Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 6/30/22 Hassan El-Tayyab on the Tripartisan Campaign to End the War in Yemen

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

Hassan El-Tayyab is back to provide an update on our effort to end U.S. support for the Saudi war in Yemen. There is currently a War Powers Resolution in the House of Representatives with a Senate version on the way. Scott points out that Biden is headed to Saudi Arabia soon to ask Crown Prince bin Salman for oil. We need to do everything we can to force U.S. military support off the negotiating table before he even lands in Riyadh. Call 833-STOPWAR right now to get connected with your representative's office, and tell them to support this resolution. If you’re not sure what to say, you can follow the script linked below.  Discussed on the show: “Why Bombs Made in America Have Been Killing Civilians in Yemen” (New York Times) 1-833-STOP-WAR Use this script if you are not sure what to say Hassan El-Tayyab is a musician and peace activist, who works as the lead lobbyist on Middle East policy for the Friends Committee on National Legislation. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Free Range Feeder; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt and Listen and Think Audio. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, author of the book, Fool's Aaron, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and The Brand New, Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2004. almost all on foreign policy and all available for you at scothorton.4. You can sign up the podcast feed there and the full interview archive is also available at YouTube.com slash Scott Horton's show. All right, you guys, on the line again, I've got Hassan al-Tayeb from the Friends Committee

on national legislation. That's fcnl.org. That's the Quaker lobby in the interest of peace up there in Washington, D.C. Welcome back to the show, Hassan. How are you doing? Good. All right. So, Yemen, Yemen, Yemen, Yemen. Even better.

War Powers Resolution. War Powers Resolution. War Powers Resolution. Tell me, what is the news on the War Powers Resolution H.J.87 in the House of Representatives right now, sir. Yeah, well, thank you so much for, you know, having me on again. Always appreciate it. So Reps Pramila Jayapal, DeFazio, Schiff, and Mace, they introduced H.J. Res. 87, the Yemen War Powers Resolution to terminate all U.S. military support for the Saudi-led war and blockade on Yemen.

I'm very excited about this. We've got a ton of momentum right now. Over 100 bipartisan co-sponsors and counting in the House. Senator Sanders is getting ready to introduce a command. companion on the Senate side, and hopefully we'll see that sometime in July. And I think this all comes at just such a critical moment as the Biden administration, Biden himself, is planning on going to the Middle East to talk to Saudi Arabia, other GCC Arab states. And, you know, they're getting ready, I think, to sign a new security agreement with these countries and further entangling the U.S. into, you know, potential more Middle East escalation. Yeah, I mean, that's such an important point here. So we have a real confluence of things going on here

where the Saudis seem to be seeking a way out of the war. They climbed down from their major goal of reinstalling the last dictator. They've entered into the ceasefire in these talks. At the same time, they've got the ruler of the world empire coming to bend his knees. to their will. Your Majesty, Your Highness, what can I do for you in order for you to ramp up oil production for me? That's Joe Biden's line. Everybody knows he's going to say it a month before he even has a chance. So then the question is, what has been Salman going to say to him? Well, I want my war still. I want another 20F15s. Or is he going to say, you know, I could really use your help wrapping up this war? Or is Biden going to say,

listen, I know I'm under, you're under a lot of pressure here and all this, but I got the entire Congress breathing down my neck that we've got to wrap up this war. Is that even going to have a part in the conversation? That's our role here is trying to make sure that he has no choice, but to say, listen, the legislature back where I'm from is really upset about this now, right? Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. And, you know, if U.S. pressure to end the war, you know, I think the Saudis, the Emirates, and their proxies could easily push to escalate fighting once the truce that just got extended to August 2nd, you know, they could escalate the fighting once that all ends. And, you know, obviously the Houthis would respond in kind, you know,

regardless of consequences for civilians. And, you know, so that could be a disaster. However, if we build up support for this Yemen War Powers resolution and hopefully pass it, and I think, think we have a real solid pathway in the House of Representatives, that would effectively ground the Saudi Air Force and significantly limit Saudi Arabia's ability to keep fighting. You know, and I know Muhammad bin Salman is eager to avoid the humiliation of being able to operate his own Air Force, and the prospects represent a key factor in his apparent decision, I think, to encourage his Yemeni partners to renew the ceasefire. So we have a lot of leverage here.

