Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews - 9/26/24 Connor Freeman on Trump’s Baseless Iranian Kill Teams Accusation and the Lebanon Bombings

Episode Date: September 28, 2024

Connor Freeman was on Antiwar Radio this week to talk about two big stories in the news. The first was the press conference Trump’s campaign called where they claimed the intelligence community had told them that Iran has teams trying to assassinate the former president. Scott and Freeman then discuss the pager attack in Lebanon and the subsequent bombings carried out by the IDF on Lebanese neighborhoods. They end with a quick discussion of the latest coming out of the West Bank. Discussed on the show: Kamala launches belligerent new Cold War ad blitz The Terror Factory by Trevor Aaronson “Israeli bulldozers tear up 'mile after mile' of roads, sewage lines in West Bank towns” (The Cradle) Connor Freeman is the Assistant Editor of the Libertarian Institute, primarily covering foreign policy. He is a co-host on Conflicts of Interest. His writing has been featured in media outlets such as Antiwar.com and Counterpunch, as well as the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. You can follow him on Twitter @FreemansMind96 This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For Pacifica Radio, September 26th, 2004, I'm Scott Horton. This is Anti-War Radio. All right. All right, y'all welcome to show. anti-war radio. I'm your host, Scott Horton. I'm editorial director of anti-war.com and author of the book, enough already. Time to end the war on terrorists. You can find my full interview archive, more than 6,000 of them now, going back to 2003 at Scott Horton.org, and at YouTube.com slash Scott Horton Show. And you'll follow me on Twitter at Scott Horton Show, except I'm not there.

I'm busy writing a book, but my account is run by my right-hand man, Connor Freeman, assistant editor, Institute and anti-war.com. Welcome back to the show. Connor, how you doing? I'm doing great, Scott. Thank you for having me back on. Very happy to have you here on the show. And listen, I'm putting the final touches on Provoked, my book about the war in Ukraine and the lead up to it. And so, well, and a bit more than that, too. And so I've had my head deep in that book and out of the news. So I need you to help me and the people of L.A. listening to KPOK this afternoon catch up. And can we start with what is this ridiculous nonsense about the Ayatollah is trying to kill Donald

Trump? Yeah. So apparently, I mean, it was, I believe, on Tuesday night, the Donald Trump campaign put out basically a news campaign statement that said that they, that Donald Trump had been briefed by officials from Averill Haynes' office of the director of national intelligence, telling him that Iran is seeking to kill him. that they've also, the claim is also that they've hacked the Trump campaign and they're interfering in our election. And Trump is running with this full throttle. Just the other day at a campaign event,

he was saying how, you know, if I was in office and someone did this to an individual, I would tell Iran in no uncertain terms that I will bomb all of your largest cities and wipe your, and blow your whole country to smithereens. And, you know, this comes as Israel has drastically escalated its war in Lebanon, killing over 600 people here just this week so far. And we can get more into that, the massive carpet bombing in eastern and southern Lebanon. So Donald Trump is making these claims in the midst of massive escalations in the region. And he's talking, he's campaigning now essentially on war with Iran. And even though the situation is so tense right now, and everyone's expecting Hezbollah to launch a massive attack on Israel because they've said they will respond in kind and match each

escalation, the Iranian president is saying, look, we don't want to be dragged into a war by Israel. Israel is laying a trap for war. These claims about Trump are completely baseless. He was, the president made comments at the UN General Assembly meeting in New York that, you know, they still want to negotiate with the Americans to directly to get the U.S. to reenter the Iran nuclear deal, which Trump illegally and unilaterally tore up in May of 2018, imposing the maximum pressure campaign, which Biden has only expanded. And their foreign minister, who is an architect of the JCPOA, the Iran deal, is. saying, look, I want to start talks this week. Can we start talks this week? I know it's difficult with the way things are right now, but I want to get the United States back into the nuclear deal. So stop right there, right? So this is two different ways to interpret it. On one hand, oh, see how sneaky they are. On one hand, pretending to try to extend the hand of diplomacy while on the other hand

