Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 1/2/26 Jason Jones on Israel’s War on Christians

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

Scott interviews Jason Jones from the Vulnerable People Project about why American Christians are wrong to see the Israeli government as an ally.   Discussed on the show: The Jews by Hilaire Belloc “The Hindutva Lobby” (Harper’s Magazine) The Vulnerable People Project Jason Jones is a film producer, author, activist, popular podcast host, and dedicated human rights worker. And he is the founder and president of The Vulnerable People Project. Subscribe to his Substack. Audio cleaned up with the Podsworth app: https://podsworth.com Use code HORTON50 for 50% off your first order at Podsworth.com to clean up your voice recordings, sound like a pro, and also support the Scott Horton Show! For more on Scott's work: Check out The Libertarian Institute: https://www.libertarianinstitute.org Check out Scott's other show, Provoked, with Darryl Cooper https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show Read Scott's books: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine https://amzn.to/47jMtg7 (The audiobook of Provoked is being published in sections at https://scotthortonshow.com) Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw Fool’s Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan https://amzn.to/3HRufs0 Follow Scott on X @scotthortonshow And check out Scott’s full interview archives: https://scotthorton.org/all-interviews This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Incorporated https://rrbi.co Moon Does Artisan Coffee https://scotthorton.org/coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom https://www.libertyclassroom.com/dap/a/?a=1616 and Dissident Media https://dissidentmedia.com You can also support Scott’s work by making a one-time or recurring donation at https://scotthorton.org/donate/https://scotthortonshow.com or https://patreon.com/scotthortonshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You ladies and gentlemen of the press have been less than honest. Reporting to the American people, what's going on in this country? Because the babies are making this. We're dealing with Hitler Revisited. This is the Scott Horton Show, Libertarian Foreign Policy, mostly. When the president visit, that means that it is not illegal. We're going to take out seven countries in five years. They don't know what the fuck they're doing.

negotiate now end this war and now here's your host scott horton all right you guys introducing jason jones again he runs a NGO called the vulnerable people's project and he's got a great substack the jason jones show or also you can see his show and his writings and that is the jasonjones show dot substack.com and yeah happy to talk to you again. How are you? Oh no, all of a sudden I can't hear you anymore. Can you hear me now? Yes. Sorry about that. It's great to see it, Scott. Yeah, you too. How are you? And are you still in Palestine and you came back now? No, I'm, uh, I left the promised land and I returned to the holy land of Texas. There you are where you rightfully belong. All right.

So, you're on this NGO, but you're not CIA or NED or anything like that. You're like a real human out here in the world somehow, but you... Yeah, you know, unfortunately. Yeah, no, unfortunately, I think I'm a real human. Okay. Unfortunately, I appreciate that. I don't have a 401K. I think this, if I were in CIA, I would have a 401K, which I really wish I had.

Yeah, you probably... I'm sure they have better life insurance, I mean, a health insurance than I do. all right well listen i i think all people or should be if they're not already um you know rightfully suspicious of any kind of so-called NGO i guess the difference between a non-profit like the libertarian institute and an NGO is i think it's the the bangladesh i heard uh coined the phrase it's a next to government organization rather than a non-governmental organization and that uh so if you're taking government money then you're like doing their work or something but i don't know if you take government money at all i don't know if it's no you know all your group

an NGO or if it's just a non-profit we're a catholic nonprofit and from the child in the womb to the child in gaza you know all of our work animates out of catholic social teaching i founded the organization in 2002 trying to harness pro-life and conservative sentiment um to stop the enthusiasm to topple Saddam Hussein and invade Iraq. I, like, everything I try, I failed at that. You know, we did not stop the invasion of Iraq. I thought I had a genius plan. That's not all on you, bro.

We, you know, a lot of failed at that at the same time. Yeah. So, but that's how the organization was founded. And then we, you know, we grew from there. I've never taken government money. No government. And not out of any moral reasons. I just never thought of it.

But then when Trump and the first Trump presidency actually State Department and USAID invited me in and they asked me to submit a very large grant proposal for my work and I thought about it. And at the end of the day, I just didn't do it. And I'm in retrospect, I'm very glad that we never, but I just knew that when you take money from the government, you work for the government and that's just the way it is. average donors $120 a year. What's great about that is, you know, when you work for major donors, when you're funded by a few handful of major donors, you work for them. And they're

risk averse oftentimes. So I'm grateful that we're a small NGO and we're funded by small donors. Very cool. All right. The Vulnerable People Project, and that is Vulnerable Peopleproject.com. that's the site there and you just got back from the west bank right spent christmas in bethlehem i got that right i did actually i spent christmas in bethlehem and we also went to of course we started in jordan where i met with our logistics partners who are we're working with to deliver aid into the not only the last christian communities in gaza there are two christian communities left but also to the orphan we're supporting some doctors serving orphan so i went to meet with our logistics partner prior to Christmas. Then I went to Jerusalem. And from Jerusalem, we went to

the West Bank. We were all over. I interviewed, we'll be releasing it in the coming weeks. I interviewed the mayor of Ramallah, the mayor of Bethlehem, and also pastors and priests from different ecclesial communities, the Orthodox, the Armenian, the Anglican, the Lutheran, trying to get a varied perspective on what's happening there. Well, do tell then. Yeah, well, let me tell you, First of all, we had a major coup. Like Steve Bannon invited us to do a two-hour live special from Bethlehem where I got to lay out the propaganda that it's not their Muslim neighbors that are responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Christians in the West Bank.

