ScreenCrush: The Podcast! - Is Daredevil: Born Again Repeating a Big Marvel Disney+ Mistake?

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

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What do you mean? Well, I'll explain a little bit. later, but before I get negative, I want to talk about what worked in this episode. Then I'm going to bring along my friends Dave and Tommy to tell me why I'm right or wrong. And as always, remember, you can listen to us everywhere you find your favorite podcast, and we have a massive merch sale right now where we are cleaning out our old stockroom. So get your Daredevil parody merch like The Hallway Fight, Fis Can Fix at Yard Sign, Nelson and Murdoch Law & Order, and many more by clicking the links below.

Now, before I get into the nitpicks about this episode, I really do want to praise the writing on this show. I think it takes a lot of guts for the producers to keep Matt out of costume for so many episodes. And I've seen the memes Ian Malcolm saying you actually plan on having Daredevil in your Daredevil show, don't you? But the show is focusing on Matt Murdoch first and Daredevil second. This past episode is about Matt reflecting on his entire life, as three conversations make him re-evaluate his childhood trauma, his career as a lawyer, and his life as a vigilante. Some of the best Daredevil stories, like the original Born Again, barely feature Matt in his suit. And what makes Daredevil a great character isn't his powers or his costume, it's this insane guilt that drives Matt.

Unlike Spider-Man, Matt can't shut out the cries of people in pain. He is compelled, often against his will, to be a vigilante. Now, so far, this series has done a brilliant job of showing the internal conflict inside Matt Murdoch, but then marrying it with Wilson Fisk. In this last episode, Fisk feels powerless when he should be at the height of his power. He can't control the city or the underworld. His wife drifted away from him, and he simply cannot adapt to this new, legit world. Wilson Fiske continues to be the best villain in the MCU.

He's layered, complex, childish, and I actually really want to see him use beyond the small screen as a greater threat to other heroes in this universe. Matt is also feeling the futility of his life. He argues a brilliant case to save Hector's life, but then Hector dies anyways. He does what Foggy always wanted, he works within the system, but then he is forced to watch the system punish people like Leroy and Hector. And worst of all, he gets a moral talking to from Frank Castle, a murderer who Matt brought to justice in season two.

He even says in this episode, You ever feel like you're pushing a rock up a hill? And there's a bunch of people on the other side pushing it back. But that is exactly who Matt Murdoch is. He's a loser because he believes that he deserves to lose. None of these stories would have been improved with Matt Murdoch wearing a costume. However, I also think that this show has fallen into a maraud. Marvel Disney Plus trap. It needs to expand its focus outside of Matt Murdoch and Wilson.

What do you mean? Well, in this show, there are only ever two plot lines, Matt and Wilson. But in the original show, we had multiple A, B, C, and sometimes D plots. For instance, in season one, Matt, Ben, Karen, and Foggy continue different investigations of Fisk that culminate in the final showdown when they finally work together. And in later seasons, this expanded to other characters like Benjamin Poindexter, Punisher, Ray Nadine. They all got their own storylines. And then all those storylines culminate in the final showdown. It's a little structure that I like to call regular television. You know, there are great shows like The Sopranos or Star Trek The Next Generation or The Wire

that could deftly handle multiple stories that reflect an episode's theme. But Disney Plus shows don't really do that. Think about most Marvel Disney Plus shows. Most of the time, they only focus on one character, the protagonist, with occasional cutaways to the antagonist. Falcon of the Winter Soldier, Loki, Loki, Wondivision, Moon Knight, Shehawk, Miss Marvel. They all primarily follow the hero or the hero's sidekick, and then they cut away to the external forces that challenge the hero. Now that's a structure that you're more likely to see in a superhero movie. Like think Ramey's Spider-Man, Peter's the main character, Mary Jane is the side character, and Norman Osborne is the villain.

