Science Friday - A Blind Inventor’s Life Of Advocacy And Innovation

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

In Connecting Dots: A Blind Life, inventor Josh Miele recounts his life story and path to becoming an accessibility designer.When inventor and scientist Josh Miele was 4 years old, a neighbor poured sulfuric acid on his head, burning and permanently blinding him. In his new book Connecting Dots: A Blind Life, Miele chronicles what happened afterwards, growing up as a blind kid, and how he built his career as an inventor and designer of adaptive technology.Host Flora Lichtman talks with Dr. Joshua Miele, an Amazon Design Scholar and MacArthur Fellow, or “Genius Grant” recipient. They talk about the inspiration for the book, how he grew into his career, and how disabled people need to be included in the technology revolution.Transcript for this segment will be available after the show airs on sciencefriday.com.  Subscribe to this podcast. Plus, to stay updated on all things science, sign up for Science Friday's newsletters.

This is Science Friday. I'm Flor Lichtman. Today in the podcast, a conversation with blind inventor Josh Mealy about his fight to make the world more accessible. I would rather do it and get in trouble for it than live in a world where we just accept a lack of equal access to information for blind people. When inventor and scientist Josh Mealy was four years old, a neighbor poured sulfuric acid on his head, which burned and permanently blinded him. In his new book called Connecting Dots, A Blind Life, Josh chronicles what happened afterwards. Growing up as a blind kid and how he built his career as an inventor and designer of adaptive technology. Now, Dr. Joshua Mealy is an Amazon design scholar and MacArthur Fellow, aka a Genius Grant recipient. Josh, welcome back to Science Friday.

It's so wonderful to be here. Thanks, Flora. This is a personal book. You tell your story, you know, your family's in it. Why did you want to write it? That's a great question. My work is all about technology and accessibility and raising awareness of blindness and disability inclusion. And I think I just realized that writing a book would be a really powerful way of connecting with people who, number one, may not have any exposure to accessibility or disability.

And number two, of course, I really want to be part of encouraging people who have disabilities to think more deeply about the technology that they use, the rights that we have, the way that we interact in the world and the opportunities that we all have and that technology either allows us to have or gets in the way of having. Let's talk about your family. You write that your mom and your family never left you out of anything because you couldn't see. You all went to the movies and your mom or your sister narrated.

your mom brought you to museums. Can you talk a little bit about this? When I was a child, nobody said to me, you can't do this because you're blind. Everybody always said, let's figure out how you're going to do this as a blind person. My mom was actively, and the culture around me, my family, my teachers, was actively saying,

you need to do things, like encouraging me to do things like, you know, yes, I would go to museums, but my mom would take it the extra step and say, okay, the guard's not looking now, duck under this rope and feel this sculpture. The subversive nature of DIY accessibility, not only self-advocating,

but taking the extra step to do what you have to do, whether it's against the rules or not, to get the access you need in any given context. And my mom was, not only was she willing to do, it. She kind of sought out opportunities to break the rules in order to get me the access that I needed. And as a child, of course, I was horrified by it. I didn't want to break the rules. But of course, it was hugely important in building the skill set and the attitudes that I have as an adult. Such as?

You know, for example, one of the things that I created was an audio description platform. called You Describe that lets anybody in the world add audio description for accessibility for blind people to any YouTube video. And while it doesn't violate the terms of service of YouTube, there's a real gray area there. Like, are we really allowed to annotate somebody else's material? But my attitude about it was, I don't actually care if it's legal or not. I think people need this kind of access, and I would rather do it and get in trouble for it than live in a world where we just accept

a lack of equal access to information for blind people. Yeah, similar to your mom. Just like my mom. What about in school? I mean, you know, as a cited person, I think of science and math often as visual, like equations, diagrams, watching chemicals change color in a beaker.

