Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 6/20/24 Daniel McAdams on the Latest Ukrainian Enemies List

Episode Date: June 23, 2024

Scott brings Danial McAdams back to talk about the US lifting its ban on arming the Azov Battalion and the recent Ukrainian enemies list that included various libertarian organizations and figures, including McAdams and Scott. They also discuss the State Department’s obsession with Georgia, changes to American conscription laws and more. Discussed on the show: “Roller Coaster: From Trumpists to Communists. The forces in the U.S. impeding aid to Ukraine and how they do it” (Texty) Daniel McAdams is the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity and the co-host of the Ron Paul Liberty Report. Follow him on Twitter @DanielLMcAdams and read all of his work over at Antiwar.com. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, author of the book, Fool's Aaron, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and The Brand New, Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2004. almost all on foreign policy and all available for you at scothorton.4 you can sign up the podcast feed there and the full interview archive is also available at youtube.com slash scott horton's show well look everybody on the line i got daniam mcadams again of course you know him as the co-host of the liberty report with ron paul and as the director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity and of course was foreign policy advisor to the congressman back when he was a congressman and um but especially do they do that great show every day the liberty report welcome back how you doing dan hey scott

thanks for having me back on your program uh very happy to have you here and um happy to share these interests in common with you like most people don't know don't care ain't interested but you and i seem to incidentally and coincidentally agree that it's an interesting story that the United States officially lifted their ban on arming the Azov Battalion at war in Ukraine. What's the Azov Battalion, Daniel McAdams? Well, as my great friend Scott Horton has called them many times very appropriately, a bunch of Hitler-loving Nazis. I mean, they try to deny it, but every time there's a photo of them, there'll be a tattoo.

slip or a patch on their uniform slip that will like harken back to the SS. So I think it only shows the desperation that they're running out of people to arm all these 60 year old dudes out there are not doing that well. And so they are just desperate, you know, to give arms to new people. Yeah. Now, I must have skipped a beat because I thought that it had already lifted this ban back a few years ago I of course remember when John Conyers got it passed in the first place maybe at some point they had begun

trying to implement it again and I had just missed that part yeah I think what happened I forget that exact part but I think it was the Leahy amendment as well forbade them from doing it because they had human rights abuses in their record

but what the State Department said is that we thoroughly vetted them now and they're just a okay so stop worrying about it so much and so that's that you know lifted i don't know how strong they are they have a new i don't have in front of me but they have a new they're no longer called the azal battalion they have a new more military sounding name like the 79th whatever this and that the other uh but essentially it's the same people with the same origins yeah well i know at least part of it is the third separate infantry yeah division they call it um i don't know if there are more i think there are

more in different names for them too. So I'm not sure how large they had grown. But, you know, it's funny because people will say, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's true that maybe some Nazis helped found the thing a long time ago. But no, that guy, Andrew Beletsky, still in charge of the deal as of, you know, early this year when they were losing Abdicka, or however you pronounce that town. Yeah. They had fought in Bakhmut and at Abdivka, and he was there in charge and in charge of their retreat.

And he was the guy with, and you should read the whole quote, man. I got the whole quote in the book. You got to get it off the way back machine. But, you know, they always say the famous quote about him saying, we've got to lead the white race in the Great Crusade against the Semite-led Intermension. That whole thing is, it's incredible. It's like as a specimen of a ridiculous. Nazi rant about the way things ought to be or something? Like, you could frame it. It's amazingly

like on the nose crazy. What's incredible about it is, I mean, you've got the student protests that have gone on. Now it's summer, so I don't know what they're doing against what's happening in Gaza. And, you know, maybe a slip of the tongue or something else. And you had every member rushing down to the floor talking about how these were neo-Nazis, they were a bunch of crazy antisemites, you know, and this and that. And they're probably worse of bad apples in there. But nevertheless, The speed with which the U.S. Congress moved against these people was remarkable. And on the other hand, as you say, you've got these Azov guys who have these long quotes about the white race.

