ScreenCrush: The Podcast! - The Original Plans for Madame Web are Heartbreaking

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

What really happened with "Madame Web"? Ryan Arey dives into the scrapped Terminator-inspired plot with its deep MCU ties, including a Tom Holland Spider-Man cameo. The story changed from saving a pregnant Mary Parker to Ezekiel Sims hunting the Spider-Women. We’ll discuss the MCU-refence filled popcorn bucket, Sony’s legal Spider-Man battles, and why they should just license him back to Marvel Studios. Could the original "Madame Web" have saved Sony's universe? See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And did you know that Madam Webb was supposed to be good? What? That's right. Reports have surfaced online detailing not only the original Terminator-inspired plot of the film, But also, it's deeper connection to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Tom Holland Spider-Man, a connection that runs so deep, they even made a popcorn bucket littered with MCU references. And Madam Webb herself, Dakota Johnson, was even under the impression that she was signing on for an MCU movie. Now, a little bit later, I'm going to talk to my friends Tommy and Colton to get their thoughts on what could have been for Madam Webb,

had we gotten this original version of the film. But first, let's take a look at those reports. And by the way, remember Screencrushers on all your favorite podcast platforms, and we are running a super summer sale 20% off the entire site. check out the links below for cool merch that we designed for you. My personal favorite, she was in the Amazon studying spiders before she died. So, in a recent interview, Dakota Johnson had this to say about the film. It wasn't my fault.

There's this thing that happens now where a lot of creative decisions are made by committee or made by people who don't have a creative bone in their body. And it's really hard to make art that way or to make something entertaining that way. And I think, unfortunately, with Madam Webb, it started out as something and turned into something else. And I was just sort of along for the ride at that point. And she's exactly right. This movie was originally something very different. The original plot of the film would center around the Spider-Women on a mission to save the web of life and destiny's most vital member, Peter Parker. Right here?

I don't know. It's something to do with Spider-Man, I think. Which one? Anyways, the original plan for the film would feature the Spider-Women teaming up to save a pregnant Mary Parker from the villainous Ezekiel Sims, who is a Spider-Man villain from the future, determined to kill Mary Parker, and prevent Peter from ever being born. Okay, so it was like an origin story for Tom Holland Spider-Man? Well, buddy, that's where the messy and directionless nature of Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel characters begins to show. They had no idea which Spider-Man the movie was going to be about. Rumor has that they were open to getting Andrew, Toby, or even Tom for the role.

But Toby and Andrew were allegedly not interested. And, as we'll discuss in a second, they, Tom Holland specifically, were contractually prohibited from even appearing in the film. I think they could have made this movie without ever needing to show Spider-Man. The specific Peter Parker they were saving wouldn't really matter. The character of Spider-Man is big enough that you could keep it vague. The only thing we really need to know is that there's a bad guy trying to keep one of the most popular superheroes of all time from being born. It writes itself.

So why didn't they make that movie? Sounds like a better way to go than what we got. Well, buddy, they did make that movie, but in typical Sony fashion, they made a movie they weren't legally allowed to make, so then they tried to hastily change it. So in Madam Webb, we have some abhorrent expositional ADR that was used to completely alter the plot of the film. Now, ADR is the re-dubbing of audio done after the fact to change what the actors

saying or to, you know, get audio that's more cleaner than what they got on set. And they used this effect primarily with Ezekiel to change his mission from stopping the birth of Spider-Man to instead preemptively killing the Spider-women who would kill him in the future. And what's hilarious is you can actually see the bones of this original movie throughout with the pointless inclusion of the Parkers that now just comes off as gimmicky. What the hell is that? Everyone's got a gimmick now. Yeah, but why would they change the story and take out all the Spider-Man stuff? Because, in accordance with Sony's deal with Marvel Studios,

Sony actually can't make live-action movies with Peter Parker or Spider-Man without Marvel Studios being involved. The first time they tried this was with the first Venom movie. Now, it's been widely reported that they filmed a cameo scene with Tom Holland for the Venom movie. He wasn't even in the Spider-Man suit, just in his street clothes. But when Marvel Studios caught wind of this, they had Sony remove it. Because, including Tom Holland explicitly implies a connection to the MCU, and Marvel, understandably, doesn't want a film they had zero involved. with to carry the hey, we're in the MCU banner.

