Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 6/12/26 Ben Freeman on the Plan to Quietly Integrate the US and Israeli Militaries

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

Scott interviews Ben Freeman of the Quincy Institute about Section 224 of the 2027 NDAA, which, if passed, would essentially integrate the entire US military industrial complex with Israel. Scott and Freeman dig into the consequences of such a change and how you can get involved in the ongoing effort to stop it. Discussed on the show: The Trillion Dollar War Machine: How Runaway Military Spending Drives America into Foreign Wars and Bankrupts Us at Home by William D Hartung and Ben Freeman “Congress quietly moves to integrate US and Israeli militaries” (Responsible Statecraft) thinktankfundingtracker.org Ben Freeman is a Research Fellow at the Quincy Institute. He previously served as Director of the Foreign Influence Transparency Initiative with the Center for International Policy. Read his work at Antiwar.com and Responsible Statecraft. Follow him on Twitter @BenFreemanDC.  Audio cleaned up with the Podsworth app: https://podsworth.com Use code HORTON50 for 50% off your first order at Podsworth.com to clean up your voice recordings, sound like a pro, and also support the Scott Horton Show! For more on Scott's work: Check out The Libertarian Institute: https://www.libertarianinstitute.org Check out Scott's other show, Provoked, with Darryl Cooper https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show Read Scott's books: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine https://amzn.to/47jMtg7 (The audiobook of Provoked is being published in sections at https://scotthortonshow.com) Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw Fool’s Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan https://amzn.to/3HRufs0 Follow Scott on X @scotthortonshow And check out Scott’s full interview archives: https://scotthorton.org/all-interviews This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Tax Attorney Matt Sercely https://agoristtaxadvice.com; Moon Does Artisan Coffee https://scotthorton.org/coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom https://www.libertyclassroom.com/dap/a/?a=1616 and Dissident Media https://dissidentmedia.com Sign up for the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom at scotthortonacademy.com You can also support Scott’s work by making a one-time or recurring donation at https://scotthorton.org/donate/https://scotthortonshow.com or https://patreon.com/scotthortonshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Negotiate now. End this war. And now, here's your host, Scott. Scott Porton. You guys, introducing Ben Freeman from the Quincy Institute, and he is also the author of this great book, The Trillion Dollar War Machine. And you might remember him from such great investigative pieces

as all about the Israel lobby and all the different Arab lobbies and the Ukrainian lobby and the arms industry, funneling money into all of their crookedness and all of these great reports that he does. along the lines of Eli Clifton-style reporting, which is the highest praise that you can give to somebody on subjects like that. And now here he has this very important article over at the Quincy Institute. Congress quietly moves to integrate U.S. and Israeli militaries.

So, and then it's about this law here, 8800, the National Defense Authorization Act for 2027. And I think the fight's already been fought and lost as far as the battle in the committees and all of that. And as far as I know, but maybe that's wrong. But tell us what all this is about because it seems like a big deal. Although on the other hand, there were others. He said that, oh, what a hyperbolic title.

And that's not really quite true. And so please tell us all about what's going on here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks, Scott. Heck of an intro, man. I need you all the time. But yeah, what we're talking about here, it's called Section 224 of the National Defense Authorization Act.

And basically, it's buried, and there's four pages in this gigantic, you know, 500-page bill. And so that's the quiet part. And what it does is it would integrate the U.S. and Israeli military industrial complexes more than they've ever been combined before. And actually, more, you know, I argue in the piece there, more of an integration than we have than within any other country in the world. You know, this would bring us together more than we have relationships with, you know, Australia, the United Kingdom, any of our NATO allies.

This goes well beyond any of that. And so the question here, you know, people can quibble, you know, all the ex-folks, you know, about the title or whatever. But the facts are the facts, that this would really be an unprecedented level of U.S. and Israeli military integration. And it's happening at a time when the American public wants to do exactly the opposite with Israel.

What's the distance ourselves from Israel? So, you know, we've been hammering this home as to raise awareness of this, to try and get U.S. foreign policy back in the hands of the American people and not special interests like the Israel, Bobby, like the Boeing's and the Lockheed Martins that you mentioned there, too. Yeah.

Man, so, okay, there's been this narrative. You know, we always talk about the clean break, David Wormser's hairbrain plan for getting rid of Saddam Hussein to somehow weak in Iran and all of that crap that he came up with for Benjamin Netanyahu back in 1996. What a maroon didn't work out that way, did it? But anyway, one of the things in there is an acknowledgement that Israel, is a pretty comy state where the government owns all the land.

