Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 9/12/25 Jason Jones on the Reality of Bringing Aid to the People of Gaza

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

Scott brings Jason Jones of the Vulnerable People Project on the show to discuss his organization’s effort to help the civilians bearing the brunt of the Israeli government’s violence in Gaza.   Discussed on the show: The Vulnerable People Project Killing Gaza| A documentary film about life under siege | Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal Jason Jones is a film producer, author, activist, popular podcast host, and dedicated human rights worker. And he is the founder and president of The Vulnerable People Project. Subscribe to his Substack. For more on Scott's work: Check out The Libertarian Institute: https://www.libertarianinstitute.org Check out Scott's other show, Provoked, with Darryl Cooper https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show Read Scott's books: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine https://amzn.to/47jMtg7 (The audiobook of Provoked is being published in sections at https://scotthortonshow.com) Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan https://amzn.to/3HRufs0 Follow Scott on X @scotthortonshow And check out Scott's full interview archives: https://scotthorton.org/all-interviews This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Incorporated https://rrbi.co Moon Does Artisan Coffee https://scotthorton.org/coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom https://www.libertyclassroom.com/dap/a/?a=1616 and Dissident Media https://dissidentmedia.com You can also support Scott's work by making a one-time or recurring donation at https://scotthorton.org/donate/https://scotthortonshow.com or https://patreon.com/scotthortonshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, and author of Provote, how Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. Sign up for the podcast feed at Scotthorton.org or Scott Horton Show.com. I've got more than 6,000 interviews in the archive. for you there going back to 2003 and follow me on all the video sites and x at scott horton show all right y'all introducing jason jones he is with the vulnerable people project welcome the show how you're scott horton good to see you brother welcome um what is the vulnerable people

project well it's a program actually of an organization i founded in august of 2002 i'll never forget because I got my letter from another organization that was letting me at the time use their tax-exempt status as kind of a pass-through, and they gave me a plaque. And I founded Hero with its two programs, Vulnerable People Project and Movement in 2002, in anticipation of an Iraq invasion. And my hope was as someone who was very involved in the pro-life movement and very involved in the conservative movement to kind of harness conservative and pro-life sentiment to oppose the war that like so many things i've attempted in my life was an utter failure i was going to say how'd that work out for you was amazing we know what i mean we were right i guess that you did your

best this sorrowful solace we wanted to be wrong yeah but we learned a lot of lessons over the years um that have allowed us to have successes in the wake of massive national failures i wish we would have never had to have the opportunity to have those successes Okay. So, well, let's talk about that. So after the war, did you do aid in Iraq? Yeah, we did. You know, my big concern was that the fragile, when you destroy the secular equilibrium in the region, which was very fragile to begin with, that the vulnerable ethnic and religious communities would be wiped from the face of the earth. And it wasn't original, man, like you thought that, and Pat Buchanan and Pope John Paul II and others also had this obviously very rational fear, but we were told that we were cooks. And so then there were times after the invasion where there were little glimpses of hope that this might work. At least to me, maybe you saw through that.

Like in Afghanistan, I had hope where you were correct. But, you know, by 2000, well, on October 31st, 2010, the first IS attack took place in Baghdad at Our Lady of Deliverance Church. And I knew then that catastrophe was about to happen. And we began working with the Chaldean and Assyrian Christian communities in the United States and being advocating. And then in 2016, we produced a documentary for policymakers. I went to Iraq with the Peshmerga and traveled as they were battling ISIS and liberating Christian in Yazidi villages in Iraqi Kurdistan. And so, yeah, we were there the whole time. But, you know, we're not, we weren't just focused on Iraq.

Our mission, I founded the Vulnerable People Project. I had the idea for Hero as a young infantryman. And my high school girlfriend's father forced her to have an abortion when I was in basic training. And that really was my inciting incident. That rocked my world. And then just those experiences as a young infantryman on deployment, even in peacetime, really addled me with how much suffering there was in the world. And that's where I said, I want to spend the rest of my life serving the vulnerable,

advocating for the vulnerable. I had this strange idea of like a special forces A team, but instead of teaching people strategy and tactics and weapons, they would teach them how to advocate through the media, through entertainment, through government. And I had this vision as a young infantryman after the army. I went to college, went to the University of Hawaii, was blessed to be there when RJ Rummel was there. Really? Yeah, what a blessing. And my whole, I was telling my assistant who is in here with us, I've just lived kind of a charmed existence of being around greatness. We were talking about coming to see you. Rummel is the author of Demaside, for those not

familiar you can read it for free online yeah the book death by government really shaped me and then death by government death was a second book he did another book that was another book on democide he coined the term democide and um and then my faculty advisor was she's still there at the university dr kate joe who's a great libertarian uh she survived the cultural revolution was worse forced to work at a factory as a young woman in china monitoring women's menstrual cycles and we're still to this day very close friends and we're very close in college. And so that's where I just really, I was this young atheist, libertarian, anti-abortion, anti-war activist on campus. And I just said, I want to do this for the rest of my life. And there was no organization like this one. So I had to

found it. And I knew it would take a long time to kind of find my tribe and build our organization. I thought like it would take five years, you know. But I think finally after 20 years to almost 25 years, we're hitting our, you know, we're finding our people and growing in our ability to do what we aspire to do. All right. So tell us about that. Your organization is on the ground in the Gaza Strip right now. We are.

All right. So I'm sorry, first and foremost, because this is what comes first to my mind is, is there any controversy about that? I mean, we know that UNRWA got kicked out of there on mostly trumped up accusations and they brought in this, GHF project which seems to be a front for the Israelis and has scaled down their deliveries of aid to some incredible degree from really from 400 sites to four different aid sites three of the four being right on the Egyptian border is what I was told by Anthony Aguilera when I interviewed him here so where does your organization fit in there because I have to wonder

why would Netanyahu let you in there what's the deal you got to tell me the deal Yeah, what is the deal? Well, the deal is just like, first of all, what's happening, right? It's really a grift. I believe that Israel wants to make sure that all money and all the logistics companies, all the organizations, and any, all profit is going to stay in Israel. So that's why they don't want aid coming in through Jordan. They don't want aid coming in through Egypt.