I mean, Feigey's face in this interview with Amy Pascal says it all. So there is a chance that in Tom Holland, a Spider-Man will pop up somewhere. There's always a chance. Oh, there are several things I would like to say. Colton, you flunked out of law school, explain the whole custody battle over Spider-Man. True, but I am a child of divorce, so I've got you covered. In Sony's deal with Marvel Studios, Sony is legally prohibited from using Peter Parker or Spider-Man in any of their live-action films. They cannot even utter his name.

That's why in Madam Webb, we kept getting instances where they almost said his name, but never actually did. He's not named Steven. You guys are ice cold. Cassie, what's your guess? Ben, the name is... Sony can make all the animated Spider-Man movies they want, and they can make all the live-action Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man that they want, like Venom, Morbius, Craven, and Madam Webb.

They can even feature any Spider-Man-related characters, they want in the Spider-Man list Spider-Man movies that they are making, such as the Parker's. But what they can't do is use or really even reference Peter Parker. It would be disadvantageous for the MCU Spider-Man if Sony was simultaneously releasing live-action Spider-Man movies on their own with a different actor playing Peter Parker. Or if Sony was willy-nilly just using Tom Holland Spider-Man in their villain films without Marvel Studio having a say in the creative direction because his Spider-Man is directly connected to the MCU and Marvel is contractually given the right to have a say in the creative direction

of this character. And you have to remember at the time the MCU had a reputation to uphold. But for some reason, they keep putting themselves through hell by including Spider-Man elements in their films, hoping that Marvel just won't notice, but like Baskin-Robbins, Marvel always finds out. You found out. Marvel Studios always finds out. Well, hold on.

They did have Holland Spider-Man appear in the post credits for Venom Let There Be Carnage. But to use your point, they did reuse footage and audio from far from home and No Way Home, filming nothing new. And they had Venom referred to him simply as... It's also worth mentioning that, according to Kevin Feigy, Sony actually worked with Marvel Studios to make that scene happen and to set up Spider-Man No Way Home. And this clearly established that Venom was in a different universe and not the MCU.

Tell me again about your purple alien that loves stones. But Sony couldn't even make that work. Venom has no role in No Way Home. It was just a big, empty, insulting tease that went nowhere. It was ultimately retconned in Venom the Last Dance, once again showing us that Sony is making these movies flying by the seat of their pants. And with a film at first, ask permission later mentality that never seems to pan out. The same thing happened with the vulture in the Morbius post-credit scene.

Has to do with Spider-Man, I think. Are you sure about that? Michael Keaton has even recently come out and said that they had no idea what they were even doing with that cameo. And even they couldn't quite explain it. And I go, okay, I really don't quite know what you're talking about, or even who some of these people are. Once again, proving that Sony has no plan beyond that

of teasing a connection to Spider-Man and their Spider-Man less Spider-Man movies, hoping that it'll get butts in the seats for their next monstrosity. It's clear that Sony desperately wants to be in the MCU without having to play by any rules, answer to Kevin Feige, or share any of the profits. And that brings me to the recalled popcorn bucket for Madam web that I want to break down with Tommy and Colton. But now I'm joined by two of my all-time favorite people.

We have the guy who's trapped in the television and doesn't know it, so please don't tell him. Colton Ogburn and the guy who's always on break, Tommy Bechtolt. Colton and Tommy, so I want to talk about this popcorn bucket, right? And I want to talk about how Sony tried to, like, attach, where a barnacle attaching themselves to the ship of the MCU. And then I kind of want to go over, like, what scenario their plan for a Spider-Man-Less Spider-Man universe could have actually worked, right? I've got some ideas on how maybe Venom could have been the main character,

and Craven, everybody could have been a part of this. But before we get to that, let's talk about this popcorn bucket. So the report is from various sources, slash film, cinema blend, et cetera, that there was a different popcorn bucket for Madam Webb that wasn't just the generic logo. It's actually pretty cool. It's a daily bugle wraparound with the Daily Bugle, the same masked head that we saw in the Rainey movies. And then, according to people who saw it, and it's sort of like the bucket was recalled, so we have to go off third-hand reports.

We've got them written down here. It's a few different things that we're on this that are MCU related or Spider-Man related. A Daily Bugle headline complains that Stark Industries underpays its workers. Dr. Strange headline says he's become a Las Vegas magician. Bruce Banner is accused of steroids in a sensational bugle story. That one especially is stupid, but maybe a tabloid. That to me just sounds like some executive went or a marketing person went, well, he's big. So what if he did steroids, right?

