Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 8/15/24 Matt Orfalea on the Media, Censorship Complex and Political Hacks Running the Country

Episode Date: August 18, 2024

Scott interviews Matt Orfalea on the work he’s doing to expose the lies and hypocrisy of those in the media and in power more generally. Scott starts by running through some of his favorite videos made by Orfalea. That leads to a broader discussion about how awful the media is, the scope of the censorship complex and more.  Discussed on the show: Sharp as a tack video Russia stole the election video Biden brain fry video Orfalea’s thread on Rob Flaherty Matt Orfalea is a journalist and video producer. Sign up for his Substack, subscribe to his YouTube Channel and follow him on Twitter @0rf This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey guys, on the line, I've got Orf, Matt Orfala, actually, and you might know him from his incredible video montages, sometimes at least distributed in cooperation with Taibi and company over there at Rackett News, known for such hits as the walls are closing in, and Ukraine is definitely going to win this war. I forget, but they're the best montages. Oh, the best one going now is, recently, is the sharp as attack. Sharp, sharp, sharp, sharp as attack. Good old Biden, he's sharp as attack. Man, that one just blew my mind. It was so much fun to see the way you did that. And the way it just goes on and on and on like that.

It's behaul the power of the propaganda of the state and especially the Democratic Party now. It's really something to see. And so, you know, for people not familiar, it's, he spells it zero R.F. Orf. And you can find him on YouTube. And you'll like it. I mean, it's fun because he's got the talent. He's like a DJ, you know, with the way he mixes together, all the sound bites and everything.

And makes it a lot of fun to see. So welcome to the show, man. how are you doing thanks so much scott that's cool how you describe it as a dj or because like originally like i wanted to do that kind of thing and i just i couldn't do it because i have no musical talent so so i but luckily video is working out yeah you're you're quite able to sync up these cooks saying their ridiculous talking points in a way that is a lot of fun you're the mixed master mic of democrats telling lies on tv thanks yeah it's all it's all the same sampling Very similar.

That's right. Before we get into it, I want to say I did not, I can't take credit for the walls are closing in. It's such a good one. Oh. But I have done Russia blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. Russia had the election. That was a great one. Wait, wait.

Go slower because I have to talk about how much I liked each one. The Nord Stream one was hilarious, dude. See, I have all these are footnotes actually in my book. It's like, oh, you got to see the crazy propaganda here. Like, yeah, Russia blew up their own pipeline. Yeah, that's a great one. And then what did you say? The unvaccinated, which is just a big compilation of mainstream media villainizing the unvaccinated.

Yeah, good. And Russia hacked the election, which was kind of the original Stop the Steel, except it was totally endorsed by the mainstream media, where they said that Russia was responsible for the 2016. loss for the Democrats hit 2016 loss to Trump right all now obviously you know they're referencing like the DNC hack but the way they frame it or you know alleged hack it's crazy

because crowd size source cart sorry crowd strike says they can't even prove it was hacked by Russia the DNC emails but um anyway but but uh it's Russia hacked the election was

the catchphrase to say that the election as a whole was not legitimate. That was another phrase they used over again. He's not a legitimate president. As they would say that that is misinformation, disinformation. They're meant to mislead and make people think that what they're

really saying is they hacked into the vote totals, right? They lied about who won. Hillary Clinton even suggested that. So yeah, you're absolutely right. That's what they were suggesting. And they even convinced, according to you gov poll,

over about 60% of Democrats polled said they believed that Russia had hacked voter tallies that's incredible right

I mean yeah it makes perfect sense though you know I learned this when I was a kid in high school

and actually I'm only taking my history teacher's word for it because I don't think she ever showed us the polls but I believe her

and the lesson was the same even if the numbers are a bit off but she said that like in 1991 they said or maybe it was in the later 80s she said uh they did the poll where they say what are your greatest concerns about issues facing america and then it's an open-ended thing they

don't give you multiple choice they just let people answer however they want so they have like the top 25 concerns or top 30 or something and drugs was 13 and then they did just a year of propaganda tom brokaw did his big special about the crips and the bloods he you know, feral young super predators with technine machine guns on the streets of L.A. and all of this stuff. And then later that year, or early

the next year, they did the same poll, and drugs was number one on the list. And then they dropped the propaganda campaign after they got their Biden laws passed and whatever it was that they needed at the time. And then they did the poll again the next year after that

and it was back down to 13 again. And I I was so impressed by that that like they can really jerk people's chain and just make them think whatever they want for a while anyway. Just your brain on mainstream media. Yeah. It's really

incredible man. And they do it. So and then wait, were there more on the list there that every I love the hits here. I want to go back and watch them all. There's so much fun. What's some more that you did? Let's see. Well, I did a

A popular Biden, you know, brain freeze compilation back in, before he won the in 2020. And I mean, it's just 20 minutes of him just forgetting the Constitution. Right. Right, right, right. Yeah, I remember that. And again, even forgetting that he was running for president. Yeah, right. And now I don't think, yeah, vote for me. I'm running for Senate. Right. Repeatedly. It wasn't just one time, Scott. And like, how does everyone not know this? If we had just like any honest media, like that would be all over it.

