Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Stealing Baby Names & Revealing Baywatch Flames

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Scheana and Kiki are back in the studio this week, sharing how they spent their Couchella & Easter weekends. They dive into sperm racing, surrogacy, prenups, spousal support, and wasting time & money on the wrong men. Who got custody of Coachella in the Scandoval split? How did Scheana accidentally clear out her following on FindMyFriends? What was Scottie Pippen doing at “The Valley” premiere? Plus, Scheana shares more details on the Baywatch of it all. Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Co-Host: @thetalkofshame BUY MY BOOK!!!MY GOOD SIDE is available for Pre-Order now at www.mygoodsidebook.com The video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, April 25th.Episode Sponsors:Sign up now and join the over 14 million all-time customers who have already saved and invested over $25 billion dollars with Acorns. Head to acorns.com/goodasgold or download the Acorns app to get started.Sip on the juicy side of life. Find out where you can try Simply Pop at cokeurl.com/simplyPOP.Shop a huge selection of outdoor furniture online. This summer, get outside with Wayfair. Head to Wayfair.com right now.Shop at REVOLVE.com/GOODASGOLD and use code GOODASGOLD for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartnerProduced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Because we're good as gold. Oh, and we are back for another week of shenanigans. I'm here in the studio today with my girl Kiki Monique, ready to Kiki. How was your Easter? I mean, it was chill. I was at home. I didn't really do anything. I was just like chilling. Did the Easter bunny come for you? No, no Easter bunny.

Just me and my kiddies. He forgot about you. What the hell? But I saw you were having a good time. We did. So Brock's mom got in on Saturday around like 6 p.m. and we planned to pick her up from the airport, but then her flight was a little delayed

and then it's like bedtime for summer. And I'm like How about we just get her an uber black and we have a car service, you know, pick her up curbside So we did that but then summer stayed awake. She had to see her grandma. We dyed eggs we decorated them and then she went to bed and the Easter bunny came and He left a trail of half-eaten carrots all around. Thank God there were no ants.

But Summer was like, Mommy, we have to leave a bucket outside so the Easter Bunny knows where to go. And then I want you, because I realized that when she got in bed, I was like, shit, we forgot to leave out carrots for the Easter Bunny. I opened the fridge. There's one, I don't even know where the hell this came from, probably our chef, one like regular sized carrot that was so like flimsy.

It looked like rubber. I was like, this is disgusting. Like I, someone is gonna need to take a bite out of it. You know? So I was like, we're not doing this. So I go upstairs because I'm like, I don't want my kid to wake up in the morning and be like, we forgot to leave carrots

and just have a whole meltdown. So I went upstairs because I'm like, I don't want my kid to wake up in the morning and be like, we forgot to leave Carrots, and just have a whole meltdown. So I went upstairs, so grandma was reading her books and I said, Summer, we forgot to leave Carrots out for the Easter bunny. Mommy's gonna go to the store. I'll leave them out for you, okay? It's like now pushing nine o'clock. Like I'm like, it's bedtime.

We're not going back down and doing this whole thing. And so she was like, okay, but mommy, we're gonna leave the basket outside and then I need you to do carrots in a line all the way to a circle and then put an egg in the middle. And then the Easter Bunny will know. And I'm like, oh my God, there's so many rules with this kid, right?

She's like, yeah, but then the Easter Bunny is gonna do this. And I'm like trying to remember, okay, the Easter Bunny does this, Easter Bunny does that. So in the morning she comes down, wakes up, it's Easter, so excited, so adorable. It's like the best part of holidays with a kid. It's the easiest day out of the year for me to get up.

School days, I'm like, you're telling me it's news, 10 more minutes, it's fine, but Easter, I'm like, and I'm up, okay. And so we go downstairs and she's like looking, and I go, that's what you told mommy to do, was leave a line. She goes, no, I said a line outside. And I'm like, Summer, no you didn't, okay?

And I'm like, I risked getting ants last night for you. Okay, thankfully we didn't. But I was like, well, it worked. Look at your Easter baskets in the circle where you wanted it. And it was the best. And then she found eggs around the house and... Is this a new thing?

Cause I don't remember leaving, I remember leaving cookies for Santa, but I don't remember leaving stuff for the Easter bunny. No, I just thought we were maybe supposed to. Okay. That was just like a me thing. It makes sense. Right.

And I'm like, wait, do we leave anything out for the Easter bunny? Because there's no like elf on the shelf for Easter bunny in the stores, is there? No, but there is Toy Story right now, which my daughter is obsessed with. And you know, every night when she goes to sleep, the toys come alive and do different things.

I'm like, this is elf on the shelf 365. And so this morning she wakes up and she's like, mommy, let's go see what my toys are up to. And I go, pretty sure they're up to the same thing they were last night. And she was, no, every night. And then Brock's like, I don't think it's every night. She was yes every night. I'm like not last night. They're still looking in the tree. I can promise you that. But this past week when Kevin and Lando are in the studio they work at the house often and so summer night like we went to the

grocery store. We went over to putt-Putt, and I texted Kevin, and I was like, hey, if you can go and, like, do something different with all of the Toy Story toys. And so when we got back, she's like, see? And now I'm like, I'm signing myself up for Elf on the Shelf 365. Yeah, for sure. Like, this is a lot to do with dolls.

I'm like, look, they were tired last night, OK? They were trying to climb this tree all of Easter. They didn't make it further. They're just still there. But it was fun. It was a good holiday with her. No, Easter is a fun holiday for Karen. Yeah, for sure. Brock got back. He was in Miami. He got back yesterday and he is just like dead from the waist down.

He did this crazy high rocks workout. It's like some circuit training thing. Oh, my God. His friends are all messaging me. They're like, why aren't you here? And I'm like, oh, it's Easter. Shoot. Missed the crazy workout. I don't think some circuit training thing. His friends are all messaging me. They're like, why aren't you here? And I'm like, oh, it's Easter. Miss the crazy workout. Oh my God. He's into that stuff. Yeah, no, he is. And then, oh, the bunny came to visit her yesterday because she goes, mommy, remember when the Easter bunny came to aunt D's house last year? And I'm like, how the hell do you remember that? It was literally a year ago.