And they never actually saw a movie with him in it. Groot was promoted as the host of a new talk show, 10 out of 10, would watch. Sounds like the new space ghost. And if you guys want to chime in on any of these, let me know. Well, I was just going to say some of these sound like a lot more like the J. Jonah Jameson of the MCU, like the more like conspiracy theory, like wild-ass stuff. As Bruce Banner using steroids. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Yeah. Okay, that's cool then. I like that, like Alex Jones type. I think it's a great kind of aping of the New York Post, right? Where, like, famously, historically, the New York Post has been used to, like, do hit pieces on famous people and try to, like, you know, basically anyone with influence of the Post will use that as a way to, like, depower their enemies. So it's like painting Dr. Strangers of Vegas musician, musician, is obviously, would be very embarrassing for him, would be like kind of a demotion from Sorcerer Supreme.

So I think, like, it is fun to have those things, although they seem very silly, it is interesting, and I think a great mirroring of society. Hey, in universe, as a J. Jonah Jameson thing, it makes total sense. I still long for the idea that, I mean, I think we all do, that Marvel's phases four, five, and six would have been less cluttered and better planned. Because I think there is a universe where Thunderbolt Ross becomes president, King Penn's mayor, they crack down on superheroes, and J. Jonah Jameson. is kind of like this mouthpiece for their agenda. That would have been really cool, but that's not what we got. Also, hold on, but wait, there's more. We had a doctor, a doc,ock featured, he was featured opening a new clinic post Spider-Man 2 No Way Home.

So basically, like, after the events of No Way Home, he returned to his universe and apparently didn't die. Which is like a whole, that alone would have been a whole video of proof being like, if this popcorn bucket's canon, then it means that in no way home, they did indeed completely change these realities and split the multiverse off in different directions. Again, I don't think they considered all those consequences when they made the bucket. Do you guys? No, I almost wonder if this was more of a device

for like the original plot that was like meddling with time and making, like ensuring things happen. The way that they're supposed to go, there's the different ramifications for people. So to me, it's just more of a like, Well, if Madam Webb is moving throughout time to make sure that Peter Parker is born safely or whatever, the Terminator, the proposed Terminator storyline, then perhaps these are the consequences of it, some very glib and silly or some very lighthearted, and others, you know, may be more impactful in the MCU. I think this, I think this bucket is a prime example of what we'll talk about here shortly of exactly why Kevin Feigy and Marvel Stewart. for like, pull the bucket, change the plot, say nothing about Spider-Man, or we'll see you in court.

But I'll say this, the bucket's a good idea. Like, if I would have had this bucket existed for a Spider-Man movie, this is cool as shit. I would love to have this bucket. Also, but hold on, we've got a few others this one to run through really quick. There was Thanos coverage of Thanos Colts and Theories, something that I think had in the comic. No, it didn't, actually. That was an idea I had for a comic years ago. Well, like the Thanos was right thing, though.

Yeah, Arthanos is right. Drax, the Destroyer, was depicted wearing a suit and being interviewed in the Daily Bugles pages. Fine. Carol Danvers is mentioned as a potential future U.S. president. And Thor was, the bugle was teasing rumors about him having an illegitimate child. Again, it's interesting to see, I agree with you guys. I think it would have been really fun tied into J. Jonah Jameson is like, hey, this is like over here next to the MCU, but not actually a part of it. It does, it is so weird, though, how I, you're taking this concept from the comic books, right?

The multiverse going back to like Flash of Two Worlds and the stuff that we've been used to for years. And I think you can read in this that these executives understood that there was a way to make money off of this because they could claim that, oh, our thing is part of that thing because of multiverse. And DC, people forget this now. DC pre-James Gunn, post-Snyder, we're trying to call it the DC extended multiverse because they wanted to say that Joker was part of the same universe as Ben Afflex, Batman. Again, I think we're starting, I'm glad fans have rejected the multiverse concept because they focused on those aspects of it and not what actually makes it fun. But it's so weird because Ezekiel Sims, we're talking about him as a time traveler.

he's a multiverse character in the comics that's his whole thing he's from this family that hunts spider people across dimensions and totems and that's what he does but they didn't even go with that aspect so guys I mean I think this just shows they really were just most

interested in trying to tie it to Spider-Man any way they could instead of actually making it about the web of life and destiny do you guys think this original plot would have been better Tommy what are your thoughts? I was very excited when this original plot leaked and it was the idea of taking Madam Webb, which when the title was announced as a standalone movie, I was kind of like, oh, okay,