He repeated the man who's leading in the, you know, in the polls, leading the election repeatedly forgets he's running for president. And that was four years ago. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so this is the segue right into what we're talking about here because here four years later, I guess you got nothing but smarter and younger and better since. then been eating as fish oil pills and so forth because whoever these scum are

I'm not sure exactly decided that this was misinformation and they got away you have this great report that you did on Twitter which I'm off at Twitter but I asked the thread on roller to unroll it for me so I read your whole thread here of this dive that you did into these Democratic Party aligned? I don't want to overstate it. I don't know who they are. Who are these cooks? They are kicking people off the internet for saying that Biden's growing old.

Yeah, they are Democratic Party operatives. You have at the top is Rob Flaherty. He was the digital director for the Biden 2020 campaign. It went on to be the digital director, digital strategist director for the Biden White House. You know what? Cut me some slack here. Let me try to play this clip and see if I can do it without it screwing up. Okay. You know, one of the smartest things that I think the party did itself was over the last couple of years, they actually invested in a team that Tim runs, and you'll hear from Tim, to detect and track misinformation and misinformation narratives in the sort of various corners of the internet, and then actually go out and flag it to platforms as a violation of their policy.

And so that work, I mean, the stuff that they did was a critical asset. That piece of infrastructure, I think, was one of the more important decisions that was made in sort of the party space over the last couple of years. So, yeah, boy, the smirk on his face when he's talking about tattletailing, a grown-ass man with like some kind of stubble on his face. So I'm like, yeah, and then we tattletailed on them and got them in trouble with the bosses there to have them censor. And that's just the one little clip. I guess you had found what should have been secret, but they published what on YouTube, this Zoom meeting? Yeah, that webinar was hosted by this lobbying group called Hate Not Hope. And it was, they did publish it on their Facebook page after Biden won the 11th.

election, it had very few views. And I mean, I stumbled upon it because I was looking for, you know, when this guy refused to define misinformation under oath, I was like, well, let's see what this guy's, you know, what he said about it before. Now, there's a lot of stuff that was published in the committee on the weaponization of the federal government, you know, including like emails from this guy, Rob Flaherty. Clearly, you know, defining misinformation as what they say, you know, call anti-vax or basically just anything skeptical or critical of vaccines. But in that search, it led me to this, this webinar, which is titled Combating Disinformation. And the guests being Democratic Party operatives, Rob Flaherty. And then you have another Democratic Party operative working, who leads the DNC's so-called counter-disinformation program.

Tim Durrigan, and then the third op is Becca Rinkovich, who was the rapid response director for the Biden 2020 campaign and then went on to be deputy digital director

under Flaherty for the Biden White House. And now guess where she's at? She's at Harvard University. She's running Harvard University's Institute to reboot the Internet. Holy crap.

What a name, right? Oh, that doesn't sound good at all, man. No, no, it doesn't. Especially when you see the clips of her in this webinar advocating for censorship and referring to conversation about Biden's mental decline

as disinformation. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and especially when they had to admit it so bad that they had to overthrow him and prevent him from running again. And I don't know. I mean, I read a few different accounts of what went on there, but I don't think they really... I mean, the Post and the Times, they talked about how he wrote his speech with Donnellon and whatever. I guess that's believable, but it was weird the way that happened, man. You know, he didn't go on TV and announce it.

like LBJ or anything. He just put out this weird tweet. They said he had COVID, which is why we couldn't hear from him for days right during this transfer. Seems like at least there's space in there to speculate that they really presented him with this.

You know, I don't know if you saw where Seymour Hirsch and the New York Post both say that Hearst, it was Obama himself, threatened him with the 25th Amendment. They're like, look, dude, we are going to replace you. So don't make me this the hard way, pal.

Like, they played that level of hardball with him to get rid of him. Because he wouldn't believe them how crazy he was. They were telling him, Biden, you're too crazy to do this anymore. And he was like, what are you talking about? I haven't aged a bit since I was 45. Yeah. So funny, because he was always talking about how Trump was the one that would never let go of power. But he refused down to the line until apparently either they threatened him as reported

or yeah, the medical emergency, which is also, which is being reported now. Right. Yeah, and by the way, I'm glad you brought that up, and this is, I'm sorry, because this is an interview question or anything, but just, just annoys me as a chance to talk about it.

He said the other day, I don't think that Trump will accept a loss. Well, who gives us shit? He's not in power right now anyway. So what's he going to do? Bring his militia and sack DC? Or what is the threat there? He'll cry about it,

and he'll keep crying about it if he loses? Because he won't be in any position to, I don't know, like refuse to relinquish power or something like he was last time, although even then he wasn't really, was he? And he did go turn around and leave when he had to. Yeah. But it just makes no sense whatsoever. You know, at least that threat would be plausible

if he was already sitting in the chair, right? But as the challenger, if he doesn't accept, then so what? And Biden's telling me, I'm supposed to be afraid of this. It just makes me hate the Democrats and want to see them fail worse and more. Yeah, I mean, Hillary Clinton never, you know, well, she did do some concession speech. Obama made her at first there, yeah, made her call Trump and concede to him. But then she went on to just. continue to spread the propaganda that the election was, quote, hacked by Russia and that

Trump was a, quote, illegitimate president. Yeah. You know, I'm writing a book and I have a whole Russiagate section. I was just working on that part of it a little bit and especially the narratives, right, about the way the, I don't mean to be too sexist about it, but Jake Tapper counts to, the way all the ladies on cable TV news just went bananas with this thing. They believed in it so bad. You know what I mean?