And I'm like, yeah, that Easter bunny is in Palm Springs and that Easter bunny is a little creepy. And I thought this year, maybe that Easter bunny should kind of be onto. But since she's now expecting the Easter bunny at aunt D's Amazon, what's going to come in time, $30 for express shipping. The Easter Bunny showed up. OK, well, at least you found one. I was all, it's like, it's interesting kids in their memory,

because actually Andy was talking about it on radio. Andy today about he just took this Disney cruise, you know, with his kids and he's like, it was the best time. But like, are they going to remember this or am I going to be the only one that remembered? And I was thinking about that because I told her I went to Nickelodeon with Mai. And I was like, if we just reminded them every week, would they remember until the end of time? Like, remember when we went to...

Right. And I think that also, like with me vlogging, it helps her remember things. But when you talk about it often, like she remembers going to Holland last February, March. She remembers, you know, meeting her cousin Pellily because they've kept in touch. So I think they do remember certain things, but also my amazing Mormon mother-in-law was telling us about just her faith and the way that she was raised and how there's like a veil

that falls down. And that's why once it falls, it's like your memories and whatnot. And so she was like, you know, summer when she says, I remember being at the hospital with you, mommy. it's like your memories and whatnot. And so she was like, you know, summer when she says, I remember being at the hospital with you, mommy. She's like, she could remember if like the veil is still up or whatever. And I was like, oh, that's so cool. It was really cool. I feel like I have very vague memories. Like there's certain things that stand out,

but it's usually the traumatic things, right? Right. But the other stuff I'm kind of like, I kind of remember. Yeah. Or if your parents have told you that story so many times. Yeah. Like, oh no, I totally remember that. But I'm like, maybe I don't.

Yeah. And that's what's crazy too, when you think about at this age, like everything for summer, it's like those are memories that we're for sure, hopefully, gonna keep with us. But I don't remember shit from when I was three, four years old, maybe one tiny thing. And all of these experiences I've had with her over the last four years, I'm like, I truly hope you do remember this stuff.

And like, God forbid something happens to any of us in the immediate family, like, would she remember us? Well, someone actually called in and made a good suggestion to Andy, like, this is a good suggestion to Andy, like, this is a good time to print out those photos, because we don't do a lot of that. Like back when I was a kid, we had albums everywhere. You could look at them, but now everything's on a phone or whatever in a cloud.

So print stuff up, let her make a bulletin board in her room or something. I know we did just do the autograph book at Disneyland. And so we're printing out the photos for that. So she always has that. And then I did her baby book, but that only goes up to the first year and then there's a page for each birthday. But I'm like we do need to print out more photos. Yeah.

And just I mean we have the big canvases obviously hanging up in my house. But yeah people don't print them out anymore. And I love having my old photo albums to go back through. My dad still wants printed out. He literally called me this weekend. He was like, can you send me those photos you had on Watch What Happens Live and with you with Harvey Levin? Yeah.

He even wanted the picture of me, you and Scottie Pippen. Yes. He's like, I have a perfect place on the wall. Oh my god, I love that. So you're going to be hanging on my dad's wall and the dead. Like when I was going through photos for the book, I had just, I have a whole box of high

school childhood and it was so fun to go through just a box of photos. And I'm like, I want her to have that one day where she can just go back through and physically look, not just scroll back on mommy's Instagram. Yeah. I want to bring back these tactile memories. Like I want her to have a locker at school that she puts up things and yeah. Yeah. Speaking of schools, tours opened up this week and so we started signing up for, okay we're going to tour this school and whatnot. And then this morning we're at her school speaking

to the woman in charge and I was like, oh school tours. And she was like, no, it's too soon. And then I'm like, I thought I was doing a good job by being ahead of it. Now you're telling me it's too soon. And she's like, well, you might forget, you know what, school and this and that. I'm like, okay, well, I've already signed up. She goes, you cannot back out of that.

You are not canceling. You're gonna go, but don't sign up for anymore. And I'm like, I just can't do this school thing right. I thought you signed up years and I mean, my friends in New York are signing up, I swear, like a year in advance. So when we signed up for the tour for her preschool, and she was almost three, I thought we were so behind. And now I'm like, now I'm too ahead.

I can't keep up. But I'm like, whatever. I want to tour all of the schools. There are so many options. And also, I'm like, if I'm available for these few dates in the spring, I want to jump on it because my job is not consistent. I have no idea.

I could get cast on some competition series and be gone for 10, 20 days when it's all of the fall tours. So I'm like, I'm just going to do me now. I thought I was being proactive, but anyway. So I want to ask you about Coach. So I wanna ask you about Coachella because I know you have your Coachella coverage. I did Couchella for the first time this year and Brock and I are like, every weekend too,

we're gonna do Couchella because we're in VIP, we're watching the show, but we're so far back cause we like our space, you know? It's like, I'm not in the pit. Next year, a goal would be getting like artist pit passes to be really close for the good performances. But to be able to just sit in front of my giant TV and watch it back was so dope.

I'm like signing books, watching Gaga, and I'm like, this is great. Because wait, do you normally go both weekends? No, we never go weekend two. Unless I had like, this is great. Cause wait, do you normally go both weekends? No, we never go weekend two. Unless I had like a job or something, but weekend two is usually when we do summer's birthday party. But weekend two fell on Easter.

And then her actual birthday is on stage coach. So now her big party is the following week. Now we're going into May, and now it's kind of close to mom's birthday. But yeah. I can't imagine not doing any, I mean, I followed Coachella this year just because I was like being nosy and I was at home and like weekend one, it just, for me, that is my nightmare.

I know that I think it's like you're in Brock's love language festival. That is like my nightmare. I was like, if I met some guy on hand, he was like my love, yeah, I'd be like, no, we're never gonna like get along. But it was just funny to watch. Cause I hear now is like Weekend One, even with VIP, VIP has now become the new general admission.

And now the new VIP is like artist pass. I had artists. OK. And so it's like, but no one else did. Yeah. So wait. So did you have to go back down to VIP? So I had a friend, one of the dads from our school. He works in the music industry. And so he was back there. And so I went and like met up with him and then ran into Lance and Michael,

because all of our kids go to school together. So it was fun because we had a little parenting and it was at the same time as Cruz's birthday party. So in the parents group chat, we're like sending photos. We're like, who's having more fun? But Jasmine and Melissa had artist guest passes. So the first two days they were there. So I had them at least to go back with,

but they have the nicer bathrooms and all of that. But now I'm like, well, shit, I've been doing VIP this whole time. Now that I've done artists, like, how do you go back? No, that's the thing. So my friend Cici, she goes every year. She always gets VIP and this was the first year. Cici loves you?

