Screaming in the Cloud - The Proliferation of Ways to Learn with Serena (@shenetworks)

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

About Serena Serena is a Network Engineer who specializes in Data Center Compute and Virtualization. She has degrees in Computer Information Systems with a concentration on networking and information security and is currently pursuing a master’s in Data Center Systems Engineering. She is most known for her content on TikTok and Twitter as Shenetworks. Serena’s content focuses on networking and security for beginners which has included popular videos on bug bounties, switch spoofing, VLAN hoping, and passing the Security+ certification in 24 hours.Links:Cisco cert Discord study group:https://discord.com/invite/uXQ8yWnN8aBeacons:https://beacons.page/shenetworksTikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@shenetworkssysengineer’s TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@sysengineerTwitter:https://twitter.com/notshenetworks

Hello, and welcome to Screaming in the Cloud, with your host, Chief Cloud Economist at the Duckbill Group, Corey Quinn. This weekly show features conversations with people doing interesting work in the world of cloud, thoughtful commentary on the state of the technical world, and ridiculous titles for which Corey refuses to apologize. This is Screaming in the Cloud. This episode is sponsored in part by our friends at Sysdig. Sysdig is the solution for securing DevOps.

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Depente. Thanks for coming back and subjecting yourself to basically my nonsense all over again in the same month. Thanks for having me back. Excited. So you have a, I think study group is the term that you're using. I don't know how to describe it in a way that doesn't make me sound ridiculous and describing and speaking with my hands and the rest. It's a Discord, as the kids of today tend to use. There are some private channels on an existing Discord group, and we'll get to the mechanics of that in a second. But it's a study group for various Cisco certifications, which it's been a while since I had one. My CCNA is something I took back in 2009.

I've checked. It's expired to the point where they can't even look it up anymore to figure out who I might have been once upon a time. What is this group and where did it come from? Yeah, so the Discord itself is kind of a collective of a bunch of people that are creators on TikTok. And it's just like a cool place to connect, especially people from TikTok join, people from Twitter join. They want to interact. You know, a great place to get resources if you're early in your career. I, you know, new year, new me resolution was I wanted to start studying for the CCMP a little bit.

And I've been doing it pretty loosely for a while, but I kind of was like, all right, time to actually sit down and dedicate some real time to this. And I put on Twitter, you know, if anybody else was interested, I know there's other various study groups out there and things like that.

But I was just like, hey, you know, was anyone interested in a study group? And I got really good response. Of course, a lot of people are at the CCNA level. So I made a channel for CCNA and CCMP. So whatever level you're at, you can come in and ask questions. It's really great.

One thing that irked me when I first joined is, well, there's no CCENT, which was sort of the entry-level Cisco cert, the first half of the CCNA. And I did a bit of Googling before shooting my mouth off, and it turns out that Cisco sunset that cert a while back. So CCNA is now the entry-level cert, as I understand it. Yeah. So when I did my CCNA, I did the CC or CCENT, the CCENT, and then the ICND2. And that's how I got my CCNA. And then I went and got the data center CCNA, which was

two exams, two, or maybe it was just one. I can't remember fully. But they basically got rid of all of their CCNAs and created one new one that's just the CCNA Enterprise. What I found worked out for me when I was going through the process of getting the CCNA, the CCENT, I forget how at the time, came along for the ride. And it was the CCENT, the baseline stuff that really added value to my entire career. A piece of advice that I would give anyone in the technical space is when you're hand-waving over a thing you don't really understand, maybe stop doing that one afternoon when you don't have anything else going on. Dig into it. For me, it was always, what the hell is a subnet mask?

I don't know. It's a thing that if I put the right numbers in, the box stops turning gray and turn black and let me click the button, life goes on. Figuring out what that meant and how it was calculated was interesting and it made me understand what was going on at a deeper level, which means that invariably when things break, they're computers, they break. I could have a better understanding of the holistic system and ideally have a better chance of getting to an outcome of fixing it. So I'm not sitting here suggesting that anyone who wants to, oh, you want to work in the cloud and go and build things out on top of AWS or GCP, great. Go and get a Cisco certification as the first stop along your journey.