And we've got to get rid of the semites. And nobody blinks an eye. I mean, I don't get, you know, you and I, I mean, the hypocrisy has been a running theme in the work that we do constantly. But still, I am sometimes amazed, you know, and I'm amazed in this situation. yeah seriously all right so now onto this enemy's list here um you know we were all on the proper not list back during the russia gate scam with that loser from the washington post and the whole thing it was later revealed was run by that scumbag michael weiss from the atlantic council um it was uh yves angler at the naked capitalist found his metadata data and someone else i forget the other

source, but there's a second source who went through the metadata and proved that it was Michael Weiss who was behind the proper not thing. And anti-war.com was on there, and I'm pretty sure you guys were on there as well. Yeah, we were, yeah. But me and I think some of the guys were feeling kind of bad that we'd been excluded from a couple of the enemy's lists. Like, hey, we're doing really good work over here. But so we deserve the credit. And so here we've gotten some. We've been added as list, the Libertarian Institute, the anti-war.com, and, of course, the Ron Paul Institute as well, with a lot of good and some bad company, have been put on, it's not exactly an enemy's list, but sort of kind. I think maybe they're giving us credit for preventing the Congress from forking over all the tax money here. But so, why don't you tell us about your impression of this thing?

And first of all, what is the name of it again? It's the data journalism agency, Texti, is a short form of the organization. And it's a Ukrainian NGO, another one of those NGOs, of course, that all have their, you know, the snouts deep into the U.S. government for funding. But they released this report roller coaster from Trumpists to communists, the forces in the U.S. impeding aid to Ukraine and how they do it, is the report. and it's fascinating I agree with you I like being on these lists and thankfully we haven't been put on the kill list

yet although I did give a speech once where I said I feel like a slacker that I haven't you know you can go ahead and leave me and the guys off the kill list thank you jeez yeah yeah it's I mean again can you imagine if you know if Russia had such a list of you know kill list and this and that

but you know that it made it made you know I've had a lot of mixed thoughts about this, Scott, to be honest with you. And my first reaction was gut them. Because I was digging and digging and digging and doing all kinds of stuff that I used to do when I was younger and had more energy. And I found several ties to the U.S. government, USAID, and the State Department. And my first thought, gut them. You know, this is it. This is going to embarrass them. This is going to really, you know, because you can't get too loud about this stuff, you know. But then I've had some mixed thoughts afterward because the thing is so over the top you know the list is so over

the top it's so it's so beyond the left and right it's not i mean it's it's got a lot of friends of ours like max blumenthal uh and others on the left um but something about it seems strange to me because if you if you notice what happened afterward um several members and you know to their credit that's fine they came down and said we need to find out what is going on with this list there are you you know, Donald Trump is on the list, Matt Gates is on the list, you know, Rand Paul's on this, you know, what is going on? You know, and maybe it's a conspiratorial side of me, but it seems to me almost like a limited hangout, like, yeah, we're going to get this bad apple, but that's going to save the

village to mix my metaphors, you know, you know what I mean? I mean, maybe that's crazy, but like if you can find a really bad actor, then you can say, see, we have cleaned out the stables, now it's clear to give them more money. Yeah, I could be wrong. It's just a feeling I have. It could be. You know, it did seem a bit lazy for whoever put it together. I mean, clearly they got a big part of their information was just who showed up at our great anti-war rally in Washington, which is good.

I was really proud to see the Libertarian Party up there, you know, as the center of a thing. But, and believe me, I don't take offense. But it goes to show. kind of what they don't quite understand, where they have me and the Institute right there directly adjacent to Dr. Paul. Thank you very much. I do that thing here where I breathe on my fingernails and shine them on my shirt. But they got me all the way across the street from antiwar.com, but I'm the editorial director

of antiwar.com, dude, and I've kind of been associated with them for 20 years. So you might think that they would have had that kind of in there, but no. they had me on the other side of Ron Paul from anti-war.com, I think in fact. Wow, the conspiracy is deeper than we think. Yeah. But you know, that's a good point about the rally that we had.

And you're right, kudos to LP. It's one of the best things they've done is holding this rage against the war machine rally. But, you know, I hadn't thought about it until you just mentioned it. Yes, that is one sort of vein that went through the report. But I guess that shows you how freaked out they were by that, which is a good sign.