And at that time, especially, you know, many more of the major industries and things. And they were saying that they needed to move toward capitalism economically, much more in there. And then I never took this as sincere. But a part of the doctrine was, yeah, and what we need to do is get out from under American military aid and make Israel totally independent from this $3 billion. a year, I guess it was then, and they've raised it since then to four. But there was always sort of this, at least narrative about being more Republican than the labor types, being more capitalistic than the labor types, and being more self-sufficient

than the labor types from the Lakud. And I saw a report about Netanyahu saying that recently, that like, yeah, we don't really want to be the direct recipients of this aid anymore. Now, I'm the type who figures that the alternative, which I think is what you're describing here, is they'll probably do that and they'll probably keep getting all the aid anyway. You know what I mean? Probably- The cake and eat it too.

Yeah. But apparently, I guess what I'm getting at here is when they say that, like, yeah, we don't need the aid. What they mean is we'll do this instead. And this is, as you say, and again, for like your background, you're very well-versed in how all this stuff works. So if you say that, like, listen, our joint cooperation with the UK on all these other projects is what it is. And you have a very good measure of that. And then to say that you can compare and say, but this goes to a whole other galaxy of cooperation and integration here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And to your point about Netanyahu, when Netanyahu is telling you,

and he has, he published a letter to a, member of Congress who introduced a resolution saying that Netanyahu himself, he describes this what's in Section 224 as, quote, my plan. And his congressman, Representative Stutzman, he introduced a resolution further describing exactly what Netanyahu is calling for here. So, you know, make no mistake about it, you literally have members of Congress saying, publicly saying, that this is Netanyahu's idea, that this is literally the prime minister of Israel is dictating the United States government's laws.

And so, you know, this is coming from on high in Israel. This is not some back channel thought. And Netanyahu's rationale on this is very, very clear. He sees the writing on the wall, U.S. public opinion, very much against Israel. That aid process, that goes through Congress. There's a vote before Congress. you know, Congress can at least potentially hold up that aid.

We haven't done a good job of doing it in the past, but there is oversight there. There is congressional involvement. With what he's proposing here, there's very, very little congressional involvement. This would get buried in the DOD bureaucracy, amongst other things that this bill would create is what's called an executive agent within the Pinnockupacom.

Then, you know, this is an unelected bureaucrat within DOD, the reports directly to the Secretary of Defense, whose explicit job would be to integrate the U.S. and Israeli military industrial complexes more together. And all of that's going to happen behind the scenes. You're going to get an annual report after the fact that goes to Congress. So the transparency is not going to be there. All the guardrails that we have in place right now for U.S.-Israeli relationship

are kind of chucked out the window here. So when Netanyahu's saying this, he's not doing a benevolent thing to say, let's, you know, we're good. We don't need the aid now. He, you know, he's going to keep having his cake and eating it too. And, you know, the more money is going to keep flowing into Israel through this. Yeah, you can see how that would just be so much more difficult to unwind any of that stuff. Just makes it impossible for American politics to change its mind. They're like, well, so many of our systems are in.

integrated with theirs, in for a penny, in for a pound kind of thing. Right. Scott, that's exactly right. And, you know, we've talked to, you know, data specialists, counterterrorism folks on this, former CIA guys, you know, we just had a responsible statecraft, just had a great piece from Paul Pallara in this. He was a 28-year CIA veteran. He's coming out against this. You know, Joe Kent, the former director of the Counterterrorism Center, he wrote an op-out against this, too.

anybody on the Intel side on the inside DOD realizes that if this thing goes through, then we're effectively pregnant with Israel's baby. And you know, we can't, you know, you can't just disentangle that overnight. You know, for some of this stuff, like the bill calls for data fusion and network integration or the exact terms that they're using. So when you talk to a computer scientist folks, they tell you that once your networks get integrated, it's all but impossible to disentangle that relationship. And because of that, because of that potential entanglement, that's why we're making such a fuss about this now,

so we can try and stop it before it really starts. You were right, Scott. We lost a big battle in the House. We lost a committee battle. Representative Rocana put in a bill, an amendment to the NDAA, that would have straight. Wait, hold that on the politics for just one second. I wanted to, on the last point there, I just wanted to point out this paragraph that you are here. We already worked together on all this, but this would expand coordination to seemingly every area of defense tech. AI,

quantum, which that's a big deal right there. Autonomous systems, directed energy, cyber biotech, and many more. Network integration, data fusion. So you're not really going overboard here. They are. Right? Like, yeah.