They wanted to. Yeah. I mean, all of D.C. I'm in D.C. And, yeah, it was nuts. Yeah. Trying to have, like, rational conversations and just... It's really frustrating when they don't know they're lying.

You know what I mean? Like, God, it's the same thing with Iraq. They're like, do I really have to debunk these weapons lies when it's not about the weapons? anyway dude they're just jerking your chain man yeah you did a great job with uh bill crystal by the way i'm curious that was when so when that was happening though yeah like who in your life like what what kind of like when did you realize it and like i mean i remember at the time i was in high school and like i had a little interaction like with my history teacher who didn't believe me. He didn't believe my current event report that there were no, you know, that the

weapons inspector said there were no WMDs. I was like, so did you, I'm curious like, obviously, yeah, you went head to head with Bill Crystal, but before that, like, what was there, you know, who were the authority figures that you were just trying to shut you down or disagreeing with you? Well, I don't know if I've ever actually been. and like stifled other than the Google, you know, Michael Weiss and the proper not thing, convincing Google to downrank us all in 2017. I mean, that was really the thing that hit me and my guys. Dang.

Yeah, I didn't realize. I mean, that was a long list. I forgot you were on that list. Jesus. Yeah, anti-war.com. And I guess the Libertarian Institute, because I have stuff. And my own site, too, Scott Horton.org. You know, I'll Google stuff on my own site that I know was there.

and the site's been there for 20 years and I know Google has harvested every bit of it and whatever and there's stuff that I'm searching on the site that I know was there and I know how to do site colon, scotthorton.org, even slash stress because I'm looking for something on my old blog and it still won't show me what I'm looking for.

I had to go and being in duck, dot go and whatever would not pull up stuff I need from anti-war.com from the institute for my own site. I had to actually just go into the back end of my own site and go to the post. and just find the damn thing that way.

It's so bad. Yeah, it's really bad. How rigged the search engines are. Well, in anti-war.com, especially, you know, it's been there for 25 years. We got like 100,000 pages of text or whatever, and it's not a bunch of search engine optimization BS trying to front. It's all content of really great stuff

that we've been on top of all this time. And so it used to be back when Google, before they leaned on them, to do all this cheating, anti-war.com will come up in your search results for all kinds of stuff all the time and in Google News as well and then they just asked all that and it was in the name of this misinformation that the truth that we were telling was misinformation when we were the ones debunking their lies the whole time yeah yeah sucks mad now when did now they called it i remember they called it russian propaganda that was the original thing did they also use the term misinformation then? Oh, I forget. I'd have to go back. Okay. I know eventually they did, you know, the whole rebranding, basically, right? Yeah. Not Russian propaganda, but...

Yeah, there was fake news, you know, they're calling it for a while, which there was a time where that actually had a more specific definition that was an honest definition that was separate from just a lie in the New York Times, which was already just... you know, a Charlie Savageism or whatever you call it, you know. But fake news was like some Macedonian kid would make the Denver reporter, and it would just have like a nice banner on it and some ads, some, you know, embedded Google ads. And then it would say, Pope endorses Trump or, you know, Nike sneakers make you jump extra high, or just whatever ridiculous thing for people to click on.

And then that was the fake news. There used to be one called the EU Times. And they would have, like, it was never admittedly a satire. But basically, they were jerking your chain and trying to see if they could get you to believe their fake news. So it wasn't funny like the onion. They were trying to trick you, but that was funny that would be if you fell for it. You know what I mean? And so it would always be like slightly plausible, but also a little bit over the line sounding headlines.

You know what I mean? That you should know better. Yeah. So stuff like that. That was fake news. But they just changed it to just mean whatever I don't like anymore. you know what i mean of course yeah i mean i found like this other some more you know zoom calls with with these uh democratic party ops and there's this slide presentation of you know how

the this counter disinformation program works um and literally every example they give eight examples, eight bullet points, every single one is either accurate reporting or satire. Oh, really? That's in the thread here? No, no, that's coming up. Oh, okay. But yeah, I mean, it's just, it's incredible. But, but just, I mean, it's just, it's going to be, there are many examples, right, of them saying something is disinformation and it clearly being true, like the Hunter Biden laptop. That's, that's another classic one. But I think this, these, this slide, will just be another solid example that kind of blows the whole

counter disinformation narrative out of the water. Yeah. Well, you know, this thing, this one just drives me crazy about the thing. It's just the stupidity of it all. Like, I get the dishonesty, but, you know, the one last week where Elon Musk retweeted a guy that had this video

where it's supposed to be Kamala. Harris's voice and she's going, I'm the biggest idiot in the world and I work for the biggest loser president ever, blah, blah, blah. And the whole thing is obviously not real. It's not even trying to pretend to be real. It's not an attempt to fool you. It's just funny.

It's an attempt to entertain you with like this is what she would say if she was honest. That's all it is. And no one could possibly think or much less fall for. It's not meant to be fallen for. It was, you know, it was just a damn joke.

clearly a joke. And they go, dude, I saw all of these headlines. Elon Musk retweets misinformation, disinformation, fake thing, can you believe it? This guy abused in the power of the Twitter to tweet out this fake Kamala Harris video. Oh my God. And I'm like, man, screw you.

