Science Friday - Restoring Drinking Water After Hurricane Helene | Oyster Shell Reefs And Sea Level Rise

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

Fifty-three days after Hurricane Helene, residents of Asheville can safely drink their tap water without boiling it. Why did it take so long? And, tribes’ historic lands on the Gulf Coast are being ...lost to the sea. To slow it down, one tribe has turned to oyster shells.The Struggle To Restore Drinking Water After Hurricane HeleneWhen Hurricane Helene barrelled through the southeastern US in September, it dumped an estimated 40 trillion gallons of water on the region. That resulted in immense flooding that destroyed roads, buildings, power lines, and other infrastructure.And it also impacted the region’s potable water supply. For weeks, residents in Asheville, North Carolina, didn’t have access to clean drinking water because the extensive flooding washed large amounts of sediment into the local reservoir. As of Monday, limited access to potable water was restored, marking the first time in 53 days that local residents didn’t have to boil tap water to drink it.Before that access was restored, we heard from listeners Sarah and Alison in Asheville who had their own questions about the water quality in their city, and the science behind sediment issues in a local reservoir.Guest host and SciFri producer Kathleen Davis is joined by Dr. Sarah Ledford, associate professor of geosciences at Georgia State University, to figure out why it can take so long for cities to clean their potable water after a storm like this and what other regions expect from the aftermath of future extreme weather.Using Oyster Shell Reefs To Counter Sea Level Rise In LouisianaOn a hot Friday morning, the sun beat down on volunteers gathered at the edge of the water in southern Plaquemines Parish. They passed heavy sacks of oyster shells to each other down a line. The volunteers loaded the shells onto boats to use them for building an oyster reef to help slow land loss in Grand Bayou Indian Village.“The oyster reef is a living thing. Baby oysters are going to attach to it. It’s going to grow. It’s going to become bigger,” said James Karst with the Coalition for Coastal Louisiana, the organization that built the reef. “But when the sea level rises, because oysters are growing on it, it will grow vertically as well, so it will continue to add protection.”Louisiana’s land loss is an existential crisis for many of the tribes who live along the coast. Grand Bayou Indian Village, a small community, home to the Atakapa-Ishak/Chawasha tribe, is watching its lands wash away. Nearly 1,000 people lived in the village in the 1940s, but now there are only about a dozen homes raised on stilts right along the edge of the bayou. Boats are the only way to get around.“You can look at the GPS and it will indicate a different color for where land is,” said Karst. “You’ll be looking at this on the screen, then you’ll look up and there is no land there. It’s just open water.”Volunteers built the reef by stacking bags of recycled oyster shells in the water, up and down the shoreline. The shells came from restaurants in New Orleans. The coalition recently expanded its oyster recycling services to Baton Rouge.Read the full story at sciencefriday.com.Transcripts for each segment will be available after the show airs on sciencefriday.com. Subscribe to this podcast. Plus, to stay updated on all things science, sign up for Science Friday's newsletters.

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Starting point is 00:00:03 How can oyster shells be used to fight climate change? You could really see how the reef is slowing down the water. Like there's waves on one side, but the water between the oyster reef and the mound was almost completely still. It's Tuesday, November 26th, and you're listening to Science Friday. I'm SciFri producer Dee Petersmith. Later in the episode, we're going to find out why a coastal tribe near New Orleans is building oyster reefs to lessen the effects of rising sea levels in their community. But first, we're going to check in on Asheville, North Carolina, which was, was only able to restore clean drinking water 53 days after Hurricane Helene.
Starting point is 00:00:40 Why did it take so long? And what can other cities do to protect their drinking water supply after a massive storm? Here's Sifright guest host Kathleen Davis. When Hurricane Helene barreled through the Southeast U.S. in September, it dumped an estimated 40 trillion gallons of water onto the region. That resulted in immense flooding, which destroyed roads, buildings, power lines, and other infrastructure. And it also impacted the region's potable water supply. For weeks, residents in Asheville didn't have access to drinking water, which comes from a local reservoir. And we actually
Starting point is 00:01:17 heard from two listeners based in Asheville who had some questions about why this purification process can take so long. Hi, Science Friday. This is Sarah and Allison from Asheville, North Carolina. Unfortunately, the storm destroyed all of the main distribution lines coming from our reservoir. leaving the entire city without running water for weeks. But now that those lines are mainly functional, the reservoir turbidity levels are so high that they cannot run the sediment-filled water through our treatment plant. We'd like to know more about the science behind the turbidity issue
Starting point is 00:01:51 and why, even though it has been dry for weeks after the storm, the sediment won't settle. It feels like this is an intersection of geology, chemistry, even physics, the impacts our everyday lives. So we might as well be curious and learn from it. We love the show so much. Thank you. And also we'd like to say thanks to all the Water Resource Department employees and outside helpers that have been working tirelessly on this issue on behalf of the city of Asheville.