It's just a grift, along with the ethnic cleansing. It's agrifting while you're ethnically cleansing. What a deal, you know. And how do we do what we do? that's a good question sometimes we don't even know i mean i went to jordan i went to egypt just on the last point because you weren't entirely clear but i think i understood what you meant was they let you in because it's a griff for them we don't we don't we don't go through israel you don't okay so you're talking about the GHF thing is the griff then yeah well and even now like the partners that we

use the logistics partners that we use the windows closing on them so then you're going through Jordan. Oh, through Jordan. We were going through Egypt, and we have relationships with a lot of... But Jordan's not contiguous with Gaza, so don't be Israel have to allow that? Yeah, they have to allow it. And so that would be the logistic companies figuring that out. You have a deal with the Jordanian regime to get the aid in there.

Yeah, I wouldn't say the regime. But I would say, how would I say it? I would say that I have a deal with the logistics company that I believe works closely with the regime in Jordan. I see. But it doesn't mean that they're kissing cousins. And the regime Jordan has gotten permission from these rallies to at least allow this much. So that's your avenue. Right.

And what we try to do. So, you know, the whole idea behind the vulnerable people project from the very beginning was to try to, they're only two. I've really been influenced by the Catholic anthropologist Renee Gerard. And I think there's really two, only two ways to manage a family or a neighborhood or a town or a country or the world. And that's in your family, the healthy and the strong. and the productive members care for those who are not healthy, who are not strong, who cannot

provide for themselves. The strong order their lives to serve the vulnerable. And or the strong live off the exploitation of the vulnerable. As a Catholic who's really been influenced by Renee Gerard, I had this vision of an organization that would model what does it look like to care for people outside of the social concern. So that's why someone who is, I'm really more of a conservative than a libertarian. I mean, my spirit animal is libertarian, you know, my soul is libertarian, but I'm really a conservative, and I'm on the right, and I've been recognized as in this new book that came out in the 50 greatest pro-life leaders in the history of the world, along with Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II. There's a chapter on me.

Yeah, what rank number did you get? They didn't rank it by number, but I'd probably be ranked last, you know. You made the cut, though. I don't even know how I made the cut, you know. I think it's just something startlingly handsome, maybe. I don't know. But I do think there is an obligation that I have to leverage whatever cloud or recognition that I have into my community to advocate for those people outside of the concern of my community.

And that's one of the reasons why the work that we do, and we've done a lot of work in Afghanistan. I'd love to talk about. We're still in Afghanistan. We're still across Central Asia. We're still in Africa. actually in a much bigger way than in those in Afghanistan and Africa than we are in Gaza. But really? But it's very important to me.

That's right. You did offer to bring me to Afghanistan that one time. Yeah, I'd love to bring you. Yeah, I'd love to bring you to Afghanistan. I think I'd probably wisely said no. No, there's a great reward. I could use that money. I got kids going into college.

No, I'm kidding. Hey, I got him, everybody. I got him. I got Scott Horton. We're getting off the plane. I'm like jumping up and down. It's like a game show. they come out with a

And I'm like It was me I'm sorry I did like a big bag was a big hit I'm sorry we're joshing around here

no listen I got you I know you I know you're a good guy I know you got great motives I just want to give you an opportunity to explain yourself to people so they understand who you are where you come from on this

but so then the real question is and what all and because I want to know about Central Asia and Africa too but nobody's got it worse than the Palestinians

yeah you're right decided you're going to stick your neck out for them and you got um you found a way to get your aid in there so can you tell us like yeah you know again a lot of what we do i didn't even want to stick my neck out for them you know i wrote an article early on called help i'm an anti-palestinian bigot and that article is completely sincere i you know i was i wrote my sincere thoughts and feelings and sort of epiphany i had about myself you know on october 7th like everyone else i was scandalized i was i was horrified in fact i have friends that um By God's grace, there were Israeli peace activists that were not there that day, and I'm very grateful for that.

But on October 7th, I was horrified. The first thing I did was I approved a request that I had been sitting on for months, and I didn't even have the money in our budget to secure vulnerable synagogues in African countries, where there were small Jewish communities, very vulnerable synagogues exposed to Islamist attacks. We already do that for Christian communities that are facing attacks from Boko Haram. so I said let's just wrap up to these synagogues and we did and we actually even gave them more security and we're still securing them to this day and doing other things to provide for their safety but it was by October 18th that it became very clear to me that this was just going to be another Israeli misadventure and it was just going to be it was going to be an ethnic cleansing it was going to be brutal within two weeks it became clear and I didn't know what involvement we

would have, but we've never actually go around looking for places to serve. We're always people requests that we help. And so we received requests within weeks to evacuate wounded pregnant women. And it was very controversial, believe it or not, amongst the advocates of the Palestinians that accused me of aiding ethnic cleansing by removing Palestinians from Gaza, something I didn't expect to be attacked for evacuating wounded pregnant women but while I was in Gaza

I'm sorry while I was in Egypt we were evacuating into Egypt at the time before the Rafa Gate was destroyed we were evacuating wounded pregnant women wounded children wounded women and as we were evacuating them I went to Cairo we set up a clandestine

television station if you go to our website Vulnerable People Project.com you can see our interviews with the women and the families that we evacuated. And as I was interviewing them, I was just charmed by them. And I was expecting to see hatred, anti-Semitism. I was expecting to see extremism. I still felt that civilians had dignity,

and I wouldn't want to see their children turn into, quote-unquote, pink mist, as the advocates of this genocide are calling for. But I still kind of held to a lot of these prejudice. It was startling, and that's when I came home and wrote this article, Help, I'm an anti-Palestinian bigot, because as I was coming into direct contact with Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, who had been brutalized, whose homes have been destroyed, one Christian woman on our website, Vulnerable People Project.com, you can see she tells the story of how not only was her family killed on a direct attack on the church, members of her family, but that IDF soldiers broke into her

house dressed up in her underwear, wrote pornographic slogans on her walls, smashed her statues of the Blessed Virgin Mary and her crucifix, wore her underwear and made videos and put it on social media. And we have that. We have the Israeli soldiers in the video as she's talking and she's expressing forgiveness for them. She says, I hope that the actions of the state of Israel don't foment you hatred, that these poor young boys are just acting out because they're poorly trained reservists thrust into an ugly position. And as she's talking, I'm like, who is this woman? Because if someone did this to my family, oh, no, no, no, no, no. And the compassion and the understanding and the maturity is she's living as a refugee

in Egypt. And I can tell you, you don't want to be a refugee in Egypt. And she was upper middle class, elegant, beautiful woman, educated her husband, very handsome, very dignified, very educated. And yet they were so kind. And then I'm like, okay, that's because they're Christians. God forgive me, people don't hate me. I'm just being transparent with you.

when I started interviewing the Muslims. The same sort of understanding and sentiment. So I was like searching, where is this radicalism? And I'm sure you can find it. And we know it's there. But obviously, you know, decades and decades of abuse and brutalization would make it pretty fertile ground to radicalize, you know, people. So, yeah, so we began with the evacuations. And then the next step was this community starving, that community is starving.