How did you adapt the course material into something that you could engage with? There are a number of ways in which I interacted with science. And I, of course, learned Braille at a very early age. Braille is a huge tool for blind people who need to be able to write equations or write or read in all sorts of ways. And so I was super lucky to have a teacher who was able to transcribe all my stuff into braille, my math, my science, my English, and all of the work that I would do in braille, she would then take and, you know, with a pen, just write, transcribe on the paper what I had written for my classroom teachers. So, you know, it's a lot of work, but that's the kind of work that was at the time needed to really educate a blind kid in math and science. You know, it's really interesting that you would say that math and science are visual, because of course, that's the way most people do experience them. But when you're blind, my experience of math and science was not visual.

Of course, it's very spatial. when you have a chart or a graph or an equation with a ratio or something like that. But if you represent them by touch, they're still spatial. Yeah. The information is still there and you can still interpret it by touch. So it's really, it's not about vision. It's about space. That distinction between visual and spatial is so helpful.

Thank you. Of course. And when you don't have all of this visual input, our brains are capable. of doing so much non-visual processing, in part because we're not, you know, the brain is no longer being inundated with all this visual information. But we don't, most of us don't bother with it because vision is so useful. So you grew up in New York and you had your heart set on Berkeley because it had a good physics department. You got in and you quickly learned about the cave. Tell us about the cave. When I grew up in New York, I, of course, I was blind.

but I didn't embrace blindness. I didn't know any blind adults. I didn't really have any blind friends. And I didn't really want to. I didn't want to think of myself as blind. I wanted to think of myself as someone who just happened to be blind. And when I went to Berkeley, that really got turned on its head. Because for the first time in my life, I met a community of amazing, smart, funny, clever,

interesting, sweet blind people who were also students at Berkeley and who were adults in the community. Berkeley is, you know, one of the sort of hotspots of disability rights and disability culture. And I didn't know that at all when I came to Berkeley as a undergraduate. I just knew that they had a great physics department. And so I was sort of suddenly plunged into this very disability positive culture at Berkeley and was stunned by it. And it was just amazing. And I realized at that time in the cave, which was a sort of cultural center and educational resource for us, but it was also a place where we all went and would wind up talking and hanging out and doing shots.

Doing shots and, you know, all kinds of other unsavory undergraduate activities. And it was unbelievably enlightening. And I just at that, ever since then, I don't say I just happen to be blind. I say, I am a blind scientist. I am a blind parent. I am a blind musician. And it's because everything that I do in the world is impacted and influenced by my blind experience. and I'm not trying to minimize it.

I'm proud of it. I love that. You recount stories in the book about walking around Berkeley and becoming sort of more and more aware of how useless some of these accessibility modifications are. I would like you to talk to us about ATMs and why they suck. Well, they certainly used to suck. You know, in the book, one of the things, one of the stories that I tell is, you know,

in the late 90s, there were no extra. accessible ATMs. But they did have Braille all over them because they didn't want to put in the effort to make the ATMs talk. I mean, they were computers. They could have talked. But quite frankly, it was a PR move because when sighted people see Braille all over the ATM, they think that it's accessible. But of course, it's not because what the Braille says is, if you need help getting money, go into the bank and ask for help, which is not an accessible device. It's a cop-out. The ATMs are now accessible. If you have a plug-in earphone, you can insert it into the jack and put the other end into your ear, and the ATM will talk to you and you can get your cash out

of it. Just in time, I'll say, for cash to kind of be vanishingly irrelevant. Just in time for it to be useless again in a different way. And now that none of us are carrying earphones anymore because we all use Bluetooth, but it took a lot of work by disability rights activists. And like all the other things in the world, things don't stand still, right? You do the work, you get the benefits, and then the world has moved on to the next thing. And you need to do the work over again. And we can hope that each iteration of new technology and new buildings and new streets is going to be better than the last one. Stick around because after the break, Josh takes his fight to the streets.

