ScreenCrush: The Podcast! - Disney Announces SECRET Cancellation of MARVEL Movies - Armor Wars, Avengers 5 Status EXPLAINED

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:30 Love thrillers with a paranormal twist? The entire Oracle trilogy is available on Audible. Listen now on Audible. Disney CEO Bob Iger has recently confirmed to the Hollywood Reporter that they are killing some major projects over at the House of Mouse. And we think that some of our beloved Marvel movies, even Avengers 5 could be on the chopping block. Welcome back to Screen Crush. I'm Ryan Erie.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Now, in that interview with the Hollywood reporter, Bob Iger said, you have to kill things you no longer believe in. And that's not easy in this business. Because either you've gotten started, you have some sunk costs, or it's a relationship with either your employees or with the creative community. It's not an easy thing, but you've got to make those tough calls. We've actually made those tough calls. We've not been public about it, but we've killed a few projects already that we just didn't feel were strong enough. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Starting point is 00:01:18 He did sound like a little Thanosy, didn't he? But the question is, is Bob Eiger right? A little later, I'm going to be joined by our friend Colton Ogburn, the man eternally trapped in our tiny television, but he doesn't know it. please don't tell him, and Colton is going to tell us which movies and series from the MCU lineup could have been snapped from existence by Iger. But first, let's talk about what it even means to cancel a project and the impact the cancellation can have on different projects, especially based on how far they are into production. Now, we have seen Warner Brothers cancel films like Backgirl and Coyote v. Acme, films that were completed and ready to be released,
Starting point is 00:01:49 but instead the studio can the films so they could write them off as losses on their taxes. Now, I'm not sure how much money they can save on their taxes when they write off two movies with budgets of nearly $100 million, but it must have been more than they thought the film would make at the box office. But box office dollars are not the only consideration when you decide to cancel the project. In Batgirl's case, the movie was apparently really bad, like unwatchable. New DC co-boss, Peter Safran, had this to say about the film. I saw the movie. There are a lot of incredibly talented people in front of and behind the camera in that film, but that was not releasable. It happens sometimes. Releasing a film that you think is going to be panned by critics
Starting point is 00:02:24 and audiences can monetarily damage your overall brand. And DC is having enough problems. I mean, look at the flash. What the fuck did you just say? I said what I said. But Marvel Studios, on the other hand, never had that problem. Kevin Feige always ran a tight ship and put out a quality product. The only major MCU movie I remember being canceled during the Infinity Saga was the Inhumans,
Starting point is 00:02:45 and that never even started principal photography, and actually Kevin Feige never wanted to make it to begin with. But the MCU's Multiverse saga is another story. Following the post-pandemic financial panic, Feigey and Marvel Studios were pushed to expand way too fast, and Feigy was stretched way too thin. He was even forced to announce projects to the public that he wasn't fully ready to green light, all to boost Disney plus numbers and reassure Disney stockholders.
Starting point is 00:03:07 And now, we are seeing that haste come back to bite them and the you know where. And the fact, yes. Now, with Bob Eiger back in charge at Disney, Kevin Feige has been given the breathing room that he needs to run Marvel Studios the way he used to. And that means some projects are just going to be cut. Not just projects that haven't started filming,
Starting point is 00:03:22 but maybe even some projects that have been filmed, edited, and are waiting to be released. Because if those projects aren't very good, they could actually do more harm than good to the Marvel brand. And let's face it, Marvel can't take many more flops, both at the box office and on Disney Plus. Marvel Studios used to be looked at as a quality guaranteed type of brand. But now, it's just a roll of the dice on whether or not a Marvel project is going to be any good. Forget great. And as a longtime MCU fan, it's really depressing. And as you guys know, I've had other times in my life when I have been super depressed all the time.
