Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 1/31/25 Kyle Anzalone on Gaza, the West Bank and Syria

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

Scott interviews Kyle Anzalone about what’s happening in Gaza, Jenin, southern Syria and Damascus. They start with Gaza, where eighty Palestinians have been killed since the ceasefire came into effe...ct. Anzalone then gives a rundown of what Israel appears set on doing with the West Bank and the territory in southern Syria that they now occupy. They finish with a look at what the new regime in Syria is up to. Discussed on the show: “Trump Insists Egypt and Jordan Will Take Palestinians From Gaza” (Antiwar.com) “Dear World: This Is What Palestinian Unity Looks Like” (Antiwar.com) “Israeli troops forcibly displace 20,000 Palestinians from Jenin” (The Cradle) Kyle Anzalone is news editor of the Libertarian Institute, opinion editor of Antiwar.com and co-host of Conflicts of Interest with Will Porter and Connor Freeman. Follow him on Twitter @KyleAnzalone_ This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, author of the book, Fool's Aaron, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and The Brand New, Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2004. almost all on foreign policy and all available for you at scothorton.4 you can sign up the podcast feed there and the full interview archive is also available at youtube.com slash scott horton's show all right you guys introducing the great kyle an zalone he is our news editor at the institute and opinion editor at antiwar dot com he hosts two great podcasts the first is called conflicts of interest and he has his co-hosts on there like Connor Freeman and Will Porter and others. And then he also has his new show, the Kyle Anzalone show, which is really great
Starting point is 00:01:11 over there on the YouTube's and all your favorite pod catchers and stuff. Welcome back. How you doing, man? Doing great, Scott. Thanks for me back on. Yeah, very happy to have you here. Now, tell me a bunch of bad news about Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, the East Bank, and the West Bank and all the banks. Yeah. I mean, where do you want to start? got with Gaza. Yeah, who's killing who. I saw that 80 something people have died since the have been killed since the ceasefire. Is that right? Yes, that's right. Israeli forces killed about 80 Palestinians so far since the ceasefire started. And these are not the, because they are recovering bodies from the rubble. And so that is actually adding to the number of Palestinians
Starting point is 00:01:52 killed counted by the Gaza Health Ministry. So they've recovered over 400 bodies from the rubble. But in addition to those deaths, there were also 80 Palestinians that were killed, I believe almost all by Israeli gunfire. And it's pretty here what's clear what's happening here, Sky, is that the Israelis are just firing on anyone who crosses any line that they deem, you know, that they shouldn't cross. And we know this because they actually killed an unarmed contractor who was working for the Israelis, who was just walking around and they shot him. And so, you know, they're just opening fire and killing people who are in areas that they're not supposed to go. Even if by the ceasefire, they're not supposed to be doing so. And really, there's no repercussions for Israel. The Americans are supposed to be holding them accountable.
Starting point is 00:02:42 But, of course, that's not going to happen. And Hamas isn't breaking the ceasefire over these 80 deaths. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what it would take, you know, for them to go back on the deal that they've gotten. No, which I guess is pretty good for them in terms of the ratio of people getting freed in the hostage exchange, et cetera. It's funny how the Israeli hostages are hostages, but the Palestinian hostages are prisoners, but they're not charged with any crimes or anything. There's kidnapped hostages. And I think it's fair to argue that at least some of the Israelis, not the civilians, but the ones who wore in military uniform at Israeli military bases on October 7th.
Starting point is 00:03:26 third prisoners of war and appear to have been treated as such by Hamas during their time and captivity. Well, now, can you elaborate about that? I saw some pictures where they seem to be in relatively good health, but of course, that's not everything that prisoner of war status guarantees. So is there more than that? Well, I think they provided medical care, which was important. And some of that, I believe, happened through the Red Cross during the time, at least during
Starting point is 00:03:52 the first ceasefire period. That was something that was supposed to have occurred. So, you know, providing medical care, obviously, if you look at the condition of the Israeli detainees that are being released versus the Palestinian detainees that have been released, the Israelis are in far better health, even though, you know, people in Gaza are starving to death and people in Israel are not. People in Israel have access to medical care. People in Gaza do not. And so Hamas has been able to provide these services to the Israeli detainees and captives throughout this time. And so, you know, I think that's a part of it. They were wearing their military uniforms when they were released.
