Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 11/14/24 Ken Silva on the Real and Fake Trump Assassination Plots

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Scott interviews Ken Silva about some of his recent reporting. They first look into the alleged Iranian plots to assassinate President-elect Trump. Silva, who has reported on many FBI sting and entrapment schemes, believes that these plots are being advanced or even outright fabricated by the Bureau. He explains why. They then turn to the actual assassination plot that culminated in the shooting at the Trump rally in Butler, PA, of which there are still many important questions to be answered.  Discussed on the show: “Sen. Grassley Removes ‘Sensitive’ FBI Records from Website after Bureau Complains” (Headline USA) The Terror Factory by Trever Aaronson  “DOJ Announce Another ‘Iranian Assassination Plot’ as Trump Looks to Clean House” (Headline USA) Ken Silva has been a reporter for more than 10 years, working in places such as the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, and the United States. Follow him on Twitter @JD_Cashless This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, author of the book, Fool's Aaron, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and The Brand New, Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2004. almost all on foreign policy and all available for you at scothorton dot for you can sign up the podcast feed there and the full interview archive is also available at youtube.com slash scott horton's show okay you guys on the line i've got my friend and investigative reporter ken silva he is over there at headline usa that's headline usa dot com and he writes all these important articles including including Senator Grassley removes sensitive FBI records from website after Bureau complains. That sounds important.

Welcome back to the show, Ken. What's going on? Oh, doing well. Thanks for having me, Scott. Good to be here. Very happy to have you here. Why would FBI want to cover up a thing? They burn a church full of kids again or something?

Ha! Do they frame the president for treason? Don't tell me they frame the president for treason again. Yeah, well, I can't help but notice the day after the Washington Times, reported a pretty bombshell story about how pretty much every senior FBI official's head is on the chopping block figuratively. They're all going to get fired under Trump. The very next day, they announced that they unearthed a sinister Iranian plot to assassinate the president. No, not the Iranians.

Always with the Iranians. So I've been on your show. We've talked about these kind of dubious sting operations that are highlighted by journalists like Trevor Aronson and the terror factory where basically you have a bunch of undercover informants and agents targeting, you know, a disgruntled teenager or somebody in their 20s who might, you know, be very angry at the U.S. government and be wanting to do, you know, terrorism, but they don't have the means. The FBI gives them a fake bomb and arrest them at the last second. There's dozens of cases like that. Well, the case announced...

Nay, hundreds. Go ahead, sorry. Yeah. No, you're exactly right. Well, the case announced a couple days ago is even weaker than that, though. The basis for the Justice Department's grand case about an Iranian assassination plot comes from a statement of one of their defendants charged in this case who's in Iran, hasn't been arrested, because, you know, for obvious reasons, he's in Iran.

But it really looks like this guy had been an FBI informant earlier this year who voluntarily provided information about the government in Iran allegedly, you know, plotting to assassinate Trump. And then the FBI and the DOJ burned their own source and charged him in an unrelated conspiracy plot and put that in the indictment, saying that this guy, Farad Shakiri, he did multiple phone interviews with us in October where he told us about this. plot so it's an unverifiable tip from a defendant who's in iran who who knows because he's been burned he might not even be alive anymore okay man it's my fault can that i did not read the indictment i have not had time been so busy especially this week but yeah busy and i just and in fact i haven't even been reading this stupid whilst you journal articles about like you know on the basic level of uh just what they're saying about it um i had heard you know, the magic word informant

and I said, yeah, this, that, no. Did I understand you correct here that you're saying that they, well, I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand. Draw me again, an easy diagram of the supposed Iranian threat to

the one guy to the informant who ratted on the one guy. Okay. So, let me just explain, I guess, the government's version of this. Right, yeah, I'm sorry, that's what I meant. according to these blood-soaked liars, these honorless goons from America's secret police. Right. So there's three defendants in this case, Farad Shakiri of Iran, Carlisle Rivera of Brooklyn, New York, and Jonathan Lodholt of Staden Island, New York.

