ScreenCrush: The Podcast! - Was Daredevil Worth the Wait? - Born Again Episodes 5 & 6 Review

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

Daredevil: Born Again episodes 5 and 6 finally gave us the return of Daredevil, In a gritty underground fight with Muse. We also got heavy-handed references to Ms. Marvel, and a sideways reference to Eleanor Bishop through her ex-fiance, the Swordsman. But did this episode work? Let's dicuss.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Ryan Erie, and let's talk about Daredevil Born Again, episodes five and six. And these episodes finally gave us what we've been waiting for, the return of Daredevil and two MCU cameos. So I want to talk about these cameos and whether or not they worked, and later I'm going to hear from two Daredevil super fans, comedian Mike Lawrence and Doug's attorney, Mike Mazzella. Guys, we are now on all of your favorite podcast platforms.

We are liquidating a lot of our old stuff, plus we have Daredevil parody merch and this new The Thing shirt in the style of John Carpenter's The Thing. Links are below. So all season long, I've been really vocal about how I think this is, so far, one of the all-time best Marvel Disney Plus shows. It feels like one of the few shows that feels like an actual TV show and not a mini-series or a chopped-up movie.

The last couple episodes really doubled down on what makes the show great. The fight sequences, the suspense, and all the incredible subtlety that Vincent DeNofrio pours into the kingpin. And episode 5 is the kind of episode we never get on Disney Plus. It was a bottle episode that put a superhero in a classic conundrum. How does he help people without revealing his secret identity? Now other shows like Moon Night use this long-form storytelling model that makes these kind of standalone episodes impossible to pull off.

But I love episodes like this. Back when TV shows were 26 episodes in a season, we got a lot of filler. And the filler episodes are where you really got to know the characters. That's where we found out that William Reiker played the trombone, or that Phoebe can't run. I did think that episode six seemed like it should have been a two-parter with episode four. I mean, four ends with Matt practicing his Daredevil moves on the roof, so it would have been natural to see him suit up in the following episode. Now, my one nitpick with the show so far is that I would really like to see it connect more to the MCU.

I mean, the example for this is the hole in episode two. That hole should have been from some superhero battle. And all it would take is a quick mention. What was Ant Man even doing in New York? You know, something like that. So in these episodes, we get too clunky as hell connections to the MCU. So I'm going to explain what I didn't think worked about them. Then we're going to hear from Mike Lawrence and Doug's attorney Mike.

And then I'll tell you the obscure MCU cameo that I think this show needs. So first of all, Yousef Khan is a really fun character. And Ms. Marvel was a breath of fresh air, in part because it's so rare for superhero stories to embrace their entire family. I mean, Blue Beetle pulled off the the same trick and it was one of the best DC movies in years. Like Batman's stuff. Batman's a fascist. And Yusef was overall a welcome addition to the episode, except they really, really felt like they had to keep reminding us of who he was.

He awkwardly brings his daughter up into conversation even more than real-life fathers bring up their daughters in conversation. Anyway, this is my daughter, Portia. And he has this Ms. Marvel Funko Pop. Like Marvel used to leave Easter eggs like the Funko Pop in the background for us to find. You know, like how Steve's monkey drawing from First Avengers is on his desk in Civil in Civil War, but now they think they have to have characters pick up the Easter egg and talk about it. Miss Marvel? Mm-hmm. I'm not sure I'm familiar. This is her. Right here. A custom-designed