It's the state of Israel. And it's their ever-expanding illegal settlements. And so to be able to say that on Christmas Eve, on Bannon's the room, I think it was a big coup. And now we see the response from Netanyahu and his allies saying that Israel is going to our ally and defeating the enemies of Christians around the world, which it's interesting because, I mean, you can look at the greatest sources of persecution are our allies, India, Turkey, and Israel, and our trading partner, China. So rather than it's not, you know, we don't have to go on all these military adventures around

the world, why don't we just ask our allies, Turkey, Israel, and India to stop fomenting the persecution and ethnic cleansing of Christian communities. It was Israel that armed Azerbaijan two years ago, and we saw an ancient Armenian community in Artsakh, totally ethnically cleansed. There are new settlements being approved every day surrounding the Christian communities in the West Bank. You have Shepherds Field now being almost completely, will be confiscated for a new settlement, this ancient Christian site.

encircling the Christian communities in Bethlehem and Betzahor. And Tebe, I was in Teba less than a week ago, and I met with the Latin right priest. That's the Catholic priest. I'm Catholic Latin right. We met with him, and it was really spooky to see the small Christian community surrounded by violent settlers. And then to see Benjamin Netanyahu this weekend

going to terror on acts and his commitment to protect ancient Christian communities, It's absolutely absurd. They could simply begin by letting us bring an aid to the churches in Gaza or letting the children with cancer in Gaza, the Christian children out, all the children out to get the treatment they need. But they refused Cardinal Pizabala's request. Israel has refused requests of the Patriarch and Pope Leo to allow those Catholic

and Orthodox children with cancer to leave to receive their treatment. And yet Netanyahu's on X telling us how he's going to protect Christians. It's unbelievable. They supported, you know, you're all. of our here, not to make you blush, but all of us watching and me being here with you, you're a hero of ours because you spoke out against Iraq and Syria. You know, Netanyahu was a key cheerleader for us shattering the secular equilibrium in Iraq that Saddam Hussein and Assad guaranteed.

Not that we love those thugs, but there was a secular equilibrium and the Christian communities were protected. We shattered the secular equilibrium. Netanyahu cheered us on all along the way. And we see now these ancient Christian communities being destroyed. And the same people that cause this catastrophe are promising to protect the Christians. I doubt that. Yeah.

Seriously, I mean, I guess it's been a little while since I looked at what's the latest news. But I know back then that the Chaldean community in Iraq was essentially obliterated. They just scattered to the winds. Wherever they were, they're living in refugee camps in Syria when that, the whole thing went to hell, you know, later on. And then I know there are quite a few major different sects of Christians in Syria that, you know, certainly were heavily persecuted during, you know, their subjugation under ISIS during the dirty war in the Obama years when ISIS

and or al-Qaeda, Nusra, or Jashal, Islam, or Arar al-Sham, and those groups ruled Christian communities. And then I know there's been, you know, massacres against them in the last year. since America and Israel and Turkey helped al-Qaeda finally sack Damascus at the end of November and beginning of December of 24 there. And so, yeah, add them up. And, you know, I just saw this thing, Jason, where, and this is understandable, right? Where if Americans who don't know anything about it just had to guess, they would think that in the Middle East, the Christians are on Israel's side and Israel is on their side versus the market. Muslim enemy. Everybody knows that, right? And they don't understand that the Christians there are

Arabs and are persecuted along with their Palestinian Muslim neighbors. And it's the Israelis who are their persecutions, not just by proxy like we're talking about helping monger wars in Iraq and Syria that led to these terrible consequences or align with Erdogan and this kind of thing. But explicitly bombing them to death, it's the Israelis. And I think people really would, are surprised. You see this kind of thing on Twitter where all Muslims will only kill anyone who refuses to convert. That's how Islam is spread. And so it's impossible, Jason, that there be such a thing as Palestinian Christians because the Palestinian Muslims would have killed or converted them all by now.

So facto, dude. And then if they did exist at all, it would be the Israeli Jews who protect them because they're our greatest allies. and that's probably why, right? Well, they say, you know, they say the line is that, yeah, Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Christians feel safe. Well, that's absolutely not true. In fact, you can go on YouTube and watch the Christian celebrations and George. I was in Jordan for Christmas, you know, before Christmas leading up to Christmas.

You know, not that there aren't enthusiasms of violence, not that there aren't Islamist extremism, but the. idea that the only place in the Middle East where Christians are safe is Israel is absurd. In fact, the only place in the Middle East, I don't feel safe is Israel, to be honest, when I go. I just feel strange and I can't wait to get to the West Bank every time I go. I just try to stay in East Jerusalem and then I go to the West Bank. I feel very at home at the West Bank. I have to say, I am charmed by the Israeli people.

I love the Israeli people. I especially love Haifa and I love going there and, being around my Israeli friends, but it's just an uncomfortable place to be as a Christian. And as soon as I cross over into the West Bank, I feel comfortable. I can breathe easy. In fact, you know, when you cross over on your what's on your ways or your map, whatever app you use, it'll say danger, danger, entering danger zone, and it turns red, you know, as if. And then you'll meet a lot of these American Christians who go to Bethlehem on these sort of package tours. to inculcate support for the state of israel and they really will share with you how daring and

brave they were to enter into bethlehem surrounded by islamists to go to the church of the nativity and of course i go to bethlehem for weeks at a time and it's you just feel so at home and i just brought two of my children with me um for christmas i wouldn't bring my children anywhere i didn't think they were safe now when i was nervous as when we went to tebaa and i was documenting settler violence and i was documenting settler violence i was worried because you know there's one village in the west bank that is predominantly american Palestinian americans you'll have guys who are lawyers you know there's one guy i know is a lawyer in anaheim and then he's a farmer back in this village but even though the majority of the village has a blue passports um these settlers are are

relentless and beating them up and they just beat up a you know a journalist an american journalist there so I was nervous entering Teba with my sons, A, because they're big, tough teenagers who I don't think would take being, you know, they're not going to not retaliate. So I just thought things could escalate fast. And, but fortunately, it was okay, but it was creepy. It was really creepy. But look, Israel has not only bombed churches in Gaza, and settlers don't only threaten and they put graffiti there.

