there was a girl like in the fetal position like petrified. She was not part of the act. She was like, no, not part of the act. And so he was like, do you need help? And so like he helps her and he's walking out with her. And then her husband or boyfriend or whatever's right there like, what the fuck? And he's like, yo, your girl, like you left her in there and she was not okay. Yeah.

And so why would a boyfriend leave her? I don't know. Maybe he didn't go in that one. Maybe it was just because of the lights. Like he was walking a little ahead. And I mean, you go like this, you can't even see your own hand. Oh, my God. It was insane.

But like, so cool. I love that. No, I mean, I love it. But I'm like, I get my fill. And then I'm like, I'm good. Like, that's enough. And like, yeah. Yeah.

Did you do what? The clown one and the lullaby? I can't even remember the ones I did. I went one. There was one where I'm walking through the ship. And then there was another one. Okay. That was the first one.

Okay. Yeah. And then I did some other one down on the ground. I can't remember. Yeah. But, you know. I think it was the lullaby one. because it was after the seance, we just got pushed into that one.

I just, like, I can't look, so I always have my head down. So I'm like, I don't know what I am. Just get me to the exit. Oh, yes. You had to crawl. Yes. No, that was not. Yeah. I mean, you had the option to go, but it's the full experience.

No, I'm going to do it. We're going to do it. You know, I have to get out of my mind. I know that this is nobody's going to actually kill me. But I don't know. It's just creepy when people like whisper in your ear and do those things. I was doing that to Brock. Because he gets.

such like a jump scare that I would go up behind him, especially when all the lights were going crazy and I would just put my nails on the back of his neck. No. No. No. And like when you're just walking around thinking you're going to be normal, get a corn dog. And then the actors are also messing with you in that. And I'm like, no, I can't do this.

This is supposed to be my safe space. I posted a story yesterday of you. And it's like one of the clowns came up to and you're like, no, no, no, no. I can't. Oh, I love going to things like that with people, though, who. get scared because it also entertains me. Yes. And I also am the person who will run a little bit ahead. Like, I'll go into any maze by myself. But I'll run ahead and then all find a little spot to hide where there aren't actors

and then all scare people. No, I can't. No, but yeah, I hadn't heard about the Queen Mary. So that one's really fun. I would definitely do that one. Yeah. And also if you guys aren't into, and this is like not an ad, it was just so much fun. But like if you're not into the haunted part, it had a whole carnival outside of it. All these food and drinking. And stands and rides and stuff. I hadn't done bumper cars in like since I was a kid. So that was really fun to do bumper cars. I wish I had done the swings though because I saw a TikTok that said those swings were the same ones on Neverland. And I didn't know. No way. I don't know if that's true because you know it's TikTok. Who knows? Well, if it's on the internet. I know right. It's got to be true.

But I was like, oh, I hadn't done swings in a while. I was kind of like, are these okay? I wish I Yeah. I did bumper cars at Neon Carnival. It was the first year I actually did the ride. Yeah. And that was fun. And then I've done like swings with summer and whatnot. So the rides for me, I was like, I could do rides anytime. I wanted to see every spooky thing. And I knew at any moment my mom was going to text me just like, hey, how's it going? I'm like, AKA, when are you coming home? My favorite thing. Like honestly, I just love carnival food. So and I rarely, it's like you get at one. Corn dogs were five stars. I mean, the corn dogs, so I had a corn dog at the haunted hayride too. Yes, I did too. I had both at the Queen Mary 2.

Love the corn dog. The pizza, though, at the haunted hayride? I can't, it's not like New York pizza, but it was so good. Yeah. Oh, my God. Now, I loved both experiences. I'm looking forward to horror nights. Will you do that, like Halloween Horror Nights at Universal?

What is that? Okay, I've heard about this. I've never done this either. People say it's really fun. So that one's really cool because it's like movie set, quality. Okay. And they have, I don't even know how many mazes, but the caveat is like you have to have a front of the line pass or you're not going to be able to get through everything. Okay. There's just too much. So it's like that's the one time where I tell people like if you're going to

go splurge. Okay. Because if you just go on a regular day, you know, you can probably get through all the rides and stuff. Universal, you can absolutely do everything in one day. Okay. Here. Probably not Orlando. But with the mazes, like, The lines are so long. There's some lines that are like an hour and a half two hours long. And it's like, so you're just going to stand in line? No, I can't do that. Yeah.

No. But that one's really good. Not Scary Farm is fun too. I want to try and do it all. You're going to do all of them. I started in September. Well, you know what? October, this October, I think, has five Saturdays.

I know. So like you have plenty of time. And Halloween is on a Saturday. I know. Very exciting. I know. I love this. No, I'm so excited.