Funko in her honor. But that aside, he fit into the episode really well. The Swordsman, not so much. So the Swordsman is an actual important character from the Hawkeye Comics. He is the villain who trained Hawkeye, and eventually he becomes a hero, and he marries Mantis so she can give birth to Space Jesus long story. In Hawkeye, he was played by the great Tony Dalton, who really shines and better call Saul. But in Hawkeye, we just see him sword fight a little and he's, you know, just like a rich guy. And here we do see the swordsman on a phone in one of those increasingly irritating BB on the street interviews. I mean, look, guys, if you're going to do the swordsman,

do the swordsman. Maybe he's coming back in a later episode and this was just a tease. I don't know. But we were introduced to both the white tiger and the swordsman through news segments. And this is because the show is keeping their narrative tightly focused on Wilson Fisk and Matt Murdoch, which, you know, I complained about last week. But wouldn't you rather see White Tiger actually be a character before he gets killed off or have Daredevil encounter the swordsmen while they're stopping crime together? In his brief scene with the kingpin, Dalton does stand out as the one member of the 1% who actually tells Fisk the truth.

To make the people in this room at your own peril. Phone call to the right person and, well, bye, by Gracie Mansion. But this is very much the kind of cameo where they go, uh, we need a rich guy, let's see, call Tony Dalton's agent. But isn't that why we had Darcy and Jimmy Rue in WandaVision? Yes, but then they were ongoing cast members of the show. I mean, this just doesn't seem as well planned out as Wanda Vision was. But I did think that there is an obscure cameo this show could use

to really connect this show to the MCU in a way that would also bolster the story that they're telling. But before I tell you about that, I want to hear from Mike Lawrence and Mike Mazzella, Doug's lawyer. All right, so we have a special one here for you. guys. We have comedian Mike Lawrence from the Nerd of Mouth podcast, and of course, Mike Mazzella comedian and Doug's attorney. Mike Lawrence, what were your thoughts on these two episodes? I thought it was the best of times. It was the blurst of times. To paraphrase the Simpsons, I thought episode five was the best episode they had done so far, and I think one of the best hours of Barful television. And I thought episode six was a mess that you could not, you could

not not see the corporate fingerprints all over it. It was just so rushed. And it felt like three episodes of stuff in one episode. And I just think, like, what I loved about episode five was we got to see who Matt Murdoch, the hero is, that he genuinely cares for people. He did Arkham Stealth Takedowns, which was awesome. As a Batman fan Like I wanted like I felt like I was like

Playing Arkham Asylum and like if he died That Irish guy would just say a different U2 song to taunt him like I'm gonna send you out of the streets have no name But I love the part of the fight where he caught The shotgun too before it went off Like he did that twice He kept the weapon down

I appreciate little details like that in flight sequence Yeah and when he just smacked the guy in yellow That's the easiest way to distinguish these dudes their hoods when he smacked the guy in yellow against the wall like that he could be effective he didn't need to beat people up more than what was needed i i just thought it was a really great episode um and i was i was like into it the whole time like i liked the hostage negotiator i liked the main bad guy it was just really fun i mean even the you know the protestant st patrick's day thing and yeah this this episode had a humanity to it

it that I don't think Marvel properties often do. It felt like it was written by a person. Yeah, I mean, it felt like a real episode of television, like I was saying earlier. I want to touch on episode six real quick before we go over to other Mike. Sorry, Mike, you ended up being other Mike, but just comes from me and I'm really sorry. Totally okay being other Mike when the first mic is Mike Lawrence. Oh, yeah. You guys never met before, right?

No, me too, but okay. Although I did take a class that you taught one time, and it was awesome. Oh, nice. Oh, there you go. Was it free or did you have to pay? Yeah, it was free. Yeah, okay. It's free.

Nice. Okay, well, there you go. We just said, you know that he's not lying about it then. We just said a lot about each other. No. That's fun. So with episode six, you said you could, oh, go ahead. I was going to say, whoever wrote episode six should have taken that class.

Okay, so speaking of which, from your point of view, it was a bunch of people writing it, it sounds like. You say corporate fingerprints on it. Do you think this is this mishmash you're talking about? Are you thinking that's from when they did the rewrite? You know, like they had the series done, then Marvel came in, rework stuff. Because some of the reworking, like adding the Bullseye Fight and Karen and Foggy in episode one, I think, really worked. Yeah. What is it about this that that made it feel like it was Tony Dalton?

