Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 2/6/26 Kyle Anzalone on America’s Plan for Iran and the Savagery of Israel

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Scott brings Kyle Anzalone back to discuss some of the latest foreign policy news. They start with the US-Iran talks this week and Trump’s plan for striking Iran when the talks almost certainly fail. They then discuss where things stand with Gaza and Israel’s territorial expansion in southern Lebanon and Syria. Discussed on the show: “Fantasies of Fragmenting Iran Only Serve Israeli Interests” (Libertarian Institute) Kyle Anzalone is news editor of the Libertarian Institute, opinion editor of Antiwar.com, co-host of Conflicts of Interest and host of The Kyle Anzalone Show. Follow him on Twitter @KyleAnzalone_  Audio cleaned up with the Podsworth app: https://podsworth.com Use code HORTON50 for 50% off your first order at Podsworth.com to clean up your voice recordings, sound like a pro, and also support the Scott Horton Show! For more on Scott's work: Check out The Libertarian Institute: https://www.libertarianinstitute.org Check out Scott's other show, Provoked, with Darryl Cooper https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show Read Scott's books: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine https://amzn.to/47jMtg7 (The audiobook of Provoked is being published in sections at https://scotthortonshow.com) Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw Fool’s Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan https://amzn.to/3HRufs0 Follow Scott on X @scotthortonshow And check out Scott’s full interview archives: https://scotthorton.org/all-interviews This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Incorporated https://rrbi.co Moon Does Artisan Coffee https://scotthorton.org/coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom https://www.libertyclassroom.com/dap/a/?a=1616 and Dissident Media https://dissidentmedia.com You can also support Scott’s work by making a one-time or recurring donation at https://scotthorton.org/donate/https://scotthortonshow.com or https://patreon.com/scotthortonshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, man. How are you? Welcome back. Doing well, Scott, and I'm pretty sure it's libertarian institute. Oh, what did I say? com? Yeah. I'm stupid.

Well, somebody else owns that. I tried to get the URL from him, and he wouldn't give it to me. So now I just say it wrong. Dot org. It's not a nonprofit. 5.01c3. Oh.

Well, whatever. Anyway, you're in charge of the bad news over there. And there's a lot of it. Antiwar.com's got a bunch too. We sort of share the bad news with antiwar.com, don't we? That's right. Yeah, so let's talk about,

um, the Iran talks to start here, sir, if we could. Somebody met with the other guy there in Oman today, which is better than a big fist fight or a bombing campaign. But how much did we get out of it? What do you know? Yeah, I haven't seen much on the result of the talks. I know that there was at least several rounds of messages passed.

I think the Americans were refusing to sit in the same room as the Iranians. And so it's one of these situations where they got multiple, you know, conference rooms in a hotel. The Iranians give a statement to the Omanis. The Omanis are on over to the Americans. They discuss it. They issue a response. Now, you know, it was really influx that these thoughts were even going to happen, Scott. They were announced, I believe, on Sunday or Monday early in the week.

And then by Wednesday, the Iranians were asking to move the tots to Oman and also for the thoughts to essentially be bilateral between the U.S. and Iran with just the Omanis running the messages back and forth. Turkey wanted to host the tots and then have other Arab parties involved in other regional states involved in the tots. And Iran didn't want that. But the bigger issue was the Iranians wanted to limit the talks to the nuclear issue and the U.S. wanted to include the nuclear issue, the missile issue, Iran's ties to other groups in the region, and Iran's treatment of their own citizens.

And the end result was they agreed that the talks would be centered on the nuclear issue, but they could discuss the missile and Iran's ties to like Hezbollah, Hamas, Ansarala as well. Wow, so that's a pretty big climb down from the Iranian side then, that they're willing to discuss those things even. Yeah, I mean, I wonder how much they're willing to actually discuss them because, you know, they made it clear that they wanted the tots to be centered on the nuclear issue either way. And it was really interesting, Scott, this week, there was an interview in YNet, which is, you know, Israeli media. And they interviewed somebody from a mainstream Israeli think tank who said, the Iranians are never going to negotiate on their ballistic missile program or their ties to other groups in the region. Because that's all the deterrence that they have.