Farid, the guy in Iran is an Afghan national who came here in the 90s, did a stint in prison. for armed robbery where he meant Rivera, who was serving time in prison for manslaughter. Shakiri gets out in the mid-2000s and is deported to Iran, and I guess the FBI has been monitoring his activities ever since. And earlier this year, Shakiri did pay Rivera and Lodholt, the two other defendants, to conduct surveillance on an Iranian national name Maasai al-Janad. She's that Iranian journalist who always rails against the government for violating women's rights. She's kind of basically a State Department asset. She's getting paid by Voice of America.

And there's been several cases that the DOJ have made where they allege that Iran's trying to kill this. journalist. I don't know the veracity of those cases. I haven't really dug into them. But in any event, Shakiri, the Iranian, did pay these two other New Yorkers to surveil as journalist. So that was the Justice Department's actual criminal case unsealed several days ago. But in the indictment, the FBI says, by the way, one of the defendants, the Iranian or the Afghan in Iran, And Shakira told us over the phone, he conducted several voluntary phone interviews in September and October. And in one of those phone interviews, he told us about an assassination plot against Trump.

And so they took that tip and then turned around and charged the same guy, if that makes sense. Yeah. Well, not really, but okay. and then so now what's this uh that grassley posted that then he changed his mind about okay uh well that's that's a totally different uh case um okay yeah uh so i will let me what what am i not making sense on when it comes to the shikiri case oh i'm not saying that you aren't i'm just saying that the the FBI i don't know it doesn't sound like they have much year other than what their own guy said something on a phone call yeah it appears to be total

PR where they took this unverified tip and just included it in the indictment and now all the media is running with this story about how Shakiri was a mastermind of the plot when in fact that he just told the FBI that there was a plot of foot and there's no other evidence of the plot yeah and so that and there is nothing else about the Ayatollah, the IRGC, the Quds Force, the some other Iranian agency that I don't know about being directly tied in here? Not in this case. They do claim that Shakiri is an Iranian asset.

So I guess that would be the link. But again, he was also the FBI's own informant. And he's the one that told this to the FBI and the capacity as an informant. So I take it with a great. and assault. I guess there's less tenuous links in other criminal cases, which we're about to get to. That's where these leaked. Yeah.

So blower documents that Chuck Grassley initially published on his website, but then pulled them down. Okay. Now hold that thought for just a second because the Iranian thing is important because Trump believed it, right? And this is an important part of the narrative now that, like, wow, just is. these lone cooks were killing the guy. The Ayatollah was scheming to get revenge for the Soleimani hit

and was going to try to murder Donald Trump, apparently. And then evidently Donald Trump believes that, right? He was told that by the FBI and then turned around and said, guess what the FBI told me everybody? And then so this is the shadow or whatever you call it. This is the context in which he's being re-inograted to be the President of the United States again. is believing, potentially, seemingly, that the Ayatollah just tried to kill him.

And right after other dudes were trying to kill him, and he's particularly sensitive about getting killed right now. Yeah, exactly. Trump, I don't know if he really does believe it, but he's made statements to that effect, where he says, well, if I do wind up dead, it's probably Iran, and, you know, Israel should wipe Iran off the map.

I mean, Trump has spread a lot of dubious information about his own assassination attempts, not only in relation to Iran, but he still thinks that the Secret Service shot Thomas Crooks from like 488 yards out, when in fact it was a local cop that initially shot at him from like 100 yards, and then another Secret Service sniper from 120 yards finished the job.

So I don't know where Trump is getting certain information, but I guess he's too busy to worry about who is actually trying to kill. I think the one point of substance here in relation to an alleged plot against Trump is the fact that the FBI, if we're to, you know, assuming that it believes that this assassination plot is legitimate, it knew about it earlier this year, and yet the Secret Service still denied Trump additional protections at his various events. So I think, like, if we're going to talk about this at all, like, that's the reason it matters. It's like, well, why didn't the Secret Service protect Trump better when they knew about this so-called plot? Well, there's two answers. One is they wanted him to get shot, and the other is they're lying. Right. Yeah, exactly.