What do you got? That's nothing to do with Swordsman. I mean, to me, it's the complete buildup, reveal, and apprehension of music. in one episode. I think he's a really fascinating. He got away, though. They didn't capture him. Yeah.

It felt like he did. He got away at the end, whether you say it felt like it or not, he did get away so he could save Angela. All right. But anyways. Okay. No, you're right. But it just, it still felt like it was too early.

Like, you know, the whole thing, too, was he's not going to be Daredevil again. And he immediately becomes Daredevil. And for a good reason, oh, a guy killed. 60 people. I should probably be Daredevil. I don't know. I like the fist stuff a lot more here. It's just the Mews stuff. I think in the comics that was the Charles Soul run is when Mews is in there.

I love the idea that like there is a new type of evil that even Kingpin doesn't understand. Like everything Kingpin has done has been for a reason, has been for business, right? This guy just kills for fun. It kills for his art. I mean, News has so many layers to him that are just so interesting and that he sees himself as the hero. Again, I get what you're saying. It feels rushed. I personally wish he had powers, but like he does in the comics where his power is,

he can avoid sensory detection because it makes him the perfect foil for Daredevil, because the Daredevil can't see his art and he can't perceive Muse. Mike, I'm sorry, we're just going on here. What were your thoughts on that? Let's start with Episode 5. What did you think? You're all good. Episode 5, I thought was great.

I really like to see Matt in a grounded situation without, you know, obviously he has his superpowers, but he didn't have, you know, all of his other daredevil accoutreman. He didn't have his cane or anything, but he was able to kind of do a, like a, it almost felt like diehard, you know, like using the things around him. He even used the little butterscotch candy at the end as like the decoy jewel. I thought that was cool. He takes his cane apart and use that to beat up the robber in the alley. I also thought it was great that he grabbed a random mask and put it on and it just happened to

be the red one. That was awesome. Because he wouldn't be able, he wouldn't know. Yeah. And Yusuf Kahn was definitely his Reginald Vell Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Slash, Kim. Instead of Twinkies, he had butterscotch candies. Um, I really liked all of that. Like you said, the stealth mode stuff, catching the, uh, catching shotgun before it falls down the stairs to not alert the other robbers. And him kind of pulling a heist. He's like, oh, you know, all these people put all these months and hours into prepping and studying the vault and everything. And Matt Murdoch just walks up and puts his ear next to it and opens a, what did he say? It was like a four tumbler cylinder safe. I don't know. It was supposed to be a super uncrackable safe and he does it. Yeah, J519,

whatever it was. Yeah, he can't even see the numbers on the dial, but he still just knows just by listening to it. It's just awesome. Like cool daredevil, like flexing on everybody in this bank robbery scenario. And I thought that was just really cool to see. I agree with you. I think the Kamala Khan's like dad stuff was very heavy handed. And it kind of felt like, oh wait, that's Kamala Khan's dad? Yeah. He just said it like five times. He had a custom phono pop. Didn't you see it? It was bedazzled. There was a custom funko pop. You're right. He did hold it up and say this is a custom funco pop of Ms. Mark. That's, I should have caught that. And it was so. It was very like Madam Webb-esque, where they're like, oh, we're going to keep mentioning this person.

And we're even going to say at the end of the episode that Matt's coming over for dinner, but we're never going to actually show you Miss Marvel. But they had a good excuse. He said that she was in L.A. with some friends, which could be a potential set up for, I don't know, like, young Avengers, West Coast Avengers, some combination to something like that. Yeah, we talked about that in our Easter egg video. Yeah, she could be going out there to see Bruno at Caltech. But while she's out there, go see Cassie Lang up in San Francisco.