And Lance does a big Halloween. Halloween party. Oh, he was saying when you were on reality check. Uh-huh. So we're figuring out what our costumes are going to be for that because I think they're changing the thing. Oh, yeah. It was like you don't know what the theme is yet.

Well, it was dead Hollywood. Okay. But then my friend Daniel was saying he wanted to do like dead dolly instead. And so everyone comes as a version of Dolly Parton, but I'm like, but dead... You might get canceled. That's what I'm saying. I think it might be too soon. So I'm like, if someone comes as dead dolly, that's one thing.

I feel like Dolly would have a good sense of humor She would appreciate it I feel like the internet is so A hundred percent So I'm like if I were to do a version of her There's not going to be any blood on my face Or anything dead Yeah

I will honor the queen as blonde hair And push up boobs as possible Like I think zombie dolly would be really cool or something You know Yeah The undead dolly Right but I'm like I might just go with like Classic dead Hollywood

Okay Yeah I love it So we'll see But I'm excited I love spooky season. We're getting all of our decorations finished today. I've asked Brock for two fucking weeks, can you get the giant skeleton out of storage?

Can you please put it out? And he's like, it's not October yet. And I'm like, I don't care. I want it decorated. I want it out as long as possible. Because then sometimes we'll decorate for Christmas. Last year it was like the first week of November. So I want the skeleton out as long as possible.

Get it out. Yes. And this morning I walk out of the house, September 30th. And the box is still sitting there. He goes, I'll put it out today. I'll put it out today. I'm like, just in time for October.

Thanks. Also, he did tell me that he never listens to this podcast, which I know. But he's like, you know, feel free to like say whatever. Make me the jacks hole. This and that. He's like, because I'm never going to hear it. He's like, so whatever you want to say with your girlfriend's fine by me. Because you know I talk about you.

Oh, my God. That's hilarious. But I was like, thanks for the permish. So. I mean, does he listen to? other podcast other than you? He does. Really?

He does. That's rude. Who? I don't know what he was listening to this morning. But they were like dropping F bombs and I'm like trying to fix Summer's hair and I'm like, excuse me, you turn that off? Like, what is this? And why are we listening to like serious conversation early in the morning?

I like to listen to classic rock as I'm getting her ready. Oh my God. I think men just, they're so sometimes unself aware. Like I was in an Uber one time and the Uber driver was blow. lasting some podcast that was about like some scientific theory. And it was like at the top volume. I'm like, why are we? No, I don't want to hear this. I've been trapped in one of those once before. And then another time it was like sports commentating, but it was like live play by play of a baseball game. Okay. So at least that I was like able to envision it. And I'm like, okay, I understand baseball.

Yeah, I don't know what he was listening to this morning. I'm like, can we put on like giggly squad or, you know, is there anything else you like? I know. Other than such serious. But if they come, they're coming to serious. I'm like, can we, you're friends with them. Can we, I want to get in there like on that, if they have a channel. I want to know what's happening over there. I am so fucking proud of them. Like to get, you know, fired from Bravo for Hannah and to have the Hulu special, the Netflix special.

Now a Netflix show, all of this. And then for page, just be like, you know what? Thank you for the offer. But I'm going to go do my own thing now. I mean, I can't imagine how much Daphne. is already worth and gonna like that's gonna get acquired for millions I'm sure well she just sat there and did the interview with Chloe Kardashian and wasn't Chloe wearing Daphne yeah yeah I know I love them I'm so happy for them okay let's take a break and then we've got some topics to get into so be rby all right

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This goes back to October 24. For those of you who don't know, there was a 20-year-old Cornell student who says she went to the Chai-Fi. Is that how it said? Chi-Fi. I'm not a fraternity girl or sorority girl. The Chi-5 fraternity house and was sexually assaulted by multiple fraternity members after consuming alcohol, marijuana, and ketamine. She reported what happened to the Cornell University police a few weeks later. They conducted their own investigation and ultimately it resulted in expulsions and suspensions, but only two students, right?

Yes. And there were like seven obviously involved. And Kai Phi was barred from campus. But no criminal charges were brought at the time. And the DA said the evidence and information available in 2024 wasn't sufficient to prosecute under New York law. Her attorney disputes how the original investigation was handled and argues important evidence wasn't adequately pursued. And now nearly two years later, she has filed a civil suit against seven fraternity members, Cornell and others. The lawsuit includes additional allegations and alleged Snapchat messages between fraternity members from that night.

