Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Wicked Witches, Vanilla Villains, & Late-Life Lesbians

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

This week, Scheana and Kiki Monique are back in the studio—and truly all over the place. They react to a study suggesting straight men may be gayer than they let on, weigh in on the debate around men dominating female spaces, unpack golden-child dynamics, pet cloning, hookup culture, and the wild phenomenon of fans diagnosing medical conditions from reality TV. Kiki opens up about her own journey with sexual fluidity, while Scheana shares a spicy story she left out of her book… Plus: why has Scheana seen Wicked: For Good three times? Which SLOMW cast member is Larry King’s sister-in-law? And which body part is actually the best predictor of, ahem, male anatomy size (spoiler: it’s not feet)? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Co-Host: @thetalkofshame Purchase your very own copy of the NYT Best-selling book MY GOOD SIDE at www.mygoodsidebook.com!Episode sponsors:The RealReal is the world’s largest and most trusted resource for authenticated luxury resale. With thousands of pre-loved luxury arrivals daily, no one does resale like The RealReal—and no one makes the holidays shine brighter than The RealReal. And now, get TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS OFF off your first purchase when you go to The RealReal.com/goodasgold.Get last-minute hosting essentials, gifts for all your loved ones, and decor to celebrate the holidays for WAY less. Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Wayfair. Every style. Every home.Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. From Vanderpump rules to motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle. It's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Shea Shea. Because we're good as God Hello Hello everyone

Welcome back for another week of shenanigans Kiki and I are here in the studio Post Thanksgiving break How was your Thanksgiving? I was good I feel like it changes every year Because since I'm like the one That's like no kids

I actually get like people pull me They're like we want you at ours We want you at ours It's like a draft Yeah So this year I did it with some new friends. It was a lot more kids than I had done, like, kind of in the past.

So I didn't, it was more like sneaking around, you know, not being as, like, messed up. Totally. You know, but it was fun. It was still fun. Yeah. I feel like your nails are giving Glinda and mine are giving Alphabet. I know. We are very wicked for good.

Right. I'm like, okay. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a Glinda girl, but I do love pink. I mean, so I'm doing this new, like, cat eye thing where they do the magnet. Okay. And it looks like this weird marble sort of thing. I want to start doing that because I've been doing chrome, but the cat's eye looks really cool. Yeah, cat's eye.

All right. I'm doing that next time. So Summer went and she got Glinda Pink. Oh. So I did Alphaba Green. I love it. And I was teaching her. I mean, it's so out of date now.

But the Alphaba. Glinda, I'm a witch and I'm a witch. Remember that? I don't. So it's the thing. I'll watch the movies, but you're not going to get me on the songs. It was a TikTok sound. Oh, okay.

Okay, got it. It was just like a little thing that you're supposed to do with like your bestie. Got it. And so I was teaching it to her because I thought it would be cute. But then she was getting embarrassed. So we didn't film it. But how was your birthday? It was good.

I don't, again, I don't normally like celebrate my birthdays. I just bury it with like Thanksgiving. But like I did like, I did a lot of self-care. I feel like this birthday. I was like, I just want to like do me, have a lot of me time, massages, hang time with friends. So it was chill. Love that. Yeah.

Massages. is. Well, one massage, but I kind of want to get more. I love that. What about you? I feel like I was on the longest Thanksgiving break of my life. Did you leave L.A.? I did. I was all over the place. So Tuesday night, we drove to Palm Springs. And then we had Wednesday, Thursday, Friday there. Okay. Then Saturday morning, we drove to Laverne from my aunt D's because my family always does Thanksgiving on the Saturday after. So we had a Scottish theme this year and Highland Games. Okay.

For any particular reason? So my family had went, my aunt and uncle had went and visited Scotland and Ireland. Like, they went all over Europe and just found a lot of places of our heritage and traced back family members and saw people and all of this. Okay. So while they were there, they were like, oh, this would be a cool theme to do for Thanksgiving. Every year we do a different theme, different food. Because after we've eaten Thanksgiving food for days, like on Saturday, we don't want more turkey and stuffing and mashed potatoes. It's so

heavy carb. So you're like eating haggis for this? We had beef stew, potatoes. My aunt always makes these cheesy potatoes, which are so good. But then we had like a beef stew with like the brown, big roasted potatoes. Our men were in kilts. Every man was in a kilt. Oh, sexy. Yes. Brock was in a Kilt. Dad was in a kilt. Like all the cousins. So we had, I should pop up a picture. We had a cute family photo with all of us. All right. Any rugby game afterwards? There wasn't rugby, but there was a bunch of different games set up. Okay. So summer was throwing these like, plastic, but like little axe things that go into a board. And then there was like a putting thing. And then there was this big log throwing thing. I don't know how to really properly

describe any of the games, but they will be on my blog this week. I appreciate how committed you are to really creating core memories for your child. Yes. That's amazing. Yeah. So after that day, she stayed at my mom's house. I went down with my cousins. They live in Carlsbad. Okay. And my therapist is based down there. And so I did in person. I do it like once, twice a year, EMDR therapy. Oh. So I went down,

stayed with my cousins for the night. It was so fun. I'm like, Like, when was the last time I had a sleepover with my cousins? Yeah. You know, decades ago. It's not really something you do as an adult. No. So it was so fun. We just put on Home Alone, me, my two cousins, two of their kids, they made me this, like,

magic magnesium vitamin drink that put me straight to sleep. I had such a good sleep score. Nice. It's like, wow. It was amazing. When did... Speaking of Home Alone, though, did you see McCulley Culkin talked about how, like, his kids watch home alone and love it and don't realize he's