Yeah, there's a lot of stops along the way. They can go into the land that used to be Tony Stark's mansion on the cliff side and rebuild it. I don't know, something like that. But it was, you know, a cool nod, but I thought it was a little too heavy-handed. It's like, yeah, okay, we know who this guy is. And if you don't immediately know who he is, then you're not going to appreciate the Easter Reg anyway, so it doesn't need to be so blatant in your face. But it also made me question why Matt went to the bank in the first place, right?

He's asking for a loan, but as we discussed on a previous talk back, he's kind of changed his practice now, and he's representing these well-to-do high-end clientele. And it seems like, you know, this new firm Murdoch and Associates is going well. So, you know, I thought maybe it was possible that he knows that Kamla Khan is Ms. Marble and was possibly going there to do a little recruiting or to like keep tabs on local vigilantes because maybe he's worried about the vigilante task force and, and fit. But no, it just seems like he was just there to get alone. Yeah, I don't think they're thinking quite that far ahead yet as far as like, I'll talk about that later on, like, ways I think they should tie these cameos in better, which I do want to ask you guys about. But first, what were your thoughts on episode six?

Episode six, I really liked. I really liked the stuff with Muse. I do think you're right. There was a lot of stuff all jam-packed into it, but it touches on a lot of important themes and topics in the show. And I think it's kind of like a mid-season, reset for like what the remaining episodes are going to be like um so it's like okay we did all of the mat as a lawyer stuff we had kind of like an irish cultural heritage episode with the bank robbery

which is something that marvel has liked to do with the tv shows um and now they're like and now we're going to get back to him really being daredevil we're going to show you him in the suit we're going to show you him fighting muse and what i thought was one of the best fight scenes that i've seen in any disney plus show just really really truly an amazing fight just between the two of them. And, yes, I love the intercutting between him and Kingpin and Kingpin Fight Adam, not just like the similar

moves, but, you know, I've talked about this all season in our Easter egg videos about how those two are mere opposites of each other, and they really play that up in the Netflix series and in this one, which is why there's only two protagonists in the show. We don't get to see any other side characters. Sorry, keep going. A word on that fight, too. I thought it was so

funny that, like, Fisk gives him this big speech about fighting guys bigger than him and that he always, like, needed an equalizer, and then he throws him an axe, which probably for anybody else is a deadly weapon, but I think Kingpin could probably snap that axe handle like over his knee. So he's really just giving Adam the false sense of, you could maybe win this fight, maybe.

Also, also an artist, a visual artist who's malnourished, you know? Right, right, right. Like the guy had no chance anyways, you know. But it's like, yeah, what was he going to do? Like he should have given him paper mache, and he could have made, like, a gun. Or just give him a gun. You could always try that.

I think, like, looking at it again, I watched that fight several times. I think he gave him a hatchet because there's only one way you can fight with a weapon like that, which is wide swing, so he knows how he's going to move. He knows how to dodge him. Whereas if you'd give him, I don't know, a sword,

like the swordsman was shown wielding, then that would have been different. So let me ask you guys about this cameo thing. So I've been all season long, I've been like, gee, I wish this tied in better. wish the hole would have been put there by Spider-Man instead of a random hole placed in the city. With this episode, I finally got my cameos, but I thought, like, again, the, oh, he was Kamala Khan's dad, right? I thought that was a little bit clunky, and I thought the swordsman was cool, cool.

You got to have a rich guy in there bringing Tony Dalton, but is he going to be back? Is this all we're going to get? I'm tired of heroes being, like, shown on news clips, like the White Tiger. Mike Lawrence, what did you think about the way we got these cameos and how they're tying this in? Is it a gentle touch? Is it not enough? Where are we at? I thought the Yousef-1 worked better. It's like if you're going to have a guy there and he's a banker, might as well make it somebody. I agree the references got egregious. You could have taken two out and there would have been enough. But I thought the idea that like, I mean, even though, yeah,

this guy has a daughter with like these you know quantum bands and stuff he still very well may get shot in the head and she's not coming to save him like there's a very dire um stakes there and and and i liked that um the swordsman thing yeah i didn't care about as much it's also like the problem is like who's a vigilante and who's a superhero right because in this universe the Avengers are beloved There are government-sanctioned teams. Captain America has his own musical. And then there's like, but there's this vigilante class that is seen as like less, like, respected and improper. And, I mean, I guess they're trying to say it's because they hide their identities is why. Yeah, but, I mean, yeah, but, but some of the, some of the other superheroes do too, I guess. Maybe, man, people are going to hate me. I didn't remember movies was captured.