Yeah, and Scott, all of that is in the bill itself. This isn't been treatment, you know, kind of making stuff up. That's the way. It's about, too. I think, you know, your crystal ball here and looking at the future is so prescient and on point here that essentially we're turning Israel, which it already is, you know, integrating in the military industrial complex to such a great degree.

It is billions of dollars a year already and all of that. But here we're putting them almost directly in the same position that Lockheed and Boeing and them are in now. where they have liberally outsourced all of their parts production to 435 separate little congressional districts across the country for exactly those reasons. And here you're talking about,

no, it'll be just like that where they'll be able to say with a straight base, no, we can't shut off this joint project with Israel because that'll cost jobs in our county and we can't stand to lose 400 jobs that they're stealing the money from everybody else in the first place anyway. But you know how that goes.

those rents are sought and bought, then it's on. How do you ever turn that off, you know? Right, right. You think the Israel lobby is strong now? Just wait until they have jobs in every single concussional district. Yeah.

And that is exactly for people not familiar. It's exactly how they play it, right? Where Lockheed will get just one little gadget or one little sprocket, one little part of a thing made in as many places as possible across the country. Just so it's just even dozens of jobs. You know,

100 jobs, couple hundred here, there, whatever, that's enough to make sure that no congressman will ever cross them on any of the big questions because then it comes down to like, wow, Congressman, you are literally going to fire 500 people in your district, or two or 300 people in your district. Boy, what a bad reputation you're going to have. And the fact that they're allowed to set it up like that in the first places, just goes to show how completely corrupt America is, but also just show how hard it is to turn something like that off.

How do you turn that off? It's so hard, Scott. And to your point, when Bill Hartung and I were writing the trillion-dollar war machine, we set down some defense lobbyists. I mean, you know, we talked to them. They were very candid in some cases about how they use jobs. And effectively, they're using jobs almost like hostages. And they'll go into a congressional office.

And we talked to a lobbyist who worked on the littoral combat ship program, or as they called it in the Navy, the little crappy ship. Just absolutely on every metric, you know, just a terrible ship, a waste of billions and billions of taxpayer dollars. But the lobbyists on it, they didn't go into congressional offices and say, oh, no, this is a great ship, you know, this is going to do so much for national security. No, lobbies were very candid with us. And this story is in the trillion dollar worm machine.

They didn't go in with any of that. They went into a congressional office and said, hey, representative from Texas, uh, looks like you have 40 jobs from the littoral combat ship. program in your district, generating $5 million of revenue, be a real shame if something happened to those jobs, wouldn't it? Just a little number, how many, 50 you say? Yeah, 50. I'm just making up the numbers there, but it was every district, every congressional

like tens, not even hundreds or thousands, right? Just tens of jobs is enough. That's all they need, all they need, because then they could, if that member ever voted against them, voted against the Litorial Combat Ship Program, they'd actually. activate those job, those people in the dish. They go to those businesses and get them to raise holy hell right at home. And so then put the political pressure on them like that. And this is what Israel, what could happen if Section 224 passes.

You would have that, but with a foreign country, then running the strings, just like the U.S. military industrial complex does already. Right. And just like Israel already does already control the U.S. Congress to such, you know, completely significant degrees, most of them know to dare not cross the lobby no matter what. And so now they're just going to, and they're already completely embedded with Lockheed in the first place.

I mean, that's the biggest backers of the neocons and the, you know, Lekud movement in America, the Israel lobby in America is groups like Lockheed and especially Lockheed with Bruce Jackson, but also, you know, all these other groups. I mean, if you look at all the, as I know you've documented more than anyone,

you look at all those major think tanks, they're all financed first and foremost by these arms manufacturers in the first place. So this is just almost the ultimate expression of that incestuous relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Scott, thank you for bringing up the thing tanks. To your viewers, yes, I've done a lot of work on it's Eli Clifton has, but calling Nick Cleveland Stout has, but for your viewers here, go to think tankfunding tracker.com. We put all this information.

