Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Was I Catfished by a Heisman Winner?

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

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It's all for you, baby. Thanks for listening. Love you, mean it. From Vanderpump rules to motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle, it's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Sheena Shay. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Hello everyone and welcome back to another week of Shenanigans. We've got Kiki and Jared back for a segment today and then you all sent through a bunch of prompts for me

to try and defend. I might've opened up a can of worms on that one, but we're gonna get into it. But first, I saw your content about the alleged catfishing saga with Tommy Lee's wife, Brittany. The story's wild, but can you catch us all up on what the fuck is going on here? Basically, Brittany Ferlin, who is Tommy Lee's wife,

had been messaging with a guy that she believed to be Ronnie Radke, who I didn't know who Ronnie Radke was. But he related to Carl. No, I did discover that they're not related. OK, but he is in a band. I think it's called like Falling in Reverse or something. He's an emo guy. Not just so.

Emo. Emo. And she had been messaging with someone on Snapchat that she believed to be him to the point where she was showing up at the house. The guy was like, oh, meet me at my house. And she'd be like, I'm here. And like nobody would show up.

And it was like, whatever. It basically got all blown up. We find out that Tommy Lee and Brittany have split, right? And the story is, is it had to do with his drinking, but then it all comes out where it's like, no, it's because she got catfished. And I think, you know, and so now Brittany is like living in like a hotel

and she did this whole video to explain like why she doesn't believe she was catfished and why she believes Ronnie was behind the Snapchat, which sends Ronnie to a crazy place, because now he is like, no, I'm going to prove to you why, like I was not the catfish and you're just embarrassed trying to save face because the reality is you were kind of doing shady stuff behind your husband's back. And now in order to save face, you don't want to be doubly embarrassed

by the fact that you were catfish, because let's be real, like all of our greatest fears ever being called a boomer, like doesn't matter what age you are, but when you do boomer like activities like getting catfish, you're like, it's embarrassing. And for someone who was like a Vine superstar, very commonly getting catfish, mortifying. Wow. So this is where we are. So Ronnie has been basically trolling Brittany online with all of these videos. And like he's hard from what I hear about. Look, Ronnie is not the best guy. From what I hear, he's not.

Where does he where does he come from? Well, that's the thing. His history. He used to date Jen and King from Southern Charm season one. And he apparently was some point was in prison around evolving some murder. I don't know, but he was in prison at some point. He was he's now just a rock star. He was dating, you know, Soraya. She used to go by age. OK, she used to date her for a long time.

They just broke up. So like he's you know, he's out there. Yeah, he's not the greatest guy. But at the end of the day, like I'm taking his side on this one because he seems to have all the receipts to prove, like, this was not my account. And Brittany, just admit you got catfishing, you were doing this. And I think Tommy Lee at the end of the day is also probably embarrassed because he's just like,

why is my girl even on Snapchat entertaining these things? I'm fucking Tommy Lee. And we know what his dick looks like. So... Yeah, that's true. So fuck around with that one. You don't want to, like, lose that. Oh, my gosh. So do they think it might true. So fuck around with that one. You don't wanna like lose that. Oh my gosh. So do they think it might just be like a kid catfishing her?

Like some middle school, like also do we still use, you use Snapchat. I use Snapchat. Yeah, but not to like catfish people. No, not to catfish people. So do we have like a inkling of, is this like a 13 year old kid who's just like obsessed with Britney for her life?

Well, this is what we need to get to the bottom of because also other women have come forward and said like, I fell for this account too. And he had me show up. If this guy is actually luring women away, that's actually like crazy. And we do want to get behind like who is it? Because I did go through the, could this have been one of Ronnie's friends? Right. Like I've, I've seen people in the industry who like are close with people.

They know enough about them, have started catfishing other people because they know enough information. I do that with Sheena all the time. But if this is just some random stranger, like, we need to, like, that's totally creepy. That's creepy as hell. But also, like, yeah, like, for even her to, like, even... Who was someone with her when she showed up? I don't know, the whole thing is just...