For example, in Jerusalem, death to Christians was spray painted on a church recently. So there's all sorts of, there were hundreds of attacks in the past 12 months on Christians by Zionists in Jerusalem alone in the past 12 months. So, and all these new settlements have been approved. But Israel's bombed churches in Syria, in Jordan, I'm sorry, not in Jordan, Syria, in Lebanon, and of course in Gaza. And there have been attacks on churches in the West Bank. So Netanyahu can just simply, if you wants to protect Christians, you should protect the Christians and Gaza and the West Bank and stop bombing churches in Lebanon. Yeah. Expandesigns.com. That's my friend Harley Abbott's company. And he is the webmaster for the Scott Horton Show, as well as the Libertarian Institute. He is the guy that redesigned the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity website. He's done a lot of great work for other friends of mine. And unlike a lot of a lot of of webmasters and web developers and different guys that I have worked with over the years.

The thing is about Harley Abbott and his team is they do what they say they're going to do when they say they're going to do it and are just extremely reliable and extremely knowledgeable and 100% vouch for the great Harley Abbott over there. You got a website. You need it fixed up. You need a new one. Setting up a business. Working on any kind of online project like that, check out expanddesigns.com. So, well, I don't know as much about Lebanon, but, you know, please elaborate about that. But can you talk about the churches in Gaza? Because I know some of these were ancient churches that are completely destroyed, right? Yeah, well, on October 9th, 24, St. George Melchite Catholic Church was destroyed by Israel in Lebanon. You have these two

communities, St. Paphoreas, which is Orthodox and Holy Family Catholic Church. You know, St. Perforius is a church that, I believe, was planted by St. James, the brother of Jesus. And so, you know, you have, and the church goes back to the third or fourth century that it's been there. But even in the church in the nativity, there are bullet holes from when the IDF attacked the church two decades ago. So, yeah, and the Christians in the West Bank are every Christian hospital, every Christian school, and every church has been bombed at least once. All of the Christian homes have been destroyed. So I would say to Netanyahu, you're going to protect Christians?

All right, what about those two Christian women, those two Catholic women that were assassinated by a sniper in December of 2021 when they were walking out of the church to use the restroom? And an IDF sniper shot both of them, and Israel acknowledges this after trying to deny it. Why aren't we seeing soldiers prosecuted for war crimes? What about the commanders that ordered the bombing of the church or just this past summer when a tank took aim at the crucifix above the church, the cross above the church, killing several people and wounding the parish priest himself? So, you know, the war on Christianity by the state of Israel marches on, and their great ally India, we're seeing state sponsored and state supported violence across India against Christian communities.

and one state alone last year, over 300 churches were destroyed. So, you know, if President Trump and Netanyahu want to go on a campaign to protect Christians, let's start with India and Israel. Yeah, well, they won't be doing that. It's just public relations. But, you know, I, there's so many important things to go over here, but just on the overall kind of concept of just who's occupying who over there, that the American people, I feel like, are always just kept so much in the dark about this.

And as soon as they do see, here's the map, okay? And here's the way it is. Then they very quickly side with the Palestinians because they clearly are the ones being victimized by the aggressor. And that doesn't make them all perfect people or whatever and certainly not their armed Islamist militias like Hamas who do commit terrorist acts against civilians and all the rest of that, of course. But I have no question, really, of who's picking this fight, who's occupying who, who's bombing who. And I have found over the years that when I explain to people that, well, one, just it's the Israelis occupying the Palestinians, not the other way around, but that also the Christians are lumped in as the victims with the Muslims, not on the Israeli side, but on the Palestinian side.

That's who's being displaced of the Palestinian Christian and stuff. And it's really eye-opening for people because they've been conditioned, I guess, through media and whatever propaganda that like if it's just Muslims then screw them but if okay what if they're Arabs but they're Christians I mean that sounds like you got at least three fifths humanity going on there or something worth considering right that like they're kind of like you right like you got to stop and think about that for a minute right that they're not I'm going to be honest you know yeah no I know I feel guilty you know my assistant is Muslim and you know I think sometimes she feels uncomfortable because I'm always on these

media talking about they're killing Christians or starving Christians or killing Christian men and women and children. But obviously, I'm doing that in a desperate attempt to humanize the victims of genocide. And by the way, for the computer God algorithm sensors, I'm obviously using the G word there facetiously like the way that the American military did in Vietnam to justify obliterating people. I wasn't. What's the G word? I did. Oh, I said they're not just gooks. You know, that they're Christians, then they're a little bit like us. They're not just such others that somehow it's okay to just purely napalm all of them for some reason.

No, yeah, you're right. And I forgive you for using that word. I use that word with my wife, who's Chinese. Sometimes I wake up and I yell, gook in the wire and laugh. And she doesn't think it's funny at all. I think it's funny. So, but I think I did it. Well, this one ain't getting monetized.

Go ahead. No, we can edit that out. I apologize, guys. No, no, no, I already blew it anyway. I'm allowed to say it because my children are that. And the context is everything, man. I wasn't being racist against Asian folk. No, what you were saying is.

How racist people against Asian folk, how that same kind of idea translates around to other victims is all, of course. No, you know, we made a movie. I was involved in the making of a movie called Little Boy starring Kevin James. It's just an amazing film on World War II, beautiful film. But we wanted to highlight anti-Japanese prejudice in the film. And so we used a word that was used at the time. And we were, our film was totally censored because we used the language of the era to show racism.