But understanding how the network works is absolutely going to serve you well for the rest of your technical career, because not a lot has changed in the networking sense over the past 13 years since I sat the certification exam. It turns out that the TCP handshake still works the same way, badly. Yeah. And to your point, the troubleshooting part is really where you need that depth of knowledge, right? And that's typically when it's crunch time and things are gone awry and you really need to have an understanding of, okay, is it the subnet mask? And the quicker that you can identify that outage, that problem, the quicker you get a resolution. And you do need depth of knowledge for that and understanding that

kind of underlying infrastructure is so helpful. And that was always the useful part of the certification and the exam that went along with it to me was, okay, with a subnet mask of whatever you're talking about here, great. How many usable IP addresses are there in the network? And yeah, that's the kind of thing that we really care about. The stuff that drove me nuts was the other half of it, where it's the, ah, what is the proper syntactical command on the Cisco command line to display this thing? And it's, first, I can probably look that up or tab complete it or whatnot. Secondly, I get it's a Cisco exam, but this is a world where interoperability is very much a thing. And it is incredibly likely that the thing I need to find that out on is not going to ultimately be a Cisco device once I'm working in enterprise. Yeah, I do have similar feedback when it comes to that, because right now

I've been trying to do kind of a chapter a day out of the Cisco Press book, and that's my main source of studying right now. I like to read a lot, so reading is usually my main method of studying, I guess. But I'm in a chapter right now that's like 100 pages of just hardware specifics. And we're talking about like PCIe cards and VIX and the different models and which ports are unified and you can configure for fiber channel and which are uplink on the different generations.

And I'm like, oh, I hate that. It's my least favorite part of studying because for that, I mean, I always just pull up the documentation and it's like, okay, here's the ports that can be, you know, configured as a fiber channel over ethernet or fiber channel or whatever. Remembering it off the top of my head, which model, which year, which ports, I'm not great with that. And I don't think it's honestly that valuable when it comes to

certification exams, because you really should be using the documentation when you are doing those types of configurations between hardware and generations and compatibility. We sort of see the same thing in the development space where, okay, the job we're hiring you to do is to work on some front-end work and change how things are rendered. But when we're doing the job interview for that role, oh, now we have an empty whiteboard and we want you to write syntactically valid code that will implement some sorting algorithm or whatnot, while some condescending jerk sits there and, nope, that's not it, in the background in a high-pressure environment. Because for that jack wagon, it's any given Thursday. But for you, it determines the next phase of your career. And I hated that stuff. Whereas in the real world, I'm not going to be

implementing an algorithm like that in any realistic sense. I'll be using the one built into whatever language I'm using. It's important from a computer science perspective to know it, but from a day-to-day job environment, not so much. And I can't recall the last time that I had to fix a technical issue where I did not have the internet as a resource while I was fixing that issue. Even when it's, the internet is down because it turns out without the network, I just have a whole bunch of expensive space heaters here. Great. My phone still worked. I could check, oh, what is the command to get back into that firewall that it turns out I just locked myself out of by, yeah, when it turns out you close a port and you're using that port, mistakes show. Yeah, I agree with that. And I mean,

that goes into the much broader conversation of technical interviews, because even as a network engineer one time, I had a whiteboard technical interview where they were asking routing questions, but I didn't have access to any equipment. And so it was just basically asking them questions and I'm a very visual person. So for me to not be able to like kind of put my hands on something and like run some commands and look over at myself, I did so horribly in that interview. And I left feeling just like, I felt, I left feeling really bad about myself, honestly, because I had done so bad. And for me, I was assuming they were using some routing protocol and they're like, no, it's actually all statically configured. And I was like, I would be able to know that if I could run commands and like actually look, but it was so bad.

Right. And it's stressful working in front of people. I know that whenever I'm typing in front of an audience, I don't do it, but it feels like what I did first is, all right, let me put my mittens on, because I can't type to save my life, and I look incompetent across five different levels at that point. I guess not the answer I would expect. It's okay. We can talk about that. Give me more context behind why I thought it was this clearly I'm missing something or the bot is broken. So what is going on here? Help me understand why this is the way that it is. And back when I was learning how this stuff all worked, I went through originally a class at a community college and then finished it up with apparently with sort of a brain dump style boot camp, which I didn't really realize was a thing until after the fact. It was just memorization of these things, which, okay, great. I could memorize my way through some things I would never use again, like EIGRP, one of Cisco's proprietary

routing protocols that I've never heard of anyone using in the real world before, but I'm sure it's a thing and they're trying to push it. Great. I can skate past that well enough to hang a cert, but it didn't feel like the way to learn it because there was no context. It was just the rote memorization. Yeah. And that is very difficult. I'm a big fan of theory. So, you know, when we're talking about VIT cards, I was going through each generation and which you would use for a blade or a rack server, whatever. I think that your time is better spent understanding what a vit card is, why it's important,

maybe like the history and all that, instead of being like, this version isn't compatible with this UCS blade server or whatever. Because I am studying for the data center flavor of the CCMP right now. So it's a little bit of a different path. I think most people take the enterprise.

