SciShow Tangents - Bonus Backlog Bonanza - Ep. 12

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

This bonus episode was originally posted on Patreon on March 4, 2022 titled "Tangents Bonus Pod Ep 12: Talking Tuna!"Original Patreon description: We're chatting with our sound designer Tuna about his human form, and fish compatriot!SciShow Tangents is on YouTube! Go to www.youtube.com/scishowtangents!And go to https://complexly.store/collections/scishow-tangents to buy some great Tangents merch!While you're at it, check out the Tangents crew on socials:Ceri: @ceriley.bsky.social@rhinoceri on InstagramSam: @im-sam-schultz.bsky.social@im_sam_schultz on InstagramHank: @hankgreen on X

Hello and welcome to the SciShow Tangents bonus Patreon podcast. This month Hank is off preparing for Project for Awesome, which is this weekend, if I get this edited fast enough, I'll cut it out if I didn't. So we've been left to our own devices. And what we decided we wanted to do more than anything else in the world with Hank on was talk to our very own engineer Tuna in a special episode that we like to call

Talkin' Tuna. Hello. Whether you know it or not, every time you listen to Seishu Tangents, you're listening to Tuna sitting quietly, keeping scores during games, making notes and making sure also that we don't make any super bonehead mistakes. Tuna, does that sum up what you do pretty much? Pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't have to, I really don't... You guys don't make that many mistakes.

And like, occasionally when you do, everybody else gets to it quicker, because I'm muted, so... It is hard. When there is a mistake made, generally, not really his fault. It is Hank's fault. Uh... Because he's just forgotten to say something important. Yeah. And then we all have to be like, hey, hey, hey.

And he's just like, he's just off on his own thing. And you got to really wave your arms around to get his attention. You've done it. You've caught us before. Yeah. Well, because I think the thing that Hank does is his brain moves faster than his mouth, which is impressive because that dude's mouth moves real fast. He's a very fast talker. Well, do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself, Tuna? The people want to know, when we asked for questions about you, we got more than we've ever gotten.

I don't know. I don't feel like I'm that interesting. I do sound design, I do music. I think you're exceptionally interesting. I do too. Your shirt says Mrs. Ghost on it. That's interesting. Oh yeah, that's a band whose album I'm mixing. Oh my gosh, see that's interesting.

It should be out in the next couple of months, I think. Oh, I hope. Well, you've very gracefully avoided the question of answering anything about yourself. And I respect that about you, Tuna. Thank you. You're a mystery man. I'm a very secretive man. We don't know anything.

We've known Tuna for years and still I don't know his real name. It's just Tuna. Well, Tuna is his real name. Yeah. That's... It's weird because my first name is Joe or Joseph. It still, it throws me off when people call me that. If someone was like, hey, go talk to Joe, even if I knew like the context of someone at work, I'd still be like, what are you talking about? Oh, and if somebody came up to me and said, oh, they told me to talk to Joe, I'd be like,

did we hire somebody new? I don't know who that is. I only know what town you're from because you're from the same town that I'm from. I feel like I wouldn't know if I wasn't from there too. That's probably true. But even that is like, I feel like there's a comradery between us because of that.

Like, I don't know about you, Butte has a reputation in Montana. And I learned real quick to probably not say anything about it, because an awful lot of people just wanna fight me cause I'm from Butte. Oh yeah. I mean, the reputation is that we are violent, but the reality of it is that people will want to beat you up if you say you're from Butte.

We are less violent than everyone else in the state. Yeah, well, and that's, so here's the fact about me. I'm a big soft boy. I don't think I could win in a fight. Well, anyway, we've learned nothing about Tuna, but maybe we'll learn a little bit about him now, because in honor of Tuna, we have questions from our audience, like I mentioned, about the man himself that came pouring in mailboxes full. But also we're gonna talk about his kin, the noble fish. So let's start with a question about human tuna, shall we? Charlie Espinosa asks, when did you start working with Complexly?

I love all the sound design. That last person on the question. Yeah, but I enjoyed it anyway. I started working for Complexly in 2017? March 2017, I think. That seems right. Yeah, I didn't start as a sound designer. No, you were a video maker.