You know, I mean, here we are like working every day writing articles and giving interviews and doing talks but this thing seemed to have really freaked them out and even though let's be honest it wasn't a massive turnout uh but that just goes to show the power of these kinds of uh demonstrations i think yep well and also of course that one was the libertarians and the left yeah and as you can see from the graphical representation there and this is i think could and should be a deliberate strategy of the libertary movement and the libertarian party that because we are so cool and so good on everything that that gives us plenty of overlap to get along with the left and the right even

if they could never get along with each other that we can still get along and pal around with a bunch of david swansans all day long and do an anti-war thing and then turn right around and pal around with a bunch of pro-Trump america first types um because you know we all have that soft spot for the paleos anyway that whole america first thing anyway is they're all like our cousins in a sense so uh we we do have the ability and we could and should exploit that more and more and you can see that that was what they're afraid of they're like well look at all these libertarians and left this all hanging out together and then you have these whole all these right wing groups are right there adjacent to all the trump people and we're sharing a lot of the same meersheimer quotes or

whatever it is that we have in common here that is got them so upset and that's essentially what it is non-intervention here we want to cut off ukraine we don't want to risk war with russia over the donbass are you crazy i bet there are some states in the union we're not a single person is willing to say they support that you know yeah or can't even find it i mean even people in washington where is the donbass you know here here's your here's your test for the day before you vote a senator whatever your name is you know but i mean if the risk of sounding a little bit arrogant and i hope you know we don't but in addition as you make a very good point for us sort of being a um a bridge between the so-called left and right we can also hopefully teach each of them

a little bit of something that they don't quite get on board you know i mean on the populist right you'd have yeah we don't want to um we don't want to fund ukraine anymore because we got to take out the chikoms you know and if we can just try to show them that there's a more consistent position that you can have that really is pro-america and the same is true with the left and i've i've worked with the left a lot and i you know i enjoy working with them but there are some of them that want to bring everything but the kitchen sink in and that doesn't belong in an anti-war protest you know okay climate whatever got it take it to another protest we don't want to deal with that you know in this one so hopefully you know us being in the middle we can kind of chill the other

two guys out a little bit yeah well in fact i think at our uh rage against the war machine protest there there wasn't too much of that. Somebody might have mentioned a little bit of global warming in there, but it was not like, oh, now the communists turn this into a free Mumia rally or whatever. Like, everybody was pretty much on topic, you know. They were definitely on topic. Yeah, it was great. And it was amazing hanging out around in the green room and just seeing people that are like,

whoa, I mean, I'm sitting here, you know, I've got, you know, Ron Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Dennis Kucinish, you know, everyone's having the conversation. And I'm just sitting here, I'll fly on the wall. It was pretty remarkable. Yeah, it was really cool. I changed my pants in front of Tulsi Gabbard. Whoa. True confession.

I don't think she was paying attention. Anyway. No, that was the best of times for sure. And then, yeah, and I'm sure I actually didn't look that closely, but on their charts and their graphical representations, they make sure to include some unsavory, you know, American, I don't know, probably actual communists and actual fascists so they can try to smear us with them.

But I don't think that's going to stick very well. This is too mainstream of an opinion. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't think it's enough. But I do wonder why they would include so many members and senators on it because that's just, I mean, even members and senators that disagree, you know, you're on some pretty sketchy ground if you start doing that. because the one thing that they value more than anything is their exalted position in the U.S. Congress.

So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I can imagine a member saying, hey, I don't agree with you on Ukraine, Matt Gates. But, man, we shouldn't have these foreign organizations putting you on lists. Right. Yeah, I saw that where he's even reacted, right, and said, well, I'm going to defund you then. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Yeah, they swung at the king and missed. And so now he's angry. And I guess we'll see what happens with that. i guess um you know you had your theory there i guess you know one explanation would be that they're just trying to escalate the thing there's like an act of desperation basically i guess maybe that's what you were saying they're trying to cause a fight in the congress about this and get their their enemies in the congress into a fight that they'll lose so that then they can move forward after that was that basically what you're saying well not exactly i mean i think if you can give the

impression that here is, I mean, of course, this is conspiracy stuff. But if you can give, and I've worked in a lot, I've worked in. It's just politics, man. Yeah. I mean, I've worked in NGOs overseas before and some that were funded by the governments. But if you can get all of the suspicion, like put in this textie group, and then you can defund it, I mean, I would, I would bet good money. I would bet good money that there are probably 100 Ukrainian NGOs that get funding from the US government to do similar things but less ostentatious uh you know less audacious i mean it's the word i'm looking for sorry and if you can wipe out this bad apple then hey we got rid of this and all the other 99 are still doing their their evil deeds right that makes sense hang on just one second for me here you guys i'm so