Starting point is 00:04:30 I think that's another part of the prisoner of war status, you know, that they're treated in some humane way that they're not forced to be naked and in diapers like the Palestinians are who are captured by Israel. So those are some of the things to point out, made some prisoner war status. Yeah. Now, you talked about the people being found in the rubble there, but they still don't have, like, heavy equipment to lift slabs of concrete and so forth. So this is, you know, I don't know if anybody can extrapolate from, you know, the areas that they have been able to dig through so far.
Starting point is 00:05:08 But is there any indication of how many bodies anybody expects to find? So I believe the Lancet, about a month ago, reported that they thought the number was over 70,000. And that's about a 41% undercount. And so, 30,000 or so bodies, roughly you would, a thousand you would expect to find beneath the rubble there. And Scott, that's also going to get increasingly difficult because some of the pictures of the bodies that have been recovered, particularly in northern Gaza, where I don't think people have been able to dig through their dead. And a lot of that area was decimated right after October 7, 2023. And so, you know, the remains of these children being found are skeletal remains.
Starting point is 00:05:52 And I'm not sure how much the ecosystem in Gaza, similar to Mosul, Iraq, but I do remember that a year or two after the destruction after ISIS took over that city and then was vanquished by the Israeli army, our American and Iraqi army, that they were finding the bodies were like nested with rattlesnates and scorpions. And so this gets really just an absolutely nasty situation for people to have to go through. and I'm sure it's devastating for the families. They're looking for their relatives. And I'm sure discovering that, you know, animals have eaten part of the bias and things like that. And just find skeletal remains has to be absolutely heartbreaking. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:34 All right. Well, look, this always was the very worst part of Donald Trump. And it still is his Zionism. And he's, I don't know, he made some crazy announcement that actually just sort of shrugged my shoulders. Egypt and Jordan. You know what? We'll just have the Palestinians all go there. He undercounted the Palestinians still surviving in Gaza by about a million or so, half a million at least, and said, well, we'll just move them to Jordan and Egypt, build them some nice housing. And then they can finally have peace. It's going to be this real sweet favor he is going to do for the Palestinians there. And of course, as I assume, this is why I shrugged it off, I just thought, well, Egypt and Jordan are never going to do that. They're just not going to do that. But the top headline on antiwar.com, today is Trump insists that Egypt and Jordan will take the Palestinians. What else did he say?
Starting point is 00:07:27 Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much just what Trump said. I think in his statement is two sentences. He said they will do it four times. And he pointed to the leverage that the U.S. has over both Egypt and Jordan. And that's hundreds of millions of dollars in annual aid. And of course, all kinds of other security assistance and military equipment. and, you know, just the status of being a part of the U.S. Empire certainly has protected the regimes in Jordan and Egypt. You know, they both are dictatorships.
Starting point is 00:07:59 One's a kingdom. One's a military dictatorship. Trump has actually referred to the Egyptian dictator General Al-Sisi as his favorite dictator during his first administration. And so I think Trump is prepared to put pretty heavy leverage on Jordan and Egypt to get this plan done. And as you said, the first time he mentioned this, oh, that the Jordanians and the Egyptians will take the Palestinians. Well, this just seemed absolutely ridiculous to me. One, it's, you know, the U.S. outright aiding, right? You know, we're going to financially probably bribe these countries to take in these Palestinians.
Starting point is 00:08:37 So we're going to bribe them financially participate in an ethnic cleansing of two million people. I mean, that's absolutely insane. How could we do this as a country? And yeah, it seems like we're going to start moving forward with it. Well, not just how may we do it, but how can we do it? I mean, the Israelis just bombed the crap out of these people for a year and a half. They were able to force march civilian populations here and there. But it seems like maybe if they brought in the B-52s, but they're not going to send in the Marines.
