Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 3/26/26 Jason Jones on Helping the Innocent Victims of Israel’s Violence

Episode Date: March 29, 2026

Jason Jones of the Vulnerable People Project returns to the show to give Scott an update on how his organization is working to rescue and rehabilitate the people impacted directly by the escalating violence the Israeli government and Israeli settlers are unleashing across the Middle East. Discussed on the show: “Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say” (Scientific American) Jason Jones is a film producer, author, activist, popular podcast host, and dedicated human rights worker. And he is the founder and president of The Vulnerable People Project. Subscribe to his Substack. Audio cleaned up with the Podsworth app: https://podsworth.com Use code HORTON50 for 50% off your first order at Podsworth.com to clean up your voice recordings, sound like a pro, and also support the Scott Horton Show! For more on Scott's work: Check out The Libertarian Institute: https://www.libertarianinstitute.org Check out Scott's other show, Provoked, with Darryl Cooper https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show Read Scott's books: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine https://amzn.to/47jMtg7 (The audiobook of Provoked is being published in sections at https://scotthortonshow.com) Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw Fool’s Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan https://amzn.to/3HRufs0 Follow Scott on X @scotthortonshow And check out Scott’s full interview archives: https://scotthorton.org/all-interviews This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Incorporated https://rrbi.co Moon Does Artisan Coffee https://scotthorton.org/coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom https://www.libertyclassroom.com/dap/a/?a=1616 and Dissident Media https://dissidentmedia.com You can also support Scott’s work by making a one-time or recurring donation at https://scotthorton.org/donate/https://scotthortonshow.com or https://patreon.com/scotthortonshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Negotiate now. End this war. And now, here's your host. Scott Porton. All right, you guys. Welcome back, Jason Jones, to the show. He's from the Vulnerable People's Project. How you doing, Jason?

Good to see you, Scott. Good to have you back here. Listen, I see things on Twitter sometimes. I don't think I get emails like this, but I see things on Twitter saying, man, I'm this poor Arab-Palestinian from the Gaza Strip and the Israelis. They kill everybody I know,

and I'm desperate and hungry and starving. Can you please donate money to me? And I just think, no, because I have no way in the world knowing who these people are or how legit that is or the Treasury Department is later going to accuse me of violating some sanctions and donating to a group that's tied to a group that's tied to a group that's tied to Kamaas. And I'm just, I'm sorry, man.

I'm not going to touch that with a hundred million foot long pole. But then I've seen where your vulnerable people's project is, first of all, helping to deliver food, especially to Christians, but I don't think exclusively to Christians in Gaza. and then also you have this new thing. And man, I hate this, dude. It's so crazy to even have to talk about this in this way. But it is what it is where you're trying to help these kids,

especially children, I think, get prosthetic limbs after what the Israelis have done to them. And so maybe please tell us all about those efforts and what people can do to help you. Yeah, well, Scott, first of all, I get the same requests through social media for help. And because I have teams on the ground across. Gaza, I'm like, give me your pin. Tell me where you're at. We'll bring food to you. They've never been real yet. So I wouldn't feel too guilty. It's probably going to Nigeria or something like that or Bangladesh. But no, we do work across Gaza and we also work in the West Bank. Our work there began in the early days of the war. We were asked to evacuate wounded Christian women,

pregnant women and children. And so that's what we were doing until the Rafa gate was destroyed. and that we were taking them into Egypt, the Raphic Gate. But we continued to work across Gaza. For Christmas, we provided pop-up homes to every Christian family in Gaza, but also to widows and orphans. We were providing a steady supply of water, not only to the churches, but also to serve the doctors that were serving the orphan community.

There are 18,000 children in Gaza without a living relative. Just doesn't mean that they're orphaned, but they don't have an aunt. an uncle, a niece, a nephew, a cousin, a brother, nobody. And so we really try to work with them as well. So our two main programs in Gaza right now are Gaza smiles and Gaza walks. And Gaza walks, our goal is in the next 36 months to provide every child in the West Bank in Gaza prosthetic limbs. Last week, our first 12 children received their limbs another 12 this week.