I don't even care. Like on one hand, he does sometimes retweet things that are stupid and wrong. But on the other hand, also, I don't care. And I don't have time for this crap. But then, later in the day, I'm taking a break from whatever, I guess, probably working on the book. And then I see more headlines about this.

And so I start reading the news articles and none of the news articles. I mean none of them link to his tweet. And I read like nine and I'm getting pissed. And then finally one of them includes his quote, which is whatever, L.O.L. This is hilarious or whatever it was. That was the exact quote. So then, because see I'm not on Twitter. I can't just scroll the man's timeline, you know?

so because I had to quit to write the book or I'd never get it ready I totally understand I have to quit social media every so often so I Google the tweet I find the individual tweet itself that none of them would link to and I click on it and it's this ridiculous silliness this joke that he obviously didn't mean that obviously was just a parody and it just drives me absolutely to frustration that they waste my time trying to jerk my chain they might as well be shouting right in my face how stupid they think i am and i'm just barely smart enough that that really bothers me you know yeah it's it's infuriating it really is uh i mean it's just that's just like basic journalism you know cite your sources like you're not supposed to take it seriously unless sources are cited yeah like that's what they teach right and then they they just and then i do the work and they're wrong yeah you you know yeah yeah sucks bastards um okay so wait now this i i can't wait to see that the next video there that you do do you have an email list i need to get on i think i subscribe to

your substack yeah just uh oh the substack there yeah i think i'm i think i'm already subscribed to that actually okay okay so um and then where am i here um so wait a minute now so this really worked this censorship because we're talking about we're not talking about this time around right we're talking about this was old you're saying this is from 2020 and then there was a part of this i'm skipping around but there was a part of this where he bragged about some of their real successes um where they had censored um facebook and twitter posts and facebook posts oh did i say facebook twice i meant google was one of those um and Well, Flaherty, in the thread, it just features clips of Flaherty just explaining the program and classifying, you know, he brings up Biden's, the issue of Biden's mental fitness as an example of a, quote, misinformation narrative.

Right. This is the part I was babbling towards here as I scrolled down was, quote, concern about Biden's mental acuity in particular went down by eight points. over the course of our campaign. And I hate to give them credit for that, but there's no other explanation other than their censorship, right? Otherwise, he's getting older and dumber every day and everybody could see it.

Well, they have a whole other, you know, in addition to pressuring social media companies to take down material, which is a crucial, you know, that's one of the four steps of their counter disinformation program. It's also the, well, the counter-discountry, messaging, right? And so just examples of how manipulative that can be. Anytime somebody typed in the words Biden and senile into a search bar, they'd be showing a video of Joe Biden,

you know, speaking clearly, a short video, seemingly unedited, but it was edited. And so, you know with that Google ads Facebook ads and just you know what it is it's traditional marketing but it's using super advanced targeting

and every you know if I don't know if you recall Scott but in 2016 after the 2016 election there was this firm called Cambridge Analytica that was highly scrutinized for this kind of

targeted advertising based on personality profiles. So, you know, because of all the data that everybody shares online, whether they know it or not, you know, every search, every click, it accrues and it's building up profiles on all of us. And, you know, the more they know about you as a person, the more that they can create an ad that you and people who are like you are, more susceptible to.

And so in this clip with Becca Rinkovich bragging about how they brought down the Biden mental acuity issue by eight points, she attributes it to their targeted advertising campaigns. Now, I mean, there's no doubt that a huge part of what led so much of the voting population to wrongly believe that Biden was at the top of his game at a time where he was clearly in mental decline is a result of, you know, the mainstream media propaganda and censorship. But, yeah, you can't discount the targeting campaigns. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, all this. That's amazing. And so I love this quote from journalist Sasha Eisenberg. In his book, Lie Detectives, you quote, he says, flattery and Rakevick saw the opportunity to grab a voter at a moment of curiosity and then essentially keep badgering her as she traveled across the internet. Can you explain a little bit more about what that means? Well, it's basically, you know, if you go to, well, let's say like that example I shared earlier, like based on what you type in, whether it's Biden plus senile or they also. followed people who typed Kamala plus cop and yeah so and so where you go on the internet you know you're going to be followed with videos and ads sponsored by the Democrat campaign oh I see case

it was the Biden Harris 2020 campaign I see so maybe she searches senile and they show her you know Google shows her YouTube of Biden looking smart or something exactly but then she clicks off says, I want to go watch a skate video now and they still show her some Biden ain't senile stuff. And then she goes somewhere else to look at something else. And they show her even more Biden ain't senile propaganda

to just like really beat her over the head. That's great. I like that for the evil craziness of it all. I mean, it's kind of incredible that this Sasha Eisenberg journalist describes it in that way, which sounds awful, right?

But, and it's important for people to keep in mind. Like, this is the guy who's actually, like, his whole book is slanted in support of the Democrats. I mean, he literally refers in his book and even at the end of this interview with Chris Hayes, he himself is referring to Biden's mental decline as disinformation. Yeah, wow. And so he's not even criticizing them here. He's saying like in this. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying is, like, if that's what their friends are saying about this process, like, yeah.