That's wild. Falling prey to that is crazy. That is crazy work. That is absolutely crazy. With AI and everything, I understand, it can get harder and harder, but this was a situation where you can go to his Instagram, you could see the videos that were on there

were being uploaded to Snapchat as the same videos. It wasn't anything, because I'd be like, if I'm famous enough, I'm gonna be like, let's FaceTime, let's call my phone. Especially if I'm gonna show up to your house. I better have your phone number to FaceTime you. And nowadays, yes, totally. OK, I'm going to tell you a story.

I'm not going to. I don't want to say who, because I don't want to put him on blast. Because it's in the book. No, it's actually not in the book. And this is actually something I've never admitted to. I do think maybe, maybe not. I was catfished by a professional football player back in 2009. Really? A Heisman Trophy winner who had just graduated college and was like first round pick the NFL draft, okay?

So we met through Twitter, but through that, there was another person who he had graduated with who was playing for the Eagles. Who I would, and it was his verified account, who I would talk to on Twitter. We had a mutual friend in the state that this person had graduated from. So there were some connections. It got to, and there's no iPhones.

2009, I don't have an iPhone. I think I have a Blackberry or whatever still. But we would talk all of the time. He would call me on the phone and his voice, I would then go and compare with interviews that he did. And I'm like, no, that's him. But he didn't live in California. So we were just talking all of the time,

would text, talk on the phone. But then it was like, oh, I wanna like see your face. Can we do like a video call? And whatever was the Zoom before Zoom and FaceTime, I remember doing that one time and his camera was broken. See, no. Every time. Every time.

However, when I tell you who this person is, it kind of made sense. Okay. So I was like, okay, maybe he's worried that I'm going to record something and I'll just say this is like a very Christian person. Okay. So I was like, it makes sense that maybe he's worried I might, you know, and then like put something out there.

I don't know. But it got to the point, I'm single as fuck in 2009. I'm doing whatever I'm doing. When I talked to him, I talked to him, I was just like, oh cool, so and so. But again, came from their verified Twitter account. I even checked the phone number and like traced that to the city in the state that he was from.

And like, we were like really investigating. I never showed up to meet this person. There was one time where I think he was supposed to be in LA for something, but then I was maybe in Texas with my family and we just, we never met in person. But I'm like... And this is pre-fame for you, right?

2009, pre-... Yeah, this is like maybe like John Mayer days, like a little bit after that, but pre anything. Your body was a wonder, like, I got it. Yes. And so, I mean, I would talk to him all the time, but I always was wondering, like, am I getting catfished? Like, is this really him? And eventually I just stopped talking to him

because I'm like, if we're never going to meet up in person and you're not even going to turn your video on, your camera's broken. Did you send nudes? I'm like if we're never gonna meet up in person and you're not even gonna turn your like video on your cameras broken Did you send nudes? I do think I maybe showed a boob on one of the things, you know, I'm like whatever I'm like 22 23 and then I'm like turn your camera on like I want to see you but that sounds like it was one of the friends who might have been running the account because like I do like if he if He had access to the verified Twitter back. Then you couldn't get verified unless you really were the person Yeah, I remember like seeing an interview with like his brother and I was like, oh my god

Is it the brother like the voices are kind of similar and it freaked me out that I was like I'm never talking to this person again Like I just I stopped talking to him think nothing ever happened other than like maybe I showed a boob on it Yeah, I love it. Just a single boob. I showed one boob. You get a little bit. You see me in person. You get both. But then get this about maybe 10 years ago, now that I am somebody in this industry,

Sheena Shay is a person on TV. I'm at Jingle Ball in New York at Madison Square Garden and that football player is there. And I'm like, Oh my God. Oh my God. Like, do I say something like, was it really him? And they're not like, and he just kept looking at me all night. And it was so awkward that I'm like, are you looking at me because you know, it's me and you used to talk to me and now you're like, oh shit Now she's somebody Or but I just decided to not say anything to him because I'm like, I don't know if the people he's with that's like His girlfriend or I just let it go. I would have had to I think

I think at the time I was either When I ran into him, I was very much in a relationship whether it was Shay or Rob I don't know. It was sometime in the last 10 years, whenever I think Taylor Swift performed at Jingle Ball. But he was there and kept staring at me, and I was just like, ew, it gave me the creepiest vibes, because I'm like, if it was you, you were weird. And if it wasn't you, it just...

