Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 8/22/22 Hunter DeRensis on Loser Liz Cheney’s Awful Legacy

Episode Date: August 25, 2022

Scott speaks with Hunter DeRensis about the legacy of Liz Cheney. Although the Wyoming Congresswoman recently lost her primary, she seems determined to take a shot at national office. But even if we��re not done with her yet, it’s still worth taking a look back at how terrible she’s been throughout her career. Scott and DeRensis explore some of her worst episodes: things like throwing her sister under the bus on gay marriage, aggressively defending torture, telling McCain to shut up about torture, labeling Guantanamo detainee lawyers as members of Al Qaeda, trying to use a War Powers resolution to keep U.S. forces in Afghanistan last year and more.  Discussed on the show: “Loser Liz Cheney: We knew ye, and that was the problem” (Responsible Statecraft) “The ‘explosive’ Russian bounty story is so far, a dud” (Responsible Statecraft) Willie Geist’s “I love Dick Cheney?” moment on MSNBC VP Cheney’s Speech at VFW 103rd National Convention Hunter DeRensis is an editor at the Libertarian Institute, a former senior reporter at The National Interest, and a regular contributor to The American Conservative. His work has also appeared at the Ludwig von Mises Institute and Antiwar.com. He is a resident of St. Augustine, Florida, and a graduate of George Mason University. Find him on his website or on Twitter @HunterDeRensis. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, author of the book, Fool's Aaron, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and The Brand New, Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2004. Almost all on foreign policy and all available for you at Scott Horton.4. You can sign up the podcast feed there, and the full interview archive is also available at YouTube.com slash Scott Horton's show. All right, you guys, introducing Hunter Durencis. He's the editor of my Libertarian Institute, and also he writes for the American Conservative magazine and responsible state craft.

This one is called Loser Liz Cheney. we knew ye and that was the problem welcome to the show how you doing honor hey scott i'm doing great really happy to be back hell yeah man happy to have you here uh great piece this was our new junior fellow jim bovard oh oh um it said this was the single best piece on the horror show that is elizabeth chaney um and her horrid record as a human being and a Republican politician. So let us count the ways. First of all, she was born to Lynn Cheney and Dick Cheney.

Is that right? Yeah, so she's already starting off pretty bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad. So, and then her father raised her to be a monster then? Basically, I mean, it's a great question of nature versus nurture. Is it passed down in the blood, or is it just the way she was brought up? but Liz Cheney has defined her career going back almost 20 years to be the perfect personification of her father. In many ways, she will go even farther to defend his actions than even he will publicly.

She is a full stalwart defender of his record during the Bush administration, and even the consequences since then, whether that's defending the invasion of Iraq, whether that's defending the torture program, whether that's defending the entirety of the national security state. In Liz Cheney's eyes, her father did nothing wrong. And I think that's, you know, more than enough to condemn her to the same jail cell. Yep. Oh, huh. End of interview. Great job, Hunter.

No, I'm just kidding. Thank you. It was a great victory party. Yeah, no, you sum it up well. You know, here's something I'm going to put you on the spot about that you don't mention in here. But I forgot who mentioned this near me. other day, but it's a big deal that she betrayed and threw her sister under the bus for being gay back when she was first running for Congress, something like that. Do you know that story?

Yes. Liz Cheney's first attempt at office was in 2014. She attempted to primary the sitting Republican senator from the state, and she came out during the campaign as opposed to gay marriage, which I think the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage in 2014, so it was still very much a hot button issue. And that is actually one deviation she has from her father. Dick Cheney has been perhaps not the most vocal, but at least a private supporter of gay marriage, even from the 1990s. He informed George W. Bush when he was selected as the vice presidential candidate in 2000 that, hey, just so you know, I can't speak on this social issue because my other daughter, Mary, is an open lesbian. So I don't feel comfortable on that. I support her choice. I support that.