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just because America's so big and there's so many interest groups or something, but you take a little country like Georgia or Kyrgyzstan and then you find out that there's like a thousand foreign funded NGOs in these countries. Like this is a huge part of the economy. Maybe

you know, I can't remember who I'm supposed to cite here or what I was reading about how, you know, in Georgia, this is essentially the ticket to the upper middle class like this is what you do if you're a professional is you work for these NGOs that's where the money is otherwise it's a very poor country so you know and especially for women who you know want to have a professional career this is a place where there's an opening

for them um as opposed to i guess other you know traditional uh careers there and so it's huge the money comes from the u.s you know and even if you don't get a u.s salary i mean i i i worked for an NGO in Hungary. I'm not going to say it necessarily, but it was foreign-punded like this. And all of my colleagues there were the nomenclatura's offspring. So this is how the communist, this is the early 90s, okay, so it was still a thing. We're now a generation or so past that. But at the time, this is how, this was a golden parachute for the children of the nomenclatura. And they were all in pro-democracy NGOs, right? And their parents were leaders in the communist party you know the grandparents were probably involved in

Stalinist purges you know and so then when you switch gears and there's a new game in town well they're the heads of the pro-democracy NGOs and they're still doing well they still have like the first ones to have cell phones in the 90s you know nice cars etc etc so yeah it's also a way to to whitewash a lot of nasty things from the historical past right yeah that makes a lot of sense i uh quote you actually in the book talking about how in i guess it was macedonia i can't remember there's so many of these things there's one where you're going you know i don't even think that people in charge in america realize that they're supporting the communists right now against the people who had helped overthrow the communists in the fall of the soviet union just a couple of

years ago yeah the people who were in the gulags and in the prisons Yeah, they're the ones that suffered. Yeah, they're the ones that get over the down. The Georgia thing, we talked about, I think, before, but I mean, I think the freak out in Georgia and in Brussels over what was happening in Georgia, Brussels and D.C., I think that tells you everything you need to know about the importance of these NGOs in the broader democracy movement, i.e. do what we say, movement, you know, because they absolutely freaked out if these if these weren't so important to the project of, you know, of opening another. front against Russia through Georgia, then they would not have expended so much energy demonizing the Georgian government. Let's face it, Georgia is an important to deal geostrategic position. However, as a country itself, it's not that important to US foreign policy.

It's not a major trading partner. Right. And I mean, really, it's importance is overstated anyway. Because, I mean, what is the big deal is that we get to have our pipeline go west to Turkey without going through Russia and we get to block the Russians kind of the Russians can go around us really anyway and then

like worst case scenario a complete Moscow sock puppet is in charge in Tbilisi then and they shut down the BTC pipeline then so what really I mean ever since the 1990s they've been working so hard on setting this whole thing up

But ever since the 1990s, clearly isn't it the case, Dan, that they've decided they're not going to put bases there. They're not going to try to militarize. I mean, they've sent trainers and whatever, but they don't have big American bases in the caucuses because they've decided that it's not worth the provocation to Russia to do so. So in the end, aren't they admitting that they actually don't give a damn about George at all? And that if the Russians come, then like, okay, that's tough. Yeah, but I can see them having a mass. The pipelines, that's definitely one motivating factor. I don't think it's a sole one.

I think there's the idea that if Georgia ships back into, I mean, they've already peeled away Armenia, right? You know, the West has. If Georgia slips back into Russia's orbit, and that doesn't mean they become a satellite, that doesn't even mean they become as close as Belarus is. But it means if they slip in that direction, which it looks like they are, although it's overstated. You know, the Georgia party is far less pro-Russia than it's being stated in the U.S.

Nevertheless, if there's a sense that it's slipping out of our satellite, they can't handle that. I know this is a controversial opinion, and a lot of libertarians disagree with me strongly. But I do believe the U.S. support for Javier Melier and Argentina has a lot to do with making sure that Bricks doesn't take over Latin America. Now, that's the one Latin American outpost that will not join Bricks. And when the when people in the paper pushers in the state department and in the deeper into the bowels of the U.S. government look around, they're desperate to make sure that Bricks doesn't dominate in Latin America. They're desperate to make sure that there's that we don't lose a single outpost anti-Russia outpost in the caucuses in Europe. So they do think about these things. They do think about the chessboard, you know.