Yeah, Cici. But she like always gets VIP and this was the first year. Does Cece love you? Yeah, Cece moved. But she like went this year and she was like, this is the first time like VIP was like sucked. She was just like, I'm so used to VIP. And now it just felt like I was general admission. She's like, so I guess what I have to upgrade now to artists in order to like have the VIP experience that I had and like, this is how it goes.

They're just going to create next level, next level. I know. And I'm just like, that is just so much. It was so fun though. Honestly, I think it was one of my favorite Coachella's, if not my favorite ever. I mean, Gaga, Night One. So I'm hung over.

It's rare I get hung over and it's even more rare I admit when I am. But that day I was like, y'all, the tequila shots, I was like, I can't do it. The amount of espresso martinis I had at Boulevard for the Valley premiere. How long did you stay? Because I don't even remember saying bye to people. All I know is I stumbled out

and Scottie Pippen said something to me like... Oh, yes, you were there at the end, because that's when we met him. Yeah, he was just like, something about me drinking too much. I can't remember exactly what he said, but I just stumbled out. Yeah, so I thought I had one espresso martini shot at the end of the night.

Brock said it was three. And I was like, well, that explains it. He left at like 5 a.m. for Palm Springs to finish some stuff with our turf. And I stayed back and packed the rest of our stuff, left at like 8 a.m. whatever. Drove by myself because I also left my Ford there now that I have my new car just leaving it there till we figured out. And so I stop in like Rancho Cucamonga. I said this last week. I was like shout out to Steph

at the whatever Starbucks. I stopped there and I was like she recognized me right away. I'm like okay I'm not gonna lie I'm really hungover. I need this, I recognized me right away. I'm like, okay, not gonna lie. I'm really hung over him. I need this. I need that. And so I finally get out there. And then when we get to the house, everyone's so pumped. It's day one. And I'm like, if it wasn't Gaga, I don't know.

I might skip night one, but getting there, feeling the way I felt it was. The most incredible headlining performance I've ever seen. And then the next day, I'm refreshed. We took electric bikes in. We stayed for Post Malone. We stayed until literally security was like, you got to go. Like, we're clearing this area out. And it was just so fun.

I felt like I let loose Saturday. We went to Zenyara literally until it ended. 4 15 a.m. We get a petty cab all the way back to the house. I thought they were banned this year. They were from the festival. Okay. But at Zenyara, there was one.

And I'm like, can you take us all the way home? Okay. And so we take that home, we get back. Everyone had just got back from Neon Carnival. We sat outside by the fireplace, literally until the sun came up. I love it. And I haven't done that since like the Tom Arreana Coachella days like a decade ago.

And I just didn't worry about anything. I know my kid is safe. She's with my parents. I'm just going to let loose and have fun. And I haven't done that at a Coachella in a really long time. I haven't done that since I've had a kid for sure. So it was like a really fun, stress-free weekend. When you guys were doing like back in the Tom and Ariana days,

when you guys were doing Coachella, like, were you guys doing the full VIP experience even then? Or was it more chill? Were you guys just like there for like the vibes? I think Tom and Ariana used to go GA. I never have gone GA. I always did VIP just because the entrance I prefer. But they always like to be in it.

Like in the, yeah, mix. And I like to kind of be back. And especially when I started going to Coachella, I think it was maybe season three or four, we are getting recognized. And I'm like, how are you guys not completely sober going through crowds of people in GA and taking photos? And, like, I just felt so paranoid back then

that I was like, no, I want to be in VIP and sunglasses on and, like, not get too fucked up. But this time I was like, eh. Do you know, like, did, like, in the split, like, did one of them get to, like, take Coachella? Like, you know, it's both of their things, but, like... I think Ariana, she's the queen of Coachella. So she's taking Coachella. All right, so Tom has not been back Yeah, he I don't think he was there this year. Okay, I don't know if he's gone back actually, okay

So I'm like, I don't know if he was there last year. He might have been okay I think some yeah, but yeah, so it was good. Actually. I ran into Ariana and Dan just ran I ran into almost everyone. I knew who was there. Okay, I ran into Ariana and Dan. I ran into almost everyone I knew who was there, just organically. Not looking at locations. Just like, oh my God, they're there. Speaking of locations, I was thinking about you this weekend because you know how you said, like, someone would get, you would get a notification if someone removed their, you know, find me from your... So I thought that was a thing.

So I had, like, a couple people share their locations. And like, there was only one person in there that I'm not friends with, but I was like happy to know where he was so that we never ran into each other in the city. And then the other day I went in and he was gone and I never got a notification. So I was really kind of shocked. I was like, how did that happen? So you don't get a notification.

It shows up in your text messages. And you know what's so weird is I don't know what happened that night that I stayed up till the sun came up at 4.09. I don't know if my phone died or when it came back, but look right here, every person I share location with, it said that I started sharing and they started sharing with me. Interesting. All like 65 people.

And I'm like, what happened with my phone at 4.09? I was not sober by any means, but I'm like, I didn't do anything that's weird But and so in all of my texts it says that with everyone my god, so you don't get like a notification But it it sometimes says right here stop sharing location with you that makes sense Since especially since I'm not texting with that person. I would have never opened that okay, hence why I Still have everyone's I don't want them to get that. But okay, so you were covering Coachella.

Yeah, I mean, I was just kind of like, I was more fascinated by the people who go camping. And I know that you don't have to go camping. I know that if I ever went for some reason, it would be like in a house or something. But the camping situation, I'm just like, I don't know how people live in their car for three days, go to those showers.

The line for the shower was like an hour long. Would you ever, I don't know how people live in their car for three days, go to those showers. The line for the shower was like an hour long. Would you ever, I don't even like getting behind someone in the shower when it's still like wet. Like if I can touch the shower curtain and it's still wet, that's gross to me. An hour worth of people who've been in the dust and the dirt and I'm going behind them, absolutely not. You have to have an RV at least like your own bathroom.

