Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Shedding the Snake, Fueling the Fire Horse

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

This week, Scheana welcomes Kiki Monique and Ryan Bailey back to the studio. From Lunar New Year superstitions (no sweeping, no black outfits, and Kristen Doute on strict “don’t break anything” watch) to baby prep and psychic readings from the other side, nothing is off limits. Ryan reveals his baby girl’s name and jokes that karma may have caught up with him after once spilling Summer Moon’s name before Scheana was ready. They also compare birth plans versus delivery-room reality (because sometimes sh*t goes out the window… or on the table). Then it’s a deep dive into Netflix’s Reality Check: Inside America’s Next Top Model. Kiki admits she used to be one of Tyra’s biggest defenders — until this documentary reframed everything. The trio unpacks reality TV’s pressure machine, accountability, and body commentary culture, as Scheana reflects on her own experiences on Reality TV, and explains why stepping away from it can be the only way to grow. Plus, they discuss Dorinda stepping up after Jill’s E! exit, and Scheana reveals which friendships she shed in the Year of the Snake — and why, in the Year of the Fire Horse, she’s not going back. Tune in for the tea! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Co-Hosts: @thetalkofshame @sobaditsgooditsgoodwithryanbailey Purchase your very own copy of the NYT Best-selling book & audiobook MY GOOD SIDE at www.mygoodsidebook.com!Episode sponsors:Reality Check: Inside America's Next Top Model is now playing only on Netflix.Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle. It's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Sheena Shea. So, welcome back and happy Lunar New Year here from shenanigans. We are in the year of the firehorse the first time in 60 years. And I am so excited.

I have taken chat. GPT's advice and I'm wearing my power color, which is emerald green. I've got my gold accents and my red shoes. So anyways, it's been a minute since I've been in the studio with my two guests today. We've got Kiki Monique and Ryan Bailey. Hello. How we doing? Good.

How do you find, how does chat know that your power color is emerald? So based off my birth chart. Okay. And my time of birth. I did a deep dive last night. Okay. It's very interesting. I'm like, okay, what should I do?

What shouldn't I do? What should I wear? What shouldn't I wear? I should not be in all black for the first like three to 15 days of the lunar new year because that blocks out like the energy. Three to 15 days. Yeah, the first two weeks, not all black. You can have black accents or if you wear all black have like a red shoe or a pop of color or something like that red lipstick. Oh my God.

I was late today because it took me so long to find an outfit not black in my closet. Everything I own is all lack. And so now I'm in like a weird tan jacket and a red t-shirt. The first two weeks, figure it out. And I took a shower last night and now my hair is like bone dry and I didn't know if I could put hair on it. So I look like we haven't had water in a month. Yeah. I mean, there are all the things, you know, that you're not supposed to do today, things you're supposed to do, supposed to eat.

I am adhering to all of it. Yes. I am just feeling a little extra pep in my step today. The Year of the Snake is behind us. We've shed all the bad energy and bringing on the firehorse energy. Yeah. No, I did so much shedding. Like, I think, I don't know if I had subconsciously knew that Lunar New Year was coming up.

But this weekend, I just like, I was like, I'm going to spend Valentine's weekend just loving myself. And I called like the junk removal people. I had all this junk taken out of my house. Then I had the Taskrabbit guy come over. He hung all this stuff. I'm getting my bedroom all like pink and girly. Ooh, I love that. I like just like, and I was like, I feel at peace.

Yeah. Good. Wow. Chunk removal. That's amazing. I think it's really exciting when we have these things that give you kind of hope for something better or something new. And so I was talking to Crystal Minkoff yesterday who was walking me through all of these traditions and stuff. But it is so funny.

We were talking earlier that I have not really, I didn't know a lot about the Lunar New Year before this year. Yeah. A few years ago, I went over to my friend Jenny Ting's house and we made dumplings. And she introduced us to all of the traditions, superstitions and all of the things. But the last couple years, I haven't really leaned into it as much as I've been hearing about the firehorse energy. And then I started doing a deep dive into what does that exactly mean for me? I know Ali should be my resident astrologer, which she's one of, but I also follow Amy Demure.

And this woman has been speaking to my soul with what this year means for tourist. I'm a Gemini rising and it was just like everything she's been saying I was like you are so spot on. Okay. Wow. I love it. And what's also crazy is things that my psychic told me back in August are a lot of the things that chat, GPT was saying last night in accordance to my birth chart.

Like what months are going to be the most prosperous for me? What months I need to really protect my energy? And it was just so wild because I was like, holy, shit. My psychic also told me there's going to be like a shakeup in that month, which I mean, sure, you have a chance to one in 12, but the fact that she didn't know my birth chart. Yeah. And when I plugged that into chat last night was telling me the exact same thing. I was like, are you psychic? Which, wait, which by the way, Sheena comes in and we said something and she goes, she goes, ask chat. And I thought she was saying to us that we're chat. And I didn't realize she was talking

about chat, GBT. And I was like, is that what we're doing now? Like I've asked, hey chat. And And then you first named your chat GPT. Well, my daughter did. And your daughter will too. Oh, my God. She's like, mom, just ask chat. Oh, my God. No, you ask her dad.

Daddy doesn't know. That is what's wild and just like going through all the tours for private schools right now. And it's like, oh, how are you utilizing AI, you know, with your education and whatnot? It's like so crazy that these kids will never understand what it's like to have to go to a library, get like an encyclical. you get like an encyclopedia and like read to find out one piece of information. You just go, hey, chat, how did last night? We're driving home from Palm Springs, her and her best friend. And she goes, how did the earth start?

And then she asks chat and chat starts going into like galaxy. She goes, no, no, no, chat. I don't want to know about the galaxies. I want to know about the earth. How did the earth start? And it was just like, then she's going into all the scientific, the big boom, da, da, da, da, da. But it was like.