Video maker for SciShow. I did a lot of SciShow Psych, and what else did I do? Quiz shows and talk shows when those were still a thing. Quiz show, if you don't know, is one of the, it's not like a spin-off, it's just like a sub-episode type of the YouTube series, SciShow, where Hank would play like a game show against a guest.

Sam and I have both been on it as contestants. So if you wanna see our faces instead of just our voice. Our faces from like five years ago? Yeah. We look completely different. Yeah. I'm gonna throw it out there. If you're looking for a quiz show to introduce ya, my favorite one ever was the Tangents one where, yeah, Sam did the Prize Zone and Sari did the posting the explanation bits.

Who was the... Oh, and Stefan was playing the game? Yeah, and it was just a ton of fun. And I loved those because I got to put in a bunch of like, like I got to do weird graphical stuff, but I also got to play more with sound effects and whatnot. So. Oh, okay. I'll link that in the episode description.

Yeah, that's my favorite quiz show episodes. So pretty straightforward answer to that question, 2017. All right, but the second part of that, I love all the sound design. I very much appreciate that. I cannot take all of the credit because I know Michael Aranda did some for a while, like he used to do kids.

And then Callie Dishman, and she currently works for Complexly 2 now, and so she does a bunch of sound design. So just all sorts of people doing good sound design. Okay, you ready for some excellent questions about fish? Yeah, I don't know much about them except that they're delicious. Well, Tuna, you were supposed to research all of these questions. Oh, now!

Yeah, I'm just here to cheer you on. I go, woo, Tuna. Megan asks, how do fish not get lost in the open ocean? It's just all blue. Great question. How would you know where you're going? I don't have any guesses even. I mean, it must be like magnets or tides.

Is it tides and magnets? Not tides. What's that called? Streams. Jet streams. Yeah. Does it even appear blue to fish, though? Yeah, and maybe fish see different.

Yeah, I would assume because like our eyes are built for atmosphere. And so like the reason it looks blue to us is because it's cutting out all of the light frequencies that aren't blue. But like fish would live there naturally. So like why would they look at it blue? You know, are we on anything close to a right track, Sari? I think so, because I think we don't know a lot about fish. So you're on the right track because there are so many answers to this question. Basically, it's like, I don't think sight is a huge one, but I will talk about it in a little bit, but it seems like a lot of it is chemoreception. So like smelling or tasting different chemicals in the water because different environments

have different particles there that like have different chemical signatures. So when salmon- So like if you're like, I taste like a reef nearby. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Or like I taste like a salmon could be migrating and be like, ah, this river tastes like home, so I'm in the right place. Curing and water pressure is like one of the ways

that they can cluster together. Because that's why you're not supposed to tap on the glass at an aquarium, right? It's because the sound waves. The sound travels way better in water than it does in air. Messes with them. And like coral reefs are really, really loud places. So like bustling ecosystems, not necessarily finding Nemo where they're yelling, but they're

blooping around there. Like a fish metropolis. Yeah. And then magnetic fields, we think they have the ability to sense it, especially the migratory fishes of which tuna are one. So like bluefin tuna migrate from near Japan, like all across the Pacific Ocean towards California over years and years of their life, which is like farther than I thought,

but it makes sense because they get really girthy. So you need a lot of swimming and a lot of eating for that. But this is where I don't think we quite understand, but where vision may play into it is bluefin tuna make sharp dives and ascents. So like down and up in the deep water around dawn and dusk, they're called spike dives, which is very like a weird behavior. Scientists have made all these hypotheses about why these spike dives happen. Some of them think that it's just like another way to hunt prey. So like by going down and up, you can flush out little fish that are edible or just like

scan a broad spectrum of the ocean. But in this 2009 study, they noticed that the dives were timed with respect to sunrise and sunset. So it might have to do with timing of day and specifically navigation, like what they can see. And this is where it gets a little wibbly cause I don't understand it, but like light polarization

towards the surface of the ocean compared to deeper in the ocean. So it's almost like they're peeping up towards the surface to be like, okay, where's the light? Like, where's the light reflecting off of here? So they can like orient themselves in the ocean and help with their migratory pattern or figure out where they are in the great big blue.