Like, that's how bad it is. Right. Like, he was being very hyperbolic by using the term badgering. That was a negative term that he was going to, he went ahead and went with when he wasn't really criticizing them at all. He thought it was like a neat example of how it works, huh? Yes. Yeah. And similarly, Kamala Harris.

was super critical of this, this targeting, this highly advanced targeting based on social media data and online data. Oh, uh-huh. Until she changed your mind. Oh, my. Yeah, no, yeah, like everything else, right? But she went so far as to compare it to domestic surveillance. She said, and this isn't going to be an exact quote, it was pretty damn close.

She said, it's like somebody following you everywhere. you go, keeping track of everything you do and everyone you do it with. And so, and said, like, you know, for normal people, they, if this happened to normal people, they would call the cops. And so this is what our online experience is now with this targeted advertising. It's good, it's important to be aware of. And I mean, ad block can help a little bit, I suppose. But, Wouldn't that be hilarious if it turned out that her whole stupidity was just a fecade and she was actually a brilliant genius and she gets in there and is awesome and repeals a bunch of horrible laws? I don't know. That would be nice, but I don't know.

I mean, how many politicians could even say what you just quoted her as saying? You're right. That's pretty good. That's right. No, and I think it's fair to compare it to surveillance. Yeah. That's what it is. That's a good one, man, yeah.

And I'm just joking around. This was the thing with Obama, the secret Obama. You just wait until he gets in there. I know he says he wants to triple the Afghan war, but he's going to end it. You just wait, you know, people would just come up with anything. But of course, the context was she was criticizing, this was during a Senate committee hearing featuring the Cambridge Analytical whistleblower, which refers to totally on Trump. Other side.

So that's why she would use this, you know. Exactly, yeah. And then meanwhile, like, I remember reading a bunch of things that said that that Cambridge Analytica thing was a bunch of smoke anyway. It didn't amount to anything special, really, you know? Like with this girl, they're badgering. Do they have any proof that this works, really? Oh, I guess the 8% thing. That's pretty good.

Yeah. You can't line. There's no question. This, I mean, unfortunately, Scott advertising works. I mean, we all like to think that we're above it and we can see through it and we're not so easily manipulated. But it really works. even just basic like repetition you know you hear something enough you might start to believe it and many people absolutely do do believe it and and that's without these you know all this

data where they can tailor a message for you personally right personally are susceptible to i know well look i got addicted to them youtube shorts i'll start scrolling through those when i'm supposed to be working and i'm like man they got my ass dude They show me skateboarding, and then they show, like, some boobs, and then they show, like, these funny construction workers, and then they show, like, whatever, dude. And I just keep watching. Can't help it.

It's so bad. It's so bad, Scott. No, I have the same problem. And I even, I tried, so there are these three dots that you can, out to the right of a video where you can click on to say, Not Interested, right? Oh, you can. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

I'm so in love with you, dude. Oh, I love you. Oh, my God. Dude, I have been, they subject me to so much Dave Rubin. I want to blow my fucking brains out. You can, you can make it not show you Dave Rubin. I didn't say that. They say, they give you an option that supposedly does that.

However, however, however, so I've tried that. I've tried that. No, you're killing me. I've told it. I can't see any more basketball highlights. I just like, don't, don't do it to me anymore. I have a weakness. stop and it still

won't stop. Like, so I wonder if like I You made it worse. By doing that, by doing that I basically admitted to them like I am hopeless, helpless against this and they really, and so that to show me more of it. You know what mean? It's like I'm giving away my weakness

to them, I wonder. Yeah, I don't know. Dave Rubin ain't no weakness of mine, man. I just God dang this guy. I'm like watching a video and then I realize he just stole somebody else's thing and then put it on his own feed

and then has a little thing where he tells me what I just saw at the end. Oh, someone should strangle that guy. Oh, God. And I don't ever want to hear what he has to say because all it is is Benjamin Netanyahu can murder

whoever he wants and whatever else he thinks. I don't care. Well, that is a tried and true YouTube formula. Oh, what a bastard. It just is. Unfortunately. Yeah, I could never do that, dude. I mean, if I actually, like, really have something to say about a thing,

there's going to really be a point. But just sitting there and going, look, here's a clip of two other dudes talking. And then I talk at the end of that. It's like, yeah, and I'm one other dude. I'm telling you that that was two dudes talking. Dude, seriously. I'm your dude talking. And that's been a dude talking about two other dudes talking.

Yeah, dude. No, it's not good. If they ever find me hanging from the balcony, that was what did it. it wasn't the CIA it was they forced him to watch another Rubin video you're giving them a green light yeah that's how the CIA did it no it was the CIA they control Google

and they made him watch Dave Rubin until he murdered himself to death poor guy what a horrible horrible horrible horrible person that guy is just just terrible so then oh I like this

has he blocked you has what happened has he blocked you Oh no, I wish he would I'm going to try your trick there with the I don't want to watch any more of these button and see if that helps I'm definitely going to try I didn't even realize you could do that