But the curiosity is, that's the amazing. part. But I think the scary part is that that search for it, like, you know, helped with critical thinking and helped with being able to form a lot of different opinions except getting this one opinion where at the same time, you don't know what that's based on. It's all of this collective research, but that's the part that scares me. It's even like Spotify of like when I was growing up, it was just like you were at the mercy of your parents' CD collection. And so you're like, why am I listening to Michael Bolton? It's because my mom has. And then it's like your friends would like turn you on.

on to new music and now with Spotify or Apple music, you have everything. And so it makes it so impossible to find something because you have access to everything. Yeah. Everything at your fingertips. Yeah. Yeah. I worry about that. I feel like like future generations are almost becoming like this carbon copy and it's becoming, you know how when you keep carbon copy or you keep making a copy, it becomes less and less. Like I've been obviously watching like Love Story, the JFK and Carolyn Bissette. And it's like even just watching sort of like the Calvin Klein of it all and how fashion and how people had these like ideas and thoughts. And I'm like, we don't have that much anymore because I think that like we are losing some of this critical thinking and people

having to research and dive into things. And like we're just kind of like, oh, what is it? And it's, it makes me a little bit sad. I feel like we're losing the texture. I get that. But I do watch the wheels in her brain turning when she's asking chat questions and she wants to learn more. It's like, chat will give her that answer. And she's like, okay, but like she always has a follow up question. So I feel like that is her critical thinking. And it is something that we have to accept raising gen alpha kids is this is a part of their curriculum now. So how can we use it to our advantage and not be afraid of it because it's not going anywhere? I think we have to like make sure that the information that they're being fed is coming from a reliable source. Because that's the

worrisome part where it's like if it starts getting fed by a person that's like, okay, we're just going to tell them the information that this is what we believe they need to know. We need to be able to say like, that is not correct. Right. You were not getting correct information. Which is like, there was a Malcolm Gladwell essay about like handwriting, how handwriting is going the way of the dodo bird because everything is on computer. Everything's typed out. Oh, yeah.

Is that, you know, people don't really know how to write long form letters or anything like that anymore. And you're like, that's bizarre. I spend so much time learning how to do shitty cursive. And now it's going away. Oh, yeah. Athletes can't even sign their own. Like, there was an athlete who went to sign his, like, contract. And he didn't know how to sign.

He doesn't know what cursive is. Dark stuff. Yeah. You don't teach cursive anymore. Yeah. At all. Yeah. Yeah.

It's so crazy. When I was in Palm Springs, I was going through my dad had brought a bunch of boxes from their storage and their garage of all my childhood stuff, junior high. I had a whole box of the worst year of my life. I genuinely thought everything from that time of my life was gone because it wasn't in my storage, but it was buried in a corner as it should be, my parents' garage. So my dad gives it to me. What year are we talking about here?

1997, 1998. The worst years of my entire life. And I start going through this box and it just flooded me with so many horrible memories and things that started to come up in EMDR therapy. But then I opened this shoe box and it's jam packed with hundreds of handwritten letters. Oh, wow. And I was like, oh, my God. So I start opening them and I was just like, oh, my God. Like the way I talked back then, little Chola Sheena.

It was like, Wait, can we read some of these? How much are you willing to part with these for? I'll bring my diaries in if you bring your diaries in. It was so wild. But then there was one part where I said to my friend, I was like, P.S. Like, and then it was like P.PS or PSS, whatever, whatever. Oh, you must have got a lot of P.S.S.S.S.S.

But I'm like, don't worry. I won't let those girls do anything to you at my. birthday party. Like, I was just like, good. So I had her back. Okay. Proof. But it was wild. And I still keep in touch with that girl. And I had sent her a DM. I was like, the craziest thing. I said, I found this letter. I wrote to you. But I maybe never gave it to you. Like, I don't know why I have your letter. And I was like, but look at this shit. It was front, back, front, back. How did we have that much time to write? Because it was so fun to write. Okay. I wanted to ask you because as I was doing my cleanup. Obviously, I came across, like, I have like a tote and I have a trunk that's

full of like this old photos and memorabilia. What do you do with that? Like, do you digitize it? Do you just keep it in the box? Like, I don't want to get rid of it because it is this life, but like I don't, what do you do with it? I mean, I just build more storage and I keep it in the box. Yeah. My garage is very organized. I have everything labeled, but I just keep it all. And then one day when I'm not here, I mean, who cares what happens to it? That'll be up to. Well, that's why it was interesting. I'd love to be in charge of your archives. I know.

I was saying, do you want people to read that stuff? Because, you know, a Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis in her, you see in love story, I don't know if this is true, but she's burning all of her correspondence from over the years because she's like, when I die, I don't want people going through this stuff. And I was kind of like, that's true. Like, do I just have a self-destruct mode where it's like, I don't know if I want people? Well, that's what we were talking about, about like our digital presidences after we pass is that I was always hoping there'd be a kill switch.

You know, or something. Right. Also, because just imagine your text messages where you're being snarkey with a friend and like your, your dark as sick as humor. And then all of a sudden somebody has access to that of like, there should be some sort of kill switch so you can protect yourself. I don't mean Epstein shit, but I just mean like, just like stupid stuff and silly stuff that without context would be really.

But there was an article this week that Mark Zuckerberg is developing a product where they will be able to post in your voice after you pass. And I'm like, who needs that? Yes, that they would be able to, through AI, continue to post. I was like, people are going to make shitty Bravo memes in my voice. Like, that sounds not helpful to anybody. Yeah. No, that is crazy.

And when I was going through the stuff, I said to my mom, I was like, oh, my God, if you read any of that, you would feel like the worst mom in the world. And she looked at me like, why would you want to make me feel? I was like, no, I'm just saying, like, don't ever look at it because, like, I was in a very dark place. But why would you tell her that? I don't know. It was a word moment. And now she's going to like, you won't believe what I found. And now she's going to look for that stuff.

She's definitely going to look for it. Yeah. No, but it was just like it took me back to a very dark place. I found one of my yearbooks that I remember when I gave it to my friends, quote unquote, to sign every photo of me in the yearbook. I was on like the yearbook staff, honor society, like all of them. They scratched out my face. My face. Like they drew stuff all over.

They wrote in like the box of certain people. It was like whore, slut, this and that. And it was like stupid white girl, huera. It was just like, it was so mean. Jesus. And my mom's like, why are you keeping this? I was like, I don't know, but I'm going to keep it. I might want to look at it again one day.

I don't know why. But that's part of Lunar New Year. Let that shit go. Well, not today. Don't throw anything out. No, no. You're screwed now. Yeah.

Yeah. You know what? I do want to get into Lunar New Year. We're going to take a quick break and then get into all the things. back. Okay, so I don't know if y'all were fans of America's next top model like I was back in the day. I remember being in college watching this show. So, so iconic. But even if you weren't a fan of the show, let me tell you that you are going to want to watch this documentary on Netflix because it gives you a behind the scenes look. You have, oh my gosh, so many different perspectives.