The truth so far has been successful. Give credit where credit is due. The Saudis halted airstrikes and allowed, you know, dozens of fuel ships in. We've got, I think, about 10 flights from Sana Airport into Jordan and Cairo so far. So that's good. The Houthis have seized trans-border attacks on Saudi and the Emirates. humanitarian groups that I've been speaking with, you know, like the World Food Program, say that there's been access to populations.

But, you know, this only continues, I think, if the U.S. maintains pressure. And if we make clear that, no, there's not going to be any military aid to resume hostilities, then we have a real shot here at ending this war and ending this humanitarian crisis. Yeah. Well, as you say, they're working on this new. sort of Israeli slash Arab NATO in the name of hemming in Iran right now. And of course, that's the excuse for this war, that somehow the Houthis represent an Iranian beachhead in Yemen.

What's the truth of that? Yeah, so I think, you know, this to me seems like a potential boon for weapons dealers. That's what it usually is about, folks wanting to. to sell these defense systems. And, you know, I'm not saying that, you know, Iran is, you know, completely behaving like Boy Scouts out there, you know, but I think it's really clear to me that, you know, selling weapons is a huge part of what this is about, normalizing relations with Israel. But if we truly want peace, this, they'll tell you that this new, you know, NATO for Gulf

states, you know, and this integrated air defense system. that they're talking about setting up. They say that it's about peace and stability, but it doesn't get at the root causes of what's actually making the Middle East unstable, which is, one, a lack of, you know, communication, a lack of a deal with Iran. So, you know, we urge that we get back into the Iran deal. You know, there's flaws with that approach, in my opinion, but I think it's the best thing we got right now.

We got to end this war in Yemen, try to end U.S. support for the Saudi coalition. try to, you know, get a nationwide ceasefire that's permanent, you know, and also deal with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And, you know, that's how we actually bring about peace. But further entangling the U.S. military to be this regional hegemon doesn't encourage, you know, you know, Saudi and Iran to share the Middle East, you know, it just increases impunity for Saudi Arabia's horrible behavior. Well, I'll tell you, I mean, that's just totally true. As we saw the last time. I'm sure you and I discussed this the last time. Congress passed the war powers resolution and yes, Trump did veto it. But the UAE then immediately pulled their main army. They left their militia on

the ground, including AQAP, but they pulled their main ground force out of the country and they sent an ambassador straight to Tehran. And I can't remember, I think it was just when Biden announced and it was a lie, but he announced that he was ending support for the war in very early February, 2021, when he first came into office, and then the Saudis immediately sent ambassadors or diplomats, whoever it was exactly, I'm not sure, to Baghdad, to meet with the Iranians. And so we could see how, you know, there's this mythology that America has to hold the whole world together. It's all going to tear itself apart, but it turns out that actually Saudi and Israel like to talk a lot tougher because they know that we have their back.

But if they had to handle business on their own, rather than launching a war, They're much more likely to launch a diplomatic effort to resolve conflicts, you know, which is just the same. Obviously, it's a moral hazard same in economics, right? If you tell a Wall Street bank, they'll get a Greenspan put, then they're going to make loans to people who can't pay them back, you know? That's just how it is. If you shield them from all accountability and all consequences for their actions, then they're going to misbehave. But you're right. Absolutely. When we saw, you know, negotiations for a cessation of hostilities over the port city of Hodeda, Yemen's largest port in 2018, U.S. actions were critical in influencing what happened. Congress had just passed a war powers resolution and they agreed to, you know, that's Hodata ceasefire the same day. And then the Congress basically forced an end to mid-air refueling of Saudi warplanes. So, you know, And then we saw us to say, you know, a real reduction in cross-border attacks by Saudi and the Houthis.