Yeah and I I did there's also like don't recommend this channel so that I really hope that does it for you but if it doesn't Make note let me know and if that's the case then my hypothesis that it's really just a way for YouTube to treat a verify to them what your weaknesses are

yeah seriously i and it's not yeah like i say i mean if if well i don't have that same experience like if it was a thing with like look man stop showing me skateboarding because i can never stop looking at it's like maybe there's like an endless supply you know what i can say not this channel not but there's just all unlimited yeah but yeah but like i say like this guy i just don't want to see it so that's very specific hopefully it works yeah hopefully i always try to scroll away fast i don't know why they keep showing it to me because I scroll away as fast as I can and that usually works like for a while it thought

thought you know what I mean the goddamn algorithm decided that maybe I wanted to watch dudes on scooters because I've watched dudes on skateboards and I'm like no wrong so I scroll quickly off of those and it stopped showing them to me

because I think it figured out that no I'm actually racist against stuff like that I just like skateboarding I hate scooters and rollerblades I like bikers. They're okay. But, so it kind of learned that it's going to piss me off. If it keeps showing me scooters,

you know what I mean? Oh, I know what it was. It was because one guy bombed dropped off of a real tall roof where I was like, damn, that's tall. Like, I'll even watch a scooterer do that. That was what happened, and that set it off. But then I convinced it, I think. I trained it to stop showing me

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You had to do it. I had to take that opportunity. Basically, so you're familiar with the YouTube's concept of borderline content, are you? Why don't you elaborate there? Okay, so we all know, so they have all these social media companies, they have these rules that they're constantly expanding and these rules say that they can take down, you know, anything that violates these rules. but YouTube came up with this other term called borderline content which doesn't violate rules

but they say they restrict and suppress so this is a whole category of content which they do not detail other than it's content that doesn't violate their guidelines

that supposedly will cause harm. And so they suppress it, systemically suppress it. I just think that... So now this is something that Susan Wajitsky has been talking about

since the censorship really ramped up in YouTube in 2008. And, I mean, she passed away recently, but anyway, that's not important. Horrible legacy. And what I read

in the weaponization, you know, the committee on the weaponization of government's report on the censorship industrial complex was that this is an email chain with

Rob Flaherty, which to connect it to what we're talking about earlier. And he's complaining, he was trying to take down Tucker Carlson saying he wanted to, well, saying that Facebook wasn't censoring it

enough. This was a video of Tucker Carlson correctly pointing out that the vaccine did not stop transmission as advertised. He was also pressuring to take down Tommy Laren, a Tommy Laren video, because she had said she wouldn't take the vaccine. And Facebook said, we can't take that down because it doesn't violate our policies, but then they assured them. And this is not in my thread. It was in another thread I did before it. And Facebook says, yeah, don't worry, we're still suppressing it. And we have our algorithm ordered to limit borderline content. I say, this counts as borderline content. And our, I'm sorry, YouTube is YouTube's term. So in a similar exchange with YouTube, YouTube assured flattery that we, we blog.

block borderline content down to at least what as at least as low as one percent of recommendations and the goal is to have it as low as 0.5 percent of recommendations wow so just just that's absolutely incredible you know there's an interview of um uh darren b from revolver news on the Greenwald show and Beattie quotes maybe even plays the video I'm trying to remember anything he certainly quotes

by name and you know specifically these executives at Google talking a telling a story basically right they're like at some conference or some kind of thing and they're telling the anecdote about how they were criticized for promoting Ben Shapiro

so much wow And they responded that, no, you don't understand. We're doing that very deliberately. Because when anyone goes to any form of alternative, conservative, or right-wing point of view, we want to always direct them to Shapiro because he is safe. And, you know, what he says, he seems like he's a little bit on the outside, but he's not, that kind of thing. And so we very, and of course, the point being Israel first, that's what's safe about him.

And so they, like, oh, that was their defense was, don't be mad at us for supporting this extremist. In fact, you just think he's an extremist because he's a liberal. But in fact, he's a bitch-ass trick, and he works for us. And it's the same thing on YouTube. You know, they have Fox News and all the other main. mainstream, you know, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, those are, so it, to replace this suppression, you know, so they remove all the, quote, borderline content from recommendations while they fill it with all the mainstream news companies. And I guess on Facebook and probably on YouTube as well, you know, I wouldn't be a surprise to, you know, the booths Shapiro in a similar way. But that's why that's what helps them. get so much more recommendations is because it's taking up the space

that the quote Scott Horton show borderline content would be taking up yeah yeah for sure it's just it's just so crazy to just to see like they literally have restricted you to us

you know and everyone we know to a decimal point of recommendations so they're not going to remove it but they was restricted to a decimal point of recommendations. And if that's the case, how do you ever, you know, make an impact, right? If they've made sure that it's only a fraction of people will ever be shown this. I mean, it's- This is the way they really cheated in 2020 was, and this was in the Twitter files,

where all of the biggest brand names of like the new right, the young right, say like Cernovich and Pasebik and Charlie Kirk and all of those guys. got turned way, way down. And just like you're talking about, basically shadow banned, right? Completely adjourned, but not kicked off. So they're still pissing in the wind. They're still pasting like, hey, everybody,

here's my right-wing thing I'm saying, but nobody can hear it. All their likes, all their shares, all their everything goes way, way down, and nobody can see what they're doing. And we're talking about guys who, like, they're big shots, man. They're the leaders of the pro-Trump right in America

in the media, like it's, you know what I mean? It's not the same as just like squashing on what bear remains of the Ku Klux Klan or something. You know what I mean? These are people who are perfectly legitimate voices who, by whatever hook or crook have earned their audiences, is completely crazy to think that they would be censored in that way in the lead up to an election like that. That's something you'd see in a third world country and some American supported dictatorship overseas. Yeah. And what makes it particularly nefarious is that, okay, if they take down your video, they take down my video, it's like, all right, like, then it's, it's out, it's there for everyone to see.