Starting point is 00:09:11 So I don't know how they think they even could accomplish this, really, because the Palestinians are not going to give up. and leave. In fact, I'll get back to letting you finish your thought on the same subject in a second, but I wanted to throw in parentheses here that when the war first started, Ramsey Baroud wrote an article for anti-war.com and he came on the show and he explained, Israel's already lost. They can't win this war. We already saw him try to win the same war in 2014. What happened was the Hamas fighters popped their heads up out of the ground and out of the rubble and they sniped them and they shot them and they killed them. And the IDF decided they didn't like it. They didn't like dying and they withdrew and the same thing's going to happen again they can bomb the place
Starting point is 00:09:53 from the air but they can't occupy it so i don't know who's telling trump how this is supposed to work or what it is you know who it is that's made him believe in this possibility but we just saw that ramsie brood is right in fact he just wrote another article for antitwar dot com called yeah see well uh scott those are about all the things that i was going to say actually point to the Ramsey-Brewd article running on the page today. Well, there you go. And I actually haven't read this one yet. I read his last one before this, but still.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Yeah. No, he points out that, you know, once the Palestinians were able to, they pulled up their tents that were in the southern half of the Gaza Strip and they went back to the northern half and they're putting up their tents on the rubble of their old homes and they're just planning on rebuilding. And so, and Scott, I mean, you're talking about from the perspective of Hamas is going to continue to try to snipe and kill the Israelis. But what happens when Israeli forces come upon a Palestinian family, and rather than, you
Starting point is 00:10:56 know, accepting the force march, they throw rots at, you know, the rubble of their homes at the Israeli forces. Are they just going to open fire and slaughter all these people? Well, yeah. With the Palestinian determination, it does seem like that's what it would come down to. Well, I mean, that's the only people there are capable of defeating is the civilians, right? They can't defeat the armed men there. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:17 But they still got to deal with the civilians. And I don't see how it could possibly work. But at the same time, when Trump said this, the Israeli finance minister, Betzel Smaltrich, came out and said, this is an absolutely great idea. And I'm going to help Trump implemented. And the one maybe bright spot of the Trump administration with the situation is we are now in a ceasefire. And that's something that did not happen under Biden, except for the very short one at the beginning. And that's apparently because of the pressure that Trump's.
Starting point is 00:11:47 envoy to the Middle East, Steve Whitkoff, put on Israel and Netanyahu to agree to this ceasefire. However, Smoltrish just met with Wickoff and said that that meeting went absolutely great. So I guess it's very concerning as to what those two talked about that small church was happy about when he is openly saying that we need to move forward with Trump's ethnic cleansing plan. Oh, man. Well, and then so tell me about the West Bank, because I know as soon as they got a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, they went east. Right. Well, and there's, of course, two things going on, which is the actual IDF operations, which seem to be focused on the city of Janine, where they're tearing up the roads around the hospitals. They're trying to make it unlivable. A small church who we're just talking about said they're going to make the West Bank look like Gaza, the Israeli defense minister, Israel Cats, said they're going to take the lessons from Gaza and apply it to the West Bank. And, you know, certainly right now it's happening on a smaller scale.