And we're starting in the West Bank and working our way towards Gaza with this program. So we're really excited about that. That's great. I had kind of as realistic, but also like ironic and kind of snide comment in one of my books about how the only real benefit to the American people that you could point to from our 25 years of war over there in any real way is advancements in prosthetic limb technology. It really has been great, but it's necessity, the mother of invention there, because of what our government. continues to do to Americans and to their victims over there. You know, I have a friend Ryan Hendrickson. He founded an organization, Tip of the Speer Landmine Removal.

He removes landmines in Ukraine in the civilian areas. He had his leg blown off in the first Gulf War, Green Beret, 27 surgeries to reattach, the first of its kind. Now with our landmine removal teams, we have had volunteers lose limbs. And what they do now with prosthetics is light years, ahead of what they could do before the global war on terror. So I guess there is that.

And also drone technology, we were getting ready to use drones to break Azerbaijan's blockade in Artsakh by bringing in insulin for children. But so drone technology for humanitarian purposes. But no, it's been catastrophic. Into your point, Scott, and that's why I'm just so grateful to be on your show. You have been a clear and consistent voice.

when I hear people chastise you or people who are opposing this war in Iran that don't we care about women. You know, I still have democracy activists in safe houses in Central Asia that worked in Afghanistan that if they were to go back home, they would die. But Stephen Miller and the Trump administration

has welded the door shut. So they will not be resettled in the United States. There are still Yazidis who were victims of ISIS after we shatter. the secular equilibrium in Iraq, there are still 100,000 civilians in IDP camps in Iraqi Kurdistan.

So for these people that care so much about, who cared so much about the women of Afghanistan, that we abandoned them and never looked back, we cared so much for the women in Iraq, yet they're languishing in IDP camps a decade after we left. It's really, it's unbelievable, and now we have this chaos in Iran,

And in the West Bank, Israel is taking advantage of this, and their goal is to fully ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, but especially the Christians from the West Bank. There is a war on Tebe, the last 100% Christian village left in the West Bank. Just today, there were two attacks on Bethlehem, the Christian village of Bethlehem. I was just there for Christmas, and shots were fired and two Palestinians were hit.

You know, all of these Palestinians being murdered by settlers, there hasn't been a settler charged with the crime since 2020, so in six years. Yeah, but I saw on TV, oh yeah, good, I thought I was muted. But I saw on TV that the Israelis are America's partner in the war against the war on Christians in the Middle East. So you must be wrong. Well, no, they were for about three hours in December when people were starting to pay attention to the brutalization of Christians in Gaza and the West Bank. we were all told to look at Nigeria for an hour and a half. You know, vulnerable people project works in Nigeria.

We have for years. We provide security not only for the Christians against Islamist threats, but also the Jewish community there. But yeah, so they were concerned about Nigeria, but only insofar as it would distract us from the hell on earth that was in Gaza and the West Bank. Yeah. And, you know, Americans could be for,

forgiven for not understanding this because it's certainly never portrayed in popular media in a way that you would get the real understanding. And so I think people just assume that the Palestinian Christians are friends with and are protected by the Israeli Jews and that they're together allies against the evil barbarian Muslim Arabs who are the threat to our Judeo-Christian civilization. Nobody ever explains that it's any different. And so that would, I think, for many Americans, just be the assumption that, of course, we're not on the side of the group that's trying to,

what'd you say, ethnically cleanse an entirely Christian village in the land where Jesus walked? Nah, that can't be right. Why would the Republicans do that, Jason? Yeah, no, I have. have to confess my own ignorance, even as a human rights activist. Myself, when I was in Egypt evacuating Palestinian families from Gaza to hospitals in Egypt, I have to say I wrote an article because we were interviewing.

If you go to our website, Vulnerable People Project.com, you can see my interviews with these Palestinians, mostly Christians, but others who were wounded in attacks in the early days of the war in Gaza. and as I was interviewing them, I heard my inner dialogue. Like, they're not fanatics. You know, one of the husbands was like,

well, after my oldest, youngest child went to college, I told my wife to go get her Ph.D. I'm like, a Muslim would never tell his wife to go get her. And then I would try to probe them for anti-Semitism or Jew hatred, of which I could find nothing. And I heard my inner Joe Biden, you know,

when he said that Barack Obama, Obama was so neat and articulate. So great. For black man, I was listening to my internal dialogue. And I said, oh my gosh, I'm a bigot. And I came home from Egypt. And I wrote an article called Help. I'm an anti-Palestinian bigot.