But even the high of the area, but Spider-Man, bum, you know, before, before no way home. He was brought into the Avengers and all of that. So, ooh, I saved myself. I mean, people are still going to hate me because I'm a reflection. Hey, man, you're recovering for being sick. It's all good. Yeah, I am. But, yeah, I just, like I said, like there were things I, like almost everything in this episode

should have been in an episode. It just, yeah, should have been like two parts or something. I really, when you look at like that, you know, that reveal of, you know, Adam, I think at the end of episode four, mused with Angela, that should have been your cliffhanger. I can see that. And then seven is about how Daredevil has to do something about it. Because we do this whole vigilante cop thing, but we don't really see them.

Well, the show, I've talked about this before, it only wants to have two protagonists, right? Like, it only wants to focus on Matt and Wilson, which works well pretty well in the show, but you get some points where you're like, gee, it would have been nice if Hector was a character or if Heather could have been, had a little bit more something

to do. And in this case, everything we know about Angela is through when she tells Matt. There's a lot of telling. You know, we see her in those train tracks only because she just told Matt, I'm going to the train tracks. You know, you don't really get a sense of her invested. We don't see Muse capture her.

You know, it's just she's in the tracks. She hears a noise, and then she strung over his shoulder. So I take your meaning there. Like, that could have been stretched out. And again, like, if it were the comics, Matt would have brought her back to life with the ambulance, you know, like she would already be the new White Tiger, and that would have been an origin, and they'd have a spinoff limited series planned after that. And to your point, wouldn't Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, even though they don't have masks,

they are considered vigilantes? I don't think they're well-known, though. I think, like, Luke Cage is well-known in the way. neighborhood, right? Like Harlem knows the cage, but I don't think maybe like... Yeah, and Fiske is the mayor of New York. Well, Jessica Jones did in, I think it was season one, she got like kidnapped by those people whose families died in the Battle of New York, which has the worst line of any Marvel show, which is, so go after the big green guy, the flag waiver. I wasn't even there.

Because they, I guess they legally couldn't say Captain America, like the dude with the hammer, the big green guy, the flag waiver. God. Every time I think about that line. She's a great actor. Yeah, the incident. Yeah, they kept saying the incidents. Like, he didn't shit his pants.

There was an alien attack. Loki might have shoot his pants when the Hulk smashed him to the ground. You know what they should have done is like whenever that movie came out, I think it was like May 3rd or May 4th, 2000. Well, just call it May 3rd. Yeah. You know, the events that happened on May 3rd. I think it's because everywhere else they say what happened in New York. You know, like Natalie.

Portman slaps Loki and says, that's for New York. But in New York, we're not going to be like, we don't refer to 9-11 as New York. You know, there's a name for it. But I don't know, people wouldn't remember May 3rd. They didn't have to say the incident. You're right. The incident was such a lame way to put it. However, Mike, lawyer Mike, Doug's attorney, Mike, what were your thoughts on the cameos, right? Do you think that we're getting, does this feel like it's part of the MCU? Do you want to see more? You want to see less? And what cameo do you maybe want to see popping up in here? Yeah, I really liked it. I think the jacked cameo made sense. Not necessarily the swordsman part at the beginning, that little news clip, but him being at that reception with Fisk, that served, I think,

a necessary part of the story to show that the oligarchs and like the billionaires and millionaires in New York are a little apprehensive about Fisk still, even though he's one of them and, you know, is looking out, I think they hoped would be looking out for their interests as wealthy individuals and appears to only be looking out for his own interests by redeveloping the dock area and that whole plan. But I think it's like, it's that thing where the rich will turn on the mayor if he's not protecting them because of the crime on the streets. That's a thing that they feel, right?