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yours. So if you're ready to tap into your own magic, join me for She's So Lucky. New episodes drop every week. Okay, so today is the lunar new year. We are entering the year of the fire horse. I could not be more excited. So from the Chinese zodiac system, which combines one of the 12 animal signs with one of the five elements, wood, fire, earth, metal, and water, the horse represents movement, independence, passion, and bold action. And when it's paired with a fire element, that energy just gets like super amplified. So this is really exciting for us because fire is associated with visibility, charisma, intensity, and transformation. A firehorse year is considered especially dynamic, fast moving,

ambitious, sometimes a little bit unpredictable. It's all about momentum and courage and taking decisive action rather than overthinking, which I need to remember. And one of the things chat was saying last night was to protect my energy, not to over-exert myself, not to be overly exhausted, focus on sleep. I've got my aura ring, which I need to switch to my gold one because it's one of my power colors. I'll be going back to gold. Good as gold. But the horse equals action and freedom and fire equals passion and power. So together, this energy is big, bold, confident, and all about charging forward.

but it can also burn hot. So it's important to channel that energy intentionally instead of impulsively. And the coolest thing that Chat said to me last night was protecting your energy will protect your income. And that just hit like the nail on the head for me with the decisions that I've made in my career. Yeah. I was like, holy shit. Is Chad ever like send nudes? You look great today, by the way.

I have an Australian woman. She hasn't asked for those yet. Good day, mate. I see you know. So there are six things that we're supposed to avoid. Obviously, by the time you guys are listening to this, today has passed, hopefully you did them. But I was reading about how this day is basically just like an energetic reset,

what you should do, what you shouldn't do, what you should wear, what you should eat, all of the things. And it just really sets the tone for the entire year of the fun. fire horse. There was a feng shui expert who shared that it's not about celebrating, but about being intentional and avoiding certain missteps so that you can just really call in prosperity. So this year's energy all about finally tackling the goals you've been putting off. You already started doing that with your junk removal. I know that's something you've been wanting to do. Are you getting the nursery ready for baby girl?

What does she do again? Five weeks, five and a half weeks. Yeah. It's crazy. Very, very crazy. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So what I need you to do is send me. I don't need to know her name yet. I'm not going to. Oh, I'll tell you. Oh, wait. Well, I have a funny story about that too. And Rebecca told me to tell you is that her name's Romi. M.M.Y. Oh, like Romy and Michelle. But you'll love this. And this is just my karma for your baby name was that I was on the Jeff Lewis show. And I said to Rebecca, I said, hey, can I tell Jeff? And she took that as meaning can I tell Jeff personally? which is crazy because I don't like call up Jeff and like share things with Jeff. Stop it. You outed it yourself and you're supposed to. So I said it on the radio and I got home and she's like, we have to talk. And I was like, what did I do now? And she was like, what did you say on the radio? And I say a lot of stupid stuff on the radio. Like, and she's like, you said the baby's name. And I said, I asked you. You said you asked Jet. Can I tell Jeff? And I said, what do you think? I just don't share like I don't call Jeff and just go buddy, buddy with them. I meant on the radio, of course. And she goes, this is the only time. that you took this from me. This is my only.

And I was like, and then it all ended up, but then she was like, you got to tell Sheena. This is your karma. This is your karma. Okay. So I have a bag full of stuffies for you from Summer Moon in the car. Oh my gosh. I don't have the photo yet because I wanted her to address it to the baby. Oh, that's, wow.

I was going to, I was like, do I address it to you? But I think it should be for roaming. Yeah, that would be amazing. And also, if there's any like a color theme or, something like a scheme you're going for in the nursery, I can have her like add that to it. Not that it has to be hung up in the nursery, but just something that. Yeah, screw my baby. I'll hang it up.

Wait, I love this because obviously you're going with our names because Rebecca, Ryan. We didn't even think about that. Really? Yeah, we're not trying to be like the Kardashians or anything like that. But we're still like undecided on the middle name. That's been like a back and four. Because what's your middle name? Tyler.

And what's Rebecca's middle name? Dawn. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And so we're trying to find it what musically works with Romie, Bailey, because there's two whys. I feel like you need three syllables. I don't know why, but like, I was like.

Oh, see, and I was thinking one. It's because I was like Romney. One or three. Romie Jackson Bailey. Romie Schwarz Bailey. Romney, Bail. I was trying to, yeah, none of that. Two syllables.

I think, yeah, two syllables are going to work. I think one or three syllables. Two, two doesn't work. Either one or three. It's a lot of pressure because then you have to put it on the birth certificate there. They won't let you leave. And then talk to Kylie. Jenner about how difficult it is to change after.

Do you have her number? Yeah, no, you have to do that before you leave. I can't believe they just let us take the baby out of there, like, after like two days. It's kind of crazy. They force you to like choose a lifelong name in that moment when you've just had like this crazy experience. You had 10 months to think about it. You should know by now.

You see the baby. That's the name. That's what I'm saying. You see it might feel different. I don't know. I don't want to get out a day to figure it out. Sorry to get off topic, but now I'm good. Did you have a.

birth plan in terms of music because Rebecca has like got a playlist that's insane like it's like Mariah Carey like there's like you got me feeling emotions like it's insane she wants lights low interesting choices yeah short answer no I had no birth plan whatsoever other than no because I with my OCD did not want to go into the hospital and be like I have to have the epidural then or I don't have the epidural at all and I have to have this and it because your plan is most likely going to go to shit. I just, I say that from just knowing so many women who have a birth plan. Yeah, exactly. And it very rarely works out exactly as you want. The music, sure, that's great. I think we were maybe playing tiny dancer or something that calmed me. That was the song I played before I froze my eggs as they were like, what song do you

want to hear before like we put you under? That maybe was like the only thing. But when you are pushing and screaming and pooping on the table, you don't give a fuck. You don't. What's on his playing? Oh, God. So the proof on the table is real. Damn it. She's like, every time he's like, oh, the tearing and this and that.

She might not tear. I didn't tear. I only needed one stitch. It was like not a bad recovery. So. And it's like you never know. Your plan might be a natural birth, but then you have to have a C-section or, you know,

a vaginal birth, but then you have to have a C-section. It might be if you want it natural and you don't want meds, but then you really need those meds. It's like you just, you don't know. We're just hoping for healthy, but we did a bit on my show where I was like, I'm in control of the DJ. And so I was like, I'm doing good as gold. And then I was like, imagine your crowning and then all of a sudden raised your glass starts playing.

Pandora's box. Out comes from me. Oh my gosh. Well, five weeks. And at this point, like, it could be any day. Yeah, that's what, I mean, that's the thing that we keep. That home stretches. You know, and she's got.

She's definitely feeling it. And, you know, she's like, some days are amazing. And then some days, the body is changing so much. And you're just like, I can't believe you've done this. Are you going weekly now to the doctor? Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

We go back tomorrow morning. Okay. Yeah. So exciting. Yeah. I just can't wait to see her and meet her and all of that stuff and just see what there's so much anticipation. Yeah.

That you're like, I want to see. I just want to see her, but then I want to see how our life. Yeah. What it turns into, you know. Yeah. That is one thing I will say. Have you guys discussed like parenting styles and whatnot? Because after, you know, it's like the baby, I want to say is easy.