That's the more traditional route switch, iOS. Mine's more UCS things work. And there's a lot of discussion back and forth about things like that without talking about the real world implications, such as if you're building out two subnets inside of a larger range, don't put them right next to each other. Because if you need to expand the network later, you are in a world of pain compared to if you had given them some significant breathing room. And okay, great. You probably don't need to use all the 10 slash eight network in your small scale environment. And even some larger scale ones,

you're hard pressed to use all those things. It's just the real world experience. And you understand that you don't want to do that the second time. The first time you do it, because why not? It's easy to remember for humans. And then you run into weird issues with, oh, well, when would I ever have more than 254 servers sitting in a subnet? 253, whatever the number is these days, don't yell at me. Great. What about containers running on top of those things? Oh, right. The worst answer to so many architectural patterns, well, throw some containers at it and you're back into those problems.

Yeah. It's the real world scars you get. Yeah. And I think that there is such a difference between when you're studying and learning versus and taking certifications or tests than in the real world. And that was very discouraging for me when I was first learning because I would take these exams and we had a Cisco Academy where I went to college and I would take these exams and we had a Cisco Academy where I went to college and I would take these exams. And my professor was just known for her very difficult tests. So I think her advanced routing course, maybe only 30% of the people who took it passed it their first try.

And so I would take these exams and I walk away being like, I don't know anything. I'm never going to be a good network engineer. I'm never going to be able to get a job or anything because I couldn't regurgitate which show command was showing me errors on a switch, right? And then now in the real world, I'm like, okay, relieved because I was like, I can look this up. Like I can take my time. And then, you know, with getting your hands on, I mean, you learned so much within your first year. That is probably more than I learned in all four years of school. But saying that, it was really great for me to have that base of all of that underlying

networking and already kind of understanding the terminology alone is such a big barrier, I would say. Just being able to sit in a room and listen to these conversations and understand what's going on, that's half the battle in the beginning. I have never heard anyone be prouder of being bad at their job than a professor saying, I have a 30% pass rate. Isn't your whole ethos of that role to be someone who teaches people how to do a thing? So if two-thirds of your class is not learning that thing, it doesn't mean you're a hard grader. It means you're bad at conveying the concept and or testing for understanding of the thing that you've just taught them. If you're a teacher listening to this, please don't email me until you fix your problem first. See, and she would come in and say on the first day class, I took multiple classes

with her. And she was like, if you read everything in the book and pay attention to all the slides, you're still going to fail. She wanted you to really go above and beyond and commit and run all these laps and do all these things. And in college, I hated it. I was so resentful and angry because it really did make me feel bad. But at the same time, there was one point someone had asked her a question and she was like, why don't you ask Serena? She has the highest grade in the class. And I was shocked because I had like a C in the class. And I was like, me? I'm the one that has the highest grade in the class. And I would definitely do things a little bit differently if I were teaching that course because it, I think, turned off a lot of people into the field. But me passing those grades, I really could have probably taken the CCMP right when

I was done with those courses and passed with flying colors. But I didn't have the money to take the CCMP exams until much later when I had a job. And now it's like so much has changed. The exams have changed. I'm in data center now, so it's a little bit different. But yeah. I never understood the idea of charging for certs. If people are spending the time and energy to learn about your company's specific technology well enough to take the exam, they're probably going to want to use it in their career as they move forward.

