Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 9/18/24 Max Blumenthal on the Second Trump Assassination Attempt

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Scott brings Max Blumenthal back on the show to discuss everything he’s learned about the second would-be Trump assassin, Ryan Routh. Blumenthal lays out Routh’s extensive criminal background and explains all the strange details about his activities in Ukraine. Discussed on the show: “Alleged would-be Trump assassin recruited for Ukraine’s International Legion” (The Grayzone) The Management of Savagery by Max Blumenthal Pulse: The Untold Story by Trevor Aaronson Kamala launches belligerent new Cold War ad blitz Max Blumenthal is a senior editor of the Grayzone Project and the author Goliath, Republican Gomorrah and The 51 Day War. Follow him on Twitter @MaxBlumenthal. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, author of the book, Fool's Aaron, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and The Brand New, Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2004. almost all on foreign policy and all available for you at scothorton dot for you can sign up the podcast feed there and the full interview archive is also available at youtube.com slash scott horton's show all right you guys on the line again i've got the great max bloominthal from the gray zone he wrote great books about israel and about the terror war check him out on amazon there welcome back to the show how you doing dude doing well good to be back uh great happy to have you here and i'm also happy to be off twitter but that also means that i'm basically walking around with one eye closed and i do not have my thumb on the

pulse of all the latest breaking crazy things which is a real detriment in this line of work but thank goodness i know that you are there and not just observing but also uh out ahead of the pack on the story of this kook who tried to kill Trump the other day and I know that you got your hands on his ebook and have done all this other research so I'm just hoping you can fill us in on

who is this nut and what the hell is going on with him trying to kill the Republican Party presidential candidate well by this point all the work I've done has made its way into mainstream media but in probably sanitized form and I was watching CNN

like some of the Sunday talk shows not Sunday talk shows just some of the like you know evening talk shows and the pundits are still saying well we just can't be sure what his political views were it just seems like he was just some crazy guy and yes he was a mentally disturbed character his name is Ryan Routh and he had 74 arrests or I mean just think of that he had 74 arrests three or four of which were for possessing of a weapon of mass destruction, which could include an assault rifle. That's weird, though, isn't it? Like, to me, that just means biological chemical or nukes, you know?

Leave it at that. But go ahead. Yeah, I mean, I don't think he actually had yellow cake. But he was, in 2002, held a standoff with the police where he barricaded himself in a building with an assault weapon. this is clearly like a criminal class drifter someone who should have been monitored if he were going to a place i don't know like a front line conflict zone where the u.s was heavily involved and then he was going to set up a presence very publicly and that's what he proceeded to do

after Ukraine went to war with Russia in 2022, he shows up in Kiev in the middle of Maidan Square with a giant sign declaring that he is a recruiter for the International Legion and displaying flags of every country that supports Ukraine and proceeds making contacts with all sorts of mercenaries, criminals, killers like him, drifters like himself, and griff. like MSNBC national security hack Malcolm Nance. And he delivers interviews to the New York Times about his efforts, tells Semaphore, this Beltway newsletter, that he's seeking to bring Afghan vets, veterans of the Afghan army set up by the United States, who he said had been abandoned, into Ukraine on illegal passports

through Pakistan and other third-party countries. And he's boasting about his ability to do all this. And no one seems to be stopping him. He's able to go back and forth to Washington. He goes on lobbying trips. He meets with the Helsinki Commission, which is a U.S.-backed commission, an anti-Russian government commission that sort of seeks ideas on taking on Russia. And he finds his way, finds enough time to place a 291-page manifesto.

on Amazon outlining his views, which seem to be all over the place, except if you know how neocons think, he's echoing a lot of the neo-conservative thinking and the anti-Russian thinking in Washington and wishing that he can, in his words, burn down the Kremlin. He calls for the assassination of Vladimir Putin in order to destroy Russia and calls for the United States to instigate, in his words, World War III with Russia, to push Russia towards nuclear warfare with a first strike on Moscow. He also fantasized about assassinating Donald Trump, weirdly for Trump's abandonment of the Iran deal, but he also hates Trump for January 6th and all sorts of other reasons. He's able to articulate his views over the course of 291

rambling pages. And so, you know, the writing is rambling, but his views are fairly coherent. And they echo the thinking of people like John Bolton and other hardliners in Washington. So you have a very suspicious character here. Once again, and he's someone who had the CIA apparently watching him. The FBI had gotten bulletin. about him twice, including for illegal handgun possession. He was flagged by other volunteers in Ukraine as a dangerous individual to the U.S.

