ScreenCrush: The Podcast! - Is Tobey Maguire's SPIDER-MAN Back for AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY?

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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There is a new rumor that Spider-Man is going to be an Avengers Doomsday, but it's not Tom Holland. Welcome back Screen Crush, I'm Ryan Erie, and that's right. According to a new rumor from a pretty reliable source, Toby McGuire might be the Spider-Man in Avengers Doomsday. This is something else. So I want to talk about this rumor and what it means for this movie in Avengers Secret Wars, and a little later I'm going to talk to Colton and Tommy about a new Ramey Spider-Man trilogy that could be set in the main universe, MCU. Say what?

Now, as always, this is a leak, not a little. studio announcement so we're not going to verify how accurate this information is. However, it does come from Daniel R.P.K, who has a really good track record, and I want to speculate on this, because it's a lot of fun. Tomorrow morning, Spider-Man, page one with a decent picture this time. Move Conway to page seven. So this big age of Marvel movies basically kicked off with three films, Blade, X-Men, and Spider-Man, and Spider-Man by far made the most money of the three. And you can also make the case that Ramey Spider-Man films are still unmatched by any other superhero movie. Now, the franchise fizzled out with Spider-Man 3, which had way too many characters because

producing Avi Arad, by his own admission, forced them to include venom in the movie so they could sell more toys. My bad, guys, that's my bad. Chris, very sorry. Ramey actually did want to make Spider-Man 4. He created storyboards. He was Ian John Malkovich for The Vulture, and reportedly Anne Hathaway as the Black Cat. But Sony had a deal with Marvel that said they had to always be producing a new Spider-Man film within a certain amount of time, or they would lose the wrong.

rights to the character. So they forced him to rush the film. He said it couldn't be done well in that amount of time. And then they, you know, the story they opted to reboot with Andrew Garfield instead. And then, you remember, Toby returned in Spider-Man No Way Home for a multiversal team up. Are you going to go into battle dressed as a cool youth pastor or you got your suit? So like No Way Home came out at the very beginning of the Multiverse saga and it showed us how much fun these stories could be. The film gave us the live-action Spider-Men team up, but it was not just fan service. The other Spider-Men actively helped out Peter by offering guidance. She told me that with great power,

comes great responsibility. Gets me every time. But it was also really fun seeing how they interacted. You can't do that, huh? No. How on Earth does that even? Anyway, we're getting sidetrack, look. And especially hearing them compare notes.

I fought an alien made out of black goo once. Oh, no way. I found alien too. But I was also interested to hear all these little hints about what's been happening in Toby's McGuire's world in the 15 years since we left him. There's his relationship with MJ. Took a while, but we made it work. And there's no ring on his hand, so they're not married. But remember, a major plot point of Spider-Man 3 was Peter trying to propose to MJ.

So maybe in their universe, they worked it out that it wouldn't be fair to be married if he's still Spider-Man, but they're still together. But also, think about that ending of Spider-Man No Way Home. The Peters worked together to cure three of Tony's villains, Green Goblin, Doc, and Sandman. Think about how that could have screwed up those universes. And then you'll understand why Toby is in this movie instead of Tom Holland. So, just like we learned in Loki, when a character ventures off their chosen path, it creates a branching timeline. And this is called a nexus event. So that means that if they save Norman Osborne, that's now going to be a branching timeline where he is now same. Same goes for Otto and Kane Marco. But there's also the possibility that there is no branching timeline. Remember, these villains were all

very lucid and contritious before they died. Don't tell Harry. Brilliant but lazy. So it could be that they were always plucked away at this moment and then return to this exact point in time. After all, Otto Octavius did appear in No Way Home on a bridge that's over the Hudson River, which of course is where he died in Spider-Man 2. But this would still mean that the Toby McGuire timeline is ground zero for creating at least three incursions. And I think this universe could be one of Dr. Doom's first targets in Avengers Doomsday. And I'm telling you, if that's the case in Toby's universe is in this movie, then this is going to be brutal.

So all we know about Avengers Doomsday are little snippets here and there, but we can tell, from context, clues, and the comics, that the multiverse is going to be threatened by incursions. Jim, please explain. An incursion occurs when the boundary between two universes erodes, and they collide. Destroying one or both entirely. So Toby's reality is potentially causing up to three inversions because of the events of No Way home. And Doom could show up to snuff out his entire universe before it can cause more damage to the multiverse. When you think Tony cried a lot in Spider-Man 3, get ready for him to see his entire universe destroyed. Now, before I bring on Colton and Tommy, I do want to explain why they would use Toby Spider-Man instead of Tom Holland.