Kevin. Stop! How amazing is that, though? Wait, that's funny. I think we have kids the same age because I hear we're applying to the same schools. Oh, that would be kind of cool. I know, right? Okay. Yeah. But yeah, so that was good. Did EMDR therapy and then Brock drove down

to pick me up because he had my car. We were in one car from Palm Springs. So then I'm like, how are we going to do this all if we didn't come back Friday? So he drove down to Carl's Bad, went to church with the fam, and then picked me up, I was praying that my Chargers tickets would sell. I'm like, why doesn't someone want to go to a Charger Raider game? I get it. The Raiders suck, but their fans are diehard, you know?

So I'm like, they'll sell, they'll sell. 9 a.m. morning of, they did not sell. And I'm like, cool. Now I have my plaid Scottish dress or my gray and black sweats to wear to the game. Yeah. I can't wear either. I'm going to look like a Raider fan or a weird tartan cheerleader. And so I go to like my, she's probably like 21 by this one, but it's like my teenage cousin. I'm like, how old are you now? I don't know if she's legal to drink yet. Anyways, much younger than me.

Thankfully, we're the same size. Okay. So I go up to her room. She gives me a blue sweater, some black pants, blue and white combers. So I had my outfit for the game, drive straight to the game. And then from the game, straight home. Well, actually, we met at Summer's best friend's house for dinner. We did dinner.

And then after summer went to bed. Oh, my God. I went and watched Wicked again with the girls. Oh, my God. I don't, like, you, I listen to your stories and I get exhausted. I'm like, I'm ready for a nap. I don't know how you do it. I was so tired today.

But it was just like, I was not planning on going to the football game yesterday. I was going to have my mom meet us at Salty Horse when we're driving up from Carlsbad. Just have a nice, long brunch, chill for the day, and then go to the movie later at night. But they didn't sell. I'm not going to waste my tickets. See, once I had put in my head. that I wasn't going. You could have never gotten me to go. I know. So we went. It was fun. We won. It was great. But then I'm like, it was just boom, boom, boom.

It was. I'm like, I haven't been home in six days. That's crazy. Yeah. So it was fun. But we had a very good long break. Wait, have you seen Wicked for Good yet? I went this weekend. Okay. Yes. I loved it. Just one time. Okay. Yeah. I loved it. I loved it. I mean, I'm one of those where I don't need to see it in the theater I'll like watch it again like when it comes to streaming or something like that. But I love, I don't know why people were giving it shit. I'm like, it was great. It was just as good as the first one. Yeah.

Did you feel that the movie captured the magic of the Broadway show or do you think anything got lost in translation? No. So like I had never, again, I was not a musical person. Wicked is actually what got me in a musical. So once I saw part one, I was like, I don't want to wait a year. I want to see what happened. So I got, I went to Pantages, watched it there.

And then I was like, great. Then watched it. And I was like, I actually loved what the movie did because you get to go deeper into backstories. You can kind of expand. So I think it does it justice, but more. Yeah. It was fun to see the movie with people who hadn't seen the play yet.

Okay. Like, wait, is Bach the Tin Man? Oh, my God. Is Fierro? Yeah. I'm like, do you not know how the story ends? Like, it was cute last night because Maddie was just like, oh my God.

She was like, I should. swore I saw the Broadway show, but she's like, was this in the show? I don't remember any of this. I'm like, yes, girl. It's all covered in the show. So that was fun. So, yeah, I've seen it more than once. But, and I've never gone to a theater to see a movie more than once. Really? No, I've just like, I'll see it when it comes out. We saw it. I went to like a private screening, like right before it came out. And then obviously I had to take summer. But I'm like, I want to see it first just to like make sure. So if there's anything I need to give her a heads up about. And so I saw it before. And so I saw it before. her and then we took her but we had the whole theaters we got kids running around i wasn't really focused on the movie the second time and one of my girlfriends wasn't able to come and she was like i don't think my daughter's going to sit through that long of a movie and i was like you know what i will see it one more time in theaters so i was like let's do a girl's night we hadn't really hung out since new york the three of us yeah and here's what's so fucking crazy okay so christine mattie I will have them on the podcast soon, so you guys get to know them a little more.

But we've gotten really close this year. I've known them both for years, but especially, I think, when I wasn't filming The Valley and, you know, that group of friends who I'm usually with all the time, we're super busy. Me, Christy and Maddie started to get a lot closer. We did our New York trip together. I have been on an IUD since my six-week postpartum checkup with summer. She is four and a half. I have not had a period in over five and a half years.

We're in New York. It was like full moon, whatever is going on. All three of us are in bathroom stalls. And Maddie goes, oh my God, does anyone have a tampon? Christy, me. And I go, I'm spotting two. What the hell? Oh, my God.