federal authorities, but he's able to operate freely to return to the United States and to get three to 500 yards from former President Donald Trump at Trump's personal golf course with a AK-47-style rifle and a sniper scope, posting himself up at a hole in the fence at the golf course, waiting over 12 hours for Trump to appear, and knowing that Donald Trump would be there despite this visit, last-minute visit to the golf course, being not on Trump's schedule. So how did he know Trump was there? was he did he get it from one of his media buddies that he made back in kiev did he get the schedule from an inside source in the trump campaign inside trump's inner circle which would be pretty

disturbing what was his true relationship between ryan ralph and the fbi i did he have uh fbi agent in his ear grooming him and pushing him as we saw the fbi do with so many disturbed Muslim American men during the war on terror, pushing them into controlled terror plots. Was that FBI agent pro-Trump or anti-Trump? We don't know. We don't have any evidence there yet. We don't know what he's telling his interrogators. We don't know if they will tell us.

What we do know is that this is an Oswaldian situation where you have a figure who is at least a Jason. to U.S. intelligence and federal law enforcement and all sorts of shady characters that were passing through Ukraine in this petri dish of extremism and violence. And he was certainly radicalized while in Ukraine and developed strong anti-Russian tendencies that apparently translated into a desire to assassinate

Donald Trump, this should be a much bigger scandal, but to tell the true story means, you know, for the mainstream media, the corporate media, it would mean that they would have to actually start to examine some of the dangers of U.S. policy in Ukraine. And this is something we've been warning about constantly at the Great Zone, writing about constantly examining how white supremacists and various extremists wanted a wanted murderer who murdered a couple in Florida had been flocking to Kiev and fighting with the Ukrainian army alongside the Ukrainian army and conducting interviews on Fox News and other networks and how there were bulletins that the DHS was keeping secret about the fear of the U.S.

federal authorities, security services, about the return of these individuals. We'd done that reporting at the gray zone. And it was always dismissed as Kremlin propaganda. So here we are at a point where you now have the Russian president, sorry, prime minister, Demetri Medvedev, wondering if the Ukrainian government actually hired Ryan Routh to kill Donald Trump. Is that just Kremlin propaganda? No, I think it's actually a fair question. And we don't know the answer to any of these questions, but all of these questions are salient.

And then just finally, it is, there is no evidence that the first assassination attempt against Donald Trump by this lone wolf who young person who had no political leaning that we can discern or social media footprint, almost unlike almost every one of his generation, that he was put up to it. by some quote unquote deep state actor. And we don't have the evidence for Ralph, although his ideological guidelines seem pretty distinct and clear. In closing, you can forgive people for being conspiratorial about this because it's not just one, but two assassination attempts.

And they both occur after the lawfare campaigns against Donald Trump to wrap him up in the courts fail to stop him from potentially becoming president November so you know I think all the cards are on the table now yeah listen I think that's fair after the first one uh I was joking with a friend of mine that you know this guy is a lone kook no apparent ties to anyone I'm like I guess any jerk with a rifle can do something horrible you know so doesn't seem to be the thing but then if you go back to the 60s that this was the same story about that they said about the guy

that shot Jack Kennedy had said that what if they said about this guy in Pennsylvania that he had been stationed at a top secret YouTube base in Japan and then had defected to Russia and then had come back and lived in Cuba and then there was a double of him

in Mexico City and he's representing the communist but hanging out with right wingers and all of this you would wonder whether he was just as disconnected from power as this goofball in Pennsylvania. Now, just what, eight weeks later or seven weeks later or something, somebody else takes a shot and he's Oswaldian, as you said, he's going to Ukraine and participating in this

stuff. It doesn't look like he was at any top secret YouTube base, but he was wrapped up in very anti-Trump politics here and with, potentially with powerful players. And I wanted to go back to something you said, and I appreciate the way you don't speculate. You just ask questions. in straight, you know, English language there without presuming anything and all of that. But I wanted to elaborate on one point that you said, as I did read this in the New York Times, that according to them, one of the people who noticed this guy in Ukraine and did not like him and didn't seem to be running him was a CIA officer. And she said, I guess, believably, that when she got home, she reported this guy to,