And this community doesn't have water. That community doesn't have water. And people say, how do you do it? I really always begin with a piece of paper. My assistant who's in the room can tell you. And I just write what the goal is, evacuate. We were asked by a very famous conservative commentator. I'll tell you who it is off the air.

I mean, it doesn't get much more famous than her. Her husband reached out to us and said, can you help us get this boy? His family was killed. His skull was fractured. Both his eye sockets are broken. Can you get him out of Gaza? I wrote the goal on a piece of paper.

I wrote the contacts I have that can facilitate the evacuation of the boy, Israeli, American, Palestinian, Jordanian, Egyptian, and other. And I wrote all their names on a piece of paper, and then I began putting together the steps and by God's grace. In a week, we were able to get him out of Gaza and get the boy into a hospital in Jordan. I think with everything we do, it's just project, it's planning and relationship building. I say that, you know, our organization is a lot of people like to imagine it's like Rambo. You know, we evacuated the nuns from when the war broke out in cartoon.

We evacuated nuns from Ukraine and from Afghanistan. But I say it's not Rambo. It's Rick's Cafe. I think Casablanca, it's just friends at a piano bar or at a casino getting together and saying, how do we get letters of transit to this person so they can leave the country. So you don't run arm marks? No. we don't okay no in fact i'll tell you we were we got a request two years ago and you can see the nuns

that we rescued on our website we got a request to evacuate a religious order in cartoon in the middle of the war i mean it was just brutal right both sides are lunatics and the war's breaking out and this convent stuck in the middle and uh michael hitchborn who's a kind of well-known catholic influencer reached out to me and said this friend of his supports this religious order in cartoon and they're stuck in the middle of the firefight and some of these nuns are elderly with with um uh diabetes and other mental and other health problems can you get them out of there and we so we'll we'll see what we can do and so we did we built a plan not only we get the nuns out we got um we got three no 800 Christians out of cartoon it cost us $60,000 the americ group that was also somebody solicited them to get these

nuns out called me not knowing we had already done the evacuation. Furious saying that they heard we got the contract. I'm like, what contract? I have to raise the money myself. Is there someone paying for this? I'd like that. I'd like some help. And when I, they said, we can never do it. We lack, don't have the capability that you're going to need helicopters. You're going to need to put fire on the target and this and that. And I just let him go and go and go and go. And I'm like, well, we got the sisters out. They're now safely in South Sudan. And we also got 800 other Christians into the Nuba Mountains and we did it for $60,000. Thank you very much.

So not that there's not a need for these people in different places and different times, but that's not what we do and we would hate to every be mistaken for that. And people always ask me when I go to these countries or these places. And actually on the way here, one of my friends was just like in hysterics for my security on something I'm up to. And I just said, no, I just go like with my Chicago White Sox hat on with my Bose headphones playing Bob Marley and smile. at people and waving you know when I was leaving the West Bank in January I had to get home because my son had a scouting camping trip had like 36 hours to get from the West Bank to the hill country of Texas to a scouting event or my wife would kill me you know that I need

help that I need a protection I need Merks but uh you know I was leaving right when the IDF decided to do some sort of military incursion so I had to like walk several clicks just to get past them and i just literally was playing ambushed in the night over and over on repeat by bob marley which to me is all you need to know about foreign policy can be learned by listening to bob marley's ambush in the night listen to it seven times give yourself a master's degree and you know the whalers rode in my cab one night and they were total dicks but he was long dead my name go ahead i know the family well that's that breaks my heart well well anyway i would just say as you know i just literally was i got a picture of it i took a picture as i was at the sign and i was by my

sign in the West Bank with my headphones on and my rucksack and my backpack but no we just go there you know we want to stand in solidarity with the most vulnerable people in the world we want to stand between the vulnerable and the violence it was also great when I was in the west bank to I was on Steve Bannon's the war room you know and advocating for Palestinian Christians um at a time where it was pretty brave to be able to be on Steve Bannon show and say because I do a show often And hey, Steve, you know, you do know that the Palestinian Christians are the most vulnerable ethnic and religious community on earth, right? And so that's a real privilege to be able to advocate for them in the heart of my tribe.

Yeah. All right. So that's my next question after this one, which is I want you to address the thing about removing Palestinians. Obviously, you're saving people who are in desperate need of medical care, taking them from a place where there is none to where they can get some. at the same time though the Israelis are wounding these people

by the tens of thousands just so that they can convince you to give them a ride out of there and hopefully never come back and so there is a little bit at least of a double-edged sword there right that you have to be undoubtedly right or do any of them come back

or once they're in Qatar they stay there right yeah well we've never taken anyone to Qatar our organization has not but once they're in Egypt or once are in Jordan, you know, the deal is they're there. Yeah. So we don't take anyone out that doesn't beg to be removed. Yeah.

And we do our best to support the community in there, you know, in Gaza, and we do our best to advocate for them everywhere and always. Right. And we want people to know who they are. We want people. I was just in D.C. and I was at a dinner party. And someone friend of mine that works at the White House that he was talking to his Israeli counterpart who was yelling about me saying that I'm humanized,

quote, he laughed. He goes, he put it in quotes, my friend. And he said, he said, VPP is, quote, humanizing Palestinians with their propaganda. And that's how clever I am. Yeah. That I can, I use the art of propaganda to humanize humans. Yeah. And next thing I'll be selling water is water and follow me for more tricks.