so that was always just sort of an oddity of Dick Cheney that here's the most you could say right wing in the Bushite GOP sense guy but also he was quite liberal on gay marriage because he had that personal experience yeah but then fast forward like John McCain and torture right's the only way to get him to be good on it has to be a person's always the one exception yeah but fast forward 15 years and you have Liz Cheney in 2014 coming out publicly against gay marriage and that shocked a lot of people because of her father's position on it and her sister Mary actually came out and said like hey Liz never had a problem with me before I think she's just doing this for politics it's very upsetting and I'm very unhappy about it and that caused quite a scandal in the media the rift between the two sisters and just seeing that

oh Liz Cheney really is willing to as much as she clearly loves her father whether you think that's a positive attribute in this case or not she's willing to throw her sister under the bus to appeal to conservative Wyoming voters. And it didn't work. She got absolutely crushed in the 2014 primary. And it was just a real embarrassment. Yeah, I think even the fact that she just started out with going for primaring the sitting senator was seen as a real affront. And everybody was really mad about that, you know, just going into it. But now, so help me remember. Was there, was it just that she had opposed the policy or there was a specific. reference to her sister where people like a reporter had asked her yeah but what about her sister and she said what about her or what something like that or how did that go i'm sure you're right because because her sister mary was an open lesbian and her father had been vice president so this was well known you know nationally in the media and the culture i'm sure she was asked about that i'm not sure i could give the best representation of her exact answer in this case yeah i don't remember i know there was something but i don't remember how it went anymore but anyway it's my fault for putting you on the spot about that without you

know having that reference in here but it just goes to show though what a scumbag she is through and through yeah um now on iraq war two i don't know that was a pretty good deal jeb bush said uh what's to regret there yeah and that would be liz cheney's position according to her the iraq war was uh success for the same reason her father believes of success it's when you believe in U.S. global hegemony, when you believe that it is the primary responsibility of the United States to be the dictator of the world and a lowered military supremacy over every corner, then you can see the Iraq wars of success of, oh, well, we pushed over a dictator we didn't like, and I don't really care about the political chaos, I don't really care about the people who died,

we're probably in a stronger position just being able to lord over the region. So all in all, we can wash our hands of it. this was pretty good, and especially when you, like Liz Cheney, who will today defend the falsified intelligence prior to the war. As recently as 2014, she was writing co-authored pieces with her dad defending the alleged connection between Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, saying that they had a positive working relationship, and this was one of the reasons it was good we invaded. when that was, it's a complete lie made up and fabricated by the Bush administration as an excuse to get into the already pre-planned invasion. So the fact is, she is completely, you know, she's not tried to redeem herself whatsoever as bad as the global war on terror has gotten.

She still holds to this exact same 2002 talking points and really has just been unmoved by any of the facts on the ground, any of the revelation. in the media or things you've covered on your show, proving definitively, inarguably that Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, Condoleezer Rice, Don Rumsfeld, and all the others lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, lied about a connection to al-Qaeda, all to satisfy a war that they had already decided they were going to do before they tried to spread this disinformation to the public. So Liz Cheney is just caring. on that legacy and it's it's really quite disgusting i mean even someone as despicable as david from has come out and said hey maybe iraq wasn't the best idea but what are you going to do but liz cheney says no it was the

greatest idea we should never back away from that and especially in 2014 still trying to stand by saddam was back in osama and she might as well just smack everyone in the face and spit on them and call him stupid before she opens her mouth to say that. Look, forget everything we've learned in the past 10 years, but just trust me on this. Yeah, seriously. And, you know, the right has really come around on Iraq. They're just...