They can't give that up or they're wide open for attack. And so it seems even mainstream Israelis are saying that the conditions for the taunts that the U.S. and Israel's, are setting forward are meant to lead to no deal. Yeah. You know, it's funny, man, because you know, with Donald Trump, he could just change his mind from minute to minute even hour to hour. And so you say no enrichment, no nuclear program at all ever or else. And the next day, he'll say, we have to have a deal.

No nuclear weapons. Well, okay. I mean, they've been going along with that since 1968, man, since before the revolution, they've been members of the Nonproperation Treaty. And, you know, even if they restarted their civilian program that they had, that doesn't mean they're making bombs. So now that doesn't necessarily mean that he means to climb down when he says it that way. It could be that he just doesn't know the damn difference between a civilian program and a bomb

program or just doesn't care to try to figure out where on the timeline or on the progress line the Iranians might be when it comes to that. But at the same time, I guess, you know, as stubborn as the Ayatollah and his government have been over their right to enrich, which is guaranteed in the treaty, they have had a major setback. Right. So in a way, it's sort of fair to say that Trump really did call their bluff last June

and that now they really can't reconstitute a nuclear program without him bombing it again. In fact, I saw a thing where he claimed that, I don't know if this is true at all, but he did claim that maybe this was yesterday, that he knew that they were trying to restart something, and he called him up and told him, we know what you're doing. And if you keep going, we're going to bomb you there too. So don't even try it kind of thing.

So it could be that the Ayatollah realizes that, like, wow, I don't know, maybe the best I can get is no enrichment because if I enriched at all, he's going to bomb me again. He's already proven he's willing to and never even mind obtaining a bomb. How do they even get their enrichment program up and going again, much less obtain a bomb, before being subject of another air campaign? So, you know, it would make sense for the Ayatollah to just admit that his bluff is called and to import his uranium. You know, I'm not taking the side of the empire, bullying them out of their program, but I'm just saying it might be the responsible thing to do in this case.

You know what I mean? So it doesn't really have much choice. Yeah, I mean, it's the one of the frameworks that was reportedly, I guess, discussed by Turkey as they were trying to set up thoughts between the U.S. and Iran was Iran would agree to no nuclear enrichment for three years, which in the condition of their nuclear program, if they start rebuilding the facilities and gain the equipment, it may take them three years anyways. And so for Iran, that might not seem like a real concession. And then after that, they would only go up to 1.5% for a certain number of years, which would be more restrictive than the JCPOA was,

which I think the cap was 3.6% on the uranium enrichment. And then the other points were Iran wouldn't export weapons to Hezbollah or Ansarala, which I'm not sure to what extent weapons are actually going from Iran to either of those groups. I mean, I think for Ansarala, the evidence really isn't there that they ever had supported weapons. You know, they weren't sending them missiles and guns and things like that. Those are developed in Yemen. And even in Syria are with Lebanon and Hezbollah. A lot of those missiles were being produced in Syria before Assad's fall.

So I'm not sure to what extent that's really a concession for the Iran's at this point. either. And then the Iranians would agree not to, I guess, make threats with their missile program, but not actually eliminate it. So that might be the framework of a workable agreement. I think the problem that, you know, you probably have in Tehran is there has to be a lot of people sitting there saying like, hey, at some point, we have to go to war with the United States. Even if we agree to this deal this year, the Israelis will be threatening. They'll be claiming we're violating. the deal. And, you know, we saw with the JCPOA, it only took three years before Trump scrapped the thing. So what's the point of even agreeing to this? You know, there may be people in

Tehran who think, you know, the time is now to prove to the Americans that we're not just bluffing. It's not going to be a symbolic response. So I think, you know, we're really at a concerning point here. And another thing, Scott, even if these taunts are progressing along, We saw over the summer that I think from April to June, the U.S. and Iran engaged in five rounds of tots. They had a six round plan. The Iranians at the time were saying we're making a lot of progress. And then Israel just went and bombed them. And I think one important factor we have to say in all this is it does seem like Israel wants the U.S. to go back to war with Iran.