If you're a billionaire and you get sick, you can afford the best doctors. You're a billionaire and you get sued, you can afford the best lawyers. But if somebody just kind of comes out of an alley and shoots you, like you're still a human being, you're going to die. And I think that their interest is for pushing him to then go and create the vigilante task force and get real serious about it and pull in all of these cops that are like the captain described, like the worst apples in the bushel, and putting them dead set on a task of go out there, violate people's civil rights, get criminals off the street through any means possible and that is I think it's weighing very heavily on Wilson and that's what makes him make

that decision we see that he's stressed out things are not going his way he's getting bad coverage in the press he's gaining weight his suits don't fit him anymore we saw that in this episode so I think that all of that was necessary to build on his psyche to get him to the point of being like you know what no more rules I filled a pothole without getting a permit I can send cops out to go and just beat people up And that's what I do. And to that point, right, one unintentional thing that they did, obviously, was the rich being afraid of crime and you had like the real life assassination of the United CEO. And now we have these.

I wonder honestly, some of this was reworked in response to that, knowing that, you know, that had happened in December or in October sometime in Q4 last year and that the tribe. No, no, to the next episode, Iron Mangione is going to come in. Oh, nice. Right. Yeah, no, they confirmed that. That's in like the teaser for next episode. So to that point, though, as far as like life imitating art, you know, you know the legal system. What do you think they're doing with Fisk's task force? And because isn't there like a subculture of some police that I know there's like the guys of Punisher tattoos, but where are they drawn from real life there? Yeah, the quintessential cop with the Punisher tattoo has become kind of a bad joke at this point. But it's a real thing that we have seen in the last few years being uncovered by this. DOJ of the previous administration did a wide-reaching report looking at a bunch of police departments and found that some of them, I can think of two big examples off the top of my head in Los Angeles County, their sheriff's department, each one of their stations had a different kind of like gang

tattoo that they would all have and that they would compete against each other for arrests and that that competitiveness and you know kind of mob mentality led them to violate a lot of people's civil rights. And then when you think about, you know, so that's, that's one side of it with the tattoo and kind of the mentality of that as a police officer that maybe is not as concerned with upholding the law and more concerned with doing what they think is right, those people that think they're embodying the Punisher when they're not. And then the other side of it is like a task force. What does a special task force mean? Well, a lot of the times these special task force get permissions that other cops don't have. They get to, you know, skip the line or not

have to do as much of the paperwork and the other things that they would have to do in order to carry out their missions. They get extra equipment and like military style gear in order to carry out their missions. It can lead to them being particularly cruel to the people that they police. And one of the best examples of this, well, really a horrible example of it, is what happened to Tyree Nichols in 2003 in Memphis, that a scorpion squad, they called them. They took some of the most aggressive police officers and put them all into a task force to go out and crack down on drugs and violent crime, and they ended up dragging an innocent man out of his car and beating him the death in the middle of the street. So, you know, this is an art, right? This show is art,

but it does reflect life. It does touch on some very serious issues. And when you have a main character like Daredevil, who is a lawyer, of course, one of the big criticisms that's going to be touched on in this show is the litany of problems in a criminal justice system. Yeah, I mean, in episode four, I got really tired of hearing the phrase the system. the system the system for a show that i like so much i do complain about it a lot but mike lawrence there's also a lot of telling in this show and not a lot of showing um again i'm not going to dive too deep into the bb on the street stuff but i'm really tired of it like i'm really tired of just hearing people say things and not really seeing it backed up it's just like getting these

little sound bites that don't really bring us anywhere but i want to talk about the charles soul run right where during mayor fisk there was this vigilante task force what do you remember from that run that you think they could adapt into this story for season one or season two i mean it could continue one after this i mean the muse stuff was my favorite part of it it was pretty great i thought it was really cool and i thought it even in the comics that ended abruptly because it it is hard to make a new compelling villain for a character and it's like if it works and there's like heat there like that was the thing like i like the news things um because they were building up who muse is and all of that.