Okay, ready for another fish question? Oh, I thought I was gonna get a break. Yes, I can answer another fish question. We're doing two. Oh no. Paradox Pixie asks, are there any fish with eyelids? I feel like a shark would be the only option here maybe. But they probably have like membrane.

I don't count that. Like a fish can close their eyes and take a nap. Tuna, do you have any thoughts? I didn't know that fish didn't have eyelids. Do fish not have eyelids? Is that a thing? Well, picture a fish, Tuna. Its eyes are like boing-boing.

Oh yeah, but if I picture a human, their eyes are open too. But also the membrane thing throws me off. Like you cutting that out of the definition. Cause I think in my mind, that's still eyelid. I can't think of anything in the ocean that would close its eye. Do like, whales? Do dolphins have eyelids? Yeah.

I think dolphins and whales have eyelids. I think they just don't blink as much. Now that I'm looking at a dolphin, they obviously do. Okay, do fish have, are there any fish with eyelids? So most fish don't have eyelids. Most, eh? Wow. Tunas, for example, don't have eyelids.

So their eyes are always open, staring into the abyss. Yes. That part I understand a lot, yeah. Yeah. And we're not so sure whether they sleep or not, because usually, because we're humans, we think like, oh, you gotta close your eyes to be able to sleep. And even thinking about cats, it's like, ah, like that's when their eyes are closed, when they're being cute and sleeping.

So we don't know if tunas sleep. So do we not even know if they have like periods of different like brain activity where they're resting? Like they might not even be able to rest at all? Yes, because we're not sure, like we think fish have different patterns of brain activity when they're resting than mammals do. And so we know that tuna might release melatonin, but we're not sure like how that affects their daily rhythm because melatonin for us is like very correlated with sleep, but we don't know if it's correlated with rest in fish in the same way. So we assume that they rest because they going all the time would be very exhausting but we just

don't know like to what extent or in what way. Can they put is there a way to put like a fish in an MRI? How would we study can you or like the thing with the electrodes that you attach to their head to measure the brain waves? Can you do that to a fish? I wonder if something about them being underwater makes it very hard to do that, where like you can't do that. But I don't know enough about electricity.

Yeah, we just don't know enough about fish or electric. And well, electricity is even harder to know about than fish. don't know enough about fish or electric, and well, and electricity is even harder to know about than fish, so. Yeah, I don't know if we have, like, if we could measure the, a fish's electrical activity, if there would be even a significant difference between when it was not sleeping and sleeping or like whatever rest state it's in, because human brains are so active relative to it, and like fish brains are probably not that active. But there's any fish, but you said so most fish don't have eyelids.

Yeah, we got a little sidetracked, but there are some fish that do have what are called adipose eyelids, which is misleading of a name, because adipose is like fat tissue. And these eyelids are not made of fat tissue. When they're studied, histological eyelids are not made of fat tissue. When they're studied, they're made of like histological samples are made of them. Like I read one paper and it said no adipose tissue was found in any of the three layers of the so-called adipose eyelid.

So horrible naming, whoever did it, awful job. But it is- Do you know why they did it? No, I don't. They probably just looked at it and was like, that looks kind of fleshy and fatty. It's not like a movable eyelid, as far as I can tell. So it's not like ours, where there are muscles where it can blink. It's more like, like either a partial or full coating over the eyeball. And we're not entirely sure why they exist,

but guesses involve either either acting as a lens because a lot of this tissue is clear. So either helping focus light or protecting from UV light, especially if the fish are towards the surface of the ocean, like UV radiation. It might just protect from debris generally because there's a bunch of junk in the ocean. Does every fish have this or not? No, not at all. So some fish just have shit going into their eyes

all the time. Most commonly in deep sea fish, but also some other bony fish species. It kind of sounds like we don't know a lot about fish. Is that accurate? Yes, I think so. I know that fish biologists would probably dare to disagree, but I think a lot about fish

and fish biology are mysterious. And I think particularly it's hard to study fish because it's easy to catch them for food because you bring them out of the water and then you kill them. But like studying them in their natural habitats and the fact that they move so much. Like it's really hard to simulate the natural environment. Like you can't, you can have aquariums, but that's not...

