Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 10/31/25 Bill Buppert on the Follies of American Militarism

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Scott interviews Bill Buppert about his new course on the Scott Horton Academy. Discussed on the show: Scott Horton Academy Yes Minister (IMDb) Bill Buppert is the Smedley D. Butler Fellow for Military Affairs at the Libertarian Institute and host of Chasing Ghosts: An Irregular Warfare Podcast. He served in the military for nearly a quarter century and was a combat tourist in a number of neo-imperialist shit-pits planet-wide. He can be found on Twitter at @wbuppert and reached via email at [e-mail]. For more on Scott’s work: Check out The Libertarian Institute:  https://www.libertarianinstitute.org Check out Scott’s other show, Provoked, with Darryl Cooper https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show Read Scott’s books: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine https://amzn.to/47jMtg7 (The audiobook of Provoked is being published in sections at  https://scotthortonshow.com) Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw Fool’s Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan https://amzn.to/3HRufs0 Follow Scott on X @scotthortonshow And check out Scott’s full interview archives: https://scotthorton.org/all-interviews This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Incorporated https://rrbi.co Moon Does Artisan Coffee https://scotthorton.org/coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom https://www.libertyclassroom.com/dap/a/?a=1616 and Dissident Media https://dissidentmedia.com You can also support Scott’s work by making a one-time or recurring donation at https://scotthorton.org/donate/ https://scotthortonshow.com or https://patreon.com/scotthortonshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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negotiate now end this war and now here's your host scott horton all right y'all welcome to the show the scott horton show i'm him and we got a big announcement for you today it's the uh what second full day now of the scott horton academy of foreign policy and freedom at scott horton academy com and go and sign up there and we've got early bird specials which are probably expired by the time anybody sees this not sure but probably a saturday night anyway uh head on over there and uh sign up for the academy it's long form courses by myself the great james bovard uh ramsi barut well let me say um myself on the war on terrorism uh james bovard on 40 years of investigative journalism ramsie barood on the reality of the israel palestine conflict

And today's guest, one of today's guests, the great Bill Bupert, former Army officer and historian and critic of American, especially counterinsurgency policy, but also essentially all American militarism and its follies. Welcome to the show. How you doing, Bill? Hey, I'm doing great. And I wanted to, for the audience that's watching right now, we are in the process of movie because normally my very large library, like Scott's, is filled with books. but I've been packing and getting ready to move the bunker complex from here to elsewhere in the great state of Florida. Okay. Well, dang, I was about to say, are you coming to Texas? Not yet. The property taxes in Texas are just prohibitive.

That's true. But we have no income tax. You don't, but it doesn't balance out. Florida is a very low tax state overall. So it's more attractive in so many ways. Yeah, right. I feel you. Yeah. I hate Florida. I mean, it's okay to visit. There's no hills or anything.

Anyway, up in the panhandle, they do have an elevation, an altitude elevation max up almost 250 feet. Oh, okay. There you go. Say what? I don't know what I'm talking about. You know, you got to go to the panhandle, Horton. You need to come visit, Scott. You do. Listen, let me tell you a thing, man. I've been busting my ass on building this academy up. And part of that meant putting off watching your courses until they were already done and edited and the audio mastered and everything um and then once they're already up on the website and we're a day from launch i thought boy i better watch the other guys courses and make sure that you know i like them uh and so i did and yours is so great it's a history of american militarism since the end of world war two

and all of it's stupidity and failures and um i just learned so much from i love your podcast you two very important podcasts war notes and chasing ghosts both of which we feature of course at the libertarian institute as well but i'm so grateful for you uh doing this course and being part of the academy with me here and the rest because um i get to brag and boast like somehow i'm responsible for all of y'all's hard work too and like hey everybody check out the awesome academy i have it's not just me but it's these other real greats too and and uh the likes you and ramsie barood and brag and boast about. So thank you. And why don't you tell the people a little bit about the course? So you're very kind, Scott, and you and I have a very symbiotic relationship when it