I mean, Iraq War III showed that, boy, we shouldn't have done a Rock War II. You couldn't argue with that, but nope, not for her. And of course, 2014, we're right in the middle of Iraq War III, right? What is it starting? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly.

um the well depending on when you if you count it at the beginning of 2011 or august of 14 yeah no we understand each other um all right so um and then by the way so as the principal deputy under secretary of killing people and whatever it was in the state department um during w bush you know i oh man i wish i remember the thing i read about this that was so funny that talked about how first she had just been the this and that. Then she went away to have a baby and then she came back and now she got promoted, you know, above, you know, skip three people to now be the principal, this and that, whatever the hell, six word title in the state department where her job was creating the Syrian National Council, primarily out of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood to be the Syrian government in exile, awaiting regime change. when Obama came to town and nobody ever says anything about that

you know there's one time I remember she was a guest on the Hannity show and Hannity's going whose bright idea was it to give all this money to the Muslim Brotherhood and she's just like gulp yeah those liberals Sean and but you know

luckily he doesn't ought to read and so yeah Liz Cheney was certainly involved well involved in the Bush administration she started out right after the well, she was involved in the 2000 election just being as an informal advisor to her father, helping with debate prep, that sort of thing. And by the second term, you're right. She's

embedded in the State Department. She's known by everyone else as Dick Cheney's eyes and ears in her section of the State Department, just reporting back to her father. And that's something I've always find fascinating how Dick Cheney is able to insert different lackeys into different parts of the government to help run, you know, the entirety of their apparatus out from the vice president's office. Colin Powell called it a separate government. Exactly. So she's doing that.

And yeah, from that position is helping engineer a future Syrian opposition, Syrian National Council developing through the Muslim Brotherhood. That would then develop as one of the preliminaries to the U.S. support for opposition during the Syrian Civil War. And unfortunately, I didn't cover that in the article just because of space limitations. But if I was going to list every sin of Liz Cheney, I mean, it'd be another book. But a book where they can read more about the Syrian National Council is enough already. Time to end the war on terrorism.

You have a whole nice, chunky paragraph in there about Liz Cheney's actions during the Bush administration. And I encourage everyone to go read that if they want something even more thorough than my peace and responsible statecraft. Yeah, well, your direct deposit is in the email there. All right, now listen, so this same lady then says, oh, yeah, well, you're a lover of Al-Qaeda, and the Al-Qaeda 7 are the lawyers who are, what, trying to protect our email privacy or trying to stop torture? Yeah, this is something I only just learned about recently and researching for this article, because it happened around 2009, 2010, and there's a, As a younger man is a little before my time, and nobody talks about this now. But in 2009, Liz Cheney co-founded a nonprofit called Keep America Safe with Bill Crystal. And it appears the entire point of this organization was to defend the torture program and advocate for the continuation of Guantanamo Bay.

This was at a time when people still believed Barack Obama was going to close it. It turns out Liz Cheney and Bill Crystal didn't need to lift a finger because it was not going to happen. But they're going around making these speeches talking about how Obama is threatening the national security of America if he, you know, by stopping the torture program, Liz Cheney is coming out calling these people patriots who deserve our thanks, giving this big celebratory speech at CPAC, the annual conservative conference, and this whole thing. And you're right. So it became a talking point that Barack Obama had hired, quote unquote, the Al Qaeda 7, which was just a referring to seven lawyers in the Justice Department who had previously either defended people charged with terrorism as a lawyer is supposed to do or had advocated, you know, less torture at Guantanamo or its closure, or just seeking reforms to the international torture regime that the Bush-Cheney administration had set up. So you have Liz Cheney coming out and saying, oh, hey, these lawyers who defended their clients, these Al-Qaeda 7, whose values do they really have in mind?

Americas or Osama bin Laden's? And this was even too far for a lot of the regular conservative Republicans. You have people coming, you have conservatives on Fox News coming out and saying, hey, Liz might have a bit of a screw loose here. This is a bit much, isn't it? and the furor and pushback was so much and I guess the organization is such a failure

that they closed it up and there's not a single trace of keep America safe online currently. You can't find stuff about the org, what they did, their press releases, you know, you look up great media at the time like on anti-war.com, doing reporting on the organization and stuff, but they wipe the slate clean and nobody talks about it anymore Which is just, you know, both hilarious and sad that there's still just no accountability in the system.

Yeah, seriously. There's no self-awareness beyond, boy, we better get rid of that. But for them to have made that thing in the first place, too, just goes to show, as Bill Hicks would say. Just no irony whatsoever. Dick Cheney's daughter and Bill Crystal. I'm talking about keeping us safe, the same people who ruined everything. Mm-hmm. And that's the thing that really comes across with Liz Cheney.