I've done that once at stage coach. We had a really nice RV and that was fun. It was my first Stagecoach ever and that was cool. But like we had our own shower and bathroom. It was only three of us. Weekend two though, it felt like to me, again, I could never, I don't think I could ever see myself at Coachella, but if I were, it felt like weekend two

was more my vibe just because people were just more chill. It was just not about like, like flaunting stuff. They were like, we're just here for the music. We're just here for the vibes. We're here. We're having fun. And I'm like, okay, everyone seems more chill. And they're in, they're into it. But then you could miss all of the special artists.

Cause then people were like leaving Charlie XCX early. Cause they were like last weekend she had like Lord, Billie Eilish, all these people. And they're like, we're paying the same amount of money and we get no special guests. But then Post Malone brought out so many people last night. Oh, really? He had, wait, was it Incubus?

Yeah. OK. Or Coldplay. I don't know. One of them. I'm like, which one? I'm trying to think of what songs I was signing as I was listening.

One of them. And then he brought out Jelly Roll. OK. He brought out Ed Sheeran. OK. I was like, wow, we didn't get any of them. But so, yeah. But he did it right. He was the last performance on the, but. Yeah. So yeah, but he did it right.

He was the last performance on the last night and it was so fun just to watch it back. I'm like sitting there till midnight. I think I only watched Gaga. I think I watched, like she's just so amazing. So I think for Halloween, and this came because I wanna do this for a caption, put your paws all over me.

Okay. And so I was like, what if for Halloween, Brock is a zombie, you know, a zombie boy. And I do one of Gaga's looks from Coachella. Like do like the horn thing or do like an SNL look or something. But I thought that could be a fun Halloween costume and then I can use that caption.

Do it. I love it. So we'll have to do the Galinda, Elphaba, Dorothy, Halloween costume and then I can use that caption. Do it. Yeah. I love it. So we'll have to do the Galinda, Elphaba, Dorothy, Wizard of Oz costumes with some of it. Because you do multiple changes. Yes. Okay.

But I'm like for the adult party that Brock and I do, I think that would be a fun time. Yeah. We'll see. Okay. We're going to take a quick little break and then we'll get back into some more of this. Today's episode is sponsored by Acorns. April is financial literacy month. That's right.

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you were saying the difference between weekend one and weekend two. Weekend one has the weirdos, right? OK, so this guy, we're all sitting, it's like me, Maddie, Joe from Southern Hospitality, a couple other friends, we're all sitting on the grass in the Rose Garden. And this guy comes up and is like trying to hit on all of us at once. And he's like talking to us. And then he looks at me and he was just like, you're weird. And I'm like, excuse me. I'm like, I and then I go into full like filming mode. And I'm like, I'm weird. You're the one who just came up to a bunch of strangers trying to and I'm like, excuse me. I'm like, I, and then I go into full like filming mode and I'm like, I'm weird. You're the one who just came up to a bunch of strangers trying to, and I'm like going off on this guy. And he goes, I met weirdly, awkwardly beautiful.

Like I've never, and I'm like, nice cover up. Then he walks over to me. He asks me for my Instagram and he goes, will you follow me back? And I'm like, I don't have service. Kisses me on my Instagram and he goes, will you follow me back? And I'm like, I don't have service. Kisses me on my head and then exits. And I'm like, what just happened? Where's Brock this all time?

He was getting drinks with the husband. Yeah, I think Joe, maybe it was just me, Maddie. I think it might've just been the girls and the boys were getting drinks, but it was just like, he came and like sat down with us and I'm like, do we look like we wanna talk to you? No. Like we're all in relationships.

Yeah, and also like doing the like elementary school, like I'm gonna be mean to you, so you like me thing. Like- But I was like, you're gonna call me weird? You're fucking weird. Like I went- He got the reaction he wanted probably. Like that was his thing.

That's his kink. No, literally. You know what else is kind of weird. And I know you love all things reality TV, but this week, I don't know if you've seen it yet. If not, I know you're gonna love it, but there's a new reality show with Little Caesars. So it's called Pretzel Crust Island.

Okay, what's this about? Have you had the pretzel crust pizza? No, but I would, this sounds delicious. It's what would you do for the pretzel crust pizza? Oh, okay. Yeah, so they, it's on the Little Caesar's YouTube channel, right? So basically they're taking pretzel crust super fans head to head for the greatest pizza in reality television.

So it's a single pretzel crust pizza. Like that is the prize. Okay. There's no money. There's no anything else. It's you're competing for this pizza because it's such a high demand. It's like bring it back.

You know, like people are crazy for it. You're crazy for crazy bread. But the pretzel crust pizza, the cheese. I mean, I will say anytime there's an offering that involves like a pretzel roll, a pretzel wrap. I don't even think I've ever had a pretzel crust, but I'm into it. So good.

I love pretzels. I love things stuffed in pretzels. I think I love things wrapped around pretzels. Yes. Like, I'm a pretzel girl. Yeah. No, I literally just had to get some of these pretzels with like sprinkles on them. Like, everything pretzels in our family,

pretzel bread is the first one I'm going to pick out of a basket. Yeah. Pretzel pizza, the crust. Yeah. To die for. So, basically, Pretzel Crust Island, it's inspired by the demands of real Little Caesars pizza fans

who claim that they would do anything crazy just for one slice of pizza. Some people have said, like, I would file for bankruptcy. I would skydive in a pretzel costume, like divorce your husband. I don't know, but people are saying that they would do crazy things for this pizza. I mean, I would do some fun things. I don't know if I would claim bankruptcy,

but I mean, I would never normally skydive, but willing, you know, in a pretzel costume, I might jump out of a plane. You know, why not? I mean, I think I would do a couple of wild things. Yeah. So this is literally like a put your money where your mouth is type of competition, or it's like, what would you do?

But also in the reality show aspect of it, it has everything you love about reality TV. So it's like love and loss, backstabbing, betrayal, twists and turns, like endless drama. There's so much in this show that you're gonna wanna watch it and talk about it. No, I love this because like, I find that like, you know, sometimes when you're watching reality TV,

you know, a lot of it can be sort of heavy or like a lot of fighting in that's like too serious. And I find that like, I like, I'm liking these reality shows where it's just silly fighting, where they're doing silly things, where they're trying to just like sabotage each other in like weird ways. So like this is actually totally the vibe I need.