comes to this, because I have the intellectual curiosity, I think maybe on par with yours. And it is inspiration from having listened to you since the early 2000s that sort of let me down the path where I am so skeptical and hypercritical of the American and by extension Western martial effort that's going on around the world. Sorry about that. Marshall effort that's going on around the world, especially since the end of World War II, I'm fond of calling World War II the war to save Joseph Stalin

for a variety of reasons. And as a matter of fact, that could be a future course offering at the Academy to provide an explanatory framework on why, thank you, thank you, Proff, C.J., who was doing a wonderful series of Woodrow Wilson. World War Wilson is patient zero for all of this. World War I and that Austrian painter who became the chancellor and then the dictator of Nazi Germany

and set so many things into train in the first half of the 20th century, all of that could have been stopped cold if American decision-making in World War I and World War II had taken a different path because essentially what World War II did was it made the world safe for communist expansion and domination hemispherically around the world.

So when Scott asked me to do this course, I gave him a laundry list of various courses I could do. We settled on this one. And what it's all about is that since 1945 to present day, especially because of the intelligence community, and especially because of this curious industrial policy that we have that's very socialist and communistic oriented in the department. Department of Defense, Department of War now. In acquiring these elegant, exquisite, and very expensive weapon systems, it's become

a self-looking ice cream cone to such an extent that, to sum it up, America has the finest and most expensive military in history fit for 20th century peer combat that is not fit for purpose for 21st century peer combat. And all the trillions of dollars that we have spent, all the mismanagement, all these wars that we have consistently lost or reached a stalemate in, everything comes home because, you know, Newton's third law is a stone-cold motherfraker. And it comes around, and it is a, certainly it's a law of physics, but it's also a law of human transaction and behavior.

Because every time, and this is something that I've emphasized, In the course, and again, maybe in a future course, Scott, I can tease this out. Every larger conflict breeds oxygen into the embers of long dormant conflicts leading to interstate wars of domination within state or national borders or maybe secession or vulcanization or nullification urges are satisfied. But whenever wars are created, they birth new wars in the future. And unfortunately, since 1945 to this present day, I did this course where I talked about the mishaps, the failures, the stalemates, the misadventures of the U.S. military.

We are living right now militarily as an amateur military historian. We're living in a time of amazing prosperity and peace, relatively speaking, because war, unfortunately, is the way of the world. And you gave me the opportunity with this course to sort of suss out and tease out all of these things that caused this existential cavalcade of calamities that is the U.S. military institution. well i'm sure glad you took the opportunity to do it um i learned so much and okay so scott i need to say this though yeah it is the highest praise and my my oldest daughter said that said this to me she is 13 34 now 35 she's 35 she said it scott the horton is the bomb and uh your daughter said that about me oh yes absolutely all of look i have uh i have three sons two daughters seven grandchildren. My youngest daughter is not, she's not into this at all, but my three sons

and my, my oldest daughter are all fanboys of the Scott Horton phenomenon. And what you've been doing, they've been listening to you for a long time. They grew up with it, sort of. And we home educated, remember. So I exposed them to the right history and they had that. But she said, he's amazing. So Scott, when you tell me that you learn something from me. I'm amazed. Yeah. Oh, well, geez, I don't know what to say. I've been renewed for 20 years or something back when you were writing at those other

sites and things for LRC and whatever. So anyway, I was excommunicated from LRC. Yeah, well, that's not hard to do. You and many other people, some for good reasons and some for less good. But we love Lou. yes and so the audience understands you and me we like each other that's great but um your expertise can you tell us a little bit about your army career and um how you know so much and are so interested in all this military history and all that kind of thing i can so um i'm a high school

dropout i went into the u.s navy and signed up at the age of 17 went to the navy spent seven years enlisted, got out, went to college, stayed in reserves, got my commission in the U.S. Army as an officer to avoid sea duty. And then I spent time as both an infantryman and an intelligence officer. And I was assigned to airborne units, air assault units, special operations forces units, special operations forces units. And then I retired in 2003. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons for my retirement was because we were on the eve of the Iraq War. And because of the Iraq war, I and so many J.O.'s, junior officers in the U.S. military were so skeptical of what was another cat, sorry, were so skeptical of what was going on in Iraq because

the 21 causes bell-eye, and you're well aware of this, that George Bush articulated to go in there, We're all false. And at the junior officer level, we all knew this, especially those who were in the intelligence community. We saw the writing on the wall well before the press got wind of it, maybe slightly before you did Scott and put two and two together. So I got on 2003, took four years to get the let out, started doing some contracting.