This lawsuit has generated national attention and renewed scrutiny over why criminal charges were not. initially pursued and the DA has now reopened the criminal investigation and says the evidence will be presented to a grand jury. So these, you know, remain allegations because no criminal charges have been filed as of now and multiple defendants have denied wrongdoing. What a shock. But one of the most disturbing parts of the lawsuit, which I was discussing yesterday, is the alleged fraternity Snapchat conversation that was happening while it was going. going on. This had like 57 active members and the group was called Kai Phi Activs. Allegean messages essentially advertised that a woman was upstairs and

available for sex and multiple people allegedly responded to those messages. So everyone's calling this, you know, the Cornell 7 because seven men are named in the lawsuit. But is it really just the Cornell 7? Could it be the Cornell 57? Like we we don't even know how widespread this could have been. So like, there are so many questions, you know, that need answers still in all of this. But it's like, did none of the guys in the fraternity or in the Snapchat group think like, oh, this is wrong. What the fuck are you guys doing?

Let me step in and try to stop this. Like, do you have a sister? Do you have a mother? Like, come on, you know? And like, were they all egging it on? I just, I would hope someone tried to have stopped. Well, that's what's coming out now. And this is, again, we move so fast through these cases where the information changes daily. And this is what it's always scary because you don't know what's going to come out next. But what supposedly came out is that one of the guys that was in the chat allegedly was sleep during the assault, woke up, saw the messages, was horrified. And allegedly, he's the one that provided the screenshots of the chat to the woman so that she had them. Again, I haven't. confirm this because the information is coming out so fast.

But there's so many elements of this case that I find a disturbing. One, sadly, I know this woman is going to get outed one day because this is the society we live in where someone is going to dig and dig and dig. They're going to expose her because that's what we live in. And so I fear for her. Yeah. I'm also fearful of the two women who were the Cornell journalist who broke the story. Right. Because that's why this is all resurfaced now is she wrote the article that now everyone, one's like, why was this ignored two years ago?

Why wasn't this a bigger deal then? Yeah. And they've come forward. You know, they are not anonymous, but I still fear for them because this is again where we live. I'm also surprised to see, you know, we saw Sunny Houston on the view. Jude. You know, she was, I guess, a sex crimes prosecutor. And here's the thing.

What I do know is there, I was kind of reading through what she was saying. There is a legal loophole right now in New York State where if you are voluntarily intoxicated, it cannot be considered rape. And I think that's what she was speaking to. That's fucking crazy. It is. And an activist has been trying to close this loophole, I think, for the last seven years. But that is what I think she's speaking to because they say, if you voluntarily drink or you voluntarily ingest drugs, then you can voluntarily consent. And we've kind of always known that's the opposite of what we've been, you know,

told. So the fact that that loophole even exists, I think it's, I mean, silver lining, we're aware that this, you know, and hopefully it gets closed now. Yeah. Oh, there's so many elements to this. No, when I was watching her on the view, I was just like, wait, is this woman for real? She made it sound like she was saying it was her fault, you know? And it's like, well, she willingly done that. Like, I've willingly gotten fucked up before. But when you're then out of your, you know, right state of mind, you cannot consent to something like that. Just because you willingly got drunk or did drugs, that doesn't make what happens after that okay. That's not what you were willingly doing. And I think she was still, again, speaking from her lawyer brain because she was

also going back to the statement that the victim made at the time in which I guess she said that she had consented to two threesome. Now, again, I don't know how you can. You can't know how you consent to things when you were out of your mind drunken on drugs. But again, this goes back to that legal loophole where, you know, I guess in the statement she said I was at a five or six out of 10 in my how drunk I was. But again, I just think there could have been obviously much more investigation into this. Now, I think that everyone should be named and shamed. I think those 57 men in in the chat should be named. Yeah. I'm not afraid to say that. Now, here's the thing. again, because information's coming out so fast.

Supposedly, there are guys who did not assault her who are being pulled into this. Now, if that's the case, okay, then, like, you know, we get into this place where are we ruining people's lives who didn't take part of it. But again, if you were part of that chat, you take a part in it. Because, like, what did we learn in the finale of Seinfeld? See something, say something. Yes, you're still are responsible. Exactly. So I think regardless of whether you were an active participant, this is, you know, we're going to be responsible.

this is why people who, if you're just at a robbery and you're sitting in the car and you don't know your friend goes into the 7-11 and robs the 7-11 and then they get in the car and drive away, you can still go to jail. Yeah, you're an accomplice. First of all, I didn't even know there were group chats on Snapchat. I just learned that. Yeah. I had no idea. But this whole thing, like also, okay, let's say she consented even to the first threesome. Also, there's certain drugs that can have a delayed.

effect and like you can smoke, but then that high can hit you a little later and last a lot longer. So sure, maybe she consented in the beginning, but then it's like, and ketamine? Yeah. What if she was in a K-hole? Yeah. You know, like, sure, she consensually did ketamine. But how much and what did that do to her brain? You can't say that if she consensually did that. Like, that is such a fucked up law. Yeah, it is. And so that's why, I mean, oh, it's one of those cases I want to, like, go through everything. I want to go through the complaint. I want to go through the statements. And, like, it's going to be heavy. But I think, again, one of the silver linings I think that will come out of this is, like, the awareness and the things that college campuses need to be way. I mean, nobody sends their kid to college and thinks that they're not going to be as protected. Like, you can't have your own judge and jury. There is still a loss. system outside of that. So yeah. Now, this, like, terrifies me as a mother to a girl. I'm like, I don't even want her going to college.