Yeah. Incredible. Okay. And look, I don't mean to be too accusatory and bringing that up. But it is. No, I want you to bring up all the hard questions. It's something that comes up when, you know, humanitarian work is part of this. I have a friend, old friend Bill Kelsey, who, you know, spent, I guess, his entire retirement.

maybe even before that, flying relief missions into places like Sudan and Afghanistan and other places. And I think he must have told me back in 2003, right, that this has been an issue with him and in the international humanitarian type community all along is that they know that they are part of the war effort, that America can't wage the war in Afghanistan that it wages if they don't have people like him to come and fly in and deliver the aid. So if you zoom all the way in, he's giving food to people who need it. You zoom all the way out. Donald Rumsfeld couldn't do the war at all if it wasn't for my buddy. I would say it's different what we're doing in Afghanistan.

So I just, yeah, I'm only bringing that up. It's one example where these people are not part of any grift or any regime. They clearly, I know this guy's a decent guy and he's simply trying to get food to hungry people. But he knows that in a way he's part of this larger system. So I just bring that. What I would say, that's why I brought that up to you about what you're helping give these people health care, but then your critics may have a point at least. Well, we have not been able to, you know, this was this evacuation we just did was rare. Like right now, most of our efforts is just getting aid in and not just aid.

I showed you a video. I don't know if you want to share the video, we just showed you. Yeah, I'll post it. I'll send it to my God. We'll post it in the show notes. So this video that we can show is we're not just trying to keep them alive, but to let them. and they're loved and give them hope. So we deliver shave ice.

You know, this week we're a Catholic organization to all the Catholics and Orthodox. We brought in birthday cakes. In fact, the first day that are, you know, we were the organization, folks, if you heard about the, and it was covered in the international media, a Catholic aid organization's warehouse in Gaza

was destroyed along with it. Two of our employees were killed and 5,000 containers of baby formula eviscerated. That was our employees. And what was that? A month ago. And we were working for a very long time. I had to go to Jordan twice.

Getting baby formula into me was very important. And to be completely transparent, even the aid that we deliver is meant to exemplify a truth. We're primarily an education organization. We want to defend the vulnerable from violence by promoting human dignity and inspiring solidarity. That's her simple mission. And so even our aid is meant to be an exemplification. and educational opportunity. And so our aid is not just aid.

I mean, we bring in shave ice. We bring in water, we bring in inflatable pools for the kids, and we bring in clowns, and we sing songs, and we do games with the orphans. And then we videotape it, and we put it out there, and we're just aggressive, trying to show people that these are children, that these are human beings. And that's our constant effort.

I know that the biggest effect that I can do for the people of Gaza is get a ceasefire today. I would rather get a ceasefire today than the war going on another month and I deliver two million meals, of course. So the most important thing I can do is advocate for a ceasefire. And I think the best thing I can do

to get us towards a ceasefire is humanized Palestinians. You know, I get trolled a lot because I always talk about what I love most about like the West Bank is the French fries. Because if people play me, why does this guy always talk about it?

But I do it intentionally. It's because you go to God, You go to the West Bank, or if you went to Gaza before this, you know, Hiroshima-like event or multiple Hiroshima-like event, you know, it was just, it was just you would feel completely at home. When you hear folks say that you're not safe in the West Bank, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. You trust me, you'd feel much safer on the West Bank than, what is it, Fifth Street over here in Austin. I walk all over the West Bank, and you don't look more out of place. I only look in place in Scandinavia, Minnesota, and Wisconsin

everywhere else in the world, I don't fit. I walk around the West Bank, nothing. Everyone's nice. Nothing's strange. No threats, no violence. I don't feel safe in Israel. People are not always nice to you in Israel. You know, you ask them, there are people who won't talk to you. There are a couple of blocks on East Fifth Street in Austin that are...

That's what I'm saying. Might actually go around, yeah. Yeah, even now. All right, so, and I appreciate that. I always try to recommend that people watch the documentary, Killing Gaza made by Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen, where a couple of nice Jewish boys go to the Gaza Strip right at the end of the 2014 war right during that.

So they're witnessed to all of this horror around them. And they're like, hi, we're American Jews. And everybody's like, hi, come on in. And just treats them perfectly well. And then they interview just, I don't know, they do 20 interviews or 50 interviews or something. And, you know, this is not selective editing or whatever. You can just tell from the way it's presented that all of these people make their case.

And none of them say anything about Jews other than possibly if they say the Jews, they just mean the Israelis on the other side of the line there. That's what they call themselves. But they don't mean it like, oh, the Jews or whatever. And then, but even then, all they're saying is, This is my land. You see this dirt. It's dirt belongs to me, dude, which you could translate into any language in the world, right? And anyone would understand.

Nobody's saying anything about, oh, yeah, Mohammed said I'm supposed to hate Jews for not believing in Muhammad or whatever. Nuh, dude. There's none of that. No, and people think we're crazy. I will tell people this thing, well, you don't know you haven't been there. I'm like, what do you mean I haven't been? I've been there a lot. And they're like, oh, well, you must have been propaganda as well, you're there. You can't win.

Like, you can't win. Dude, the fact that Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal. went around not the West Bank but the Gaza Strip and we're perfectly fine and it's not like

oh Hamas was so crafty that they let these two guys It's Pollywood They're just walking around talking to regular Joe's dude What are you gonna do? It's called killing Gaza and it's free

They made a little bit of money off it at first and then I think they got enough demand for it that they decided they wanted to make sure that it was available So anyone can watch it online