But what, I get your point. No, yeah, it's sad. I saw a guy, a real historian from the University of History downtown somewhere or whatever on YouTube doing a presentation about how Nazi Germany suppressed the book all quiet on the Western. front and they censored it and this guy when i saw his thing he goes this is the sixth time i've tried to do this video youtube keeps taking it down and the whole time he had to talk about the bad mustache man that took over germany with the help of the yatsy party and all these things because if he doesn't say that he has to say some people who happen to have been of jewish distraction he extraction he can't just say hitler killed the jews of germany because

that the phrase alone, no matter the context, you cannot use these words on YouTube. And so here's a real historian professor from the university, the publicly funded one, who is censored by YouTube from doing any kind of reasonable presentation about German Nazi censorship of a book back then, right? And just because the words are there, not even based on the slightest pretension that the algorithm thinks that you're promoting the Nazi party and their point of view right now or anything like that. And you know what's sad about that, Scott? The most effective way to undermine virulent, hateful, and bigoted ideologies is through ridicule. But if we're not allowed to address them

through humor, through satire, through sarcasm, and through ridicule, they become really almost they can become completely inoculated to remedy. Ridicule is the best medicine sometimes for virulent ideologies. And, you know, one of my great fears is there is most definitely right now a very sophisticated, well-funded campaign to foment anti-Arab and anti-Muslim prejudice simply to excuse the genocide in Gaza, period. And so all of a sudden, people discovered Nigeria for two weeks last month, and all we heard about was Nigeria.

Now, my organization is in Nigeria. Not only do we guard the vulnerable Christian communities. We provide guards for the last Jewish community, by the way, something we did after October 7th. And so we were so excited to see that people were worried about Islamist violence against minority communities in Nigeria. But of course, it lasted two weeks. And it resulted in airstrikes that killed innocent people. Yeah, so exactly. And now we have Netanyahu pledging to defend Christian communities.

Well, our democracy in Iraq gave us the total ethnic cleansing of the Assyrians and Chaldeans practically from Iraq that survived hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years of Ottoman rule. But by the end of the Bush's second term, before Obama became president, most of the Christians had been ethnically cleansed. And then we saw ISIS eviscerate the Yazidi people. So God forbid, you know, what I don't get about a lot of these quote-unquote hawks, these chicken hawks is, you know, when Ronald Reagan said, what did he say, the scariest words in the English language or I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Yeah, it's also scary when we say that to vulnerable minority communities around the world. Like the last thing I would want to hear if I'm a vulnerable ethnic or religious community on earth is I'm from the United States government and we're here to help. Like, no, thank you. Bye, go, please leave.

That's what Harry Brown said. He goes, look, war is simply the biggest, big government program of all. There's just the post office with M16s. How do you figure they're going to do their job well? Their job is not even to do their job well. Their job is to just have jabs to do. Their whole thing is about spreading and creating chaos. There's American GIs that coined the term.

I remember ice cream cone. I think their job is to expend ammunition so more can be purchased. You know, when I was in the, army we would we would do i was a scout and we were for a light infantry unit and we would also have to be uh even though we were light infantry in 25th id hawaii we had to use um aty fours the anti-tank weapon we were being qualified in and they were telling us how much these cost you know like fifty thousand dollars a piece and we'd go through like 15 of them a day at the range and i'd say can i just not do three of them and you just give me 75 000 and we'll split the difference you

know but that was my job my i i thought i was lucky because i was getting to you know spend a million dollars in ammunition in a day i well you know drinking sweet tea in the sun and no that's that it's not why uh you know but people were making a lot of money just not me yeah no there's testimony it's in the documentary american holocaust narrated by martin sheen about vietnam where they have they show testimony in front of congress where the guy says that the bombs would load up would pile up on the tarmac they would keep getting delivered and so he had to keep delivering them dropping them on louse and they were saying they asked him like why are you bomb in louse and he's going because the bombs are piling up on the tarmac i got to get rid of them this i got this inventory so i everything must go it's the end of the year I'm trying to get rid of these bombs, guys, let's do this. And then so the people of Laos are just not even extras in a commercial here, right? They just don't even count at all.

And what are the decades of cost? You know, Carl Popper said it's five generations for a society to recover from a war. And we've had endless wars, you know, last year. And there's thousands killed a year from the undetinated cluster bomb units in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. Still thousands of years. And how many soldiers still are wrestling? with you know p i just watched song sung blue last night on a veteran who was um uh he he uh was

with his wife they did i forget neil diamond uh it's a it's a band from wisconsin the cover band a neil diamond cover band of 70 or 80s and 90s but it was about this veteran and it touched on his PTSD but you know is real last year we saw um the highest number of suicides on a record of IDF soldiers. Let me make a correction real quick. I think I misspoke when I said that. I think it's hundreds per year in Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia. And a total of, I think it was 6,000 something or 8,000 something over 20 years, something

like that. I'm sorry. I just didn't want to overstate numbers, man, I should, but still horrible little kids and old people are, you know, farmers and whoever getting their limbs and worse blown off. over bombs that literally LBJ and Nixon drop. What you're saying is every year or two, as many children in Laos die from unexploded ordinance has died in the October 7th attack.

And we're looking at 35 years, 40, 45 years later. And this is the cost of war and it lasts generations. And again, this is why I just greatly appreciate anti-war.com, you, your work, and your audience, because I just don't understand how we're not winning at this point. I just don't understand. We don't have the money. So we're not the power faction.

But in terms of the narrative, we absolutely are. I mean, Israel's name is mud. There's no getting over the people they killed. And just, I remember people got mad at me. I tweeted a picture about a year and a half ago or something of just two dead boys laying in the street that Israel had killed. And I said, Israel is just finished. They are never getting over this public relations disaster.