I guess that'll be cool. And then making it into a, like, we've got to go back in time to ensure Peter Parker's birth happens. And also the inclusion of Adam Scott as Ben, or not, yeah, is he Ben Parker? Adam Scott has Ben Parker. I was like, well,

that's a really good casting and that'll be really fun to see him as a big part of this movie. Obviously, that's not what we got. So, yeah, I do think that that original storyline is way more effective, way more impactful than just like this guy being like, oh, these three kids

and this woman team up to kill me one day so I have to kill them first. Like that's, we've seen the like, you know, you gotta go back in time to kill your killer thing done in, you know, 90s kind of loose sci-fi junk movies. I just felt like they went, I felt like it was like everything we've talked about.

They created the most forgettable story out of what seemed like such a strong story idea in its inception, which was obviously based on Marvel and Marvel Studios being like, you don't even whisper his name. Don't even say Park. Don't even go to a park in this movie. I got a thought for you. Let me just leave this out there,

because I do think about this Sonyverse a lot, right, and how it was obviously guided by money people and not by creatives. And I think your best person is always a combination of the two. Like Kevin Feigy is a person who loves movies first, understands finance. Dick Ebersol, who took over SNL show running for five years, did a pretty good job because he understood the network side. He understood the talent side, right? I wonder if there's a version of this where, and it's interesting because Madam Webb is the multiverse, the web of life

and destiny. So in theory, Sony could have put together a better multiverse than Marvel. And here's how I think they could have done it. They have access to characters like Silver Sable. Okay, so Silver Sable could be from a different universe that is very much like 1960s James Bond Spycraft, right? That would have been sweet. Madam Webb, and maybe instead of doing the Terminator thing, and after Peter Parker, even if they do that, instead of Peter Parker, make it about Julia Carpenter. I know that at the time, Sidney Sweeney hadn't broken as big as she is now, but imagine it had been about like one of those spider women. Hell, Isabella Merced, she's also huge. They could have done that, kept a singular focus on one person and made that person kind of the person kind of

the new protagonist, the hero protagonist of this universe. They could have just still done this. They could have even had Adrian Toombs in the universe and just never said, yeah, he came over from another universe. They could have just implied all of these things, kept Eddie Brock the main character. The Venom symbiants also linked to the multiverse. I think they could have had really cool separate stories based on some of these Spider-Man French characters that, you know, were told by creatives who were passionate about, like, tell him, say, a Silver Sable story, or a black cat story, and they could have stood on their own, but instead, Colton, they just wouldn't leave Spider-Man alone. They just could not get it out of their head, and it blew everything

up in their face. Well, I've always thought it would be cooler if they had made Venom the centric focus of their universe. That was their first film that did really well, much to the chagrin of Ryan. Ryan, I think you were saying, like, don't go see Venom, or they'll keep this going. I did. Fans screwed up. Fans screwed up really big because if Venom would have flopped, Sony would have sold the rights back to Marvel a long time ago, and then we would have had a proper Venom in the MCU. And I don't think any of those movies was worth the delus of shit we've gotten from Sony

that resulted from giving those executives an overconfidence boost. Not even when we got Horse Venom? Horse Venom wasn't enough to win you over? It should have been. I watched that trailer, and I was like, one ticket to the Venom Horse movie, please. And then I saw the movie, and I was like, And that's the other thing, too.

You can tell there was a seed in here, right? That they were hoping to get their own villain Avengers to fight null. That there was, like, some kind of plan, and that maybe Madam Webb would be the one to bring them together. And then the spider women would get three separate spinoffs. But that's the thing. There was no plan. There was, oh, we'd like this, but we don't want to put in the proper, like, effort to make it happen. But, like, to your point.

Well, like, amazing too, right. Yeah. Yes, exactly. They just repeated the exact same thing. In fact, it is wild when you look back at how they completely screwed the pooch on the amazing Spider-Man thing. And then they go and they do the same thing again in the Spider-Manless Spider-Man universe. But to your point about Venom, yes, it would have been so much cooler. Just swap out the web of life and destiny with the symbiate hive mind thing.

Have Venom be your centric character. Have Madam Watt. I'm not super familiar with Madam Webb in the comics. Isn't her suit like a symbiates? Which means it's a ridiculous premise for a movie. Doesn't she have like a symbiate suit or something like that? Like her body tights? Look, look.