No. I'm like, I started researching yesterday. Are there all-girl colleges? Are there all-girl Ivy League colleges? Like, if that's what, you know, the path she wants to take. And there are. There are a lot, like, affiliated with the Ivy League schools and whatnot. And, you know, but I'm like, what if she just wants to go to, like, a Cal State or, like,

Arizona State or, like, a party school or something? Like, I don't know. but I'm just like, that terrifies me. No, it's like, here's the thing. It's like, I hate, you know, saying like getting rid of everything. But I do think that fraternities especially, I saw this quote yesterday, they become a breeding ground for where men can be around other men and not be held accountable because they all have the same mentality. And I'm like, you know, and if you're not going to, you know, have an environment where men is a problem, I don't know. Maybe we don't need these environments.

I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I just wonder, too, if this was like a larger problem within the fraternity or just, I mean, Greek culture in general, you know? And I don't know. This is, it's a very sad thing that happened to this woman. I hope she gets justice, but it just, it really scares me for what is out there. And it's like, you can't protect your kid from everything. No.

You're not with them all day at school. I mean, I even, that's why I am spending so much money. for summer to be at one of the best private schools in the country. And her parents spent a lot of money to go to Cornell, her dream. And then allegedly, apparently Cornell wouldn't even refund her semester. I know. And she had to finish out the semester seeing these guys every day. That's crazy.

Yeah, that's crazy. So, yeah, I would be suing the school because that's insane. Like, oh, no, no, we're going to just take your money and give you this experience. Like, what the fuck? No, it is, it is wild. I mean, I also am wondering, like, was this isolated to these seven men? I mean, she reported what allegedly happened back in 2024. And no criminal charges were filed, which is wild.

And also it's like she thought that the campus police was going to handle this. She didn't go to the authorities. Yeah. And then they just, like, don't handle it. So she kept pursuing it, you know. And now nearly two years later, civil lawsuit, national attention, investigation reopened. Like I just wonder if any of us would be talking about this if she hadn't continued pushing for accountability for two years. Yeah. Or if that article had not been written. Like would this have just gone away and she just never got justice? Well, this is my problem with society right now. It seems like the only time we get accountability is when there's a huge uproar online. Why do we have to like cause a huge uproar online for people to do their job? It's the same way I feel about health care. Why do people have to go fund? their way through getting hospital bills pays.

It's like this is where we live in where it's like, let me make a big campaign and that's the only way I'll get attention. But most people don't have the platforms, accessibility, availability to do this. So most people just like get lost. No, it's so fucked up. And it's like these are also young men who essentially grew up in like the hashtag me too era. You know?

So it's just like it's just so wild to think about and, you know, consent. sexual assault and accountability have been part of the cultural conversation throughout their entire adolescence, but then they still go and do something like this that you know is wrong. You know is a crime. Like, why are things like this still happening? Well, you know, like I always said, it like rots from the top down. And I mean, if there's someone in the White House who's been found guilty of sexual assault, it probably doesn't help society. Yeah. I just, I just, I I mean, I hope, you know, if not for the Gen Z generation, for the Generation Alpha, who were raising, that we would just grow up with a different understanding of how women should be treated.

Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't know if any progress has been made yet. Mm-hmm. And then, like, on the subject of how women are taught to navigate men, I saw this going viral. Someone asked, Google AI, a girl is approaching me, and it basically said, relax, smile, make eye contact, and listen. It's on TikTok. It says, relax your posture. Sit or stand naturally with uncrossed arms to show you are open and approachable. Smile and listen. Give her your full attention. Let her start the conversation. Respond politely. Answer her questions or see what she needs. But then when you go to a guy is approaching me, it's trust your instincts and prioritize your safety and comfort right now. Move to a safe area. Walk towards a well-lit space or a group of people. Keep moving. Do not stop or slow down if you feel uneasy. Put on headphones. We're visible headphones. phones to signal you do not want to talk use a firm voice say no thank you or i am busy clearly and