And this is from 2014 It's the same difference The same difference. I'd love you to have a friend of mine, Alice, Cassia on. If you know, Alice, she's the fitness champion, fitness model champion, Palestinian Christian from right outside of Bethlehem, who got, her home got stolen by the settlers and destroyed, and they beat her up, and she's like, she fights them, and she's kind of become an international hero. She's a good friend of mine, and so when I'm in the West Bank, we always hang out. Last time I was there, she actually isn't Israeli citizen. Palestinian, her father's not. It's this weird, strange thing that I can't even wrap my mind around how she is and her dad isn't but she is so she can travel freely and so one night she's i asked her what do you support a one state solution or two state solution she goes i support a three state solution i said what's a three state solution she said one for zionist assholes one for islamist assholes and one for the rest of us and i thought that is that is beautiful three state solution and then i kind of got to see the third state because she goes she goes jason you have to come

my friends and Haifa. So it's a long drive from the West Bank to Haifa and we drove there and I'm old. I mean, I'm old enough. I'm 53. She's young in her 20s. She's like, let's go meet my friends. So we're driving to, she takes me to a nightclub. She takes me to like a rave where I meet Israeli soldiers who are Jewish and Druze. I meet Palestinians, Israelis who are Muslim. I'm hanging out with this Palestinian hero who stands up to the settlers. They're all friends. and I'm in this like rave I'm in this weird bar like I can't even explain it it's like the size of your studio but there's a beanbag in the corner and there's just all these stoned kids dancing and I'm in the bean bag and I FaceTime my wife like what is my life I was meeting with

Christian leaders in the West Bank nine hours ago and now I'm here and I go look and there's these kids you know and there's a DJ you think you're in like Berlin or something what is going on here and uh and i'm like looking it i'm like tears are pouring down my face i'm looking at his i'm looking at jews drus muslims christians just friends and some of these are reservist soldiers that have to go fight in gaza and kill my friend's family and yet they're just beautiful people and you begin to know understand that everyone who lives there's a a victim of this. You know, the poor soldiers, I'm an infantryman. My son, my oldest son fought in Iraq and Syria, a war that I opposed. And I remember at the time saying, not thinking it was

going to be real, that, you know, my son ended up fighting in the stupid war that you guys are advocating and your boys will never serve. And sure enough, my son did serve fighting in Iraq and Syria happened to be when the U.S. and the Peshmergas were having tensions. And my son's unit was near the passion. I was with the passion. I was like texting my son, hey, don't fire on us. Oh, right. I remember that. You told me about that. What a strange world. But, you know, these IDF soldiers, I want people to understand this. Any Christian Zionist that is watching this show for notes so you can go debate your anti-war friends, I want you to know that it is you, that is you that push that young man to the brink of despair, maybe total despair,

the young Jewish man who was a reservist, home from deployment, in his apartment, months later and the pain will not go away the smell of burning flesh will not go away what he saw will not go away and he is there alone he is there alone and he hates himself and he's confused

this is war this is war they've had hundreds of suicides of and horrible and they're killing themselves in unimaginable ways the young man who set himself on fire you know and so who are the victims of this war the victim ideology kills

and it's killing Palestinians and it's killing Israelis. It's killing their heart. It's killing, even if they're not going to die. There's this young man that's going viral is a former infantryman from a family of soldiers and a community of soldiers. My friends are all soldiers. You know, I know.

I have these conversations every day with my friend. I just had a friend who just came back from trying to do some experimental treatment with psychedelics and he came back. He goes, that wasn't for me. And he explained what he saw, clearly his war trauma coming forward. And, you know, I'm a Christian, and I think PTSD and war trauma is the greatest proof of God's existence because it proves that we were created to love each other, not hurt each other.

Because I have friends who are bad dudes, special forces guys, trained killers. They come back from war. They were propagandized. They were trained. and they come back from war and these big strong men they're puppies with broken hearts

and I tell them you feel that that's because you were created to love you were not created to hurt and so this pain should be your greatest solace because it's the greatest proof to me of God's existence but yeah this is war

and I think even around the death of Charlie Kirk you hear people calling for civil war I'm like, who are these fools? Who are these fools? Do you guys know what war is? And I invite these people, like I invite you. I invite people all of the time. You want to come with me?

I go to Ukraine. I've been to the front lines in the war in Ukraine. I go to, I was in Sudan during the genocide. I was in Iraq during the war in the genocide. I invite people to come with me. Only one person ever came with me. No, two, the movie starred, Eduardo Verastig, the Mexican heart drave from Sound of Freedom.

And I produced the movie Bella with him. I'm also a film producer. and then Joshua Charles, who is Mike Pence's speechwriter, and he's become quite a famous Catholic apologist online. But those are the only, he came with me to Ukraine. You know, and he had to rush to the bomb shelters when the missiles are coming in and the drones were coming in. I'm lazy, so I found that there's something you can do

that's even better than going to the bomb shelter. It's just grabbing two pillows and putting them over your head so you don't hear the sirens. And I just figure if it's my time, it's my time. But he always would go down. He's like, why weren't you in the shelter? I'm like, I have to sleep, bro. I need my sleep.

Man, yeah, I don't think I'll come with you, man. I'll stay here and commentate. Well, we need you. I don't want you coming out. We need Scott Horton. And Scott, I just want to say this, like, in the middle of your show. From the very beginning, like, you don't know. Maybe you do know.

Like, we're in awe of you. Your fortitude. You're a prophet. you're kind you're full of empathy and yeah you're really a national treasure and no you are

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Like, what all are you able to raise? How much are you able to raise? How much food are you able to turn that into? And how many kids and others are being fed? These are really complex questions, and it's different. Like, you know, the price of my assistant, she can tell you, we're, like, always wrestling with the price of things are always in flux.

There was a time where, like, onions were going more per ounce than gold in Gaza. So I told my wife I was going to get her an onion necklace for our 20th anniversary. But now we've seen a slight dip in prices. So this week we were able to bring vegetables into different communities that were very important for us to bring those vegetables to. We brought hot meals into the churches. We do hot meals every week for the Christian communities there. It's about 1,000 Christians between all of the Christian communities there. there are two Christian communities there.

But we also have focused on different areas where we've identified famine and also where there's not access to water. We sort of, it's not very sophisticated. We're on signal groups, these signal groups with aid organizations. They'll identify a community where there's no water and our logistics partner

and for reasons that are obvious. I can't wait to tell the story of how we're doing what we're doing and it's completely. And that'll be a story. story for after the war. Yeah. But, you know, we are, a lot of people don't know how we're doing it.

Dave Smith, when he saw our banner, we had happy birthday Ron Paul, meals delivered to the orphans that week, you know, thousands of meals. I think it was 10,000 meals wrapped with happy birthday Ron Paul on it. And Dave Smith's like, this is AI. I'm like, this is not AI. I promise you. And people online used to accuse us of AI. Now we don't get that anymore.