The thing about the venom symbiant suit is it's kind of like an adult film where like everybody gets a shot at everybody at a certain point. Because like the Punisher's been venom. Mary Jane has been venom. Everybody has been venom at some point in this universe. It's been totally devalued, in my opinion. First of all, I don't appreciate you slut-shaming venom, but I, uh, no. It's not, hey, I didn't use that word. You used that word.

That's true. I said tasteful adult films, right? I did, I'm talking like, showtime, showtime at 1201, you know what I mean? Let's do diaries. I like that. Black symbiate diaries. I think we're good. Here's what I'll say.

I feel like we're doing a lot of like Monday morning quarterbacking. Is that right? Is that the right phrase, Tommy? You're the sports guy. I never know. Well, wait, what about Monday night football? Wait! We're coming soon to screencrush.

My breakdowns of Monday night football. No, I understand. No, Monday morning quarterback, when you talk about the home runs, they hit the night before when the guy got a hat trick. Exactly. We're saying what they should have done with this movie, but the problem is, is that they made one movie, and then in the edit, and like you talked about earlier, Ryan,

with, like, redubbing and stuff, they completely altered the movie into something. else. And it just feels like Sony, they're so sneaky and like conniving. It's like they want their cake and to eat it too. It's like they want all of these MCU references and stuff, but they don't want to go through the extra steps of actually working with Figi and having to share creative control with Figi. Well, I think the problem, like what we're saying is that like Sony's commitment to these movies is basically to try to convince you that they're part of the MCU when they're clearly not or that they're attached to them and it's a lot like the way in big cities there'll be

restaurants that want to make you think they're part of a bigger restaurant franchise like in los angeles there's a lot of burger joints there's a famous burger joint called tommies well there's a lot of knockoff burger joints called tombs that have the same letter right the same design the similar menus but they're not as good at gougals right exactly it's a real thing and i think like sony's commitment is to be like look this is almost like this come see these movies and they're like they're loosely related to them but they don't have anywhere near the quality of the storytelling like all of these movies fall short in the product the product is always something far inferior to an MCU movie and that's where fans it doesn't pass the

smell test even in the trailers and even in the in screening well colton you know colton Sony's not just doing this with marvel movies that they do with their own movies do you remember the morbius trailer where we had the spider man graffiti and mur that wasn't in the movie And the tomb shot, Colton, what do you think about that about Sony just, like, kind of stepping in and trying to trick people into thinking that their bullshit is part of a better franchise? You could just make a better franchise. It's incredibly frustrating, and I know first world problems, but it's insulting. I think it's kind of insulting because, like you said earlier, they did the same thing with the amazing Spider-Man, and then, like, they realized how bad they screwed up, and so they put Spiceroy. Spider-Man in the MCU and they make this deal, you know, with Disney and all that.

And now they're just repeating all of the same mistakes. Every time it takes me back to the, has something to do with Spider-Man, I think, that Volter line. Wow. Which was clearly just a marketing person saying, look, we just need him to come in and just say, and just say, it's going to have something to a Spider-Man, right? Just have him say something like that. And then the guy of the intern was like, you got a boss. Yeah, and I just wanted to say.

And gave them that as a script. To Tommy's point about that burger chain, I have a friend. name Tommy, who I think is trying to, like, you know, milk off of that popular burger chain as well. And that's shocking because we really don't approve of people hawking their own products on this channel. It's just, I've said it time and time. Oh, I'm hungry. There's really only one thing that's going to satisfy this hunger. That's one of my delicious burgers.

Check the link below. Really, because oftentimes when I get hungry, I like a good meal from Factor. I like a madame web popcorn. Man, I'm desperate to see that actual popcorn bucket, though, because. Because that would be, like, I would display it, like, prominently. But that's right up there with, you know how, like, when people lose the Super Bowl. Tommy, you're a Bill's fan. You know this.

Like, when the Bill's lost the Super Bowl for four years in a row. But those those Bulls championship jersey still exist. I feel like it's like a. But they give them to, like, third world country. It's like it's not supposed to exist. And you would find it in the TVA or something. Yeah, in the void. It's like Polybius, right?

