ScreenCrush: The Podcast! - Why 2026 is the Make-or-Break Year for Marvel Studios

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 2026 is the make or break year for Marvel Studios. I think after next year, the franchise is either going to be back on top or doomed to spiral downward like so much Loki, not taking Thor's hand. Personally, I think this is the year for the big Marvel comeback, but we do have a lot to talk about. Welcome back Screen Crush, I am Ryan Erie, and let's talk about whether or not Marvel Studios is going to thrive or die next year. Later, I'm going to be joined by Colton and Tommy,
Starting point is 00:00:23 but first let me give you guys the lay of the land here. So the industry likes to say that Marvel Studios is a studio that likes to take risks. But that's an understatement. The studio is actually completely built on risk. The company was less than a decade out from bankruptcy when they decided to suddenly produce their own big budget movies, so they borrowed half a billion dollars to make that happen. They decided to make box office headliners out of Iron Man and Captain America. They gave the Guardians of the Galaxy a movie. And mostly, the idea of an interconnected movie universe just should not work. It's a lot to ask fans to watch several different franchises to understand one
Starting point is 00:00:57 movie, but they did it. The risk paid off. The more importantly, think about the insane run of quality in these films, like Winter Soldier and Guardians came out just a few months apart in the same year. And then, in a row, we had Civil War, Guardians 2, Homecoming, Ragnarock, Black Panther, and Infinity War. That's the 27 Yankees of superhero films. And then after endgame, Marvel continued to think big and take bigger chances. They tied their universe even closer to TV shows. Again, that's a lot to ask from your audience. So this meant that they released more hours of programming in phase four than they did in the entire Infinity saga. Like if Marvel Studios were just making comics, that wouldn't be a problem. You can just hire more artists and writers. But film production is a huge logistical beast. It takes thousands of people working together over years,
Starting point is 00:01:44 and frankly, Marvel's timeline pressure eventually just broke the Hollywood system. CG artists needed more time on She-Hulk and Quantummania. Shows were rushed out of development too fast, like Secret Invasion, which basically was so awful. They shot it twice, but it still sucks. And with the Multiverse saga, we all felt it. Marvel was laying down the tracks in front of the train. Movies like the Thunderbolts and Brave New World and First Steps were cut to Rivens.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Thor Love and Thunder didn't even have a script. They improvised half of it. Then they started to drop entire scenes of TV shows in one or two weeks, kind of like they were dropping weight off a speeding train. And eventually, keeping up with everything just seemed like too much of a burden for a lot of fans, and so a lot of people decided that Marvel was just too much.
Starting point is 00:02:21 And once fans decide to jump off a franchise, It is really hard to get them back. Because frankly, it's easier not to follow Marvel. After all, there is just already so much other stuff for us to watch and do right now. And everyone is just competing for your attention and your money. And I don't blame fans for watching Secret Invasion and thinking, well, Marvel's lost its mojo. What else is on? But behind the seeds, Marvel was learning from their mistakes and reconfiguring their entire structure.
Starting point is 00:02:48 And this is where I really admire this studio. They could have just retreated into safety and what works for them. They could have just brought back the original Avengers to play their original roles and giving them a ton of money and given us more of the same, and they would have done really well. But instead, they're giving us the gift of 2026, which looks like it's going to be the weirdest, most risk-taking year that Marvel Studios has ever had. So let me talk about what's releasing next year, and then I'm going to bring on Tommy and Colton so they can tell me what they think is wrong and how Marvel is maybe fixing it or whether or not they're doomed to fail. First, there are six TV shows coming out next year. Ah, geez. No, no, no, hear me out. In the past, Marvel TV shows were billed as essential entertainment.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Like, you had to watch them to understand the movies. But now we know, you don't really got to watch Sheehawk to understand Deadporn Wolverine. But other shows like Loki and Wanda Vision were important to the movies. Of the shows coming out next year, most of them are totally independent from the films. Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Season 2 is technically a multiversal story that is unaffiliated with the rest of the slate. And by the way, X-Men 97 took another huge risk. It's a sequel to a 1990s animated series that, like, barely limped into its last season with just 10 episodes, and half of those were really poorly animated to save money. But I would argue that remember it is the best episode of any Marvel TV show, period. So we're getting a second season of that show.