For one thing, Kevin Feigy has a great affinity for this version of Spider-Man. One of his first gigs became being an associate producer on that film. Now, the Multiverse saga, I think, was always planned as a way to use like the Fox X-Men characters and give them a send-off before they were rebooted with new actors in the MCU. And for the same reason, I think Kevin Feigy would want to include, include Toby McGuire. And from a practical standpoint, Tom Holland was also filming his new movie, brand new day, while they were filming Doomsday. It would be really hard to accommodate both films if he had a major role in The Avengers. So it just makes more sense to cast Toby McGuire.

However, casting Toby in the movie is not just fan service. It's also going to provide some much-needed connective tissue. Are what do you mean that? Legaments? No, no, no. In the Infinity Saga, we had multiple films where we could follow different character storylines, which all came together in Avengers Endgame. But in the multiverse, saga, it's mostly been like one-off movies or single seasons of TV shows. So there's not exactly a clear through line, like apart from like multiverse, multiverse. Multiverse? Multiverse. So including Toby's Spider-Man will directly tie us into the events of Spider-Man No Way Home. That movie made a billion dollars, so we know that everybody's solid. But why would they use Turby instead of Tom? Well,

remember, Tom Holland is not an Avenger. He's just a guy in a spider costume. So he would not be on either of the new Avengers teams that are forming in this movie. Remember, the movie's going to feature characters from the Fantastic Four universe, the X-Men universe, and whatever other cameo universe they want to bring in, which means that the superheroes are probably going to be hopping between dimensions, which is where they will meet up with Toby, and maybe he comes along with them and joins the fight against Doom. But I'm also wondering if this means that we're going to get a new Spider-Man trilogy from Sam Ramey. Believe it or not, the building blocks are in place from the movies and the comics to make this happen. Now, I don't know if this is a really good thing or if this is the

worst idea since McClunky. So I want to find out by talking to people who I trust these two with my life. We went through a situation together that legally we're not allowed to talk about. But what we can say is that a bond was made and what happens in a particular city, he stays in that particular city. Colton, Ogburn, the guy who's trapped in our TV and doesn't know so please don't tell him and Tommy Beck told our friend who's always on break. I don't know. Tommy, tell me, buddy, is this the best thing that's ever happened? Or is more of like nostalgia-bating multiverse sock? And Doug is distraught. He can't even look at us.

Doug, please, stay with me. What happened in Fresno is in the past. No, I, sorry. I, uh, I, my answer is not going to be satisfying, but I'm still going to give it. I, I, the Spider-Man, the Ramey Spider-Man movies, the Toby McGuire Spider-Man movies were my movies. Like those came out when I was in high school and I was in love with them. So I am clearly a victim of the nostalgia bug. However, I feel like, and as you've discussed, Toby McGuire's contribution to No Way Home was meaningful enough

and had enough real movie writing and execution impact to justify this character continuing on in the MCU. it would be like looking at an asset and being like, yeah, but we can't use it just because it might be nostalgic to some people. There's a new generation of 14 and 15 year old and 10 year old Spider-Man fans that are going to enjoy Toby McGuire as an older Spider-Man. And if you're going to make this a multiversal movie, having a Spider-Man from a different universe or whatever timeline or different reality makes perfect sense to me. You know, I didn't even think about it. You're right. Not only do he and, Peter's one and two. Not only do Peters one and two give him that like grieving talk after Aunt May dies, but he's also the one who prevents Tom Holland from killing. And I've seen great supercuts that

flashes back to that incredible speech from Spider-Man 3 when Aunt May's basically like, don't kill, kill bad, don't do that. And you're right. Like he is the really the conscience. And it makes sense because he is basically the first of all these kind of movies we've been getting X-Men and Blade notwithstanding. Colton, I'm following what Tommy just said. There's a lot of unpack there but i want to first shout out colton congratulations you called out this theory a while back if you want to take a victory lap congratulations yeah i mean you pointed out earlier and Doug was not impressed Doug what was it you said again i said nobody gives a fudge carton well he whether or not to use the word fudge but yeah congratulations on predicting this so what are your

thoughts on it now that it's happening well you know when you throw enough shit against the wall something's bound to stick right a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then i thought we weren't going to talk about fresno anymore uh right sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry God, please, please, guys, please. The last thing we want to have to do is to work it out with the hotel and small claims. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, they clean.