whoever else customs and whoever and said this guy's dangerous keep an eye on him he's a real kook and this and that and so it would be fair to speculate if one were a host not a journalist that the FBI might have taken an interest in him after that right there are multiple people who said so but this one was a CIA officer according to her story so it would only make sense that the FBI would have interviewed him and begun some type of relationship with him maybe infiltrated and informant into his life or some kind of thing all i'm saying is that those are fair questions um yeah you know they clearly are just because of the high level of the person the importance of the person who had reported him when she came home and that just seemed you know

notable to me um and then so but we don't have in in any of the major press they're not addressing this at all Whether this guy was on the FBI's radar in any way or what are they saying about it? I mean, the FBI said that they had an investigation into him or they had a report about him in 2019 about him possessing an illegal weapon. But they didn't have any way of turning that into a criminal investigation. But they say nothing about since his time in Ukraine. Nothing. And an FBI spokesman has said that in so many words that events overseas could increase risk to presidential candidates. So at the very least, they're acknowledging a certain level of blowback for U.S. foreign policy and directly connecting it to this case.

I mean, this is clearly a case of blowback. It's also a case of, I mean, you know, they say, turn down the rhetoric and, you know, the rhetoric is too hot right now, but they won't say what rhetoric could have possibly instigated or triggered a figure like Ryan Ralph. And it's all the rhetoric about how Donald Trump is going to come into office and shut down the Ukraine proxy war by ending or severely limiting U.S. military aid to Ukraine. He's going to abandon Ukraine or as David Mier. the ABC moderator in the debate, the debate was asking Trump, he's not going to let Ukraine win. He doesn't want Ukraine to win. All these childish conceptions of the war being put forward and that the United States now has a short window in which it can provide Ukraine with the ability to use storm shadow missiles and other long-range guided missiles to strike Ukraine, to strike

Moscow, to strike oil in refineries in and around Moscow, to strike military bases deep in Russia, and to escalate the war. It has to be done because Trump's coming in. So the logical conclusion you can draw if you're someone who has the propensity to kill and believes these things is, look, if we just get Donald Trump out of the way, Ukraine will win. And it needs to win for civilization to win, which is the same messaging that Joe Biden has been sending. So that's what I think inspired Ryan Routh. I don't see what else could have driven him when you read, as I did, in almost one sitting, his manifesto, he says it over and over again that that is what he believes.

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He debunks their headline and says that actually, yeah, like he's using the exact words they use, in fact. He tweeted, democracy is on the ballot. That's a Kamala Harris slogan. We can't read that tweet, though, now. I mean, you can find screenshots of it because his Twitter account and his Facebook account and his Instagram account where he lays out his views very clearly, along with his history, has been nuked because, I, you know. I guess DHS came in and told, or the FBI came in and told the owners of these social media platforms, including the free speech, Elon Musk, that they had to take it down. So they're erasing history in the eyes of the public and depriving us of the ability to do

what I guess you could call crowdsourced research. Right. Yeah, it's so unfair. You know, I got another example of this was, I'm sorry, man, forgive me. I'm almost certain it was the Corpus Christi attack. but it could have been, no, it was Pensacola. It was like a Saudi AQAP type in Pensacola who shot up a base, a military base. And the guy had posted his whole manifesto on Twitter.

And the New York Post had the foresight to get the archive of it made, you know, to get the screenshot of it at archive.is. So that they linked to it in their article. And of course, they highlighted the Islamist mumbo-jumbo and completely ignored the part where he explained very clearly that this was blowback, backdraft terrorism from specific violent political actions the U.S. government had taken in the region, so to speak. And then, so I found their archive thing, and I wrote an article about it and quoted the whole thing. And you can't find that anywhere else on the entire internet. And it is nowhere else that has that. Same with the Pulse nightclub shooter.

I mean, there's so much intrigue surrounding that. I got to delve deeply into that through my book with the management of savagery. This Muslim Afghan-American shooter, Omar Mateen shot up a gay nightclub that was mostly Puerto Rican in Orlando, mass casualty event, horrific killing. And the media decided to go with Omar Mateen is a closet homosexual and without any evidence. He was a repressed Muslim homosexual and that's why he did it without any evidence. It turns out when you listen to the standoff call between Mateen and a hostage negotiator, he's explaining exactly why he did it.