Starting point is 00:02:20 That was recorded shortly before. Limited potable water access was restored earlier this week, marking the first time in 53 days that its residents didn't have to boil tap water. So why can it take? so long for cities to clean their potable water after a storm like this. And what could other regions expect from the aftermath of future extreme weather? Here to tell us more is my guest, Dr. Sarah Ledford, Associate Professor of Geosciences at Georgia State University, based in Atlanta, Georgia. She studies the role and impact of water in urban areas. Dr. Ledford, welcome to Science Friday.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Thank you so much for having me. So can you sum up for listeners, what's happened to Astridles water and the region since Hurricane Helene. Yes, absolutely. I think there's really been three steps in the process after waters receded. The first is the rebuilding of any infrastructure that was washed out. So if pipes were washed away, those had to be rebuilt. We had to get power back up to the water treatment plant. The second problem is exactly what the callers were talking about, which was the
Starting point is 00:03:29 unprecedented volume of water that came in. washed huge amounts of sediment into the reservoir. And in the mountains of North Carolina, that includes a lot of clays. And clays take a long time to settle to the bottom, but we can't put that water through the drinking water process until those clays are removed. And so that's a lot of what the Asheville Water Department was working on, was trying to do what they could to speed up that process of clay settling. And then the final problem is that after the water is potable,
Starting point is 00:04:02 the drinking water plant, the entire system has to be flushed so that we can make sure all pipes throughout the whole distribution network have clean and safe water. So it sounds to me like, you know, city treatment plants are set up to filter certain things, but maybe they're not set up to filter things that are unusual like clay. Yeah, for many places, the, especially ones that pull water from a drinking water reservoir, that reservoir is sort of the assumed place where settling will happen. Other places that might pull water from a stream or river may actually have a tank in their system where they do settling. But when you have a reservoir that usually does this process very well for you, why would you build extra infrastructure that you don't typically need?
Starting point is 00:04:47 Yeah. So our listeners mentioned that the water in the reservoir has a high turbidity level. I'm not very familiar with this concept. So what is high turbidity and what does it have to do with potable water. So high turbidity is basically a measure of how much light gets scattered by water. When you have water that is very clear, light that you put into that water can go on basically forever before it gets scattered or reflected back to the measurement device. When you have water that is full of sediment, especially clays, that light can't get very far before it reflects back to you. It looks cloudy to us as humans. And so high turbidity is used as a surrogate measure for high sediment in the water. So our listeners, Sarah and Allison, asked why the sediment in the water is negatively charged
Starting point is 00:05:36 and flat shaped. How does that impact the purification process? Yeah, clays are a byproduct of a lot of long, long processes of weathering of rock. And clay minerals, which make up most of what we colloquially call clay are what are called phylo-silicates. And these are a class of minerals that are formed in sheets. And so that's why the clay is flat, is that the way that all of the atoms are bonded together results in sheet-like formations. The other thing that clays have is they have a high static electricity on the outside of the clays because those oxygen atoms that are at the outside of those bonds result in those sheets of clay having a negative charge on the outside. And then when negative comes close to negative or two clay particles come near each other, they're going to
Starting point is 00:06:30 repel each other because they're both negative. So our next question is also from our listeners. They're using aluminum sulfate and clastic soda to try and bring the turbidity down. How do those chemicals interact with the sediment? So yeah, how do you even begin to clean this? So what they're using are actually techniques that are typically used at wastewater treatment plants, because this is a process we do when we treat wastewater at the other end of the system. They're trying to get the sediment to form into flocks. And what that means are just larger particles. So the chemicals that they're adding are trying to overcome that negative repelling action
Starting point is 00:07:07 and cause clay particles to start to stick together. And then the larger and larger the particle becomes, the easier it is for gravity to pull it to the bottom of the lake, and then they can pull the clean water from the top of the lake into the drinking water plant to be treated. Okay. So our most recent update from Asheville is that the water is safe to drink, but it's not totally clean yet. And city officials are recommending to not use large amounts of the water for landscaping and long showers. How long might it take for things to get completely normal? The good news is that if the city is saying it's safe to drink, that means that there's no bacteria or pathogens in the water.