Okay. Let's reset. Let's reset. Editors cut out all the stuff about Fresno. Yeah, Colton, what do you think about it, though? I mean, is this the right? Should we have Andrew back instead? Sure, we have Tom Holland?

We're sitting on this before we're talking to, like, theories and what we could see at it. Oh, I'm so excited for it. And it, like you guys were just saying, it makes so much so much sense. sense from a story perspective. We just had him in No Way Home. And oh my God, I've heard so many people say, oh, no way home was Toby and Andrews Swan Song. Devpool and Wolverine was Wolverine Swan Song. They're not coming back. Of course they're coming back. You don't bring them back for the multiverse saga to do these movies and not put them in. Definitely, I could see Secret Wars maybe like I could see the argument, oh, they won't be in Doomsday. They would definitely

be in Secret Wars, but I'm not surprised in the slightest that they're in Doomsday because Avengers Doomsday it is perhaps the most important Marvel movie, definitely the most important MCU movie maybe ever, certainly of this saga.

Since Endgame at least, yeah. Yeah, because I mean, I don't know that it's hyperbolic to say that this entire franchise kind of hinges on if this movie is good or not and how it is perceived. So that's a reason that I've always said whether it's Tom, whether it's Andrew, whether it's Toby, there has always been a zero, zero percent chance that Spider-Man was not going to be in this movie.

They have the rights to put Spider-Man in. They're going to put Spider-Man in. There's no way you do an Avengers movie without him. I think Toby's a great choice because he is a beloved character. Doomsday is a story that's obviously getting into the original X-Men as well. Fagie's having fun and going back and doing the things he wanted to do back in the early 2000. Dude, if you told me when I was like eight years old, you're getting a Toby McGuire Spider-Man, original X-Men fighting Dr. Dune movie, I would have did what I did in

Fresno and like shit my pants. So it's going to be... Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we made an agreement. We made an agreement before we started recording today that the events of said city, which may or may not be out west in a state that we can't name, occurred or not. So Doug, Doug's destroyed. He can't take his eyes off on me right now. He can't hear about this anymore.

Okay. So yeah, it's really fun. I don't think there's a single person out there who's going to be like, oh, more Toby McGuire. And like I said earlier, I'm excited to find out, like, what's been going on in his life or in these times since, maybe clarifying some of those potholes in no way home. But you bring up a great point.

What is going to happen here? And we've had a ball on the channel lately. So like every time there's a bit of doomsday news that comes out, I get excited for the movie. My excitement level started like way below ground, like fresh, I mean like way below ground. Initially, and then every bit of news we get, I'm like, that sounds pretty cool. And now the idea that we don't have to have Tom Holland in this, he can just be Spider-Man off to the side. And all these other things about Dr. Doom that are coming out and he's going to be the main character of the movie, stuff like that.

Tommy, do you have any theories on like, is he going to get pulled in through a portal? Are they going to be dimension hopping? Are we going to see, are we going to see his universe? end and everybody's going to die? What do you think? I mean, that would be the most heartbreaking way to have him be in this movie because part of his reintroduction and introduction into the modern MCU was discussing his life back in his reality and, you know, that he's, you know, that he has a family now. So it's like, if that's all taken away from him, I think that that might be a little too nihilistic for that to be, but, but certainly

probably what's going to happen to many realities in Doomsday and certainly in Secret Wars. I feel like that Kevin Feigy and the powers to be at Marvel really have a boner for sling rings and for people walking through those sparkly circles and also the sparkly circles were the the signature moment in endgame, right, when everybody kind of comes through them at the end. I wouldn't be surprised as a mechanism. to let the more casual MCU fans know if we see a lot of our characters entering via the sling rings. I know that's kind of an easy cop-out answer, but I still have my biggest challenge with Doomsday and Secret Wars is how are they going to get a mass audience on board with all of these moving pieces?

So I do think you have to, this is more structural than creative, cinematically make it simpler for people. We know people cross over dimensions via those rings. So that's how I think it's going to happen. Well, they don't, though, do they? I mean, have we seen them actually cross over using the rings? Because Dr. Strange had to use America Chavez to go through different dimensions. Yeah, but you never know.

Well, but he did cross over because he was already pulled into the reality. So I guess that's the question too. Is it going to be magic? Is Dr. Strange going to be involved? Go ahead. But apparently you can open one from the void. Maybe if you have a time stone on your sling ring. But, hey, that's very true.

