Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 7/25/24 Connor Freeman on Netanyahu’s Address

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

Connor Freeman was on Antiwar Radio this week to talk about Netanyahu’s address to Congress on Wednesday. He and Scott discuss the speech, the reaction of Congress, the protests that broke out outside, Netanyahu’s ridiculous framing and the actual reality of what Israel is doing in Gaza. Discussed on the show: “The Israeli army’s approval of free-for-all violence in Gaza” (+972 Magazine) “We Volunteered at a Gaza Hospital. What We Saw Was Unspeakable.” (Politico) Connor Freeman is the Assistant Editor of the Libertarian Institute, primarily covering foreign policy. He is a co-host on Conflicts of Interest. His writing has been featured in media outlets such as Antiwar.com and Counterpunch, as well as the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. You can follow him on Twitter @FreemansMind96 This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For Pacifica Radio, July 25th, April Glaspi Day, 2004. I'm Scott Horton. This is Anti-War Radio. All right, y'all, welcome the show. It is Anti-War Radio. I'm your host, Scott Horton. I'm the editorial director of Antiquet. anti-war.com, and author of the book, Enough Already.

Time to end the war on terrorism. You can find my full interview archive, more than 6,000 of them now going back to 2003 at Scott Horton.org and at YouTube.com slash Scott Horton's show and really all your podcatchers and video sites and so forth slash Scott Horton Show. And, of course, I'm here every Thursday from 2.30 to 3 on KPFK, 90.7 FM in L.A. And our guest today is Connor Freeman. He's assistant editor at the Institute and Anti-War.com. Welcome back to the show. Connor, how you doing?

I'm doing great, Scott. Thanks for having me back on. Very happy to have you here. We got a lot to talk about the leader of the Democratic and Republican Party, Benjamin Netanyahu, came to town to give the Congress their marching orders yesterday. What'd that sound like? Well, he got 58 standing ovations in a roughly 16. minute speech, which set a record. I mean, this is the most exercise many of these people have

gotten, I think, maybe in their lifetime. You know what that reminds me of when you're like, you read about how many bullets per second gun can shoot? And you're like, wow, really? Congress can clap for a foreign leader that many times in that short amount of time. That's really incredible. Oh, yeah, it's unbelievable. He says that their war is our war. And then he's right about that. As you said, he represents the Democrats and the Republicans. The U.S. owns every bullet and every bomb that's shot or dropped into Gaza. We have underwritten this entire genocidal campaign. And he says that, you know, Iran is responsible for all the problems in the Middle East.

They are the barbarians. We represent civilization. Anybody that opposes our war as an anti-Semite traitor standing on the side of evil. And he says that for all we know, for all we know, all the protesters opposing me outside this building could be funded by Iran. And, you know, this comes on the heels of even people like Nancy Pelosi who, you know, abstain from attending this diatribe and did condemn Netanyahu's speech. She's already said earlier in the war, you know, the FBI should be looking into these people

protesting the war. They could be backed by foreign governments, like Russia, of course. So Netanyahu just gave a speech condemning any U.S. opposition to this, to American involvement in this war, calling for escalations against, you know, Iran and its allies throughout the region, saying, you know, we don't plan to settle Gaza, but we're going to take overriding security control indefinitely of the Strip. And they are many of the members of his coalition are calling for establishing settlements. they've already stolen 26% of the territory since the war began. And, you know, there was no talk about the civilian casualties in Gaza, and our government is just, you know, completely covered in blood and celebrating a man who's wanted for war crimes and is so concerned about being arrested in Europe that they decided to take a direct flight to the U.S. instead of stopping off in a friendly European country.