Starting point is 00:04:05 And then there's also the Punisher Special Presentation, which, by the way, I really think they should make into a film and release on the big screen and make more money, but whatever. And that promises to be a gory, violent shoot-em-up, which frankly is a love letter to fans. And this shows how Marvel's learning from their mistakes. I mean, remember, at first, they didn't want to acknowledge the Netflix shows because they didn't come from Marvel Studios.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Right, they didn't? No, I mean, long story short, Marvel TV used to be a separate division from the movies. And then TV came under Kevin Feige's purview. And at first, and by the way, this is crucial, Marvel made a big mistake with their shows. They treated the shows like movies. This is why we have so many seasons of TV shows
Starting point is 00:04:39 that feel like one movie cut up into small sections. But then they learned from their mistake. And they reorganize the TV division under Brad Winterbaum to a more traditional TV structure. Now, creators pitch pilot scripts, they go through development, etc. know, just like they've been making TV shows for nearly a century. Before, it was just Marvel Studios deciding which shows they want to make and then hiring people to make those shows. So this
Starting point is 00:04:59 means that now we're going to see a higher quality of show and most importantly a more traditional show structure. So no more seasons that feel like movies cut into six parts. Now the show I am most excited for next year is Vision Quest from Picard's Season 3 showrunner Terry Metallis. I saw the trailer at Comic Con and it looks weird as absolute hell guys. It brings back Ultron, introduces speed, you know, Wanda and Vision's of their son, and it completes this whole Wanda Vision trilogy. And on top of that, there's Wonder Man, which looks like it's completely different from any other superhero TV show we've ever seen. That is from Destin Daniel Creighton, who also gave a Shang Chi and Spider-Man brand new day. And if Marvel is given this guy a Spider-Man movie, they must like what they see from Wonder Man.
Starting point is 00:05:37 And Daredevil Born Again is another example of Marvel learning from their mistakes. During the strikes of 2023, they realized that the show wasn't really working, so they brought on Dario Scardopane as a new showrunner. So this season is actually his first, true season completely in charge. If you thought season one felt a little bit uneven, it's because it was basically two shows they Frankenstein together. And there's also a chance that the new season of Born Again will tie in directly to Spider-Man Brand New Day, but that's not yet confirmed. And on the box office side, Marvel only has two announced projects, and they're both proven billion-dollar draws. Spider-Man Brand New Day teams up Spidey with the Punisher and the Hulk, and Avengers Doomsday is by far
Starting point is 00:06:13 the biggest, craziest risk that the studio has ever taken. And that's actually saying something. But I'm joined by two of my favorite people. We have Colton Ogburn, the guy who's trapped our television and doesn't know it. So please don't tell him. And Tommy Beck told the guy who's always on break. Guys, I don't know. I'll be honest. Before this, like this past weekend at Comic-Con, I, well, not past weekend, but you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:06:33 I did. I mean, Marvel, I was like, cool. We're going to cover Marvel stuff. Being in that room and feeling the electricity from fans around like Wonder Man and stuff like that and X-Men 97, I'm genuinely excited for what's to come, but I can't help but reflect on how we got here. Tommy, I just, you know, I talked about this little bit ago. I was wondering if you have anything to offer before we get into this upcoming year and why it's important.
Starting point is 00:06:55 How do you think Marvel got to this point where fans were skeptical of their quality? Well, I think it's two things. One, it is way more sexy to be a contrarian, but now everyone is a contrarian. So there's like kind of a group thing. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's ridiculous. There's a group thing ever to just pan everything. Hashtag Tommy's wrong.
Starting point is 00:07:15 And let us know in the comments why you think Tommy's wrong. If you do, I will find you with my new group of people. I will find him. Tommy troops will be coming to your door. No, I think that it's just like more popular now to hate monolithic things like the MCU or Taylor Swift or the NFL or whatever. And it's like it's just you're always going to get more engagement. So it seems like there's this. I mean, that's one side of it.
Starting point is 00:07:42 The other side is the box office numbers and the ratings do reflect that there's a huge amount of fatigue. And the studio's attitude reflects the fatigue when they dump these shows, as you mentioned earlier, out in two weeks. It's like, how are we supposed to feel the gravity of these projects when you're like, and just get it all out of the way in a fortnight? I think that Marvel has instructed us to care less. In a fortnight? Yeah, two weeks. Shakespeare. Yeah, no, no, no, I got it.