The problem with this is, in a TV show, you have so many more hours at your disposal to flesh out these other characters. TV should feel like you're part of an extended family, with a variety of different storylines that support one another. Sometimes the stories don't interconnect, but they have parallel or opposing themes. So far, Daredevil Born Again has done a fantastic job showing the parallel journeys of Wilson Fisk and Matt Murdoch. As the kingpin rises, Daredevil falls. However, the BB on the street interviews aren't really doing enough to show us New York. We get soundbites of people telling us things that are actually usually too vague to make any sense. Good versus evil. Evil versus evil. Good versus good.

Is New York going to make it? No. Do you want answers for me? I don't have them. Like, no one talks like that. Like, I would rather see B.B. Urick continue her investigation of the Fisk seaside story. Maybe, like her uncle in the comics, she could figure out that Matt is daredevil and then work to draw him back into the costume. Or, and this is crazy, imagine if Hector had been an actual character in the show from the start instead of a one and done appearance that was only there to further Matt Murdoch's character development.

I want to see this show act more like traditional TV because it's pretty great. It's already been renewed for season three, so I know that we're going to get a larger supporting cast, which is one of the best parts of the Daredevil comics. Now, I do have a thought on where I want to see the supporting cast go in season two that I want to tell you guys about, but first, let's hear from Tommy and Dave. But now I've got to talk to my own supporting cast. We have Tommy Beck told the guy who's always on break and the Dave Gonzalez co-author of the wonderful book, The Rain of Marvel Studios. Dave, Tommy, I want to get your guys' thoughts on this episode and whether or not you think that the show's a little bit thin on supporting cast.

Dave, let's start with you. What did you think about episode four? I liked it. I liked it. This no supporting cast is Michael Gandalfini slander, and I will not stand for it. He's not a main character. He had, like, one scene that didn't involve Fist or Daredevil. No one knows anything about him. He's going to connect the BB and Fisk plots. He's going to be doing so much on the Fisk side, and I cannot wait. Mostly, I'm happy that the show is giving him the space to put him on basically toe-to-to-to-sees with, like, Vincent Dinafrio.

I think he's a good enough actor to do that. And ultimately, that's what's going to make me invest more in his character is things like these really like meeting scenes where he's basically saying you absolutely should fire me and talking Fisk into not firing him. I think that stuff's great. He's great. And just just just just, just, just, just so you know I'm not hating on my boy, my young Tony. He, um, in the first episode, had that whole thing about Mayor Fist. That's the coolest nothing thing I've ever heard. That did more to explain how Fisk got elected than all of the BB on the street interviews. So props to him there. I want to know something else about him, though, other than he's from Staten Island. I mean, that's also fine. I agree

with that, and I also agree that if you're going to make a nod towards a second White Tiger, maybe make it less isolated than one scene at the beginning of episode four. But I'm assuming we're going to come back to that, and that isn't something that we lost in the retooling of this season. But I

will say that I hear what you're talking about. It maybe needs to expand its world a little bit more, but I was mostly just like very, very happy with how writers, Jesse Wigato, who's one of the consulting producers, and then also David Feige, who despite his last name, no relation, but he is a very good, uh, legal writer. And so when we have this

episode that has stuff with like Leroy and has stuff with like the, we're setting up a showdown with the dirty cops later on, it blends so well with, uh, more in universe stuff like all the conversations with the Punisher. I think this episode, even though it might have been light on supporting cast was great in melding together like a very, uh, specific New York story with our daredevil mythology that we're following from the next. Netflix series. Yeah, and like I said, I'm going to talk about this a little bit later, but in terms of like the crooked cops, there's Officer Cole, who is really important in the Daredevil

run, the Mayor Fisk run, because he's this regular cop who gets tasked with hunting down these vigilantes. So I am looking forward to seeing, there's rumors he's going to be in this series. I hope he is, but like I said, I'll talk about that later on. Before I get into what Dave said, Tommy, I want to get just your loose thoughts on this. What are we thinking here as far as this episode? I got to get back to work in a second here. but I, you know, I'm just glad that we finally got a scene from the true most important

double F in Marvel properties, and that's Fiddle Faddle. We had a lot of Fiddle Faddle talk, and I have to agree with your main thesis, Ryan, it's a little thin on who do we care beyond Daredevil and Fisk in this show. You know, it's like, or Matt Murdoch in Fiske right now. I, you know, I think that there is, we see the Punisher reintroduced in this episode, and obviously I think in the next episode he's going to have a larger role. But I don't really, we don't have the Karen and Foggy effect that we had before in previous shows where it's like it's really just Daredevil, Matt Murdoch, his girlfriend, and then his workwife, right?