And people got really mad at me reading. to it that what I was saying was that that's all that's happening here is that it's a public relations disaster and that's not what I was saying. You can't wait with people. Yeah, right. Yeah, but what I was saying was this truth can't be fixed by a bunch of

Hasbara shoveling shit down everybody's throat and trying to tell them, oh, we're your greatest ally and the most moral army and all that. Oh, yeah, I seen too many pictures of dead kids with my own eyes and there ain't no amount of propaganda, no

amount of public relations, no matter how much you spend and how much you censor, can take that back. And if you listen to them talking, oh, it's the rise of anti-Semitism. Oh, it's the rise of anti-Jewish terrorism. And then you'll have entire polemics without any mention of the last two years of slaughter. Like, we're all that stupid. Like, we all think that that's what happened is in the last two years, people just started hating Jews a lot. No, it was Israel claiming to be all Jews while slaughtering people and while their lobbies worked overtime to censor their righteous critics for doing so in the Western countries. I mean, I don't know if you saw the viral clip on Twitter today is an Israeli billionaire

in America demanding we curtail, literally his words, the First Amendment, because we can't allow criticism of Israel in the United States of America anymore. And I'm just saying like, hey, man, like sound advice to that guy, he should shut the hell up because he is turning americans against that crappy worthless little country they don't even have oil they do nothing for us nothing except not nuke us no and blackmail our senators yeah they yeah and and they slaughter christians they foment the slaughter of christians and now and so this is the latest and i think it's the last it's the battle of the bulge right now and that's why i'm glad i'm on your show right now because this is their last tactic they want to

foment anti-Arab and anti-Muslim hatred and they want to make you so afraid of Arabs and Muslims that you support killing people all over the world no questions asked by the state of Israel that you turn a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing in Gaza which no one can deny that's what it is you can wrestle we can debate whether or not it's a genocide um and the war on the on the west bank And we as conservatives must not allow ourselves to be lured by this bait. They're, you know, trying to, they're using bigotry and hatred. It's just, you look at guys like Dinesh D'Souza, which Dinesh, you know, you're Indian. I'd like to hear Dinesh speak out against the rising Hindu violence against Christians in India.

I'd like Vivik to talk about this as well. J.D. Vance, be nice if you talked about this as well. you know we're seeing the rise of hindu nationalist extremism state sponsored anti-conversion laws all across india why to target christians who are who are proselytizing and sharing their faith in india um but we have israel you know this this this if you saw nettaniahu some publicist some evangelical publicist had his his ex account all weekend long and was just going on an endless like just rants about how committed he is to protecting Christians. And how about this? Stop the settlements in the West Bank and then we'll know you're

serious. How about this? Let Christian children with cancer out of Gaza to receive their treatment and let food and medicine in. How about that? When we see that, maybe we'll stop and listen and think you're serious. But I don't think you're serious. I don't think Ambassador Mike Huckabee is serious about protecting those Christian communities, even though he himself said that the attacks on Christians in the West Bank were terrorism committed by terrorists and acts of terror last year in a moment of sanity and clarity. Huckabee expressed the truth.

So that's why I'm glad to be on your show because we cannot let them foment bigotry. And by the way, it's on both sides, right? There are those who opportunists and grifters who are looking at the genocide in Gaza and they're using it to foment Jew hatred, that that does exist. But I think the bigger problem,

the most obviously bigger problem, is fomenting anti-Arab and anti-Muslim hatred, so much so that a prominent Christian conservative leader said to me that he wanted to turn all of Gaza into pink mist. And I said, well, you know, there are a lot of women, children, and Christians there. He said, kill them all and God sort them out, which I thought was interesting because that expression,

I believe comes from the Crusaders when they entered the Holy Land and they couldn't tell the difference between Christians, Jews, and Muslims and they were ordered to kill them all and like God sort them out. And so to hear a Christian conservative man who's never done more than five push-ups in a row in his life,

never served his country in the military, never missed a meal, never has known fear or discomfort, can just sit there and so easily say, kill two million people. But that's because he's afraid. He's a coward. and he's so afraid of Palestinians, which it's absurd.

So when you go there and you get to know the people, you know, I just wish every, like you said, if you go to the West Bank, picture COVID policy times 100 your entire life. Yeah. Hey, you guys, big news. I have just added part one of the new Cold War, my second course at the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom. Check it out, Scott Horton Academy.com. Got my terror war course.

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They're Asian. And most American Arabs are Christians, not Muslims. And so all these things get conflated, you know, in people's mind. But essentially, we've had upper class people from Southwest Asia coming here mostly. And so we have not had a lot of social problems from having Muslims in most parts of the United States. If, you know, Minneapolis and Dearborn and things, if people want to, you know, bring up stuff like that where you have a majority Muslim area, is and mores are changing and things you know whatever there there are legitimate arguments there about mass migration and that kind of thing but overall we have a very small what three percent of

the population of the united states are Muslims and they don't commit terrorist attacks like 90 of them were have been stings set up by the FBI in the first place there's been very few american Muslims have done any kind of lone wolf stuff although there are exceptions to that there have been some examples of that. But that's not the question. What we're talking about here, and in fact, if you want to talk about terrorism in the United States, the threat is American support for Israel, generating blowback terrorism against the American people in the first place. But what's really happening here with the demonizing Muslims and trying to make Americans afraid of Muslim and Islamist terrorism and whatever and Sharia law and whatever these kinds of propaganda

campaigns in the United States is, as you said, to give license. So American public opinion overall public support gives license to Israel to kill any and all of their enemies because they all look Muslim to me kind of thing like we're just saying the same the same people that they go to the west bank and the gaza strip yeah the same like paul singer that funded the israeli lobby funded the open borders lobby and you know it's our regime change that got us a lot of this migration i was in pietro santa uh Italy two years ago, and it was to my heartbreak that I saw a Syrian young man begging on this beautiful coastal town in Italy. Did this young Syrian man want to be in an alien civilization alone with no prospects of marriage or family life, begging?

Of course not, but our wonderful regime change wars caused all of this. We would have seen all of this immigration, if not for all of our war follies. And, you know, I was just reading Hillard. This might seem like a strange comparison, but I had just reread Hillar Belich's book, The Jews. And in it, he wrote it in like 33, 34, and he was responding to the Nazi party already at that time. And he said how the Nazis. Who is the guy you're talking about?

Hillar Belich. He was G.K. Chesterton's best friend. So they used to call him the Chesterbellic monster. really interesting character he was a british he was french and english a very charming writer um the path to rome everyone should read and um but he wrote this book on the jews and it's it's chesterton it said something in the mid 30s you know hillar and i started the the decade out as the last anti-semites in europe and we become the last defenders of the jews in the world But Hillar wrote in this book, the Jews, that, you know, the Nazis say they're going to save Western civilization from the Bolsheviks and Jews by, and then he listed all of the, you know, just not allowing them to practice certain professions, taking their property, this and that.