Yeah. And you're like, how the hell are these things even real? Like people are really doing this and the challenges are very real because they're based on real fan tweets and comments demanding the pretzel crust return. So it's like, you said you would file for bankruptcy. Put your money where your mouth is.

I love that brands actually are like listening to the fans and they're engaging in this way of life. Because like also fans are, they sometimes have way better ideas than the brands do themselves. So now I'm really interested in like, what are they telling these other contestants? What are they willing to do for this Pretzelcrest? And we get to vote on the winner for the finale. So it's interactive, you know? We love to vote.

It is fun. And not to mention, but there's never been an elimination ceremony like the ones on Pretzelcrest Island. So yeah, I feel like it's love island chaos with survivor level backstabbing. So it's like, you get the best of both worlds. Like maybe there's a husband and a wife both competing. Only one of them is gonna win. There's only one winner. And hopefully survival level of starvation because like then what you're willing to do

for that pretzel crust pizza will get even more extreme. Yeah, no, it's gonna be so good. And you know, a soft pretzel crust and a cheddar cheese sauce base, like that is my stuff. But yeah, so I know you haven't seen it yet, but you can binge the reality show Pretzel Crust Island on Little Caesar's YouTube channel starting April 22nd. And so by the time this episode's out, you can already watch it.

Perfect. And we got to vote. Yes. We need to. But I do still wanna stick in reality TV though, because I just read that Caitlin Bristow recently called out her ex, Jason Tardick, who's both of them have been on this podcast,

I've always loved both of them. But he apparently used her dream baby name for his dog, his new dog. And she called his actions pathetic and mean, and I can't say I disagree. No, that is like petty. Yeah, he was being petty, Labelle, for that, for sure. Because I still hold, well, some grudges, when, look, I don't want to have kids,

but I do have names that I've picked out for kids. And like, if someone ever used it, I would be really upset. I was actually shocked, like Cameron from Southern Charm. Like I always said, if I had a daughter, I'd want to name her Palmer. And when she had a daughter, I didn't, I've never heard anyone naming their daughter Palmer. And she named her daughter and I was like, I literally DMed her and I was like, not mad, but just really random.

Yeah. That it came up. Where did it come from? Yeah, I was like, I don't know how you came up with it, but I just made it up, but okay. Yeah, I mean, I think it is really petty. I don't think she cheated on him or did him wrong, that he's like, I'm gonna take your name and name it after my dog.

Yeah, so mean, so mean. Around Scandival times, we knew that there was a name that Sandival always wanted for a boy. And when, you know, Ariana froze her eggs and went out, but she's like, we're never having a boy. Like if we have a kid, it's gonna be a girl.

And I'm like, well, that name could work for either. She's like, we're not naming our kid that. Lala was so shady. She went on like an Amazon live or Instagram story, something, and she's like, so, you know, for my next baby, here's some names I was thinking of and said the name that Sandoval always wanted. She's like, I'm gonna publicly claim this name first.

Oh my God. And she also has a tattoo of that like name, but like in a different form. And so people, you know, believed her, but she just did it to be petty. And I loved it. In that moment, I was like, that was good. Did Tom say anything to her?

I don't even know if he saw it or whatever. I just thought it was so funny. Yeah, I mean, baby names are sacred. I mean, it's like you have to like, that's why I feel like when you're a celebrity, it's like you have to like get everything lined up. You have to like buy the website name or the up. You have to buy the website name or the handle. You have to get the Instagram handle.

You have to get everything set up. I didn't know that because Summer Moon is a coffee shop in Austin, Texas. Okay. So Summer Moon, like everything, I was like, damn, I might have to buy a franchise or something. Get any rights to the name. Well, I think, like, didn't Bey Beyonce just get like, I felt like she got trademark

blue Ivy or something like that. Like she just got that trademark to that, I believe, or something. So, you know. Yeah, I had no idea about this coffee shop until like two years ago. And then I was like, oh, didn't know that when I named her Summer Moon. But Summer is still a unique enough name. I've only met a few others and like, I was like, there's no one Summer Moon.

No, just coffee shops all over Texas. Yeah, most popular coffee shop in Texas. Literally, we have so much merch now though from them. But okay, still sticking with the Bachelor, Bachelorette franchise. Did you see Rachel Lindsay's recent interview that she did where she was talking about her ex Brian and the spousal support and him abusing the system and all of that? I've heard clips of it.

I haven't heard the whole podcast, but I've seen clips. Okay, so he claimed he's entitled to it because he quit working in order to move to LA and support her career despite being licensed in his field to work in many states and he had you know a platform now that he could monetize from so she said in the interview that they first moved to Dallas because he quit his job to go on the show and they had to move to Dallas because that's where she had a job and she was the only one with a job they then moved to Miami where she too gave up her job and then to LA for a job. They then moved to Miami where she too gave up her job

and then to LA for better career opportunities. And they moved to LA together. They wanted to be here together. They both decided that together. So it's like, do we think she should be paying him spousal support? Absolutely not. Like when I listened to her explanation,

it was like clear that, yeah, she gave up everything. They went to Florida for him to do his career. And obviously she became the breadwinner. And so they both moved to LA. But that didn't stop him from also getting a job here. It reminds me of Halle Berry. Like, she's paying so many men so much money. It makes me, like, sick.

That's wild. Like, go. You guys are able-bodied men. Go get a job and stop, like, oh, it makes me angry. Yeah, I mean, I, it's something I do talk about in my book, but it was also public knowledge. I mean, I gave Shay half when we got divorced because I didn't want to have to do spousal support

and all of that. And we did not have a prenup because I didn't believe in it. I believed in forever. And I remember this was what bit me in the ass. Like when Katie and Schwartz were getting their prenup, I was so judgy and I'm just like, wow, like you don't believe in forever. Like you're getting a prenup.

Get a prenup, everyone get a prenup. It's just, you never know. You never know. I'm surprised like Lisa Vanderpump wasn't like saying like, it's a good idea to get a prenup like darling. No one even talked to me about it. I didn't even really know much about prenups then. I just was like, this is my best friend.

This is my forever. And then when shit hit the fan, I was like, okay, well, this marriage needs to end as quick as possible so we can go our separate ways. Cause I know for a fact, this isn't gonna continue. We've got a hundred thousand in the bank account, like in my business account. How about I split that with you? Will you take it and then not do spousal support?