You're right. Never mind. It's not going to be. I know exactly what's going to happen. Dr. Doom is going to yeat Yachty off the throne. Where do you go if you get yeated off that throne? You fall into the void.

There, Loki is going to meet Toby McGuire Spider-Man who landed in the void after he got sent back to his universe at the end of no way home. He didn't go back to his universe because his universe was gone because Doom's been fucking shit up throughout the multiverse,

destroying universes. and Loki's going to put together like a team, I think, and Toby's going to be part of that team to go up against dude. That's a lot of teams. That's my theory. I don't know. Yeah, I guess that makes more sense than them hopping through dimensions because, like you guys said, if they're hopping through dimensions,

how do we know you can actually travel from dimension to dimension? How have we seen that happen? There's America Chavez who probably isn't in this movie. I'm going to guess because she's not announced. And like if you introduce the Young Avengers or the champions in this, that's just like a lot of things. action going on. Other ways to hop around are casting spells like the Dr. Strange. And I don't know if Benedict Cumberbatch is fully in this movie or not. He might not be until Secret Wars. Yeah,

the void is one way to go. I kind of hope not, because don't you guys feel like the void is a boring place, for one thing? And if it's going to be the setting of Secret Wars, but also we just saw it on Deadpool and Wolverine, you know? I think they escaped the void 100%. Like, I just think that that's where Loki is going to find himself after like a defeat from Doom. And, and, and And I think we're going to see a lot of characters, like Toby included, maybe we'll learn, you know, he's got it out for Doom as well because Doom has come and destroyed his universe. And now he's without a home. So I think that'd be neat to see like a, I think you have like your 616 team that are, they're staying on Earth defending. You've got the team like with Reed and them, maybe chasing Franklin.

And then you've got like the Loki team. And we've seen that in game and Infinity War, right? We see different teams on different places. That's a comic book thing too. The Justice League always do that. Okay, that's one theory. Here's one thing I like about what you said that I think would be really cool. So let's say we start, maybe it'll go one of two ways.

One, we start with the ending of No Way Home. You know, the brothers Peter disappearing. And then we see Peter two, who should be Peter one, but whatever. We see Peter two show up at his universe and it's just a big-ass white void. That's horrifying. especially if he's narrating or if we see that happen. That is a lot to go through, though, and a lot to explain. That's what I keep thinking about with the Russo brothers.

What they were so good about in all of their MCU movies is putting character first. So even by the time you get to Infinity War and Endgame, you didn't have to overexploit. A lot of the stuff we theorize is so complicated. So it might be easier if it is just incursions and universes colliding and he's there. If, like, you show like a dinosaur go through Manhattan. and you show an old-timey guy, and then you show Spider-Man. I think that visually could be Victor Timely? Yeah.

Well, we just did a video about how he could come back, and he might actually be coming back, too, like, everyone's going to be in this movie. Tommy, what do you think? Like, would it be better to see Toby come in? Should we go to his universe? Because that's kind of what I'm excited about, to see that Raymi universe portrayed on screen.

I, first of all, I 100% agree, like, the complexity of it is so daunting. but it is that does that would be the most fun right is to visit briefly these characters that are going to be important in this film in their actual universes before they're whisked away uh so i certainly hope that that's the way again my my fear is that they're going to oversimplify my fear is that they're just going to like never even show these people going back they're going to be like it's going to be like almost like a boomerang like they're almost back to their universe and then they suck just when they thought they were out like fresno they get pulled back in like Albuquerque. The editors are going to be working way, way over time on this. Okay, I've got a compromise between the two ideas. I think I got it. So in Deadpool and Wolverine, he grabs a time pad, right, a tent pad,

and he goes around time to look at different versions of Wolverine. In lots of different multiverse stories, such as the Spider-Verse stories from the comics, they gather together a team by going to different universes and recruiting them. I do think, and Loki's probably the person who does, this, but I could also just see this montage again where we get like a cool little catch-up thing with each one of them. Maybe it could even be Peter in his apartment and he's like, well, I don't know if I can go with you guys or not. And then somebody comes in and says, go get him, Tiger.