And Belich said, you know, you cannot break the social contract. You cannot make promises and commitments to people and then, you know, and then be unjust and say you're saving Western civilization. the Nazis are undermining Western civilization. And Belich wrote this, I could think it was 33, 34. And I would say the same for those on the right who think that, you know, when they speak so cruel or harsh about our Muslim neighbors, it's like, look, I agree. For example, I've supported SIVs and safe houses and evacuated American allies, the special immigrant visa holders who are promised visas in exchange for fighting alongside

American forces and serving as translators and putting their lives and their families' lives in jeopardy, we made them a deal, which was to give them a visa. Personally, I didn't like the SIB program. I think, you know, as a recruitment tool to your cruise line saying if the cruise ship sinks, you have a place on the lifeboat, I would have wanted everyone working alongside US Armed Forces to have skin in the game in Afghanistan's success. And I didn't think it's prudent to bring in all these migrants from Afghanistan. And then yet people say, well, but Jason, you've served the Afghan-SIV community.

Some of my best friends have become, were Afghan-SIVs that I've worked with now since the fall of Afghanistan. And I tell them to their face, you know, like, yeah, I wouldn't have supported. I would not have approved this program. And they agree with me. But the point is, we made promises, we made commitments. We welcomed people in. We gave them citizenship. now you just can't wake up and decide to abuse these people and to foment bigotry,

especially when it's so clear what the aim of this is. And the aim of this is to excuse the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza and to prepare the American people for the truth. Because when the whole truth comes out of Gaza, it's going to be unimaginable for people. People are not going to be able to comprehend the latest reports that they had infants and toddlers that were tied up and murdered that they found in mass graves in Gaza. These are the types of things people are going to have a very hard time processing. And when the real numbers of casualties come out of Gaza,

like I don't have a single Palestinian friend from Gaza that has not lost multiple relatives. And my friends are Christians, mostly. So when the truth comes out, the world's going to be shocked. And so they're preparing us for this by phone. momenting bigotry. And as a Christian, and this is where I'm grateful that I'm a Catholic is that the Christian, the Catholic understanding of the human person made the image and likeness of God and the idea that everyone is my brother and sister, that I have no enemies, and that those who

make me their enemy, I'm to love. I'm grateful that this is my faith. And again, we shouldn't be naive to Islamist threats. They're very real. We've helped fun. and foment a lot of these threats, our very own threats. So we should, first of all, stop funding terrorist organizations, as we have been doing relentlessly now for decades, and be serious to protecting ethnic and religious minorities around the world. What's this about the Israelis holding up your organization's aid into Gaza? Yeah, I mean, it's, first of all, I've never been allowed into Gaza,

and I've requested many times. We have been more successful than other organizations in getting aid in, and I think it's partly because we are so small. This July, though, you know, you may remember, we spent nine months working at getting 5,000 canisters of baby formula moved into Gaza, it took us nine months, something that was very important to me to do. And within hours of the baby formula being to live,

delivered. And Israel knew who we were. They knew they inspected the truck and the truck went to exactly what it was supposed to go. And then hours later, an airstrike hit the warehouse killing two contractors that worked for us. Then when NPR reached out to Israel for comment, the spokesperson said, we know of the organization Vulnerable People Project very well, but we weren't aware that we're not aware if we struck one of their warehouses or not. so it's very hard like cold-blooded murder and then lying yeah yeah it's either it's cold-blooded murder it could be lavender um in these different AI programs that they're oh yeah it's not cold-blooded murder if the bot decided who to kill then no one's responsible well peter teal is responsible

this is when you look at all of the journalists that are being killed we have one of two options right and all the aid workers that are being killed either it's israeli commanders are just ruthless cold-blooded murderers saying kill this journalist as she breastfeeds her baby because she's reporting on all of the infant mortality in Gaza, which is something that happened, a journalist as she was breastfeeding her baby, a drone lowered herself, and boom, targeted her apartment, her window, and killed her. Either that was a human being that made that decision, which I do not want to believe. I think it was lavender. Because what Lavender does is it gives everyone in Gaza a credit score, a social credit score.

It sucks up everything it knows about you. And so commanders can go into an area and looking at targets based upon their score. And there's something called Where's Daddy? And that's something that tracks these people with these scores. And they usually target them when they get home. Because when they go home, not only do you kill the person with the score. you kill their entire family. There's a new report about how they killed 700 family members of journalists, too.

Wait till a reporter leaves the house and then kill his wife and babies. That's what you get for telling the truth about us. And then they kill him, you know, later that day. But let him suffer knowing that the trouble that he got his family in, ha, ha, ha, first. And to think that there are people in our country, that their support for the state of Israel is based on their Christian faith. it's utterly absurd you know that the heresy criminal regime well you're a world traveler are there any other regimes in the world whose criminality compare to Israel surely not the

chikoms you know they had to make up a bunch of crap about how they had murdered 300,000 Uyghurs and all of this stuff in order to try to have something to compare to yeah I think the only ones you could compare it to is China sadly India is doing its best to catch up and they're learning you know india is learning that they can foment hindu vah hindu nationalist violence against christians and muslims in india um so long as they spread money around the right the conservative movement in the united states they'll be silent and so the same way we've seen the right silent on the ethnic cleansing and brutalization of christians in the holy land um we will we are beginning to see a muzzle placed on

conservatives on India. So I think it's very important that we also highlight. And there's the article by Andrew Coburn about how there was an effort to outlaw discrimination against people based on their cast in California.