they're trying to wage this attack on our country. Another way to interpret it would be, that's a bunch of crap. And the thing is, I don't really know what's going on. here but I do know they lie about Iran all the time and I do know that Averill Haynes lies and including directly to Donald Trump in the past and I know that two different people tried to kill him recently and that he must be and including one of them the nearest miss imaginable almost blew his head off and so he must be shocked by that and in a state of emotional vulnerability let's say and the most obvious explanation here is that they're jerking his chain and that makes me really worried because it's not just well i don't know i don't want to speculate

too crazily i was waiting for someone to say this information is coming from the israelis but it's coming from the dn i huh yeah apparently and uh the fbi is uh where the the claims about election interference are coming from and he's he's running with both. He put out the tweet that says, big threats on my life by Iran. The entire U.S. military is watching and waiting. Moves were already made by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again. Not a good situation for anyone. I'm surrounded by more men, guns, and weapons than I've ever seen before. And then he says, thank you to Congress for unanimously approving far more money to secret service, zero no votes, strictly bipartisan, nice to see Republicans

and Democrats get together on something. Yeah. And a tech, which in this case, war with Iran. And these, the Secret Service, were at a minimum, so derelict in duty that he's nearly been killed twice. And to your point, Scott, about, you know, do we really know what's going on? We have U.S. intelligence officials telling the New York Times that there is no connection between Iran and Thomas Matthew Crooks, the first shooter from Pennsylvania, nor to Ryan Ruth, the man who was carrying a rifle outside the Mar-a-Lago Golf. Although that's not the claim, though, right? I mean, that's not what they're telling him. They're saying, This is an entirely separate thing going on.

Right, but what he is saying is that they're, these are, he's implying that these attempts were, Iran was behind them. Well, yeah, it's the universal they out to get him is what it is. And he's terrified, of course. And, you know, it really, it's amazing that we're in this situation where, like, which of the two candidates is dumber and more belligerent in that perfectly George W. Bush, fashion right now. And it's such a contest. I'm sure you saw where Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matey

they showed this video of a Kamala Harris ad that they're running in Pennsylvania where there apparently are a lot of Polish Americans. And they ran this thing that could have been by Bill Crystal and the neoconservatives in 2003 or 2004 during the midterms or something.

Threatening people and saying, listen, if Trump wins, he's going to let rush it. invade and crush and destroy and occupy Poland. You don't want him to let him surrender Poland to the Russian communist empire. And they do say in the thing Connor, they go, American presidents used to stand up to Russian communist dictators, but not like Donald Trump. You know, I mean, they really are calling us stupid, telling us that this is still the Soviet

Union and that they're coming for Poland, but they're willing to do that. Kamala Harris is like, I approve this message to. run as Dick Cheney in Pennsylvania and call and Donald Trump a hippie. And then, as you just quoted, he's ready to smash the button based on somebody told him some nasty rumors. Now, let me ask you this. I was going to come up with a question at some point. I saw a video that I thought must be fake, but it's like a cartoon video of a drone, a little tank drone, a little remote control tank drone. shooting Trump on his golf course and it was supposedly

posted by the Iranian Ayatollah. A friend sent it to me and it was, you know, had a little Iranian logo at the end and all of this and I went to look at the Ayatollah's website because he's got a website and it's in all different languages

and stuff and I tried to look at the different language versions of it and things and I didn't see that anywhere but I'm not on Twitter anymore. I don't know if you saw this video but I wonder if you had and whether Twitter had debunked it already, or what? Because it seemed very sketchy and fake to me. But then again, the Iranians, not necessarily the Ayatollah, but people who work for him,

they talk a lot of smack sometimes, whether they really mean to follow through or not. Right. I saw the video the other day when Mike Lee posted it. I'm not, I seem to remember that video coming out a while ago. I'm not sure it's new. And if I'm not mistaken, I do remember it originating from. Iran. I don't know if it was the IRGC, but the point being, that's just a propaganda video anyway, regardless of who made it. The question is, is Iran trying to kill Trump? But what we do know