They're right. That's because they're the government and they're terrible. Well, listen, you started spouting specific facts about that assassination attempt there in Butler, which is just a hell of a thing i you know i have a mention of it in the book because uh context and all that and i uh again for the footnote i went and pulled up that new york times story where it was their photographer got the picture where you can see not the bullet but the air it's slicing through disturbed just past his head from apparently the shot that nicked his ear uh is the one that got his ear uh is the one in that picture because he's still standing you know

I don't know how quickly the kid fired, but evidently it was the shot that almost blew his brains out in 4K in front of everybody there and then, you know, it reminds me, man, of the first World Trade Center bombing where he was like, nah, it was

just six people who died and they're New Yorkers anyway, and blah, well, I don't know, and people didn't care. It was like, yeah, but they almost killed 50,000 people. So let's just use our imagination for a minute here. Like, this was a millimeter away from being so extremely important what happened there in Butler.

So what did happen there, Ken? Oh, man. I mean, that's a question that would take, you know, many, many hours to answer. All I know is, you know, the security failures that occurred at Butler. What really happened, I'm not sure. But I can't say that it does look like the FBI did try to set the table to be able to blame Iran and that brings us to our second case now wait a minute on they tried to set it up to blame Iran for Butler well okay let me explain after the fact or before the fact because then I'll get

all mad so on the very the day before the July 13th Trump shooting and Butler the FBI arrested a guy name Asif Merchant who's a Pakistani with ties to Iran I think he has an Iranian wife and this is the case where a merchant he came Oh crap Ken I'm so sorry

There are two totally different fake Iranian plots to kill Trump Oh man yeah At least two Well So according to Matt Gates I'm sorry because I thought The one you're talking about now is the one that I thought we were

talking about all along And I just don't know. I'm sorry, man. I've had my head so deep in this book. I don't know what in the world. And I'm not even doing a good job asking you questions about it. Yeah, that might be my failure to explain. No, no, no, dude. It's totally me. I don't even have my premise right. Let me start this interview over. How many different fake Iranian plots to kill Trump has the FBI set up here, Ken? Yeah. Okay. We know we know of at least two tied to Iran, including one that was announced several days ago involving what I believe is the FBI's own informant. And then there was a case announced in July about this Pakistani guy who was trying to hire two undercover FBI agents to kill Trump. And that's a controlled sting operation that if we're getting real conspiratorial, you know, it could have been set up to blame Iran for Trump's eventual death. I mean, the guy was arrested July 12th the very day before, which again, it raises

questions about why they didn't up the protection level for Trump. But this, Asif merchant, so he started talking to, he allegedly solicited someone late last year for a supposed assassination plot, that person approached the FBI and then the FBI ran an informant and two undercover agents at Merchant. We're told that Merchant is a serious

Iranian asset and yet he got duped by these undercover FBI people and, you know, talking about assassinating various leaders, not only Trump, there was supposedly a potential plot against Nikki Haley, John Bolton and others. And then in the indictment, you'll see that merchant,

he's supposed to make a $5,000 down payment to the undercovers. And he doesn't get the money from Iran. He has to bag a cousin in Pakistan to send it to him for the down payment. So he was arrested the day before the Butler shooting, and then they announced the case the next week. And that just automatically muddied the waters, where now all the Republicans are looking at Iran. Whoa, it was this tied to what happened in Butler?

I'm not saying the FBI did it intentionally, but, you know, if I were the FBI and I was trying to muddy the waters, I might do something exactly like this. Hey, you guys, coming up this October 7th through the 11th, join Miguel Thorup, host of the Expat Money podcast, the heroic Ron Paul, the great Tom Woods, Doug Casey, Mark Faber, Tom Luongo, myself, and many other great speakers for the online expat money summit, 2004.