In 2013 and 2015, I did two contractor tours in Afghanistan. So I spent almost two years of my life over there. I was an advisor to the general staff in Kabul at the Ministry of Defense in 2013. And in 2015, I was training what's called Anasak, which is the Afghan National Army Special Operations Command. They have the fifth and temp Kandaks, which is Afghan for battalion. And I was training commandos and special forces near the Uzbekiport. So all of a sudden, I sort of win the lottery by getting an offer at last from a company in the United States that will go unnamed, who said, hey, Bill, you want to come back to the states

and make some money that's fairly equivalent to what you're making overseas and you don't have to deploy anymore, and I took that. So that's my military expertise is not only as a practitioner, but also I would say as a scholar, small S scholar, where like you, I'm a very avid reader. I'm a very interrogating reader, paraphrasing Mortimer Adler, where he said, get involved in your books. and in a subtical way, if you read three to five or more books on the same subject,

and this is something you've done, Scott, you start to get an expertise that even university professors who don't take the time to do that can't come close to where you're starting to make these unconscious connections of what's going on. So I am an amateur military historian. I'm not accredited. I do have a master's degree, probably one of the most curious master's degrees in the U.S., I actually have a master's in asymmetric warfare, which is irregular warfare and such. So as you know, I started chasing up three years ago, and you are kind enough to host that, along with war notes, that has a more conventional and global flavor to the things

that it tackles. So for me, I am a, I'm a citizen journalist like you in which I take a look at the world, and then with the knowledge that I have, I try to ask my. myself, well, either is this moral number one? And if it is, can we do it more effectively? So I think that those two questions inform my approach to military and conflict history. Yeah. Okay, so I'm curious, what was your master's thesis? Was it this is all completely bankrupt and stupid and Petraeus should be cashiered right the hell out of here because he didn't know what he's talking about? Oh my gosh, Scott. If only I had tackled something that's spectacular. My master's thesis

was um you're going to be amused by this have you heard michael collins uh no wait i don't think so but between 1916 and 1922 the irish were able to rest the i the island of ire er er e i r e i r o'er southern ireland even though they don't call themselves that not northern ireland they were able to wrestle them out wrestled themselves out from under an 800 year domination by the english on the Irish Isle. And my thesis was, as a result of World War I in the utter exhaustion of Great Britain financially and militarily, and as a result of what happened in a slaughter in India, where Winston Churchill gave the greatest speech of his life, in my mind, which is the Amritsar speech.

I wish that somebody with a creditable English accent would do a reenactment of it. I think it was 1919 or 1920. As a result of that, on Michael Collins' very savvy civil war, he was conducting against the English, it was a result of his brilliance at irregular warfare at the time, on par in my mind with General Letho Borbeck in East Africa in World War I,

and T.E. Lawrence, known as Lawrence of Arabia, everybody's familiar with that story. I think they saw the film as a historical, as the film one was. but my never one film of all time, nonetheless. So my thesis was, there are ways for smaller people, indigenous to a country to defeat the greatest power on earth, in this case, England at the time,

where they had suffered under 800 years of domination. So that's, I'm sorry it was so long-winded to tell you. No, that's great. Well, and now were you being cheeky and you were actually really writing about Iraq and Afghanistan while you were writing that? and warning the Americans that who's the red coats now, you guys are on your way to obvious and complete

and total defeat in both cases here? You can absolutely draw those conclusions. You know, George Santayana said that history repeats itself. I think Rift and said history rhymes and things like that. Learning from history, though, and finding historical parallels isn't hard, But if you employ presentism, which is a fallacy in historiography where you say, well, look at us, we're so mighty and moral, maybe woke, not in my case, nor your case. But if you were, you take your present moral vantage point and you project that backwards in time and think, well, they should have known better.