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Starting point is 00:04:39 Personally, the one I'm looking forward to the most that I hope isn't canceled is armor wars. It's a great story that I'm going to explain to you just a little bit later. Now, in a little bit, I want to talk about armor wars because I think it is the biggest opportunity that Marvel has been squandering so far. It really should have been a centerpiece of the multiverse saga. But first, Colton Ogburn, can you walk me through all of these potential projects that Marvel might have canceled silently in the middle of the night, like so many daggers from the Black Riders and in Brie? Sure. So I went through and there are a few that I feel like we know they're going to come out. We know that they're not going to can Captain America
Starting point is 00:05:18 a fourth. That's not going to happen. Harrison Ford's in that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I went through and I pulled a few that I thought could be on the chopping block. And the first one is Ironheart. You know, we met Ironheart. Oh, that's interesting. Wakanda Forever. I love
Starting point is 00:05:34 her character. She felt a little shoehorned into the movie. Felt like they were trying to promote the Disney Plus show a little bit. Yeah, that's what I thought too. Yeah. No, I think the same, I thought the same thing at the time. I was like, look, this character's good, but she really doesn't It could have been any scientist in the movie, and it really felt like they were going,
Starting point is 00:05:52 this is our new strategy. We introduce characters in here, and then they get spinoffs. That show is in the can, right? Didn't they finish filming that last year? From what I understand, and, you know, that's what's unfortunate here. You know, we both made the point that we enjoyed the character. But I find myself asking on a lot of these that we're going to go through, who asked for this? You know, there's so many other things that I would love.
Starting point is 00:06:18 like them to focus on more so and yeah i i do believe iron heart has been in the can for a while and so the question becomes well if they're if they're going to release it why haven't they released it i mean even if they were going to do the echo thing and just drop it all at once but i believe you made the point a little earlier it it could it be so bad that they're like this is this is going to do more harm than good right right right yeah you know it's interesting with echo i've been in touch with some people from the show who have told me that they filmed six episodes that they wrote and film six episodes and i think it was can we get some toast um had a post where they talked about how they outlined what every episode was supposed to be and it seems like echo was more heavily
Starting point is 00:07:00 tied into daredevil born again like the original concept and they ended up just like kind of frankensteining that thing and like maybe to save money maybe just because they wanted to like introduce the elements that had to be introduced like wilson fist grinding for mayor so that one i kind of get with iron heart I've heard two different things. I've heard there's insider rumblings that the show is really not good and that they, that might be one reason it's getting buried. But the people who worked on the show,
Starting point is 00:07:27 I won't say who, but there were prominent people who worked on the show, who had an interview with a colleague of mine. And even with the cameras off, they were like, we are so excited about this. Like, you know, there's a thing where like, they'll tell people off the record, like this is good, but they off the record,
Starting point is 00:07:39 they were like, no, we are really excited to see the work we've done. So if it is canned, if it does go the way of Coyote versus Acme and back girl like we talked about earlier, it might be a shame because it sounds like it has, it's got an exciting cast, Anthony Ramos. I just, I hate to see it not see the light of day after all these people worked on it, even if it isn't that good. I would also hate for that to be the case. And, you know, it's unfortunate for, you know, anyone who has their show cut. But,
Starting point is 00:08:05 you know, you and I have both done like behind the camera stuff. I think when you're on set making a show, you can sometimes feel a little bit more confident. about it, then really you should. And maybe once that show or movie gets into the edit and you have to start, in Marvel's case, incorporating it into a wider universe, it can become a little problematic. So I'm hopeful that Kevin Feige will do whatever he needs to do. I hope he'll make that difficult choice, like Eiger mentioned in his quote. I hope it can just become a special presentation or something, that we still get to see whatever
Starting point is 00:08:41 that story was going forward. What else you got? What's next? next would be a show called vision quest which i didn't even realize oh man i wanted to see that yeah when i was going through the list i was like i completely forgot they even mentioned this so from what i understand vision quest would be about you know at the end of wanda vision white vision he flies off um out of wanda's hacks out of the library and supposedly teasing a return of the vision I personally thought it'd be something with, like, Young Avengers, but I think that's something that we'll talk about here shortly, probably.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Young Avengers, I don't see happening as well. Oh, no. I think Vision Quest is definitely on this list, primarily for the fact that I had even forgotten it was a thing. You seem upset by the fact that Vision is on this list. I do, because I love that character. I love the idea of an AI rediscovering his emotions. I want to see him and Wanda connect. Vision Quest so obviously is connected to the Young Avengers, the Vision.