Because even Germany, who supplied the next most amount of weaponry to Israel, over these many years, they've actually said, Berlin has said that if the warrants are issued by the International Criminal Court here and Netanyahu is in Germany, we will arrest him. And so, you know, times they're changing, but certainly not, it's not reflected by our ruling class and by this corrupt Congress who just once again have completely disgraced themselves. I will say this, I believe about 136 Democrats skip the speech. and that is encouraging. Also, Thomas Massey, so at least one Republican, did not go either. And Massey, of course, taken the fight to APEC, came out and said, this is political theater for the State Department. They're trying to bolster Netanyahu's support inside Israel because he's in trouble and they want to quell international opposition to the war. And he goes, and I don't feel like being used as a prop, so I'm not going to attend. And then APEC, of course, attacked him and said he's on the side of, you know, AOC and the other anti- anti-Semites and he was just like whatever i'm not going to your war rally you got to love that guy he's

he's growing into the position there ron paul's position in the congress all right so it's anti-war radio i'm scott huck it with connor freeman from anti-war dot com and you know the jewish daily forward the very important newspaper is extremely dubious about netanyahu and his claims in here you know what i mean so speaking of all who oppose him are anti-semis and i got to give the credit, Connor. I'm sorry, but I love the line. For all we know, these protesters are backed by Iran. Well, why not just lie and say, well, Mossad tells me that we have secret information that says that they're backed by Iran? Just lie, you damn liar. Why admit that you're the one making it up right now? Are you kidding me? The whole world knows that they lied about members of the

UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRA being involved in the October 7th attack. And we know from credible reporting that they tortured UNRWA staff to extract those just such false confessions. So yeah, why not lie? They lie about absolutely everything else. And I should say he also said on top of the claim that Iran is behind every, apparently every Jewish anti-war protester, you know, they arrested, I believe, over three. 300 Jewish Voice for Peace and if not now demonstrators at the Cannon Capitol House Office building, the Cannon House Office building, I should say, in the Capitol the day before he gave this speech. But yeah, he's saying, you know, they're still on the same, he's on

the same wavelength as Blinken and Sullivan trying to, you know, just ink Tom Friedman's dream deal with Saudi Arabia and normalized with Israel. So they normalize with Israel and it opens the door to ingratiating the Israeli apartheid state over the day. dead bodies of all these Palestinians into the whole Muslim world. And he's saying, you know, I have a name for the new alliance, you know, the same NATO-style alliance they've been trying to build for years now using the Abraham Accords as the foundation. He says we're going to call it the Abraham Alliance. And this is, you know, strongly backed by J.D. Vance, the vice president ostensibly, who's supposedly scaring the neocons after he's been selected by Trump to be his, you know, his sidekick.

But Vance's whole policy is like, just like Trump, we got to finish the job, finish the job in Gaza, where, you know, I mean, we can get into more what's been going on in recent weeks. But, you know, finish the job in Gaza so we can really work on this alliance we're building up and take on Iran. That's the plan. Same way, wherever they oppose the war in Ukraine, it's only so they can, you know, build up against China and prepare for a war over Taiwan that much more. all of this is so disgraceful well and consistent with trump's narrative that the only reason october seventh happened was because biden went soft on iran and then they somehow bankrolled at all which is and ran it i guess which is completely false but makes for a nice talking point and we already have a golf cooperation council which is not really a war guarantee but it's

Certainly America's list, oh, client states over there with, you know, Israel not a member, but de facto leader of it anyway, as part of America's order of power in the region. But, you know, I got to wonder whether Netanyahu really wants war with Iran. I mean, they make the perfect foil to have them there to demonize this whole time. And because after all, the Ayatollah has proven time and again, he doesn't really want to fight. In fact, can you explain a little bit about the recent, and we talked about this on the show before, but when Israel killed the Israeli, was it diplomats or military officers in Syria, and then Iran responded with that missile volley, didn't they give them like 48 hours notice that, hey, we're going to shoot a bunch of missiles, so get your anti-missile missiles ready and so forth? Yeah, I believe they gave Jordan and Turkey a 72 hour notice, and of course that would have gotten back to the U.S. U.S. And, you know, the interesting thing about that, again, I agree with you. I've always felt that they, you know, giving up Iran as the big boogeyman to justify this constant aid to Israel would be the biggest mistake that the Lekud could make. I mean, it's just on its face, this is, this coalition cannot work. You know, speaking of that situation where you had Iran responding to the bombing of their consulate, killing those top generals, and then several civilians in Damascus at the consulate. And when they did send over those drones and missiles, some of those American planes that shot