And the tech companies lobbied hard as hell and killed it. After Newsom had said he would sign it. And like, so this is a thing where you would think somehow, I don't know, he might daydream that cast is left behind when Indians moved to the United States, but nope. They're rigidly enforcing their class system, their Hindu, you know, ancient class system in the United States of America, where everybody supposedly equal before the law

and equal in their rights and dignity. When all these tech brahmins lost their mind over visas for Indians, I wrote a substack saying that we should, shouldn't change at all how many Indians we bring in the United States. They should just come from the lower cast, none from the Brahman caste, and just give them all to Christians, other minorities, and the Dalit. Obviously, that's something that would not make the tech Brahmin's happy. This is about the wealthy in India exploiting our system and not giving opportunities to the poor, to the Christians, to the others. And I don't know. Why are you supposed to assimilate third world people into this society when Americans don't believe in America?

Americanism at all anymore, have never even read the Declaration of Independence, have no idea what the Bill of Rights says or what any of the, even the premises of any of these arguments even mean. So, you know, like the Simpsons, remember the Simpsons episode where they make Apu take the citizenship test and they like put him through the ringer. He has to know, he like knows the whole explanation for the Civil War and all this stuff, you know, like, I don't even think they do that anymore because the government, so the people who run the government themselves, they don't know anything about it or care anything about it either no i mean i got my bachelor's degree in political science from an american university and we never once discussed our system um yeah no it's it's it's

it's quite sorrowful it's quite sorrowful but i think it is very important that we highlight how our own allies are at the forefront of persecuting christians around the world because they're using the persecution of christians in places like nigeria which is it's a big country it's like a huge country. It's not Afghanistan. It's not Iraq. You know, it is a huge country. It's very complex. And so you want to, you know, and not that I, I don't want to see the Islamists dealt with in Nigeria. I do. I lost an employee this year protecting three seminarians from an attack. And he died. A young man died with a wife and children. So I understand that there's a very real threat of Islamists in Nigeria. But it just seems like a, the first point,

place that we could start is demanding that our allies ensure the protection of Christians and truly our greatest ally Israel be very easy for Netanyahu to stop the new settlements that are being built outside of Betzahor and Bethlehem and Tebe choking the very life of the oldest Christian community. And Scott, this is what I'm saying, this Hasbara campaign of Netanyahu coming out and claiming to be the great guardian of a Christian. it's a farce and if we stop this and if we use this to platform and tell the truth of what's happening in Bet Sohor, what's happening in Teba, I think it's checkmate. We cannot let this tactic succeed.

And, you know, I'm seeing people like Danish D'Souza and others tweeting out, you know, how fortunate we are now to have the Mossad and Israel protecting Christians. Okay. We're so lucky. You know, why doesn't Azerbaijan give Arzok back to the Armenians? Why don't we roll back that ethnic cleansing? Yeah, boy, that ship is sailed now. Man, if you have any money, you should be buying gold with it.

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That's Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, Inc. at R-RBI.co. I'll tell you what, everybody, libertarian and conservative podcasters out there listening to this too, if you want to get in contact with Jason Jones and get a real firsthand account of what things are like over there along these same lines, get in contact with me, and I'll put y'all in touch. Before we go here, can you talk a little bit about the pogroms on the West Bank? It seems like there's been a lot of violence there. lately. Some kook on Twitter said, yeah, but there's such a thing as Hamas in the West Bank

somewhere. There are some guys, I don't know, and then he linked to something at the Washington Institute for Near East policy. So anyway, obviously, Hamas has no, you know, authority there. I don't know if they have any presence at all, but this was invoked as a cheap excuse for all the land rustling that's been going on there lately. But it's been at a real increased tempo over the last couple of years there on the West Bank, obviously not quite as bad as the bombing campaign in the Gaza Strip. But am I wrong that the Israelis don't even really care about Gaza so much? Jared Kushner wants his little beachfront property and some of the settlers,

but it's really all about the West Bank. Judea and Samaria, God says we can kill you and take all of this and that our job ain't done until we do. That whole West Bank and maybe the East one too, huh? Yeah, and the settlers actually are more repulsed by the Christians and the Muslims because they see the Muslims as monotheistic, but Christians, they believe defile the land because we believe in Homo Euseus, you know, one God, three persons, and therefore we defile the land. So these radical settlers specifically hate and target and want to ethnically cleanse Christians. And that's why it's not a coincidence that the new settlements outside of Betzahor that have just been a problem. proved the violent assaults on the only Christian village left in the West Bank, Tebe.

They're not being attacked by teenagers. Netanyahu said he's discovered it's about 75 teenagers that are responsible for all the settler violence. That's interesting. Then why can't they stop it? It's just 75 kids. It seems like it should be very simple to stop. But I think they've backed themselves into a corner because we can really highlight the role

Israel is played in destabilizing the Middle East, exposing Christians to ethnic cleansing and genocide, or ecclesiocide, as it's properly called, on the cleansing of an ecclesial community from where they've lived for 2,000 years. You know, the Jews, I'm sorry, the Christians, actually the Palestinians descend from the people that were there at the time of Jesus. Then there were different invasions, of course. But they are genetically linked to the land, as are of course the samaritans and as of course are half the jews that live in israel are genetically linked to the land unfortunately the jewish communities were the first to be ethnically cleansed by zionism because it's really european cultural uh supremacy and so the jews from iran

from iraq from ethiopia from you know yemen their culture is is is quickly eviscerated and homogenized into the broader culture of Israel. So the first victims of Zionist ethnic cleansing were Jewish, the beautiful, diverse Jewish community. Well, maybe the second. Yeah, but I think by its very, the ideology's victim, you know, the first victim of the ideology is the person that holds it. Yeah, that makes sense.