Well, I'll tell you what, if they make another. Deadpool movie where he goes to the void, they better have those buckets in a pile. That would be a great history. Yeah, they need to have that shot where we saw like a frog Thor in a jar. We need to see the Matt of Wet popcorn bucket in the ground. Along with the Aunt May Silver, the Aunt May solo movie, Black Cat and Silver Sable movie, Andrew Garfield's EDM version of Spider-Man. All right, over under, in secret wars, do we see Deadpool eating out of the

matter of my popcorn again dude I wish they were that clever I wish they were that meta I really do that would be awesome no I've gotten into this before but that Deadpool 3 man that was like for all the potential it could have had I just disappointed by it

do you guys think after Craven the Hunter right and I was so disappointed in Craving because I thought it started off as like cool like 90s action movie and then it just got more and more we'd poor Ariana DeBose man her her management I hope they've been fired and like kicked out of the business because that's the worst post-oscler run i've ever seen

and then after craven it was soft announced yeah we're not doing this anymore they did extend the deal with marvel but before before before yeah i i wonder what their next plan is i wonder like you know we're going to talk about this in a little bit about possibilities for ways for sony to keep making money off this but let marvel have all creative control but do you guys think we've actually seen the end of the sonyverse or or do you guys you even think that there's hope and like there could be a good version where they reboot it themselves or are we just getting tired of interconnected superhero franchises? I think that it, there needs to be a uniformity to it. Like the success of the MCU has been

that we trust in Kevin Feige. The hope for the DCU is that we trust in James Gunn and Peter Saffron. If they're going to try to actually have a Sony, you know, comic book universe, they need to they need to put in a creative team that is consistently informing all of the projects and announce them as a slate, much like Marvel and DC does at conventions or at shows. Or at the very least maintaining quality like James Gunn does. I think he's more concerned with quality over continuity. Yeah. Yeah, they need a strong creative team that is public facing rather than just, you know, like we said,

money-money-motivated productions that are kind of at best half-baked. James Gunn... I kind of picture Patrick Bateman running this show right now. Go ahead. James Gunn is the perfect example of someone who... I mean, he had certainly a career before Marvel, but I think in a lot of ways he was mentored by Kevin Feigy, and that's what made him such a perfect choice to now run D.C.

You would think that Sony would be begging Kevin Feigy, please come in here, help mentor and shape someone who can be our Kevin Feigy and that you can work together with and create like a cohesive universe. But they just seem to have, they're so self-confident. Like, is Arad still, is it Avi Arat? Is he still involved with Sony? Because I feel like everything is his fault. I don't think directly.

I think, but everything's his fault in the good side of things too. Like the name was instrumental, getting us X-Men the Animated Series, which frankly, we wouldn't be, I wouldn't be wearing this shirt if it weren't for X-Men the Animated, so I'd be working at Burger King right now. Come work at Tommy's. We've had a pretty awesome Spider-Man tie in line. Yeah, I'll work at Tommy. I prefer Tommy's burgers. Guys, I do want to cut us off there. I do, I do, I do.

Guys, I want to cut it off there because I do want to tell you guys, you know what we actually think that Marvel and Sony could work out that would be both, you're going to be shocked by this, profitable and good. Colton Tommy, thank you guys so much for joining me. So guys, I get that Sony doesn't want to sell their juggernaut of an IP that is Spider-Man, but why not just license it back to Marvel Studios? Maintain your ownership and let Marvel do all the work. Sure, you'll have to share a bigger cut of the proceeds, but half of a billion is a lot more than 100% of $100 million. Or a box office percent of the even more pathetic $62 million that Craven scraped up.

With Avengers Secret Wars likely to reset the MCU and have all of Marvel's characters finally in one cohesive universe, I want Spider-Man there. He is a key pillar of Marvel that belongs in this world. unburdened by villain-centric flops that drag his name through the mud. Sony should just hire Marvel Studios to make all of their live-action Marvel-related content. Let Sony animation keep cooking with the Spider-verse and let Marvel Studios handle the action realm while you sit back and watch the money flow in. Granted, Marvel themselves aren't in a great place anymore when it comes to the box office

and overall perception of the franchise, but I think Doomsday is about to change that. Right now, Sony is in a prime position to make a very advantageous deal with Marvel Studios, who are likely desperate to have Spider-Man, it would likely be willing to make a deal that would be really lucrative for Sony. But something tells me that the genius is over at Sony Pictures that gave us Morbius, Craven, and Madam Webb, they may not be in the market for a good idea. It's very off-brand for them. Well, guys, that's just what we think.

What do you think about the potential Madam Webb movie that we missed out on? Does it sound good or just more crap like the same we saw before? Let us know your thoughts down in the comments or on our free-to-join Discord server. And if it's your first time here, please subscribe and smash that bell for alerts. For Screen Crush, I'm Ryan Erie. I don't know. I'm going to be. Thank you.