We all start our period the same night. And I'm like, this is crazy because I don't really spot on my IUD. Like, it's very rare. So I'm like, that's weird. Then last night is the first time the three of us have hung out since New York. I've seen Christy individually. I've seen Maddie individually. And the three of us are together.

And Maddie was like, I'm just kind of crampy. Like, did anyone else start their period? And I'm like, again, you know, I don't really get one. Oh, but I got home last night. Spotting cramps this morning. I'm like, what in the witchiness is this? Well, that's women who sink together, stay together. Right.

Yeah. But it's so crazy. because I just, I haven't had a period in so many years. Yeah. Now here we are synced. Yeah. Wild. Okay, wait, a couple more questions about Wicked and then we're going to take a break.

Was there anything you were let down by, like any of the characters, storylines, and what was your favorite scene of the movie, if you can recall? Oh, gosh. I mean, honestly, my favorite scene was the opening scene that was picking up from part one. Yeah. I mean, because I had just kind of like watched. part one right before I went to see it and then I just I had not gotten the chill since I had seen it when Alpha, you know, she like, and so then picking up from right there was just

like, immediately started crying when all the animals were going into hiding. Like I literally started bawling because I'm just like. Gilles Baird. Or Dr. Dilleman. I know. I know. Well, that's why I kind of want to read the book because I heard the book is even like, it's dark.

Isn't it like this big though? Yeah. But it's dark. Interesting. Like I heard it's really dark. Like I couldn't go there. But, you know, I have, okay, so I've been seeing those TikToks with, you know, Miss Marble and Michelle and the whole, like, Miss Marble, when you turn it upside down, she's the wicked way. And it's kind of, like, funny because I'm like, I don't know who told her to, like, go on press tour and say that everywhere.

But I'm like, it's getting a little cringy now. And I'm like, I don't like this. Like, yeah, her character in this movie, there were so many times, I just kind of wanted to ring her neck. Yeah, like it wasn't. She wasn't my favorite character. It's like I loved everyone, but she wasn't my favorite. Same. But that's how you know someone is a very good actor, actress, is when you can't stand the character they play because they do such a good job at playing that character. You know, that's talent to make you actually like dislike you as a character. You're doing a good job. But Jeff Goldblow was amazing. Oh, my God, he's so funny. The part when the three of them were like, damn. It was just like hilarious. But one of my, it wasn't my favorite scene, but my favorite shot. Like if I were a DP or whatever. It's sad, but when Glinda, right after the wedding gets ruined, it's like the most beautiful mess when she's just in the middle of all the broken everything, the flowers everywhere.

I'm like, I could just picture like a really cool photography shot of her in the wedding dress with just like a beautiful mess around her. And I was like, wow, that's a really cool aesthetic shot. Well, that's the thing about the movie that's so different from the play is like you can get so many more visuals that are amazing. Because, like, that row of flowers that's by color-coded, they actually planted that. Like, that's not AI. Yeah. Like, John Chu, I think, was like, I want to have it. And so I love the fact that, like, A, he's giving actual work back to Hollywood in, like, a very good way.

And, like, yeah. So I'm like, make a part three. I don't, whatever you want to do. They set it up perfect for a Glinda the Good movie. Yeah. If there were a part three, what storylines would you want to see carried out? Like, I do want to know what this nothing world is that they're just, like, walking around the sand. Yeah.

Yeah, like, where are they going? Like, you know, I don't know. Like, I would, honestly, you can take, if you want to talk, go down the Glender route, if you want to find out what happened to Fierro. And I'll take all of it. I feel like they could definitely do another one. Yeah. That's.

Especially when I just like heard today that the first one made a billion dollars, like, and the second one. So the second one would probably, it opened bigger than the first one. So I'm sure it'll make like a billion and a half. I'm like, I can't even imagine. I'm contributing to that. Clearly. Anyway, okay, we're going to take a break and then we'll be right back. Okay, well, it's that time of year.

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to get $25 off. Start shopping now at the realreel.com slash good as gold. Okay, so, season three of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives recently dropped. I have to admit, I have not had time to watch it yet. Oh, my God. It's been out, what, almost two weeks now, but it came out the weekend of BravoCon. Yes. Did not have time. No.

After BravoCon, I was exhausted. I was sick, and it's just, it's been a lot. So I've not had the time to watch it yet. It is going to be my next binge. I thought when we were in Palm Springs, I was going to binge it. but everyone who was staying in the house either didn't want to watch it or already watched it and didn't want to watch it again.

So I haven't had a chance to catch up. Are you caught up? You've watched the whole season? I've watched the whole season and yeah, I'm, I mean, I feel like, not that you're part of the storyline, but it's like, you're kind of part of storyline. That's the thing too where I feel kind of biased watching it and maybe it's a reason that I haven't rushed into it yet

because I was there in real time for this whole storyline that comes out this season. Like, I was hearing from all sides. Demi, Jesse, Marciano, all of them calling me, all these, like, cold calls. And I'm like, are they filming right now? Like, I'm not going to answer. Like, I don't know. So are you good with all? Are you good with DeMe, Jesse?

