Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 3/21/24 Kyle Anzalone on the Deliberate Shortage of Medical Supplies in Gaza

Episode Date: March 23, 2024

Kyle Anzalone was back on Antiwar Radio this week to discuss the war in Gaza. This week, he and Scott focus on the humanitarian crisis — specifically the shortage of medical supplies. They discuss what’s causing it and what its effects are. Discussed on the show: “Physicians Describe ‘Most Appalling Atrocities’ in Gaza” (Libertarian Institute) “Israeli forces target aid workers in string of killings amid imminent famine” (Middle East Eye) Kyle Anzalone is news editor of the Libertarian Institute, opinion editor of Antiwar.com and co-host of Conflicts of Interest with Will Porter and Connor Freeman. Follow him on Twitter @KyleAnzalone_ This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Moon Does Artisan Coffee; Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For Pacifica Radio, March the 21st, 2024, I'm Scott Horton. This is Anti-War Radio. All right, y'all welcome to show. It is anti-war radio. I'm your host, Scott Horton. I'm author of the book, Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. and I'm working on provoked how Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. You can find my full interview archive, more than 6,000 of them now going back to 2003 at Scott Horton.org and at YouTube.com slash Scott Horton's show.

And introducing today's first guest, it's the great Kyle Anselaone news editor at the Institute and Opinion Editor at Anti-War.com. Welcome back to this show. Kyle, how you doing? I'm doing all right, Scott. Thank you for having me back on the show. Really great to have you back on. So you had this piece at the Libertarian Institute. Physicians describe most appalling atrocities in Gaza that you co-wrote with Will Porter there. Please, Philson, sir.

Yeah, Scott, so there was a one-hour interview of four doctors who have recently been in Gaza. And not only are these physicians, but these are physicians who are the heads of different medical groups that operate in Gaza and have spent years operating in Gaza from time to time. And so one of the doctors had like over 15 years of experience doing operations in Gaza. And so these are people very, very familiar with the strip and with Palestinians. And they were all just horrified at what they had seen in Gaza, saying it was the worst conditions that they have seen. One doctor said that he was still waking up in the middle of the night, you know,

basically in terror of what he had seen. and just abysmal conditions. One doctor reported that he, I want to read his quote here because I thought it was really powerful. He said, one child that I will never forget had burned so bad

that you could see her facial bones. We knew there was no chance of her surviving, but that there was also no morphine to give her. So not only was she going to die, but she was going to die in agony. And what was even worse was that there was nowhere for her to go and die. So she was just left on the floor

the emergency department to die and that's just one story i've seen multiple stories like that yeah it's absolutely sickening is there any i mean are they even discussing in dc or tel aviv about why they're preventing morphine and anesthesia and this most basic things for these people i mean i know they're deliberately killing them i'm not stupid but you know the situation that you just describe, why not let her have some morphine? And I mean the Israelis and the Americans, because they're the ones deciding whether she gets some or not. Right. So, you know, the doctors complained about this during the panel, but this has been well documented throughout. The head of UNRWA had recently said that the Israeli restrictions on aid entering Gaza is so severe. They're now taking

scissors out of children's medical kits. And everything is under the name of dual use, right? So if anything could possibly use by Hamas, and that includes antibiotics, that includes morphines and other sedatives, they said, you know, a lot of people in Gaza have very, very serious burns or amputations. And these aren't things that you have one surgery on. It requires a lot of very intensive medical care over days or else you're not going to survive it. You're going to get an infection and that's eventually going to kill you. And so without antibiotics and without sedatives to put people to sleep to do these very agonizing procedures day after day, is creating these, you know, post-aphylactic conditions in Gaza.

You know, even on our TV shows portraying the apocalypse, Scott, they have access to gauze and bandages. But I've read multiple reports, and these doctors talked about, rewashing surgical gloves because there's no more gloves, washing and reusing gauze because there's no bandages whatsoever. Imagine having people show. show up to the hospital with serious injuries, needing amputation, and not even being able to put bandages over their wounds.

It's unbelievable. And this term dual use? I mean, imagine taking that term and changing it from something could be used for an innocent purpose or could be used as a weapon or to make weapons. Right here, they've changed the definition to mean Hamas could use it, not as a weapon, but as a sedative for themselves, as anesthesia for themselves. That's what makes it dual use. You can't weaponize morphine. Right. And, you know, adding to the complications here, Scott, too, say you have a truck full of medical supplies prepared to enter Gaza. And then at the last inspection, the Israelis find

a pair of scissors, you know, some antibiotics or something like that. It's not that they just take this off of the truck and allow the rest of the truck to go through. All of that aid has to go through entire inspections process again. And, you know, time and time again, we've seen the photos and we've heard even U.S. enders complain that there's miles of trots lined up waiting to enter Gaza, and they can because either the Israeli protesters, the Israeli inspections, the lack of fuel, just so many problems, prevailing this from moving forward at all. It's anti-war radio.

I'm Scott Horton talking with Kyle Anzalone from the Institute and Anti-War.com about Israel's genocide against the helpless Palestinians in Gaza. And, you know, Kyle, let me ask you something. If I told you that Israeli civilian protesters are blocking aid trucks and they're blocking them with a big fun camp out and bouncy houses and cotton candy and their own little carnival for their kids to prevent food and medicine from getting to the poor Palestinian, you would call me a damn liar because that's completely crazy. That can't be right, right? No, I mean, that's what's going on and it's well documented, especially in Israeli media.