Starting point is 00:08:12 Shakespearean. I've read a book. I've read hop on pop. for Abraham Lincoln now. I totally get it. That's great. Ryan thought you meant the video game. Look.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Look, there's a video game about Abraham Lincoln writing speeches. That's incredible. Yeah, you haven't played it? We all know, Iron Man 2 came out 67 scores ago, okay? It's a long time ago. By the way, Tommy, who writes out all of his years in Roman numerals.
Starting point is 00:08:35 That's right. That's right. Yeah, I hear you about the negativity and stuff and why, you know, it's the backlash to the backlash that think it's just begun. But it's also just, you know, there's a reason they dumped Ironheart, which I'll never forgive them for in two weeks. You know, there's a reason that the box office didn't perform well for Thunderbolts,
Starting point is 00:08:53 one of their best movies in years. Colton, where do you think they went wrong with fans and why they so desperately need 2026? Well, I think fans, especially like you talked about being at Comic-Con, I think that we've always kind of like still been here, like getting pumped for any trailer that they drop because that's just, you know, it's in our DNA. we get excited for these things, even if, you know, we perhaps notice that the quality has dropped here and there.
Starting point is 00:09:20 But I think that excitement, and I was at Comic-Con as well, you always feel it. Like, even at this point in time when things aren't looking great for the MCU, I think where they went wrong was they really needed to pump the brakes and, like, take a break after endgame, but they didn't do that. They went right into Spider-Man, what was it, far from home, and then, you know, they started pumping out like Black Widow and. all these other movies. I think they would have benefited from taking maybe like a year break and then starting, like they started with phase one, building up slow and then doing that Avengers
Starting point is 00:09:55 movie, you know, a smaller thing, have Shehulk there. I know I'm going to get in trouble for saying Shehulk, but bring in all these new characters and have that small level Avengers film. They didn't do that. They just threw a bunch of shit at the wall and they rushed to having their next big culmination event, which I do think fans are going to be excited for. But I mean, they're excited for it because it feels like a sequel to endgame more than it feels like a sequel to all this other stuff. And I think that's what's going to pull people back in. Yeah, we're going to get to doomsday in a little bit. I'm pretty dubious about it still.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I'm excited for this next year. It's weird the thing I'm least excited about is the Avengers movie. But you got to remember, though, you're talking about how they dumped a lot of stuff really fast. We do. I don't want to get demonetized. So there was this thing called the Panorama Ding Dong that happened, right, in 2020. and that pushed back a lot of stuff that they were doing. The reason we had three movies and five shows in 2021
Starting point is 00:10:50 was because production was so halted and they had a backlog, I guess. But I don't know, man. I'm still kind of feeling like they were putting the carpet for the horse so much. They were being forced to put things out for streaming, and they did a bad job of tying the two together, I think. Well, and they lost the... We've always been here.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Like, we may be critical of what's... they're putting out here and there, but we're still here. I think the diehard fans were still here. What made the MCU so big was not us. It was my mom and your guy's moms and our, you know, brothers and says, and our friends who, you know, work real jobs for a living. And it's them that the MCU used to have interested in that, you know, people would, to quote Tim Robbins, I don't know if you guys have seen that movie friendship, but there's a new Marvel out. And I hear it's really good. We got to see it. That was the general audience. And they've loved. that because now it just feels like homework and oh, well, I didn't see the last two. I didn't
Starting point is 00:11:47 watch that show. I don't pay for Disney Plus. That's who they've lost and who they need to get back. I think we're always here. We're shackled to it. We're not going anywhere. It's that general audience they need to pull back in. Yeah, and it feels like homework when it's when it's not as good. I mean, let's face it. Nobody ever was like, oh, man, did you watch better call Saul? I can. I haven't seen Breaking Bad. It feels like homework. You know, if something's great and fun to watch, it doesn't feel like homework. I do think there was a point where they had this idea, right? Where everything that came out, like, well, I've got to watch this.
Starting point is 00:12:18 So I understand the next Avengers movie. I want to understand this next thing. And as soon as something comes out like Secret Invasion, you can pick one Shehawk and Moon Night. I don't think they're as bad as everybody says. As soon as that comes out, you're like, so wait, where does this connect? And I keep going back to why the hell was there not an Avengers movie already to team these guys up? And, you know, Thunderbolts probably should have come out a couple phases.