I don't even know the difference between spousal support and alimony. Um, I think it's kind of the same, isn't it? I think it's kind of the same. I don't know. I mean, it's easy when you don't have kids in a house and cars and all of that stuff to try and figure out, it was just like, here's 50 grand by Friday, seven papers, but isn't Rachel a lawyer? I don't know. Is she? Yeah. kids in a house and cars and all of that stuff to try and figure out. It was just like, here's 50 grand by Friday, seven papers. But isn't Rachel a lawyer?

I don't know. Is she? Yeah. OK. So like, why as a lawyer, did you not get a prenup? Yeah, I'm really shocked by that. Yeah. I mean, I'm shocked by that. I cannot recommend it enough. And it's like, I feel bad that now in my marriage to Brock, he's having to deal with things from my past relationships and marriages that I'm like, well, you may never do, but I don't know. Never know.

So I'm like, I am fully protected. If anything does hit the fan, and hopefully it never does, and we never need to look at it. Honestly, don't even know where it is. I hope my business manager has a copy of it somewhere. And you shouldn't feel bad for that. Like, that's just just a normal situation. Whenever I see, I'll be watching 90 Day Fiance

and these women will get all up in arms when they're asked to sign a prenup. I'm like, that's just a normal adult thing to do. And if you're getting angry, we need to actually reevaluate whether I need to be married to you because this is just being responsible adulting. Yeah, it really is.

And now I have eaten my words. I will never judge anyone for anything like that. There's also so many things that it's so funny that when you don't have kids, you look at someone else, you know, with their kids, you're like, oh my God, I would never do that. The amount of times I've eaten my words and just been like, Sheena,

you cannot judge anything of anything, like the other day, for example, we're going to Chili's for dinner. Do I really care what she wears? No, but I always have her matching or hair fixed and whatnot, that day I'm like, I'm not redoing your hair. The nanny did it that day, it's fine. But then I was like, well, we do need to get out

of our gymnastics clothes or jujitsu, whatever it was that day and change. And she's going through a closet and she sees this cute dress that has like baseballs on it. She's like, I want to wear this. I'm like, okay, it's blue, red and white. So I'll get some white leggings to match it. And she goes, no mommy, I want these ones. And she picks the like pastel colored tie dye leggings. I'm like, okay, what shoes are we going to do with that? And I'm like, the choice.

And you know what? It's fine. My mother never let? And I'm like, the choice. And you know what? It's fine. My mother never let me go out of the house like that. And you know, I mean, I always looked perfectly put together, but it's okay. But I remember, you know, five years ago, I'd see a kid in like mismatched clothes with messy hair. And I'm like, oh God, you let them go out

of the house like that? My mom would never. And now I'm like, now I have the kid with the mismatched clothes and the messy hair. So just don't judge other parents is my other piece of advice and get a pre-nup. Get a pre-nup, don't judge. I love it.

Because also another story I read on this same theme, it was on people.com. A woman had posted to this UK based community site called Mumsnet that her ex-boyfriend of seven years was asking her to pay him $25,000 for his contributions this UK based community site called Mumsnet that her ex boyfriend of seven years was asking her to pay him $25,000 for his contributions to rent and household expenses over the time they were together.

When they first met, he had a five figure debt, but eventually got a degree and now has a successful career. He had contributed to rent and expenses over the years. And she also notes that during the relationship, he inherited around 25K that he spent on vacation for himself. So, like, should she even pay him anything? And if so, what would you pay? Because he wants his money back from what he contributed.

Yeah. Yeah. But like, you lived there. You took the electricity. You took baths. Like, so why would I give you money back? Like, you would have had to pay this if you were living by yourself. Like, it doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't give him a dime. Absolutely not.

I'm not going to say which Valley divorce, but I see some similarities here with one of my girlfriends having to go through with the ex nitpicking, being like, well, four years ago when we had this, you were a part of it. And so now we have to split. I'm like, he, four years ago when we had this, you were a part of it. And so now we have to split. I'm like, he's a nightmare.

I'm so sorry you have to deal with him. It's so hard because like, especially like when you see relationships like, or when you're in a relationship, sometimes one person is like, you pay off one person's debt or you like do these things. Like you go back and forth. Like it's so hard.

I mean, when I think about like, I mean, I paid for an ex's entire new mouth, all his teeth and like, I'm not, I'm not enjoying those teeth. No, no. The amount of shit I paid for, for men who weren't even my boyfriend. Like Adam, spot, penguin. Oh, I used to pay his rent. What?

Because he was like, I'm gonna have to leave LA. I can't afford to stay here anymore and I'm making that season seven money. It was great. And I was like, I got you, boo. How many months did you pay his rent? I don't know. I don't want to think about the thousands of dollars I gave him that he said one day he'd give me back.

Have you ever bought someone like a car? Yes, but not someone I'm dating. My parents. Okay. I've bought both of them a car. That's fine. Like, no, that's normal. Yeah.

And everyone who thinks I bought Brock his Dodge, that was not me. Clifford, the big red Dodge, that he got all on his own. I've not contributed one thing to that other than enjoying being the passenger princess. Yeah. But I saw online people like, wow, Sheena buy you a car and then I get my new car and I'm like, we're not that rich.

We're not just like buying new cars. Okay. I got a lease. He's an ambassador. Yeah. Just to set the record straight. Okay. I do have a lot more topics, but let's take a break and then I want to figure out what

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U.S. And they said that it's raised 1.5 million dollars because they're gonna stage this big event at the Hollywood Palladium on April 25th so wait this week and Eric Zhu is the company's 17 year old co-founder and he said that the inaugural event would pit samples taken from two healthy young university students against each other on a racetrack, which is 20 centimeters or about eight inches long, and modeled on the female reproductive system. Like whose sperm can get there faster and better? Okay. But according to a 2022 study published in the Human Reproduction Update Journal, male sperm counts have declined by more than 50%

in the past five decades. And their goal here is to raise awareness about male fertility, turning it into a healthy competition. Okay, so this is like the new version of, what's that like no-shave November or mustache November or whatever this is? Right, yes, no-shave November.