That's where I was like, you know, in this episode, like, you just show the two girls, right? Or you just, you know, and you have people saying it's not safe to go out on the street. If there's a parade or some public function that, I mean, because we know this happens in real life. If there's riots, if there is serial killers, right? The son of Sam. People stayed in. And that was like, you know, this is a dude who's killed 60 people. And nobody noticed.

Yeah. And yeah, like, I think it's interesting when, like, I think they do touch on that a little bit with Angela, but I don't think they get into it fully enough. Or at least I would have liked to see Matt wrestle with that a little bit more. And like, you know what? No. Like, it was also, it was also weird. This is me being really nerdy. But she, he knows that she's in. peril and he's like yeah man but i got to do the billy club pose like it actually like it actually would have been quicker to get like in a cab or take the train but he's like i got to do my fan service billy club pose well he doesn't he doesn't live in hell's kitchen anymore that stop that they show on 66 is really close to lincoln center in hell's kitchen does he say where he lives because now you've got me wondering, like, well, at that point, he probably should have just taken the train down, because I don't know how fast-year-old. She was on the Q-line, right?

No, no, no, she was on West Side. Well, look, I don't know what line she was on, but they showed the red line, which is on the, Mike and I. Yeah, you're right, yeah. But that doesn't mean she was in there. That's the thing, like, again, with the BB stuff. And look, I got to tell you, man, I loved when they introduced BB Urick, because I hated that they killed Ben Urick in season one, because I love Ben Urick as a character.

He knows Matt Stairdevil. And I want to see her investigating this stuff. I want to see her doing things. I want to see her be a main character in the show. And to just get kind of, oh, boy, it's not safe out here. There's that really awful soundbite where the guy was like, evil versus evil, good versus good. I was like, nobody talks like that. Come on.

Like, if you stop in New Yorker on the street and say, hey, what do you think of the way? You know, like, they're not going to say that. They're just to get the fuck out of my face with that microphone. I want to see her hang out with sleeveless Gandalfi anymore. Same. That was like one of the. the few scenes that we had where it wasn't this stuff. And of course, it relates to it, but give me more of that. And look, maybe the muse stuff is really going to amp up in episode

seven. Now, Daredevil knows that the public knows there's a serial killer. I keep thinking of the Wire season five, actually. And I hope they don't catch him by episode nine. You know, the cool thing about those Charles Soul comics was there was real peril. There was muse and all these other things that vigilantees were trying to stop while the cops were trying to stop them. It was a great dynamic. Now, I think it's going to continue into season two, though. I think we're going to get Luke Cage and Jessica Jones and a whole reunion, probably not ironed. But to go back to the difference of the superheroes and the vigilantes, doesn't murdering 60 people, like, make Shield want to sick some of their guys? Or the FBI at the very least?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not Shield, though, because, I mean, or whatever, maybe so, no, damage control, right? And I want to talk about damage control in just a little bit, but, like, we don't really have that domestic superhero agency, which, I mean, if we're going to keep nervous. and out and complaining about stuff. With Brave New World, I kept thinking, oh, cool, Ross is going always not. He's just trying to get his daughter back. Okay, cool. That's fine, too. But, like, there's a lot of missed opportunities within the greater story of the MCU where they could have been doing, setting up this kind of thing. But when you're laying the tracks in front of the train, it's really hard to do. I get that. Yeah, I mean, there's been MCU movies where less than 60 people

died. It's a, it's a big, fucking amount of people. I don't know if they ever released a death toll in the Battle of New York. I always, think of the Ultimates comic where the Halt killed 300 people, but I don't think it was that many. And Freddie Prince Jr., right? Freddy Prince Jr. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he eats Freddie Prince Jr. Because he was jealous because Betty went out with him.