But their fish are going to be like, what the hell is going on here? Yeah, there's so much in like a natural environment that you can't simulate in a tank. And the expeditions down in like submarines are so few and far between. Yeah. And then when you're down in one, then you like see a fish and then it disappears. It's not like you can follow a fish for days and days.

You're like, what are you up to down here? What is it that we don't even know as eels? Like we don't know even like anything about their life cycle or something like that. Yeah, we don't know what happens. They just end up somewhere and we don't know how. They go to a secret place in the Sargasso Sea and like apparently mate, but we never seen like young eels.

Cause we don't know what happened. Like they come back fully grown to an adult again or like a juvenile, but we haven't seen like what baby eels are like, and we haven't been able to get- I bet they're so cute. Yeah. Oh yeah, they gotta be adorable. Okay, ready for a Tuna question now, the man.

Tuna the human being. Miss Brock asks, how many times has a joke or comment made you laugh during recording? Wasn't there a time when Hank would try to make you laugh? You're always laughing Yeah, I laugh a lot like even like we record my audio track Just in case in editing like if I ask you a question or something. Yeah It's like it's recorded so we can put it in the episode most of the time we don't so it's just like

It's just a audio recording of me. Yeah. Silent in my living. Just, yeah. Cackling once in a while. Like, yeah. And, and so I laugh all the time, but I don't think anybody's ever tried to make me laugh. Like the only time I can think of, I don't think you even tried to make me laugh. Uh, but like one of the pilot episodes we did when we were first developing tangents, I

think Sari pulled up my favorite YouTube video ever. Oh yeah. It's a baby wheel, Jay. I just lost my mind completely listening to it. And I will say that is one of the nice things about we've gone to remote recording since the pandemic started. So like we're not all in the same room anymore. And it's so much easier because before we were all in a room and I couldn't laugh because it would end up

in the episode whether we wanted to or not. And we did not want it to. No, we had a very bad set up. Oh man, it's now I can just laugh whenever. I don't have to hold it in. I can just, I can feel the joy. Well, I edited the baby whale episode. I don't think I had ever edited it

because it was like a sample episode or something. Or like, maybe I had a long time ago and I lost a file or something, but I did it for a P for A perk. And I was so mad at you guys for laughing so damn long at that baby whale video. Oh. It was so long.

I think I eliminated any mention of the baby whale video. Yeah. I don't think I made that cut. It was probably not great radio, but man, I do love that video. It cracks me up every time. Well, we can always see Tuna's little square on our video call laughing. It's true. It's nice. And then Miss Brock also asks, how do you manage the sound and make the quality so good when recording from video calls?

And I wanted to include this one just so we could talk about how we record the show a little bit. Which is not recording a video call. No, we have the video call that we're all like hearing each other on, but everybody records their own audio separately and then sends it to Sam. I don't think it's ever made it into, I think I've done one or two that I put into Dear Hank and John,

but like at the beginning of the call everybody just goes, somebody, usually Hank will go three, two, one, start, and then everybody else just says start at the same time, and then it's synced up so that everybody's at least like within that general reference point. But like there's lag and stuff, so you still have to nudge things around. But yeah, but we're all, we're all recording into our computers or into a external recorder with microphones. So no video call audio, but Tuna does, I think, record a backup of the calls. Yeah, I've got that. I have that all recorded so that just in case something goes wrong,

we've got the video, the audio from the video call if we need it. So someday you might hear Ceri's voice in very bad quality. You can. I'm SciShow P, I feel like. Hank just recorded his freaking screen. Oh, that's true. And if you go into that one, you can hear me cackling like a maniac. Yeah. I think it was somebody on discord.