Yeah, they're probably trying to make a new sperm September or something or whatever. Right. Like they're trying to what? Yes, no-shave November. Yeah, they're probably trying to make a new sperm September or something or whatever. Right. OK, so they, but I have questions around logistics. Like how are we watching this race? Like is there a microscope? Is it, I guess it's like gonna be blasted on a giant TV and we're gonna just see sperm racing.

I mean, it's interesting. Like human anatomy class, but. Better than my human anatomy class. I feel like I will have sex ed and I knew nothing about sex. All my sex I learned about on HBO, honestly. Like, real sex. Like, I learned more sex there, really. Right. We had... I remember when I was a kid, there was the Playboy Channel.

And like, when the parents, you know, they go to sleep, I'm like, sneak downstairs and I'm like, what's on the Playboy Channel? I had no idea I'm like watching porn as a kid. I'm like, wow, it always ends with them naked. Crazy. No, I was literally, I think like even up to a few years ago, I was like, I don't really know how babies are born.

Like I understand the concept, but I was like, the sperm goes into the egg and then the egg travels along the fallopian tube. And then it, I was like, I actually don't know. I didn't know that I didn't have a placenta until I was pregnant. I just assumed't know. I didn't know that I didn't have a placenta until I was pregnant. I just assumed that, you know, as women, we have ovaries, uterus, placenta, all the things.

No, your body grows a placenta when you're pregnant. It grows a whole organ. And that's what was poisoning me and gave me the help syndrome. They couldn't save any of the, they saved the stem cells, but I couldn't encapsulate it. It was a whole thing, but I'm like, wait, I don't have a placenta on the tip.

I know, well, it's like they, yeah, they don't really want to teach us any actual, like in school, let me, I want to know how I get pregnant. I want to know how to do taxes. Can I learn these two things? Right, and like they should have a class on tipping etiquette, you know, especially in America. But back to the sperm, it's a surprising biomarker.

So in that the healthier you are, the faster your sperm moves. Okay, that makes sense. So I also understand this because right now we're kind of in the process where Brock just got his sperm tested and the doctor was like, no saunas, no cold plunges, none of this, don't smoke weed, blah, blah, blah.

Of course, does he listen to the doctor? Absolutely not. No. So he goes in, gets his sperm tested. Oh, top notch, perfect. The doctor's like, whatever you're doing, blah, blah. Of course, does he listen to the doctor? Absolutely not. No. So he goes in, gets his sperm tested. Oh, top notch, perfect. The doctor's like, whatever you're doing, keep it up. And I'm like, well, he's not doing what he's supposed to do. But then going back to something I talked about on the podcast like a month ago,

that sperm can be, you know, like what dictates if you have a miscarriage or a healthy pregnancy and things can all go back to the sperm. It's always put on the woman, but no, it can be the sperm. So I'm like, regardless, honey, when we go to fertilize these eggs, I think we're probably gonna wait until the summer because it's like, got stagecoach,

we got my birthday, his birthday. After that, let's do a full cleanse. Maybe July or August, you know, I'm gonna be on book tour then, like I'm not gonna be partying. So I think around then would be a good time. But I'm like, I want your sperm to be the best possible because we did have a miscarriage first, you know?

And like, it was your fault. Yeah, exactly, them sperms, get them sperms clean. But it's like, okay, as silly as it sounds when you read the headline, you know, the sperm racing, I think the mission here is actually really interesting because this is something that we've talked about on the podcast, but with fertility and infertility, the onus is disproportionately put on the woman.

And when a couple has trouble conceiving, the question becomes, well, like, why can't she get pregnant? And it's like, you know, the miscarriage, it was like, well, what did she do wrong? And it's always on the woman. But, you know, maybe these declining sperm counts have something to do with it. And if there's a new focus on putting men to prioritize their health so that they can win sperm racing competitions, you know, by all means, race away, swim to the fake uterus. Yeah, no, and it's surprising

because like all of our entire medical industry, all the studies, they're always based on men, specifically white men, right? But it's like, when it comes to that where it's like, oh, well, not if it's gonna be like, we're the issue. We're not gonna study that. We're gonna blame it on the woman. It's like, please.

Yeah, right. Okay, still staying on the topic of sperm, I read this story. There's this Spanish actress, Ana Obregon. I don't know how to say her name exactly, but she used her son, who had passed away, used her son's sperm and a donor embryo to birth a grandchild, who she also named Ana. Mm.

Tragically, her son, whose great uncle on his father's side was King Juan Carlos, passed away from Ewing Sarcoma in 2022 at the young age of 27. Oh, wow. And he had frozen his sperm two years prior, and his mother did this to fulfill his final wish, which was to produce offspring. So I wanna know what are your thoughts on that? If this is what his wishes were, but how do you feel about that?

Well, now that you say that his grandfather, whoever was King Juan Carlos, it makes sense because people who have this lineage wanna carry it on. So in that respect, I understand why she would do it. Plus, I do think she did want a grandchild. Now giving birth to your own grandchild, that is very interesting. But I just, again, I think a lot of these

really high up lineage bloodlines, they just want to keep it going on. That's what they do. Yeah. And to add an additional layer of controversy here, the arrival of Ana's granddaughter caused a stir in Spain as surrogacy is illegal there. Really? So where'd she do it?

She went to, like, another country? In the U.S. So it's legal to adopt a child who was born abroad. So the baby was born via surrogate here. And then Ana legally adopted her biological granddaughter as her daughter. Wow. I mean, there's so many questions. Like I know with surrogacy, like you sign contracts and all of that. But again, like if I was the donor egg and like then I was kind of like,

oh, these people are rich or like, you know, maybe I want to start claiming rights on this child because they have mine mine and I wanna get, you know, I wanna be a countess. Yeah. Right? So there's been like all of this criticism she's gotten and also from like governmental leaders saying that surrogacy is a form of violence against women,

that women's bodies should neither be bought nor rented to satisfy anyone's desires. And like, I understand those concerns to protect women. And that's why surrogacy is something that should be regulated, you know, to ensure that women aren't being forced or pressured into surrogacy. Like, you know, and like the Handmaid's Tale and stuff. But surrogacy has also allowed for many children and families to be born that wouldn't have been normally.

That's what we're going to have to do if we want another child. Like that's the only option or adoption, of course. But if we want another biological child, I can't risk my own life. Yeah. You know, there's infertile parents, there's gay couples, there's people who desperately want to be a parent and don't have the ability to birth a baby themselves who are gonna be incredible parents and give this baby so much love. So it's tough because it's like.