You gotta tighten up the team. Because, yeah, I think even if it wasn't him, he probably knew, because again, he had access to those accounts to know, so maybe he was okay with, like, his brother doing that or whatever, and who knows, and it's even weirder. And the people, like, the Mormons, to tie it in that we were just talking about,

you know, who are very devout in their faith at a young age and through college, and then, you know, you get a huge NFL contract offer and you're, like, being sent out into the world for the first time. They do do things that are not really approved of by the church. So I'm like, I don't know. I want no part of this. He does not play in the NFL anymore. So thankfully I don't have to see him on my TV,

but it's fucking weird. We'll never know. Oh my God. Because even if I did meet him or went up to him that day, he could have been like, no, that wasn't me because he was embarrassed. Maybe. Exactly. So I'm like, I'll never truly know. Yeah. Well, maybe I'll hear this and then maybe I'll find the truth. The truth will come out. I need to repent.

Anyways, was I catfished? Was I not? We'll never know. We'll never know. But only the Heisman Trophy winner. And it started out, I think it was his friend had slid into my DMs first. And I know I was really talking to his friend and then he swooped in or his brother or friend. I don't fucking know. Weird. Anyway, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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Hulu gets real. Right. And we are back. Anyway. Well, speaking of never knowing the truth, I saw this TikTok where this girl was like, you know, send me your craziest Vanderpump Rules conspiracy theories,

like things that like, I'm just are out there. And I was like reading through the comment section and I was like, okay, I kind of want to say these to Sheena and like, I want to see her face to see how she reacts to see if there's like any truth to any of these. How's my bowtots? Activated. Okay, to any of these conspiracy. How's my bowtots? Activated.

Okay. Okay, so here's one conspiracy. I think James has major, major dirt on Max, and that's why Lisa always forgives James in fear the truth will come out. Who's Max? Her son. Oh, that Max. Yeah.

I don't know, but T. Hi. Interesting. Hi. I can okay. I could, you know what? I confirm that. That seems reasonable. I mean, not no. Another conspiracy. Lisa Vanderpump told James the easiest way to get on the show was through Kristen.

Wouldn't put a pastor. All right. Another conspiracy. Not super crazy, but I think Rachel and Tom were having an affair when James proposed, and it's why Tom went so over the top. I've heard this before. I've heard that too. I don't think so, but also I didn't think they were having an affair while they were

having an affair. He spent $10,000. But that's the thing. That's Sandoval. That's so true. He sent me money in the pandemic. He is that person where he will just drop thousands. Anytime there was ever any like, go fund me or something, he was always the highest donation. Like, that is just who he is or was. His love language is giving gifts and giving money and stuff.

I don't think Rob hung the TV in under seven minutes. You know what? He actually didn't. The hardware was already on the wall. He just put the fucking TV on. Why I was so impressed with that, I don't know. Maybe because in my previous relationship, I was the one hanging shit on the walls and doing all of the, you know, the cable box isn't working.

I need to set up the Wi-Fi. Like, I did all of that stuff in the house. So the standards were low. Very low. I will say, though, I got a task rabbit, and I'm pretty sure he did it in under seven minutes, like, from beginning to end. I will find the...

Did what, the TV? On the TV. He did it. But I'm pretty sure I'm gonna find the video. Okay, another conspiracy. Jax 1000% messed around with his old manager or whoever that man was. John from Miami?