loudly if he speaks to you and it's just like what an extreme yeah difference you know and then there was this one other one i saw on instagram yesterday that christie and i were looking at and it says not all men are dangerous and says okay then hire a male nanny for your eight-year-old daughter hire a male caregiver for your sick mother send your daughter to a male massage therapist and wait outside without worrying. Take your eight-year-old daughter to a male gynecologist instead of a female one. Let your 14-year-old daughter hang out alone with the group of grown men. Leave your teenage daughter alone with a male tutor you barely know. And so it's like, it just, this whole world we are growing up in, raising a young girl, it really, it really

scares me. And like, yeah, I am paying a shit ton of money for her to go to school to be safe. But so did this woman's parents, like you said. Yeah. You know? So it's like you never fully know. Because you get pissed off because you are doing everything to make sure your daughter is protected. But on the other hand, most, like not most people, but there are people who are not doing the same thing to raise their sons. Right.

So like, no, like bear the burden of like raising a son who understands consent and boundaries. Exactly. Because it's like, you know, this could happen to boys too. I mean, we've seen just in the Catholic Church alone. You know, so it's like their sons need to be protected too. Boys can also be victims and assuming they're automatically safe can just leave them vulnerable. Like this shit does happen to boys as well. And I don't know.

Like I also wonder if we're spending too much time teaching girls to protect themselves and not enough teaching boys because we should know all of these things. We should call out, you know, dangerous behavior among boys and men as well. Like, there's teachers, women teachers who are predators who we have heard about in the news and whatnot. So it's like this doesn't just happen to little girls. The problem is I think we were moving towards that. But now with, you know, the rise of people like Andrew Tate, we live in this like manosphere where these young boys are going on YouTube and hearing things that their parents don't even realize they're hearing. Yeah. And it's going in this direction of like,

oh, having empathy is woke. I mean, they're literally saying having empathy is woke. So, like, how do you fight that? I don't know. It's just like... Yeah. Misogynistic content just kind of being packaged as masculinity or advice for young men. And it's like, this is who they're looking up to.

And when I ended up in a rabbit hole one time and I don't want to go back there. But when you start going down this rabbit hole, what happens is your kid will be into gaming. And they'll start watching these certain games. And YouTube, you know, it'll keep recommending stuff. And it takes you down this rabbit hole that eventually becomes these sort of in-cell places, but you don't realize it's happening until over time you're becoming. And it's a very diabolical algorithm. I think one important thing to which I would think is just common knowledge.

But then I talk to other friends who have had experiences as a child that dealt with sexual assault. And they're like, oh, my parents never taught me that. But it's like we need to be teaching our children that your private parts are private, but also name them. Like, Summer doesn't just say my private part. She knows that's her vagina. She knows no one should touch it. No one should look at it. Like she knows that.

But if you don't raise your kid knowing that, then how do they know it's wrong? What if something feels good, but then you don't know that it's wrong? And it just keeps happening to you. And then you're like, oh, yeah, this is supposed to be a little secret. it's like it's so important to name those things. It's very important. But then, you know, again, it goes back to schooling. I, you know, I don't know if you saw this video, but it was a dad who released an audio recording.

He had called the principal because his daughter came home and said a boy touched me inappropriately at school. So we called the principal. And she was like, yes, you know. Oh, the principal was leaving a voicemail for her. She called him back. And she's like, want to let you know. I'm going to set up a meeting. Da-da-da.

I was acting all professional. thought she hung up the phone, but she didn't. So he hears her going, oh, these crazy parents and did it, da, da, da. So he released the recording because he's like, I'm coming to you because my daughter actually did the right thing. And then I'm sending you to a school where the principal does things. I'm crazy. Wow.

So I haven't followed up on what happened with that story. But, you know, it's like who, you know, and this is white people homeschool. Yeah. I'm the only one who can. No, I know. Even with like summer innocently, you know, having her two boyfriends at school, which now She's like, well, no, they're boys who are my friends. Okay.

Yes, okay. We're turning to leave. We're getting there. Because I guess one of them was like, no, like, I'm not your boyfriend. He's your boyfriend or whatever. And she's like, well, no, you're a boy and you're my friend. And so now the kids are getting a little confused with the boyfriend and girlfriend of it all. But I heard that there was one kid who was kissing boys like in pre-K.

And I was like, wait, what? And so I'm like, now I got to have a different conversation with her. And I'm like, hey, honey, I said, I just want you to know. I said, you know, like, never share drinks with anyone. You never kiss anyone. Like, that's not okay. And she's like, I know, you can only kiss your family. I go, okay, I'm just making sure.

I already know that. And I'm like, I know. I've gone over all of these things with you, but I just, like, feel like I need to reiterate it. I also told her that if she kisses a boy, she'll get a cold sore on her mouth that will never go away. Forever and ever. Forever and ever. And she was like, oh, I'm like, you know, you'll get that. You'll keep coming back.