I realized that street signs were actually embossed. And I would heave myself up and I could then hold on to the pole with one hand and read the sign with the other hand. One of the stories you recount in the book is the story of you carrying vice grips. around for street signs. Can you just tell us about that? I am all about information accessibility and one of the most pervasive pieces of information that we live with in the world is signage and signs and street signs. When a sighted person looks around in the world, they see signs everywhere and a blind person does not have any access to those. So again, in the late 90s, before GPS, before we had technology that could help blind people know exactly,

where they were, I launched a one-person campaign. I realized that street signs were actually embossed, and that if you could climb up the pole to feel the street sign, you could know what intersection you were at. And this is... So like the eight-foot pole. Yeah, like eight, nine feet. And of course, climbing up a pole is difficult. And so what I came up with was the idea of carrying around basically a clamp that I could clamp onto the pole. at about shoulder height, and I would heave myself up and stand on the clamp, and I could then hold onto the pole with one hand and read the sign with the other hand. And it, of course, was kind of performance art because I would only do it when I absolutely had to, but people

would see me doing it and say, excuse me, what are you doing? And it would give me this opportunity to say, well, I'm trying to find out what street this is. And accessibility is not just about inventing the technologies. It's about creating the opportunities for the conversation about how things can be better. I think that's the perfect segue into some of your mapping inventions. Tell me about them. Maps are another great example of information that everyone who can see has ready access to, but which blind people are limited, very limited. And I wanted maps that could help me get from place to place. Because one of the things that happens, you know, I talked about the street signs, blind people who don't have access to information about where they

are or how the streets are laid out used to have to spend a lot of time getting lost, physically exploring on foot, finding their way from one place to another. And I just felt like that's another example of how we are taxed on our time as people with disabilities. We have to spend more time doing normal things than other people do. So my dream was to build a system that would let blind people have access to tactile street maps of any place they wanted. Tactile means touch, of course. So I created this thing called T-Map, the tactile maps automated production system,

that would take the information about the streets and produce it as a tactile map that could be felt. And it's really important to note that you can't just. take a visual map and make it into something that you can feel because you need to keep the graphics really simple in order to make them readable. So for the first time, blind people had the ability to look at neighborhoods and intersections and parks and campuses to help them plan, to help us plan routes from one place to another or just build a mental map of a place that you wanted to learn more about, you know.

Yeah, to understand the spatial relationships. Exactly. Exactly. Without spending five hours wandering around that region getting lost. Doing it by literally bon foot. On foot. Can we play with one of these? Yeah.

So one of the things that I developed was a set of station maps for the BART system. Bart is the San Francisco Bay Area subway. They are maps of the stations themselves so that when you go into a BART station, it gives you access to knowing where you need to go in the train station to get in and out without getting bluntly lost in the station. So one of the things we did with these BART maps was to use a computer-operated smart pen that when you tap the pen on the map gives you labeling information about what the thing is that you're tapping on. So if I tap on the top of the map, it'll tell me what it is. So it told me the name of the map. It told me the name of the station. It tells me that I'm looking at the concourse level, not the street level.

or the platform level. So you feel it with your finger, and then you use the pen to have it tell you more? Yeah. And you can use this system for all kinds of other things, but using it for maps lets people have access to spatial information about where they want to go and more independence, not only more independence, but more confidence as they travel from one place to another. Do any of these big advances in tech, like AI, you know, these large language, models, robots, are they helpful for making the world more accessible? Are they making the world more

accessible? Technology is always just a tool, but they are only as good as the way the tools are designed. And AI, while it has amazing uses for accessibility, can also be a barrier, for example. Some people thought that they could just use AI to fix inaccessible websites. And in doing so, many of them made websites even less accessible than they would have been without the AI. You know, one of the slogans of the Disability Rights Movement is nothing about us without us. And that applies double or triple or quadruple in the development of technology for accessibility and disability. I have to tell you, after I read your book, I started to really see the world differently. Like, I just became much more aware of the bumps on the sidewalk or the braille on the elevator buttons.

And I wasn't just like noticing that they exist, but wondering whether it was useful. And so I just want to thank you for that. Thanks for making me, you know, more curious about the world. I appreciate it. I want to thank you for noticing it. And I want to thank you for taking from this book, I think, what I had tried to put into it. Dr. Joshua Mealy is an inventor and adaptive technology designer and the author of Connecting Dots, A Blind Life. And that is about all we have time for.

Lots of folks helped to make the show happen, including Diana Plasker, Jordan Smudjik, Emma Gomez. Valisa Mayors. I'm Flora Lichtman. Thanks for listening.