So charging a few hundred bucks to sit the test has never struck me as a good idea. And the cloud companies do the exact same things as well. And every company that attains some level of success launches a certification exam, but then they charge a few hundred bucks for it, which does that money really matter? Because either you're an engineer and your company is going to be paying for it, or you're making engineering money these days and it's just an irritant. But it feels to me like the people that really get disadvantaged by that are the early learners, the students, the folks who are planning to have a career in this, but a few hundred bucks becomes a barrier. Oh, it's a huge barrier. I mean, it was a big barrier for me. I didn't have money to go to college, so I took out student loans. I worked my way through college and constantly had a job, which then was difficult because my grades suffered

because I didn't have the same amount of time. But you did have the highest grade in class, I recall. For that one course, for the one course. But I didn't have the same amount of time in a day to study as some of my classmates who didn't have to have a job in college. But then also, I couldn't afford $300 to take one exam out of the three that you needed at the time for the CCNP. And that's when I was early in my career. The CCNA too, like I didn't have the money to take that exam either. And I think a lot of people are in that position because they are trying to better their knowledge. They're trying to achieve a new job. That's what those certifications are geared towards, right? And so putting that $300,

I mean, that person might be working a minimum wage job and they're trying to get out of that minimum wage job into a higher paying tech job. And $300 is a lot of money. It is a lot of money. My rent in college was $300. So that's a whole month's rent for me, right? To put it in perspective.

So, yeah. Yeah, we'll be throwing a bunch of credit codes your way for folks who are learning and have to the financial burden because it's important that people be able to not have money being the obstacle to learning a technical field. I am curious, though, as to the genesis of this whole discord because I heard you talking about it. I joined, but there are a lot of other people talking about different things. Most notably and importantly, there's an Ohio slander channel in there, which is just spot on perfect from where I sit. But it's not just you and it's not just networking stuff.

It's a systems engineering slack. Where did it come from? Yeah. So, a sysengineer, my friend, Chris Lynn, she's also a TikTok creator. And she set up her own Discord server, which I have kind of like inserted myself into. It's very hard to run your own server, right? So it's kind of more of a collective at this point. But she's Sis Engineer on TikTok, and so her server is just Sis Engineer.

And there's a lot of memes, right, because we have a lot of like Gen Z. I mean, who doesn't love a good meme? And Chris Lynn, Sis engineer, is from Ohio. I'm from Ohio. So the Ohio slander thing is kind of funny because we're just like always talking crap about Ohio. Which it deserves. Let's be very clear here. I have family in Ohio myself.

Every time I visited them, my favorite part was leaving Ohio. I mean, data transfer between AWS regions, the least expensive one, is the one cent instead of two cents between Ohio and Virginia, because even data wants to get out of Ohio. It was like 11 of the astronauts are from Ohio. It was like, what about Ohio makes me want to leave the earth? Yeah. How far can I get from Ohio? The absolute furthest place away. Well, here's the furthest place on earth, not far enough. I know if you're from Ohio, I know you're going to be very upset. You're going to be listening to this and angrily riding your horse to Pennsylvania to send an angry email my way. But that's okay.

You'll get there eventually. But yeah, there's a lot of memes and stuff from TikTok. It's funny because we love to joke. We love to keep it lighthearted. We want to attract people who are younger. A lot of the memes come from TikTok. And so it's a fun, good time. And there's developers on there. There's tons of people that

work other jobs that aren't systems engineering or network engineering. So we have a bunch of different opportunities and channels for other people to kind of ask questions and connect with other people in the field, especially with everyone being remote for the most part now. And COVID, you don't have a ton of social interaction. So it's a good place to go get some social interaction. This episode is sponsored by our friends at Oracle HeatWave, a new high-performance query accelerator for the Oracle MySQL database service, although I insist on calling it MySquirrel. While MySquirrel has long been the world's most popular open source database, shifting from transacting to analytics required way too much overhead and, you know, work. and eliminate the time-consuming data movement and integration work, while also performing 1,100 times faster than Amazon Aurora and two and a half times faster than Amazon Redshift at a third the cost.

My thanks again to Oracle Cloud for sponsoring this ridiculous nonsense. It's also great because when I was, earlier in my career, I was a traveling consultant, and periodically I would find myself, well, I'd work in 40 hours a week and then in a hotel room for the rest of it. That's sort of depressing. I would go to local meetups. I'll never forget going to one Linux user group meeting. In this town, apparently Linux wasn't really a thing. The big conversational topic was how to sneak Linux into your Windows job.