I don't know, who was that man? John from Miami. Oh, okay. I don't think we'll ever know the truth of that one. Yeah, I mean, cause it's Jax has to confirm or deny, which is like talking in a circle. Okay. Jax and Kristen were still sleeping together

in season three and season four. It was never those two times. Watch them in season four especially. Not that I know of. Wait, Jared. I don't know. You think so? I've just heard that a lot and...

If you watch... Heard it where? In the streets? On... I've seen it a lot in these comments type stuff. And like a lot of the Reddit say that it didn't just end. I mean, listen, no confirmation from either party involved. But if you do a little rewatch, some things stick out at you. I'm rewatching season four.

Jax started to really hate Brittany when she gained weight, and I think that's a huge thing that fueled how mean he was to her besides all the other horrific stuff. Isn't that just a fact? Yeah, I think that's just kind of a fact. I mean, he literally said it when her mom was over about what she was eating or something. Like, we saw it on the show, so I think that is just a fact.

Yeah, and it got worse when. So I think that is just a fact. Yeah. And it got worse when she got pregnant, which is insane. Yeah. Because it's like that's famously what happens when you get pregnant. Yes, you get it's the one thing we know. Yeah. Fact. The witches of WeHo wasn't just a fun thing.

Katie's actually a witch and Stacey being from New Orleans was obsessed with that stuff. And that's why her and Katie became such close friends. Low-key true. Katie is really good at tarot cards and doing that kind of stuff. We've done little seances before. So Katie does have some sort of powers in that. Like you can't just flip over tarot cards

and read it and be accurate. You know, it does take something. She's connected to that spiritual world. Absolutely. Do you think she's ever put a hex on you? Wouldn't put it past her. Katie, remove the hex. OK, we'll do one more.

LVP knew about Sheena and Brandi's husband, and she leveraged it to aid in getting the show. Again, my book is available for preorder on my goodsidebook.com. Wow. All right, well thank you again to Kiki and Jared for sticking around for more shenanigans this week. You can get more always of Kiki's takes daily on SiriusXM's Reality Checked and you can find Jared on this side of the hill podcast every week Okay now hopefully I can get through the rest of this episode without getting myself into trouble We had you send in various things to see if I could defend them

I have a feeling I won't be able to defend a lot of them. So let's go first one a feeling I won't be able to defend a lot of them. So let's go. First one, crop top wedding dresses. Okay, starting with an easy one. Yes, absolutely. I can defend that. I wasn't going to do it again for my second wedding because I did want something a little more timeless and classic, but I can absolutely defend being a trendsetter. And I don't know if I've said this on the podcast before, but Lady Gaga, the queen of pop herself, even said she liked my crop top wedding dress when I met her at pump back in 2014, 2015.

She was like, you know what, way to be different, way to stand out. And I mean, as you all know, I've been a fan of hers for so long, but that moment I was just like, you know what, way to be different, way to stand out. And I mean, as you all know, I've been a fan of hers for so long. But that moment I was just like, wow, of all people to say that they liked my crop top wedding dress. That was all I needed. Lady Gaga's approval. I can die happy. Next up, can you defend Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob? No, I cannot and I will never try to. I was overcompensating and no,

I regret that entire season. Also, I know there's a new show called Overcompensating on Prime, which I'm gonna be getting into. It is my next binge. I finally finished Mormon Wives. I know we'll get into a little bit more of that because I have seen some comments here. Also, I just finished Mormon Wives. I know we'll get into a little bit more of that because I have seen some comments here. Also, I just finished the studio.

So I'm gonna be on to my next binge and that's it. Can you defend fans coming up to you while you're out? I love when fans come up to me when I'm out. And it's so funny, recently, I think I said this, a woman who listens to the podcast was like, I know you don't really like people to come up to you when you're eating, and I know you're eating, but I'm going to come up to you anyways. And honestly, at this point, I'm like, whatever, shoot your shot. Whenever you see me out, whatever I may be doing, please come up, say hello, give me

a hug. If I have broccoli in my teeth, just let me know before we take a pic or I'll smile with my mouth closed either way Can you defend buying Adam a penguin? You know what? It's actually a donation So yes, I can defend that I made a thousand dollar donation to the aquarium of the Pacific research habilitation and rehabilitation whatever so in That regards. Yes, I can defend that. Can you defend porn star mustaches? Depends on the person, if I'm being honest. Brock, I think, can pull off a stash.