We've made it all publicly available. So you don't have to rely on, you know, the nerds like us for this info now. Go and look it up for yourself. You hear a think tank, you know, talking head on TV, you know, spouting off about the Iran War or some weapon system or whatever. Go look them up and see exactly how much money that they're getting from the defense sector. Uh-oh. Did I do it wrong?

Thinktankfunding.com? Uh, think tank funding tracker. Oh, it might be dot. It's either. It's either.org or dot com. I should know my own website. I don't know that track. No, but it's a great research.

and we wanted to put it out there. You know, we, Eli and Nick and I had been doing this work for years. Might be.us or something? Uh, dot org or dot com. Think tank funding tracker.org. Oh, there we go. Yeah, dot org. Got there.

We got it. Awesome. Yeah, man. Go check it out there. You know, we tell you, you know, we follow the money every day, but we wanted something to where, you know, your average user, anybody out there. You see somebody on Fox, seeing it, any of these mainstream media outlets, because they don't tell you about these conflicts of interest.

They'll just bring on somebody on the show, and they won't tell you exactly how much money is coming in from the very folks that they're talking about. Oh, wow, I like this. Foreign government money. Got it all. Pentagon contractors. That is just insane that foreign governments are allowed to back American think tanks

on these kind of problems. and not register under the Foreign Agent's Registration Act or any other lobbying statute either. When it's clear, like so much of the work that many of these think tanks are doing, it looks a lot like lobbying, but they don't register under, under Ferris. So we get very little disclosure about what they're actually up to, what they're doing for these foreign governments. Yep. I know the Atlantic Council is the big one where it's like the German Marshall Fund puts up this huge amount of money. They're like, well, I know you and I've talked about this for years, actually.

Right. Which in these groups represents the American people. Right? We have every foreign government in the world involved in this imperial court, but the American people like, who the hell are we? We have no say in any of the shit. No, no, no, we're not getting fun. You know, the American people don't have, you know,

millions of dollars like Lockheed Martin does to throw around a thing takes. Yeah, that's nuts, man. And it becomes kind of this incestuous system too, where, you know, every year, these are, you know, these think tanks, you know, like the Atlantic Council, they're just clamoring for more and more money to go to the Pentagon. More and more money goes to the Pentagon and then a huge chunk of that goes to these same contractors who then have more money to donate to think tanks to do it all over. And, you know, you fast forward, you know, for the last 70 years and you end up in the situation we're in right now, a trillion dollar military budget. Trump is trying to push to $1.5 trillion now. Yeah. All right.

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One of the most important, you know, supposedly Democrat leaning, I guess, you know, Democrat leaning, Kaganite type thing tanks up there. Lockheed gives them, Lockheed gives them a measly, stinking, $700,000 a year, and that buys them hundreds of billions of dollars worth of influence, ultimately, you know, a couple of hundred thousand here, a couple of hundred thousand there to finance what a couple of dozen think tanks at most is the entire force of think tanks that

you need to completely pown American foreign policy and determine every bit of this stuff. Right. all the studies and groom all the apparatchiks. And it's just these totals are so low. Oh, yeah. It's insane to think. What, like, compared to the tax revenue that they're pulling in, you know, I'm not good at math on the fly,

but these are like 0.000,000,000, 0,000 something percent of that, you know? Right, right. I mean, in the Lockheed case, you know, compare it to the cost of 1F35, 1F35, is in the neighborhood of $100 million, right? So for less than, 1% of one F-35, they're getting this influence at one of the most important think tanks in town. It's crazy. You're exactly right.

Man, it's nuts. So there you have it, everyone. That's a great one, man. Think tank funding tracker.org, and you got them all. And this is, I assume, you know, updated for the yearly reports and all of that stuff too into the future, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We updated it every year. We just updated it a few months ago.

We'll update it. We wait till the end of the year to get all the annual reports and then we do an update kind of in the early part of the year. But yeah, yeah. I know this is too that CNAS and Carnegie

and these others New America too that they get money from the national government. That's right. Yeah. The year. Yeah.

You know, they got no shame whatsoever these people to go ahead and take money from the national government to be a so-called think tank influencing the government there and just, trade of cash and checks from the DOD, too.

Oh, yeah. When we say U.S. government in the database, we did track all U.S. government funding here, but the vast, vast majority of it is coming from one agency, DOD. Yeah, and state too, yeah. Yeah, states up in there. But, you know, between the two of those, I think they were something like 90-plus percent of all the U.S. government funding. Yeah.