He did it because he was radicalized by the dirty war in Syria, which the CIA was sponsoring, and he was a supporter of ISIS, and his friend was one of the first suicide bombers to carry out an attack on the Syrian army that the U.S. was trying to take out in Aleppo, and he said that he wanted to be next to do his thing. And he believed wrongly that the U.S. was against ISIS because they were carrying out airstrikes on some ISIS targets when the U.S. was cynically using ISIS to weaken the Syrian government. But this was blowback. Again, a clear case of blowback. And the U.S. media refused to tell that story. And then you have all of the school shootings in which the shooter,

this has happened multiple times in the last two years. The shooter is trans. So there's apparently a fear that if the manifestos of those shooters get out, and this really gets right-winger's going somewhat justifiably, is that it will inspire anti-trans violence and anti-trans bigotry, and so the manifestos are concealed from the public. And this is, to me, it's just such an abuse of history, of the facts, and a dereliction of duty by journalists to fail to demand these manifestos to inform the public on what the most.

of these characters was. I mean, in this case, it's much more political than someone who's mentally disturbed, who wants to make a gender transition. It's about U.S. foreign policy and how it's harming us at home, something that's not supposed to happen because the United States is geographically

so far away from all of the killing fields we create around the world, and it's just Slavic men who are supposed to do the dying, and it can't possibly affect our leaders. It can't come home. come home. Um, so the media right now is engaged clearly in a cover up with a bunch of limited hangouts about how this is just about angry rhetoric on both sides. Yeah. Well, and also, I mean, who knows what he saw over there. I saw, you know, one report that said that, uh, what he had

claimed that he had fought there, but nothing else confirmed that. And then, but I guess I saw one thing that said that he had I think it was the post that said nah I take that back I'm sorry but it was a credible report from before this well he said he was too old to be exceeded in recruiting one guy that was the most credit that they gave him for actual participation I guess is that right you know well I would just say if anyone wants to you know do some reporting everyone's always asking me like max how do I do journalism and this and that like young people ask that we just pick up the phone and make calls and ask questions and Ryan Routh on his on a web page he set up called the Taiwan International Legion you can find it right now if you Google it

listed all his contacts and they're and put their phone numbers down their numbers are there and some of these contacts would be like so-and-so from Morocco so-and-so from Syria criminal Mike from Krakow I mean who are these people And what did they do and how did they get to Ukraine? I haven't seen any journalists try to put that together. I'm a little bit too hard-pressed right now to produce journalism on all sorts of topics because I'm the editor of the gray zone to dig into it. But it's all there.

It's all sitting there. And there's a story to tell. Again, it's Oswaldian. And I think many different images of one person will emerge that might, contradict one another, but they all exist within the parallax view established by the U.S. national security state in Kiev. Hey, there's a good plug for a good podcast. Parallax views.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there should be a series on this guy. If only right wingers were into that kind of NPR style podcast, like that voice, he was there in Kiev. no idea where he was well you know I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet but as long as we're on this topic these many cross-referenced topics Trevor Aronson who had published the book first of Mother Jones article and then the book the terror factory about the FBI entrapping Muslims more than 300 of them during especially the Bush years but the Obama years too

there's some real terrorist attacks and attempted ones mixed in there but a hell of a lot of frame-ups. He actually has done a multi-part podcast all about Omar Mateen and the Pulse Nightclub. And he was nice enough to send me the transcripts of it all, but I still haven't had a chance to look at it yet. But I hope to interview him about that. And I just know him to be a great journalist. So I'm sure that's good. And for people who like podcasts, I recommend that. Omar Mateen's father is a confirmed FBI informant, Sadiqe Matine. Yeah. And he somehow appeared behind Hillary Clinton after the Pulse nightclub shooting at one of her rallies he was strategically somehow positioned right in the camera right behind her and his sign said something like

Hillary for national security it was like obviously a put some someone put him up to this and he delivered an in an interview afterwards declaring that Hillary Clinton will protect national security and that's why he's supporting her like what a weird how much more intrigue how many more layers of intrigue can we get here yeah that is strange and I would point out I think Glenn Greenwald has done great reporting about this back at the intercept if people want to search that up to a lot of this came out at the trial of his wife at where it came out that man this guy wasn't gay at all it had nothing to do with this at all and even that targeting the nightclub had nothing to do with it being a gay nightclub it was just that his first target was