Starting point is 00:09:40 got them together, and I just thought that it would have been a natural continuation of the story we've seen, you know, a character that's been in the movies who were all invested in. I mean, it is a lot. Like when they announced Vision Quest, I was like, God, that's a lot of shows. So I get it, but maybe a special presentation, Feigey? Maybe, Kevin, please? Do you Ryan see a scenario where maybe they could combine Vision Quest and a Young Avengers type thing, maybe into like a six-episode series? I thought they were always the same thing. I thought they were always the same thing. Were they? And, you know, do you want to talk about Young Avengers right now? Sure, yeah, go for it. So the thing about Young Avengers is, right, great comic book,
Starting point is 00:10:17 they've obviously been setting it up for a long time. With all these, like all these different heroes from different, you know, even Elijah, you know, and all these other characters who have been set up, not just like Kate Bishop and Kamala. So they obviously have Kate and Kamala and Cassie Lang setting up, set up at the end of the marvels. He was just become a part of a much larger universe, which at the moment is just me, mostly. I do have feelers out though. Did you know Amon had a daughter? I think a lot of people, though, are looking at it and going,
Starting point is 00:10:49 oh, like you just said, who asked for this? Well, I've been asking for this, right? I loved Kate Bishop, Kamala Khan, a delight, the highlight of the marvels. I like, I like quantum mania, you like the Flash. Sometimes, you know, we're rebels who are ahead of the curve from the rest of society. But I can understand why people after quantum mania went, oh God, Clearly, they're setting up Cassie Lang to be in the Young Avenger, but yes, no, they're setting up Cassie Lang to be in the Young Avengers.
Starting point is 00:11:11 This is really fun stuff. And I just, I really hope this project goes forward because they've obviously been setting it up, even though they haven't announced it yet. Well, you know, I'm also excited for the idea of a Young Avengers. My only question was, how do you market something like that? I don't think you actually call the film Young Avengers. I think a title like that works in comics.
Starting point is 00:11:31 I don't know that it works in a movie. And in a situation like that, if you're doing Young Avengers, I think Spider-Man would be on the Young Avengers, you know, if it really is like an age-qualifying thing. That was the whole thing in the comic, too, where he was like mentoring other teenage superheroes. He was an adult, but it's a whole thing. I mean, the thing about Young Avengers, though, is like, if Hulkling's not in it, that you don't get the relationship between Hawkeling and Billy, and that's a whole other thing, too, that, like, is the heart of that comic book.
Starting point is 00:11:56 And Hulkling, I'm guessing, has been replaced with Scar because why else would they throw a scar into the end of Shehawk, you know? Sorry, you were saying? I was just going to say, I think. that if you do young avengers that would need to be in a situation where you are setting them up to be the new avengers your new lineup so maybe that's something that need would need to come after secret wars my also my other concern was something like they won't be young by then though like yeah exactly all of these young inventors are going to be in their mid thirties by the time secret wars comes out yeah they'll just be avengers yeah or maybe a senior living avengers if it takes too much longer so yeah next on my list is Agatha and that show has had like three different titles do you know the current title I think no I don't I don't know the current title because it's after four o'clock right now and I think it's already changed they've said that the reason it's had these
Starting point is 00:12:50 different titles is because it's part of the the trickster nature of Agatha oh look I think it's the trickster nature they don't know what the hell they're doing I don't know when they announced that show it was in the same breath as like echo and stuff and we were all like, oh my God, Moon Night, yeah. And the Moon Night trailer came out that same day. And then we saw that. We were like, okay, I guess the show, let's see what you got. And I think it's really just built on the popularity of Catherine Hahn, who is amazing.
Starting point is 00:13:18 That's one I'm optimistic about, because isn't that a show they have confirmed us coming out this year, like September, October? Yeah, I believe it's in the can. It's done. They've put it in advertising, so I think it's good to go. But as you talked about a little earlier, could it be a... show that, you know, if it's not very good, could they pull it? I don't put it past them pulling it. However, you did just mention Catherine Hahn. I also love Catherine Hahn. And she was one of the best parts, I think, of Wanda Vision, an already great show. I promise I won't bite. I actually did
Starting point is 00:13:51 bite a kid once. Okay, so that's Agatha. They may even echo that and they may put all of all of that in one episode or like dump it all in a day. Let's just say that might happen. What's next? Maybe so. Next is an untitled Akoye show, which would star Denai Guerrera. You know, she's made a big return, you know, with The Walking Dead, the ones you live, playing Michone. She is a beloved character in the Wakanda movies. I would personally prefer to see her just carry, you know, future Black Panther movies.
Starting point is 00:14:25 I think this show was probably announced during a time where they felt the need that they really needed to push Disney Plus. And so I think this is totally one of the shows, yeah, I think this is totally one of the shows that is going to get canned, but not, you know, for any, not for any reason like, oh, it was bad or we're moving away from that character. No, I think she's going to have a prominent role in future Black Panther stories, but maybe we don't need, you know, another show. And I think that this one probably hasn't even begun filming, so I think it's an easy one to cut, at least for now. Maybe it'll come back later. Yeah, I've always thought that the end of Wakanda Forever definitely was trying to set up Iron Heart and also set up her spinoff when she rescues Ross from the van, who may or may not have been a scroll, who knows. Yeah, that's a shame because I love Denai Guerrera.