With the girls, yes. Marciano, no. I don't speak to him anymore. Really? Okay. No. I did see him in Vegas. He rocked up to the fourth, well, I guess it was night four, but the third night of BravoCon, my fourth night there. One of the Southern hospitality guys, I guess, is friends with him and invited him to my unofficial after party at one of the bars in the hotel. And he walked up and I was just like, he knew I was there. Yeah. you know and he walked up and just kind of gave me this like big dick attitude and was like

yeah whenever you're ready to talk like I'll be over there and I was like oh no we don't oh I was like Brock honey go handle so he put him in his place and he left yeah it's just so many different sides to this story and he has changed his story so many times that I'm like how are you even credible you tell us one thing then you gaslight us and tell us and another, then you go back on this, then you change your story, then you take a lie detector test. It was just, I know, but now it's like between him and Demi, it's like, I think it's going to get even messier. It seems like at this point. And like, I don't even know where that's going to go. I know. Speaking of her, I did see online today that Demi's husband Brett, his older

sister, Sean is Sean King, who is the, not Sean King, not Sean Kingston. No, Sean King, who is the widow of Larry King. Okay. Or is it his ex-wife? I don't know, but. I think I did, I do remember hearing this. Yeah. Okay.

I don't know if they divorced before he passed or they were separated, but I was like, that's kind of wild that DeMille's brother-in-law would have been Larry King. This is true. Yeah. No. Yeah. I'd rather to put it out there that Larry King would have had a sister-in-law on Secret Lives of Mormon Wife.

Yes. Exactly. I like it that way better. Yeah. Okay. So general thoughts. on this season and obviously the reunion comes out this week but as we're recording right now it's not out yet yeah i mean it's so messy here's what i okay here's the things i liked about

this season it was interesting to watch an entire season of reality stars that weren't pretending that they weren't on a reality show they were fully just like how do i get the next brand deal and like oh she's coming back to film because she's going to a trap for dancing with the stars, and that was what she was agreed to. Like, it's literally just watching in real time them become, like, influencers and using this show to get to the next platform, which I mean, it's a, I don't even know what wall you're breaking when you're doing that, which is interesting. Obviously, I, it does need to be studied how Demi went from, like, fan favorite to be the

most hated woman on the internet. Here's what I will say, though. I have been saying for years that we have not been able to have a good villain on reality because of the nature of the audience they will not allow it and it is look I would not want to be her right now

I'm sure she's getting eaten alive the fact that she's leaning into it I almost have to respect because I'm like fuck it like again we don't get good villains anymore because people are too scared to be hated because it's not fun you wake up every day comments and like it's not fun but we need good villains

villains or we don't have good reality TV. I'm sorry. Like, there's a reason Jacks Taylor made great reality TV because he was a great villain. Great villains make great TV. So I didn't think she would lean into it. Clearly based on the post she's been making, she's leaning into it. I mean, she just said it's like, you know, if everyone else is going to talk about it, then like, why not lean into it? Oh, my God. Like the fruity pebbles. Girl, she might need to go to the doctor, though, because people are saying that sweet pee is like a sign of diabetes. Interesting. If your pee like taste or smells. I mean, I've never drank mine or anyone else's pee. I've only drank my breast milk, which was sweet. But I know. So I'm like, you might want to make an appointment. Interesting. But that's the thing too. Like, what if you know, that is true? When things like this and weird health things come out on reality TV, like I think Jesse learned that she had like a thyroid problem or something because someone watched the show and was like, you should go get this. Yes. You're right. And she did.

and it was what that person had said. It's so true. So it is crazy when people notice weird health things like that. It's like, oh, shit, maybe I should get that checked out. Yeah, it's true. Maybe she should. I wonder if when she was pregnant, you know, like the gestational diabetes and stuff, like, I wonder when that was.

I don't know. I'm sure you'll find out. I can ask. I do have to say, though, after this past year where it felt like society's kind of gone like backwards and sideways in many ways, it does feel a little healing to see a woman taking a man's job for once. And I saw a few clips. And from what I've seen, it looks like Stasi completely crushes it on the reunion. And to be able to take that job from Mr. Nick Vile, I'm like, that's off. Good job, girl. I haven't even watched it yet. And I know you crushed it.

I, you know, because I talk about this often. Like, we are in a space, a woman-dominated space, and I just feel like so often we keep getting men, straight men, even, who, like, dominate as the authorities on it. And I'm like, it's weird because, again, I want, as a host, I want them to be able to ask intimate questions and it not to be creepy. And I'm sorry, it comes off better when it's coming from a woman. Absolutely. Especially with the cast, filled with women. Yes. Like, why was he an option to be gay?

with. If it's a man, it should be a gay man, like an Andy Cohen, but a straight man to host the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives reunion. It was just an odd choice for me. It is an odd choice, especially when a big theme of this show is about how they come from this society where men are supposed to be the ones taking care of everything. And clearly, these women are running every single thing, especially this season. I mean, the men are over here crying the blues. Like, I mean, it's not, this is not looking great. So yes. Yeah. I'm like, good for Stasi. Yeah.