It's just a matter of timing. Last month, when Trump was considering bombing Iran, Adios reported in I think they probably have some good sources and understanding of the situation, even if it is biased towards Israel a lot. That was a call from Benjamin Netanyahu to Donald Trump. And Netanyahu told Trump that we don't have the interceptors in Israel to defend ourselves. America doesn't have enough interceptors in the Middle East to defend Israel. And so you can't launch this attack right now.

But that has changed quite a bit over the past few weeks. they've deployed multiple Patriot and Thad systems. I'm not sure how many, but one outlet report, they're going to bases in six different countries in the Middle East. So that's certainly a lot. I think there's eight destroyers in the region now, additional F-35s and F-15s in Jordan, and of course the aircraft carrier,

which I think a lot of what those fighter jets would do would go and shoot down the drone, so the interceptors, the missile defense systems, can really focus on the incoming Iranian missile. missile. So they, I think there's probably an idea in Washington and Tel Aviv that they are positioned for an attack. And I think it's maybe a matter of weeks sometime in February that we could see Trump order the stripes. Yeah. And now, I mean, at this point, all indications are that the target would be the Ayatollah and the ruling Mullahs and full regime change? Or is there some more

limited option that they're discussing of just hitting the IRC to make a point or something? You know, I've seen reports that they're thinking about targeting the Ayatollah himself. Others are more general saying that it's high-level strides. And so, you know, the U.S. may feel, I think Iran is very hierarchical in the structure of their government that if you take out a lot of top-level officials, it breaks the ability to communicate from the Ayatollah down to lower-ranking people, at which point, you know, they could activate their assets within Iran to get to the street. and then try to overthrow the Iranian government that way. I think that's what they have their eye on.

Of course, they'll hit military missile sites in Iran, maybe some more strides on nuclear sites. Now, there is, I guess, a debate in the White House of you can either go that route, the military route, or you can impose an embargo on Iranian oil, which I think will end up leading to war anyways. It'll just be a longer run-up to the war. I don't think Iran is just going to let America seize Iranian ships full of oil right off their shore and not have anything to say about, especially when there's a lot of cargo ships going through the Strait of Formos that would be very easy targets for the Iranians to retaliate against. So, you know, I think that's a path to escalate to war.

And, you know, I should mention here, Sky, I think one of maybe the most concerning arguments being made in the White House is J.D. Vans, told Donald Trump that he promised the protesters that he would intervene. He drew a red line. He told Donald Trump that Trump said to the Iranians that if you kill protesters, we will attack. And so by not enforcing that red line, you are allowing the Iranians to walk all over you. And I have to imagine that's probably an argument that resonates with Donald Trump. I see right-wing hops comparing Donald Trump to Barack Obama when he didn't bomb Assad after the allegation of chemical weapons attacks in Syria.

So I wonder if they're trying to kind of corner Trump in on his own words there. Hey guys, Scott here from Mundo's artisan coffees. It's the Scott Horton Show flavored coffee, breakfast blend. It's part Ethiopian, part Sumatra. It's really good. All you do is go to Scott Horton.org slash coffee and it'll forge you on there to Mundo's artisan coffees. Get it.

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but I saw someone tweeted that they're watching Fox News and it's just full war propaganda and not a hint of the possibility of consequences. of any kind, only if we don't hit them now, right? And like you're saying, it would be a very Obama-like thing to do to use diplomacy in any way here. That's the coward's way out and all that. Like, they're really trying to get him hemmed in there

as best that they can. And, you know, the Wall Street Journal, man, I should have sent you this. I'm sorry, or you may have seen anybody, but it was the Wall Street Journal had a piece that said that they're trying to communicate with the Iranian, Army generals.

And the way that they put it was they need to know that we promise and we will stand by them and we will support them if they will rise up and overthrow the Ayatollah and the IRGC, which to me sounds completely crazy. I mean, I have to admit,

I don't know who were the generals in charge and how ambitious they are and how willing to commit high treason they are. But boy, that sounds like a fool's errand to me, man. that this is the kind of planning that the Israelis are telling, oh, don't, don't work. We'll just parachute the monarch's son in there. That'll work.