So we have this whole historical pattern of when Congress reasserts its Article I, War Authority, when Republicans and Democrats come together and do something, do something productive, it actually really helps. And so this new Yemen WPR, you know, it invokes Congress's constitutional war powers under the War Powers Act in 1973 to terminate. that's participation. And, you know, if passed, this resolution, it's designed to prohibit the U.S. military from providing things like intelligence sharing, logistical support, the maintenance, the spare parts. And all of these are critical. You know, the entire Saudi airfully is absolutely dependent on the daily transfer of these, you know, just the spare parts and maintenance alone could ground these planes. So we have a ton of leverage here. The Saudis don't want to risk that despite, you know, the posture that they're giving that, you know, we're not

going to, you know, despite the posture, they really are dependent. And I think if we exercise all the leverage that we have, you know, we could end this war. Yeah. Look, I totally agree with that, but I admit, too, it's a slippery slope argument. People come to me on Twitter and saying, look, so I call my congressman, then what? Well, if enough of us call, and it's going to take tens of thousands of calls. It's going to take a real movement. It's going to take some celebrities picking this thing up and retweeting it or something, I don't know, something big. We need to get it pass. We need to get it passed with huge margins, especially if we could get it passed with veto-proof margins. That'd be nice, although maybe that's just a fantasy. But we definitely

need to get it passed with huge margins. And then there's a real question right there, whether Biden would just do like Trump and veto the thing, or whether he would say, okay, well, I did say I was ending the war and now I have Congress kind of, I think politically it'd be tougher for him to veto it than it was for Trump. But maybe not that much tougher. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's going to take a lot of pressure. And then he's got to be able to say to the Saudis, look, man, I kind of don't have a choice here. We want to move forward on our new NATO and we want to move forward on, you know, you lower in my gas price and these kinds of things. We're going to have to wrap up this war, rather than, okay, okay, I'll let you keep the war going and I'll help you

keep it going as long as you do what I want on these other issues. And so that's, you know, look, unless the Senate is going to remove the president from power, he can do whatever he wants, right? He is the world emperor. If he wants to declare war on the Houthis and send the infantry tomorrow, they can't really stop him. You know, he reserves the right for a new. first strike on non-nuclear weapon states. So he can do whatever he wants. But the question is the politics of the situation, it's not the rule of law and the Constitution, it's the politics of the situation.

Is there this massive groundswell of pressure that insists that something be done about this now or not? That's really what it comes down to. And then we hope that the dominoes fall down in the right direction to really push this thing to a close. You know, I hate to say that, but it is what it is. not a limited republic i i think what you're saying you know i agree with a lot of what you're saying here and getting that groundswell of support changing the politics and the political dynamics

i would argue the fact that we even have a ceasefire the fact that biden even took the steps he has already granted not far enough but i think it was an improvement to end support for these the targeting assistance that did happen or at least allegedly happened under the biden administration. And, you know, those policy changes were, you know, as a result of all this congressional pressure and civil society pressure. So, you know, that needs to continue. I swear, every single day I check the co-sponsor list. And it just, yeah, every couple, every day we get a couple more and a couple more. And in less, I think less than three weeks, we have over a hundred co-sponsors on this bill. And this isn't just AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida-Talib, you know, much respect to them, but it's a

very diverse coalition, not just super progressives that are behind this effort. We have frontline Democrats. We've got, you know, Republicans like Rep. Mace. We've got Freedom Caucus folks and other libertarian folks as well, like Andy Biggs, Rep. Gates. Marjorie Taylor, just got on the bill as well, GOSAR. You know, when you've got AOC and GOSAR on the same bill, you know, you're on to something, I think. And I think it's just super important that we have a bipartisan resolution here.

And that's what's needed to continue to build that support and show that there's not going to be a military solution that involves a U.S. military in this war in Yemen. You know, if this truce breaks down, the U.S. is not prepared to keep this going. And I think it's also going to send a message to the White House that it's got to keep its promise to end blind support for a regime that's intent on cracking down on dissidents at home, you know, cracking down on, you know, people that are, you know, doing activism to, you know, promote women's rights in the country, destroying Yemen, you know, creating this world's worst humanitarian crisis. You know, I'm clear-eyed. You know, the United States can't unilaterally bring about, you know, a complete end to the war. You know, like there are still issues to resolve. We have to, you know, the humanitarian crisis will still be there.