Well, they couldn't have possibly known better because it wasn't within their moral imagination at the time. I'm so amused, for instance, when people are talking about slavery and how awful it was. Yes, it was awful. And as a matter of fact, before 1800, slavery was the way of the world. And then William Wilberforce, the English Christian gentleman in the UK, stands in the House of Parliament in I think it's 1801 or 1802. We'll call it at the very beginning of the 19th century. He says, you know, owning other human beings is wrong. And then within two generations, it is the Royal Navy that's stopping the Atlantic slave trade.

So I'm always aghast at the lack of historiosity and accurate historiography today with the reparations talk and stuff like that. As a matter of fact, Scott, here's some, I got a lot of useless trivia, and I think that you have a lot of useful trivia, and you're always bantering. I got a lot of useless trivia. Go ahead. So in this case, between 1510 and 1875 in the Atlantic slave trade, I'm not talking about the Islamic slave trade or any of that, the Atlantic slave trade. And there are huge receipts and footnotes for all of this. What percentage of the 12 million plus black slaves that made landfall and were slaves in this hemisphere? What percentage landed in North America? Because Canada, is less than 6,000 over the entire period of time. Yeah. So it's a minute. Well, I would think it's like 10%, right?

Most of it was Brazil and the... Exactly. It's a 3.5%. Oh, really? 3.5%. And that's because I think it's a... It may be less than... It may be 3% because I think it's 350,000 people in here.

Now, by the way, those Islamic slaves were taken for the most part. There's not a big legacy there because the males were castrated when they arrived at the very Islamic Emirates and places like that where they were used in the slave trade. I mean, open slave trades, thank you, Hillary Clinton, reopened after Libya managed to lose Gaddafi for whatever reason. So, yeah. Yep.

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Yeah, me and the great American historian Daryl Cooper, that is Martyr Made. He's my co-host and we host a show every Friday night. We might be switching to two days a week here sometime soon, but for right now we're doing Friday nights live at 8 o'clock Eastern Time on the YouTube's. Checked out our Twitter handle Provoked show. And, you know, by the way, there's just stories about this a few months ago where like, you know, you might have thought that, well, that was back in 2011 and 12 or something. But yeah, no, ever since then, they have chattel slavery.

You know, there was a thing that showed all these people being held in shipping containers. They enforced, you know, essentially a gunpoint or bayonet point to work. Just straight out of a straight out of history. And again, yes, absolutely the Democrats fault over absolutely, as they call it, a war of choice that they absolutely did not have to do at all that they just decided to launch. And in favor of a bunch of jihadists in that Libyan war in 2011. It's unbelievable. Barack Obama should be in prison for that right. I agree.

And it was Barack Obama, who not only sustained, despite his campaign promises, the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, but he opened new wars in, as you just mentioned, Libya, Syria, the Horn of Africa, and Yemen. And Yemen is very problematic. And what he did, of course, is he came out on the side of the Saudis. And the Saudis, in my mind, for the most part, when it comes to that distinction between Shia and Sunni the Sunni of course are the preponderance

of Muslims worldwide they are ground zero and patient zero for all the funding of Sunni terrorism around the world is the Saudis for response and of course Barack Obama and his administration

they do what the Saudings need done yep it's funny too because I forget about W Bush now I know some of the neocons did And certainly Obama and Biden, I think Trump, too, they all kind of go, oh, the Saudis, we're going to put them right in line or whatever. And then as soon as they get in power, they, somebody explains to them just how much American debt they hold or whatever it is. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And Trump said, and it's been perfect term. Yeah, Trump was bragging. Well, Saudi agreed to buy $400 billion worth of weapons from us. Like, yeah. Over the next 40 years they did. Give me a break, dude. Like the American.

economic economy is dependent on Saudi arms sales for their army that they're afraid to even build because they know it'll overthrow them in an instant if they do. If the Saudis didn't have Pakistani and Filipino surf labor, they could not function as a society.