Right. Yeah, that's true. And as far as Argentina goes, I don't know the details of. the U.S. government's relationship with him specifically, but I do know that you have this Atlas network, which is different from the Atlas Society. I made that mistake before. This Atlas network is essentially USAID, right? It's Tom Palmer from Cato, working with the State Department, USAID and NED to essentially, I mean, hey, it's a great talking point, man, it happens to be right. less marks more meases you know the more socialist your government is and economy is the worse it is you should read some mesas and get it straight well so the state department got smart enough to steal our talking point and say that yeah you know what you need to do is get rid of the leftist who's geopolitically allied with these other nations that are our rivals and you ought to put in the all other things being equal the right winger who's going to be an ally of the United States and is going to do what the United States wants. And I trust you. I don't

know the details, but I believe you, if you're saying that that's all he represents really is Astroturf, pretend Rothbardian, right? I'm saying that he's not 1,000% phony. I don't know. He says some things that sound very good. But of course, they're going to have him say things that sound good. I think the most important thing, because I don't think the State Department gives a crap about meases. Like, yeah, whatever. Let him say whatever. It doesn't mean anything. The only thing that matters to us is we prevent bricks from taking over Latin America because that is the trajectory that's on, you know? And so, yeah, so it's Atlas, but I would say even darker forces than the State Department are involved in that project. Yeah. Well, and when they consider,

and it is just, I guess, the case, right, basically that in Latin America, whoever's their rivals down there are the left. And so Mises is the patron saint of real capitalism, but that's the perfect avatar for them. They don't have to, ever. be genuine about it you know what i mean the back the bigger the lie the more they like it apparently to use you know so um you know what are they going to do sell them on revolution with milton friedman you know what i mean yeah yeah not not very inspiring but we heard it over and over this or that foreign leader is going to be the next libertarian hero turns out to be a total flop you know and the total tool of the state department and like i don't think maloney was was was

presented as a libertarian hero but certainly as a counter to the prevailing, you know, prevailing neoliberal view in Europe. And she's turned out to be absolutely the opposite, you know, she's an absolute tool of the neoliberal. Oh, oh, Ukraine, okay, let's do funding. Oh, you know, this is not an issue that we deal with, but at least her stated script was about the problems with immigration and refugees. Well, she backed down on that as well. So over and over again, they're being sold as this you know i mean it's i mean i remember i don't want to bore you with old stories but i remember in albanian when the u.s was trying to manage the um the revolution there and sally

barisha was running in 96 for his second term and um the u.s put up a party against it was with a real deal i mean like the real free market guy back then it's a long time ago But the party they put up against him, the U.S. backed against him, wasn't, like, a leftish party. No, they got an more extreme nationalist party, you know, the Republican Party to go against Barisha's Democratic Party, right? That's how they did. And it was the International Republican Institute that backed them through NED. The same happened in Belarus. It was the extreme right that the U.S. backed against Lukashenko back in the 2000s.

So they always find this, they don't care about, they care about, you know, the percentage of peeling away people. And so I think, yeah, they'll take a libertarian, they'll take a right wing, or they'll take a nationalist. They don't care. Yeah. Well, and it's, yeah, it is not necessarily the case in Europe the way it is in Latin America that whoever's outside of our orbit are leftists, you know, that's how it's worked. But that's not necessarily the case in other places overseas.

They might take the leftist side against the right winger. or you know who whatever uh depending on who's less independent yeah yeah it's hard to know who's who anymore anyway especially when you look at european politics today yeah um all right so um oh i know i wanted to ask you about that yeah i want to ask you about this now uh tell us about what's going on with the changes in the conscription laws i know this is something that's always been something that dr. Paul follows very closely and when he was in Congress would vociferously oppose anything that they would try to do to make it easier to conscript people but that's going through now huh yeah I mean the

notorious NDAA it always has the worst stuff in it remember it had an indefinite detention of Americans back 15 years ago or so and so what they slipped in this time was a provision at whereby before Conscription, I mean, signing up for selective service was quote unquote required, but it wasn't mandatory. You didn't get thrown in the slammer if you didn't do it when you turn 18 as a young man when you turn 18. And so what had happened is that so many people were just not doing it, apparently, that what they did this time is they put a provision in the NDAA as an amendment. Not forgetting who put it up. It was a real notorious scumbag who put it up.

And it passed. Republicans and Democrats, they both voted for slavery. And so that makes it automatic. You are automatically registered for selective services, thus eligible for the draft when you turn 18. So there are a lot of bad things about that. The draft is awful. It's slavery as the presumptions the government owns your body.