Some other people who have had a stash on Vanderpump rules? Not so much. Can you defend drunk friends concerned about another drunk friend's drinking? Well, I think when one drunk friend's behavior leads to them not being able to keep their hands to themselves, absolutely. Sometimes, you know, it's maybe not an isolated incident. So yeah. Can you defend Labooboos? Y'all, I just found out what a Labooboo was this weekend. I heard something about some stuffies thing that adults are doing. Had no idea what it was. My daughter has not asked for a Labooboo yet.

I just saw Crystal Minkoff got her daughter, well, Rob got it in China, this like giant Labooboo. I know it's a phase, it's a fad, it's a trend, it's whatever, but I don't get it personally. I know they're really hard to get. If my daughter asks for one, then we'll see, but I'm not gonna be putting one on my Prada bag. Can you defend Kristen constantly talking shit in the comments on you?

I honestly haven't seen those if so, so no, I cannot defend that if that's been a thing. Can you defend the Peter Lap dance? Can you defend the Peter Lap dance? Ooh. I mean, honestly, I probably shouldn't have done it. I don't know what I was thinking in that moment being in a relationship. Doesn't, I don't know, was it his birthday? I, no, I don't think I can defend that.

I think that was a bit inappropriate. So I'm not gonna I can defend that. I think that was a bit inappropriate, so I'm not going to defend my behavior there. Can you defend Britney Spears not making music again? Y'all, I mean, she has given us such an iconic discography that if she wants to take a break, it is well deserved. She has been an icon for decades. Let the girl rest Can you defend the side that you think isn't your good side?

It's just it's not you guys I Noticed it last night when I was watching the most recent episode of the valley I look different on each side on camera. My mouth moves a little different. It smiles a little different. I have to put more Botox on one side. And my hairline goes back further on my right side. So I stand by it. One side is better looking than the other.

And that's the hill I'm going to die on. Can you defend Lexi's lip liner on Summer House? Yes, I actually like it. And whenever I have Priscilla do my makeup, Lexi's lip liner on Summer House. Yes, I actually like it. And whenever I have Priscilla do my makeup, she does a similar liner. And I really like it. I like the overlined lip.

I like it when it's a little darker on top. So I can absolutely defend that. You just always have to make sure that both upper lips are even. And that's one thing I do a lip flip for because my lips aren't so even and I don't wanna do filler anymore. So that would be my one little thing to add in.

Can you defend still saying I did a thing today in 2025? Yes, absolutely. Hence why I said that on my story because I did a thing and I got a bunch of little tattoos yesterday. So I can defend that. I will keep saying that if that's a 40 year old mom things to say then you know what?

I'm a 40 year old mom. So there we go. Can you defend your music career? Never been a career. I will say that always been a a hobby. And everything from the beginning and what I'm working on now, maybe not the music during season eight, but the first couple songs,

my EP that I've yet to put out, but even the ones that I've already put out, like Boy Crazy, Sweet and Sour, absolutely. Those are some bangers. But season eight, we can just put in the season six box, compartmentalize it and never go back to it. That's why that music video has been wiped from the internet and only a few parts of it live on season eight, which I regret.

Can you defend those statement earrings from early VPR days? I don't know if you mean statement earrings or statement necklaces, because the necklaces, no, I cannot defend, other than the ones that my friend, Jenny Jules, at JBugjules Jewelry made me for the Saint Tropez dresses in the opening credits. We needed a huge pop of some sort of jewelry and sparkle with those dresses for those shoots.