Yeah. Man, you know what? You reminded me about when you mentioned the Horn of Africa there, now it was W. Bush that started America's longest war in Somalia, which is being escalated right now. We've been bombing the crap out of Dave DeCamp at anti-war.com is the only one in America who's covering this on a regular basis. I've been bombing them all week this week, in fact,

and they're claiming some successes against al-Shabaab leadership and all that. I wrote, in enough already, I have a chapter on Somalia and how W. Bush started this war in December 2001. And people can find that actually on anti-war.com. We've reprinted that entire chapter at anti-war.com. If you just search my name and another failed 20-year war, America and Somalia, that'll come up. for you at anti-war.com. We'll put that in the show notes for you. And that gives the background of that thing.

And still going on to this day. But then, as you mentioned, across the Gulf there, it was Barack Obama that kicked off. First, the Yemen War, the drone war, CIA war against Al Qaeda in 2009, but then in 2015, switching sides and taking al-Qaeda's side and Saudi side against the Shiite Houthis there in north of the country, in the much worse war that ran from the last. two years of Obama all the way through all four years of Trump won and about the first year or so of Biden before they finally brought that one to an end and you know what I just don't remember now I'm blanking on on if I covered they brought the Yepin war to an end did you yeah I mean well

Israel started it again but yeah they negotiated they negotiated basically the Saudis gave up on the war in the first year of Biden because the Houthis kept reaching out and touching their oil refineries and they couldn't do a damn thing about it. And they said, somebody in a white robe came to Muhammad bin Salman and said, enough of this. And he said, okay, okay, okay, and stop. And that was what happened. Saudi lost. You bring up a great point, Scott, and that's this. There's a concept called revolutions and military affairs, an RMA. What an RMA is, it's the emergence of the stirrup. It's the emergence of smokeless powder. It's the emergence of rifles, which, rifles and pistols and firearms, which pretty much took the whole concept of single combat and close combat,

which warriors had been fighting for thousands of years, to a close. The Army now, and you're pointing this out, is that when it comes to Yemen, Yemen has, I think they've taken out two dozen large UAVs, predators and such, with the technology that they've gotten from Iran and by extension, the bricks, countries, and such. There is a, there's a democratization flattening of the ability of fourth, third world, and developing countries to fight large, exquisite platform equipped peer countries like the U.S. and the West that has instantiated itself now in the 21st century. Carriers aren't safe. Large UAVs aren't safe. None of this stuff is safe. As a matter of In fact, my last War Notes episode, I proposed an interesting thought experiment.

I said, since America is an expeditionary war power, because we don't fight here, we always fight elsewhere, what would happen if the enemy or threat that we fought, the country that we landed it or the country that we landed near, they didn't target a single fighter, ship, soldier, or anything. But every time we spool up portable power or generator sets, they killed it. What would American fighting power look like if they had no portable power? I can tell you from my experience, they can't fight. So there are ways here, again, asymmetric warfare, trying to leverage advantage in a way that the more expensive and apparently better trained foe did not anticipate. Right. Look at right now. I mean, you got the drone wars going on in Ukraine where America's front line Abrams battle tank has been rendered completely obsolete.

We already know if we fight the Russian Federation, our Abrams tanks are no good. We got to use something else. What in the hell does that mean? I like to think, I mean, first of all, just come home from Europe. I don't give a damn. But all other things being equal, you would think that maybe in the army, they'd be panicking and saying, holy crap, you know, maybe we need to think harder about how else to go about these sorts of conflicts because we just found out everything that we've been, you know, practicing for the last

60 years or what, 80 years in Europe about how we would handle a war with the Russians is now obsolete. God, in order for them to panic, you would have to have the marshal and intellectual imagination in that oddly shaped building called the Pentagon to even anticipate this and they can't and they don't and they they they they're simply running around blindly they're doing this I got you remind me in the book I got Ukrainian soldiers complaining that they go to Germany for training

and they go yeah but there's no drones in this training and drones are everything on the battlefield now so we got to incorporate drones in a thing and it's like a movie or a sitcom on TV or whatever and they all go, yeah, well, we're not approved for that. And so you're going to have to like fill out some paperwork and talk to 10 different people to approve it. Actually, I saw a thing on YouTube where the Brits invented the cock-eyed landing for planes on aircraft carriers so that they don't have to crash into the planes parked at the end of the thing if they missed their catapult.