Starting point is 00:07:44 And as humans, that's really one of our biggest concerns about safe drinking water. We don't want anything that's going to make us sick in the water. From my reading, it sounds like the turbidity is still a little bit high, but it's coming down very quickly and much closer to the pre-Hilene conditions. And so I don't know that we really have a clock at this point because the city has said it's safe to drink. The other question, though, I think really has to do with the volume of water. and that's probably why they're encouraging folks not to water their lawns. They want to make sure that the water is being used for the most important purposes and for human consumption because it may still be waiting for other parts of the lake to have the turbidity come down,
Starting point is 00:08:26 and we don't want to pull too much volume off the lake into the treatment plant. So after the hurricane, there was a lot of news around Asheville that it could no longer be considered a climate haven. We're going to continue to see more extreme weather. events like this in the future. Can other regions expect this kind of problem with their drinking water if it's based in an open air reservoir that maybe they haven't experienced before? I think absolutely. I think what we know about climate change is that it's increasing the ability of the atmosphere to hold water vapor, which means extreme precipitation events are going to become more likely. The other compounding factor that we get in regards to drinking water reservoirs
Starting point is 00:09:09 and climate change is wildfires. One of the things that helps keep sediment from flowing off the environment into a drinking water reservoir is the vegetation that holds all that material in place. I think another really big risk that we have coming forward is if areas that have had wildfires come through, get large rain events on them afterwards, that are areas that are source water for a drinking water reservoir. We're very likely to have a similar problem, potentially even with less rain. Is there a way for local governments to prepare for this? Continuing to try and make sure your source water area is protected, that it's not being developed, because that's going to be the best chance that we have for keeping vegetation in place.
Starting point is 00:09:53 I think that's a really key piece of the puzzle. Another one is continuing to use controlled burns to mimic the natural wildfire patterns, which will then hopefully decrease the ability for a, very extreme wildfire to come through and do as much damage is another key piece. So you study community engagement in urban water management. Do you have any thoughts about how residents of Asheville and other cities can get more involved in their water systems in this kind of context? Yeah, I always encourage everyone to try and do what they can to understand where the money
Starting point is 00:10:30 that they pay in their bills is going. So you're paying a water in a sewer bill every month if you're getting drinking water, from a centralized system like this, how is that money being distributed? I also encourage people to continue to try and understand the double whammy that many drinking water facilities are facing, which is the potential that they're going to have to treat new and more difficult chemicals, for example, PFAS concerns, while also making up for the fact that across the United States, overall, we've underinvested in our infrastructure and we're having to play catch up to repair it and get it back up to the best quality.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Well, that is all the time that we have for now. Thank you so much for explaining this to us. Thank you for having me. Dr. Sarah Ledford, Associate Professor of Geosciences at Georgia State University based in Atlanta. And thank you to our listeners, Sarah and Allison from Asheville, North Carolina, for writing in. If you have a science question about an issue in your city, you can reach out to us at SciFri at ScienceFriad.com. That's SciFri at Science Friday.com. After the break, how recycled oyster shells from restaurants are helping a Gulf Coast tribe slow down sea level rise.
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Starting point is 00:12:39 You can go to Science Friday.com slash support to make your gift. Thank you and happy holidays. It's time to check in on the state of science. This is KERNO, St. Louis Public Radio News. Iowa Public Radio News. Local science stories of national significance. As we're seeing sea levels rise across the world, we're also seeing how communities close to the water are responding differently to it.