It was terrifying for me, but it's a baby. You know, they eat, they poop, they pee. It's like rinse and repeat every few hours. But then as the kid starts talking when the kid goes into school, when it's like eating, like there's so many things that just try to have the best communication and align as much as possible and understand each other's side. because when Brock is harsh with summer, it hurts my soul. But I know she needs someone stern.

She can't just have two parents who are her best friends who just like go with the flow. Like she needs that. But then I'm there for the emotional support. And so I used to fight with him a lot about this. But now I'm like, okay. Like yesterday, for example, she was having a fit on her bike. The sun was in her eyes and then just it was all downhill from there. Tried to give her my glasses.

He tried to give her hat. Nothing was helping. I'm like, you can get off the bike. walk or she's like, I just want you to push me. And he was like, you're not pushing her, Sheena. And he was like, summer, I understand that you do need that firmness at times. She needs structure. She needs that. And so I just started, we're with her little best friend. So I just start walking with Lila on the bike. And then she's like, Mommy, wait. And she starts pedaling as as fast as she can. He's like, see? She's doing it. And I'm like, I know.

She has going to be a thousand decisions every day. Yeah. Pick your battles. Yeah. But right now, So let's pick what to do and not to do for Lunar New Year. Okay, so there are a few things you're supposedly not supposed to do on the actual day. And this is if you want just the perfect energetic reset. So first, no cleaning, no sweeping. Everything was supposed to be done before midnight last night. I got home from Palm Springs. Salem just, he makes a mess in the cat litter.

It's like, I swear, there's boy cats and girl cats. The girl is always Penny Lane perfectly clean. Salem is just like a mess. litter on his nose, it's in his paws. I'm just like, how do you make such a mess? Such a boy. So the idea is that you don't want to sweep away your fresh, good luck. So I'm just going to be stepping on whatever litter there is today.

I put the broom outside so I'm not even tempted to sweep. Second, no arguing or complaining. Because what you say on New Year's Day is believed to set the tone for the year. So keep it positive. Save the drama for tomorrow, you know? third avoid Are we allowed to talk shit about pop culture? Yeah

Yeah, that's not arguing. Yeah. No, I just want to like, because I have to like, you know, do that the rest of the day, including here. I'm like, do I have to be positive about like? Just don't complain. Like if you watch something that was it, just don't complain about it. I love Tyra Banks. She's amazing in the new.

Oh, I want to get into that. I definitely want to get into that. But we don't, there's no complaining. It's let's talk about it in a positive way and how. analysis, you know, exactly. The third one is avoid knives or scissors if you can because sharp objects are said to cut luck or relationships. So no cutting anything today.

I opened all of my boxes last night. All your PR? You're like, all of them. Yeah, I got some good stuff. On the fourth one, no one's washing their hair today. Don't cut your hair. Don't trim your beard. None of that.

It's symbolic of washing away your fortune right as it comes in. So none of that. know, we washed her last night, right? Yeah. No, I, and I'm smoking cigarettes last night too. I know.

Okay. So we're just going to like that. Let the math. Basking that way. The fifth one, and it's so funny. I don't remember who it was, but I remember I had a dream

about this last night that someone asked me to borrow money. And I was about to Venmo them today. And I was like, wait, I can't. There's no borrowing or lending money today. Yeah. You don't want to start the year in a deficit

or sending your abundance out the door. Okay. And that's where you're supposed to pay up your debts or before today. Yeah. And finally, try your hardest not to break anything. Breaking objects symbolizes loss. So maybe, I don't know, let someone else handle the fragile stuff if you're a little clumsy like me. But it's just all about protecting your energy, starting the year of the firehors on the strongest and just most abundant path possible. So I was actually talking to Kristen Doty yesterday about this and I was like, oh my God, because it's her birthday today. And I was like birthday and lunar New Year firehorse. Like this is going to be such a great year for you. And she goes, yeah, and I broke something today.

And she's like, good thing. It wasn't tomorrow. I was like, just don't break anything tomorrow. Kristen, don't touch anything. She's so accident prone. Just sit. Hold your baby. Watch TV. safe. But yeah, so those are all of my lunar New Year things that I am just leaning into. I'm going to be wearing lots of green and gold and red. And it also said to wear something new today. This outfit is kind of new. But I've never worn this necklace before. Okay. So I just had to add a little something. For those listening, Sheena's wearing a gold necklace. A beautiful gold necklace. Okay. Moving on. Wait, have you been filming? Are you on the new flipping out? It's no, I'm not like a, I don't know how, I'm not a care.

You're a friend of? I'm a friend of. Yeah, I would say I'm a friend of. So I've been, there's a lot of events happening. Like we just did a karaoke party on Friday. And then we did a special radio thing on Saturday for Valentine's Day. And so I've been at those events and I've been miced up a couple of times. I don't know what I'm allowed to say, but it's been really.

You can say everything here on. Yeah. I just from somebody that's like studied this stuff and watched this stuff for so long, it's really fascinating to watch it put together. And how real it is, but also how these, the crews move. And I now see like, oh, you really sometimes don't know if they're picking up what you're saying. Like, you can really see how people don't know until the edit what actually is heard or seen or what they're focusing on. And it's been exciting, but it's also been, I think, very eye-opening where I, there was. I think one of the first days that it was filming, I'm not sure what will be shown or something, but there is some sort of blow up that happens where I'm right next to it, where I think I'm just like, agog. I'm like, my mouth, like, my jaw was unhinged. And I was like, this is insane. Like, it's very, and not that it changes anybody, but I feel like the particles of the air, like, become different. And all of a sudden, all of these issues come to the forefront. And, but at the same time it's been really fun to watch and it'll be really great because I know so many of the people that

are involved in it that I can't wait to see how they're portrayed on it. But I'm so thankful. There was a moment where I think they were potentially wanting to film the baby shower. And that was just like a no go. It was a no go. Was it a no go by you or by Rebecca? Both of us. Okay. But it was just because that was supposed to be her day or our day. And it was. You had reality TV camera on that day. It was down the line. This is nothing with Jeff. It was just that I couldn't be assured that there wasn't going to be a blowup.

And that was like, as part of me would find that a little funny just because of what I do in life. Not for her. Not for her. Like, and we had our families there. There was our, like, you know, my dad broke his teeth. So he was like two teeth out. I was like, this is already embarrassing as hell. I had to text Jeff because Jeff's ever met my dad.

I said, hey, this heads up. My dad broke his teeth. then I just, I want him to, I want you to guys to me, but he's like, I can't wait. See, actually. And so they wait, but the photographer A-Ied my dad's teeth into the photos. Stop it. Oh, my gosh. Oh, that's great.

And it's like, my poor mom's not here anymore. And my mom would have killed my dad. I mean, like, I could hear my mom's voice so presently going, how dare you? It was just such a fluke accident. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. My mom just had a psychic reading slash massage.