is the position of Tehran officially now, even though the IRGC has said before that, you know, they will take revenge at the right time for the assassination of General Qasem Soleimani in Baghdad on January 3, 2020, their top, basically their national hero, the mastermind, mind of the anti-IS war, among other things. The official position of Tehran explained by the UN mission, their UN mission is that actually they want to see Trump tried in a court of law and punished within, you know, with given due process, they want to see him charge with the war crime and the murder of their national hero. Well, look, and people, you know, you and I've discussed this and people should not be confused

that nobody's taking the side of the Ayatollah here or arguing for his moral virtue. The question is whether he wants to commit national suicide by assassinating an American presidential candidate, which if they did that, Joe Biden would call out the B-52s and the B-2s, and they probably wouldn't use nukes, but they would launch many standoff range weapons,

the Navy two, They would blast Iran. It would be a real war if they would to dare to do something like that. And I'm not the greatest expert on the Ayatollah, but I do know that he's been the Supreme Leader of Iran since 1989. And he hasn't tried to get his capital city bombed off the face of the earth yet. And he wouldn't do it as revenge. He wouldn't start a war like that by killing one guy.

as essentially in statecraft childish revenge over the loss of one martyr give me a break dude it can't be real but it really raises the question then well these are the people who framed Trump for treason before and impeached him for holding up an arms deal for a couple of days and have almost gotten his rear end shot off twice now in the past few weeks

and so really makes me wonder what they are up to with this because I'm just going to not accept the truth of it as a premise for more than a minute. It just sounds like BS to me. Yeah, I think the most substantive thing here, though, is that Trump is a ardent hawk on Iran and any enemy that Israel, you know, designates as an adversary, you know, as Netanyahu said in his State of the Union speech earlier this year, our enemies are your enemies. And so the fact that he's campaigning on war with the Ron- What a coincidence, man, I wonder how that happens.

Yeah. And the fact is, you know, the DNC platform, you know, when Kamala Harris was, I don't know what we want to call it, coronated or installed as the nominee outside of the Democratic process, their platform on the Middle East is more hawkish than, well, it rivals Lindsay Graham, let's say. Their main concern or, you know, their denouncement of Trump's policy in the United States. the Middle East primarily revolves around he never bombed Tehran and they come up and over this over Soleimani right when Trump did assassinate Soleimani and then the Ayatolle hit back by what did he do at the time he launched rockets at an empty corner of an American base in Iraq and no one was killed some guys did get concussions and then the Democrats say and some guys got concussions and Trump didn't bomb them back he dared to let the iatolle get the last word shooting down of one of our drones or

over the Strait of Hormuz in 2019. Right. Which Trump said it's a drone. I'm not going to start a war over a drone. You got to appreciate that. I mean, everybody has, I mean, depending on, there's a margin here. But I think he's such a transparent character. Everybody knows who we're dealing with Donald Trump.

Imagine that. I mean, he did violent things. But then in the tit for tat, he let the Ayatola get the last word twice. Eh, that's pretty sober and reasonable of him for, him you know he might have done much worse and i'm quite worried that he will do much worse if given the chance because again how gullible he is he's at the mercy of whatever robert o'brien says he's also been given a hundred million dollars by miriam adelson yeah i mean and that plays a huge role i'm sure in his you know eager acceptance of this narrative from

the same people that framed him for treason the last time i mean it's really bizarre this is the Biden administration and the intelligence community and the same people, some of the same people, I mean, April Haynes was John Brennan's lawyer and deputy. I mean, this is the same kind of cabal that pulled off Russia gate and you have the FBI involved convincing him of this baseless, you know, so far we haven't been provided evidence story that works. Well, and remember, Connor, we know already, remember go back a few weeks where this started. They said, well, there was a Pakistani guy who had been recruited by Iran, and we know that because this informant that we paid got him to admit it, and the Pakistani guy tried to hire Americans, American FBI informants