Maybe it was rift. Somebody was just like, oh, it's really good to hear tuna laughing. I'm like, I did not know that I was going to be, you were just going to add in all the laughter. I forgot about that. He just went rogue at the beginning of that, of that recording and was like, I'm recording, I'm going to take a video of this. And I didn't even think about how

crummy our sound was gonna be. And how unedited it was gonna be because he just has the password. And how he just slapped the whole thing up. Well, yeah, because we all sent him the audio thinking he was gonna sync it up and edit it. And then he was just like, eh. That's fine.

I'm just gonna upload this. You know what's up there, yeah, if you wanna see what the real recording experience is like, go to SciShow P. You'll see all our bad jokes mostly. Only the good jokes make it into the final edit, but the bad ones maybe. You only hear half of what we do

every recording, basically. I don't know if I ever told you that. There was one time where I did end up getting asked a question on. A tuna secret. Yeah, it was, something came up about riding elephants at the circus, and I think I was the only one who had ever done that It was in an episode. Oh, yeah, but like there was some setting on my mic that was messed up when I recorded it

So when you sent it to me to mix it, I Rerecorded my entire I just ADR'd myself Yeah, and like and I definitely cut out a little thing that you had left in there that I was like Oh, man, I sound like such a goober when I said that I'm just gonna not put that back in there I did like three takes of every sentence. I said You're a mad man. It could have just sounded shitty too and it's okay It could have well and that's the thing is if it was just the audio quality. But you respect the audience that much Yeah

Well, and it's like if I'm gonna show was just the audio quality. But you respect the audience that much. Yeah. Well, and it's like if I'm gonna show up once in every 200 episodes of SciShow Tangents, I don't wanna like blow it, you know? Yeah. Yeah, not like us. We blow it every week. Yeah, we get to blow it. That's why you're not on very often, cause every time that you talk, I just think, no, no more tuna. That's true. We've actually been recording for two hours at this point,

and I guarantee whatever you, the listener, are hearing is much shorter than that. About 10 minutes long. And Tuna actually isn't gonna talk that much in it, so. Yeah, and everything I have said also 80 yard after the fact so that I can rephrase it better. I have a voice modulator that makes me sound like Tuna. No.

No. I actually have a soundboard that suggests Tuna's laughter. So like every time you've heard him laugh is actually him from one of the past episodes that I've just captured. There was a thread going around the other day about the internet in the 90s and I was talking about soundboards and that was such a formative part of our, my young life at least. I never used one for a prank call or anything, but...

Oh, I totally did. You did? Yeah. I prank called Wendy's with a prank call or anything, but... Oh, I totally did. You did? Yeah, I prank called Wendy's with a soundboard a couple times. Oh, no. Why though? They're just trying their best over there. Oh, like, I think they thought it was funny, because they thought I was just a deranged person, because they definitely called people over and they were like, you gotta come hear this.

What soundboard was it? Ugh, I don't know. I think it was like Jack Black or something. Oh, I remember the Jack Black soundboard. Or maybe it was Arnold Jack Black or something. I was very into Tenacious D. Oh, I remember the Jack Black sound. Or maybe it was Arnold Schwarzenegger. That was another one. But that one was too obvious, you know? Yeah. The Jack Black one had a lot of talk

about different fast food orders. That's why he used it. That one makes sense. He needs a Cherry's Jubilee. Those were, and those were my earliest forays into like recording, like phone call podcast kind of things. See, now we're getting somewhere, Tuna. Were you a naughty boy when you were a kid? into like recording like phone call podcast kind of things. Yeah. Now we're getting somewhere Tuna.

Were you a naughty boy when you were a kid? Did you do bad stuff? Not really, like every once in a while, but like it was basically whether or not I would get caught was my line for- You're a bit of a scamp. Yeah, I was a bit of a scamp, but I knew that if I would,

if somebody cared enough to like track me down and get me in trouble, then it was probably not worth my time. You were also a coward. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I mean, even like, but there were also times where like, I didn't necessarily think like, I think, man, this is going to sound way sadder than it probably should. But instead of going to prom, my friends and I lit fireworks in a parking lot.