Or, you know, we use M.E.K. Cooke's, the comiterre called, or, you know, I know what we'll do. We just call all the Army generals and we'll tell them, we support you. Right? Remember, they called all the Army generals in June and they said, we will kill your wives and children if you don't rise up against the government. and that didn't work. What they needed, though, Kyle,

according to Wall Street Journal, was a solid pat on the back and a reassurance that we love them and will help them. Doesn't sound like really anybody up there knows what the hell they're doing at all, you know? Yeah, and I worry, Scott, that Trump maybe feels emboldened

after the Venezuela operation appears to be very successful, at least in the sense of we went in, we captured Maduro and know, Americans died. I mean, that is, it was astonishing to me when I read that story, even if there were elements of the Venezuelan government that participated in it, the ability to kidnap the leader of a foreign country without any of your own troops dying, one helicopter damage, a few soldiers injured in that. It is quite an astoundingly successful military operation. And, you know,

maybe Donald Trump thinks we could do some of that same, those same tactics in Iran. were able to knock out the government very quickly. We'll get some people within the government to be collaborators and maybe stand down in certain areas to give us more of an advantage. I'm really worried they're going to try something here. And they're probably going to use all these tactics, right? It's going to be activating the MEC, the MEC, the MSA, the CIA assets within Iran. And by the way, I think the Iranians have a real problem on their hands here

because there's a lot of Afghan refugees that, you know, through the U.S. war in Afghanistan, but particularly, I think in the last year or so, that conflict, a lot of people fled over to the Iranian border. And my understanding is Mossad has really cultivated a lot of those people who have been living in abjet poverty, right? They're in refugee camps in Iran. When the Iranian economy is struggling, they're not pouring resources and welfare to these migrants from Afghanistan that the government just sees as a problem in which is they would leave anyways, which leaves them ripe for, you know,

intelligence to become assets. And so I think there's probably a lot of groups in Iran that are ready to go. And I've even seen reports, and Jose Nino wrote a real good article on this for us at the Libertarian Institute, talking about how they would like to basically break up Iran, right? The country is 60% Persian,

but 30-something percent. 10 to 15% Kurdish. And then you have all these kind of refugees or minority groups in the south of Iran that are either from Afghanistan or Pakistan. And I mean, you know, it could become a real like killing field style nightmare all over Iran if you try to break up the country. And you have all these different groups buying for power. Yep. And, you know, we know that going back to 2007, the CIA was backing the Pijack, which is the Iranian version of the Turkish PKK, or we call them the YPG in Syria, who are essentially communists. And in this case, you know, was backing them.

And someone had asked on Twitter just kind of joking around, hey, which all foreign-backed mercenaries are you think on the ground right now doing this fighting, Scott, during, you know, the fighting a couple weeks ago. And then I was just guessing, oh, probably Jondala, the Balukis, and probably the Israelis are working through Azerbaijan in order to support

Aziri dissident groups. And then why not throw in the Pijack, the old Kami Kurds, man? And then the next day, the Wall Street Journal, again, had a thing. They dropped the J. They're just calling them the P-E-K, or the P-E-A-K, maybe, without the J for whatever reason,

whatever it used to stand for. but um and then yep and they were bragging that america is backing these communist Kurds to try to overthrow the iatoll and they're the ones in the street chanting death to the iatola and all that that's not the she i majority of the country at all that's you know this foreign backed minority group and so yeah and that is there was a real danger right of overthrows that it would just turn to civil war it would just be all against all rather than some kind of new regime but it would just be like Syria 15 years ago. Yeah, and Scott, there's at least during the protest,

one incident of some fighting, it seems like not the Iranian government killing protesters are everything, but like a legitimate military battle between some group that was trying to bring resources from Iraqi Kurdistan into Iranian Kurdistan and the Iranian military trying to stop them. So we're already seeing like the very beginnings of this kind of maybe civil. Civil War and Iran starting if the U.S. really starts to try to arm up all these groups.