But then they accuse us of nefarious, oh, you must be. working with, you know, we know who you're working with to get food in. Yeah, okay, yeah, I have them on, you know, we met on LinkedIn and that's how we communicate. Like, what do you think? No, we, we go meet very respected logistics partners of powerful, you know, you know, you can figure it out. And then we built relationships with them, so they prioritize our work, but we really do focus on water now. So we're doing, bringing in a lot of water and as much food as we can. This week we were able to get vegetables and we were able to hit several camps and several neighborhoods. We have what are called Child Day, Children's Events. And that's

the video I sent you. Those are of our Children's Day events where we go into the different camps with clowns and teachers and we're singing in games. And this week, we're actually having them. These guys are really unbelievable, our partners on the ground. This week, to get food into the churches, Scott, this week to get food into the churches, it was so dangerous that they decided only two would go and two would stay back because they knew they were going to die. They didn't die, but they just knew they were going to die. And they said, but we want to, we really wanted to get this food.

And it wasn't just food. We had food, ice season cake for Mary's birthday. And these Muslim men risked their life, assume they were going to die to deliver Christians' food to celebrate Mary's birthday. To me, this is the beautiful story. These, unfortunately, the most beautiful stories come out of these great tragedies. I can't wait to tell who our partners are, who these heroes are, and share them with the world

and address the calumny and the traction that lurks. And they'll just feel ridiculous because it's, you know, it's not us. It's our partners that are the heroes. Oh, but with our partners on the ground, I told them I want to bring in ice cream trucks. With my team, I always say, when we go into a war zone, we don't, you know, a lot of these eight organizations, These aid workers will come in looking like soldiers. They dress like soldiers. They wear their tactical watches and their ray bands.

I'm like, no, I'm going to, no, we want to go in like the ice cream man. That's just what I've always said for years. When we go into a war-torn area, we want to go in there like the ice cream, man. We want to bring joy. And now you're saying you want to do that literally. We're literally going to do it. We're actually sourcing ice cream trucks right now for when there's a ceasefire. But then my partners are like, look, let's not wait until a ceasefire.

We can put together with the bicycles and all like the. you know there's just a it's just a it's like a big junkyard that just the whole gaza strip has just been reduced to rubble they've been scavenging to make like trikes like tricycles with like ice boxes on the front and they're just going to drive around gaza giving out ice pops it's something very cheap to do you just need food and sugar water you know and flavoring and color and it's very cheap for us to do but as you can see in the video i showed you these kids go nuts it goes nuts and so What we're going to do is Andrew Breitbart was one of my best friends

and we always used to talk about New Wave, our shared love of New Wave and punk and the specials who you were playing when I walked in your office today. I said, we're just going to play 80s New Wave blasting from our ice cream trucks. You know, 100% of these kids have PTSD, duh.

That was social distortion, by the way. Oh, social distortion, you're right. You're right, you're sorry, sorry, sorry. 80% of the kids under 18, they're bedwetters. It's a war zone. Kids are losing their hair from stress because of the constant presence of drones and the buzzing above. We've seen this in Pakistan in our drone war.

So we just really, I'm a father. I became a dad at 18. I have six brothers and sisters. I was a teen parent myself. My mother was a teen parent. I was the youngest. And no, we're not Mormons. We were just, you know, poor people from the south side of Chicago.

That's how we do it. And that's why I dropped out of high school and joined the army the day I turned 17. and I ended up having my son at 18. So my youngest son is two years apart from my youngest brother and my oldest grandchild is two years apart from my youngest son. So I have been changing diapers since I was two.

And I will be changing diapers till the day I die. And I see the world through the eyes of a father. And I run VPP that way. so when we're operating in an area like we're serving children the way a father would serve even with the Yazidis who have a very good relationship with the horrible victims of our war in Iraq and the consequences of that war I have a sister that my assistant Ritha here just got to go to her whole family died in the war and I found out she's you

know plucking chickens now and living in Nebraska and she bought herself a little house Can you believe this? And I find out because she has so little money, she had a house with what did she have? Or nothing, not a shower curtain, like one fork, one plate, one spoon. I told her when I met her in Iraq after she was rescued, and I heard what happened to her and her family. I said, I'm your brother and I'm your father.

Whatever you would ask your brother or father for, you're going to ask me for. Well, she didn't ask me. When I found out my assistant and my daughter, to Nebraska and they fully furnished her house and now she has a beautiful home did we get her vinyl record player yet we're going to do we're big into vinyl and VPP it's it's how we treat our PTSD is fair enough yeah I wanted to ask about the water when I interviewed Anthony Aguilar I'm sorry I think I said Aguilera earlier I think it's Aguilar what a brave man too yeah when he said that the group that

he worked for they said you know bringing the water in costs too much it's cheap and so what it was like the weight in the trucks compared to the food um so added to their fuel costs or whatever so he said they weren't getting water in and he wondered how anyone was getting any drinking water you got two million people there they got to drink somehow what in the hell and then so and i don't know how much you can pump in but without an actual pipe full of water coming no we bring in water trucks and you're right it's i mean it's diesel this is all logistics like i wish i was an infantryman i wish i'd have been in a logistics officer you know everything we do is logistics and fundraising like how many is there a way that you can calculate like how many people per day can drink from the water that you're

able to provide can you text um nagy are you on with i mean a nasor here um yeah we can get that to you by the end of the show like we can give you all the numbers i have them actually i should have them off the top of my head, but I don't. But yeah, waters, for example, I mean, I buy, I buy trucks. I think it's $4,000 a truck. I don't know off the top of my head how much it is to deliver a truck of water. But I'll tell you, she witnesses that I emptied our, I mean, I emptied our bank account completely last two weeks ago, was it? I just said, because our logistics guy was like, we can get vegetables, we can get rice, we can get this, we can get that, we can get all this water. What do you want to do? What can you afford? I said, let's do it all. I said, let's do it

I said, full disclosure, I don't have any of that money yet, because I just wired all the money for what we did last month. I said, but I'll do my best. He goes, I trust you, brother. I'll give you till the end of time to pay. And I said, okay, on that note, let's do it. And so just today, I can show you, I get my daily updates of water trucks going in. Every day we got water trucks going in, two, three, four, five water trucks. And, you know, people will say, someone posts it on Facebook.