Like, it's like that's kind of what we're interacting with. And we don't know anything about them, really. Oh, exactly. Their interactions with Matt. Well, so which is my point. They decidedly do not pass the Bechdel test or the Bechtold test. But in this case, the Bechdale test isn't about, it is about just Matt and Kingpin. It doesn't have to be about like, the Bechtold test.

I got you. I just got that. I'll see myself out. No, come back. So, Dave, Dave, let me follow up on what you were saying there. Do you, well, no, sorry, no, we have to revisit the Fiddle Faddle. I got to say, Charlie Cox, and the way he's able to deliver words like fiddle faddle and magical amulet in this show, amazing. I tweeted the other day.

I was like, he delivers that with the same sincerity as Michael Kane saying, this is old Fossey Wigswob a chicken factory. Really, to sell these kind of movies, like Anthony Hopkins is Odin, you've got to sell some really weird, silly sounding stuff. And I personally took fiddle fattel very seriously based on what he said. I always do. Personally. Yeah, I think, you know, it harkens back to one of the best performances I thought was Linda Cardalini as, uh, as Clint's wife when she's like telling him to go face Ultron. And it's like, you know, she's talking about a AI powered, you know, synthesisoid or robotic being. And she's like acting as though he's going to like fight the Russians. And I thought that she, she kind of set the tone in the MCU in terms of like adding earnest stakes to a fantastical situation. Yeah. And also one of my favorite parts of that scene is when she, she looks out at everybody and he's like, well, you don't think they need me. And she's like, no, what scares me is they do need you.

Man, Clint Barton, Clint Barton, like that scene in the show, way off topic, but that scene in his show where she's like, how'd you lose your hearing? And then they cut back to all the battles and you get to see that like human side of the Avengers, really underused character. But Dave, back to your thoughts on the show, right? Do you think that they're prepping us to widen this and they're just starting with these characters? Because it is essentially like repiliting, right, the show.

or do you think it needs it at this point? I mean, I'm going to do a whole bunch of speculation here. Actually, you know, we'll start with what we know. What we know is they filmed six episodes, then they decided to retool it during the SAG After Strike of 2023, in which they basically, like, wrote a whole new pilot and then wrote some more storylines to connect it more to the Netflix show. From what we've seen so far,

this feels like the most original show, this is the original show, where it is very much more New York focused in a way that the Netflix series kind of wasn't. And, like, we even get an F-bomb from a little girl about how she hates the city at the very beginning of this episode. And you can see how it's, like, slowly building, but it also feels like it's doubling up some of the stuff

that we saw in episode one. So they had to sort of make the big showdown with Bullseye in episode one to have the Punisher conversation feel real, and ADR, him saying the word Bullseye when he's off screen, which is fine because I feel like, I didn't really even notice that. That's good. It's all coming together, so I think they've done some good parts. But the interesting thing about this episode is I could see why it's probably not going to be super popular.

It's very light on things that we would call superhero things. It actually has probably more in common with like a legal drama at this point outside of the white tiger mask, getting shoved in a bag at the very beginning at the episode. But that being said, I feel like with this series, what I hope what they did is to when they retooled it was, to build it to have more of a satisfying arc. So I hope that we are right in the middle of this build. And when either Wilson or Matt slash Daredevil explodes, it's going to be huge.