Starting point is 00:12:47 It's not like they're pummeling the West Bank with heavy bombs as they did in Gaza. But they are destroying it. They are increasingly making it unlivable. Well, now the headline on anti-war.com today, it's a cradle piece. It says they forcibly displaced 20,000 Palestinians from Janine. So what kind of violence was necessary to accomplish that? That's a lot of people already. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Well, that's just where I was going with it, Scott. that what we have also in Janine and elsewhere in the West Bank is that once Trump came into office, he removed the sanctions that the Biden administration have placed on some Israeli settlers because they were going out and committing violent ads against the Palestinians to try to displace them. So on top of the official military operations, you have gangs of Israeli hooligans running around the West Bank and attempting to intimidate and sometimes actually killing Palestinian people. So on top of the homes that are being destroyed by the IDF, the people that are being pushed from their homes by the IDF, you also have these gains of West Bank and settlers emboldened by the
Starting point is 00:13:52 fact that Trump removed the sanctions on them who now feel like they have an absolute green light to just do everything they can to chase the Palestinians from their homes. And they understand the situation that they just saw play out in Gaza. we get them out of their homes we get them into tents and then eventually we'll convince the Americans to push them into Jordan yeah well I mean never mind that on the face of it these are all war crimes against the law illegal you know you can't do that but anyway it seems like worth mentioning as like a small asterisk here uh that this is all criminal under the world law that America wrote after World War II you know
Starting point is 00:14:35 Um, but then, you know, I wonder back to, I guess the question of, of Egypt and Jordan and any of the other Arab states actually, I mean, I guess maybe Trump is right. At some point, they will have to roll over for it. And what are they going to do? I mean, and listen, it just, isn't it easy to see how someone just convinced Trump that, look, man, this won't be solved until the Palestinians are gone. Once we get rid of them, then everything will be fine. But until then, it won't. And there is no other. solution than that and somebody said that to him four times or something and so now that's what he believes and that's a hell of a way to start a presidency off here man yeah especially on the heels of the last slaughter the last year and a half under the previous president and you know i would just add to what you were saying as these being war crimes i i mean these are just obvious atrocities right like just the most despicable acts that people do to each other there was a two-year-old palestinian girl that was in her family home who was shot in the head by an Israeli sniper. And one, you know, why I think there's the great series by a martyr mate, Daryl Cooper,
Starting point is 00:15:44 on the Israel-Palestine conflict in the first episode that one of the really important things they taught about is that genocides typically don't happen, like we see with the Holocaust, by just wholesale killing an entire race of people. What they do is they go into a village, they commit atrocities, they leave a few people a lot, to go and, you know, tell other people like, hey, you know, you don't want to have all of your women raped, all of your family killed. And I think that's, you know, what we're seeing here in the West Bank, where, you know, you kill a two-year-old girl sitting at her dinner table. And if, you know, you're that family's neighbors, are you going to risk the life of your child to stay into that household? That's how you're
Starting point is 00:16:25 going to force out and destroy and force the Palestinian people out of Palestine. And Israel has, and Jason Ditz is doing a fantastic job of covering this at anti-war.com just day in and day out. He's been covering the ceasefire that was put in place between Hezbollah and Israel and how Israel has violated it over a thousand times. But worse than that, they've used the ceasefire to go in and just destroy Palestinian, or not Palestinian, excuse me, Lebanese village after Lebanese village. They burn down the homes or they blow them up. And then when the ceasefire was supposed to end this past Monday, the,
Starting point is 00:17:02 people of southern Lebanon attempted to go back to their homes and the Israelis killed them. They shot them. They opened fire on civilians attempting to return to their homes. And so people stop going back to their homes. And if you do that, the Trump administration extended the ceasefire deadline three weeks. So now February 18th is the new deadline. But this is going to give Israel just more time to continue to destroy all the structures, all the homes. So people have nothing to go back to.
Starting point is 00:17:30 And who knows how many people are going to try to return on the. the 18th, if they think the Israelis are just going to open fire on a bunch of refugees attempting to get back in their houses. They took basically the border area on the Syria side between Syria and Lebanon and now control both sides of what were two sovereign states, Syria and Lebanon. And then they seized a good chunk of, I guess that would be southwestern Syria, including Quintera. And they blew up some of the villages in that region of Syria.
Starting point is 00:18:02 destroyed everything, forced the civilians out. And now they're saying they're going to occupy it indefinitely. The Israeli defense minister Katz was recently there giving a rallying, you know, statement to the troops basically saying that we're going to use this position to defend northern Israel. And I'm guessing northern Israel is going to start including quite a bit of what was formerly southern Syria and Lebanon. Hang on just one second for me here.