You can see the censorship. And you can respond to it. You can try to, you know, petition them. You know, you can do something else. Open up a rumble channel. Something. Yeah. Yeah, you can try to make some noise about it. Um, where, whereas if they do this. suppression where they don't recommend your channel and limit its reach with the algorithm, as they've said they're doing explicitly in these emails, I mean, there's, you know, there's no way to verify it. It's, yeah. Well, and again, and this is so important. The misinformationists are the biggest liars. Biden's completely senile. Russia Gate was a total hoax. Ukraine can't possibly win. And the vaccines are maybe beneficial if you're old and fat, but for everybody else, probably

are a wash or even worse. And these cooks have been wrong the whole time about every bit of this stuff. And I love, this is just such a great example. I mean, you almost can't make this stuff up, man. They include in their misinformation narratives, this guy flattery says, conversation online about corruption. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, everyone knows it's an absolute scientific iron law of the universe.

There's no corruption in the Democratic Party. And if anybody ever said there was any, that is ipso facto a lie on the face of it. Corruption, please. He said corruption was a, quote, misinformation narrative along with conversations about Biden's mental fitness and conversations about the crime bill. Which, yeah. Miss, it quote, misinformation narrative. That's the best. The crime bill.

Well, so what's misinformation about Biden's record on the crime bill? Are you saying it wasn't his crime bill? Because I'm old and I know it was his crime bill. I remember from back then in my own brain. I mean, I expect he even bragged about it and some C-SPAN clip somewhere. He was also behind the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. and his staff and his people had helped push the Patriot Act as well.

It's the worst of the worst of all this stuff. The Patriot Act. Yeah. And ran to the right in alliance with Strom Thurman, ran to the right of Ronald Reagan throughout the 1980s

criticizing him for being soft on crime and drugs. The whole time. That's who Biden has always been misinformation. You know? Like, what did anyone ever say about him in the crime bill?

That wasn't true. He doesn't have any example of that. Just he doesn't like you talking about that. That might help suppress the black vote if they know that this guy was Strom Thurman's buddy, you know, and acted like it. And as I said in the threat, I mean, how are they, how the hell can they say these things are misinformation or misinformation narratives? Well, it's because effectively, I mean, in practice, it's very clear that misinformation to them is anything that is inconvenient to them. Anything that's inconvenient to the Biden campaign when they're working for Biden, anything that's inconvenient for Kamala Harris, now that they're all working for the Kamala Harris campaign. Yeah.

And the laptop thing, remember the lady that they tried to put in charge as the commissar, the weird singing lady. she was a huge booster of the laptop hoax which she had to have been a complete idiot to believe it if you even read the letter that they said they said we don't know this and we're not claiming to know this we're just saying it seems to us like it could be well you dude are you kidding me

but that was what the letter itself said and then she wants to go and censor people and Twitter and Facebook the rest of them they did censor people based on that based on Clappers got a hunch and their willingness to go along with this stuff and by the way, why didn't Clapper

them just lie and say we got some secret information we can't tell you about that's easy enough they do that all the time too you know but he admitted he was like, look I'm just making this up because I don't like Trump, come on the that

would be disinformation Tsar Nina Jenkowitz that you brought up yeah she didn't just push that disinformation that the laptop was Russian disinformation but she also pushed the disinformation that about Alpha Bank and the Trump

campaign. Me and Matt Taibi were just joking about and talking all about that hoax because it's connected to their new revelations about that the same cooks who vouched for that from the Georgia Tech team also help vouch for the

Russian hack of the dnc server which is also a lie yeah and we're just finding that out now breaking news at racket dot com wait now like yeah that is the biggest uh just the whole dnc hack there's just so many questions there that i mean how crowd strike they the testimony they said under oath their president i believe it was sean henry even they didn't have evidence that Russia hacked those emails. And that didn't come out till years after the Mueller report came out. Yep.

I mean, that is a huge Fred Flag. That may not belong to Russia. I mean, my God. And he testified that in December of 2017. And they didn't admit it, as you say, it was a full year after the Mueller. report came out. Only in May of 2020 did they finally release that. I mean, that is wild. You know,

do you remember that guy, I mean, he's still there, Eric Wemple at the Washington Post. He's like the in-house media critic guy. And after the Rushagate report, the Mueller report came out, he did a big kind of post-mortem on all that the media got wrong and all their Pulitzer surprises

and the Steel Report and he went real hard against the horrible Natasha Bertrand, who he said bootstrapped her entire career off of the Steele dossier and all this, but, and I had, I can't remember why, but I had emailed him before, maybe I had even interviewed him before for some reason. I think I had just emailed with him before, for some reason before, I don't know, but, so I took the opportunity to say, like, hey, man, listen, I know you're really not supposed to go this far or whatever, but like, what about

the DNC hack itself? You've touched on every single accusation. None of them have held up, but what about this one? There's no reason to believe it. And like, by the way, I'm not saying that it was this or this or this. I'm not saying Seth Rich and I'm not saying Bill Benny. You weren't allowed to question it. I'm just saying yeah but like I'm just asking you. Yeah start from scratch bro and ask why should we believe this? And that was the one

I think out of virtually every major Russian gate theme that was the one that Eric Wemple would not review that like why did any of us believe because that was the core of it all. I was like well still we know that the Russians did the hack and the leak but no we do not know that.