them down and intercepted what they could took off from places like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. But there was this whole piece in Middle East Eye about how those states had scrutinized their basing agreements with the Americans in advance letting them know that if you plan on retaliating against Iran, I should say, you are not going to do that from the bases you have in our territory. We do not want war with Iran. We like the situation as it is. Ever since China brokered that landmark peace deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia last year, you know, Iran has been brought into bricks, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

They've normalized relations with Sudan this week. Bahrain is next. Russia has helped broker that. They already normalized relations with Kuwait and the UAE. So, I mean, that's three out of four of the Abraham Accords states. This whole thing about building this NATO-style coalition and integrating all the air and missile defenses and using the hoothies of all people, you know, of all groups as the excuse as Michael Carilla has been doing for, you know, years now, especially during, you know, just as early as his confirmation hearings, he seemed most thrilled about that. Because now Israel's under sent comm since Trump was in office. And so there's all these great opportunities to integrate our forces and take on the Iranians and their partners. I just don't think it's going to. to happen. I don't think the region wants anything, any kind of open conflict with Iran be far too destructive. Charles K. Brown, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, has warned that if

Israel does make a serious move against Hezbollah and go into all-out war with Lebanon, that Iran will likely offer significant support to Hezbollah and that the U.S. could be dragged into that war as well directly. And so, you know, hopefully Netanyahu is just concerned about the fact that a reformist is taking power in Tehran soon as president, Dr. Masu Pasekian. He wants direct talks with the U.S. He wants to get back into the Iran nuclear deal. And there's a real opportunity here for some diplomacy. And I'm sure that they're at least somewhat concerned about that because there's no reason for the U.S. not to return to the deal. You know, Biden has been arguably more hawkish on Iran than Donald Trump was. He's expanded the sanctions. There have been major assassination

campaigns and Israeli covert attacks on their nuclear program throughout Biden's term. And, of course, there have been escalations in Syria this whole time as well. Israel bombs the country almost every week. And that was even before October 7th, going back years since the dirty war against Damascus. But, yeah, I mean, maybe he's just concerned about that because it's going to be glaringly obvious when this guy takes power, this new president, that, again, there is no reason for the U.S. to be at odds with Iran.

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And, no, they couldn't attack the United States. They couldn't hurt us. Worse that we're probably facing would be a massive missile volley and maybe, like, far beyond what America and it's out. allies can keep up with to try to shoot down against, you know, obviously Israel and also against American and allied positions in the Gulf in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar. And we've got the whole Fifth Fleet Station at Bahrain and the Al-Ulid Air Base in Qatar is the Home of Central Command over there.

And of course, we got, I don't know how many tens of thousands of troops in Kuwait and in Saudi Arabia and et cetera. And, of course, economic targets in the trillions, if it comes. to that. So that ought to be enough deterrent for you. Let's not fight them if we don't have to. You know what I mean? It's not a question whether they threaten us. It's a question of if Biden's sending in all the B-52s, still, what would it cost us? Because I think you mentioned this is, I think it's a real possibility that if they got into a tangle, if Israel got into a tangle with Hezbollah be on this tip-for-tat thing going on lately, that they'd have to

call in the B-52s that Israel can't take them without America to come in there. And at that point, I don't know what's going to happen, you know, what Iran would do at that point. I think a lot of bets would be off, including maybe our alliances with some of these Sunni states at that time. So I guess I wonder if I could put that in the form of a question. Have you seen much talk about that with American national security professionals concerned that they're really going to get dragged into a war with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon? Well, yeah, I think the overriding concern, and these reports have been coming out, you know, back at the beginning of the year, especially, we heard about these DIA assessments where they've