to kill Trump. Well, that doesn't sound like the Ayatollah and the IRGC running a plot to murder the presidential candidate. Give me a break, dude. We've seen that movie 350 times. Everybody can read Trevor Aronson about that, the great journalist Trevor Aronson. The FBI and their informants, they manufacture these things all the time. And you're telling me one guy the Iranians hired a Pakistani, which

whatever, that's reasonable. I guess it's deniable in a way, fingerprint-wise, but and then he came to America and just tried to hire Randos to do it for him. Come on. This is silly, dude. And that was where this thing started from.

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See, my problem is I'm writing this book about Russia and all this stuff, but somebody should be on the case of this and keeping close track. I smell a rat, and it's an incredibly dangerous one here. Well, and speaking of which, who's bombing who in Lebanon right now in northern Israel, Connor? Yeah, absolutely. So Israel last, well, last week, you know, our defense, the defense minister of Israel, Yoav Galant, shortly before this attack took place, called Lloyd Austin, told him there's an imminent operation taking place, but according to the Wall Street Journal, he didn't divulge details. So the latest escalations really began with this massive terrorist attack where they

blew up, they had rigged it with explosives, shipments of walkie-talkies and pagers that Hezbollah had acquired. And they blew them up in midday. You know, they had the various devices started beeping loudly. So people would pick them up, look at them, and hold them to their faces, and then they would explode. So you have children whose entire faces were blown off. And a lot of civilians were killed in this attack. You know, I mean, and there were, in the two separate attacks, taxi seen thousands injured and roughly, I believe, about 38 people killed, including a nine-year-old girl and an 11-year-old boy. These explosions won off in people's cars. They went off in crowded markets and hospitals. Connor, if you think about, it's just fun sometimes to just take the

situation in Palestine and just switch shoes and feet anywhere else. Like, what if Margaret Thatcher did this to the IRA? And like, hey, the IRA are saying. cutting off bombs. They're killing people. They're killing soldiers. They're bad guys. And then she goes and gives them all booby-trapped pagers and blows their children's faces off. What? No. She wouldn't have done that as merciless as she might have been in some cases. That's insane. Imagine even W. Bush doing that as some sneak attack against al-Qaeda in Iraq somehow. pagers in people's civilian homes blowing up their families at dinner and this and that no way would they do i don't know man no way did they think of that at the time Connor i don't know but it's extremely

outrageous it is really just crazy yeah and leon pinetta the former ci director and uh pentagon chief under obama has condemned it as an act of terrorism and so said that huh yeah absolutely and so Former Secretary of Defense and CIA director and a bloody-handed killer of his own, you know, in his own right. Yeah, even this was a little bit beyond the pale for him, I suppose. And since then, Israel has been bombing. They bombed Beirut at least four times, including I saw reports of new strikes in the southern suburbs of Beirut this morning. But on Friday, they killed 55 people, including 10 women and children. They targeted a Hezbollah commander, a senior commander who was having a meeting.

with other officials in the uh the political group the uh the paramilitary force it's also a political group but these were more military guys and they were beneath uh beirut under a residential building in tunnels and so these massive strikes came and it's caused concerns about you know to what degree the command structure is infiltrated by the israelis because they don't it's puzzling as to how they knew that was where the meeting was taking place and then over the you know on monday there was a massive carpet bombing attack in eastern and southern Lebanon as well as Beirut that killed 558 people, including 50 children and almost 100 women. And they were primarily targeting homes. So we've seen thousands of families flee to Beirut, flee north and toward Beirut as a result of

this. Netanyahu and the Israeli officials, their justification for it was basically they didn't provide evidence. They had animated videos, speaking of animated video. videos showing, in some cases, you know, showing that Hezbollah has rockets in people's homes. And Netanyahu actually said, you know, anyone who has a missile in their living room or rockets in their garage will no longer have a home. Did they dig up Colin Powell to hold up the drawings for people like the UN address of 2003? No, this was even... Look, everyone.