Because it's not, most Republicans during the Bush era would come out in, you know, Blasey support for the torture program. Oh, you know, this is necessary. We're at war. We have to do this. But Liz Cheney takes it such a step further in that there is a definite, gleeful enthusiasm when it comes to the torture program. Yeah, talk more about her squabble with McCain there. Oh, yeah, she's happy we're doing this because even as late as 2018, so she's already in Kong. Congress, John McCain, longtime senator from Arizona, 2008 nominee, Supreme Warhawk, and I think at this point already dying of a brain tumor, he comes out and he says, hey, the torture program was a shameful thing. We should have never done it because, as we just mentioned earlier in the interview, it was McCain's only possible saving grace because whatever we can say about his war record in Vietnam, he was a prisoner of war for five years. He was tortured by the Vietnamese. and because of his personal experience, always opposed the Bush torture program.

So he tweets this out, and Liz Cheney quote tweets him, a man who cannot lift his arms above his shoulders because of the torture he endured in Vietnam, and she says, no one should slander the brave men and women who do this crucial program. So it's like, you have this woman,

Dick Cheney's daughter coming along and telling this tortured Vietnam veterans, saying, hey, sit down, shut up, and know your place. How dare you think you can speak on this? I'll tell you that torture is great, we need it, and you are doing a disservice to our country by supporting al-Qaeda if you think torture is wrong. It is such, as much as you and I can mutually hate John McCain and Liz Cheney,

it is such a disgusting display of arrogance that she's, that she can speak from that position to someone who actually underwent the kind of torture that she was supporting. And Rand Paul, you know, McCain's better noir in the U.S. Senate, they didn't like each other and they went to spats. But Rand Paul comes out and says, hey, John McCain's right, torture is bad, this program was a disaster. And Liz Cheney responds saying, Rand Paul, you support al-Qaeda, you're helping our enemies, you're a freaking traitor. This is terrible. And it's just, you know, where does this woman get off? It's, I guess it's just the way she was raised in that household.

That's amazing. Yeah, Liz Cheney is to Dick Cheney exactly what we all wish Rand was to Ron, you know? But in this case, in this case, Rand was doing his best Ron. And I love it. The context is defending John McCain, who he's constantly battling, who's constantly calling him a Russian agent, whatever other thing. But he's like, no, McCain is right about this. because you love Osama. Again, the lady that handed everything over to Arar al-Sham's parent organization, basically, you know.

And Al-Qaeda linked force worth defending, according to Foreign Affairs magazine. But anyway, no, really, that was the headline over there. Yeah, so good old hurt. Now, so talk about the spying, too, because she was a big advocate. for the absolutely illegal felony violations of the FISA statute in 1978 that were revealed finally by Jim Risen and the New York Times in 2005, right? Yeah, it goes with the whole kitten caboodle of the national security state. Liz Cheney has frankly never seen a program that increases the military bureaucracy that

benefits the Pentagon, that benefits the, you know, our system of endless war that she disagreed with. And that's what really separates her from so many of the other hawks, whether it was John McCain, even kind of Lindsay Graham, even someone like, oh, who's the guy with the eyepatch? I'm blanking on his name. Crenshaw. Crenshaw, even Dan Crenshaw. She goes further than anyone in her unanimous support

for every single portion of the U.S. national security state. There's no war where she says, oh, well, maybe that one's kind of dumb or we have better wars we could fight. No, it's every single piece. And that goes along with the spying apparatus. And defending her father's support for setting up a spy apparatus that is basically looking at and tracking every single American citizen that continues to this day, she's never had a problem with it. And if you say, hey, this is unconstitutional, this violates our Fourth Amendment rights. Where is your warrant? This is unnecessary. this doesn't help secure the safety of Americans. She'll just look at you, call you a traitor, and ask you why you're supporting the terrorists who want to kill us.