Council and foreign relations still huge in there. It's remarkable. I mean, you know, it's funny because, at the Quincy Institute, we don't take foreign government money. We don't take funding from defense contractors. We don't take U.S. government funding. And so when we look at that sheet, you know, people have said to us, they're like, well, how the heck do you get any funding that?

And so, you know, it's hard when you're a think tank, you know, trying to pay the bills. If you don't. I'll disclose for you guys. And this is before your time there, but it was founded with some George Soros money, which is tainted with Satan and evil. And I know he's not a big Zionist, but he, is a big State Department, you know,

flunky and intervener in foreign affairs where he does not belong. So like the fact that he gave, you know, Andrew Bacevic and Eli Clifton and Trita Parsi some money to help file this thing with the Cokes back when they did.

That's good. I don't, as far as I know, y'all haven't gotten any more money from him since then. I don't do the fundraising, but I investigate other people's funding. But it's money is almost as ugly.

as national government money there. Right. I mean, Soros money. I say the Cokes are not as bad as Soros, that's for sure. But it was funny when we first started, you know, you're exactly right. We did start with, you know, some of the original C money was from Rosas and Coke Network. And, you know, everybody, everybody made such hay about it. The thing about it was, you know, we joked kind of internally that like if you had a boogeyman

in the funding space, chases are they were funding guys between the two of them. But, you know, Quincy Institute's one of the rare places. Where were those two folks who might not otherwise agree on the color of the sky, they can agree on the fact that they want a less military intervention issue, US foreign policy. They want a more restrained foreign policy. And so that's the sweet spot that Quincy tribes to fill. Yeah.

Well, and it's a fact that Charles Koch does believe in that and always has and has financed, you know, libertarian organizations for many years. Usually the sort of milk toast ones, we call them the Coke to Puss, because they're sort of like never quite as hardcore as some of us or whatever. But at the same time, well, you look at the Cato Institute right now, other than Tom Palmer, who shouldn't be a part of it anymore. But their foreign policy department is absolutely killing it right now. I mean, Doug Bondo has always been great.

But, you know, Justin Logan. Justin Logan, yeah. John Hoffman and Brandon Buck. I mean, these guys are, I mean, Justin Logan's been there for a long time. But he and Hoffman and Buck, they have just been killing it. they have been completely unafraid to call out the Israel lobby and their role, especially in this recent war and all that. I'm really proud of them and grateful to see how great the Cato guys have been right here.

So, yeah, sir. They support Republicans too. And they're, you know, they're not like hardcore libertarians like they were back in the 70s or whatever. But they're overall, probably the least worst of American oligarchs, you know, on certainly on like Middle East issues and stuff like that. They have no interest in invading the Middle East. Their oil companies' interests are closer to home, I think. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

And I'll tell you, I've known Justin a long time, but he's always been great. But John, you're exactly right. Like John Hoffman coming in, they're getting a young talent too over there. So I completely agree with you. It's a great spot right now. Yeah, yeah, it's been, I can't remember a time where I ever felt this positively about Cato. And, you know, they even fired Ted Carpenter, who was their very best guy. but he writes for me now

and so who cares, whatever. And, and, and, you know, Logan and them have all gotten seemingly better since then. So like, whatever. They're filling up that space. Fine. Anyway, but yeah, so, yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't blame y'all for taking Coke money whatsoever.

The Soros thing was like, geez, I know y'all need money a lot, but like, eh, but then again, you know, Eli-Clifton and Trita Parsi come from more of the left. and, you know, they had to get some money from somewhere, whatever. And I think that was a long time ago. I don't think he's still giving money anyway. I kind of hope not.

But anyway, whatever. But point being that, well, and yeah, look at that. Like in the universe of American oligarchs, the Quincy Institute is funded by much more marginal type in the form of the Cokes. I mean, the Cokes do have a lot of, you know, influence in the Republican Party. But in terms of... you know, where they throw their money around in the so-called, you know, NGO circuit or whatever, you don't see Koch brothers foundations on the, on the donor lists here at your website of all the,

you know, the big corporate donors to these evil think tanks. They donate to Kato and defense priorities and stuff, right? They're not on here. So they're really, you know, that goes to show like where they are in that orbit of billionaires, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like the antidote to the military industrial complex funding of things takes. Yeah. And, well, anyway, I hope, I hope they all keep that up.