Like right now, if I had to guess, like five cops are going to come for Matt Murdoch, and that's going to be the thing that breaks the camel's back. And I can't wait for that. I feel like we've really built to that. And we might not have a lot of characters, but those two core characters, I think, are very strong in what their positions are

and what their difficulties are. So this is kind of where I want a show to be in its mid-season. Well, I mean, two of the strongest actors and characters in the MCU. And like I said earlier, I think King Penn is probably the best MCU villain, period, to the point where I'm like, I just want to see him in more stuff, which is a good problem to have. It's interesting you talk about the six episodes of a reshot because I was about to ask you which six, which then you answered.

This episode in particular, I think, had zero action. Am I right there? Like, nary a fight. And I'm not saying I want the show to become like the fly. which in its later couple seasons, it seemed like it was about every single character except the flash. I just think that there's ways that they could augment their story by fleshing out the people around them a little bit more. So maybe it feels a little bit less like this direct, like we're only talking about Matt Murdoch in this. But again, look, I'm nitpicking.

I mean, the episode was about multiple conversations, Tommy, you know. But did the drama propel you forward or do you need more smashy, smashy in your Daredevil shows? You know, I'm a big fan of those Daredevil style fight scenes that are just like brutal fighters getting out of breath and like just one more punch has to kill this guy and then it doesn't. I always love that. But I felt that this episode was important for the little things in it. You know, we get the casual mention of scrolls in this episode, which is like not insignificant in the sense that, you know, we're all kind of on our heels with the S word, right? like secret invasion kind of landed like such a lead balloon that it's like are we just going to kind of like move away from scrolls and like revisit them whenever it's like no they're a part of this world and now they can be a legal scapego and that to me if you have a show that prominently features an attorney we need to have more scroll based you know litigation we need to have more snap based litigation in my mind there that yeah this episode didn't feature you know karate chops and you know Hurricane Rana's and, you know, all the good action that we get from Marvel fight scenes.

But I don't know. For me, I didn't leave the episode going, I'm owed a fight scene. I do feel like I want more, I want more three-dimensional side characters. I'm with you on that. I hate to keep banging that drum. But in terms of the action, like, I just trust the process that we're going to get plenty of it in the coming episodes. You know, one thing I did like about the scroll mentioned is not only does it, like, help to acknowledge secret invasion, but it also acknowledges that we're in a world where this weird stuff

happens. And even just the way Matt immediately dismissed it, it's really good writing because it's telling us, oh, this must come up a lot. You know, we saw a light elf changing form and Shehawk. We know this is a universe where mind control must happen. There must be legal. And just the fact that he dismisses it is done so much better than say, Holdo maneuver. Well, that's a one and a million shot. We can't possibly do that again. I thought that was a really nice way to weave it into the rest of the world. I don't want to keep harping on the supporting cast, right? One thing I do want to get into and kind of mention is the, I love the slow burn that we're getting here. We're not going straight into like, in a typical show, the mayor Fisk thing

probably would have been resolved already, right? He would have been caught at the end of the episode and a procedural. This show's not afraid to like really drag us along and really dive into these characters and to make the situation feel more hopeless for Matt. Dave, what is it you think can drive Matt even further into the ground with Mayor Fisk that we haven't seen yet. Because so far we've just, like this episode is about both of them being frustrated and trying to learn to forgive people. But the fact that they both feel kind of impotent in a way or emasculated and they can't do the things they used to do, what do you think's going to happen to Matt to really drive him down? I mean, if it's a two-hander, uh, that they need each other.

So what could get Matt to come out could be Fisk hitting some sort of blocking. So if Fis does in his comic thing go really anti-vigilante, maybe Matt gets out of that. But I do think at this point, the way the tension has been building with the dirty cops, the Punisher cops, there's going to be a situation where if Matt tries to face that problem is anybody but Daredevil, he's going to get more people like Hector Hurt. He's going to turn the cops against the people. So if you're going to do it, turn the cops against the vigilante, be the dark night that the city needs.