Jason Jones said, I never said. I quoted the people who know. 5,000 people in Gaza meet the definition of starvation. How are they, why aren't they all dead? Well, that's not how starvation works. Like you can, the young, the old, and the sick will die. And other people will just remain in a state of starvation for a very long time. But if they're not getting water, they're dead.

and because we are a small NGO and we don't have all the money in the world we don't have all the money in the world it's um yeah I'm sorry you could look in there for my phone somewhere in there oh it's dead I'll get you all those numbers it's fine I'll get you all those numbers but I wish I had them on the top of my head I just meant like ballpark you know what I mean like there's two million people

there obviously you're doing your very best but that can yeah I think it's fourth enough right yeah no well no and here's the point And I'd say we're primarily an educational organization. Nothing is enough. I got to tell you, like, nothing is enough. Like, I couldn't, what can you do for two million people? What can UNRUD do? What can anyone do?

I mean, it's two million people. Can I address the stolen trucks thing? Because maybe people are thinking, like, about eight. We just, for the first time ever, in two years, had trucks stolen. And they stole all our food. They beat up our guys, not Israel, but Palestinians in Gaza, did the store guys. First time yet.

But it happened. The narrative is that Hamas steals all the aid, and that's why any Palestinian is going without. And so I want to address that. So if, I know the numbers on this because I broke it down, me and my, you know, my researcher, it would be if they were only receiving it. So Israel says Hamas is stealing 75% of the casualties and they're, I'm sorry, 75% of the calories, and they're receiving 2,200 calories a day on average. That's insane.

they're not stealing 75% of calories and they're not eating 2,000 calories a day but let's just say they're eating 1,000 calories a day and that's hunger okay so they're in a state of hunger okay they're in hunger state of hunger and then Hamas is stealing 25% of the calorie and I wrote a substack on this at my my Jason Jones show substack and I documented all that would be 150 container trucks a day I'm sorry a month 150 container trucks a month that would be the equivalent of the entire black market per month of Somalia, Sudan, and Syria combined. That Hamas would be running. They would need men, commandeer the trucks, move the trucks, hide the trucks, and guard the loot,

distribute the loot. While fighting one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world with the most sophisticated, they have drones and satellite imagery, where are these 150 trucks a month go? Where are they? Where's this food going? What are they doing with this? Who's selling it to the people in Gaza? How much money do these people have?

That means a lot of food is going to waste. Whatever you want to say about Hamas, they're purportedly a popular political movement. Of course, all of my partners and friends in Gaza have been in Hamas prisons. But it's impossible. They're stealing food. Is Hamas stealing food? Yes. Or gang stealing food, yes.

Is it impacting the caloric intake and hunger in Gaza, not at all? Now, it's the blockade. It makes sense that they eat first. Right? The armed fighters, they eat. They're going to eat. Right. But that doesn't mean that they are making sure nobody else does. Right. Like, that's what the Israelis are trying to say, right? Are there grifters and thieves and gangs? Yes. Yes. Is Hamas taking food? Yes. Are there grifters in Gaza? Yes. Are there thieves? Yes. Are there gangs? Yes. Are there gangs? Is there any indication that? No, they were just brutal gags. He's just brutal thugs. And there could be speculation on where those thugs came from who armed them. and all of that, I'm not going to speculate. Obviously, criminals are going to thrive in a state of total chaos like this. Exactly, and that's why a political, that's why when you're invading a country,

you do have a responsibility for establishing order as soon as possible, because this chaos is going to happen. Yeah. All right, well, I mean, I don't know. It seems apparent to me, but what do I know? You've been around. Is this the worst thing going on in the world right now? It's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

I mean, in all of my work, I've had heartbreaking work. I mean, we're still evacuating Afghans, our Afghan allies and religious minorities from Afghanistan. We have a network of safe houses. That was crushing to me those weeks and months, maybe the first year and a half, but that prepared me for this. But to see a live stream genocide, to see American politicians saying things like nuke Gaza, starve Gaza, flattened Gaza, the congressman finds that drop atomic bombs in Gaza. A prominent conservative leader who I looked up to was someone I greatly admired

went on one of these fam trips with the state of Israel sponsors with conservative leaders. And he just came back a couple weeks ago and he called me, says, I have some questions for you. I said, sure, any questions, brother? And he started like spouting. I said, is this questions or a lecture? I said, ask me a question.

He goes, well, but you need to know this first. I said, brother, you just took a two week or one week propaganda tour. I don't need you for that. I know that. I used to believe that, okay? Ask me a question. And it ended with him saying to me,

actually texting me, turn all of Gaza into pink mist. That's the hard part for me. The hard part for me is to see people in my community, my tribe, my friends, pro-life activists, pro-life leaders,

religious leaders, that advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide aren't they afraid of Jesus I think they don't believe in Jesus I don't I don't think you know when I was an atheist

I mean you're talking about leaders in the Christian community yeah I would well quote well you know I think in any community if you're uh you want power you know it's easy to figure out how to get power In fact, as a young atheist, I wanted influence and I had mapped into my plan a fake conversion to Episcopalian after graduate school. That was a weird plan. But I thought if I became an Episcopalian, I wouldn't have to be overtly religious,

but I could belong to a community, and they seemed like good-looking, proper people to hang out with on Sundays. And so I, you know, but as an atheist, when I finally began to study revealed religions, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, what really attracted? me to Christianity was the idea of a god that stood with the outcast, a god that kissed lepers, a god that knelt down next to a woman caught in the act of adultery. Imagine in the Middle East 2,000 years ago kneeling down next to a woman about to be stoned, caught in the act of adultery. I mean, that was startling to me. And I was an Einrand objectivist. I was a militant Randian. And I was raised in a really anti-Christian home. My high school girlfriend's father

who forced her to have the abortion when I was in basic training, which was sort of my inciting incident, was a prominent Christian leader, Catholic leader in Chicago. So I just thought Christians. My grandfather was a Scientologist, so all that comes with that, I would kind of get his perspective on Christianity and Catholicism. And, but I became a Randian. But what really startled me when I read the Gospels with a really open mind was this idea of a God that stood with the outcast. And I remember at the time thinking, I don't know if this is true, but wouldn't it be wonderful if it was true? And then I started reading more and I read the church fathers and praying and then I assented to belief. But my assistant who's sitting next to

who's Muslim and we often talk about religion and what if aliens are real or what if this Hinduism is real or what if that's real I said well whatever the case may be I want to stand with the outcast because I'm a loser I see I'm a loser with high self-esteem no failure will make me stop feeling like a loser I'm sorry no failure will undermine my self-confidence no success will make me stop feeling like a loser and I think that's where God wants us that's where I I am. That's the one place where God wants me. I am. I mean, I'm a wreck. But I do, if you're a Christian, and you say turn any community into pink mist, you need to check yourself, brother. Because our religion has no other. We're called to love our enemy. And turning women and children into pink mist is not loving your enemy. Now, you may have to defend your family from an enemy. That's a tragedy. Can I share with you what my grandpa told me on his deathbed?