Starting point is 00:12:40 earlier. But again, Tommy, I think you're right. I think that people are like on the bandwagon of hating this, hating that, and things always swing back around one way or the other. But this next year, I'm wondering if this is going to be a year when they can win back, well, as my barber once said, grown men who care about cartoon characters, which is essentially what they did, or if it's just going to be more of the same. Tommy, do you think this upcoming slate's good for us or good for like, you know, mom? The civilians? Yeah, the civilians.
Starting point is 00:13:12 No, I think that, listen, where I think that when that first true minute 30, two-minute trailer comes out for Doomsday, a lot of the hype is going to return to the civilian class, and I'm going to start hearing from my friends that they're like, do I need to see this movie? This movie looks great. Robert Johnny Jr.'s back. And that is why that casting is important to bring back the casuals. You're right.
Starting point is 00:13:37 You're right. You know, we can malign it all we want. We can roll our eyes and we can theorize. But, like, he is going to put butts in seats. Robert Downey Jr. alone is going to get people to come see this movie. And, you know, hopefully whatever they decide to do with that character is dense and rich enough to, like, kind of propel the MCU back on track without needing heavy involvement from Robert Downey Jr. But I think that I'm optimistic about Doomsday. I think that, like, I think that bringing the X-Men in is going to be really exciting and fun.
Starting point is 00:14:12 And I do, I would air on the side of it being a massive smash, getting closer to that $1 billion mark again than being like it's going to do $450 million. Oh, yeah. Well, all right. Before we get into movies in Doomsday and Robert Down Jr., too far, thank you for that tease. If you follow the incredibly detailed outline, you'll see that we're talking about that towards the end. So we can micro-hook it throughout this. That's okay. That's okay. But we're going to leave it in, even though there was an incredibly four-point detailed outline.
Starting point is 00:14:42 And I read it twice is the worst part. I do, okay, I do want to talk about Doomsday because, again, you're talking about butts and seats, whereas I'm over here like, well, but actually, Tony Stark is not Dr. Doom. So it is two completely different sets of fans. I want to know what you guys are excited about for the TV. I'm more of it. I'll be honest. I love TV, right? If I could spend the rest of my life getting caught up on streaming shows, I would be happy.
Starting point is 00:15:03 So I'm really excited for this season, this slate of TV coming up. But do you guys, Coltsman, we'll start with you. What are you excited about? And maybe what do you think is something they shouldn't bother with? I don't know. Where are you out on this TV slate? Well, I'd like to pivot back to Avengers Doomsday. Great.
Starting point is 00:15:19 You just would stick to the outline. You see right here is where we're talking about the movies. We're going to talk about brand new day and then Doomsday. And this is the TV section that we get people to stick around for while they're waiting for the thing. with microhooks throughout the video. People who watch screenbrush videos know all of this. You know, we also know that, you know, we're listening to your voice. That's right.
Starting point is 00:15:40 We listen to your voice. That's Doug, a proxy for your voice. So you understand what I'm talking about. Colton, go ahead. Talk about TV shows now. Yeah. Well, I think that Shears was, no, I'm sorry. Dareno Born Again, Season 2 I'm very excited for because, you know, I won't get on my
Starting point is 00:15:56 soapbox here, but I was somewhat disappointed with the first season of Born Again. I didn't think it quite lived. up to the Netflix series. But you could really see at the beginning and the end of that season, which was reworked by like the new showrunners and they were embracing like the old Netflix style, you could see the potential there. And now season two is being done with that same team. And I think it'll have a more consistent feel that doesn't, you know, feel like they reworked
Starting point is 00:16:25 the entire thing, like once they were in the middle of production. So I'm really excited for Born Again. Yeah, Jessica Jones. Yeah, and I may have seen, like, the, you know, the leak trailer from Comic-Con posted on Twitter or whatever. It looks really good. So, yeah, and Jessica Jones, yes. Kristen Ritter leaked the trailer on her Instagram.