I can't wait to watch that. But I'm like, I know I need to watch the whole show before I watch the reunion. So that will be my job this week. So next week I can give proper opinions. Yes. Yes. I think she's going to ask all the questions that we need asked. Yes, definitely. Speaking of men, so a study from the University of Georgia is circulating again, even though it came out in the early 2000s.

But let me tell you, it's wild. So researchers showed different types of adult content to men who all identified as straight. Then, instead of relying on what the men said they were into, the researchers used actual physiological sensors to measure arousal. Okay, so guess what? One in five, literally 20% showed physical arousal to male-male content, even though none of them reported ever being attracted to men or anything like that. So this study has resurfaced because it raises a huge question.

What's the gap between what people say they're attracted to and what their bodies actually respond to? And like how much of that is about shame, societal pressure or internalized expectations? I mean, especially for straight men raised in conservative environment. Yeah. You know? So first thought, are we surprised or is this the least surprising thing we've ever heard? honestly least surprising we're a very repressed culture yeah do you think this is about curiosity repression or the spectrum of sexuality being more fluid than men want to admit

oh i think the spectrum is very fluid and i yeah i can't like i refuse to believe that we are a society that understands evolution is a thing and i why wouldn't we evolve in our sexuality as we continue to like learn and grow and so yeah like like Like, this shouldn't come as a surprise. Yeah. Why do you think the stated identity of so many men doesn't align with their physiological reactions? Well, because I think they're scared for it, too. I mean, I think society has not made it okay for them.

I think it's more society in general is more comfortable with women being more fluid. Well, yeah. That's, like, more acceptable. It's like, girl on girl kissing is hot, unless you're my husband. He doesn't think it's hot. He's like, what the fuck? I can't compete with that. But it does seem like it's like this double standard.

Like it's different, for sure. Because even women. Like women will be like, well, I don't want a guy who has like ever slept with a guy. And it's like, so they're getting it from both sides. Yeah. Do you think more men would identify as bi or queer curious if it didn't come with a stigma? Oh, for sure. Yeah, I do too.

The study said that the men most likely to react were often raised in conservative or rigidly heteronormative environments. That makes a lot of sense. Like, I mean, have you ever dated, like, have you ever dated a super conservative guy? Or have you had a situation where you thought maybe they could have been a little more curious or any, I don't know. Yes. And out of respect, I left this out of the book. Oh.

But there was a man I, once upon a time, dated who did want me to bring in a third, but wanted me to bring in a man. Oh. And did you do it? No men were down. Really? Really? Well, you couldn't even just like... And I was like, but it's so and so.

And they're like, I don't give a fuck if it's so and so. I'm not doing that. I just feel like you could go on like, well, were you a public figure at that point? So you could have, like, I was not. Oh, okay. So you could have like gone in an app. Yeah, like I asked bartenders. I was like a little DJ from like the dime.

I'm like, hey, so, you know, you want to go have some fun later tonight? And they're like, with you, yes, with him now. I was like, interesting. I tried. And this is in L.A. This is in L.A. I'm shocked. I'm shocked.

I mean, now they have, I haven't used field because, again, I'm just so bad at apps, but with apps like Field, I think, like... Wait, what's that? It basically is like,

kind of like, I won't say it's like grinder for straight people, but it is more like you go in and you can set all your parameters and so it's a lot more like, I'm in an ethically a non-monogamous relationship

and like people, and you can just put all your parameters in. But what's funny is like, even though it, Field feels more like people are just there to hook up. I've actually seen more people have successful long-term relationships come out. And I almost wonder if it's because you're just up front about like, these are the things I like or, you know. Now, I'm curious because I'll admit that, like, my porn go-to is like men on men.

It is like my favorite. But in real life, I've never done that. I'm curious, like, when he approached you with this, like, was it a turn on or did it turn you off? I mean, I was down. I'm not going to yuck your yum, but I was like, you know, I mean, then I get both dicks. So, like, worse for me. So I was actively trying to make this happen because I'd never done that either. But it didn't work out.

I'm actually sad for you that you didn't get to fulfill this dream. I know. I feel like it would have been a good one. Yeah. You could have been Eiffel Tower. You know. Yeah. So question.

In your lived anthropological research, you know, aka your dating life, Have you met men who identify a straight but don't seem fully straight? Oh, I mean, I'm pretty sure I've dated gay men. Right. Like, absolutely. Like, they didn't admit to me they were gay, but I've definitely slept with plenty of gay men. Yes. I've had a couple as well.

Yeah. I'm like, you want to try it out? I'm down. Don't know what you like. But do you think more women have noticed this than men realize? I don't. Yes and no. I mean, I think that sometimes women.

they'll just believe kind of what they want to believe. And so I don't know. Because, you know, like take for instance someone like a Todd Crisley. Like I think when he came on the scene, all of us just really assumed he was a gay man. But has, he loves his wife. Yeah. And his wife really loves him. So I'm kind of like, who are we to like put this label on this man?