And I think that would also, if Matt pops that, it gives Fisk more power to be more villainous. So I think if I had to predict, that's the direction it's going to go, is these cops are going to try to push back on Matt Murdoch. At this point, they just think is a blind guy you could fight, which is not great detective work, but cops don't do good detective work. Detectives do detective work. So I can't wait to see when that conflict comes to a head. I do think they're eventually going to put together that, hey, the night Daredevil disappeared was the night Matt Murdoch's best. friend died on top of the bar where Matt Murdoch was just drinking. Well, didn't they inoculate themselves with the fake Daredevil with Bullseye in season

three? Like, can they do that plot again? Oh, that's true, sure, sure. I mean, Matt's been outed several times in the comics. He's had Spider-Man stand in for him. He's done this, that. The really interesting thing was in the Brian Michael Bendis run. It became a thing where it was an open secret on the streets. Yeah, I guess I'm Daredevil shirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people, well, no, that was later. That was Mark Wade. Yeah, that was great, too. But earlier, but earlier, it was like in the underworld, people knew that Matt was Daredevil, but Fisk told everybody, don't do shit with this, don't touch Matt Murdoch.

So it kind of like caused a lot of people in the streets to resent Wilson Fisk for that. And we might see the same thing happen in the police force. Like Powell and these guys might put this together, and they could go after Heather. They could go after, well, Karen's in San Francisco, but maybe that's one reason why, you know, we'd keep getting Heather in this show not really as a character, but as somebody to support these other two. So that could be something, too. Them going after Heather and then getting Fisk and Daredevil both against them would be a really bad move for the police. But a fun thing to watch for us television viewers.

True. Tommy, what do you think Fiske's plan is here? Because all we've seen so far as his go-to, I want to build new real estate and listen to Latvia and children's choirs. What do you think he actually, what's his vision for the city? Why did he become mayor? Well, I mean, I feel like his vision is to try to. eliminate these rival gangs via like bureaucracy this time like he's like I'm going to crush them via like the power of this office which is you know kind of hearkening a little too close to our reality but I I feel like the why would he want to be mayor you know what I mean like why

why would someone with usually malevolent intentions who doesn't always seem to present as though they believe that would want the office of the mayor and that's to me is to use all of the the power that comes with this being like the highest elected official in an area, whether that's, you know, giving his group and his organization access to things that the other gangs won't be able to get to, you know, doing things in public. He can kind of operate as a, as a gang leader or as a mob boss in public as the mayor. You know, many, many mayors of cities kind of have operated like that over the years where it's like it almost becomes a crime syndicate in the way that everyone's on the payroll. They're kind of untouchable by the law.

And, you know, I feel like his reasoning is, his reasoning for doing all of this is so that he can operate the way he wants to operate wide out in the open. I don't even know if he's interested in being a mob boss anymore. You know, when he threatened the kid in episode two, or maybe it was three, he didn't really threaten the kid's life. He just threatened to reveal who he was, right? And immediately he's like, the sandwich which tastes terrible. I kind of feel like as a gangster, he really just wanted to be a real estate developer. And he thinks that being mayor can help him cut through that red tape. Dave, same question to you. What do you think he's going to do here other than hating Daredevil? It seems like his

personal growth is Adam gets to live in a cage for the rest of his life instead of being beaten to death. So I don't know. I kind of have him running for mayor as sort of a hangover from where he was at Echo. Like if we were to believe the story arc of Echo, she did sort of like cure him of his pure childhood trauma at the end of that series. Obviously, what we know about Fisk and the history of magic hugs, that's probably not what actually happened, but him

going and drew being like, him leaving Vanessa and then coming back and trying to like recapture that and recapture some sort of I think credibility to be a better person for Vanessa, I think, is the best thing I could see. He's got to be Vanessa motivated. So I think the mayor

is more about him showing Vanessa that he's capable of changing and that he could be the person that is worthy of what she has become. Is it possible to be a good enough mayor that your wife can be the kingpin? I think that's where we're going, but they need to, you know, hash out the marriage first. Well, the irony here, I talked about this in episode two. You know, Vanessa used to be the pure part of his life, but he's dragged her into this life of crime where she's like Walter White. She enjoys it and she's good at it.