But it also will grow government, too. And that will, you know, so as you know, the Leviathan will manifest in all. all other aspects of our lives as well. So it's an all-around bad news, but it also reflects, A, the desire of the neocons on the left and right to expand the war in Europe and elsewhere. And also the fact that more Americans, more young Americans than ever, I just actually just sent an article over to Dr. Paul for the show today, but we didn't end up taking it. But the deficit in males signing up to the military is like historic.

Nobody wants to join the military anymore. Yeah. And, you know, I saw a thing where, well, you know, for fairness, they're really going to have to include women. There was an amendment that has been offered that they're going to conscript girls too. And I mean, I don't know if the implication is, yeah, well, they'll make them do all the kind of support work and send more men to the front in the next one. Or if they're going to really be so equal opportunity about it and send people's 18 and 19 year old daughters to go. get blown up with landmines and artillery shells. But it kind of goes to probably more than anything, the sort of video game unreality of American foreign policy to the people in charge of it, that they're not really thinking about what it would really be like to see an 18 or 19-year-old girl blown up with an artillery shell

or to have to take responsibility for that. They're just kind of off in their head about, well, it's got to be fair. we've got to be progressive about it or some kind of like pseudo principle or something right but they're not being realistic it was actually a progressive democrat i think i want to say pennsylvania it's somewhere like that and she's the one to put it into the amendment saying well we should do women should be included as well say oh yeah and the girls that late in your girls say gee thanks lady you know great idea uh but anyway i have the i have the number in front of me

i just called it up as we were speaking and as military dot com reported that that male enlistment in the U.S. military has dropped by 35% over the past decade. Wow, that's great. Yeah, it is great, but now they're going to try to nab them and put them in on something. And, you know, and if you didn't want, if you hell no, I won't go, then, okay, well, we'll give you some other job. You can be a social worker, God knows what. But the idea is that you owe the state. Yeah, national service. You do whatever.

But the idea that the state owns you is what's the most evil part of this of the draft. Well, and especially even on the National Service thing, but in the military, too, that your first two or four years out of high school, you work for the government. Right? It's not your chance to start your life. Now you've got to work for the government and, at best, do nothing being, you know, doing the volunteer corps, make work, you know, whatever. I forgot what they called it. Beauvard wrote so much about this. The ridiculous...

What do they call it again? The red shirt volunteer corps guys? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. It's my mind, yeah. Yeah, domestic waste of time core. Yeah. Yeah, or, you know, you get blown up.

It's way worse. Yeah, and your first two years of paychecks comes from the government, right? So you automatically have this loyalty. Maybe it'll backfire. Well, you know, that's what I used to think in high school. It's like, man, they treat us all like, this, everyone's going to grow up to be as anti-government as me, but like, nope.

It kind of didn't really work that way. Yeah, yeah. You know, some of us blow back, others not so much, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's such a preposterous idea that somehow you're going to need all of these bodies in the next war. I mean, the wars that they are ramping up against Russia and against China, I mean, what are they going to be like the polls when they entered World War II at first,

and they were riding over the planes on horses, you know, because they thought it was still world war one i mean are you serious we're going to have like a bunch of men marching marching into russia it's absurd what these guys thinking yeah or even iran i mean if they go to war with iran it's going to be an air war and a horrible one but nobody thinks that they're going to do a d-day and put in the army and marines into persia you know yeah i mean we didn't do that well against the Houthis. Yeah, seriously. And we killed a few hundred thousand people adjacent to them.

But yeah, no, it didn't seem to do any difference. It didn't make any difference. Do any good is what I meant to say. Strike that. Switch it. Anyway, yeah, I'll tell you. So, all right, well, listen, I'll let you off the hook before we both start ranting about Israel, Palestine.

But I just want to thank you for all the great work that you're doing over there at the Institute, Dan, and for your great show. with Dr. Paul there as well. Thanks so much, Scott. Thanks for all the great work you do. You're an inspiration. That's very nice what you say. All right.

That is the great Dan McAdam. He's at ronpaulinstitute.org and Ronpaul Liberty Report.com. The Scott Horton show, Anti-War Radio, can be heard on KPFK, 90.7 FM in L.A. APSRadio.com. Anti-war.com.

Horton.org and libertarian institute.org.