Yeah. Have any straight guys ever accidentally slipped up and revealed like they might be more like straightish? No, but like when they want a lot of butt play I kind of am just like first of all I'm never going to do butt play with the straight guy Only because I'm like I don't trust you I've seen your underwear on like I do not trust you like What about after a shower? Come on

No we're gonna there's they're not responsible people Like they don't know like gay men know what to do They have the tools they've been like because they know They've had to do this their whole life straight men don't know how to clean down there we're doing a poll to the men in the room okay real talk though do we think more men in Hollywood

fall into the straight publicly curious privately category than we know well yeah because I think you know traditionally a lot of the theater kids I think it was usually a lot more gay kids or you know kids that were fluid And so I think even the straight guys who were in that society were more comfortable being around that.

So maybe they were even more open to it. So I think as they went to Hollywood, it just was like, also here's the thing. I also believe that hot people just want to screw other hot people. It doesn't even really matter. Yeah. A whole is a whole. Exactly. I've heard people say there's nothing gay about getting your dick sucked.

So to reach their own, you know. Do we agree? The guys are staying out of it. Do you think sexuality is more of a spectrum than a label? Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, like, you know, we just saw Portia seemingly hard launch her new boo. And so, like, I just think that, again, as we evolved, trust me, like, if I, I just don't, I've tried it. I'm not, I don't like to eat pussy.

I've done it. It's not my thing. Yeah. However, I have the best time with girls and hanging out with them. know that like relationship wise would probably be more fun but I just this I can't go there so I'm like unfortunately I like penis and this is where we are it's where we are yeah I feel like too it's possible people don't know themselves as well as they think you know or maybe don't feel safe admitting what they know and I mean I kind of touched on this a little bit in the book and I was

even afraid to open up about it when I was like kind of dating a girl it's like it only went so far, but I'm like, I never really was able to explore what it fully could have been because of timing. But it's like, I guess I'll never really know. Well, I never say never. I mean, look, there's a lot of like late lesbians. I might be one of them. Who knows? Next season on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills or Orange County. Exactly. Yeah. At the end of the day, labels can lie, but your body usually doesn't. You know, I mean, you get a tingle. for who you get a tingle. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like if one in five straight guys get turned on by gay content, then maybe the real takeaway is just sexuality is way more interesting, complicated, and fluid than we pretend. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Okay. Moving on to another study I came across. Still on the penis train. So don't right. Japanese researchers analyzed data from hundreds of men. literally measuring different body parts and comparing them to penis length, both at rest and fully activated. This is probably going to surprise you.

So apparently the only body part that showed real correlation was. Ears? No. Nose? Yes. Okay. That was a good guess. You didn't go with feet or hands.

Yeah, because I've slept with a lot of guys with big penis. Generally. Small hands. ears, nose. Like it's what I typically look at. I don't know. It's like I kind of want to go back now and think about that because I never would have made that correlation.

You just think like hands feet. And I'm like, that's not always true. Interesting. I feel I love guys with big noses too. So maybe that's why I've been lucky. Interesting. Yeah. Apparently, that's the only body part.

But men with larger noses averaged around 13.5 centimeters. And guys with smaller noses were close to 10.4. Centimeters. Okay. What is that in American inches? I need to know what that is in inches. Right. I know. The study was in centimeters. I don't know what a metric penis looks like. So yeah, about 5.3 inches is 13.5 centimeters. And yeah, height, weight, age, like literally none of that matters. So let's talk about this. Okay. First of all, does this line up with your real life experience? You said yes. You've noticed the correlation. And the reason I will say also the feet thing, because I've been with a guy who had big feet and had. a, mm-hmm. That's unfortunate. I know.

I had this one guy once. He was like 6-5, 6-6. Pinky. Yeah. I literally was like, you can put it in. And he said, it is. Oh, God. I was like, I just got to work out.

Yeah, I know, right? Is there a specific moment without naming names where you were like, yep, that nose did not lie. That's like, you know, Pinocchio. That is true. Oh, God. This is like sounding terrible. terrible, but like that I, the Rolodex, I would have to go through to remember, I don't, I don't, I don't know. Are you watching Palm Royale? No, no. Is it started the new season? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think there's only been two episodes, maybe three is this week. So good. Okay. On the flip side. Have you ever been misled by a nose? Hmm. No. I think I've been more misled by like Swagger, like somebody who acted like. They had a big dick and they didn't. Yeah. I feel you there. So will this official.

be your type now like big nose only big nose energy already was but now i'm just going to lean into it i love would you ever judge a guy's potential based on his nose alone no i mean there's always outliers okay this is important though if nose length correlates with length do you think nose width correlates with girth could that be a thing interesting you're gonna start looking at everyone's is now small dick Well I'm going to have to I guess I'm going to have to do some research This is for science

Everybody Yeah have you noticed any With related Consistencies I don't think I have But now that I'm thinking about it There was this one And he did kind of have a big nose

It was a And it was a girthy Okay It was all things I was like I Where does it fit Ran into him at the game yesterday.

Brock and I just laughed. He was like on the big screen. Wait, is he a player? He used to be. Yes. Anyway, so let's take another break and then we'll be right back. And as I said earlier, tis the season. I just can't believe how quickly the holidays have approached.