looked at over and war-gamed the probability of how Israel would fare, especially given that they're overstretched in Gaza as it is. You know, Netanyahu Bosvaha, we're fighting a seven-front war and all this stuff. And they've said if they go into, if they go into fight Hezbollah, they're not. going to be able to sustain that themselves. And so the implication is the Netanyahu wants this war to stay in power. And certainly Bezal-Smoutrich, you know, the finance minister who's the occupation governor of the West Bank, and then the other, you know, worst hawks in the coalition like Itamar, Edomar Ben-Givir, they're very gung-ho on taking the war to Lebanon next.

We've even heard from some top Israeli officials that if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, even temporarily, that's only going to be to give Israel's military some rest so that they can go and focus on Hezbollah and then really take that fight up to southern Lebanon. And so, yeah, I mean, the implication is that Israel will not be able to fight them by themselves, and it's going to require U.S. support. And this has been the major concern the whole time. It's one of the reasons why, thankfully, the U.S. and Iran are having some sort of indirect talks via Oman to try and keep tensions low, because if they do attack southern Lebanon in earnest, I think it would activate much of the axis of resistance against Israel, which is really what Netanyahu is saying. He's saying, we're going to fight the axis of resistance. We want your support, including probably, especially if Iran got involved to any serious degree with U.S. troops. on the ground. And we already see, I mean, Tel Aviv, excuse me, Tel Aviv was hit by a Yemen Houthi drone strike last week, which killed one person in an apartment building and injured, I believe, nine or ten other people. And then now Israel's bombing Yemen. They bombed fuel depots in Hodata, caused a massive fire and killed, I believe, six people and injured dozens and dozens more. And the Houthis are saying,

great. We wanted this. Let's go to, we're honored to fight you. We relish going into direct conflict with the Israelis. And the Houthis have been, you know, nothing the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and U.S. linked shipping and U.S. and U.K. linked vessels, you know, military or otherwise in the Gulf of Aden and, you know, in the Red Sea. I believe June was the highest month yet for strikes. And this is after the Americans have carried out hundreds of strikes in Yemen so far. We spent over a billion dollars on this campaign, this new war against the Houthis. And we have naval commanders going to, this is the greatest naval battle since the Second World War. And it's unbelievable.

I mean, this is against the poorest nation in the Middle East. These are the people standing up for the Palestinians. And the war in Yemen killed more than 400,000 people. Very much, you know, it has a lot of similarities to the way the war is being carried out in Gaza. You put a full blockade under this very poor country where they rely on, you know, food imports. Yemen required, relied on imports for 90% of its food. And they put these people under blockade and then bombed every manner of civilian infrastructure you can think of. Anything that could sustain life.

And they killed hundreds of thousands of people, mostly infants and children under five years old. But these are the people that are standing up on behalf of the Palestinians while the U.S. is, you know, claiming we're, we support a two-state solution and we're concerned about, you know, the humanitarian crisis. And meanwhile, we're just, we've sent Israel 14,000, 2,000 pound bombs, 250 different arms transfers to support this war on Gaza. You know, most of these people at this point, I'm reading these stories of people have been displaced 10, 12 times before they're killed. It's just absolutely merciless, and they've destroyed so much of the water infrastructure that now people are getting less than a third of the required minimum. This is a new study by Oxfam about how the Palestinians in Gaza have less than a third of the recommended minimum for survival and emergencies of water because, you know, 100% of the sanitation plants, the wastewater sanitation plants have been destroyed. 70% of the sewage pumps and gaza and the water quality testing labs have been destroyed. They're saying there's five attacks on critical water infrastructure every three days, on average.