She was like, no, no, I won't kiss anybody. I'm like, okay. Good. Yeah. But. And then there was also some really heartbreaking news I saw yesterday that Chad Lowe, his wife, Kim Painter, announced that their daughter Fiona passed away at just 13 years old. They hadn't shared the cause of death.

So like, I don't want to speculate about what happened. But in their statement, they included information for the 988 suicide and crisis lifeline. And it just got me. about how incredibly difficult those middle school years and early teenage years can be especially for girls. I have a friend who has a 12 year old daughter right now and she told me that she had written a note. And thankfully, she is still with us

and has gotten out of that dark place. But like, it is a real thing that the bullying, the online of it all, that's like, people, want to judge me for posting my kid and having her own Instagram, she has no access to that. Yeah. If she wants to see something on Instagram, she likes watching these like silly dog videos or there's this chick Misty Knight. Shout out to her. She's a magician, but also like a little chef and does these amazing videos. But it's like cute and it's like recipes and certain things and she'll have

like a little elf on the shelf hiding. Like I will let her watch those while I'm looking over her shoulder. She doesn't, she's never going to have access to social media because I'm like, that is the devil and you know if one day it turns into her being able to monetize that platform to make money like i'm still running it yeah you don't get access to this it's just i remember like when i was 12 years old and seventh eighth grade i mean i worry about that time having a girl as well i also you know granted i went to public school in azusa she is going to a beautiful private at school, you know, in L.A. But I remember so many times that I would just wake up in the morning.

And as much as I wasn't suicidal, I had the thought every morning of it would just be better if I was dead. Yeah. Everyone would just be happier if like I wasn't here anymore. Mm-hmm. And when I saw this story about her, it just absolutely broke my heart. It is horrifying. I can't even imagine.

It feels like at that age, everything feels like the end of the world. every single thing. And that family had also just lost their family home in the Palisades Fire. And, you know, I just feel like I can't imagine as a kid waking up and if she does, you know, I don't know what her access was to social media, but seeing the

news, if she was seeing what was happening every day. Like, I can't imagine as a kid trying to process that. Because even my brain can't process where it's like scroll, scroll, kitten, kitten, oh, people dead. Oh, dead oh, dead babies. Okay, it's kitten. And it's like, our brains were never meant to function like that. And a developing brain,

Absolutely not. No, and 13 is such a vulnerable age. You know, it's like you have puberty. You got all these hormones, but then you have friendships or friendship fallouts or, you know, kids like wanting to hang with the cooler kids or whatever. It's just like the bullying, the fitting in.

Maybe you have like a first relationship. I mean, I know I was around that age when I started, I was like 11 when I started kissing boys. And I was way too young for the things that I did. But when you're figuring, out who you are, it just is such a vulnerable age. And, you know, just kids dealing with all of that while also growing up online and having access to anything at their fingertips.

Yeah. Anything. Yeah. And I mean, social media, like, it's never going to go away. And I'm a lot better with this now. But it's impossible sometimes to not compare. You know, there is that comparison where it's like, well, Why did her photo of her daughter get 150,000 likes and mine only got 25,000?

Like what, you know, it's like, it's impossible to not think that. Yeah. I was literally saying this yesterday. I was like, what the fuck? Like, I posted cutest photos. Like, what the hell? But I'm like, it doesn't matter how many likes you get. It does not matter.

I'm not sharing it to get the most likes. I'm sharing it because for those who care, they're going to comment on it and see it. And it's a cute moment that I want to share with the world. Yeah. I try to keep myself accountable. Like I refuse to turn off my likes so people can see. I'm like, I'm not going to be that person. I don't care.

If I am getting even 100 likes, that's 100 people that are saying they like something. That's a lot of people. Exactly. Focus on that instead of what you're not getting. Yeah. I'm like, wow, there's, you know, 300 comments. Yeah. That's a lot.

Sometimes maybe it's only 70 comments. But I'm like, that is still 70 people giving a fuck to go out of their way to say something usually positive when it's only. 70 comments. But, you know, then when you do get the hundreds, there's not all of the positivity. And then it's like, then you're focusing on the negative ones where I'm like, no, focus on the positive. I had to switch it because I was like, you know, I always notice when I have certain followers who are the first people to like something, they're the first people to jump on and watch my stories and I see it. And I was like, I have to start paying more attention to them because they are like the ride or

dies. And so that's why even now I have like subscribers. And I really try to like just, I only respond to their DMs, you know, because it's going to be probably positive because they're paying to talk to me. Exactly. And it keeps me healthy. Yes, 100%. Yeah. But this also, it kind of makes me think about what we were talking about earlier with, you know, the Cornell story and just the

manosphere of it all. It's like girls are growing up alongside boys who may be consuming content that could be either like degrading or hostile towards women. And it's like, does that culture eventually spill over into how girls are treated by boys their own age? Oh, absolutely. How could it not?