And so the reality is that when, yeah, I have to take a deep breath when I hear people that I have respected say things like turn Gaza into pink mist, kill everyone. in Gaza, let God sort them out. I heard a prominent Catholic leader said this to me. And it's because they've been indoctrinated. But when you go there, it's the exact opposite. The Palestinians are the most caluminated people on earth, the most lied about people on earth. And we have been thoroughly indoctrated. Those of us who are over 30 and anyone over 30 to Gen Z is a boomer, I guess, millennials and up, are boomers. We're Gen X. So to Gen Z, we're boomers. We're boomers. We're but Gen Z has been just seeing the ethnic cleansing live streamed

into their phone via TikTok all day. And so it's interesting to hear older folks say how indoctrinated the younger people have been what actually hits those of you who are just watching Fox News and parodying, which you've been listening to the past 40 years about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. For me, it took me going there. And even after working in the Middle East for 20 years,

I still had to come face to face with my own bigotry. And, you know, the propaganda is powerful. You have in your introduction to your show the little snippet of the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter who was at Georgetown visitation, but went before Congress saying she saw Iraqi soldiers bayoneting infants and incubators. And I remember hearing her testimony as a young infantryman myself and it like whipped me into a frenzy. and they almost cut and paste the exact same propaganda from, you know, her testimony to what we were told Hamas was doing

with cutting off baby's heads and all of that, of course, none of that was true. So people are, they're scared and they're angry, and they find it really hard to believe how brutal Israel is to the Palestinian Christian community. And when they come to so many people, and they have to deal with it, the reality of it, then what they'll say is, well, they're Palestinians before they're Christians or they're not really, I've been told this by conservative Christian leaders that, you know, they have been Arabized so they can no longer be Christian.

And what's absurd about that is in the book of Acts, Arabic is one of the languages as it was being spoken. And so among the very first believers were Arabs and in the second century, the first tribes to convert to Christianity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After the Jews was Arabs. Was Arabs. So you have people that hold to a heresy that was created. It's like turtles.

It's absurdities all the way down, right? It's just nothing but lies upon, lies upon lies that the entire Zionist project is based. You completely erase the real history of mankind and rewrite some idiot cartoon to make it fit. You know? No, and it's, and you go to it. like your local Barnes and Noble. I took a picture of it all. It's all these idiot cartoon books.

They're all about, you know, the blood moon and, you know, numerality. It's like these fundamentalist Christians appealing to astrology and numerology and all of this Gnostic, esoteric crap to justify ethnic cleansing and like a push to World War, like a push to World War III with glee. I've never heard in the Muslim world the apocalyptic insanity like that you can hear an American suburban dispensationalist church. Expandesigns.com. That's my friend Harley Abbott's company. And he is the webmaster for the Scott Horton Show as well as the Libertarian Institute. He is the guy that redesigned the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity website. He's done a lot of great work for other friends of mine. And unlike a lot of webmasters and web developers and different guys that I have

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I'm tied with Dick DeGaron for defending the Branch Divilians, okay? If not, their foremost defender to the best of my ability this whole time for what happened to them. And they're good people, man. I've known some of them. I still do know some of them. but what a bunch of crazy beliefs. We're like, you're going to take the book of Daniel

and the book of Nakabakabakabak, and you're going to take the book of Revelation, and you're just going to cherry pick out all of these parts and then say then with confidence that you can predict how prophecy is going to unfold and the role that you're supposed to play in it and all that. Whatever happened to, no one knows the time or the place.

You're just going to have to wait around for the second coming. It's insane to hear people taking these positions that I know, you know, just from my limited knowledge, are contrary to the actual tenets of their own religion, that you're supposed to commit acts of war in order to somehow hasten the end of the world? Christians are supposed to do that? Come on, dude, that's not right. No matter what's your way out there on the prairie where you're not within range of someone who can contradict your idiot minister up there, you know? And that's the reality.