It's, I mean, it's disgusting behavior. It's a disgusting position. And, you know, we shouldn't be surprised that she holds it. It just, it all fits too well for her. Seriously. Hey, guys, anybody who signs up to listen to this show by way of Patreon will be invited to join the Reddit group.

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And other than that other ridiculous fraud, Tammy Duckworth, I think Liz Cheney was the one who picked this up and ran with it the most, right? Yeah, her and Duckworth, Liz Cheney promoting the complete fabrication. I'm trying to be sexist. It's just they actually were absolutely the worst on this. No, I'm an equal opportunity hater of neoconservatives, male or male. And Duckworth really is shameless. So screw her, man.

Oh, absolutely. we need to talk about her some other time. But Liz Cheney, one of the biggest promoters of the Russian Bounty's hoax, promoted in the New York Times as an anonymous intelligence source from, I believe they said the CIA, saying that, oh, Vladimir Putin is putting bounties on the heads of American soldiers in Afghanistan so the Taliban will assassinate them. Absolutely no evidence given besides this, you know, anonymous and form into the intelligence agencies. There's absolutely no corroboration from U.S. military personnel on the ground. They can't point to a single soldier that they say, oh, this person was killed because of a bounty, no evidence of payments.

There is nothing going on. But you have people like Liz Cheney, Tammy Duckworth, and others, using this as a trudgeon to beat the Trump administration while they're attempting to get out of Afghanistan. Because after March 2020, you have, the agreement with the Taliban for a final exit, and they're trying whatever they can do to stop it, and that involves both pushing the bounty story, which I wrote an article about it back in 2020 at Responsible Statecraft, if people want to check that out, look at the history,

pushing that in the media to create a narrative of, oh, we have to stay in Afghanistan, so I guess Putin can keep trying to assassinate soldiers, so it didn't even work with internal logic. And at the same time, Liz Chene is co-sponsoring an amendment to the 2020 defense budget, co-sponsored also by Democrat Jason Crowe, Colorado, saying that actually the president doesn't have permission to leave Afghanistan. The Congress, for the first time, is going to reassert its authority over war powers to tell the president, you can't end this war. And specifically, the amendment said that the president would not have permission to reallocate either troops or supplies away from Afghanistan unless several conditions were met. And those conditions were

victory. Until we win in Afghanistan, until we've completely crushed the Taliban, until there is a working Western democracy, until we are the undisputed powers within that territory, oh, we can't come home. Those are the only preconditions. So it's a completely poison pill amendment and that Liz Cheney is spending the entirety of 2020 trying to stay in Afghanistan. And I relate a story in the article that, and I've been told this story in my circles that, you know, I work with veterans with bring our troops home. And this is something that's often repeated and I can confirm its veracity that a veteran tried to approach Liz Cheney in the fall of 2019. And he's, you know, a fellow who shares our opinion. and believes these wars are a mistake and wants to bring our troops home.

And he, again, a veteran, a resident of Wyoming, one of her constituents, approaches her on Capitol Hill, and asks her, hey, under what circumstances would you support a military withdrawal from Afghanistan? What would have to happen for you to say, mission accomplished, we're good? When are our troops coming home? And she, without missing a beat, just looking at them right in the eye, says never we are

never coming home that one word answer never it does not enter her mind that the United States would ever should ever leave Central Asia I'm sure in 10 or 20 years if we had stayed should be arguing that it should become

the 51st state I mean it's this is the mindset that the Cheney family that the neo-conservative operatives that they have and that is a permanent military occupation of planet Earth. Yeah, but Hunter, all that was then. Now she's the greatest champion

of the U.S. Constitution since George Washington. And democracy. Yeah. So what about that? I mean, she's really made a name for herself, right? As the proud, principled, moderate, centrist devoted to the rule of law and all the white marble institutions in Washington, D.C. in the face of the insurgent, insurrectionist, terrorist, white supremacist traitor, Donald Trump, and his followers, right?