It's like that, what do they say? It's like every woman I know, every woman I know knows a woman who's been sexually assaulted. Yes. But every man says they don't know a rapist. You know, it can't be. Right. It can't be. Yeah.

Because they're not. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, I just, I'm like, I can't imagine today what it feels like to be. a 12, 13, 14 year old girl navigating all of this. Like I look at one of my little cousins and I've talked about her on the podcast before a couple years ago. But I just feel like she's, I think she's 13 now, maybe going on 14 or maybe she's 14,

but she's a freshman in high school now. And this was like seventh grade I had talked about when she walked into Christmas. The vast difference from the year before. It was like that sweet little girl who would like sit on my lap and watch her. fireworks for the 4th of July as a toddler just like yeah not there anymore and I saw her recently at a birthday party and it's just like the lip liner the drawn on eyebrows crazy lashes and I'm like how are you doing honey like did you get your birthday present I gave it to your little sister and I just like I hugged her sister after the birthday party and I was like please always stay sweet like

it just it really worries me because I'm like I see little me yeah in her and I just and I just want to like jump in and help and I was talking to her mom and she's like you know despite like the makeup which I get it I did it too she's in Azusa covina that is still the look I guess you know I'm like when is it going to go away beautiful it's eyebrows but I'm just like when I didn't recognize her when I walked in for a second I saw her sister and then it was we were at this play place where one room it's like a galaxy and it's all like dark and like the black lights and whatnot. And when I saw just like, I saw these brows and like, and I was like, oh my God, that was her. Yeah. Like, and she just looked thinner. And I'm like, this girl,

she's a baby to me. And it just breaks my heart because I'm like, I do feel like sometimes, I remember Raquel said this about me. I have like a savior complex. And I don't think there's a wrong thing with that. Like I don't think that's bad. Like I do want to help everyone I can. Yeah. And I gave her a bunch of like natural color makeup and things for her birthday, which I was like, you didn't. Did you get that? Because like you didn't. You didn't use it. And you didn't say thank you.

And she's like, oh, I didn't. And then I'm like, I'm like trying to tickle her. And I'm like, smile. Yeah. Give me something. And she's just like, I'm just bored. I don't want to be here. I'm like, I know it is boring.

But like get off fucking Snapchat. Yeah. Be present. Like how can I? And I'm like, I'm cool. I'm the cool cousin. in the family. I'm the one who gives y'all presents for Christmas and gift cards to Sephora and money on vacation. Like, interact with me. And it just felt like such a disconnect. And her sister is now the

age when like it started, I started to see it turn for her. And I'm just like, please. 14 is also just so hard. Because I remember that's just when I, I definitely hated. I hated everyone. My mom. Like nobody could. You know, so it's like I get it too. But again, like, I wasn't also dealing with what was happening. Like my world at 14 was much different than the world of 14 now. So I was able to like get out of it. But you're like. Yeah.

Yeah. No, it is just. It's heartbreaking. And like, you know, for to lose a daughter at that young of an age, I just, and, you know, looking at my cousin who's like around that age, I just want to remember and remind everyone to just, you know, check in with your kids, ask questions. Don't just ask, how was your day? Good. You know, and like, I see that. And it's like, how is it good? And I'm like, is it good? Or is it not? Like, it's like, when you go to the doctor, they're like, how are you? You're like, wait, I'm not

fine. That's why I'm here. Yeah. You know, but it's like you really need to listen when they're struggling because sometimes, probably most of the time, a kid doesn't know how to articulate what they're going through. And if kids are anything like me, I didn't want to burden. and my parents with what I was experiencing at school because I didn't want them to worry. I was just like, no, no, I'm fine. I'll deal with it. You know, getting pages early in the morning before school,

Di-ho and all of these crazy things. They wrote Di-Ho in the pager? In the pager. It was 013-403. Damn. Yeah. And then I would get 187, 187, 187. Jeez.

I know. Like, I was scared to go to school, but I didn't tell my mom because she didn't even know I had a pager. I hid it from her. My cousin got it for me. Nature's are so cool. Yeah, I know.

It's like those years are hard enough. Yeah. And just now kids have, you know, the whole world in their pocket 24-7. And I can't imagine what it's like navigating that now. It just, it's scary. And that's where I'm like, I will protect my kid as long as I can. And if I see her starting to hang out with the wrong crowd, let's pivot the friendships. Let's do a play date with the nice kids.