And it's just insane. And the Hezbollah is made very clear, just like the Houthis. And as soon as there's a ceasefire, we'll stop attacking Israel. And the Houthis have said they'll stop implementing this blockade. There needs to be a ceasefire and a withdrawal. And that is the one thing that Benjamin Netanyahu ref- well, one of the many things, but certainly in these negotiations, he's deliberately, even according to David Barnia, the head of the Mossad, who is the lead negotiator in these indirect talks brokered by the Qataris and the Egyptians. He's saying Netanyahu is the one preventing any kind of a deal because he insists on we're going to control the Philadelphia corridor, the Gaza-Egypt border indefinitely forever, you know, basically forever. and we're going to have a screening process for any of the Palestinians going back up north,

which means they're going to be kidnapping and torturing more and more people. There can be no armed men in North Gaza, of course. That's his stipulation. And then he says we're not accepting any deal that doesn't allow us to go in there after any sort of arrest bit and wipe out Hamas, eradicate Hamas, destroy their military capabilities, destroy their capability to govern. And we have heard, you know, the Gallant told the families of these hostages before Net and Yahoo left for the states, he said, look, we have a consensus. Shinbet, Mossad, the IDF, everybody says there's no obstacle that we can't overcome right now. Right now we should make a deal.

And even if it's on the more hawkish end of a justification like Hersey-Halevi, the IDF chief of staff, apparently told Netanyahu recently in a war cabinet meeting that, look, we can have a brief ceasefire. It'll give the army arrest and they'll get the hostages, and then you can go back and kill all the Palestinians. And still, that's not good enough. And I should say regarding the Philadelphia corridor, the Gaza-Egypt border, the whole thing is Netanyahu is saying, well, I need to, we're going to prevent any sort of weapons transfers from Egypt into the strip. So the Egyptian said, we'll build an underground wall to prevent any sort of the weapons transfers. And the U.S. said, we'll fund that wall. We'll pay for it. And Netanyahu is still saying no. So, I mean,

it's just, and then, you know, there were families of hostages of American citizens who told the House Foreign Relations Committee the same kind of thing we've been talking about week after week that Netanyahu is the one sub, you know, subverting any, and thwarting any attempt to make a ceasefire deal to get the hostages out and to give the palace, allow the Palestinians to have some access to humanitarian aid. I mean, Lancet is estimating right now is the way. things, if the war stop right now, probably over 186,000 people would be dead through direct and indirect causes, violence of the war, direct violence and the indirect effects of the war, the destruction of all the infrastructure and the starvation.

Elaborate about that a bit, Connor. It sounded kind of future tense the way you phrase that. Yeah, sure, sure. Lancet is saying that because the indirect deaths of modern war is usually three to 15 times greater than the direct deaths, if you take currently, The death toll in Gaza is over 39,000 now. And I think they put out this report. They were talking about up to June. But anyway, they said the minimum estimate is that roughly 186,000 people will be dead in the next few years, even if the war stopped now because of the diseases that have been spreading,

the ramifications of the starvation siege and the destruction of infrastructure. Polio is now being found. The Palestinian Health Ministry and UNICEF just carried out some tests on some, they got some sewage samples and found polio. I got to say, though, yeah, you know, as editorial director, I don't like that number of extrapolating out in the future tense. I mean, we're going to talk about it could be, you know, something like, 186,000 is like some made up thing.

We're almost in 40,000 people killed now anyway. I mean, if he told me in five years, this is how many excess deaths that we can calculate have happened, that's one thing. He can try to extrapolate, but I hear people citing that number as how many people have already been killed, even, not even just died in the circumstances. But as you say, what they actually wrote was will die over the next while. I mean, come on. Right. But anyway, point being, it's still tens of thousands of innocent people.

They're bombing schools, their bomb, which are, you know, refugee shelters, bomb and soccer games, malling down. syndrome victims with German shepherds and leaving them to bleed to death. They're carpet bombing people in their refugee tents with 2,000 pound bombs. This is the most merciless violence going on on the face of the planet right now. Yeah, over 120 schools have been bombed. We've seen there's a new report from DropSight. They got to look at a confidential UN report that says that in addition to the 200 or so UN aid workers, who have been killed, I believe 172 members of their families have been killed as well.