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Wayfair, every style, every home. Okay, we're back. So there's this girl named Sof on TikTok who has been telling a crazy story. So she planned this destination wedding in Spain, booked the venue, deposits paid, guest booked their flights, locked out of everything in for 2026, right? Then, during a family trip to Disney World, her sister announces she's pregnant with her second child, and her due date is literally the same date as the wedding.

Oh, my God. So instead of just saying, oh, well, that's unfortunate timing, the sister and their mom told so if she was selfish for not rescheduling her wedding for them and relayed that this would create a big rift in the family if she doesn't move the wedding date. What? I'm sorry. I'd be like, sis, you won't be at my wedding. It's your second kid. Yeah.

It's not even like your first. You've been trying for so many years and it's like this miracle. Come on. So the venue has no other dates available in 2026. It's locked, fully booked. And now the mom and sister are refusing to attend the wedding in its entirety. Now, I understand the sister. She probably can't be traveling when she's that pregnant. That's fine. You miss your sister's wedding. You got pregnant at the same time. So that's that. But then it's like the mom, now you're going to, it's tough because one daughter is getting married. The other daughter's having a baby, but it is her second baby. That's what I'm saying. It's her second baby. And it's the other daughter's first wedding. So that's, I'm sorry, that is not a tough decision.

That other sister, I'm assuming, has a husband. That husband also has a family. Like she has support. That is not okay. The mom is being, there's something else there because the mom to do that, there's something underlying there. So people in the comment section were saying her sister chose herself, so now Sof needs to choose herself too.

So it's like who is actually being selfish in this situation? You know, I don't think the bride who has everything booked. Yeah. And you can't, like, you can't just change that. You can't get deposits back a lot of times. No, especially like you're going international and all of that. It just, it's crazy. So I do not think she's wrong for not moving her wedding date.

No, she should not move it. But I just taking it to TikTok is a choice because like I'm just saying like, let's see what the people who don't know us think. Because how do you ever recover? Like your family is like on blast. Like right. I just, I know we live in a time where it's like very authentic to like have these conversations and become your own reality show. Yeah. But like understand what comes with making your own reality show. You're going to behave and be treated like that. Yeah. Not great. And I'm wondering if the pregnant sister. is married and, like, ever had a wedding and understands what goes into it. I mean, the seating chart alone is enough to, like, send you. Oh, yeah. So what the fuck are you thinking? No, the sister and the mom, there's something Cinderella steps that, I don't know, it just feels very like, like golden child energy.

Like, why is the mom siding with the sister here? Exactly. That's not cool. There's something weird here, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Do you, I, and here's the thing. I don't think so should feel. guilty because it's like guests have already booked their flights and accommodations and

everything. It's like, no girl, this is your wedding. Yeah. Like hopefully, unless you're me, you only get one. Yeah. So go all out. You know, if your sister's not there, she's not there. It wasn't until like, you know, recently as an adult, I realized that there are moms. I mean, dads too, but parents who are jealous of their children. And like, I just didn't think that that was a possible thing because, again, like, I just have parents that are so, like, excited for, you know, Same, but I've noticed that with other friends of mine too. Yeah. So it feels like, I don't know.

I'd have to like, you know, again, watch these TikToks, but like I would start just thinking that, yeah, the mom has been jealous. Maybe the sister's been jealous and that's how they almost secretly bond. They don't outwardly talk about it, but they have this underlying connection. Yeah. Because obviously, first of all, to have an international wedding means you're doing something really successful in life anyways. So she probably has maybe a more enchanted life than they do.

Right. Who knows? I mean, at the end of the day, it's like your wedding is one of the few moments in your life where you're allowed to make it all about you. Yeah. And some people don't understand that just because it was my second wedding just to make this about me. You know, it was like the way Lala was like, well, I'm going to, you know, Katie's here on her vacation. So I'm going to go to dinner with her and miss your white party. And I'm like, bitch, this gets to be about me.

Yes. Like, come on. Yes. Okay. I don't even try to make my birthdays really about me. me anymore. My 40th, sure. After that, I'm like, we'll do whatever, you know, but like, yes, I understand. I've already been married before. But like, I still get my second wedding to be about me. Yeah. Like, it's like... Him too a little bit, but like, it's about me. Fuck.

Anyway, moving on. I know we've talked about pet cloning a little bit before, but I saw this woman talking about how she lost her dog last December. And in her grief, she decided to clone her pet. So she used a company called Viagin, and I've looked into this because one of my friends is thinking about cloning her dog. So the cost is about 50,000, which, I mean, if you're rich, I guess, and you want to clone your pet, you know, your Paris Hilton, you're like, oh, I want another. That's nothing to you. 50,000 is not affordable for the average person, obviously. But it is becoming more popular. So Paris Hilton is one of them, Tom Brady, Diane von Furstenberg.

they've all admitted to cloning their dogs. Barbara Streisand did it. But now this woman has a brand new puppy that is genetically identical to her old dog. So here's the question. It's like, is it really the same dog? You can't clone like a soul. Yeah.

You know, you can make the physical features look the same. But you can't, I don't see how you can clone a personality. Yeah. Like if I wanted to clone Salem, how can I guarantee that the next cat is going to be as, cuddly and as this as him. Yeah. Tell me you didn't watch Pet Cemetery without telling me you to watch.