That is the only statement necklace I will defend. However, the statement earrings, like the long ones that I wore in the early seasons of EPR, Tina McDowell made those and I love those. I stand by those. So yes, I will defend those. Okay. Ooh, you guys sent in a lot. I'm going to take one more break and then

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Go to rula.com slash good as gold and take the first step towards better mental health today. You deserve quality care from someone who cares. All right, we're back with some more. Can you defend Katie, Kristen, and Tom's bringing Jacks to Stassi's Vegas birthday season one? I mean, yeah, when you're filming a reality show, sometimes you do shit that's maybe a little out of character because it's interesting to watch. And that was interesting to watch. So I get why they did it. It made for an iconic TV moment.

Beer was poured. People were pushed. Whatever happened. The chunky sweater in the alley and the parking lot, whatever. You see production chasing after Jax. And yeah, there was no way to show that without showing producers in it. So I can defend that.

Can you defend being mad at Stassi for not checking on your tooth health? Absolutely. If you're watching on YouTube, I'm going to pop up those photos of my mouth during that saga. It was absolutely traumatizing. Okay, this wasn't just a situation where I chipped my tooth. It was like five surgeries. It was so much trauma.

I had to have this tooth completely removed. And because the infection got so bad, we had to fly in cadaver stem cells, bone grafts from like Europe. I mean, it was like wild what we had to do just to rebuild the roof of my mouth. Still couldn't do an implant, had to do a full bridge. I mean, these three are just stuck together forever. Then I did this one. And it's been a whole thing and you know being on a TV show right after this happened, filming, still going to auditions, doing the biggest red carpet I had ever done of my life at up front with a flipper in my purse just in case my tooth that was lightly

bonded fell out. I mean it was traumatizing having fans ask me for photos when I'm used to smiling with my teeth and then I'm trying to get the smize down and yeah it was a lot so I can defend that because it was a big deal. Can you defend telling all of the guys in the van that you wanted them to gangbang you? Okay, we recently talked about this on Bravo Bravo F-ing Bravo and I'm gonna talk about it again here because what happened was all of the girls are going in one van and all of the boys including my boyfriend at the time Shay are going into another van. These girls are going in one van and all the boys including my boyfriend at the time Shay are going into another van. These girls are not nice. I don't want to get in a car with them for like an hour. I would rather get in with my boyfriend

and the guys who are actually nice to me. So I get in the van and Schwartz says something along the lines of like, oh you getting in this it's the gangbang van haha. Of course they don't show him saying that or the audio or anything you just see me getting into the van I'm responding to Schwartz saying that and I said I would rather be gang banged by all of you than in the car with all of them but it was because he said it I didn't just hop in the van and be like yo let's gang bang me like that never happened. That is how Jax repeated it to the girls. But no, I did not just say I wanna be gangbanged.

Like who actually wants that? It was a joke in response to Schwartz and that's all. Can you defend Demi telling Taylor Jessie isn't good at hair? No, I cannot defend that. I mean, from now, I will say, I've watched the rest of the season. I finally finished it like two nights ago.

So I do understand all of you in the comments section being like, did we watch the same show? Did she even watch the whole season? No, I hadn't at that point. And I think I explained a little bit of this in the comment section somewhere. But I also have talked to Jesse again, since she listened to my podcast last week, and she filled in some of the gaps on the whole contract situation. When I recorded last

week, and I was around for all of this because Jesse had called me asking for advice when it came to the contracts last summer. So around that time she told me everything. I totally forgot this was last summer. I forgot that she wasn't on the call at the beginning of it and so she felt like Brett was speaking for her which she was like no no no like I'm not in this to try and make X amount of dollars. So I completely understand Jesse not wanting someone else's husband to speak on her behalf.

Respect that, understand that. I think since I did have all sides of the story then, you know, Jessie's and Demi's, I think that I understood where both of them were coming from. I think Demi started out as wanting to be a girl's girl and advocate for all of them. But once one person wasn't in on that plan, and she was like, all right, fuck it. Then the rest of us should get in on this plan together.