You know, we've seen strikes on, I mean, 561 different internally displaced Palestinian sheltering and unrebuildings have been killed and over 1,700 more wounded. You have like 500 health care workers have been killed. I believe 274 different aid workers have been killed. They were just shooting another UNAid convoy over the weekend. And, you know, this is on top of, like, we see these maskers in the so-called safe zones where they bombed the Al-Mawesi tent camp with five, 2,000-pound bombs, killed over 90 people, mostly women and children.

And this latest attack on Khan Yunus, they've displaced over 150,000 people. And they're telling them, you know, there's nowhere to go. According to the UN, 80% of the strip is now a no-go zone, which is, you know, from the 972 Mag reports in Israeli media from these IDF sources, that they just kill people out of boredom in those no-go zones. They have, there's no, the rules of engagement, or if anybody, if you see somebody and they're walking towards you, you can shoot them. It doesn't matter. Women, children, the elderly, just shoot them. And they do. I mean, there's this latest, there's been reports in Politico and CBS News recently about these American surgeons who went to Gaza saying they've never seen anything like

this just child after child shot in the head, or shot in the chest and shot in the head. This doctor, one of the guys is named Dr. Mark Perlmutter, and he was speaking with CBS Sunday morning, and he said, I had children who were shot twice. I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest that I couldn't put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately and directly on the side of the head and the same child. He goes, no toddler gets shot twice by the world's best snipers. He said, you know, I've done 40 mission trips in 30 years, ground zero, earthquakes, all that combined doesn't equal the level of carnage.

I saw against civilians in just my first week in Gaza. And he says most of the wounded and most of the people being killed and wounded are children. He says it's almost exclusively children. I've never seen that before, never seen that. I've seen more incinerated children than I've ever seen in my life combined. I've seen more shredded children in just the first. week with missing body parts crushed by buildings or bomb explosions. I've taken shrapnel as big as my thumb out of eight-year-olds. And the Gaza Health Ministry is saying that now 16,000 children

have been killed in Gaza alone. And that's to say nothing of the West Bank, where they're up to, it's almost 580 people have been killed. And how many are officially missing as of now, Connor? Well, that last report, I believe from Save the Children was 20,000. And that includes people who are because the number still stands, and I think it's been out, it's stayed at 10,000 or so for months and months and months now, but there's about 10,000 Palestinians who are presumed dead or buried under rubble. So those children, plus the unaccounted children, who their parents can't find them. It's over 20,000 at this point. So it's, it's, you know, difficult. We discussed this before on the last, last time I was on about the Sy Hirsch piece, about how when it comes to

getting accurate death tolls because of the nature of the way the war is being carried out because they're bombing the south, they're laying siege to the north and carrying out massacres, you know, all over Gaza City and all the different neighborhoods and bombing central Gaza. There's no way for, you know, aid groups or monitors to get in there and come up with an accurate counting of how many people are being killed. What really counts is that the most conservative estimates are way too high. It's completely insane. Net Yahoo's right that it's barbarianism versus civilization, but he clearly is the barbarian. And he himself cites a 3,000-year-old text for permission explicitly to kill innocent men, women, and children by falsely, obviously

accusing them of being some tribe that doesn't exist anymore. And he invokes God's advice 3,000 years ago to the ancient Hebrews to destroy Amalek and cites that specifically in his instructions to the IDF. That is what they are to do, is to kill civilians. And it's all on America's time and with the roaring applause of America's bought and paid for traitorous representatives in Congress

as ever and apparently as shall always be to anyway all right I'm sorry we're out of time but thank you so much for your time for coming back on the show Connor appreciate it of course Scott thank you all right you guys that's Connor Freeman he is assistant editor at the institute

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