Okay. Just cause that was the thing we did. We were high schoolers, we had fireworks. Everybody was on the other side of town. So we just went to, there was a giant pile of gravel and we would just throw firecrackers at the gravel. You saying there's a giant pile of gravel doesn't narrow it down a butte at all.

Right. Well, I don't know when the statute of limitations is up, because that was the thing is we got the cops called on us and I had to run and I hid in a bush and the cops ran right by me and I felt like a super spy stealth man. You know what I did for my prom? What'd you do? I was royalty. You were a prom king? No, no, I was a prince. I didn't win, but I was part of the thing. Ah, this is why you didn't talk to me in high

school. I see. I think the only reason I got on was because I was nice to people who weren't seniors. And so juniors voted for me, I think, is why I knew a lot of juniors. Cause I was in a lot of remedial math class and science classes as well. I love that. Yeah. I also, for similar-ish reasons,

won winter ball queen my senior year. Oh, you won? I didn't realize I was in the presence of royalty every year. I was in the, me and my friend Nathan, who were not dating, were both, I think the least controversial vote. Everyone else, like there's a couple that was on again, off again. There were people that like people didn't like,

but we were both like the nerds and just generally kind of nice people. Yeah. And so we won and... That's amazing. Yeah. Was it the best night of your life? No. Do you still have the crown?

I did save it for a little bit into college where I was like, this is the one night I was cool. But... Yeah, I feel like you would have done the like, what's it, is it Mean Girls or something where she like breaks the crown up and throws it into the crowd. You'd like make a statement, you know? I did not do that.

But no, you were just like, yes, give me the adoration please. Yeah, I was like, thank you so much. Give me this rose. Okay, now we have a couple more fish questions. And these are kind of related. I'll think of more tuna questions as we go though, because now we're cracking them open like an egg. We almost got to the core of tuna. Why can some fish be farmed and others can't be? Because they don't taste good is my guess, or they're too big like a tuna.

Or maybe tuna can't be farmed, I don't know anything. I would assume that it's related to what Sarah was talking about earlier with like, fish move a lot. Too fast. Like yeah. Yeah, you can't make a habitat. Can you fulfill all their needs with like... Too fast. Like yeah, they... Yeah, you can't make a habitat... Can fulfill all their needs with their tiny, yeah. You can't put the fish in your box, man.

I couldn't even tell you what fish are farmed. Trout? Is trout farmed? Salmon. Oh, they can do salmon? They don't need to roam too much? No, I don't think so. All right.

That's the thing is like aquaculture, which is fish farming seems very complicated and tilapia, some carps. The limitations seem to be, they need to be fairly small so they can take up less space and don't need to roam. So like Tuna was saying, you can't trap a big fish in a box and succeed in raising it or like plenty of them die. Yeah, make them have a family and stuff.

And then like part of it is like environmental waste is just like how much poop fish generate and like how much food that they need to eat, even the small, the little guys. So you either have to like constantly be changing the water in the tank, which is like a really labor and time intensive and like resource intensive process or like filter it somehow. Like fish aren't that like densely gathered in the wild.

Like maybe some places like reefs, but there's still like a lot of water flow in and out. So there's a higher chance of parasites. Like if one gets in infecting a whole batch or a whole tank of farmed fish, there are a lot of like considerations that make it quite difficult. Like as even in the species that are easy to grow

like big and fast, and it becomes an environmentally costly thing. But some of them, it seems like, this goes back to our lack of understanding of fish, are just hard to raise. So tuna are one of them. You can't box in a tuna. There are people who are trying to figure out

how to hatch and raise juvenile tuna and tuna larvae, but are struggling with it, because a lot of them, when they're in tanks, as little babies, they're like, body proportions are weird, I think, and they die or they don't want food or they're just hard to raise in captivity. Like you were saying, Sam, once they get big,