I do not think it's okay to try and get one of your best friends kicked off the show. But I also don't think she was really hardcore being like, we need to kick Jessie off. If she was, you know what? I can't defend that. I know what she's told me. I know what Jessie's told me. And I know what I watched on the show. And I now do understand better why every single person in my comment section was like, are we watching the same show? So yes, I've caught up. I've watched it. And I can't wait for

whether it's season two, part two or season three, because it's so much happens, so much that I know, so much that I'm sure I obviously don't know. And now we see they're all following each other again, commenting on each other's posts. So as we all know, I'm not a person who's just going to cut someone off because someone else doesn't like them. I often, as you guys say, am on the wrong side of history. But let's say season three, season two, part two, whatever comes around and Demi is the

fan favorite again, was I supposed to stop being her friend because she doesn't look so good season two and then season three everyone likes her again it's like I don't rule like that. We're friends. Could she have done some things better season two? Absolutely. This industry is not easy you know if you put a camera behind any one of you listening to this podcast every day for like ten weeks you're gonna do some shit that you're not super proud of so So when people are new, especially, it's like, it's tough and there's nothing normal about what we do.

And I think everyone's just trying to put their best foot forward, make a good show and make a good living for their families. So anyway, wait, I feel like I got super sidetracked and didn't actually answer that. Jesse isn't good at hair. Yes, no. Jesse is great at hair.

Jesse's done my hair at my house and at Jay-Z Styles. I flew to Utah and I thought she was fantastic. So anyway, back to, can you defend Janet not comforting Michelle at her Dave and Buster's birthday? Yes, I can defend that. It was her birthday. Dave and Buster's is like Janet's Roman Empire. It is her holy grail.

It is her place of happiness. So I understand that. Can you defend Brock missing the studs when hanging Charlie's TV. Yes and no. It was just meant to be a funny bit and he didn't have all of the right tools. He was told that we were just filming the scene and they had everything there to hang the TV. It was just for a little vlog to time him.

I don't think he actually planned on that TV staying up for the remainder of them living in this apartment, but he definitely should have fixed it or taken it down until it could have been hung properly. I'll say that. Can you defend having Jesse's location after only knowing her a day? Well, it was not only knowing her a day. We had actually hung out a couple times before that. When I first had Taylor and Macy on my podcast and they told me that Jesse was a fan of Vanderpump Rules, watched the show, wanted to meet me. The next day or the day after I ended up meeting Jesse and Jordan with Brock for lunch at Casa Vega, we hung out for hours, talked, and then we were in regular

communication, texting or voice noting or FaceTiming pretty often. So when she came back out to do my podcast, I was in an Uber on the way to pick her up and I was like, you guys know me, I share my location with everyone. So I said, I was like, I'm just going to give you my location. I don't know why I didn't think to share the uber trip, but I gave her my location So she knew with traffic when I was gonna be approaching the hotel She then immediately shared her location back at the time I didn't know if it was a until the end of day for 24 hours or indefinitely turns out it was indefinitely So she even made a joke to me that night. And she's like,

wait, isn't this what got you in trouble? You know, sharing your location last season. And I was like, no, actually, this is what got the other person in trouble because I then knew where Max was. I've had Marciano's location for probably a year. So I knew where he was and I just happened to know where she was

because she shared her location earlier that day with me. And, you know, I mean, I can't help it if someone wants to share their location with me. I'm not taking their phone, going into the Find My app and like sharing it, you know, it's not some weird, sneaky, creepy thing. So anyway, yes, I can defend it. Can you defend wearing big hoop earrings on a hike? Yes, I can. I wear hoop earrings almost every day. And I'll be honest, that wasn't like a full, full hike that day.

We were at Runyon, we went up the hill, and we stopped at the bench. If I was going to continue going up the stairs to anyone who's been at Runyon before and do the entire hike, honestly, I may have still worn the hoops because I'm not jogging, but I knew it was a very short hike that day and I had somewhere to go right after.

And when my hair's up, I like to have earrings in. Whether I'm on a hike or not, I just feel really plain if my hair is back in a bun without a big earring or sunglasses. All right, next up. Can you defend Michelle for her comment about the gay guy sending Jesse money? I mean, after all the things he said about her, I think she can say whatever the fuck she wants. So yeah. It was a lot of money, you know? I would question that too.