This is a theology that came out of the era where, yes, no one can contradict your idiot pastor when you're out there on the prairie. And this weird cult, this small little heretical sect has become dominant through Christian publishing, through Christian radio, through Christian television. And, you know, for me, I was an atheist. I was an Ayn Rand objectivist, atheist through my 20s. And I finally opened up the Jewish scriptures and then the New Testament with an open mind.

And I was struck, especially as I read Paul's letters and the other epistles at how universal the faith was. And that's what I found attractive. The two things that were just most striking to me is coming from sort of someone who was completely ignorant of religion and raised to really be, I was raised to be sort of anti-Christian. My grandfather was vehemently anti-Christian,

and I had been an objectivist since like the eighth grade when I read Anthem. You know, that's set my hair on fire. But what really struck me was here's a religion where God sacrifices for man. That was striking. And the other was this idea that there's no longer Jew or Gentile, that the human family is one,

that there is no other. I mean, fundamentally the Christian religion is unique and that it says you have no other. You are to love even your enemy. Just this week I was able to interview the CIA giant karaoke, the whistleblower on advanced interrogation. There's also a devout Orthodox Christian, and I was able to, and I asked him,

what was it like being a spy who worked up close and personal with these terrorists, you know, living out our vocationist Christians to love your enemy? It was a really interesting conversation, but to think that these dispensationalists can take a religion that was birth 2,000 years ago in the Levant around the idea that there is no other that you kiss lepers and kneel down next to women

caught in the act of adultery and hang out with Samaritans and Gentiles, you could take that religion and turn it into some sort of sick ethno-nationalist cult. It's really a feat to behold. Yeah, really is something. But like a lot of things, beliefs are, you know, really good for just separating us from them. And who believes what, as George Carlin would say, who's wearing which kind of hat.

And the more different the hat, the more likely the violence is coming, you know? Something really too that. So listen, wait in, I want to talk about prosthetic limbs for kids more. And then let's talk about what's happening on the West Bank. and let's talk about what's happening in southern Lebanon and Gaza and all that. I just go off, man. I know you know so much about it. And we can talk about Iraq and Afghanistan too.

Oh, hey. Well, whatever's on your mind for a while. But first, let people know how they can actually really participate in helping people. And, you know, give them, you mentioned it, but, you know, about food aid and whatever else you're doing. Let people know about the vulnerable people project, what you're doing, and especially, you know, the food and the prosthetic limbs on what they can. can do to participate here with you? Yeah, our website is our main website is vulnerable people project.com. I founded the organization in 2002 in the lead up to the war in Iraq, trying to, I was very active in the pro-life movement, worked for Pap Buchanan's campaign the year before,

you know, in 2000. And I really wanted to try to mobilize the pro-life movement, the conservative movement, to oppose any idea that we'd invade Iraq. And that's sort of what birthed our organization. was just how do we run influence campaigns for the ethnic and religious minority suffering, you know, because of our foreign policy mistakes. And so we, our mission is very simple to get between the vulnerable and the violent, to stand with the most vulnerable communities in the world promoting their interests. So we work in Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sudan. We still have safe houses in Central Asia for religious minorities and former American partners, in Afghanistan, we were, we never really worked in Gaza or the West Bank, but we were invited

into Gaza when the war first started because people knew of our success in evacuating Yazidi girls from Iraq, Ukrainians to the west. We moved a lot of the orphanages to the west during the Russian invasion, but our work in Afghanistan got a lot of attention. So people call us and say, can you help get people out of Gaza? We had never worked there before. So But we put our minds to it and we figured it out. And he set up an evacuation system to evacuate. I found out right away people don't like when you remove Palestinians. Palestinians don't like when you remove Palestinians from Gaza

because they're never allowed to return. And so in a way, you could be participating in the ethnic cleansing, thinking you're a do-gooder. Then our first rule is to do no harm. And so I was surprised to find out people were mad at me. But we were evacuating pregnant women, and children that would have died if they weren't evacuated. And from there, from that evacuation, it's really when I sort of came to see how horrific

the palestinian, the plight of the Palestinians. And then from there, we just started bringing in food and medicine. We do these Children's Day events, which I'm most proud of. We bring in swimming pools and food and icies. We have clowns and music. And the goal is just to make the kids laugh. Now our two main initiatives are Gaza walks.com. If you go to Gaza walks.com, for $2,500, we can give a child a prosthetic limbs. You know, I'm always, I'm very transparent. We're a small