Starting point is 00:15:17 She's a great playwright, too. But I kind of see this in a way, like there's certain projects that have been teased where I think we can combine them. And actually, we have a video coming up in just a few days about different MCU teasers that haven't paid off. and we have some theories on how those can be combined. So hopefully that story continues on alongside one of these other ones you're going to talk about, maybe. What else you got? Yeah, hopefully.
Starting point is 00:15:41 And that's not the only Wakanda spinoff. There's another, there's like a Wakanda animated series, and there's lots of animated stuff. Which they have a trailer for. They've been working on that. Yeah. Yeah, and there's Marvel Zombies. We have what if, I think what if season three is already done.
Starting point is 00:15:56 They released like a scene from it, like, right after the season two finale. So it kind of seems like things. They might really be going in with animation. We've got X-Men 97. Spider-Man freshman year, more seasons of X-Men 97. You're right. And that's interesting because there was a point leading up to what if season two where they were like there were rumbles that Marvel animation was not a success.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just going to ask, is there any reason that they would, like, do animation over live action? Is there any reason that they would be pushing the animated shows over the live-action shows? Just cheaper. I would think they're cheaper. The voice talent, you know, you either. get the people or you don't, and if you have to replace Robert Downey Jr., you can.
Starting point is 00:16:36 And they probably are looking at it and going, and there's probably just data behind it that says, there has to be a reason why they dropped what if in a week, you know, where they realize that they probably get more subscribers or they sustain more subscribers through their kid-friendly animated programs might be an answer. I don't know. I'd have to hack into Disney's servers and look at their data. Okay, so more animation. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Marvel animated so far. What's next? Yeah. This one's going to really hurt you. WonderMane. No, they're filmed. Well, a guy did die. That's really sad, actually. A stuntman died on that show. That was unfortunate. Yeah, that is really sad. I'm not sure if they've resumed filming or not after that. I got to be honest with you, you've kept up with that show way more than I have. I know you're a big fan of the character. Remind me, who's playing Wonder Man? Yaya Abdul Mateen II. And it's... And you liked him for Kang, right? I thought, yeah, I thought he would have been a good cane.
Starting point is 00:17:35 He was a good Black Manta, but I really wanted to see him. Really, he's just great. Like, I could see him in any role as a super. He was great in the Watchman, great as Black Manta. He's great in the Matrix. That's a shame because that is a really fun character who I think would have really thrived in the tone of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and maybe even setting up a West Coast Avengers team with Sheehawk.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Kate Bishop, you know, would have been a great addition to that team too. That's, I'd be a shame because that show has so much potential to be, like Sheehawk, you know what I mean? It's like lighthearted parody of show business in a way where Shehawk, I think, struggled with that line that we've talked about in the past between parody and reality.
Starting point is 00:18:12 They would have nailed it. Well, and the case with all these characters is it's not necessarily because they're bad. I think for some of these shows, it will be because it just doesn't hold up to the quality that we expect for Marvel Studios and that they want to try to get back to. But even if all of these shows were decent,
Starting point is 00:18:30 it's a lot of characters. And I think that that is hurting, like you just mentioned, with Wonder Man. Wonder Man can be a great addition to the MCU. But when you're also introducing five, six, seven other characters right alongside him, it makes it difficult for fans and the general audience to focus in and follow what's going on with the MCU. I think it's overwhelming. Yeah, and at this point, I keep bemoaning the lack of a Shang Chi sequel, because Shang Chi is the only character from face, solo character from Phase 4 who is introduced,
Starting point is 00:19:02 with an origin story. You know, you had the Eternals, you have Shang Chi. And I'm going, okay, so the Eternals I get, not fast-tracking that sequel, but, you know, with Shang-Chi, they've taken the director and put him on Avengers instead. And it's like, it'll be years
Starting point is 00:19:14 because Marvel was so focused, and Disney as a brand was so focused on expansion and building out instead of building up. So, yeah, I guess. Remember when an age of Ultron, it seemed like there were too many characters, too many new characters to keep track of? And now it's like, if you were going to put
Starting point is 00:19:28 all these characters in something, I mean, look, I don't like you guys who watch the show a lot, no, just make an Avengers movie. Bring them all together. Give us a reason to just say, okay, so this one's going to explain everything. Give us a reason to feel like we have to watch everything. Maybe that's what the real key here is. Yeah, and that's another, that's a great point because when they made the first Avengers movie
Starting point is 00:19:51 and with Avengers Age of Ultron, those weren't popular characters. Those were characters in a really good movie that fans fell in love with. So I think you're exactly right on that. This next one's near and dear to my heart, played. This movie has been through rewrites, fired directors, strikes. I can't remember if they were trying to get it off the ground during COVID. This movie has just been plagued with. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:17 And, you know, it's got a great lead, Mahershal Ali. It's a recognizable brand name. It's coming home for Marvel. It's the first Marvel film that was not a giant flop. So I think they really wanted to do right by it. And it's set up. I mean, Mercia Ali's already been in the MCU
Starting point is 00:20:32 as a voiceover at the end of the Eternals, but he's there. And it seems like they, I heard that they were trying out, trying out different drafts with Dane Whitman. It didn't really work. Now Dane Whitman might be appearing in Moon Night Season 2 is the latest rumor I've heard.