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Starting point is 00:21:29 Yeah, I mean, I guess on Jolani's behalf, this is one of the more powerful pieces of propaganda that's ever happened, right? That he's been able to remake his image as such that he was a, you know, wanted designated terrorist with a $10 million bounty on his head. And now he's the president of Syria and the U.S. government is apparently passing his organization, HTS, a designated foreign terrorist organization, intelligence on how to combat ISIS threats. And so he's somehow gone from al-Qaeda terrorists to puppet in the American Empire. It's a really interesting transformation. Now, this all came up in Tulsi Gabbard's confirmation hearing on Thursday because a number of sent, but particularly Senator Mark Kelly, I think he's from Arizona, really went after Gabbard on the Syria points,
Starting point is 00:22:23 saying that you were just spouting Russian and Iranian and Syria propaganda and how dare you repeat that. And Gabbard brought up the Timber-Sikamore program and said how disgusted she was that the United States was backing and arming our sworn enemies in al-Qaeda and did point out that that regime change was finally successful and did lead to al-Qaeda taking control of Syria. And so I think it's very good, especially if she becomes director of national intelligence, that some high-ranking official in the Trump administration is concerned that Syria is now ruled by jihadist. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Well, both of those things are in such tension. The first thing you said and the second, the first one, he's obviously been completely tamed and poned by Turkey and the United States of America. They dressed him up in a suit, trimmed his beard a little bit, told him to Ixnay on the E-headings Bay. And, uh, and his forces are running around carrying out summary executions. They've killed at least three dozen alouides by summary execution in the past week or so. Really? It's just that they don't care. Well, tell us more about their atrocities because I think this is obviously not getting played up in the post and the times.
Starting point is 00:23:39 Right. Well, you know, they are still carrying out the propaganda. Right. Jalani are one of his, you know, top lieutenants was pictured with a bunch of Christian ministers or, you know, other, you know, people of faith in Syria saying that, oh, look, you know, we're okay with the new government. But it seems that particularly the Alawites, this was the set of former president Bashar al-Assad are, you know, starting to be killed in large numbers and the dozens. And this is primarily in Western Syria, where the Russian naval and airbase war. And there are some reports that the Alawites are starting to form militias to start to defend their villages from HDS coming in and killing people. There was also a mayor of Damascus that was brought out somewhere in the Damascus region that was brought out in stone to death. We had run an article by Rich Sterling who interviewed a Syrian who discussed that atrocity. And so now back to the second thing. So now you got the director of national intelligence is exactly. the type to, and I agree with this completely, to say that, like, no, there is no
Starting point is 00:24:49 rehabilitating al-Qaeda. These are the enemy. They've just taken over the country. And I don't give a damn how much Joe Biden loves them. I don't. Neither should you, Mr. President. Which means war. It means another war. If that's the consensus, if it will soon be the consensus inside the Trump government that al-Qaeda is al-Qaeda and that's who we hate then it ain't going to be Hezbollah or Turkey or Israel or you know certainly not Iraq and Iran that do anything about it it'll have to be America will have to switch sides again again again again I lost count of how many times and I wrote the book on it man but that's my prediction because I just don't see any way around it.
Starting point is 00:25:37 They, as I said, yeah, they told him to stop cutting people's heads off so much. And you said, yeah, but they're masking people all over the place. Yeah, exactly, because there have bin Ladenite, insane lunatic murderers, of course. So, and they were saying, oh, Tulsi Gabbard, you're such a puppet of everybody else. And she goes, no, I just want to kill al-Qaeda guys. That's the enemy. And I'm paraphrased. She said, I hate them.