I'm sitting around here going, I don't know if that's necessarily the best way to go about it. But I checked, there were no reasonable Linux jobs in that community. So all of their focus in these user groups was about viewing it as a side project, as this aspirational thing. And I'm sitting here visiting from out of town. I'm thinking, well, I have a job in the Linux environment and how did I find it? I just went online and looked for jobs that had the word Linux in the title and there you go. That option is not open to everyone in every geography. So being able to get exposed to folks who aren't all in your neighborhood is one of the big benefits I found of online forums like this. Yeah. One of the things that I think was positive that came out of COVID is if you are in a smaller region, one of the reasons I left Ohio was because

of a lack of jobs, right? And because there was more opportunity in other areas. And now I wouldn't have had to move. Not that saying, I would have probably moved out of Ohio anyway. But if you don't want to, if your whole family's there, now you're luckily not really stuck with just the jobs that are in your local area. There's tons of remote jobs now. I think that's fantastic. And like I said, one of the positive things that did come out of COVID. The thing that I don't fully understand is folks who are working for remote companies, we're a distributed company ourselves here at the Duckbill Group, and we pay the same for a role regardless of where on or off the planet

you happen to be sitting, just because the value you're adding makes zero difference to me based upon where you happen to be. And there are a number of companies out there who are being very particular about, well, where are you geographically? Because then we need to adjust your comp so you're appropriate for that market.

And it's really, is the work you're doing this month materially different than the work you're doing next month as far as value goes based upon where you're sitting? I don't buy it. But it's also challenging at giant companies to wind up paying the same across the board for all of your staff in one fell swoop. I think it's particularly bad. I had seen some companies that were basically saying if they were already employed and already getting some salary, and then like, if you move, we're going to lower your salary. And I was like, it just, to me, seems so greedy, especially coming from these massive companies that turn huge profits, that you're

going to be concerned over a $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 difference, right? And it's like, it just seems greedy to me because it's like, well, you had no problem paying that while I was living there, but now it's a problem that I moved closer to family or something like that. I luckily was not in that position, but it would have put a distaste in my mouth towards that company, I think, as an employee in that position. We want to know where people are for tax purposes. We have this whole thing about not committing tax fraud. But aside from that, we don't care where you happen to be. We've had people take a month in Costa Rica, for example.

Great. Have fun. Let us know what you think. As long as you have internet there and you make the scheduled meetings you've committed to make, great. But that's part of the benefit of having a company that's been distributed since before the pandemic. What I really have sympathy for is folks who had built companies that depended on an in-office culture and suddenly you're forced into remote during a very stressful time. Yeah. Luckily, I mean, most of my jobs are very easily remote, but I can see that. I don't know. The whole, I don't ever want to work in an office again, personally. It's just not for me. I have done really well transitioning to work from home and still keeping up with all my coworkers and reaching out to them, having meetings. I think

at this point, after two years in, companies are going to have a really hard time justifying to their employees, like, oh, we have to be back in the office. And it's like, well, why? Is productivity down? Are we not as profitable? Like, what happened within these last two years that is making you think, like, we need to go back into the office? And they don't really have anything besides culture. And it's like, you're going to need to do more than that. It's important for us to see our coworkers from time to time. And once it's safe to do so,

we're going to be doing quarterly meetups in various places. But that's also, it's not every day. The technology problems, I have less sympathy for it now than I did at the start of the pandemic where network engineers were basically calling the data center and, yeah, can you go reboot the VPN concentrator? Okay, which server is that? Probably the one that's glowing white hot right now because they are designed for the entire company to be using it simultaneously all the time. Two years later, we have mostly fixed those problems. Yeah, yeah. Two years later, it's like, okay, you're going to really have to convince me to go back into the office.

And I like the flexibility. Like, I really do. If I want to move, I can move. If I want to, like you said, go to Costa Rica for a month, I could do that. But there's a lot of options, flexibility. I've been having a great time work from home. And I've been having a lot of fun exploring the bounds of this new Discord group. And I'll throw a link to it in the show notes because anyone who wants to show up and can validate that they're a human being is welcome to join until they turn into a jerk, which is basically the community these days. Let's be clear.

But I found there are a couple of Discord bots. Yeah, it's all the same thing now. That ask test questions and you can give an answer and it tells you in a DM whether you got it right or not, which is always fun when the bot is broken and you're sitting there going, well, that doesn't make much sense. But what other stuff has been built into this? For those of us who spend all of our time in Slack these days, what is the advantage of the Discord way of doing things? I guess for me, I'm not like a huge Discord person. This is really the only one that I participate in. I'm in a couple of my friends' Discords as well. But there's a lot of stickers that are customizable that relate back to memes a lot