Yeah. Well, and look, what Israel has against Iran, which is why America has anything against Iran, is that, as you say, Iran supports Hezbollah. And at least in the past, they supported Hamas. I don't know how much support they've ever given to Hamas lately, but that's, you know, the Israeli conception of the thing. That lists to seven countries of Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Pearl and the boys from right after September 11th, that this is who we want to fight.

I'm sure David Wormsler had part and drawn that up to Douglas Fyth, that this is who we want to get America to fight, all of Israel's enemies. And last and not least, most important of all, the terror masters, as Michael Ladeen called them, in Tehran. And so if you're Netanyahu, your life's mission ain't complete until you get America to kill the Ayatollah.

I mean, that is end game here. They're not going to settle for anything less than that if they can find a way to do it. So then, so let's talk about Hamas and let's talk about the Gaza Strip. First of all, let's start with Hamas. Trump's whole plan for taking over the strip, rebuilding it, whether the Palestinians are supposed to be allowed to stay under that plan. They try to sort of fudge that part. Sometimes the Palestinians are meant to be gone.

Other times they're meant to be like low wage, call center employees or something like that. I don't know. But it seems like step one in that whole plan, though, is they have to give up all their rifles. And they're not going to give up all their rifles. So my question to you is, is the Board of Peace and the whole plan for,

well, forget the Board of Peace, but the Board of Peace's plan for the Gaza Strip, is it already dead on arrival? Do they have any kind of idea of what to do in the event that Hamas just completely refuses to give in here. Yeah. And it's really important, Scott, because Donald Trump has been out there saying Hamas agreed to disarm.

Hamas agreed to disarm. In October, Hamas was very clear that they did not agree to disarm. They discussed that they would be willing to disarm in the process of the creation of a Palestinian state. And I think I actually remember reading from Hamas officials, is not just, you know, if one day they say they'll be an independent Palestinian state. They were talking about handing over their weapons

to the new Palestinian government. Right. Right. That's right. They're not going to give up their weapons with the vague promise of a future Palestinian state. When this agreement was negotiated in October, there was an article in Thoughts News, right?

Fott's News speaking with an American official who said that when the U.S. got word that Hamas was willing to give up the hostages all at once. They negotiated at lightning speed to get the hostages released and intentionally left more important issues like disarming Hamas off the table. There was a vague agreement that there would be a process of disarming Hamas, but that was to be negotiated later. And again, Hamas was very clear as to their conditions for disarmia.

So no, Hamas did not agree to disarm. and they're not going to disarm, you know, even if the ceasefire was really in effect. But Israel has killed 550 Palestinians in less than four months since the ceasefire was agreed to. They killed over 50 Palestinians in the past week. On I think it was Wednesday, they killed 22 Palestinians. They killed a medic. They killed seven children, including two children under the age of one. Over the weekend, I think it was Saturday.

They killed 31 Palestinians on a single day. So what you said to do that. They killed two children. And then when the ambulance came, they killed the medic in a double-tap terrorist strike. And man, I saw a picture of what they did to that EMT, too, blew half his face off, half his head away. Just the most horrific picture. He's still got his plastic gloves on his hands. You know, he's going to try to rescue some kids.

And they murdered him for that. It's just sickening. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I saw pictures of this guy's corpse and like, Jesus Christ, you imagine that's somebody that you cared about that they did that to? It's unbelievable. It's impossible. And the attacks on the paramedits, on the hospitals, the kidnapping of the doctors, all of that is very intentional by Israel.

I think it's really clear now that in the days after October 7th, Ron Dermer, he was the Israeli Strategic Affairs Minister for the first two years of this war, very close to Benjamin Netanyahu drew up this plan and said, we could get rid of all the Palestinians in Gaza, but we had to make the conditions there so horrific that the Arab states in the region will see taking in the Palestinians as an act of charity rather than act of enabling the Israeli genocide of Gaza.