You know, this isn't something that's gained a whole lot of attention in the U.S. media, but this is something that has been documented. And even U.S. officials, including in the State Department, have kind of had mealy-mouthed statements about how, oh, well, the Israelis are kind of trying to do something about these protesters, but not really. One really important point I want to make here, Scott, and this is something that Dr. Menard, one of the doctors in that panel brought up, is that it really doesn't matter

if Israel increases the amount of aid that they're allowing into Gaza at this point because there's no way to distribute it. And so it can't get to the people it needs to get to. Medical supplies can't get to the hospital if the truts can't drive there. And just this past week, we saw Israel target not only humanitarian,

aid workers, just civilians, but also police officers who were escorting the aid trots in northern Gaza and just making it possible, impossible to transit aid anywhere in this strip. And so even if the number, you know, the big White House policy here is, oh, we're trying to get more aid into Gaza. And they're saying it doesn't matter if the number of trucks goes up, if you can't distribute it to where it needs to go anyways. And that's the situation that they're currently facing. And they're saying there needs to meet immediate ceasefire, which is.

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some aid workers were killed or is this story really demonstrate that they are targeting and killing aid workers the same way that they've been targeting journalists and their families and aid workers all along here, Kyle. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, it's been string of the tats. Last week, I wrote a story for anti-war.com five aid or five people, including one Unrow worker was killed when Israel intentionally hit a food distribution center and Rafah saying that, oh, we thought there was somebody from Hamas there.

And then these attacks in the north, though, are actually targeted at the people that they killed, including a police commander, Middle East Eye has this all written up. And the police and Gaza, again, are very important here for making sure that the aid is able to get distributed around the strip. If the police are there, they could escort the aid, but if not, it's getting mobbed. and also attached by the Israeli forces. And, you know, these are just, you know, little stories that we have here and there, Scott. But over the past five and a half months now, the WHO reports over 400 attacks on medical facilities

and over, I think, close to 700 casualties among medical personnel in Gaza. And this is something that the doctors on that panel described. In fact, Dr. Maynard described a situation where he was told by the victim of this that he was the surgeon was in an operating theater operating and an Israeli quadcopter drone so a fairly small drone entered the theater and shot him and so he survived he he didn't die didn't kill him but they actually shot a surgeon providing surgery and with a drone so this is like the most dystopian thing going on in Gaza and it's all underwritten by the u.s and give us the latest breakdown of the numbers of killed here i read in the wall street journal i think that

They killed a Hamas commander. Hey, guys, we got the number three guy. This is the first time that they bothered to claim that they even got a single important Hamas commander after five months of this genocide. There was one time early in the war where they did say they had taken out three of five, three of the five top Hamas commanders. And then that was widely dismissed pretty quickly. And so this does seem to be maybe one time where they actually were able to kill somebody high

ranking in Hamas. But in order to do that, they have slaughtered tens of thousands of people, Scott. And the official numbers from the Gaza Health Ministry is now about 32,000. UNICEF says 13,000 children have been killed. But these are undercounts. And so it's getting to the point where I'm almost hesitant to use those numbers. Because, you know, it is important because they are official numbers and official death tolls. But, you know, thousands of people are missing.

And now we see Israel just bulldozing large swaths of the guys. a strip with absolutely no care about if their bodies anywhere people who will never be counted and so it may be that we really don't understand the true devastation of this war for many many years to come and so that 32,000 number is there but that number is far higher I'm not sure how high but thousands if not tens of thousands yeah the fact of just bulldozing all those bodies away like that all those people buried alive right well you know a couple things I want to add there, Scott, on the numbers, they cite 70,000 people wounded. And I had to imagine that this had to be a massive undercount, seeing how there are people

dying on the floors of hospitals. So my guess is if you have a concussion or, you know, really anything short of maybe a broken lower limb, you know, a serious, serious laceration or something like that. You're probably not bothering going to the hospital or getting counted. And one of the doctors explained that about half of those people, half of those wounds, are moderate to severe, which means they're going to be a lifelong disability. So, you know, that's 70,000, that's a lot of very serious wounds. That's thousands and thousands, not tens of thousands of amputations or, you know, serious burns.

You know, people having no skin over large parts of their body that the health care system is now trying to deal with. And we had the Israelis time and time again rating these hospitals and shutting them down as the Palestinians are doing their best to care for the people there. One other thing I should bring up here, Sky, is that the doctors did bring up the resilience of the Palestinian people. And I have read that the people of Gaza in particular are not only trained to provide health care, but train to train other people how to tend to people in emergency situations.

And so they've been able to get a lot of volunteers into these medical facilities. And even after the Israelis come and raid everything is shut it. down. They're able to get them back up and running to some extent and provide some limited amount of care to people just because of the resilience of the Palestinian system. It's anti-war radio. Thank you very much for your time. That's Kyle Anzalone. He's news editor at the Institute and opinion editor at anti-war.com. Appreciate you, man. Absolutely. Scott, thanks for having me. All right. And listen to you guys, I am spending all week long every week writing a history book about the new Cold War with Russia here. But I want you to know you can rely

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