My grandfather, who I didn't even know, I'm my dad's father, my mom's father was Scientologist. My dad's father never knew he was Catholic until he, on his deathbed. We all find Jesus on her deathbed. He had his rosary and I was crying. We had to rush from Chicago to Mountain Home, Arkansas. We're racing to Arkansas where working class people from Chicago go to die is Arkansas. And I go in there with my grandfather, and I'm crying. And my grandfather said, don't cry for me.

You know, cry for those. If you need to cry, cry for those young. I had a beautiful life. Cry for all the young boys that I saw who died. And I said, I was trained, never to talk to my grandfather about the Korean War. The one time my dad hit me was when I accidentally MASH came on. I go, Grandpa, do you know this is about the Korean War, not Vietnam? Because I always thought it was about Vietnam.

When I figured I was about Korea, I just flirted it. And my dad's hand just reflexively, pown, he never brought up the Korean War. He was in both. So I said, oh, all those boys, like I was trained, all those boys that died in World War II, Grandpa, all those American boys you saw die in World War II grandpa, like tears were coming down in his eyes, and he said, no.

He said, all those Chinese boys that I saw die, so many. We had to push them over. My grandpa was just like looking. We would have to push them over so that we could shoot the ones coming at us. And if we didn't kill them, they would kill us. But they were just boys. They didn't even have weapons. He said, if you're going to cry, cry for them.

Now, my grandfather was 6'5. Product of the Depression. This guy was a man. He, hard drinking, six, five. You got in a fight, what the hell's angels in his 60s got, like, his back broke. He lost that fight and walked with a king ever since. He lived in bars. He drank.

Big and strong. Never mean to me, but quiet. I didn't have a lot of conversations with my grandpa. He'd go in the garage, play his transistor radio, listen to Lawrence Welk and fiddle with his tool set, you know, his tools. And tinker around the house or the garden. I would just trail around behind him. You'd have a lot of in-depth conversation. just be by him the tool and die maker at ford but at his deathbed he was thinking about chinese boys

and you know what that means a lot to me is my wife's family fled Mao and her dad came to New York her mom's family fled to Hong Kong her mom came miss Hong Kong and a model her father was a big movie producer and they met at a party where Bruce Lee was actually at the party how what what crazy story is that and uh and but my grandpa never knew he could have never imagined in 1987 16 year old blonde hair blue-eyed grandson from chicago that all of his descendants from now until the end of time will be chinese he never knew that but here's a man that was born in the early 20th century who killed chinese boys who cried for chinese boys that's war and that's why I'm grateful for your audience and for you because you guys I know

there's a lot of veterans in your community there's a lot of you didn't need to experience war to know the war sucks imagine that you know you just knew it you just figured it out without having to do it yeah and so we're just grateful for you and that's what we do at VPP I say that what is my job now I kind of feel like I'm a I'm a trust fund baby son you know my dad uh I this is I'll give you this analogy. My job is like my brother is a, is a paint salesman. He travels around the country, makes good living, six figures, high six figures, selling paint all over the country, and he goes to Applebee's and different,

and he knocks up girls, paying for abortions and abandoned women and children all over the country, and my job is to sort of kind of go around and clean up the mess. A lot of what VPP does is in the wake of our catastrophes, wars that you opposed. work that we shouldn't have to be doing and uh that's that's sad you know it's sad that at the end of the day and we're not doing much the end of the day we're doing nothing that means a lot to the few hundreds or thousands of people we touch but these are seas of tens and hundreds of millions of people and so i'm not naive to think that we're doing any great work well these things are relative you know what i mean you've you've certainly done your your share of

uh uh turning history in your own way and as you say certainly for a lot of individual people and especially in the most desperate circumstances so uh thank you for coming by oh brother anytime you want me to come to hang out with you i'm coming to hang out with you yeah um good um the vulnerable People Project, is that the website? Vulnerable Peopleproject.com. And I just, if people, if you want to go and look at what we do, I'm really proud of what our team accomplishes. And you can see our work in Afghanistan.

We have a coal for Christmas. Every winter, we distribute thousands of tons of coal and food to the widows and orphans of our Afghan allies who are killed in action and also to religious minorities. In Nigeria, we provide security for Christian and other communities facing Islamist attacks. in Afghanistan, not only we have our safe houses and neighboring countries, but we actually do provide security and have a partnership with the only girls school, high school left in Kabul. And we have a program called Flight to Freedom where we went Afghan girls, um, get accepted to college and they, um, get their visas that we pay for their flights because sometimes they're

given these golden opportunities for education and they they live in very remote villages where a plane ticket would be several years income for their family so for us we we it's a great privilege for us to we also fly and wounded women you know there were these whenever recently last year last December was Ritha was kind of thrown into the fire she just came on board and there was a girl's school bombed by ISIS and we flew the girls to hospitals and we flew them to Canada, and we sent them to go see at the Royal Theater, the Nutcracker. And just little beautiful things like this. We just try to bring beauty and joy into a dark world to communities outside of social

concern, to teach, just simply to show, like, just through actions, this is how you should treat the outcast. This is how you should treat the vulnerable. You should serve them. we see basically we're the trump hotel we're the concierge desk at the trump hotel and the people we serve are the guests and that's how we try to treat them thank you jason thanks brother thanks for listening to scott horton show which can be heard on a ps radio news at scott horton dot org scott horton show dot com and the libertarian institute

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