Yeah, no, even, I was even having a conversation with Brock at the Queen Mary just about, like, you know, the relationship, the girl relationship with her mom is obviously, like, very important. I said, but like it's also like the dad. Yeah. As a daddy's girl, like, yes, like telling her she's beautiful, telling her she's smart, telling her those things so that she doesn't feel like she goes to men to find the missing elements is like so important too. Because like, I mean, even though I was a daddy's girl. I look, I still ended up in bad relationships, right? Yeah. But like now as an adult, I'm not, like, I don't know.

At this point, I'd rather just stay single if I'm not going to find someone who I know would protect me the way I know my dad would, you know? Right, 100%. And also, little girls, and I'm sure boys too, but like they look up to how their parents treat each other. Yeah. You know, a girl is going to look at how her dad treats her mom. And that could be the same type of man that they go for one day.

And so that's what, like, even when Brock and I will like, bicker a little bit. Like even if our voices aren't raised, you can just hear it in the tone. Like we were disagreeing about something fucking stupid the other day. Like maybe it was like, no, soccer ends at 3.30. And she's like, stop. And I'm like, thank you. Thank you for the reminder because it's like we're never yelling at each other.

But we obviously have disagreements. And I try to never have those in front of her, but we were in the car. And it was like, no, we're late. Like this and that, da, da, da. And she's like, oh, stop it. And I'm like, thank you. Thank you for the correction because I don't want you to think this is okay to speak to people like this because it's not. And then Brock checks himself and he's like, I know, you're right.

But I do think that time was kind of me starting it. But whatever. I also, I meant to text Mark yesterday because there was something Brock did and I was going to make him the jacks hole of the week. And now I can't remember. Like, damn it. I need to take notes of these things. It was probably the skull thing that he didn't pick out. Right.

There was something at home that he did. And I was like, I'm going to make you the jacks hole for this. And I can't remember. It'll come to me. I'm sure he'll do something again that will remind me of why he should be the jackshole. But instead, you know, as if we don't have enough to worry about, I'm in enough toxic people to avoid in Southern California. Apparently, there was a highly venomous African Gaboon Viper.

just loose in Santa Ana, California. Like this week. What? I don't know where the fuck it came from. But now, like, we have to worry about actual vipers. I'm sure it's from someone's home. And West Nile. What the fuck?

I know. I can't even get into the mosquitoes of it all. I know. It's like I already try to avoid the human mosquitoes. You know? We got the real ones. I did. I was visiting Christina's mom yesterday.

She sadly just had to shave her head. I saw that. We just wanted to be there. He brought her all of her favorite snacks and everything. And there was a fucking mosquito flying around the room. I was like, I will not let her get West Nile on top of everything else she's dealing with right now. And I clapped so hard. My fucking hand stung.

But I looked and I'm like, I got it. I got it. Was it bloody? It was just smashed. But I was like, I don't care. I will clap a mosquito to death. Oh my God. Yeah.

I don't care. Yeah. But it's to The Viper. So the guy who reported it originally has now, admitted that the photo was AI generated and that this whole thing was fake. But everything else, I said, I think still stands. You know, this guy is going to be the jacks hole, not the snake, the guy for making everyone anxious for wasting public resources on a fake snake hunt and taking up news coverage that could have gone to something actually important. Yeah. And my uncle did

this recently. And I'm going to add him to the jacks hole list. He sent a photo in the family group chat of a car accident that he acted like him and his son were in and they're like standing outside of it and they're like, oh, don't worry, we're okay. And everyone in the family was like, oh my God, oh my God, like the Bronco or whatever truck it was. And then he's like, oh, you couldn't tell that was AI. I'm like, how is a fake car crash funny? Why'd you waste 10 gallons of waters for that? Right. That wasn't even a good, like, no. What the fuck? So you know who you are, uncle. You're also the Jackshole. Flowers for the week. Do you have anyone in mind? Oh, God. I mean, I kind of want to give it to the Cornell journalist who broke the story. I mean, like, honestly, they should get a Pulitzer. They should

get hired by whoever, like, you know, is needing real journalism. Because look, our media literacy is down and journalism needs to come back up again. It really does. Yeah. Like, I remember when that was my dream and just through the world of reality TV and everything else I've done, I'm like, my dreams have changed. but that still is so many people's dreams and that still needs to be relevant. It means what I went to school for too. Exactly. Yeah. Well, thank you all for listening.

Thank you, Kiki, for being here today. I know you've got to get to reality checked. Make sure you guys are listening to that weekdays on Radio Andy. And you can also find her at The Talk of Shame. We'll be back next week getting into some New York shenanigans. I have an interview with Jessel. I'm excited. We're talking to Dorinda right now.

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