But it's got to use its leverage to persuade Saudi and its proxies to stay at the negotiating table and actually bang out a deal that finally ends this war. And Congress is really, in my opinion, the best hope we have to do that. as far as all the legislative vehicles out there or anything that can be done, this is probably the best lever we have right now to make sure that, you know, we don't give away the farm in any deal with Saudi. Sorry, hang on just one second.

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Yeah, well, that's really great that you mention more and more of these Republicans signing on. I didn't know that Green had signed on. I saw that Matt Gates had. Of course, Thomas Massey's good on it. And that's just so important for the narrative. This isn't a bunch of hippie crap. You know, this is, which look, you know, a lot of people, anti-war is just some hippie girl in a sundress wear, which I like hippie girls in sundress. But I'm just saying, you don't have to always listen to their opinions about international relations. What do they know? And people think that. But the thing is, we have lots of really nice.

hippie girls and sundresses and we also have in a better place if more people did listen to those yeah seriously he's on dresses but it's true but then the thing is we have them but then we also have right wingers about right wingers nationalists america firsters people who to them conservatives are the liberal republicans you know like the conservatives used to be the right compared to the liberal republicans um these people are against it too donald trump said america first America first means, well, and yeah, he continued the war for four years straight, strictly for the money. But he said America first, and that means it's okay to not believe in this crap and to not want to continue it. And that's the most important part is that it's a good, solid, money-saving, blowback preventing conservative position to be against all this adventurism and foreign policy.

And after all, I mean, when you read Obama's excuse for starting this war, it wasn't that the, Houthis had done anything to us. His central command was passing them intelligence to kill Al-Qaeda guys with at the time that he switched sides in this war, and he did it to placate the Saudis. His administration told the New York Times, well, we had to placate the Saudis because they were upset. He started a seven-year war of genocide and treason to make your client state feel better. And a liberal Democrat did that. That means it's the conservative Republican thing. or even the further right Republican thing to oppose it should be easy enough, you know? Yeah, well, you know, and I think that bipartisanship, I mean, you know, obviously we're in a very

fragile moment in our democracy where it seems like there's not a lot we agree on these days, but, you know, this is really something that we can all agree on, you know, that we should not be supporting the Saudi war in Yemen. We know it's worked in the past to kind of de-escalate the situation. You know, one thing I did want to mention, though, it's really unclear to me. And I think others, others that I've read, you know, that are really following this closely, that even banging out a deal with Saudi Arabia, I mean, you know, it's not probably going to affect oil prices all that much in the short and medium term. And, you know, so I think the verdict's really still out if, you know, Saudi Arabia could even, you know, significantly, you know, ease the prices at the pump here.

That's such an important point. I mean, look, it's not like there's a restriction in supplier. I mean, there is in a few places from some regulations and so forth. But for the most part, the problem is monetary inflation. They devalued the money. And then they blame everybody for raising their prices, except for the people who devalued the money in the first place and forced them all to. And that goes for the local, you know, hot dog stand and for Exxon 2. Yeah. So I just think that's an important point. Some people like, well, you know, maybe if it'll, you know, we can get them to lower prices. Maybe, you know, Yemen's just the sacrificial lamb in a deal like that. But I think we got to, we got to think bigger than that.

I think we have to be clear-eyed on, you know, like the fact that there is not, you know, 100% guarantee that this is going to affect U.S. prices of fossil fuels all that much. To me, I think this is kind of a warning that, you know, it might be nice to get off of, you know, fossil fuels to begin with and transition to more renewable energy and the medium and long term, because it just shows you how vulnerable we are when we're relying on these authoritarian petro states to actually, you know, help us, you know, fuel our economy. Yeah. um and you know there's the pressure of the arms industry we saw this especially during

trump and i know it's the new york times but they talked to pete navarro in the article you know it was you could say it was somewhat unreliable because it was the times it's worth to read and i think it's pretty clear that rathion and petero set up this relationship um in order to uh essentially what happened was the trump tariffs on China had angered industry because it disrupted so many supply chains and so forth. And so Pete Navarro said, well, I know how we'll keep manufacturing, the manufacturing sector happy. We'll funnel billions directly into Raytheon, as though that's the manufacturing sector.