I mean, and that's according to freaking crowd strike. Yep. And Robert Mueller, in the Mueller report, he doesn't even try to prove it. And in his indictment, people go, oh, yeah, well, what about his indictment of the troll farm? His indictment doesn't even have a real narrative about how they did it. It certainly doesn't prove it. It sort of tells a story, but it doesn't prove it at all, you know? So, and then, yeah, as racket news is revealing this week, come to find out the same guys who were, who had,

vouch for the Yodafone hoax and the just increased Russian web traffic near the Trump Tower as well as the Alpha Bank hoax those are the same guys help vouch for CrowdStrike's conclusion

on the server too and they worked with the Clinton campaign so and CrowdStrike of course had been hired by the Clinton campaign law firm Perkins Quay as well so whole thing's just so hoaxes can be man there's no reason believe in any single part of that story whatsoever

you know um even the pregozen troll farm they weren't really trying to help trump it was just they were just i don't think they're trying to do anything they're just making money yeah i would really like to see what you know someone dig in a little bit more i mean or at least at the very least i'd really like to see uh you know somebody face trial for the murder of Seth Rich. Not saying it was him. I don't know. But I mean, you should at least be able to question like, all right, who

killed them? Like, it's an unsolved murder. You should be able to ask a question about an unsolved murder. Like, like a simple question like, okay, who did it? That's all people were asking when they were, you know, smeared as

you know, wacko conspiracy theorists for asking the incredibly basic question who killed the man because we don't know so who killed him yeah yeah and there was no real reason to connect

him to the leak but so what like somebody said that so what if somebody said that like you're saying still an unsolved murder they say that you know local black guys were robbing people

for their cell phones in that neighborhood all right well so show us some of this put them on trial then you know that's your explanation yeah and i don't really think i really don't think he had anything to do with it you know okay i mean there's cameras everywhere all all i'm saying is like regardless of what i don't like i said i don't know but nobody should be should have been smeared and attacked for just asking that basic question right yeah well i mean that's the thing of it right is there it is um uh a damn near totalitarian covid-style lockdown on information because their

lies are working less and less so they just got to try to criminalize everybody who says otherwise or you know otherwise not outright criminalizes get rid of our dissent so they don't have to put up with it I don't think it's really

going to work though man you know you have things like this um I don't know the different ones but like essentially open source Twitters where well there's Twitter itself which Musk ain't perfect but he's a lot better than old Twitter was but also I think there are a

time where you don't have to go to anywhere.com you just have an app but everybody's got the same app like Signal but only like with your own page and something like Twitter or Facebook in that way but it's just an app that we all literally are just peer to peer connected

without Zuckerberg or anybody else calling shots you know yeah although these you know there's an effort to infiltrate those companies of course the signals and the

and WhatsApp in fact at an Atlantic Council Zoom call some meeting that they streamed with I don't know if this what was the Stanford

internet observatory or something like that yeah I think that's all these all these pro-censorship institutes anyway the atlantic council guy is asked what would you do if you had unlimited funds and he said i swear to god he said he would uh spot basically put down the money to figure out how to spy on private what's app um what's app conversations yeah amazing in specifically for whatever reason he was interested in immigrants spying on immigrants what's app conversations

Fascinating Well Look I don't know You know I asked Greenwald Doesn't it suck that after all the Snowden stuff came out That like

There are a couple court decisions And laws passed But they didn't really rain in much And he said yeah But then what happened was The whole world switched to HTTP And got You know more and more signal

And WhatsApp and encrypted type things which are not perfect of course and if they've already poned your phone then it doesn't matter what program you have on it but it's a huge improvement and that that's really the future right is just making their kind of spyware

as obsolete as possible I know oh what's his name the anti-virus guy who died kind of wacky he had made a I don't know

I'm sorry what you say I can't think of the anti-fire Oh, McCaffee. Oh, okay. Yeah. After COVID, I was thinking like real viruses like the hands. Yeah, the, I mean, he sold the company eons ago or whatever. It was named after him.

But he had invented a phone where it like had a switch that manually disconnected the camera lens and function. It like broke the circuit literally inside the phone when you weren't using the camera. you could turn it off so nobody can hijack your phone and turn it on without you knowing and the same thing like with the microphone

and all that because you know even if you take the battery out of your phone they can still use it against you in some ways but he's like

breaking the microphone there's like a switch to make it make the microphone itself literally not work so that you have so you could have a secure phone I think just things like that

are going to hopefully rise as you say I guess they'll all get infiltrated too, so it's a never-ending contest. Sure. The battle continues. Yeah, seriously.

Well, look, man, you do really great work. I see how much traffic your very memeable and very viral videos get. And it's really great to know that the stuff's going out there because the stuff is just so outrageous. I mean, you get, trust me, you're getting the reaction you're going for when you put these videos out. you know um so uh i'm really glad that you do it man and and and now like really digging in this is a little bit more and better a little uh bigger step toward uh deeper journalism here that

you're doing exposing this flattery guy and all of this stuff so uh definitely on the right track and doing great stuff there man appreciate you thank you thank you on the right track to join you at the proper not list i get the next one i guess oh yeah we'll be seeing you at the gulag, man. All right, you guys, that's Orf. It's ZeroRF on Twitter and on YouTube, and it's Matt Orfala. That's how you say.

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