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Vietnam, Iraq War I, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq War II, Libya, Syria, Yemen, all of them. But now you can get the e-book, All the War Lies, by me, for free. Just sign up the email list at the bottom of the page at Scotthorton.org, or go to Scotthorton.org slash subscribe. Get all the war lies by me for free. And then you'll never have to believe them again. Well, yeah, I mean, if we can presume for the sake of argument that they saw what was happening in Butler coming at all, but I don't know. That sounds just like a coincidence to me. They're always framing up somebody on some BS

and that they would try to frighten Trump into thinking that people are trying to kill them right while someone is trying to kill them. I mean, that just sounds right. Same as the Boston bombing. They were right in the middle of entrapping a guy when their former informant or they're sometimes informant

or their current informant that they weren't paying attention to was actually setting off a bomb. And I wrote about that in the new book. I don't think that the bombing itself was a sting gone. wrong but they were in the middle of doing a fake sting in boston right when they were supposed to be paying attention to this kook who just gone to dougastan and back and uh so you know i mean they're worthless when they're not criminals they're just absolutely worthless at being the so-called security force of this country the f i knew a journalist back 20 years ago who said he was he hated to do it

he regretted to do it he was like man i only kind of mean this but also I do but I'm sorry too but he supported the creation of the department of Homeland Security because he said the FBI is just worthless they only care about themselves they don't care about us at all they're never going to protect us we got real terrorists who want our ass and these men are just not up to the task somebody else has got to do it and like I'm not saying I agree with that but you see the sentiment there and this guy was a journalist who really knew a lot about their so-called war on terrorism and what just an absolute botched job the whole thing was yeah that that's fair um i'll just tell you that there's a lot of republicans

including those in congress like mike waltz who have directly linked butler with this case of the guy getting arrested the day before so the incoming national security advisor yeah hey look a correlation yeah okay yep yep uh what a a mess. Well, okay, so we already did a whole show today about just what a disaster, the incoming cabinet is. But that's a small taste of it, right? Is you're going to have people in there who

it's not just that they're all hawks? It's that they have no idea what they're talking about. You know, I saw that guy, Hesbeth, I'm sorry, I forgot how exactly pronounced his name, but talking about, oh, what's going on Ukraine? Oh, I think Putin just wanted to go ahead and

take what's his or some kind of thing. Like, oh, I get, you don't know anything. about that you don't even read the newspaper like you don't even know nothing about it at all okay he's like immediately like just he might as well have just made an analogy to boys in the neighborhood or something like he was not talking specifics whatsoever

this oh man this is going to be the secretary defense Jesus Christ yeah it's pretty discouraging that they're looking in all the wrong places we're kind of hoping that a Trump victory you know might you know appoint a real commission to finally get to the bottom of

you know this assassination plot against him and maybe even jfk but yeah with guys like this surrounding him it doesn't really um give much hope yeah and the one ray of light here and she's bad on some things man she's very zionist and she's very pro war against the bin lad knights um but otherwise at least you know my best kind of estimation is tulsie gabbard has a pretty decent head on her shoulders and she's going to be essentially the boss of telling Trump what's true and false, which is a hell of a lot better to have Gina Haspel up there, the one who rushigated him up there telling him what's true and false in the world. I mean, God dang, man, that was bad.

So at least we got that. And maybe she'll be able to knock down some of these more amateurish misunderstandings by her colleagues. I don't know how that's going to play, but anyway, okay, so I'm sorry, tell me about Grassley and this other thing, because see, I did have it right at first that I thought this was a different case, and then I was like, oh, no, see, this says Pakistani sting thing,

and then, oh, okay, oh, I get it, this is the second assassination attempt that you're talking about. Yes, and so this guy that was, this, these leaked records that were initially posted by Chuck Grassley is related to the guy who was arrested the day before, A butler.

The FBI interviewed him and wrote a 302, which is, you know, the FBI agents, their recollection of what was said during the interview. And that 302 was leaked by a whistleblower to Chuck Grassley's office. And Chuck Grassley published the records on his website. But then the FBI said, hey, you're endangering national security. so he took them down, but luckily I had already downloaded them. So if people are interested in these records, they're pinned to the top of my Twitter. It's at JD underscore cash lists. Basically, they do indicate that this merchant guy did have an Iranian handler named Mihard Yousef.

So if we're going to steal man in the government's case, it does look like, according to merchants' own interview with the FBI, that he did have a real Iranian handler connected to the government. They did discuss the assassination plot. However, Merchant tells the FBI that I didn't even think it was going to work. I wasn't really pursuing it seriously. So, yeah, people want to go check out those hot documents there. Pinned to the top of my Twitter. The FBI doesn't want you to see him.