Even when she talks about buying art by Francis Bacon, it's just to use it to launder money, you know? Tommy, do you think that he, how much do you think Wilson Fiske still thinks about Daredevil, who, you know, ruined his life. He's not putting a contract out on Matt, and it seems like he genuinely enjoyed talking to him in episode one. But do you think that this is also just like revenge against vigilantes that he's got going on here? Well, I mean, I think that, I think it's, I think he has almost separated Matt Murdoch from Daredevil in his mind, right? Like he's like, the concept of vigilantes is still something that he very much, uh, is, is going to seek to weed out. But he has this weird kind of like, you know, almost enjoyment of Matt Murdoch that I, I, I personally find Matt Murdoch the attorney very obnoxious. I think he's like pompous and like, I think, and I think it's intentional.

I think he does a great job of being this like, this like irritating, yeah. being this irritating attorney. And, you know, as an actor, I admire being able to do that. But, yeah, I don't think that Wilson Fisk right now has, like, Daredevil on the brain. I think it's just the entire concept of vigilantes and the appearances of, like, people who think they're above the law. Like, he kind of wants to be the only one above the law. I don't like you're criticizing to Matt Murdox. It seems very ablest to me, but I'm going to do one.

So, Dave, let me ask you a question about the MCU. You look at old school MCU and you see what they would do is they'd introduce characters who team up, but then they would also introduce spinoff characters in movies. Spider-Man and Black Panther are introduced in Civil War. They spin off into their own films and they all come together again. Phase 4, 5, and 6 has been different because what we've gotten instead are, say, Disney Plus shows like Ms. Marvel or WandaVision that then lead into many team-up movies like the Marvels that just haven't quite hit as much. Do you think that Marvel is hoping that Daredevil Born Again is going to become like a kind of a father

to a street-level MCU on Disney Plus, like what the Netflix shows were very briefly? I think that would be really smart. For instance, we know one Buchanan Barnes is running for Congress from Brooklyn. That is really close. Oh, yeah. And he is somebody that has operated as a hero

without the benefit of having a secret identity unless he works for the Russians. So maybe if the vigilante thing starts getting kicked up, maybe the greater government can take a second away from caring about Adamantium and turn an eye towards New York, especially if some of the things we're hearing about Thunderbolts is true and that the Avengers Tower has a new owner that is not necessarily about keeping everybody in New York safe equally.

So I think there's a possibility in the second half or season two, however you want to talk about it, in more Daredevil Born again, to sort of bring more of the Marvel Universe in. And honestly, it has always felt weird because when these shows started, the Netflix series was allowed to reference things that had happened in Adventures

but otherwise they didn't get a whole bunch of characters that could cross over so they had to create their own universe I'm still waiting for the moment oh good they didn't really I've gone back and watched a lot recently they never really said the names oh if he had an iron suit or a magic hammer when Jessica Jones called Captain America the flag waiver I was like oh you're legally

not allowed to mention this like you're not like actually showing us They used one still from the Avengers on a newspaper headline, you know? But also, like, in Marvel Comics, there being one New York is what kicked off this whole cinematic universe idea. It is in the publishing world. Everybody lived in the same New York you lived in, and there were heroes, and, you know, Johnny Storm could flame by Spider-Man, could talk to Daredevil, all these sort of things. They have all the IP under the umbrella now. I am also surprised it has taken them this long to smash some of it together. I was not expecting for when it did happen for it to be the X-Men of Deadpool who got to come with all of their cast into the MCU before Netflix Daredevil did.