There's this woman who's based in Vegas. We've gone too far. But while you're getting the massage, your chakras, your energy, all of this. And my dad's mom came through when you said teeth that reminded me and she said she just lost it. Because right when my OMA passed away,

my mom said we have to put her teeth in before like you can't, you know, open the jaw because that happened with my mom's dad. And my OMA came through and said, thank you for the teeth. And it was just like, Oh my God. Like my mom goes, that was so crazy.

Like there's always just those moments when we have psychic readings where it's like, you can't make this up. You can't Google this. Like that's wild. So crazy. Wow. Okay. So moving on, because I have some questions.

It was just announced that your co-host Kiki, Derinda, will be joining the cast of Ease the Golden Life with some of her fellow Rony ladies. Is she the replacement of Jill? Is that where we're going with this? Honestly, she was hard. I think, I don't know what's been said. I mean, I think that if that show was going forward, I don't think that there would have been a show where we wouldn't have seen her a part of her friend's life.

For sure. But I do think that the Jill of it all probably made it even more like, we definitely need this person here. And they wanted to rush that announcement a little bit to put positivity back into the project. Because people, I think it had a bad taste in their mouth because they're just like, we were excited about this. But now we're like weirded out, but now we're excited again. And so I think that was like a good. And everyone's loving her own traders. Yeah, exactly.

So I think she's in like a like really good just like momentum. So I'm excited. I mean like it was it's been fun like doing the debrief of traders on air with her. So like it'll be even more fun like obviously I haven't really where she's been like a main member of a show and co-hosting. I think that'll be so much fun. I love that. Yeah, it'll be. I mean the the gill of it all, it'll be interesting because I don't have him.

information about this, but I feel like with E firing Jill or not having her a part of this project, they're really putting their foot down of like, we want a light, funny project. And so I'm like, oh, so is this like a 30 minute as opposed to an hour? Because I feel like if you have like a 43 minute hour show, then you're going to get into more real life issues. Because I was speculating like, oh, I didn't think they were going to let go with Jill. I thought they were going to keep her. And I was like, oh, then you just make the first episode. Jill canceled herself and having the other ladies. but them doing that, they're sending a clear statement of we do not want to talk about the world at large right now. What are your thoughts on Jill's non-apology?

I mean, I don't think we'll ever get one because I don't think she legitimately thinks she did anything wrong. And this is like the inherent problem. I took it down. And like after how long? Exactly. And how many messages of people telling you to make it fucking down? Surprise. And you took it down and then put it back up because I remember at one point I thought and then it was gone.

And then it was back up. So it's like, yeah, it's just a weird thing. And, you know, like, I just think I find the hilarity in that like, Jill was supposed to be part of that original Rooney reboot. And she was the reason that never happened. And then she, like, got herself canceled from something that she was actually, she was, I think, a big part of why this show was even happening. And that she got fired before it even started filming.

I don't know. It's just hilarious to me. And then her step-grandson did her Reddit ask me anything? Oh, yeah. Where it came out that it was like. The Zarin family seems to really passionately dislike Jill. Yeah. And all of this information was spilled.

And Zarin fabrics put a big X. Like Zarin Fabric. I thought Jill still was a part of Zarin fabrics. And it's like they haven't had anything to do with Jill in years. But they wanted to make it known. And I was like, that is wild. Yeah. Because at that point, you know, to Kiki's point is that you're like, I don't think Jill's going to change.

But I do, I would love. I mean, I would love for her to genuinely. realize what the uproar is, you know? Like, you're obviously not canceled. You're still living a more successful life than I would say 98% of America. But is there a way in which we can actually try to understand each other? Or like, this seems to be a common occurrence with Jill. Yeah. And the thing is, is that that's the great thing about the Dorinda announcement is because everybody was like, well, I'm shocked it wasn't Ramona. Ramona. So it's like the Durinda thing is great to put a little bit of a positive spin back on it. Because all of a sudden you saw So

Luann, everybody's posting bad bunny in your stories. Which was like, we love him. Kind of crazy. I think she posted every Latino friend, but I'm like, again, this is Puerto Rico. It's a part of America, but okay. Teresa Judice used the bad bunny song like the next day on one of her Instagram slides.

Without saying it, I was like, man, it's so funny to wake up. And every Bravo Leopardy is posting like a bad bunny song. I love it. Well, speaking of Sonia Morgan, she had posted that the show will be on Ian streaming on Hulu. And I'm like, was that? a mistake or did she reveal something? Hulu came, yeah, like it came out and said it will not be on Hulu.

So I don't know where she got that information. So she meant to probably say Peacock and she just said Hulu and then they're like, no, no, no. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, it's so right. Yeah. Sonia's crazy, but also this is why I'm glad that we'll be seeing her on air again. But this is also what happens when it's like with reality stars is that a lot of these people don't, they're not singers, they're not dancers, writers, actors, you know, it's like this is who

they are. Sometimes we get the benefit of watching them, but then it's like they think we need their opinion on everything. And I just still wonder if Jill was riding that wave of like mainly positivity where everybody was like, we're so excited to have you back where she was like, you know what? I got to get on here and tell him my bad bunny impression. It was that field of like I'm so high on myself in this positivity that I think they want to know every one of my thoughts. Yeah, we don't. Yeah. You can keep a lot of them.

Yeah, to yourself. Yeah. All right. So because I have you guys here, I still want to stick with reality TV. And it's not that it necessarily needs to be positive, but it can be constructive and analytic, okay? Because we have to talk about the reality check inside America's next top model documentary that is on Netflix. Have you guys watched it? Oh, absolutely. All three parts. Me too. Holy shit. Yeah. I mean. I think they could have even gone further. Oh, they could have taken three more episodes. They could have done. Totally. They could have. have done an episode for each cycle and I would have been all in it. I didn't realize how many cycles that show had.

Because I stopped watching and obviously we know why because I was like, oh yeah, this is why I had stopped watching, yeah. But then when Tyra said, like, cycle 25, you have no idea like what's coming. I'm like, wait, the show's coming back? Well, that's why I think that this maybe even docu-series was happening because I think

she wanted to bring it back. But Netflix made a point coming out saying she is not a producer on this. She didn't have, but But at the same time, not that this documentary had a completely negative slant. I mean, it definitely showed its issues. Why would you then, after watching three parts of all of the potential bad, like, slipups that go like, we're back again. And also talking about that, you know, the contestants weren't really taken seriously in the modeling world.