of the times. But yeah, the bot that you had mentioned is a great feature that Discord has, where Terranova Tech, who's also another TikTok content creator, his name's Anthony, he created from Python a practice question bot for CCNA and CCNP, and so uploaded some questions to those. The bot isn't beta, guys. So, you know, just like be aware of that. We are trying to constantly improve it and add new features. I have been adding a ton of questions for decor as I go through my book studying. I'll, you know, create practice questions. And that's typically a part of my normal studying routine is creating practice questions that I can then go back to after I've read something to solidify it in my mind. And, you know, you can use those questions too. You

can suggest questions if you're like, hey, I think I was doing studying and I think this would be a cool question to add to the Discord bot. We can do that as well. And so that's great. I love that feature. One last question before we wind up calling it an episode. Recently, you have caused a bit of TikTok controversy, for lack of a better term. And sure enough, we've had people swinging in from all over the planet to chime in and yell at you in the comments. What's going on there? Okay. Yeah. So that's not unusual for me to cause some TikTok drama in the tech space. Okay. So there's a TikTok trend right now where it's a song and the song lyrics are, you look so dumb right now, okay?

And the other videos, like if you click this down, you can see like there's some of the videos will say like, they told me I needed to rotate my tires, but they rotate every time I drive. And someone was like, my girlfriend said she needs new foundation, but our house is just fine. And so in the background, you hear the song that says like, you look so dumb right now. So it's just like a funny, funny joke.

I did it. And I was like, I knew some people were going to miss the joke. And I said, you know, when they say you need a backup, but you use RAID. And so the sound is, you look so dumb right now. And I was definitely expecting people to miss the joke. And so I even tweeted at the same time. I was like, I posted a new video like about that joke. And so I was like, be prepared for the comments because I knew even someone would be like, she was just backtracking now. She just is embarrassed. But I was like, it's the joke, guys. I even put in the caption, hashtag, this is a joke. And 90% of the people that commented on it just completely missed that joke and were very upset that I said that. Yeah. Anyone who believes RAID's a backup only has to make one mistake, deleting the wrong thing or overwriting something important,

before they realize that that is very much not the case. And if you've been in tech for longer than about 20 minutes, you probably made a mistake like that at one point. It's not one of those things that could reasonably be expected that someone would take seriously. But yet, here we are with entire legions of people with no sense of humor. Yeah, it ended up in like Facebook groups and stuff too, where these people thought I was being serious. And in the comments, I started making more jokes because someone's like, well, what if your data center catches on fire? And I was like, well, don't have a fire at your data center. Like, I don't understand, obviously. And so I just tried to like, you know, make more jokes back to kind of keep it up. And people were very upset. That's why you're not allowed to smoke

in them. Problem solved. Where would the fire come from? Yeah. There was like, someone was like, well, what if you get ransomware? I was like, we have Norton. Like, just like making them most, and I was trying to really go outlandish

with some of them because they're like, Raid is not a replacement for cold storage. And I was like, well, we have a lot of fans. So our Raid is very cold. And like, just kept it going. Some people were, so our rate is very cold. And I just kept it going. Some people were not happy. I love that. They just keep doubling down on the dumb. The problem is that some people are lifelong experts at it, and they're always going to

beat you with experience when you try it. It's... Yeah. Honestly, the hardest thing to learn, one of the most valuable, at least from my perspective, is learning when to just ignore the comments and keep going. Yeah, I definitely get some that I ignore. I mean, if they're like overly mean, I'll block somebody or something like that. You know, for someone just missing a joke, it's like, okay, whatever. But yeah, some people, even after they're like, hey man, this is just a joke. They're like, well, this isn't a funny joke. I was like, I will never make a joke about Raid as a backup again, I promise. No, you already told that joke.

There are better ones you can explore. Yeah, for sure. So if people want to come and hang out in this Discord, what's the best way for them to find it? We'll put it in the show notes, but sometimes people listen rather than Reid. Yeah, I think if you even just Google SysEngineer Discord, it should come up like that. It's on the Google return searches. It's in a link in myBeacons, on my TikTok. It's in a link in SisEngineer's TikTok. So there's a couple different places that you can find and join. And of course, in the show notes for this podcast as well. In the show notes of this podcast, of course. Thank you so much for taking the time

to talk to me about all this. If people want to follow you beyond just the Discord, where is the best place for them to find you? So I'm SheNetworks on TikTok, and then I'm NotSheNetworks on Twitter. So you can find me in both of those locations. Fantastic. Thanks so much for taking the time to speak with me today. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Serena DePente, network engineer, and of course, she networks on the internet.

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