NGO. You know, maybe this year we'll do, our goal is to do 400 children. And that's just a drop in the bucket. There's more children missing limbs in Gaza than the entire world combined. So it's a big task. But our goal is, you know, we have two. goals with this. Number one is to humanize the Palestinians, to remind people that these are human beings with hopes and dreams and families, their children. And so just by bringing attention to the fact that there's this amputee crisis in Gaza, hopefully we can stop some of this violence. And two is just to give as many children as we can the freedom of running and laughing. And we got the first videos in yesterday. We rushed to make the video that's on the website.

Gazawaks.com. And just to see that young girl smile like that means the world to me. And I think I sent you the video of one of our Children's Day events. All those children are war orphans. And so just to see kids smiling and laughing and dancing, knowing that they spend every night crying themselves to sleep, most of their days are they're hungry and they're cold and they're lonely and they're scared and they're confused.

And so if we can come in and make them laugh and give them joy, and I can't wait until the war is really over, and Israel allows me to enter. They have not, as of yet, allowed me to join our teams in Gaza. Hey guys, Scott here for Moondos Artisan Coffees. It's the Scott Horton Show-flavored coffee, breakfast blend. It's part Ethiopian, part Sumatra.

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Just go again to Scott Horton.org slash coffee. What's the exact web address there, Jason? GazaWox.com. Gaza walks.com. Okay, great. All right, so now, I'm sorry because we are running kind of short on time. Sure, sure. A few more minutes here.

Tell us about what's going on. If you could give us an update on southern Lebanon, I know that this used to be a majority Christian country and it still is a double-digit percentage. I don't know what. And I guess my understanding is that they had Christian villages all kind of intermixed throughout the Shiite villages in southern Lebanon

and that are these all now being destroyed? They're being destroyed. They're fleeing, in fact, last week. A million people displaced overall, right? A million. In fact, some of them were our team members. We were doing a conference call. last week in the middle of the conference call, the Christians in the Christian neighborhood that

we were talking to were told that they were immediately ordered to evacuate and that that neighborhood was about to be flattened. And so it was, it's just startling to be on a call. The hardest part of my job, Scott, is every morning, and I would like to bounce back to the West Bank for a bit, but every morning I check my phone, whether it's my teams in Tel Aviv or Tehran or the West Bank or Lebanon. And, you know, when, someone doesn't report in for a day, it's horrifying. In the West Bank right now, there's a new settlement that's just been approved. It's called Stemma, and it will separate Bethlehem, from Betzahor, the Shepherds Field. And what we're going to see is really the erasure of the last

Christians in Gaza and the West Bank, the last Christians in Bethlehem. And what a lot of people have to understand is, you know, it's most people think, well, yeah, that's the Muslims. that are killing them and chasing them away. That's not true. You know, for 750 years under the Ottoman Empire, you had about 70 religions that survived and thrived. And Christians were protected. They had demi-status. But it's been since 1948. It's been really since the British and the French arrived in 1948. Now we see the disappearance of Christians. You know, it was most Christians were cleansed from Iraq before Bush's second term was over. So we saw America's war there. Yeah. And the same thing for the Christians of Syria or the

victims of Obama's war. They're both of those at Israel's behest, even though they're America's wars. They're American Zionist wars. Yeah. And on our website, Scott, there's a beautiful video that we just shot in Tehran last week of the Jewish community. We always like to stand with those communities that we feel are completely isolated and without protection. And so I sent camera crews and teams in Tehran to document the plight of the Jews during the war. And, you know, it's, I'm not saying that this regime is Cupcake Christmas, you know, it's a brutal regime, it's an Islamist regime. But the reality is the religious minorities are more or less protected.