Right. So then what is the, so basically you're not doing modeling anymore. It's basically just here's it. You can be an influencer on season 25. Exactly. Or cycle. Yeah. So for those.

of you who haven't watched it yet. This documentary is so explosive. It features Tara Banks. Also, Jay Manwell, Nigel Barker, Miss Jay. I mean, they talk about when they got fired and how that made them feel and who they blamed for it. It has top models giving their personal stories about things that they went through. And they're just so much is featured in this. It's a new documentary about the actual show. So it's called Reality Check Inside America's Next Top Model and it's now playing on Netflix. It's like we all love reality TV and have, you know, built careers to different capacities around this. But this documentary really makes you look at it differently. Like you can love reality TV and still question it.

And when everyone in 2020 started doing a rewatch, they were really questioning what and how this got put on television back then. And I was one of the biggest Tyra. Defenders when that rewatch was happening because I was like, you guys weren't there, you don't understand, this is what reality TV was like. And I was literally like, kind of like, you guys, just get over it. Then I watched this for myself and I was like, okay, hearing from the models themselves, first of all, it unlocked so many memories that I either had buried. Right. But it also made me realize, like, there were so many insecurities that were birthed from me that, like, I had sort have forgotten about that, you know, when they talked to model Danielle, she went by Danny

at the time and they were talking about her gap. So I'm always like, you know, like I've had a gap my whole life and it's been something I've been weird about. But like I would always like look to like models like Lauren Hutton and people that, you know, like I was like, oh, they love their gap. And so when I saw Danny, of course, I was immediately drawn to her. And I remember that episode where they like forced her to close her gap. And then I hadn't thought about it.

But I remember I was going to the dentist at the time asking. about closing my gap. And I was like, why was I doing that? I was like so intent. And I realized it was probably because they told her, you're going home. If you don't close this gap, as much as she fought it, she didn't want it. And I was thinking, well, yeah, if I don't ever, if I don't close this gap, like, I'll never be taken serious in the entertainment industry. So I got to close this gap. I got to find a dentist to close this gap. Luckily, I guess I couldn't find the right dentist because they kept telling me, like, the way they were going to do it, I would have like these huge bunny teeth. And I was like, well, that's worse. So no. But like, I just,

you know, I realized there were so many things that from watching this at just this impressionable age that it was like. Heartbreaking. Yeah. Especially having a daughter with a massive gap. When I was watching that, I was just like, oh, I don't ever want her to feel like when if her adult teeth come in and she still has a gap, if she wants to fix it and wants to get invisible or braces, but I never want that to be forced on her for a job.

It wasn't even a job. Yeah. Like it was, well, if you want to continue on this path. Yeah. This is what you must do. Well, that's why I'm so curious because we have docu-series like this now and people have grown up on reality television. If you choose to participate in reality television in the year of Our Lord 2026,

you know at this point. Like, you know, it's like I feel like we have enough examples now. And the, you know, of like what producers or these people putting these shows together want, they want drama, they want these things. And so I do find it interesting. Has it made reality television better? Has it made it nicer? Has it made it these things? And I don't think it has yet we have so much proof of it being somewhat destructive in these contestants lives, right? Or even Tyra, because I was like Kiki where I was like, well, man, you're the you're the head of this thing. Like sometimes you're going to hurt people's feelings. Sometimes being the boss like her. But then there is this responsibility that I think you have as well that she seems to even in 2026 shy away. from. She didn't even answer the questions about Jay.

Yeah. Straight up. Skip that. I mean, that's a huge part of the documentary and you just choose not to comment on it. Yeah. You can't say like, yes, like I created this thing. I was the head of this thing. But then when it comes to like, oh, well, I don't really know about those production decisions. Like, you know, like I was just doing the best with the information. Like, you actually do. And like I and I didn't like that she wasn't taking accountability. But yeah, with the Jay thing, that was one of your best friends in the world. And for you to ice him out because he was trying to move on, like, and you won't address it and you say, I'm going to address it later.

You're not because we see you didn't miss Jay had a stroke and you didn't even win to visit him. That was, oh, but I mean, the three judges, that was the, the beautiful part of this. I thought what a, what, that was like the heart of the docu series where I think Tyra and her big inspector gadget trench coat was like, you know, it's like you, you were a part of this huge thing and you still are out there, you know, being able to. work and successful, but it is interesting. Why, why be a part of this? Like, what, what are you hoping? Because my thought was like, oh, is this just promo for cycle 25? Is this just the launching pad for that? Yeah. And I think it's her being like, okay, call me out of my shit. Here I am being

accountable. It's like, but you're not fully being accountable. Yeah. And if you're not answering questions, that's not accountable. Exactly. But I think she thought she was. And I think that's exactly what she was trying to do. And I would love to see the contracts that they made these probably barely 18, 19-year-old girl signed that they are probably, like they can never probably sue. They can never disparage. They can only tell, you know, their side. And it's like, it's so. Well, I mean, think about it too is that, you know, it's, it's praying on the hopes and dreams of young people. It's like everybody that moves to California, Los Angeles. Everybody's here with hopes and dreams and this thought of this better life or some sort of pseudo-celebrity

and so they're susceptible because we want to believe. We want to like, and so those people walking in thinking, oh, Tyra has the answer. Like, oh, I'm going to do this. If I get picked for this competition, my career's made.

And in reality, they're just trying to make a good reality. They're not really truly worried about their careers. And the one contestant that said, you know, I lived with this model. I wasn't going out on castings. And they said, oh, yeah,

we don't really take those models seriously. Yeah. Yeah. No, like that was, because that's what's interesting. So like in today, If you join a reality show today, even if it's like a one season thing, you can probably get a few brand deals and you can kind of make it into something. Most of these girls did this show, went home, went back to their jobs at Walgreens.

And like, that was it. There was no tummy tea to be sold back then. Yeah. There were no bad fit fun boxes or dip I wear. It's like you didn't even not, you weren't even able to ride the influencer way. Yeah. No, not at all. I mean, social media was non-existent.

Yeah. You know, over 50% of us, you know, we want to go along. We want to play nice. We want to play ball. So, you know, you put in these situations and you're like, well, you know, it's the show goes on. I'm, you know, I agreed to do this. And so you're susceptible and you feel a sense of responsibility even not being the ones in charge because you're like, well, we're all doing this thing. And so hopefully the ones that are in charge have my best interest at heart.

And it's like the pressure to maintain ratings and grow the show and the things that they did. I mean, some of these photo shoots, I just like, I mean, unhinged is putting it lightly. Yeah. Shooting with unhoused people as props. A gunshot victim photo shoot when Dion's mom was a real life victim of a gunshot that Ken was just like, oh, that was a mistake. No, no way that was a mistake. There's no irony here. And then the switching ethnicities shoot, I mean, I feel like that was like maybe the first time they got back.