Starting point is 00:26:04 But, yeah, that's the point. And I really am so paranoid about them hitting. Because they're all different factions of bin Ladenites. They're not all under the control of the United States of America. They're just not. They're clearly not. And whatever. If you're cynical enough to think that our government would help them attack us, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Maybe. But certainly, without that, there's still a terrible threat. Four or five men, just one man with a trouble. truck and a rifle can do so much damage. Four or five, a team of a few guys could do so much damage in this country. And they have the motivation to do it. And so if Tulsi Gabbard wants to absolutely be paranoid as could possibly be about that and direct the intelligence agencies to one stop backing these cooks everywhere that they back them and to do everything they can to keep them out of this country so that they can't and to keep them from recruiting Americans,
Starting point is 00:27:04 so that they can't kill American civilians. I wouldn't be against that, but I don't want another war in Syria. That ain't going to end well. It'll just end up with America back on their side again anyway, or God knows what will happen from there. Well, I guess two things, Scott. One is that switch may already be underway. There was a report this week that the U.S. carried out a drone strike in Idlib, Syria, and it targeted one of these jihadist groups that actually of U.Gert made up of U.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Chinese. And so there were some reports that this was meant to be like a little hat tip from Trump to Xi Jinping in China to, you know, kind of extend the aisle branch there, which I actually think Trump did in early in his first administration and he bombed some Uyghur groups in Afghanistan and people thought that this was another way Trump was trying to reach out to China. The second point there is rather than going to war, we do have the option of just declaring this is an international terrorist group and should be treated as such on the international stage rather than, say, helping the Ukrainians funnel aid that I'm sure ultimately came from Washington from Kiev to Syria, right? Like, you know, we're doing things to actively prop up
Starting point is 00:28:20 this jihadist state, which may just come crumbling down on. So, you know, who knows how many of Giovanni's, you know, lieutenants and such are happy about him softening his stance in public. And and, you know, not enforcing maybe the strictest interpretation of Sharia law in Syria to try to look at maybe one, these lunatics will kill him. And, you know, the problem might just take care of itself in Syria. If the U.S. stops propping up Jihad Jolani, giving him all this good propaganda and we say, you know, this is a terrorist organization, our allies will not support or do business with them. You know, I have to wonder, oh, no, I'm sorry, I got to go, but I have to wonder about the rank and file at the CIA like the regular guys who's this is their jab like you're really going to be on the side of the terrorists instead of against them who really want to keep going like you just
Starting point is 00:29:16 mentioned trump bombed eat him the east turkistan Islamic movement allied with ISIS k in Afghanistan America was allied with the Taliban and taking their ass out how do you like that so what is CIA like the real like employees of the CIA what do they think about that? Do they think, no, we want to keep using these Islamist terrorists against China who we hate more? Or do they think that like, no, we don't like Islamist terrorists and we wish the Democrats would stop making us back them? Or, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, I don't know, I think that about the military, too. Like, they did hit y'all's Pentagon. You don't even care about that? You know, like when CIA had the Army Rangers training ISIS terrorists in Al-Qaeda Terrace in Jordan,
Starting point is 00:30:01 and then one of them killed four rangers like man how do you like being used this way guys are you really going to keep putting up with this it's just crazy not to be too Tulsi gabbert about it you know what i mean but it makes sense for her at least it's rational for her to be for the war against terrorism the war for terrorism is treason and so and she's in a pretty good place to help stop it So I'm pretty hopeful. I don't know, man. Or I don't know. I'm at least hopeful that she's going to convince Trump to stop backing them,
Starting point is 00:30:38 as he did in 2017 when he was first sworn in in July in the summer of 2017. He stopped back in the terrorists in Syria then, or at least mostly. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm rambling. I just, what a crazy situation. It's unbelievable situation. Yeah, absolutely is. I think there's hope with the military.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Remember, I think it was back in like 2012, 2013. It wasn't the CIA who was coming out saying that we were backing the terrorists. It was some of the military members who are, I don't know if you remember. It was Mike Flynn at DIA is who it was. Well, I just mean the soldiers who are posting pictures online. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said something like I didn't join the military to back al-Qaeda in Syria. Right. And I think that's what brought the issue to a lot of average Americans. Yeah. Was, you know, these soldiers in their fatigues, you know, covering up their name, but posting online what they were being forced to do here. I forget, was that Breitbart that was behind that?
Starting point is 00:31:34 Who was the main impetus behind that? I just remember seeing the photos when they were circulating. I think it was. And heroic work they did. They helped stop that war. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm way over time, man. I'm the worst at this.
Starting point is 00:31:47 I got to go. Thank you, Kyle. Appreciate it. Good time to you, Scott. Bye. The Scott Horton show, Anti-War Radio, can be heard on KPFK, 90.7 FM in L.A. APSRadio.com, anti-war.com,
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