I mean, but is it, I mean, at the end of the day, if there's people that are willing to do it, then they should be like, what's the difference? There are people who sell their breast milk because some people can't produce breast milk. What's wrong with that? But they wanna breastfeed or at least give their kids that breast milk.

So it's like, it's no different. Like, you know, if there are people who are willing and able, then they should be allowed to do whatever they want. Yeah, I think so too. It is just like a tough pill for me to swallow that someone else is gonna have their energy going into our baby, because I really believe in that.

And I felt like my whole pregnancy was summer. We were in San Diego. We did a sunset beach walk every day. Like I had so much peace during that time. Granted, we were in a pandemic, but I didn't really see that many people. I just kept my baby safe and it was so peaceful that I'm like, I gave her so much good energy.

I did acupuncture twice a week. I worked out until I was 39 weeks. Like I did all of the things that I'm like, if I, a friend of mine who had offered to be our surrogate when we talked about this a couple of years ago, is now pregnant again with her third child. And I'm like, oh no, she's gonna wanna get pregnant again a fourth time.

But also I just, like, okay, so I go and find a stranger, you know, like maybe I could get one of the Mormon wives. Yeah, no, you should. I mean, they're very fertile. No, I get that. I like I definitely, you know, they talk about that on The Real Housewives of Atlanta, you know, Shemia, she has to go through. And it's like, you know, her daughter is now special needs and the surrogate talks about she feels a bit guilt. Right. You know, because there's pressure on both sides because you want to be hovering over the surrogate talks about, she feels a bit of guilt, right? You know, because there's pressure on both sides because you want to be hovering over the surrogate, but the surrogate is also worried about like, I want to make the perfect baby because I don't want to, like, it's a lot of pressure.

And for someone like you, I know, like, I can't imagine like hands off. And also I thought I read somewhere, I don't know if this works the same with surrogacy, but like when you make a baby, when the guy's sperm is in you and then you have a baby his DNA lives inside you Forever as like right and like that's also kind of wild Yeah

And just things with you know, like any baby that you've carried like even if it's a baby that you miscarried If a woman aborted a baby, there's still cells that live in your body Forever like there's still like that live in your body forever. Like there's still like that connection. So now someone else is gonna have like my baby cells in them. I just haven't come fully around to it yet. We're in the in-between process where it's like, okay, are we gonna make embryos soon?

And I'm like, let's just, let's give it a few more months. Give me a little bit more time. But that's one thing that I wish Khloe Kardashian and I were homies. And I could just text her and be like, tell me everything. Because I feel so similar to her journey that I'm not even on yet where she had a surrogate and struggled with connecting with the baby. And I'm like, I feel like her personality is similar to mine and with the OCD and stuff and just the letting go of control, having someone else do this, that I just,

I really want to know firsthand from someone who carried a baby themselves, birthed them, breastfed them, and then had a surrogate. Like, what was that like for you? OK. But Chloe called me. Somebody clip this and send it to Chloe. Yes, exactly.

She didn't need to talk to you immediately. Seriously. But I'm like, oh, a conversation with someone like her, just about that. I don't want to talk to you immediately. Seriously. But I'm like, a conversation with someone like her. Yeah. Just about that. I don't I don't want to talk about anything else. Like, I just want to like have a mom conversation with Khloe Kardashian. Yeah, because she was even honest about the fact that, like, you know, he then I think cheated again while and then nobody knew that

this other baby was coming. So then she felt this like she wanted to be so connected to her son. But there was this disconnect because of him, like, you know. Oh, yeah. Sending her love always. She is so strong. She is such a role model and yeah.

But speaking of people who are not role models, let's give a Jack's Hole. Who should we give it to? Should we, you know what? I'm always shocked. I'm like, who is it gonna be this week? You've seen episode two, right? Oh yeah, the valley, yes.

Okay, so I think this is the only part I'm probably gonna be in for several more weeks because I was traveling during Janet's birthday party and then they took a trip to Santa Barbara and whatnot, so I don't think I'll be on it for a few weeks. But this week you have my phone call on with Jesse. And I think I'm just gonna make Jesse and his girlfriend the jacks hole collectively because for her to be at a kid's birthday party bragging to me about how she is sleeping with the

dude from Baywatch telling me about all the actors. Oh was that a kid's birthday party? Yes our mutual friend. Okay friend at a birthday party. There's an open bar. She has a few too many and is being very open with me. Well, Jesse is kind of within an earshot, but I'm like, why are you telling this to me? Like someone in the friend group who's friends very closely with his ex-wife.

So of course immediately, and I'm enjoying the open bar myself. So I'm texting Brock and I was like, oh my God, she just told me, he's like, why are you sending this to me? I go, because I don't want to forget tomorrow because when I drink, sometimes I wake up the next day and I'm like, what did I say?

I'm like, so I'm sending this. I'm like texting Michelle and I was like, I can't believe she's saying this to me. And other people heard it. It was not a one-on-one conversation. So I thought that was really weird. And she's like, he's not my boyfriend. And she said this to multiple people. Oh, God.

So, like, the fact that they're still together, I think, I don't know, maybe. I think they're... I think so. When I saw him at the premiere party, he said they were still together. She just wasn't at the party. He said, yeah. Of course. But I think just collectively, they're Jack's holes because... Well, you could tell he was, like, you could see in that scene he was hurt.

And I actually, I genuinely felt bad because it was like him finding out that information for the first time and I even apologized. I was like, I'm sorry. It just, it was awkward. And I... Because he really likes her. I mean, like every time I hear him talking about her... Does he like her?

Does he like her lifestyle? Oh, I don't know her lifestyle. Well, she's got a very rich ex-husband who... She has that lifestyle. Interesting. Okay. Anyway. Yeah, after watching that, I'm just like, it's gonna be too easy weekly to make the men of the Valley Jacks holes. Okay.

But I don't wanna keep lumping them all in together. We'll give them each their own week. All right. So this collectively, it's the couple.. All right. So collectively, it's the couple. The couple. Collectively, it's the couple. But thank you so much for getting into Shenanigans with me again. Always love having you here. Reality Checked at Talk of Shame. Check her out and we'll see you next week. Bye.

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