And then they did it again, though, like nine cycles later. Because it's rage bait. It works. Yeah. Yeah. And what's so funny is, like, you know, Danielle says, like, and when I did go to try to actually become a model, I couldn't use a single photo from the, or maybe it was Kenya who said.

I couldn't use a single photo from the shoot. And I remember what I would watch with my friends. I had one friend who was just like, these are not like modeling pictures. Like, they won't be able to use that. But I remember being like, well, why not? They're being taken by a photographer. I didn't understand at the time, but she obviously had an eye and understood modeling, but I was just like, yeah, insane.

But we all have stories, I mean, like, not to that extreme, but we all have stories where we did something because we trusted somebody else that we thought had our best interests at heart. And then you wind up with some goofy-ass photo or some, you know, like it all happens. Yeah, it's all been happening. And like, I mean, I love reality TV. I love watching it. I love doing it.

But when you're told something is causing harm and you don't change it, like at what point does it stop being ignorance and start being negligence? It's just, yeah, it's wild. That makes me so curious about the next season of the Valley to see how Lala, sorry to bring up, but like I do think about that sometimes of like the softer side of Lala is that's what's going to be projected. or is she thinks she's clocking in as this persona, that sometimes I think about because you're like, well, we want to see the real person.

Well, that's, and it's like, if I'm just seeing somebody that's clocking in on their job and they think them being full of bluster and having fights with people, that's what we want to see. I would argue that's not exactly it. I don't want to see the Daniel Day Lewis of reality TV. I want to see who you actually are.

And especially as you get older. Yeah. I feel like some people don't know who they actually are. They're worried about, you know, reinventing themselves and this is what I need to be to mold this and to fit in here. And some people, I think, need to step away from this world to figure out who they are, me being one of those people. Had I decided to go in for season three of the Valley, I would not be in this place of growth and healing. I mean, you know, I would have put my energy, which thanks to Taylor Swift I now know is very expensive. I would have just put that at risk for ratings, for a paycheck, just because that's what I've always done and that's what I've always known.

And you're a good soldier. Yeah, I was. And now on to the year of the fire horse, bigger and better. I feel like for me stepping away from reality TV right now, but then watching a documentary like the, America's next top model one. It brought up certain things for me that I remembered were maybe made light of in the moment. Like I remember season five, I had really started working out for the first time in my life. I just lost the baby fat that I had from my early 20s and I got really fit. But I also kind of lost my ass in the way I was working out. I don't think I was training

in the right way for my body type. And I remember a comment where, Jacks like said something about my ass and how flat it was. And the camera pans over and like zooms in. I think I was wearing like gray skinny jeans or something. And I'm just like, and then the girl start talking about, oh, she's like anorexic, this and that. And I'm like, okay, look, coming from someone who actually did have an eating disorder in college, this is triggering.

And then they weaponize that against me and we're like, well, we all like wish we were anorexic. And like, that's like such a compliment. And like if someone ever says, you know, I'm too skinny. Like, that's a compliment. And this and that. I'm like,

but I'm working really hard. And that I don't take lightly. I don't take this as a compliment. But it was like used against me. And then as I'm watching on America's Next Top Model, hearing the judges, you know, critique the bodies and their weights.

It's like that just, that shit doesn't age well. You know, there was, do you remember there was a website? It was called like Hot or Not back in the day. It sounds familiar. People would like upload their photo and then the internet would,

rate them hot or not on a scale of like one to ten. Okay. That's how, yes, that's sounding very familiar. It's just like there was a whole era that normalized public humiliation. Oh yeah. And I mean,

it doesn't excuse it. It gives, you know, context. But for, there was one more thing. I wanted to say that I related to. When Jay,

Nigel and Miss Jay all, you know, got fired and Tyra's like, oh, it wasn't up to me. It was like, huh, I've been there.

Not once, but twice. when they're like, oh, well, you're going to be a friend of, but no one's going to know you're a friend of. We're going to pay you as a friend of, but you're still full time. It's not our decision. And I'm like, so whose decision was it? The network blames production, production, plays the network.

And then you're like... That was what was interesting because when Tyra said that it was this new guy who came in and took over for, you know, the woman who had left and it wasn't her decision and anyone could go. But then we see the next evolution of America's Next Top Model. and it's just Tyra, Tyra, Tyra. And I was like, was it his decision or were you not okay with sharing the spotlight anymore and you sort of pushed towards that?

Because it was the worst decision ever made. Who ruined the show? I mean, that montage they did of all of her kookiness after that. And I don't even remember that because I had stopped watching by then. It was a terrible error. And I was just like, oh my God. Like, I do think that Tyra, look, again, I will never take away any of what Tyra has done for black women, for black models, any of that.

But do I think a lot of this got to her head and maybe she has a little bit of narcissism? I could it not, though, too. You know, when you are being like so much, I mean, when you actually fight for something that's been turned down by every network except for UPN, that has to like, and then it becomes successful based on your idea,

that's got to really fill your head if everybody's loving you. And then if you start to lose that power, if you start to lose that, that's got to really throw you for a loop as well because it's got to feel like the sky is falling to some degree. So I have empathy when thinking about Tyra, but it's a shame when real relationships like she seemed to have with Jay

or like the people that help you get there, business can be very cruel and cold. And you want your heroes to be the opposite of that. And I think a lot of people did or still do look up to Tyra in a lot of ways. Yeah. And the fact that Jay Manuel wanted to leave the show after cycle eight. And then they were like, no, no. And stay through 18.

You're going to do not just one more, 10 more, and then we're going to fire you. Yeah, is really, really crazy. But can I just say, one, I saw Nigel Barker outside of the serious XM studios in New York City, like when I was there last time, still looks amazing. Still looks so good. But also, like, Jay and Jay also, like, I mean, even Miss Jay with, like, they still look so good. I'm like, damn. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I mean, and that's where I've, like, that gave me the heart of that docu series. Totally. And I'm like, it just says a lot when she's in a single. talking head interview the whole time. And those people got to get together and talk about their experience and with Ms. Jay's stroke and like, you know, that they genuinely have this relationship that has continued. And I thought that was like this beautiful thing to be taken from it. And it can be lonely at the top or wherever Tyra considers she is.

Yeah. If she's planning on bringing back 25 and it doesn't include those three, I'm sorry. It's not going to be a success. I don't even know if they would do it. But how amazing would it be if they did bring those? I mean, that's now that's a step in the. way you can come back. That's the only way.

But it's like Derinda, you know, the announcement for the Golden Life. You know, you want to get people excited. Like, so these are the negatives. So how do we then issue the negative, sweep out the negative, and bring this positivity back into it. And if you got those three judges, I think people, because people then would not even just for the story of the models, they'd be looking at them. Like, how are you guys doing?