Yeah, it's Mary Jane, crowd cheers. Oh, my God. He called back Spider-Man too. And then, you know, we're back out. What? He better not still be in that apartment. Jesus. I hope man has come up in the world a little bit. He's not going to live in a house in Queens. Yeah. Well, the thing is, Mary Jane likes tropical fruits, beef, and coffee, so they can only afford a small apartment right now. Imagine he's, like, not convinced to go, and then you hear Mr. Dinkovich or whatever, rent, and he's like, okay, I'll go.

Oh, okay, yeah, no, I'll go, right. I don't necessarily mean that apartment. You know, I just think, because Mary Jane, by this point, look, Mary Jane either at this point has made it as an actor or she's back to being a waitress or she'll be a reporter like in the video games. So I like that idea. that they're going to be going around to different universes recruiting people, that probably doesn't explain the X-Men.

I kind of feel like, okay, so in the comics, the Illuminati go up against other universe. There's even, like, they introduce this whole other universe and new superheroes just for them to fight them to the death and destroy their universe. It's heartbreaking. I feel like that's dramatically the best way to do this, right? The FF are out there looking for Franklin

because Doom's taken him away. And then you have the X-Men universe is colliding with the, the 616, so they're fighting each other. You have the different Avengers teams that are fighting each other. And then, yeah, maybe it is Loki who goes around. It's probably not Dr. Strange, but then again, him and Clea going around to stop incursions. Maybe it's because they know they're certain, what's the word again, Nexus Beans or

anchor beans that they can gather from each reality. If that's the case, that happens in Doomsday. We all thought that was going to happen in Secret Wars. And who else do you bring in for cameos? I do think that I like the idea of Loki having a tent pad that that makes total sense. I love this idea

of us actually like taking stuff that was set up in the multiverse saga and having it matter and doomsday and like, yeah, people get it because everybody saw Deadpool and Wolverine, but also if you watched Loki and have been following everything, you'll be like, oh, that's so cool.

I really like the idea of, because we have to remember, it's a what, two and a half hour movie? we can there's only so much that can fit right i love the idea of toby just being like because everybody saw no way home you mentioned that ryan everybody saw no way home it made nearly nearly two billion dollars in the midst of a pandemic uh i love the idea of him just being like i was sent back home and there was no home i landed here with remnants of my universe and seeing like going back to what i said seeing loki like recruiting people in the void for his team uh i'm trying

to think of who would be some cool people i mean we know that that like Wesley Snipes's blade is there. Oh, go ahead. Yeah. Sure. No, I just want to interject one thing about that, though, that kind of bothers me, about the idea that his universe is gone. Because that is like a universe that we're invested in. Nobody really gave, I like the Blade movies. No one gave a shit that Blade Universe was gone.

I never saw a single person that was like, oh, man, Blade Universe is gone. Yeah, but we don't know that. And I think if you have a movie where Toby McGuire Spider-Man has just lost his entire universe and Mary Jane. and who the hell's left in his life, probably Flash Thompson because he became famous, where he lost everything.

That's what the movie would be about, in my mind, just because he's a character who's so near and dear to our hearts. But then again, they could probably juggle that. Same thing happened to Thor. He lost everybody he loved, and the Russo's reduced it to a few don't lines of dialogue. Yeah, everybody's going to be in that situation, I think, you know, their entire world crumbling.

You know, Reed and Sue have lost their kid. You know, everybody's universe is on the verge of death. It also would be cool, you know, speaking of Ramey to see like the dead Ramey universe. We could go to the Ramey universe and see it like dead. Like in multiverse of madness, we saw that dead universe and shit like floating around. We can see the car float by, the Ramey car. We can see Hal Sparks, who had a cameo in the first one, just floating out of an elevator. And it was so brilliant because what they would do is show you a page of that universe.

And there used to be these hostess like cake ads. in comics where it was like a one-page ad and spider-man would stop the crook and then they'd be like hostess fruit pies for everybody and they show that spider-man getting murdered or they show spider-man from the super friends get like they're all murdered and aunt ma's little dog miss lions just barking at the corpses so there is like a gleeful destruction you can do in multiverse of madness it was so much fun watching ramey just have a ball tear the illuminati apart because we don't really care but if it's toby spider-man man i that's the treat that i mean that's the the benefit and the detriment to this.

The benefit is there's an automatic emotional investment from people who weren't even alive when that movie came out. But the detriment is if you mishandle it, it's, well, that's not my, that's not my Toby. That's not my spider too. But Tommy, Tommy, don't you think, like, we want to care, right? Like what happened to multiverse of madness, you didn't care and it just kind of falls flat. You don't care and therefore you still, you just don't care. Like, that movie is so unconsequential. Yeah.