Starting point is 00:13:13 In Louisiana's Grand Bayou Indian Village near New Orleans, tribes are witnessing their historic lands disappear underwater. And their solution, for now, is oysters. Here to tell us more is my guest, Eva Tesfai, coastal reporter at WWNO in New Orleans. Eva, welcome back to Science Friday. Thanks for having me. So can you tell us about what this tribe has been going through? Yeah, so like you said, Grand Bayou Indian Village, it's about an hour south of New Orleans. Orleans. It's in Plaquemines Parish along the Mississippi River. It's home to the Atacapa Ishaqshawaha
Starting point is 00:13:50 tribe. It's a very small village. In the 40s, there was about a thousand people living there, and now there's only about a dozen. They live in the marsh, and you can only get around by boat. So that means all the homes have been raised on stilts to help deal with hurricanes, and they've lost a lot of people. A lot of people have moved out, but they're also losing. And that's obviously due to sea level rise. That's driven by climate change and it's causing their land to disappear. And I've heard that this is getting so bad that GPS maps aren't even accurate anymore. Is that right? Yeah. One person I was talking to while I was down there says sometimes you'll be like looking at the GPS and you'll see land on the map and then you just look up and it's all water. Oh my gosh. So tell me how oysters play into all of this.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Right. So this was a project between Grand Bayou and the Coalition to Protect Coastal Louisiana. Basically, the coalition brought a bunch of volunteers and a bunch of bags of recycled oyster shells. And they had the volunteers stack the shells all along the shoreline in front of people's houses. So these shells will help slow the water and help protect that land from erosion. But it's also a living reef. So oysters will attach. It'll create this beautiful little ecosystem. And that means the reef will also grow as the sea level rises and continue providing that protection. And you were there. Was it easy to see the effect that these oysters were having? Yeah. So this was the second time the coalition has done this kind of project with Grand Bayou. They actually chose to do this to protect one of their sacred mounds first. That's called the Lemon Tree Mound. So we went to go see how that reef was doing. It was installed about two years ago. And Richie Blount. Link was the boat captain. He took us out there. He runs Delta Discovery Tours. He pointed out how the oysters and other critters are already attaching to the reef. So this is an oyster drill
Starting point is 00:15:52 conch. So this is a predatory snail that actually eats oysters. So that's just telling us that there's oysters that are actually here. Fishermen don't like these very much. So there are all these snails and crabs and things attached to the reef. And what I also noticed is you could really see how the reef is slowing down the water. Like there's waves on one side, but the water between the oyster reef and the mound was almost completely still. Wow. So I can imagine we're talking about a lot of oysters here, right? Where is the tribe getting them? Yeah, the reef they built to protect their homes was 900 feet long. So yeah, that's like thousands of oyster shells. And yeah, they get them from restaurants in New Orleans. The coalition also just expanded to collecting from restaurants in
Starting point is 00:16:38 Baton Rouge. So it's kind of a nice. nice way to recycle these oyster shells and bring them back into the environment. So this starts with recycled oyster shells, but then it becomes a place for living oysters and other kinds of marine animals. At the same time, it makes flooding from storms less of an issue, but they can only help so much, I'm guessing. Is that a correct read on that? Yeah, I talked to Rosina Philippe. She's a tribal council member and the tribe's knowledge holder, And she talked about that. She basically said they know it won't be enough to stop the land from disappearing completely, especially for lemon tree mound.
Starting point is 00:17:16 It will eventually succumb to the waters and the waves, which is okay. But the reef that was created there will serve as not only a marker of where that site was, but it actually encourages marine life to congregate there and to repopulate the area. So basically it's worth it anyway because they're taking care of not only their land, but they're also taking care of the marine environment. So what would this tribe do if their land disappears? Well, they're not going to leave. Philippe made that very clear to me that this is their home and they're going to stay no matter what. And like I said, they already raised their homes on stilts.
Starting point is 00:18:01 They're also looking into floating houses and gardens and other. adaptation methods. Vlip says they're historically a water people, like they would move to adapt to the water as it changed historically. So now they're just returning to that way of life and relearning how to live with water. Well, that's all the time that we have for now. I'd like to thank my guest, Eva Tesfi, Coastal Desk Reporter for WWNO in New Orleans. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. One last thing before we go. Are you thinking about getting books for the curious young minds in your life, but you need some suggestions. We're covering the best science books for kids from this year, and we want to know more about who you have
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