But anyway, that was what they could do, was give these direct transfer welfare payments to the arms industry. And then, well, they needed a place to shoot all those missiles at people. So it was, and when it came to him vetoing the bill, according to New York Times, it was pressure from Raytheon on Pete Navarro who told Trump, you can't go along with this war powers resolution. You have to veto it and keep the war going. And it was directly at the behest of the lobbyists for the cruise missile manufacturers. So, I mean, you can't even make up stuff like that. I guess the New York Times could, but they weren't. You know, that's the reality. That's the shape. of politics in America, the arms industry is simply captured our national government. You might not even call it a national government at all. It might just be the actual implementation arm of Lockheed and Raytheon Incorporated, you know, with access to all of our pocketbooks. So I think this is just super important. One piece of hope I'll give is that, you know,

when we do this stuff in public, I've noticed over the past, you know, several years have been working specifically on this conflict in Yemen, is that when we do stuff in public, we tend to win because no one wants to have to go on Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, or wherever to explain why they supported the Saudi-led coalitions bombing of school buses in hospitals and weddings in Yemen. So they don't want to do that. And that's why I think the war powers resolution is so great and so important, because it can get votes on the floor. And when you get those votes on the floor, people have to vote yes or vote no or vote present. Those are their options, you know, or, you know, or not show up at all, which some do.

But then they have to actually explain their vote and primary challenges happen if they vote the wrong way. So that's what I would urge people do is continuing to force the questions, not just here. but everywhere, you know, if we've got troops in Syria, we've got to ask, why are we still in Syria? Or why do we have, you know, military engagements all over the world fighting this war on terror when it just seems to, you know, make the war on terror worse? So we have to start asking these hard questions and putting votes on the floor for people to, you know, say yes or no to. And this Yemen situation, to me, is a model of how we need to, you know, how we need to go moving forward, you know, for, you know, population and folks in the country that actually,

you know, want to see a more humane and accountable foreign policy. Okay, I got one more rant. Then I'm going to turn it over to you for one more question. And this one is just for people, if you live in a Republican district, oh, you might know this. Here's my preface for this. As promised, the Libertarian Party is at your service, you and the Yemen peace activists. and I'm glad I stuck my neck out on that. It turns out we won unanimously in Reno every single position on the LNC and all the judicial committees and all of those things.

And our first major project as the new Libertarian Party is this issue. And we've got an email campaign and a Twitter campaign going on trying to get all of our members to corral everybody to call their congressmen. And if you ain't on Twitter and you ain't heard, let this be your call to action right here. It's 833 stop war. And we're trying to see if we can generate, and what are we going to do with the Libertarian Party?

Who knows what we even can do with it? Sky's the limit. Let's try it out. And so we want to see if we can generate tens of thousands of calls. Of course, the broader libertarian movement is much larger than the party. And so everybody's welcome to do this. And what you should do is,

look, and I know this, you've told me this before, and other activists have told me for years and years on the show. for you people who are willing to go to D.C. and do the work and go to Capitol Hill and deal with these people, the calls make a difference, especially when they're coming in large volume. They really do make a difference. So what we're doing is everybody call 833 stop war. You put in your zip code. They'll connect you right to your congressman. It's not perfect, but it usually works. Connect you right to your congressman. And then if you live in a Democratic district, tell them, Biden wants to end the war. He said so. And so this is how, to support the president is by passing this thing to strengthen his position so we can end the war. And then you're just asking them to do the right thing and support their president, right? And then if you live in a Republican district, tell them you're a Republican, tell them America first, tell them we're tired of policing the world, wasting all this money. And did you know we really are on the side of Al-Qaeda, not against him, and this one at this time, it's crazy. and Obama started it and Brandon sucks at implementing it

and it's just we should end this thing now right and talk to them like what they want to hear about how voting for this resolution HJ 87 the War Powers resolution is consistent with who they are and what they believe you're not asking them to change from one thing to another you're asking them to do the America first thing or do the good peace love and liberal thing

and vote for this resolution. And so, and it works. On the margin, it works, but that's the whole point, is we're trying to move the margin here, okay? And so, now, Hassan, my last question for you is, could you please talk about the different groups and the different activists who are working so hard on this in a way that, you know,

so that people who are interested might join some groups and really do more than make a phone call, but might really participate in this, might figure out how to donate to some of these groups, might figure out how to, you know, recommend these groups to their Aunt Cindy or whatever it is to get involved in this thing, man. Well, first off, one great group that's doing a ton of work on this is the Libertarian Party. You all have been doing incredible things.