Starting point is 00:16:44 She's like, hey, look up at Comic-Con and she would seem to her. God bless her. She was in. I mean, dude, she took that stage, like, she had never left it, man. She, like, slipped right back into that persona and the role. I still think that they're going to bring Luke Cage on, though, because I really thought he was going to show up at that panel because he was also. also in the building. He also had a gap in his schedule. And I think they were leaving that
Starting point is 00:17:05 open, but they opted to not show him in the trailer so they could reveal him early next year. Tommy, what about you on the TV side? I want to talk about Wonder Man a second, but what are you stoked about? Oh, I am very excited for X-Men 97 season two. I am very, very, I loved the continuation of that show. I think for men of my age, that show was a pretty, like, pivotal cartoon for us. And like, a lot of us, I think we may have discussed it. It was like, inroad to Marvel for me, honestly. Like, I wasn't an avid comic book reader as a little kid. And I, you know, I started watching the Amazing Spider-Man cartoon and the X-Men cartoon,
Starting point is 00:17:40 and I was all in Batman the Ed Man series. Not that we're talking about that. But so I'm very excited about that. I'm excited for Wonder Man. I know we're going to talk about that. And I'll get into why. But, like, to me, getting excitement around this character is, like, similar to the way that Marvel figured out a way to get us excited about Iron Man,
Starting point is 00:17:57 which was not a character that I particularly cared about in 2008. And not many people did. Yeah, I was just kind of like, all right, well, I know Iron Man because I have, you know, some knowledge of the comics, but like, I'm a Spider-Man guy, I'm an X-Man guy. And then, like, you want me to get all in on Iron Man. And by, like, the end of that movie, I was like, I will watch a hundred of these. So I know it's a TV show, but I'm hoping that similarly you take this character that, like, the average media consumer that might like superhero stuff doesn't have a ton of familiarity with, and you make them fall in love with this character. And I similarly have that excitement. Well, the interesting thing about Wonder Man is, I remember back in 2012 or 13 when I saw they released concept art for Guardians of the Galaxy, and I was like, this movie will be amazing because they're doing things here we haven't seen before, James Gunn's amazing.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Wonder Man is one of these things where I'm looking at it and I'm going, I don't know what the hell this is from the trailer. And that's great. As a guy who consumes this stuff professionally, not knowing what's going to happen is such a great feeling. If I had a guess, I would say that creepy director's idea is to actually turn the lead into a superhero. Like, he's like the Barron Zemo of it. That might happen.
Starting point is 00:19:04 But man, it's also just a show that seems like it's a parody of L.A. It's a parody of Marvel Studios. And they're kind of lightening up. And I think that's what people need. The problem, I think, is with their TV shows, they have to do one of two things. They have to use movie characters to pull in movie fans. Like Vision Quest, I think it's going to be huge. I think it's going to be bigger than Daredevil.
Starting point is 00:19:23 I think Daredevil, like, on the channel, we didn't see massive views from it, but we have loyal views. People loved Wanda Vision, right? I think people came around to Agatha all along. People are thirsty for Vision Quest. Wonder Man's one of those shows, though. I wonder if it can do what Disney Plus needs, which is Vision Quest is going to pull everybody in who watch the movies. what they need is an Andor. Andor is this show that was so good.
Starting point is 00:19:45 It wasn't just the people who watched, you know, Book of Boba Fet and Asoka. It pulled in everybody. The showrunner went on like Seth Myers and Jimmy Kimmel to talk about the show. That does not happen, right? Unless it's like Vince Gilligan. I wonder if Wonder Man can do that for them
Starting point is 00:20:02 because I think that's what they need out of a Disney Plus show with a new character. Well, and what they need to do is put the episode on ABC put the first episode on YouTube for free. So grandma can watch it. Yeah, Grandma. And also, yeah, but throw it up on YouTube for free is a good idea.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Throw it up on YouTube for free. Get people hooked. I'm excited for Wonder Man, but I could understand why somebody else wouldn't be. Because, you know, it's like, oh, it's just another, it's another Marvel show. I haven't been keeping up. I think this show is actually going to be like kind of what they intended Sheholt
Starting point is 00:20:36 to be, something, you know, funny and different and disconnected. and just to show that you can, I don't think you need to have seen any Marvel movie or show to enjoy Wonder Man. I don't know that that's what Marvel needs to be focusing on. Maybe they need to stick with doing, we make comic book genre stuff. But if they want to expand and do comedies and horrors and stuff like that,
Starting point is 00:20:58 I think Wonder Man's the right direction. I think it's funny that your marketing strategy is the same as like a meth dealer. You know, like give them the first one free. Get them in there. Hook them good, baby. Come on good. come in and you're stuck with us. Did you like that?
Starting point is 00:21:11 For 1799, you can watch it ad-free. Doomsday is one where, I don't know, that's, I have trouble with Doomsday because I'm always like, how in the hell? Like, you look at Avengers Endgame, it resolved all these different storylines from characters that have been seeded over multiple movies. A lot of the people who were in Avengers Doomsday have appeared once. And you know how like Endgame had those little moments that if you watched everything, you were rewarded?