Starting point is 00:20:49 But, you know, rumors are rumors, who really knows. But that'd be a shame. It's another example of something that never would have occurred, I don't know, five, six years ago.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Right. You know, during the Infinity saga when Kevin Feige was paying just as close attention to every single project. There was no project that got more attention over the other. And I think that Blade
Starting point is 00:21:12 is yet another example of him being spread way too thin. Speaking of... The production of Blade reminds me a lot of the DCEU. All these projects like Cyborg and Flash that just were never materialized because they couldn't get the right script,
Starting point is 00:21:25 couldn't get the right director because there was the amount of focus they needed. All right. Well, what's next? Speaking of that corner of the MCU, there's Moon Night Season 2. Now, with Moon Night, it was originally just going to be like a thing of its own. You know, no season two. But then after the first season came out, you know, people liked it.
Starting point is 00:21:45 There were talks of perhaps doing a season two. Hi. We talked about how perhaps they could combine some of these shows or movies into different things. Blade, you know, you could do an awesome Midnight Suns type movie or show and showcase all of these great characters and really put them in a different corner of
Starting point is 00:22:09 the MCU. You know, Feige talked about the different corners of the MCU he was trying to build and I'm all for that, you know, with Werewolf by Night, that was an interesting corner of the MCU. I'm fine with, yeah, and I'm totally, I kind of like the idea of
Starting point is 00:22:25 if Feige wanted to take someone who's been working under him for a long time, and has his same eye for what is successful. If they wanted to spin off and kind of have their R-rated department that did things that were, kind of like with what they did with Echo, Marvel Searchlight, right? It was a different manner.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Spotlight, spotlight, yeah. I love that idea of having like a little bit of a different section where they can expand and do more stuff, and that way Feige isn't spread thin on the mainline, you know, MCU Marvel Studios. type stuff with the Avengers and all of that interconnection that that might be their way to still produce more but at the same time not spread too thin and lose quality or just like you know if they're doing the midnight suns do the midnight suns instead of giving us a season two of moon night
Starting point is 00:23:13 have season two of moon night show these connections right like you said so just the screen ran article the first search that came up has a couple little interesting notes when the moon the moon night blue ray is about to drop and they're calling it the complete first season instead of the complete series which seems to indicate that they plan on the season two. And Feigey has indicated that Moon Knight will return. Really? Really? It's Oscar Isaac. Of course, he's going to return. I don't know, man. Maybe if they want to bring Oscar Isaac back, they do it to elevate the ag at the show and Werewolf by Night,
Starting point is 00:23:45 and maybe they've learned from not having an Avengers film in Phase 4, and they want to start bringing these guys together. Yeah, and you make a good point about, I mean, with Oscar Isaacs and Moon Knight being such a beloved character, all of these characters are great characters and I hope that even if their movies or shows aren't are cut that we still get to see the character in some way shape or form you know you don't have to have a movie or show for every single character there's a such thing as a really good supporting character that's what Wanda Scarlet Witch and Vision that's what they were for a long time they
Starting point is 00:24:17 showed up in Captain America and the Avengers movies and they were just as part a bigger part of a team as all the other characters that's what Tony Stark was after Iron Man three. He didn't have solo movies. He showed up in Avengers movies. Well, we got to be near the end of this chopping block, man. Who else do we have that's... Well, here's the big one. I think that perhaps Avengers 5, aka what was formerly known, you know, as the Kang Dynasty, could be getting totally chopped because they, I thought that they got rid of Kang Dynasty. What's going on? What do you mean? Explain yourself. I'm confused. Well, here's what I mean. They announced when they, when they announced the phase six slate for the multiverse saga. They announced Fantastic Four to be at the
Starting point is 00:25:03 beginning of that phase. And then we had Avengers 5 and 6, which were going to be Avengers the King Dynasty and Avengers Secret Wars, kind of similar to what they did with Infinity War and endgame. Now, there are a few possibilities. If you'll remember back when they first announced Infinity War, it was called Infinity War Part 1 and Infinity War Part 2, and then they changed that around. I think two things are possible. I'm not doing a technicality here. We know King Dynasty is gone. What I mean by getting rid of Avengers 5,
Starting point is 00:25:32 I think that we could see whatever date that movie was supposed to come out and that slot. I think that that could just evaporate and we see Avengers Secret Wars, which was going to be the sixth Avengers film, essentially become Avengers 5. I don't know that we're going to see another movie, say Avengers versus X-Men, replace Avengers 5. We could just see them take Secret Wars, slide it over into that slot, and say, this is the big finale to the Multiverse suck.