I've just been seeing your social media tweets. You know, you're getting hundreds and hundreds of people retweeting and sharing. I mean, you're probably like the main hub of like where all the social media activities coming from. So huge kudos to you. We have over 100 national organizations. We've got, you know, folks on the right like concerned vets for America, defense priorities. You know, Freedom Works is on board as well. So, you know, if you want to plug into their anti-war work or their Article 1 work trying to restore.

congressional war authority. I suggest you get there. If you want to, you know, support humanitarian assistance, Yemen Relief and Reconstruction Foundation, Dr. Isha Juman is a good friend of mine, but YemenFoundation.org, you can make a contribution. They empower local Yemenis in Yemen, go figure, to actually do humanitarian work. And they get to parts of the country that not a lot of other people do. As far as the grassroots advocacy side, you know, FCNL, that's my organization, go to FCNL.org, and you can sign up to become part of our advocacy teams. And we literally are just focusing on ending this crisis in Yemen, supporting the war powers resolution all year long. That's what we're doing every single day of 2022. That's our main focus. Demand progress is great. Just foreign policy

is great. And again, you know, there's just such a great coalition right now working on all this. And it's exciting to be a part of it. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Well, that's great. And listen, I mean, we found this out too with the Mises Caucus and kind of building the movement to take over the party that's a lot of friendships in there. A little bit of romance. A little bit of dope smoked. And a lot of good new friends working together. A beer's drunk. I should have mention that, probably more beers than the other thing. Just not my thing. So yeah, it is a lot of fun, a lot of community building and, you know, get out from in front of your Facebook and get out there in the world and deal with people and do something important, something that you can remember

and be proud of. And look, I really think, hey, we might swing and miss, but I think there's a real chance that if we do all this work together, and we all at the same time are doing this just for a few weeks, right? Everybody's not going to turn into Hassan and Scott, the Yemen-obsessed activists on this. But how about just for two or three weeks? Can we get you to be a Yemen guy for two or three weeks? And we'll go right back to guns or inflation, whatever it is. But like, for two or three weeks, let's put this first. Let's see if we can flood them with tens of thousands of calls and get your mom and your boyfriend and your girlfriend and your co-workers. and, you know, your next-door neighbors, and do the multiplier effect.

See if you can get five or ten or twenty people. Make it a contest. Get people to call. And then, if we can get the deluge, we get the resolution pass. We put the pressure on the president, and he puts the pressure on the monarchies, and the war comes to an end. And it sounds like a slippery slope argument, but you know what? It's what we have to do.

It's the advantage that we have to press, and we can do it. I mean, and you're leading the way, you and Aisha Juman and all these other great activist who's, you know, who I'm trying to follow here and keep up with on all of y'all's great work. So, man, it's been seven years. We can't have this conversation again in another year. We have got to do that. I mean, it was a year ago we had this conversation. Remember, this is it. We have to win this time. So come on, everybody. It's 833 stop war. 833 stop war. It'll connect you right to the people. If you need a couple talking points, go to 1-833 stopwar.com.

You've got to put the one in it. 1833 stop war.com. They have a couple talking points there, especially left-leaning ones. But be creative. Talk to your congressman, talk to the staff. I know when I was on the phone with you guys the other day, I can't remember who it was that said.

They just were talking to congressional staff members, and they were saying, please keep the calls coming. We need the calls. And these were staffers who were already won over, but they need a cudgel to beat the boss over the head with boss the phone won't stop ringing we've got to vote on this the right way that kind of thing they need that message to be able to push our message so when they're asking explicitly would you guys make our phones ring then i think the answer has to be yes we'll do everything we can to help right you got it man well thank you so much for always you know lifting this issue up and you know you know know giving it the attention it deserves cool well thank you man i sure appreciate you coming on the show again hassan of course all right the scott horton show anti-war radio can be heard on kpfk 90.7 fm in l a psradyo dot com antiwar dot com scott horton dot org and libertarian institute

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