Yeah. Right. You know? Yeah. So for all of you listeners, if you haven't watched it, it is on Netflix now, three-part documentary series. I mean, I couldn't stop watching it. My question was, it says reality check inside America.

So is this now going to be a series like reality check inside flavor of love? Well, I hope so because I hope it drives traffic to reality checked, which is my radio show. Monday through Thursday, 1 PM you guys. Is this related? And I'm like, yes, absolutely. Come listen on serious. No, I love, but don't you love those things? Because, you know, we've been fighting as silly as it sounds for respect to be put on reality television.

name. And when you have projects like this, you're like, great. You know, it just, it opens it up to so many people. There's so many discussions that can be had. There's so many stories that you're like, see, this is what I've been addicted to for these last couple of decades. Yeah. And it's finally starting to get a little more respect. Reality check inside Vanderpump Rules. I love that. I mean, they could have this for literally every reality show ever. I mean, that's still my dream with Bravo is to like be able to do a panel show or do a host where it's like Kiki and I and Gibson and all of these people where you get to open up the peacock vaults and do the history of housewives because it's like open the schools. People are wondering like, oh, the Valley Persian style. Well, I didn't watch Shaws.

You don't have to first off. But let me take you through the top five amazing moments, season one through five just to give you a little taste. Like we need to walk people through what is so exciting. Because there will be a day, even with Vanderpump Rules, seven years when it's not going to be on the air. And I'm not talking about the new thing. They got seven years from now. People will start to maybe like Vanderpump rules might not be as powerful of a memory for people as it is today. So you want to keep that excitement alive for people. And I just still don't understand why Peacock doesn't do more with their catalog because it's all there.

And we just need to be able to curate it. You know? Yeah. Well, I'm just kind of sticking on that to wrap up the episode. Do you have any questions you want to get off your chest if I don't see you again until you're officially a father? That I die. Yeah. This is really dark. You know what? Just from a reality, somebody that talks about these shows' perspectives, I do wonder psychologically, and we have not talked about this, psychologically, how it feels about like the Valley season three, we had the trail. how it is in terms of watching this,

knowing that you could have been a part of it, you chose not to, but how you deal with seeing people out there in the fray still talking or the Lala, the Janet, the, the, the Brittany. Like, how do you deal with that? Have you prepped yourself for that? Not fully.

I mean, I think it'll be a week by week. I'm, of course, going to watch this season. TBD, how much we discuss that here. but you know a chunk of these people are still my friends. I was just with Zach, Danny, and Nia on Saturday night at the Abbey for an Ashley Simpson show. Oh, yeah, yeah. So much fun. I'm in Jasmine and Melissa's wedding with Brittany, Kristen, and Zach.

Are they filming that? I don't know because I don't think they've announced when. Yeah. Well, no, the season hasn't even aired yet, so they're not officially picked up for a four until, you know, whenever. So I don't know, but I mean, I'll be there. in a bridesma dress. And I don't know how I'm going to feel watching it. I know how I felt after hearing about all of the drama and things that happened,

Jeremiah came up to me at BravoCon. And Jeremiah is the producer on the valley. Yeah. Yeah, EP showrunner. But it was just like, so do you still think you made the right decision? Oh. And I looked at him and I said, Abso fucking Lutley. And I think he was shocked that I had that answer.

And he was like, wait, really? I'm like, do you want it to her? Do you want me to feel like, damn, I really missed out and I wish I did it. Well, yeah, they want you to want it, I would imagine. But I said, no, honestly, everything that I've heard, I am so grateful that I protected my peace and I built out friendships and relationships outside of this that have helped me protect my energy. And I was like, I'm still at BravoCon. I'm still Sheena Shea.

I'm still, you know, enjoying all of this. But, no, I'm actually really glad I didn't do it. And he was just like, oh. Well, it would be great, too, is if you repair relationships or even say, you know, the la la or whatever that it's done in your real life, not done for cameras, you know? Correct. But yeah, that is not going to be repaired because the year of the snake has been shed. And one thing I'm doing moving forward is not going back. I now really genuinely understand boundaries.

and me setting that boundary specifically, I feel at peace. I don't feel like I'm missing something. I feel like why didn't I do this sooner? Wow. Kiki. I think that all my questions have been answered. So, to wrap it up.

Reality check, Monday through Tuesday, 1 p.m. We got to traders coming up. To wrap things up, this week's Jack's Hole goes out. to the bloggers and social media accounts who have been spreading completely unfounded and insane conspiracy theories about the disappearance of

Savannah Guthrie's mother Nancy. The speculation and rumors circulating online are like not only false, but extremely hurtful. And we just want to take a moment to send love and support to Savannah and her family during this incredibly difficult time.

And we sincerely hope for Nancy's safe return home soon. My flowers of the week, do we have anyone that stands out who you would like to give some flowers to on shenanigans? My upcoming baby Romy would be great to have some flowers to her. Yes, and to Rebecca, for being a rock star, we're carrying Romaine. Well, you know what?

I mean, you just, to jump off what you just said of bloggers, you know, and I know we don't want to call Kiki a blogger because I realize I don't want Tony. Sensitive subject. But I will point out there's a difference in what Kiki presents as opposed to certain other people. And I, you know, sometimes I even just be like, what is the point here? You know, because it works, but it's like there is responsibility.

And, you know, I would argue that if you look at Kiki's post, there's always a responsibility to it. It's responsible. There's actual reporting. There is more journalistic standards, even when it's not meant to be journalism, than you see. And I think, as Lisa Barlow would say, is frustrating to me, is that. the ones that, you know, go crazy with conspiracy theories and stuff, that's the stuff that gets passed around. It's like we don't really ever truly learn our lessons. Like, even America's next top model. You know, it's like when you, you know, this was years ago when I feel like

you made a shift. Like, did you feel Kiki that you're like, I have a responsibility to do things in the correct way instead of, I heard this rumor on Reddit? No, and that's the thing. Like, I think a lot of people don't realize, like I went to school for journalism. So it's like I inherently I'm just never going to feel comfortable reporting on something that I haven't sourced and feel is accurate information. Even if I know something's truthful, like, obviously people were like asking me all fucking forever about Dorinda. And I'm like, I know the truth. But like this A isn't my information to tell. It's like until you have the ability to like green light and say, yeah.

So I already have that inherent in me. And yeah, I like to gossip. but like my gossip's always going to come from like a place of research and facts. And you are where I get all of my news from. So thank you. But I think that's just something that should be highlighted as opposed to, I mean, I see a lot of people that, you know, you want that to be just as successful, if not more successful. Yeah. So you can be a reliable narrator in this space as opposed to somebody that's a flash in the pan. Exactly. And if you guys need some more of your information, make sure to listen to Kiki Weekdays on Radio Andy.

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