The Hazaras suffer great persecution at the hands of the regime. But, you know, what we see Israel doing to the Christian community, is unprecedented across the region. You'll have someone like Mike Huckabee say, Israel is the only place Christians are safe. There are Christians in Egypt. There are Christians in Syria, Lebanon. Because of Israel.

Yeah, I know. And it's true. Israel will kill them anywhere else they live. Yeah, even myself, like when I go to the West Bank, I walk all over the West Bank and I feel really at home and I feel really safe. I don't say that I feel really awkward and uncomfortable when I'm in Israel.

It's a strange, it's a strange feeling. You are in an ethno-nationalist apartheid state, and it really is an uncomfortable feeling. And, you know, I have a friend who's a settler. He's a Jewish settler, an American guy. I actually adore him, but he's addled by Zionism. And he was, you know, he was in his home outside of Bethlehem in a settlement. And I had called him and I said, I'm in Bethlehem.

you want to meet me for coffee. You know, he said, no, no, they'll kill me. They'll kill me for sure. And he really believes that. Like they really do believe that they're in existential battle. And then when you go into the West Bank and there's no war going on, there's just people trying to live their life under the most challenging of circumstances. And we have a website called SaveWestbankchristians.com, savewestbankchristians.com.

and it is one of our main goals at the Vulnerable People Project this year to stop the settlement in Stema. President Trump has been very clear. No new settlements. The State Department's been very clear. These settlements, every last one of them, is illegal. Trump wants them not only stop, but torn down.

But what does Israel do? We're hearing from Joe Kent. You had a great interview last week with Joe Kent. You know, they just ignore the President of the United States. They have no regard to what the President of the United States says. And we have Mike Huckabee, who I don't think he's a U.S. ambassador to Israel. I think he's Israel's ambassador into the United States. And he behaves openly as a foreign agent.

Like Ron Dermor and Michael Oren before him. Only, oh, they were actually American Israeli ambassadors to the United States. Same difference, though. Yeah, no, it's unbelievable. Then you have the Speaker of the House. Mike Johnson goes to the West Bank and visits the settlers that are attacking the Christians. And what's just so striking about this, Scott, is that these Christians in the West Bank

descend from the Jews that accepted Jesus. So you have to just look at these dispensational. I know not all evangelicals are Christians. And not even all dispensationalists. Pardon? Not even all dispensationalists. Are ethno-nationalists? Well, that's good to hear, yeah.

Yeah, because the dispensationalist thing, you know, I ain't no scholar or Protestant theology and this and that, but, you know, the dispensations are like these different eras in time and whatever kind of thing. So you can believe in that without believing that it's your role to help John Hagee, you know, somehow coerced Jesus into obeying your will and drawing the timeline of the dispensations the way you want it to be. A lot of regular guys, as you might imagine, would not presume actually to boss God around like that.

No. You know? No, yeah. You could build the temple so the Antichrist can reign and kill two-thirds of the Jews. It strikes me as bizarre. You know, in 2005, I was hired by a very wealthy Zionist woman and brought to New York City. And in the meeting was John Hage. And I had just left working from the RNC and the Catholic outreach.

And I was brought in to put together a strategy to get Catholics to be concerned about. about Israel's security the way evangelicals are. And I said, well, this is easy to do. We just have to find out what's the barrier to Catholic support for the state of Israel, which was, I already understood what it was. It was how they brutalized the Palestinians. And so I interviewed Palestinian Catholics

on what reforms they would like Israel to do. So my proposal was just very simple. Here are some reforms that the Palestinian Christian community would like to see enact these reforms, and then let's pause. publicize that these reforms are taking place through the Catholic media. Well, of course, I thought I was very clever, but I wasn't, and I was immediately fired. But John Hagee was in that meeting, and at one point he said, you give me the policy,

it's my job to create the theology. Ha! Oh, I like that. And I was just sitting there, and I was thinking, and I had been Christian for two years, you know, here I was. I was like one year of Catholic, and I'm already, you know, doing Catholic, running Catholic initiatives for parties and candidates. But it just was striking to me.