Disney World, but he decided that they had way too much security there to try to get through. And so instead, he would go to the first nightclub that came up when he Googled nightclub Orlando. And the first thing that came up was the Pulse Nightclub. And then there was even, I don't know the source anymore, but I believe it was testimony from that trial that said that when he got there, one of the first things he said was, where are all the girls? So I had nothing to do. And you think about, you'd have to remember it and live through it. and paid attention at the time. But the level of BS in the media

about how gay this guy was and how that was his motive was that he hated himself and he hated all other gay people because Mohammed hates gay people and so now all gay people got to get on board for the terror war because the Islamists are coming for you next

and all of this stuff. It was like on level 10. It was like, you know, selling the war in Ukraine or selling Russia Gate or something. They really push. that so hard and perfectly peaceful

people became bloodthirsty war mongers they thought in self-defense over that. You know what I mean? They just like suborned the war-mongering of third parties who otherwise would have never like turned

that direction at all. You know? I saw it happen. It's crazy. Yeah, I remember that too. It's just man. And being government means never having to say you're sorry you know i mean just whatever dude that's what i think they're going to do with routh is kind of just wait long enough to release drip drip drip drip incremental pieces of the testimony he delivers about his motives and hope that everybody

forgets about it uh because it it really it threatens the key priority of the national security bureaucracy. Yeah. And, you know, I won't give the guy credit. I refuse to, like, presume him innocent really on anything. He's just Giuliani to me, and he'll never be Ron Paul. But, you know, I saw where somebody quoted him saying, hey, look, man, it was at a speech the other day. And he just says random shit. Like, who knows? But he goes, you know, we don't need to be enemies with China. We can get along with China. We can get along with Russia. We can get along with everybody. Look, we're not going to let them screw us anymore. We're going to do this and that and make sure everything is cool but no we don't want to have like a whole new era of like being enemies of people

and stuff like i don't have to do that stuff it'll be fine and like you can see why they hate him they hate him so much even for just kind of popularizing that point of view and especially on the right that just because you're a tough guy doesn't mean you got to be a hawk come on be smart and you know just disbelieve these cooks i mean who could believe in them by the way speaking a witch before I let you go. I saw, do I have this right? Just someone else showed it to me and I only watched it on, uh, I missed the part where you and Aaron Matei introduced the video, but someone sent me a YouTube of you and Aaron introducing a Kamala Harris campaign ad. Was that real? And, and if, if so, what in the hell was that? The ad? Yeah. Or us introducing it.

Well, I believe it wasn't a deep fake of you and Aaron. But I mean, what was that ad? that you guys played there. Was that a legit Kamala Harris campaign ad? Yeah, it's run by a pro Kamala super PAC. It's playing in swing states in areas that are heavily populated by Polish Americans and Ukrainian Americans. And it is the most belligerent ad I've ever seen a Democratic candidate run. It basically pledges to destroy Russia and compares Vladimir Putin of Joseph Stalin.

Calls him a communist. And it's the superpowers. run by Tom Malinowski, who is a Democratic rep from New Jersey, who is a longtime kind of neocon hawk within the progressive, like social progressive foreign policy neocon, who's been working through the sort of NGO and national security bureaucracy for 20 years and this sort of PNAC project for a New American Century adjacent. But it's a, there's a, you know, just a strategy consistent with the Democratic Party's, you know, ethnic politics, where they'll just do anything to win over certain small ethnic groups in swing states, which is where the whole campaign

is taking place. And pretty much the whole campaign is taking place in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. That was a line she used in the debate, too. She goes, oh, yeah, you tell all the Polish voters in Illinois that you're going to let Russia kill them all. Yeah. I mean, you have, something like 600,000 Polish Americans in Pennsylvania. That's sizable. So that's what this is about. And it sickens me that you have these sort of ethnic interest groups in the United States, like the Cuban Americans, Venezuelan Americans who come here and seek to use the United States

to bomb their former countries. And that the U.S. government caters to that in such a cynical fashion just to win elections. It shows a special danger that the, U.S. political system presents to the rest of the world. We can't have a sane or sober policy toward Cuba because of Florida, because of Florida politics. Thank you so much coming back on the show. Great stuff as always. And everybody, go to the Grey Zone YouTube channel.

And the headline is Kamala launches belligerent new Cold War ad blitz to see that video. And then the gray zone.com for all this great stuff and the rest of the guys, too. Thank you, Max. Thanks a lot, Scott. The Scott Horton show, anti-war radio, can be heard on. on K-P-FK 90.7 FM in LA. APSRadio.com, anti-war.com, Scott Horton.org, and Libertarian Institute.org.