they're just too hunk and big for the tanks. They eat so much food that it doesn't make sense to go and catch a bunch of fish, like 15 pounds of fish a day, to then go feed your tuna, to then grow it bigger, because at that point, just eat the fish that you're catching. To eat the 15 pounds of fish. Yeah. And so it's like this big puzzle where, especially with tuna, which is such a delicacy in a lot of foods and like those big tuna steaks or like raw tuna with like overfishing, people are trying to figure out how to farm it, but they get so gigantic and it's so resource intensive

that it's hard to mimic that in a contained environment when they have the whole ocean to roam. For the follow-up question, did you ask that one? I didn't, but I can right now. Yeah, ask it. Spirit Bomb asks, and the person asked the last one, I didn't say, and I don't know how to say. N, N ampersand P, zero.

Napoleon. Napoleon, thank you. Napoleon's felt really weird, asked the first question. Spiritomb? I don't know. Spiritomb. Napoleon's felt really weird asked the first question Spirit tomb spirit Tom I don't know tomb. It's either a bomb. It's like a bomb mom. Yeah spirit. Om yes That's what it is asks Why does fish farming have a bad reputation despite the fact that it's possible to do fish farming or wild catching in? environmentally responsible or

irresponsible ways. So I would guess because it's cheaper to do it irresponsibly. That's the one. Yeah, I think it's a bad reputation because we've kind of overridden the indigenous like sustainable ways of farming things with our mass production and just like getting as much fish as possible with the most concentrated food in the smallest area. It comes down to economics again and like more, make more money faster. It's more expensive to do things the more difficult way, unfortunately.

Yeah. And so then that ties into the reputation. So like all these people who are doing large fish farming, yeah, they're not figuring out how to raise the fish slowly because the idea is to do it as fast as possible, no matter the resources. Right. So that's the bad reputation. But yeah, of course, there's so many things that can be done sustainably that aren't. Well, all of our fish answers felt like downers to me.

I have one more question before we leave, then. What's your favorite sound right now of the moment? Well, I mean, just like my favorite sound in general is like rain on an aluminum awning, or like not aluminum, but like thin metal awning. That's nice. Yeah. It's just, I love that. I don't know, that was a thing that comforted me to sleep. Like I would have my window open as a kid and like we had a metal awning on our front

porch and I could hear the rain hitting it. And it's kind of a cheaty answer because it's not really one sound. It's like the sound of rain is the sound of like thousands of tiny impacts all happening repeatedly, but just that. That counts. That's fine. Oh yeah. I love it.

And in second place, I think is, and this one I just discovered last summer, if you go out in like the forest or whatnot and you're like super quiet, you can hear the wind like way off in the distance and you can hear it because you can't hear wind. You can just hear the wind like way off in the distance and you can hear it, cause you can't hear wind, you can just hear the wind pushing on stuff. And so you can hear in the distance, like all the leaves, and then you can hear it slowly approach

and then like pass through and like everything's moving a bunch. And then it goes on the other side. And I like that because it's reflective of sound in general where you have like this big high pressure portion, and then in between small, like low pressure. And like that's how speakers work, is like vibrating to create those pressure waves that hit your ears. And so for me, just getting to sit inside the big like, oh, bunch of wind all at once,

then no wind, and then 10 minutes later another big thing of wind. It's like, oh, I get to live inside a sound wave that I can't even hear because it's too slow. I shouldn't be surprised that you had such detailed answers for that question. Yeah, dude! You ask me anything about sound. I love that shit. That's why it's hard for me to talk about it, because I just talk about sound.

That's all I... I love sound. Thank you all for listening to us this month as always. We hope you enjoyed Project for Awesome or will enjoy it depending on when I get this edited again. And, Sarie, do you have any parting thoughts? No, I like hanging out with both you and Tuna and it's nice. Basically this is just a conversation with some science that I had to do research for.

It is nice to have Tune around, isn't it? It's good to have an excuse to sit to have him look at you silently for one hour every week, huh? Well, this is nice because instead of looking at us silently, we forced him to talk. No, I had him muted the whole time. I haven't heard a single thing he said. I do. Okay. Just I'm going to be cut out of the entire episode. Alright everybody, see you next month. Bye!