And I said, dear God, is he an atheist? Like, does he believe? Oh, no. Yeah, that guy doesn't worship nobody but himself. He is the most corrupt blasphemer in the whole world. I pity anyone who actually has faith in things that John Hage says. Like, whoever you are, no matter how deep you are, no matter how long you've been, and listening.

Today's the first day of the rest of your life. That guy's jerking your chain, pal. He doesn't believe a word that he says and everything that he says is some ridiculous twist. I mean, I remember, you know, moons and numbers.

It's like astrology and numerology. You could get raptured out of this building right now. But just in case you don't, here, pay up on the way out. Sucker. I mean, come on. That's the most,

I don't know, man. I know there are a lot of ministers who believe every word that they say, but man, there's a lot who couldn't possibly believe those shit. They're shoveling. John Hage, he's one of them, man, for sure. No, you know, when I was an evangelical for like six months, from atheist evangelical to Catholic, I didn't stick around evangelical space. But I went to Calvary Chapel and they would preach this.

And I would pray as I was listening to it, God, I pray this part isn't true. Like this doesn't, I please, I hope this. this part isn't true, you know? All of it's absurd. The prosperity gospel is absurd. The rapture. I said, Lord, I pray that I don't get raptured. Why would I want to leave when everyone else is suffering?

When all your saints throughout history have suffered and died for their faith, please, I hope this isn't true. And if it's true, you know, I don't want to go. And then I just started reading the church fathers as a young Christian. And then I was relieved that this is a new belief. and that the clear and consistent teachings of Christianity are held still by the Catholic Church. And, you know, I see Christian Zionism is not a heresy, but is an apostasy. Because if you, and I think it's anti-Semitic as well, but if you deny that Jesus is the fulfillment of all the promises to Abraham,

I don't see how in any way you're a Christian. And again, Christianity is a universal religion. It's very clear that in the temple at the crucifixion, the curtain was torn that separated the Gentile court from the Jews. There would no longer be Jew or Gentile. We're a family. We're a human family. So it's striking that they call those of us who deny that we have an other.

They say if you refuse to other the Jews, you're anti-Semitic. if you refuse to hate Arabs or Muslims, now you're anti-Semitic. And the one clear and consistent teaching of Christianity is that we're to love even our enemies. And that, you know, we're not a, we don't worship a tribal pagan war god. As Nanyahu said last week, well, you're just weak and naive.

Jesus can't defeat Gangus Khan. Yeah. Although there are billions of Christians today. Yeah, I think he defeated Genghis Khan. You were Mongols, yeah. I saw a funny thing. No, I shouldn't even. I don't want to put it out loud.

But it was funny. Just me and I saw. Listen, I got to go, man. I'm so over time, Jason. Thank you for what you're doing. Thanks for keeping us updated on the plight of the Christians. The Jason Jones show. Wait, I got the link right here.

Where is it? The Jason Jones show is on the substacks. with the rest of them. It is the Jason Jones show.substack.com. And interesting that you interviewed the criminal Peter Galbraith there. I'll be interested to listen to that. Tell me, how was he a criminal?

I didn't know it was a criminal. Oh, yeah. I think he was even prosecuted for some corruption in a Rock War II. He was also known for use in every last prostitute in Croatia. I think it was when he was over there representing Bill Clinton and the Balkans.

You know, I just found the guy so charming. I need to do more research. What I really, what I really appreciated about, about Peter was, you know, he was very clear and articulate and laying out, um, uh, the, the failures of the first Iraq war and how I got to know about Peter. And that's why I actually reached out to him. The first Iraq war or the second Iraq war? Um, the second of rock war. The second of Iraq war. Duffy Bush, yeah. Yeah. And how I first that was the one where he got in trouble for making money off of some oil deal with the Kurds or something like that. So I know the Kurds love him, and what I really appreciated with him is he risked his life

to reunite ISIS, the victims of ISIS with their children. Oh, yeah. That was a very brave and decent thing to do, you know. Yeah, fair enough. All right, listen, I'm sorry. I got to run. I'm just going to be there on today. Thanks, brother.

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