So what's wrong with that? Yep, that has been the new talking point of the corporate press going back about a year and a half ever since the riot on January 6th, where Liz Cheney, despite having posed the entirety of Trump's foreign policy during his four years, made a final break. with the outgoing administration and became the darn. You mean despite supporting everything he'd done and opposing only the few things he'd tried? Yes. Thank you for the correction. Yes. I'm sure, you know, completely supporting his Iran policy, completely supporting policy towards Venezuela, et cetera. Iraq and Syria and staying in Afghanistan, escalating it for four years before negotiating our exit.

Correct. Correct. making a complete break with the administration and becoming a darling of the media for her acceptance of serving on the January 6th investigatory committee in the House of Representatives, along with Adam Kinsinger, who's been prating for months that we should go to war with Russia. These are the type, but you now have the media and a large portion of the center-left liberal, won't say left. but liberal Democratic base supporting the Cheney family and saying, oh, I can't believe 20 years ago I thought Dick Cheney was the literal Satan

just to come and find out that, oh, they're the most principled Republicans and the biggest believers in our democratic system of government and the role of law. And there is so much lip service in the media saying that Liz Cheney

by opposing Donald Trump and his action post-election is all of a sudden the biggest believer in the U.S. Constitution. Now, you can think whatever you want about the veracity of election claims and Donald Trump's actions post-2020, etc. I really think it's a side issue in this conversation because it's just the fact that whatever you think of that, Liz Cheney has spent her entire adulthood in opposition to the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution. when it comes to the security and freedom of Americans,

whether that's supporting endless, illegal wars waged by a president with no accountability from Congress, a direct violation of Article I, Section 8, which gives the legislative branch the sole authority to debate and declare war with a formal vote. She's opposed that her entire public career, or to what we discussed earlier with the, The blatant violations of the Fourth Amendment and warrantless wiretapping and spying by the NSA and the rest of the national security state.

I mean, this is not a woman who believes in the rule of law. This is not a woman who believes in the principles of the founding fathers or the U.S. Constitution. This is a woman who, to paraphrase Rand Paul in his comments back in 20, I believe 2020, this is a woman who, is motivated solely by a belief in permanent and never-ending war. And every single other issue falls to the wayside. She will flip, she will do whatever it can to promote the continuation of U.S. military dominance. If that means supporting and voting alongside Donald Trump, she'll do it. If that means opposing Donald Trump and saying he's the worst threat to the United States in history,

she'll do it. It's all in service of that overarching principle of war. And it's what makes her such a particularly more vile failure than even most other hawks and most other neoconservatives. Because even they, I mean, you can assume that, you know, Douglas Fife maybe loves his family and maybe will love his family even before Israel or defending the invasion of Iraq, maybe. But Liz Cheney, I really don't think she won't. I mean, we proved earlier she's willing to throw her sister. her under the bus to help her own career. And I think there's really nothing she won't do to further the idea that the United States needs to be in a permanent warfare state. And maybe that's the only reason she loves her father so much. He's the one person who will agree with her most of the time to get that way. Seriously, man. And it also, this whole thing just goes to show that Donald Trump, I mean, man,

Jager Hoover, eat your heart out, right? Donald Trump is the greatest sciop against liberals in America since Harry Truman convinced them to rally around nuke and Hiroshima and Nagasaki or something like that. It's just amazing how much they love the FBI and the CIA and the permanent state as it rallies to keep the intruder out and they rally with it. Well, Scott, how do Randall want to support the repeal of the espionage act? You just want to legalize espionage? Seriously.

Yeah, I guess, yeah, just like you, it's my, my slavish devotion to this war criminal, you know, supposedly. And yeah, it's, they, you know, Greenwald is, of course, the brokenest record about this, you know, sort of because it's like, it's his in-house housekeeping that like, man, this is who liberals are now. Because, you know, he never really was a communist. He was like a progressive to the left of the liberals. But he wasn't really like a radical leftist. He was just radically devoted to the Bill of Rights, unlike the rest of them. But the Bill of Rights is not a communist position. It was James Madison that wrote it.