Okay, so I am looking at him now. And then so you say this guy was connected to the Iranian government? Can you be more specific than that? at all i think it was the islamic revolutionary guard oh yeah they do say here i see that they say he's i rgc okay you know what man i'm sorry uh this is all my fault and you've done fine but i just apologize to the audience for this interview being so um disjointed i just uh did not have time to really do my homework and be able to set this thing up and ask the smart questions here but so um well can i complicate it

further then? Yeah, go ahead. All right. So let's just remind our listeners that this, these alleged Iranian plots aren't anything new. The DOJ unsealed an indictment in 2021 about another plot that was supposed to be against that Iranian journalist, the State Department asset. But then there's another really dubious one against John Bolton that was announced. in 2022, and that too was an alleged Iranian IRGC member who is communicating with an FBI informant, you know, on telegram or something. And the FBI alleged that the Iranian asked the informant to assassinate possibly Trump or other U.S. leaders. And so, you know,

as I just explained, it's pretty dubious because, you know, an FBI informant was supposed to, to be the alleged hitman, but the funny thing about this indictment is that the guy in Iran, the FBI doesn't even have any proof that he was an actual Islamic Revolutionary Guard member. They just have one picture of him with an IRGC patch in the background. And then they said, you know, when he was chatting with the FBI informant, he never denied an affiliation with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard. So that's the FBI and the Justice Department's entire basis for alleging a plot against Bolton. At one point, the guy in Iran asked the FBI informant to do surveillance on Bolton.

The FBI let Bolton know. So the FBI informant took a picture of Bolton with Bolton's consent. So that whole plot was totally orchestrated too. And it was overseen by the head of the field office in D.C. at the time was Stephen and Diantono, who led the Michigan kidnap plot with Whitmer. So I just wanted to remind people about, you know, these dubious plots have been, the FBI have been running them pretty much throughout the entire Biden administration. Yeah.

Well, yeah, I really want to know more about this Mejadar, Youssef, and whether this really represents anything like the Iranian government directing or attempting to direct somebody to kill Trump or anybody else. That sounds very dubious to me, but, you know, I mean, not every IRGC commander is, you know, joined at the hip to the Ayatollah. Maybe they have their own agendas and would go off the reservation, but I don't think so, not really. And I don't think that the Ayatollah would order a hit on Trump because I think he knows

that Joe Biden would carpet bomb his country. if he did that. Yeah, I agree. And I think merchant thinks that who he was talking to was a legitimate Iranian agent, but this is the same guy we're talking about who was fooled in a sting operation talking to a informant and two undercover agents. So he obviously doesn't have, you know, the best judgment about who's legit and who's not. So take his own testimony with a grain of salt. Last thing I'll mention about merchant. It is a defense lawyer right now is Abraham Moskowitz, who he briefly represented the first World Trade Center bomber. And then after 9-11, he refused to represent Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, saying, I'm a rampant Zionist.

And this would be a conflict of interest, so I can't really represent Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. But 20 years later, he's willing to represent merchant. you know in a in a case that you know could start a war with iran and directly you know i guess if you want to say benefit israel so i wonder what's changed where he refused to you know represent the 9-11 mastermind but now he's fine uh being in this case with you know Iranian and israeli fingerprints all over it yeah well maybe he is maybe he knows it's a sting and he's just a real good guy and he's doing out of the goodness of his heart because he just thinks it's so unfair.

Probably. All right. Well, listen, man, you do such great work there at Headline USA, and, you know, we get some, sometimes. We reprint and occasionally get an original at the Institute, where we're very happy to have you. There's everybody can find a lot of best of there under Ken's name. It's just a headline USA.com slash author slash K-Silva.

for all his great investigative journalism and I know that you know that a lot of us are going to be counting on you as we enter this crazy new era I don't know what all is going to happen but I'm glad that you're there and got such a great head on your shoulders, Ken. I appreciate it and yeah

we're going to have to talk about the Trump shooting in the near future here because I haven't stopped working on that at all. In fact, I've got, I filed a lawsuit last week to try to get some records. So the work continues. Yeah, there's so much about the kid that we don't know. But the things that they do say about him,

even the things that they say about what they don't know, don't sound plausible, right? Oh, the kid? There actually is nothing to know about him. How about that, for starters? He doesn't have opinions. He didn't do anything. Possibly he just wanted to be famous.