And they were shouted down, the guys who figured this out, we could just put a crooked little landing zone on there. They got shouted down because of the bureaucracy, didn't want to be. told they were wrong. And then when the Brits came and told the Americans, the Americans were like, no way. And demand like a year of testing. This is in the middle of the Korean War. They're losing pilots like crazy. And the Brits are telling them, listen, man, your carriers were designed for these very slow moving propeller planes. But now you're landing jets on them, much faster with much less room for error. And your pilots are crashing into these solid steel barricades and dying. All you got to do is pitch your runway crooked and they're like no we hate crooked runways that's never

going to work and they it's like a yes minister or something you know it's like a sitcom this is how you run your military really can i can i say you just mentioned yes minister anybody listening right now whether you watch the older version in the 1980s or the newer one scott i'm assuming you've seen is there a newer one i think i think there is if you want to see how government works. There is no, it's better than a documentary when you watch Yes, Minister. It really is.

So those in the audience who have never taken the time to look at that series, I highly recommend it. Yeah, it's public choice theory, the sitcom, right? That's what it is. You can call it that, but then everybody would be like, public choice theory, what does that mean? It's so non-self-explanatory.

James Buchanan is the expositor, maybe the discoverer of public choice theory. What all of the assumes is that public people, government people, don't act in an altruistic fashion. They act in a selfish fashion. And the best explanation I've seen for public choice theory, Scott, is it's politics as romance. Oh, that's fun.

That's funny. I need to read his books and stuff, man. I'm always like kind of mouthing off about this stuff. But I've only, you know, I think Liberty Fund has a 20 volume set up you can. Wow. Okay, I'm not going to read that. He's almost as prolific as you. Yeah, well, I got three and a half books to my credit so far.

We'll see. Your books are twice as large as normal books. Yeah. I regret to inform you that I am actually now working on another book. I won't tell you too much about it, but I sort of can't help myself at this point, I guess. well look we better wrap i don't want to ask too many great questions and spoil your great course and i can feel them bubbling up here so um let me recommend to all of the people if you like hearing me talk about things and you like hearing bill bupert talk about things man you're going to want to

sign up for the scott horton academy of foreign policy and freedom and yes i hope for those with the attuned ears you will notice that is a homage to the great dr ron paul's book the collection of his speeches of foreign policy of freedom and so kind of riffing off of that a little bit thought it's a pretty good name for a thing and um it's me jim bovard ramsie baroud and both of their courses are just also absolutely fantastic the great bill bupert coming soon more of me cj kilmer adam francisco and many more great courses at uh the scott horton academy of foreign policy and freedom and um and then also don't forget to check out bill's great podcast chasing ghosts and war notes as well. Thank you, Bill.

Thank you. And apologies to everybody from my capacious forehead, reflecting light in the fashion that it does. Yeah, we're going to have a, what was the adjective again? Capacious. Capacious. I got one of those, too, I think. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I. You do. We do. I started Kyle's show last week. I was like, man, I'm sorry for being so bald. Anyway, you can ask me questions if you want. In the Army, I was what was referred to as a buckethead.

Yeah. When I was a boy, my friend Toby at the skate park, he'd come up to me and he'd go. And then he'd wipe my forehead and then he'd go and do his hair in the mirror. Oh, I got, we can't leave without me saying this. Tony is right. I'll bet that Scott and I are the only ones at the Libertarian Institute who both have ridden pools on skateboards. That's true. um i yes jim bovart is not a pool skater although he could have been i bet he's a tough dude

um and man ramsey too like if he started young enough um do you still ride it all by the way oh no no not at all no i do other things because i do have a couple of hurt ramps i could bring you along i you know you and i talked offline about um visiting and we're going to do that whether I come there or you come visit me and there's lots of other hobbies you and I are going to leverage. Yeah, I do come to Florida now and again. I got people there, so maybe we'll work that out. Anyway, I'm looking forward to your next courses. Thank you so much again for being part of the Academy, man. It is my pleasure, my honor, and thank you, Scott. The Scott Horton Show is brought to you by Roberts & Roberts, Brokerage, Inc.

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