Yeah, it was supposed to be the opposite. For years, we wanted the rights to revert back to Marvel so we didn't have those bad X-Men movies. Then they bring in the bad X-Men characters. Tommy, what about you? Do you think that that's what the plan is here, that they're going to start small and then branch out? or are they, you know, are they still, like, maybe going to set Daredevil up for some kind of crossover movie along with other characters? What do you hoping to do? Well, I, yeah, I'm hoping that we can introduce this Daredevil into the big tentpole movies, Secret Wars and Doomsday.

Probably Secret Wars more so than Doomsday. But I just, yeah, I think it's difficult because we're kind of closing a chapter of the MCU, right? Like, we're about to go into Secret Wars, which will reset everything. So it's like how much do they really want to get into crossing over and introducing if it's going to all be. It's a soft reset, you know. All right, just a soft, just a bright light, white light reset. I personally love, I love this show. I love this world that they've created with it.

So I, I'm all for it. I agree, you have Bucky Barnes from Brooklyn. Why would you not have him make a campaign stop? Oh, I think by that he'll have already, you know, all that would be over. But maybe make an appearance to, you know, either be a thorn and Fisk's side for an issue or, you know, uh, or, or weirdly siding with Fisk at an issue, you know, politics makes strange bedfellows, of course. And then, uh, yeah, I just feel like, I have to just echo Dave's sentiment. It's like, the idea of like the one New York in the comics has always made it like

anything as possible. It's like, it's like a Christmas special where like, you never know who's going to drop by at the door. And like, then you add the element that like many of these characters can fly or can come in from a different universe. And it's like, really anyone can stop by. So, So my hope is that in season two, we get a little more MCU movie character crossover. I don't know how much we'll get, but I'd like at least a couple of appearances from characters from the MCU in season two. Well, there are certain characters we know we're going to cross over this season because they're in the trailer, Yusef Khan, people like that. What I'm hoping is to kind of combine your points is that they're able to take those characters and introduce them into the show in a way where they make sense. Like, you know, for instance, Darcy and Jimmy Wu and Wanda Vision made total sense.

the FBI are investigating, they need a scientist, so they grab these other people. I'm curious to see some of the cameos that are rumored for this season how well they work. Now, I am very excited about the possibility of kind of reuniting the defenders because I think they're setting this up perfectly to happen in the MCU, which is what I'm going to talk to you guys about. But first, I want to thank Dave and Tommy for coming along. Remember, you can check out all of their links and comments and socials down in the description below. Thanks, guys.

So in the comics, the kingpin becomes mayor and then forms an anti-vigilante task. Force. Now this is a huge deal. Cops get futuristic gear to chase down superheroes. And Matt rallies other heroes like Spider-Man, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist to face off against Fisk. And best of all, much of this story is told from the point of view of an ordinary detective who is assigned to the case. So when this guy talks about seeing Spider-Man lead 30 feet in the air, you really feel his amazement that anybody could have that kind of power. Now there are rumors that members of the defenders are returning for season two. Kristen Ritter took a selfie in New York, while they also happened to be filming season two, and Luke Cage's Harlem's Paradise got a tease in Times Square on this billboard. Now, the original Netflix shows were billed as this massive event, where all four shows would culminate in an Avengers-type team-up series called The Defenders. Now, look, we all know, the series wasn't the best, mostly because the hand are like the world's most boring villains.

But I still love that interconnectivity. It was so much fun to watch Matt, try to hide his true identity, and to see these different personalities butt up against each other. All around, I have been missing this kind of interconnectivity from the MCU lately, and I would love to see Daredevil once again become a flagship show to expand the scope of the street-level MCU. We're already getting a Punisher one shot, so why not bring back Cage and Jessica Jones? Hell, let's redeem Iron Fist with a kick-ass hour of television. Let's expand the supporting cast of these characters feel like lifelike people and not like objects in Matt Murdoch's story.

But guys, that's just my thoughts. Let me know what you think on Twitter or Blue Sky, or you can let me hear your thoughts down in the comments below, or in our free to join Discord server. And if it's your first time here, please subscribe and smash that bell for alerts. For Screen Crush, I'm Ryan Erie.