So, yeah. But liberals are just so corrupt on so many things. And there are ancient devotions to free speech and peace and things like that. As they fall to the side, what's left except a bunch of blood-soaked Terry Trumanism, you know? And I include a link in my. article to just a little clip on Twitter of a video of Willie Geist, I believe on a, I think he's on MSNBC, just sort of opening with, so I'm getting told by all my liberal friends like, I love Dick Cheney now? What, what is going on? And that happened after Liz Cheney brought forth

one of the few people in America who will still endorse her, her father, two weeks before the primary election. What is going on is they're jerking your chain, you dummies? God. What a world. Oh, what a world indeed. When Liz Cheney brings out her father, Darth Vader, to come out and say, oh, Donald Trump is a coward, and only a coward would lie to his supporters. This is Dick Cheney saying this on camera as an endorsement to his daughter. Hey, wait, what's the date today?

the 22nd. Hang on. Cheney VFW speech 2002. August the 26th. We're four days away from the anniversary of this son of a bitch telling the worst lies he could have ever possibly told to veterans of World War II, Korea and Vietnam and Iraq War I. This is why I need your boys. This is why I need your grandson. Saddam Hussein is making. nuclear weapons he lie right to their damn faces and you know we know from like rome of the state department and other people and other lower people in the administration

just had their head spinning what saying what is he talking about yeah that's how I was just saying this information that's right yeah everybody was like where is he getting this stuff because we know what's true and we know that stuff's not true and then of course the answer was Ahmed Chalaby who'd been told you know the burn notice the famous burn notice like that movie with Brad Pitt. There had been a burn notice on Chalaby by the CIA. So the neocons and Donald Rumsfeld just picked up their support over at the Pentagon and they're funneling this stuff straight in there.

And with Israeli intelligence, helping manufacture some BS too. So here it is. Yeah, it's the 26th. Just four days from now. And I urge people to read that speech. I mean, it's just absolutely amazing. Yeah, talking to guys who fought at Normandy. and telling them right to their face.

I need your great-grandson, or I need your grandson to go and do this, to protect America from Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Yeah, really. And a lot of those kids got blown up over that. 4,500 of them, something like that. Yeah, and I can't know this for certainty, but I'm just going to go out on a limb

and bet that Liz Cheney would defend every word of that speech today, verbatim. yeah i bet she would too yeah man well uh i'll tell you what um i don't know what's gonna happen but it sure seems like don't trump is the frontrunner for the next nomination so and this is all just a personal vendetta for him there's nothing stopping him and he's you know new york times said he does have billions if not 10 billion he's got like five or six or something so if he really although you know what? He could easily spend enough money

to win his own re-election and for that matter every seat for the Republicans, you know, everyone possible anyway. He could have funded the Republicans' entire operation last time around. He didn't do that. He was probably for Sheldon Allison's money instead. Yeah, huh?

He would have had liquidate all of those nice golf resorts. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or even just one of them. You know, wasn't willing to do that. He had to Barry is ex-wife of one of them, so it's important. All right, listen, great work. I love this article.

I think it's absolutely correct as junior fellow. Jim Bovart says that this is the single best article about what a horror show, Elizabeth Cheney is. And that's a great compliment coming from Jim, and I'm really grateful for that support from him. Yeah, seriously, he's the best of this, man. And I love the picture. I don't know if you chose this.

at or not, but Dick Cheney looks like just an absolute ghost of some evil monster that finally was killed. And then the look of smug patronizing wormongerism on her face too is just perfect for...

Full credit to the great editors at Responsible Statecraft for that choice. Okay, great. Isn't it funny how people look just like how they are, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right, good times. Thank you so much, hon. I appreciate it. Thank you so much, Scott.

All right, you guys, that's Hunter DeRensis. He's at Responsible Statecraft with this one. Loser Liz Cheney, we knew ye, and that was the problem. It's right there in the show notes. The Scott Horton Show, Anti-War Radio, can be heard on KPFK, 90.7 FM in L.A. APSRadio.com, anti-war.com, Scotthorton.org, and Libertarian Institute.org.