I agree. I think that's a good point. I think, like, for me, I'm always looking at it as, like, why, why is Toby going to care if his entire universe is going to be looking for a way to bring it back then, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that's where you get, that's what makes it interesting is like, all right, he's got, he's got Mary Jane and ostensibly more family and people that he loves there. So, like, is the entire movie about him figuring out a way to reverse this or coming into terms of the fact that he can't reverse this, you know, like, what, I think that's, that's where I feel like the multiverse. being so complicated right now and us not really quite understanding the full ramifications they need to solidify that point in doomsday like they need to be like all right if it's gone it's gone for good or if it's gone like you know like is

there is there do do other characters in marvel have a Valhalla like alternative to look forward to where it's like okay my universe was destroyed but I'll see them all in New York New York Halla or whatever like you know which there's a lot of good holla in New York, but you know where there's not good holla, Fresno. No, no, no, no, no, don't go there. Don't go there. Okay, so let me, I do have a thought on how they could continue the Rameyverse in a different universe, right? And I'll talk about that in a second after I let you guys go. But I do want to know one thing. Do you guys think that going forward they should continue to do this, right? Do you think that they, in theory, if there was going to be

an amazing Spider-Man 3, a Spider-Man 4, or even like we're going to see new Spider-Ver movies, which implies the multiverse will exist? Or do you think post-secret wars, it's going to be no-mas. We're just going to stay focused on an individual universes. Colton, what do you think? I think they do need to kind of pivot away from the multiverse to where it's not like the main focus. Now, I'm not saying that within the whatever the next saga is, you can't have references to their other universes.

Maybe it'll become just as like a normal thing as going to another planet or something by the time we got to Infinity War and endgame. That became so normal. I like that. With Toby, I mean, I think it would be. cool if after Secret Wars and we get it set up that there's you know some of the universes came back like we see franklin throw them back into existence do that ramey spider-man four and have it just be like this elseworld's not connected thing maybe kevin fogy can consult on it but it would

widely be just like a Sony distributed movie that ramey for the most part was overseeing let mark web come back and do the amazing spider-man three uh dc's doing that james guns doing that by having these elseworld stories that don't tie in and i think if you do that we have spider noir coming out too yeah but i think if you do that that might love you nick cage but i think that might kind of tickle sony's fancy a little bit in terms of letting fagy in the mc u do their tom holland thing and they're like okay go do these spider-man movies leave us alone well tommy this would mean we wouldn't get you know the thing off your wish list which is craven too Would you be okay with this?

Or do you think that for simplicity's sake, fans are going to be just no more multiburys? I mean, you know I'm craving it. I've been out there on the streets daily and nightly with my pelts and my furs and just trying to get people just trying to evangelize the craven message. But no, I agree with Colton. They need to create a specific imprint for Marvel movies that aren't in the MCU, like main timeline. There needs to be, we can call it altered planets, altered states. That might have been done already.

But I think like else, they need. their own else worlds because I would love to see another Sam Ramey Spider-Man, Toby McGuire, without the complications of multiversal things. Like, I'd love to see that universe without, like, I mean, references, fine, but not, like, the direct threat of someone crossing over from another universe at any given point. Because I think that one thing that I wanted to say is, like, what I like about Sam Ramey, especially the first two, is the villains. Like, he created iconic villains in those first two movies.

and Spider-Man has no shortage of great villains. Now, obviously, Doc Hawk in that universe, and Green Goblin are dead, you know, like in the original timeline of it. So it's like, but there's still four more sinister six members. There's so much that he can do, so many other bad guys. And even perhaps a female villain, I don't know, dare we suggest that. But I just feel like there's enough to play with there. You finally, you got to do lizard, man.

I forget the actor's name. Yeah, Dylan Baker's been waiting. They've been a joke. Yes. Yes. Sitting by the phone like Huell and Breaking Bad. So I do have ideas on how they could proceed with Ramey and also tie it into the Marvel Cinemat,

into like the mainline MCU that I'll talk about in just a second. But first, I just want to thank Colton, who's trapped in our TV and doesn't know, so please don't tell him. His links are below. And of course, Tommy, always great to have you on here. Thanks, man. Oh, thank you.

Thank you. I got to get back to work. You got to get back to work. Okay, yeah. So thanks again, guys. And I want to remind you there is a gag order in place for the next 25 years. All right.