Starting point is 00:26:03 You're saying that instead of getting two Secret Wars movies, I think we'll get three Secret Wars movies, to be honest with you. I think they're going to do, yeah, I think they're going to go nuts with it because, frankly, you know, it's 2024, we're behind on Avengers movies at this point. Yeah, dude, imagine if they did Secret Wars part one, two, and three, and they just released them a year after you. year like 26 27 28 I bet again you're getting into like that's just just it's taken so long we've been busy introducing moon night and rie rewiliams instead of just give us an avengers movie
Starting point is 00:26:35 that's that's my big takeaway so the last one I think that I want to talk about is armor wars so near and dear to my heart Colton thanks so much for your list I deeply appreciate it you guys know you can find Colton socials below he's here on screen crush all the time Give him a shout on Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it, let him know what you think of all his picks so far. So of all the projects that Colton I just talked about, I am devastated the most by the potential loss of Armor Wars. Now, this started off as a show that was announced three years ago that to them was changed into a movie. And like, there's nothing wrong with that. Some shows work better as movies and vice versa.
Starting point is 00:27:08 Moon Knight should have been a movie. Eternals should have been a show. Exactly. But Armour Wars should have been fast tracked to release, like right after Endgame. Presumably, it would have been based on the 1980s comic book story of the same name. In this crossover, Tony Stark's worst nightmare comes true. His technology falls into the hands of his villains, and Tony and all the other superheroes have to fight to put the genie back in the bottle.
Starting point is 00:27:30 In the MCU, Armor Wars would have focused on Rody, played by the amazing actor Don Cheadle. Fans love Don Cheadle. I'm like, boom, you looking for this? Rody was Iron Man in the comics for a long time, and he could have easily been the new Iron Man in the MCU. Don Cheadle could have led this franchise. Like, imagine an Armor Wars movie where Rodey is trying to,
Starting point is 00:27:49 trying to secure his best friend's legacy. After Tony's death, maybe Justin Hammer or Ezekiel Stain, the son of Obadiah Stain, actually hack into Tony's gear and make their own Iron Man suits. Rody now realizes that there will have to be an Iron Man, and if it's not him, it's going to be some villain. So then he would have to step up and take the mantle. And we could have even had Sam Wilson show up and encourage him along, just like Rody did for Sam in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I say you're going to make me ask, why didn't you take up the mantle?
Starting point is 00:28:16 But instead, the Multiverse saga has fumbled one of their best, legacy characters. Rody could have been the heart of this saga, but instead he's been reduced to cameos and frankly the lamest scroll reveal of all time. Like the reveal that Rody was a scroll lacked any impact on the Secret Invasion show, but it would have been a great setup for armor wars. Rody finds out that an evil alien has been wearing his face for years, damaging his personal life, letting Tony's secrets slip out to supervillains, and now Rody would have to repair all of that damage while also embracing his new role as a leader of the Avengers.
Starting point is 00:28:51 That is why Armour Wars is the number one show that I want to see Feige hone in on and focus on and make a centerpiece of these new shows, the new saga that's coming up. I mean, frankly, the Multiverse saga has been hit and miss, but what I think we've really needed the whole time was just a darned Avengers movie where Rodey as Iron Man could take the lead and reform this team. Well, guys, that's just my thoughts. But let us know your thoughts down in the comments below or at me on Twitter. And if it's your first time here, please subscribe and smash that bell for alerts.
Starting point is 00:29:15 For Screen Crush, I'm Ryan Erie. I'm going to be.

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