And I see the settlers actually as victims of an ideology. When you go there, you're charmed by everyone, and you're just like the human condition, the older I get, what is it, Pat Buchanan said the older he gets, the wiser Russell Kirk becomes. And I feel the older I get, the wiser Hannah Arendt becomes. And I'm grateful for having read her. I would say that about Pat myself. Yeah, and Pat Buchanan was right about everything. And, and, but, you know, you go there and I find the Jewish communities charming, and my heart is broken that they're addled by such a vicious ideology. My heart is broken that the Palestinians are victimized through the Zionists by this brutal

ideology. And then what's worse is now in the United States, people that I'm very close to, some very prominent people in the media that are my friends, I've just watched as they have succumbed. They had to make a decision in the midst of this genocide, and they sided with wealth and power, prestige, insecurity, which they believe was continuing to advocate for Israel in the midst of this genocide. But it's the young, those under 30, like as you said, Scott, they're not going to unsee what has happened. In fact, the young man who works for me today, I'm working on an article responding to Netanyahu's tweets. And he said, Jason, I think we're going to have to do

another article responding to anti-Semitism after this because it's just, that's all that's going to come from this is the rhetoric from the Zionists and Christian Zionists is fomenting Jew hatred in the youth, not just the United States, but around the world. Yeah, well, that's all a positive side effect from Benjamin Netanyahu's point of view. And anti-Semitism has always been, you know, that double-edged sword has always served to Israel too, because they just want, they have a demographic problem worse than ever before or now. They need Jews around the world to feel afraid, so they'll go to Israel, even though Israel is the cause of the destabilization. that threatens them.

And I heard, you know, the greatest, most articulate spokespersons against this genocide are Jewish. And I recently heard a Jewish commentator say, where is the most dangerous place in the world to be Jewish? Where? Just outside the Gaza fence. Israel, like Israel.

Israel is the most dangerous place in the world to be Jewish. This calumny that to be Jewish in Paris or New York or Chicago is in some way dangerous, it's absurd. back two years ago, while evacuating Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt, we were taking them into hospitals, wounded women and children. And then I was interviewing them. And you could see the interviews at my website, Vulnerablepeopleproject.com. As I was interviewing them, I was working on trying to write an article assessing my own anti-Semitism to just confess it. But I really was finding trouble, finding anything to confess. But it was, as I was evacuating the Palestinians,

that I realized that a lot of, even though here I am serving the Palestinian community, that I still held to a lot of prejudices against the Palestinian community, that they weren't well educated, that they were militant, I'm ashamed to say, I believed a lot of this. And as I was evacuating them and interviewing Muslim women whose husbands were proud to tell me about how they worked hard so their wife could get their PhD or just to see the love between these families and the care and the worry one young Christian woman who's the IDF came in,

smashed her statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary, smashed her crucifix and put on her underwear, danced around and put it on YouTube on social media. And you can see it in the video. We have these IDF soldiers dancing around her underwear. We were able to get off social media. You know, she expressed concern for them. And she had said here her family was wounded.

She barely got out of Gaza alive, just in time to deliver birth to her child. And here she was saying, you know, these young reservists are so poorly trained and so propagandized that my heart breaks to know how they're going to feel in 10 or 15 years when they're alone in an apartment in Tel Aviv. And I just thought, wow, I can't imagine

that I would have such a humane and thoughtful response if I suffered or my family suffered in that way. And so I wrote an article called Help. I'm an anti-Palestinian bigot. And I just articulated all the ways in which I can assess that in my lifetime, I have been inculcated with prejudice towards Palestinians. And then we all have to acknowledge that. What we have witnessed this community suffer is really, really unbelievable.

And I'm proud to say young people have it right. And to see the boomer class criticize these young people for being horrified by this genocide is, you know, you'll see them say blatantly. these young people are being propagandized by seeing dead van jones said by seeing dead babies all day well because you can watch dead babies all day what maybe let's not make dead babies a wall of carnage is what the obama speechwriter lady was saying like how am i supposed to get through this wall of carnage yeah well you should have thought of that before you killed all those people you know i don't know why this is purely a has bar a problem to them right this is like what

Which radio and TV stations and social media platforms do we have to purchase to make this problem go away? Yep, but not going to work. Way too. And look, and they're lying to us. They're gaslighting us. And I'm sad to say, I'm going to write a really tough piece on Mike Huckview, somewhat I've known for many years, two decades. But there were people that were with him when he was visiting Gaza. And he came back with Wyckoff and said that he saw no signs of famine.

there were people on that trip that shared with me clearly that he saw with his own eyes famine and he's a liar and so to know that our ambassador he's really not our ambassador he's israel's ambassador to the united states yeah so they should pay his salary i mean i'm sure they they have probably they still come out of our ass anyway you know you're right it's one way or the other we're scott can i share something with your audience absolutely so if you go to our website vulnerable people project.com we have a donor that for the end of the year giving gave us a matching grant we quite didn't match it and he gave us another month but a vulnerable people project.com we provided i'm proud to say every christian family in gaza has received the pop-up home through

vpp in december and um we've distributed about a hundred to orphan communities that they're pretty big um but now we're trying to flood gaza with firewood it's very cold you've seen the the video um and so if you go to vulnerable peopleproject.com and you want to do something, help us keep people alive. They're dying of hypothermia. It's brutal. I'm glad I was just there, in fact, when I shot the War Room episode for Bannon, we were on top of this roof on Christmas Eve, and it was freezing cold, and my face was, you know, ice cold in my hands.

I couldn't, and I was thanking God, I'm like, this is going to really motivate me to raise money for firewood. like remember how horrible this feels right now yeah and look everybody you know the headlines on anti-war dot com every day including today feature children freezing to death or dying from the elements one way or the other last night it was a damaged building collapsed on a tent and kill the five-year-old girl and this is the worst health scape on earth and they just ban doctors without borders and save the children what is that are you no and i'm sure i'll be that You know, when we were leaving the country, they separated my team and questioned us all.

And I don't suspect I'll ever be allowed back again, but, you know, we'll do our best. We have an organ, you know, our organization is still operating in both the West Bank and Gaza, whether I'll ever be allowed back again or not. We'll see. All right. Happy New Year, Jason. Thank you for doing this. No, thanks for having me on.

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