Right. I would never clone an animal. Are you crazy? First of all, I mostly hate it because there's so many animals and shelters. It really like gets under my skin when people are like wasting money when there's so many animals in need. But also like, yeah, if that animal

comes back with an evil soul and then tries to kill you in your sleep, I actually hope that happens. You know what? You deserve it. Do you think cloning actually helps with grief or it just delays it? No, I don't think it helps with grief. I think it's not this, you know it's not the same animal. I think it's selfish and I think it's like it's, I think it's kind of narcissistic, honestly, to think that like you need this exact animal. Like, okay, if they were, if they were some prize winning animal that was making you like revenue, like let's say you were getting a million dollars a year because whatever you were entering them in some pet competitions.

I would understand maybe because you're like, this is my revenue stream. Right. If you're just there because you need that comfort of like that exact pet. No, you're a selfish. Yeah. I mean, it's like, okay, genetically, sure the dog is identical, but behavior is shaped by experience, you know, environment, trauma, habits and like all of the things.

So I just don't see how the temperament or demeanor could truly match the previous pet. Let's write a sci-fi movie about this. Yeah. I think it would be really good. It would be good. Yeah, I just, I don't think the animal would have the same soul. No. You know, it just, you can't clone something like that.

And if the body is just a vessel, like, could this actually be a totally different dog wearing an old dog's face? You know? Very much so. Yeah. I mean, 50K. Do you think that's outrageous or iconic? No, I think that's outrageous. Like Britney Spears one said, outrageous.

If money wasn't a question You would only ever consider it if it was a money making animal Yeah, I just I still would never do it And also again like I love it dogs But I have become a cat lady And I'm sorry you could go down the street and pick up a cat Under a car Like they're everywhere

I know they are everywhere Both of mine were found on the street Yeah both of mine too yeah literally Now I mean I don't have any pressure Because obviously it's just me but like let's say summer like one of your pets passed away and she really wanted a clone like would you consider it because it came from your child i mean i truly hope that she doesn't even know she doesn't listen to this podcast thankfully but i don't think she even knows what cloning animals is i don't hope they

die before she finds that out but if she asked about that i may just say that that's not really like a real thing like people just get animals that look the same okay but she knows that when one or both of the cats pass, like, we're going to get another pet for her. She's always going to have a pet. She asked me a couple weeks ago, and it just, like, broke my heart a little. She goes, Mommy, who's older? Penny or Salem? And they said, well, Penny is 16 and Salem is 11. So who does that make older? And she's like, what does that mean? Penny's going to die first? And I was like, oh, I was like, honey, not necessarily. She's like, what do you mean, Salem? And I was like, we don't know. They have different health issues and we just don't know. I said, but I promise you

if one of your kitties goes to kitty heaven we'll get another okay preferably one that kind of looks like Daphne I've always wanted a white fluffy cat So I'm like yes I will be copied Paige Dysorbo in the cat department because that cat did you see The cat did it's obviously

Paige's voice but one of the promos for Palm Royale And then she has like a bit of a British accent I'm Daphne D'Saube I love a posh life Oh my gosh oh my God it was amazing I love that loved it. But yeah, at the end of the day, cloning gives you the same DNA, but it can't give you

the same memories, the same moments, you know, just the same unconditional magic that made you love that pet to begin with. So I don't think I will be cloning either of them. But, you know, if you guys are watching, listening on YouTube, sound off in the comments because I'm curious if you think this is sweet, strange, maybe a combination of both. But yeah, I just thought that's interesting. I've been seeing so much more about it. One of the moms at summer school was like, I'm really thinking about cloning my dog. And I'm like, I mean, you do you, you know. Talk her out of it.

No, talk her out of it. This dog is her firstborn. Just take her to like a really cute shelter. You know, and just get another dog. Right. All right. To wrap it up, the jacks hole this week is in to go to someone who would love for me to continue talking about them.

But I don't want to give them any more agents. on this podcast. Okay. So flowers for the week. I was thinking as I was driving here, Mel Robbins, just for all of her amazing work. She's done, the podcast, the books, and just everything that is helping me literally live a different life

and how I look at things. I would like to give her a bouquet. But also, even though I haven't seen it yet, I'd like to give some Nastassi for hosting the reunion. I cannot imagine. You know, I used to think, like, I really want to be up. host and I want to host this and I want to host that

and then I watch the hosts of these reunions and I'm like, I don't know that I want to be in that chair. It's kind of easier to be a cast member than to have to be the one to rally the troops and wrangle them in and you got this in your ear and this and that. Like, I'm sure it's fun. No, I mean, after my Miami panel at BravoCon. I mean, it's like, yeah, like you don't

I'm happy just sitting on the couch answering the questions. So, Mel Robbins and Stasi, Flowers go to you. Thank you all for listening. Thank you for being here with me again in the studio. Make sure to listen to Kiki Weekdays on Radio Andy's reality tract and you can find her at The Talk of Shame. And if you haven't gotten your copy of my book yet or listen to it, you should do that because it's a New York Times bestseller. And yes, I'm going to talk about that all the time. So off to the gym I go.

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