Anyway, so, well, listen, as you said there, this thing got all shot up and shot down in committee. And so it looks like it's going to the president. We're already through the House and the Senate, or I'm sorry? No, no, we got a few more battles. So I'm, you know, we, we got our butt kicked in round one in the House, the D&A, within the committee. But we got a couple more shots there. It's going to go, the NDA has got to go through the house first, you know, to go to the house floor. We'll get a chance.

We've already had both Nassie and Kana have come out, said they're going to introduce amendments to strip this out when it goes to the full house. on the Senate side, we did find out just yesterday that the Senate version of the same, the NDAA, it does have not an identical provision, but very, very similar provision in there.

But we've heard from folks on the Senate side that they're going to try to strip this out too. You know, Bernie Sanders, for example, just now he's going to try to get rid of this. He had an ex post about it too. So, you know, wherever it's going, we've got some hope. There's going to be a few more fights

here. And so, you know, we're telling people, let your member of Congress know. Because whenever, you know, if we talked to the public about this, again, the public's like, wait, what the hell are we doing here? You know, why would we let any foreign government, you know, that have this type of a relationship and, you know, have basically a paid lobbyist within the Pentagon. And so when we talk to the folks, they're pissed off about it. So we're telling everybody, contact your member of Congress, you know, let them know you're not cool with this and ask them to support these measures to strip this thing out. And now's a good time for it because the iron is hot, which exactly for all the wrong reasons, right, is people are so upset about what Israel's been doing lately, including Gaza and Lebanon and dragging us into war with Iran.

And so, you know, and all that is so overt and open now. But that's why, as you said, that's why Israel's pushing so hard to get this baked in now before it's too late, where Congress could change their mind eventually about that aid, depending on how hot American public opinion stays about it. And so that's why they're doing this, but that's why, like, this is our last chance to really fight about it. And it's such a, well, I hope not, but it's such an objectionable thing that, yeah, I really hope that you can rally support.

Is there a specific group or website or a specific date where everybody needs to do their phone banking or organized campaign here that people can get involved in? Today, if you're listening to this, do it right now. Because, you know, everything I just described about happening in the house in the Senate, that's happening right now. Again, we just found out just yesterday that this is in the Senate bill too. So contact your members.

Sure you straight away. You might talk to an intern, but like, annoy the hell out of that intern with that phone call. You know, send all those emails that we're hearing from congressional offices that they're getting a lot of calls on this. And that matters when they hear from their own constituents. So please, like, get involved. Get in their ear on this. And at the very least, I mean, I don't think it's useless that even if through the iron grip of all the money and every other thing, you know, active in politics, all the levers that they have, if they get this through anyway.

But it's clear and undeniable that they did it over loud public objection and consensus against it. Then that's still its own important thing to achieve by making sure that we're heard on that. Like, no one should believe that it's easy. and just don't call your congressman, young man, who'll listen to you or whatever. But if everybody does, hell, they still might not do what we say, but at least they won't be able to deny the truth,

that they did this over all our apparently dead, damn body, you know? Right, right, right. And do, you know, call them and do other things too. We've seen people writing letters to the editor in like local town papers across the country about this, you know, telling their member, you know, in their whole paper to do. this. So do whatever you got. You know, I really do. We cover a lot of money in politics stuff,

man. But this is one of those things where I really feel that the time is ripe right now. Because if this goes through, like we were saying earlier, it's so hard, if not impossible, to unwind this. So we need people to act right now. We got to stop this before it starts. Yeah, absolutely. All right, everybody, it's the Quincy Institute, Responsible Statecraft. Congress quietly moves to integrate U.S. and Israeli militaries by the great Ben Freeman. And again, check out his great book, The Trillion Dollar, oops, I should be clicking over on this screen. Should I. That trillion dollar war machine, how runaway military spending drives America in foreign wars and bankrupts us at home.

The really great book on the self-licking ice cream cone there for sure. And I really appreciate your time again on the show, man. Yeah, you're the best, Scott. Thank you for having me. This Scott Horton show is brought to you by the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom, Roberts & Roberts, Brokridge, Inc., Moondos, Artisan Coffee, Tom Woods, Liberty Classroom, and APS Radio News. Subscribe in all the usual places, and check out my books, fools errand, enough already, and my latest, Provote, how Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. Find all of the above at Scotthorton.org, and I'm serializing the audio book of Provote at Scott Horton. and patreon.com slash

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