A drawing of a biological weapons laboratory. Why not? Hey, here's a cartoon of a rocket in someone's living room. You believe in cartoons. There is literally a cartoon they put out of Nasrallah with a woman who's seemingly crying and reluctantly accepting that a missile is being moved into her living room.

Okay. So really strong evidence. You know what? Again, I don't know any reason why anybody's got to apologize for Esbala, but I just don't believe all these Belgian babies on bayonets and all this propaganda. I'm sure Hasbalah, when necessary,

are perfectly happy to court her soldiers in people's homes and do whatever they think they have to do and surely crossing the line into unjustifiable behavior, but still a bunch of propaganda and probably not even true in this case. Since then, they've bombed. They killed 72 people last night, injured 392, or it should say yesterday, and then they killed 70 people overnight,

in the Bakav Valley in the east and other parts of the south. I mean, what they're actually, I mean, what the plan is apparently, and this has been outlined by the diaspora minister who says that Lebanon does not qualify as a state because it's run by a hostile Shiite population. And essentially what they're talking about, just like we've seen in Gaza, just like we've seen in the West Bank, they want to carpet bomb the South, make it uninhabitable, push all those people back up north and get Hezbollah behind the Latani River at a minimum, and then they want to go into southern Lebanon and build settlements there. Yeah, Greater Israel. There's a couple of different

groups. There's reports on anti-war.com today about it. There's. And of course, it's not true that Hezbollah just rules Lebanon. Lebanon is what they call a confessional system where you have, and this is wrong, but just for example, a Sunni prime minister, a Shiite president, a Christian head of the Senate and a different kind of Christian head of the interior department. And it's structured like that, which is a weird way doing things, but they've gotten by for a long time. And Hezbollah is in a coalition with a group called the Aounists named after Michael Aoun, who is a Christian. And so, and this is a government that is supported by the United States of America. it's not exactly a democratic government but it's as good as you could get for lebanon

and it's just a lie and a slander of course to justify killing and stealing that oh yeah oh lebanon yeah has bala rules all that no hasbala has a mini state in the shiite south they and they're part of the coalition government that doesn't mean they lord it over the other populations there right so we and we have this report up at antiwar dot com today the movement for the settlement in southern Lebanon has published a map with Hebrew names of these settlements for all the Lebanese towns and villages they're going to ethnically cleanse. There's another group called Awaken North, which is demanding the conquest and settlement of Lebanon.

They sent drones and balloons in the south back in June, telling people to evict, you know, that they're going to be evicted. We even have chief rabbis of one on IDF brigade saying that, you know, this is all the promised land. and this is all greater Israel, all of Lebanon, all of Gaza. So this is the kind of mentality we're seeing. And this comes as we should talk about Gaza. Well, I was going to say we got about five minutes here for you to talk about Gaza and the West Bank both.

So please go ahead. Absolutely. So there is a new, unfortunately, the worst for Gaza seems that it is yet to come. There is a new plan called the General's Plan, which has been presented by Giora Island, a former Major General. and a group of retired generals from the IDF. And essentially what they're calling for, it's according to the Jerusalem Post, transferring the civilian population in northern Gaza

to the south of the Netrazine corridor, which bisects the strip and separates the north from the rest, blocking all aid and initiating a full siege of northern Gaza and pronouncing it a closed military zone, preventing any and all deliveries of supplies, medical aid, food to the area until it is, quote, cleansed and the remaining Hamas fighters are defeated by applying intense military pressure and then conducting a similar procedure in other areas of the Gaza Strip.