And so really key to that is making sure that, you know, there's not a hospital that you could take your child to, right? like if your child gets sick, you need to be able to get that child to medical care. You know, I got a daughter now. I understand this. And if there's no doctors, there's no hospitals, then you almost have to leave because what are you going to do? You know, let your child waste away or possibly die of an infection or some kind of treatable

illness because there's no hospitals. I mean, in the past week, Scott, there was that article from the Guardian where they interviewed eight Palestinian doctors and surgeons talking about how the Israeli. were like torturing them in their hands so they could never practice medicine again. I mean, can you think of a more demented thing to do to another human being than Tate somebody who spent their life training

to, you know, save innocent people. A lot of times children with these very intensive surgeries and then, you know, trying to break their hands so they can never do that again. I mean, it's absolutely disgusting. Yeah, no, the Israelis, they're barbarian, oriental tribe from a previous era of humanity,

they never went through the Enlightenment. They're not part of the West. They're more like Pashtun savages. I was going to compare them to the Taliban, right? Like, you know, if somebody said the Taliban was doing this or the Islamic State was doing this, Al-Qaeda was doing this, you know, you understand that that's how these groups operate,

but Israel is supposed to be the most moral army in the world. That's why every single year they take, $3.8 billion out of the pockets of Americans and send it to Israel because we had to support the only democracy in the Middle East. I mean, Scott, what would we do? We had to choose between the enlightened white people or the brown people that throw the gaze off of buildings. That's, you know, how they presented as the situation in the Middle East when the Israelis are just as barbaric, if not more than the Palestinians are. I mean, I guess the difference is. Oh, they're far worse than the Taliban. No, they make the Taliban look heroic. Are you kidding? The Taliban,

Taliban would take child molesters and hang them to death. The Israelis are child molesters, are child killers. They rape people to death in their prisons. They're much more like the kinds of people that America installed in power to rule Afghanistan during our 20-year colonization attempt there than the Taliban. They're far worse. You know, the Israelis are the most barbarian society and the most barbarian regime on the planet. I mean, who do you compare them to?

They're not worse than, I mean, they're not better than the Chinese communist. You know what I mean? Like Mao Zetong is dead. And they run a horrible police state, but nothing like, I mean, think of the lies that they have to make up this preposterous stories about China committing genocide in the Xinjiang province, which never happened, which is completely made up crap. Oh, don't you know, Kyle? They massacred 300,000 people.

Yeah, sure. Just like the Ayatollah massacre of 300,000 people in Iran in the last week and a half. Give me a break, dude. There's nothing else that compares to it. The cruelty of the Lakoud and their regime. And they're willing executioners. They are absolutely the moral equivalent of the German Nazis. They're just absolutely sick.

And that's why everyone hates them so much. And that's why they pursue censorship so much, is because they know that they can't survive this if people are free, to hear the truth about their barbarity and their criminality. Yeah, maybe only the RSF in Sudan. I mean, you know, they're going into hospitals and just killing every single person in there. So that's got to be the only thing on the planet right now that's even comparable. I mean, I think there's horrors going on in Libya, but they don't kill each other like this.

I mean, you know, they're kidnapping and torturing it, but the rampant killing and just not caring. And one other thing on the medical issue, Scott, Israel banned Doctors Without Borders from operating in Gaza this week, which, you know, when you've killed over a thousand Palestinian medical professionals over the past two years, doctors without borders was supporting a fifth of all hospital beds and a third of all births in Gaza. And so, you're, I mean, you're taking away major, major resources. And of course, I think one of the reasons Israel wants to do this is because foreign doctors are some of the, of the few credentialed people who could get into Gaza from the outside, right? Like Dr. Faro, Sidwa and so many others who have gone in and then come on mainstream American media channels speaking without an ad saying, just explaining to the people what's going on there. And because they're doctors, they're so believable. And Israel needs to stop that. So now it, you know,

it helps on the propaganda war from the Israeli perspective as well. All right. This episode of the Scott Horton Show brought to you by the books I wrote. You can see them behind me there. Enough already. Fools errant and then enough already and provoked. And then, of course, one might have fallen down there, but I got Ron Paul, the great Ron Paul, Scott Horton Show interviews and hotter than the sun.