But, yeah, he'd never been on the internet before. And nobody found anything at his house at all. all and just like I don't know man and again I didn't keep up on all the details there but it all seemed very fishy to me well I yeah like I said we earlier we could talk about this for hours but one of the most recent stories I did I discovered that uh the guy running the command center the secret services command center uh who failed to tell the snipers that crooks was on the rooftop even though he knew about it for you know at least five minutes before the shooting that guy was the is the special agent in charge of Buffalo's field office, which blows my mind like a senior

FBI official is for some reason just boots on the ground running the command center. It makes no sense that somebody that high level would be assisting in a campaign event. For the more, this guy who's on Clinton's security detail in the 90s, you know, you make it pretty far far high up in that organization and then you wind up being one of the key failures of the whole event uh yeah there's there's a lot of questions we have man well you know that that's all very interesting i wouldn't want to speculate too much but the more i just think about you know think back about what happened there and just how bad everybody did their job that day apparently I guess that's the part that makes the Secret Service seem innocent in their negligence, too, is the way that the local police also just sucked.

And they were clearly not under any explicit instruction to suck, but they just did. And so, like, if you're the Secret Service and you're accounting on the locals to not do their job, and then that worked out. but if they really were trying to hang him out there to dry and get hit the it seems like the local cops had enough freedom of action that if they'd just done their own half-ass job at all they would have stopped it themselves so i don't know i just honestly man i start with all of these guys are a bunch of meathead idiots and you know i wouldn't expect any of them to do a good job ever so if that's the starting point

there's less need to speculate on deliberate failures but you know not that I'm saying it's caused to rule them out 100% I'm saying even when the failures are crazy

it should be shocking but not surprising you know what I mean yeah I'm still at that point too the local negligence is you know I'd argue it's borderline criminal though I mean there was those two local snipers who were on the second floor of the AGR building behind Crooks,

we still have questions about why they weren't able to see Crooks on the rooftop or why they didn't stop him at all. And that again goes to communication failure where, so those local snipers were part of the Butler ESU and Beaver ESU, and they were on a specific radio channel. For some reason, the head of the ESU, he finds out that Crooks is on the rooftop. and he tells on Channel 3 to, like, the sheriffs and some of the local Butler Township police that, hey, that's not our guy. That's not our asset on the rooftop. But then he never switches it back to Channel 4 to tell the snipers. So, yeah, again, is that just severe negligence, I guess?

But how? How could you possibly not just switch back? That was at 608. That was like three minutes before the shooting. So it just boggles the mind. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know. You could be generous and just like, well, he just couldn't believe that someone was really going to be, you know, I don't know.

But you got to, hey, presume a lot of innocence on the part of the people who were supposed to be doing the protected and prosecuting there. So it really is something. And also, though, you know, I can see why Trump wants to play it down, why the government itself, like overall, like probably smart advice to not make two. big of a deal about it because you don't want to inspire copycats of which there are some like you know two guys have tried and missed you don't want a third guy to try to be the one who pulls it off you know what i mean so just sort of let it at the same time we have to know what the truth is you can't just tell us oh yeah no this kid he didn't have a personality he's just a a body with a trigger finger and that's all you need to know like yeah no that's not going to be good enough we're going to actually

have to know what the hell is going on here at some point, you know? Yeah, he was building an info bombs in his parents' house. One does not do that in isolation. There were others involved. That's where I'm willing to plant my flag. I'm not going to say it was an attempted hit on Trump or anything like that. But I will say I do 100% believe that there were others involved, whether the parents were just letting them be stupid right under the nose.

and he was talking to some shady people online or whether it's more nefarious than that, I don't know. But there's more criminal charges that should be coming down the pipeline if we have any kind of competent justice system. Very interesting stuff, man. Thank you, Ken. We'll be keeping an eye on you, dude. Yes, sir.

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