That's deep cut, Mike. Well done. Go ahead, lawyer, Mike. I thought one of the more interesting things of this episode, too, is that those two girls that Mews murders just walk right up to him and are like, can we take a picture of you? Ooh, artists on the street. Like, is he supposed to be Banksy in this world? Is that, is there some kind of underground, like, cult follow?

following for Mews, people started to subreddit and they're like posting pictures of his art and being like, I wonder who this is on the wall. We should see that. In the comics, the same thing happens, but he lets them go. But what I thought was interesting about the two women in this episode was that they were, they happened to be dressed in these contrasting colors that matched his mural. So I think that's why he killed them. Go ahead, Mike.

I was going to say that I think it's interesting that you said that because I do kind of get the vibe from Mews. And I believe this was a part of the comic run when he was introduced that he maybe sees himself as being part of the solution as well. Like, he's almost like the riddler and the Matt Reeves Batman where he thinks he's doing the right thing. He thinks that he's actually like buddies with Batman. Maybe Muse thinks that him and Daredevil have some shared interests and affinity with each other. One million percent. Also that element of the, you know, online subculture that has like a sick fascination or obsession with this murderer. I hope they died in that aspect, the true crime,

fans and stuff like that. I hope he also becomes like a celebrity like he views himself. Go ahead, Mike Lawrence. I just remembered that Muce is he's an inhuman. Yep. And that actually is the worst sentencing you can get in the MCEU.

Oh boy, they sure did wipe him away. I like the idea that there's an inhuman like, hey, let me show you that one of us knows what art is. I love the idea of a villain who thinks they're the hero, which is exactly what makes muse cool. So I want to thank you guys. I got to leave it there, but I want to talk to you guys about who I think should be the cameo to really kind of cement this show as part of the MCU.

Mike, again, has the Nerd of Mouse podcast. Mike Mazzelli can find all of his social links below. Thank you guys so much. Now, episode six did have this awesome moment where Fisk rallied crooked cops to become the vigilante task force. The city is yours and you're not going to let some mass criminals. taken away from you. But he can't send those cops after vigilantes like Luke Cage and Daredevil. They're going to need some augmented gear, some, you know, old Shatari gear. And this is where I would like to see the return of Tyne Daily as Anne-Marie Hogue.

Her? She's the woman we see running damage control very briefly in Spider-Man Homecoming. Now, the Damage Control comics were a lot of fun. They're about people who clean up after superhero battles. And at one point, ABC was developing an MCU series about damage control, which may have starred Tyne Daily reprising her role from the comics. In Spider-Man No Way Home and Ms. Marvel, we do see Agent Cleary running elements of damage control. The agency is no longer just cleaning up after battles, now they are full-on policing superheroes.

After they confiscated the Stark drones and No Way Home, we see them reused against Comron and Ms. Marvel. So I hope at some point this season, Cleary and Marie Hogue, or maybe Sadie DeVier, are brought back out on the job. I mean, Alyssa Reiner is a great actor and she could really dive deep into a drama like Daredevil. The point is, these are the kind of cameos that wouldn't just be Easter egg bait. would use the greater fabric of the MCU to tell the story of Daredevil. Imagine Fisk having his own vigilante task force that has Tony Stark gear. That would be amazing in a huge escalation for season two. Well, guys, that's just what we thought of episodes 5 and 6. Let me hear your thoughts down in the comments below or at me on Twitter, Blue Sky, or Threads. And if it's

your first time here, please subscribe, smash that bell for alerts. For Screen Crush, I'm Ryan Erie. You know,