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from somewhere, is if you're guilty and you know you're guilty and you're afraid someone's going to hang you from a noose because you're guilt. Yeah, I hope that maybe this is a step too far from the Israelis. I don't think any Americans believe Doctors Without Borders is a Hamas organization. I mean, you know, unruh, maybe they can make that or some of these other charities that do work in Gaza, they make these claims. But a lot of people, I know people who have done work with, Doctors Without Borders, not in Gaza, but just around the world, you know, nurses and things like that.

A lot of people in this country do a little bit of time with that organization. And so just by the, you know, you know somebody who knows somebody who is in Doctors Without Borders, you know it's not a terrorist organization. There's no reason for the Israelis to cut them off. And so there has to be some other reason. And that reason is Israel wants to make sure that Palestinian children can't go see a doctor. Yeah, sick, man. All right, last subject before I let you go.

They are spraying defoliant over southern Lebanon, the Israelis. What's the reporting out of there? And I guess just clear as could be, right? This is a plan for cleansing that entire territory and taking it over for themselves. Yeah, I haven't read much on that outside of Jason Ditz's work at anti-war.com. He's the one that really does a great job of everyday covering the Israeli aggression in Lebanon and Syria, right, where Israel seems to have his eyes on territorial expansion in both countries. Israel and the Syrians aren't taught right now in Israel saying they're

never giving back Mount Hermann. They've taken that and they're going to keep it. And it seems the same way in southern Lebanon. I mean, you know, the spraying the defoliage is disturbing enough. But they've even bulldozed and dropped bombs near the Unifil, the UNPACEkeepers there in southern Lebanon. It's very clear that they're just trying to drive the people out. And, you know, this, there's supposed to be a ceasefire in southern Lebanon that was established in November of 2024. I think since then, Scott, Hezbollah has fired a single rocket into an empty field in Israel. And that was just an objection to the Israelis who have bombed southern Lebanon well over a thousand times now. The UN says well over 100 civilians killed in those strides.

And it's just day after day after day, read Jason Dits at anti-war.com, go scroll through his archive. Israel kills three people. And just like in Gaza, they're not killing Hezbollah. They're killing medits. They're killing just members of a family, right? They just bomb a family home. And the goal is to drive the Lebanese out of Lebanon. My guess is that Israel is looking to establish a new border somewhere around the Latani River.

They've probably gone one boat's baints of it. so they have all the water resources and rights from that. But they are putting a lot of pressure along with the Americans. And particularly, I think he's serving as Trump's envoy to Turkey, Barack, Ambassador Barack. And they're putting a lot of pressure on Beirut to completely disarm Hezbollah. And the Lebanese government, and a lot of outside analysts are saying, if you do this, if you tell the Lebanese government that they have to go and take the arms away from Hezbollah, you're going to have a civil war in Lebanon.

And I don't think the Israelis would mind that whatsoever. The Lebanese are fighting each other. Then who's going to stop Israel from taking southern Lebanon? That seems to be the goal. You know, I think because of the, you know, seven countries in five years, the idea that we are going to have regime change in all these countries, people think that the U.S. and Israel have particular actors that they want in charge of all these countries.

When really, you know, we saw with Syria, the Israelis were openly saying that they just want the blood to continue to flow. They just want the war to go on. You know, they prefer the Sunnis win over the Shias and the Alawites, but at the end of the day, if they're fighting each other, they have nothing they could do against us. And that's, you know, the way Israel wants it. I think, you know, if Iran devolved into a civil war or the M.E.K.

To charge, either way for Israel is fine with them. I guess the U.S. would rather have, like, an established puppet in, the throne so we could say, ah, look, we successfully replaced the Iranian government, but Israel, I don't think, care. So I think they could probably push Lebanon into a civil war here is a very real possibility at this point. Man, all right, you guys, that is Kyle Anzalone. He is the host of the Kyle Anzalone show and conflicts of interest.

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