And this has this plan has massive support. We've already seen, I believe it's 27 different members of the Knesset and several ministers who have sent a letter to Netanyahu endorsing the plan, the general's plan. And in CNN, they actually report that the plan was presented to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee and a member of the Knesset of the centrist yeshatee party mariav Cohen said the only threat they are facing is obesity meaning the Palestinians in Gaza is this how we will bring our hostages home no I think the plan that you're and other commanders presented here is very smart it sets clear rules we have to implement it and then we can it's possible to carry it out

in other parts of the strip so they are talking about I mean and listen there's the estimates by the IDF and other groups are that there are at least hundreds of thousands of people still living in northern Gaza, which is the part of the strip hit hardest by the man-made famine under the siege and relentless bombing of all civilian infrastructure. And the IDF is saying that there are 300,000 people in northern Gaza that they're going to kill or kick out. And there are 5,000 terrorists that they're trying to get. Five thousand Hamas members that they claim they're going to go in there and wipe out. There's no indication, and the CNN report makes clear, there's no indication that the Palestinians who are being ethnically cleansed here will ever be able to return to their homes.

And they're not going to leave. This is going to be an absolute slaughter because every time they've been told them, many of these people, over 90% of the population has already been internally displaced, many of them more than a dozen times. And there are no safe zones, as we know. They constantly bomb safe zones. They constantly bombed schools that have been turned into shelters because they've destroyed all the universities and most of all the other schools.

So the ones that still exist are serving as shelters, and they bomb them all the time, and they call them, you know, Hamas command of control centers. They don't provide any evidence. And so those people are very likely, very unlikely, I should say, to follow along and move when the IDF tells them to. And so the plan is to kill everybody there and then move on to the rest of the strip. So it really does appear, as I said, that the worst is still yet to come. For instance, to give you an idea of the way the war is going on Sunday, they bombed a school-turned shelter in the Al-Shadi-Recti. UG Camp, which is in the north, and killed seven people. And then on Saturday, they bombed in the Al-Zatune neighborhood, another school where they

killed 22 people, including 13 children and six women. 30 people are injured in the attack. Nine children had to have their limbs amputated. And it was sheltering orphans and widows who were being helped by a chair. They were receiving aid through a charity program. And it's just... Now, Connor, time is short here. We got this headline that must be addressed on anti-war.com today.

Israeli bulldozers tear up mile after mile in West Bank. Absolutely. So this is a New York Times piece that was just published on the 25th, all about the massive destruction in Operation Summer Camps, as the IDF called it. These are the worst raids and worst attacks on the West Bank in 20 years, primarily focusing on the north. They've destroyed with their bulldozers, 70% of the infrastructure and roads in Janine, cut off 80% of the water to the population.

In Tolkrum, they destroyed 90% of the infrastructure and roads. And there's all kinds of stories, Scott, about people's businesses and shops being just destroyed, either blown apart after being rigged with explosives or just bulldozed to hell and blocking people from getting to hospitals who are being killed in the midst of the raids. They're, you know, attacking schools, pharmacies, bulldozing pharmacies, and destroying water mains and the electricity and the phone lines and the internet and the, you know, just sewage running rampant throughout the streets because they're tearing everything up with the bulldozers. And, you know, Janine has been attacked so many times, particularly during the second intifada and was hit with

airstrikes of the first time in many years last July. The people who lived there have said they've never seen anything like this. And the message is Gaza is coming to you as the director of Al Hawk, a West Bank based rights group said. They know that the, they know that the plan is to come in and kill the Palestinians and the West Bank and expel them. We've already had the IDF say that this is the second most important front before their latest escalations in Lebanon. And they even demolished the town's soccer field. It's so easy to predict that Trump would tell them, fine, do whatever you want.

I can't see Harris being that easy, but I can't see her standing up to them at all either, right? Like, what is she going to do? No. How could Trump be worse than the Democrats are right now? I don't think he could. The message seems to be until Biden leaves office, you have a green light to do whatever you want, and that'll carry over to the Trump administration.

And Harris, too. With Harris, too, absolutely. All right, that's it. I'm sorry, we're out of time. It's anti-war radio. Thank you very much for your time. Connor Freeman, everybody. Thanks, Scott.

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