Can you defend being friends with both Demi and Jessie? Absolutely. I think they are both great girls, amazing moms, and I think, you know, they definitely have some conversations that they need to, some shit they need to work through. But I think they can get back on the same page. I know they recently started following each other again. And I talked to Jesse a couple days ago, and we just said how much fun it was in Utah when the three of us hung out,

and that we should do that again. So I think this will all play out on the next part of the season whenever those episodes drop. And yeah, you know, I'm glad that I've stuck by both of them because I love and adore both of them. And I think they're both fantastic television. Can you defend not inviting Ariana to your birthday party? I did invite Ariana to my birthday party. She was out of town. She was in New York for Watch What Happens Live and she told me that.

So there's that. Can you defend John Mayer claiming you never had a relationship? I mean we never were in a relationship. I never said that. But if you do want more details of that non-relationship, you can read my book. Pick it up for pre-order at my goodsidebook.com. Can you defend LVP for not showing up to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion? No, I cannot. And as my producer, if I didn't

show up to a reunion, I know she'd likely say that it's my job to show up and face the music, etc, etc. And I think she even said that about Adrienne Maloof seasons prior when she didn't show up. So, indefensible. Can you defend Stassi for appearing on Vanderpump Villa? I mean, of course, it's a bridge to her new future in the reality TV space. And I think her new show is going to be great. I can't wait to watch it. So I can absolutely defend that.

Can you defend LVP for her comments about your book? Hmm. Yes and no. Um, I know she was asked a question on Watch What Happens Live suggesting that I was out there saying I'm spilling tea about her in my book, which as I've cleared up on this podcast isn't exactly the truth. I never claimed that in that way. Kristen made a comment on a podcast and kind of sensationalized it. Lisa is not a focal point of my book, I'll say that, but she was my boss for many years and she is a big part of my story. So of

course things about her come up in the book, but I'm not trashing her in the book. I don't trash anyone. I think it's just my lived experiences. But I will say knowing Lisa as well as I do, she doesn't like when anything is said about her that diverges from the neatly manicured persona she likes to put out there and have crafted. So I'm sure there will be moments that, you know, she doesn't love that are in the book. But this is a behind the scenes look at all of the aspects of

my life, like literally every single thing. It's not just the facade. So we'll see what the response is when the book comes out. But again, if you have not pre-ordered, I don't know if there are still signed copies, but if so, I would get on those quickly because I am not signing anymore. Those are on Premiere and Barnes and Noble,

but you can get all of the information at mygoodsidebook.com. And to wrap this up, a Jack's Hole for the week. And also, I just want to point out, so a lot of you were like, oh, copy and watch what happens live with the Can You Defend It segment. Yeah, I did get it from there.

I pulled inspiration from one of my favorite shows, hence the Jack's Hole. I changed it a little bit, but I wouldn't say it's copying. I would say it's just paying homage to the Andy Cohen. So a Jack's Hole for the week. So many options with the men in this group you know but I'm gonna give it to Zach yet again because as Kristen said she gets all of her information from Zach. Everyone wants to say that Janet is the gossip and the cancer of the group, which I obviously strongly disagree with. You know, Zach is the one repeating rumors about Jason

and repeating things and twisting it that Janet supposedly said, the whole racist Republican thing. So, Jack's Hole of the Week, Zach Wickham. But anyways, thank you guys all so much for listening, sending in your prompts. That was a fun little game, and I think we'll probably play it again. If you're watching on YouTube, please comment below if you have any other ideas of fun segments and games that you want to see me do in my solo spills

or with Kiki, Jared, whoever may be sitting on this couch and gracing us with their presence. So, pre-order my book, my goodsidebook.com, and we'll be back next week getting into some more shenanigans. Thanks for listening and watching guys, bye. Thanks for listening to shenanigans with Sheena Shay. Tune in next time for juicy updates

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