Starting point is 00:21:35 Like when the Wasp calls Steve Rogers cap and it's back to her making fun of Scott Lang for calling him Cap and they have this little glance. If you had, that's fine. But to me it seems like Doomsday's got to be like all that or just focus on characters for the multiverse or from the Infinity saga. So I still like, if anyone can pull off that trick, I guess it's the Russo Brothers, but that's a tall order. I'm a little more excited for brand new day.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Talk to me about that guys. Do you think that that can incorporate with the TV shows in a way that I really don't think many of these projects have incorporated with the TV shows well. I don't think Dr. Strange did. I don't think Brave New World mostly did, except you didn't know who Isaiah Bradley was if you hadn't watched the show. What do you guys think? Or like if Punisher, do you think his continuation is kingpin in it?
Starting point is 00:22:23 If Daredevil's in it, and see what people are going to be like, who the hell is this guy? How's brand new day going to work out? Ryan, you were at the Marvel panel. Didn't they say that like the showrunners for season two of Born Again were in communication with the people who were doing brand new day? I read that somewhere? Yeah, yeah, but just they said it in context of just to make sure they were, because it takes
Starting point is 00:22:45 place in New York and I wanted to make sure it ended. Yeah, Charlie Cox, we talked about, I know, you're right. Yeah, that in itself is great to hear. I was just going to say, like, because they did not do that with Wanda Vision and multiverse of madness. Like, it was just two completely separate wings. But yeah, which you noticed about what Charlie Cox said, yeah, share that. Yeah, Charlie Cox had this moment where, like, Brandon Davis said, yeah, you're in Spider-Man.
Starting point is 00:23:07 And he was like, he froze for a second. And it was very much like, oh, shit, did they show that trailer while I was backstage? I thought we weren't showing that or telling anyone that. And then he was like, and Brandon saved his ass. He went, you know, animated. He's like, oh, yeah, animated. Bro, he's in that movie. He is in that movie.
Starting point is 00:23:25 But do you think that'll work? Do you think it's going to be like, who the hell is this guy? Or do you think his teaser in No Way Home? And, you know, just in general, in the movies, do you think they're going down the right track this year? Do I think people are going to be like, who the hell's this guy when who's shows up in a brand new day. Daredevil? Yeah. No, I think everybody knows Deer Devil. I think Daredevil is one of those characters that everybody knows Daredevil. He's up there with Hulk and Wolverine and Spider-Man, I think. Yeah, he's on the lower tier, but I think people get Daredevil. People
Starting point is 00:23:53 know Punisher. You know, they see a sticker on the back of pickup trucks and stuff. They know Punisher. I think they'll fit in well. Kingpin is a Spider-Man villain. I think it could melt well together. We don't know. I know. I know. I know. I hope he can be in it because maybe he can't, according to, like, contracts, like the movie rights to Kingpin are still kind of unclear. I don't know. Benfrey said, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Sadie Sink, too, we don't know who the hell she is.
Starting point is 00:24:22 There's now remember she's a villain. Some people think she's Punisher's Sidekick whose name I can't remember off top of my head. Tommy, there's all this really cool mystery and stuff surrounding that. Huh? It's Punishette, I think. Punishette. Yeah, that's right. Punishette.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Yeah. I'm just sort of Punishette. Oh, that's cute. I like that we don't know much about this movie yet, right? To me, that's one of the most fun things about it. And I hope that it doesn't turn into like No Way Home where a really rabid part of the fan base decides to ruin it for everybody else's spoilers, even though I know that'll happen because we're all hungry for a story.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Sure. On the movie side, though, of course, the major thing is Doomsday, which I said I'm a little bit dubious about, Tommy, how the hell do you think they can pull off this storytelling trick they're trying to pull? I mean, X-Men nostalgia is going to do. that? I agree with you 100%. My thought is that the easiest way is just to make this movie about Dr. Doom, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four, and then have all these side characters that we know that have been announced in the cast kind of come in in very small roles and then be like,
Starting point is 00:25:24 but they're coming back in a big way in Secret Wars. But this is a story about Dr. Doom, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four, all kind of converging on our planet or the 616 universe and figuring it out. And I just, it is, it's a lot of players. Like, it's a, it's a cast list that already feels too big and is only certain to grow. And I, I don't know how they can do it unless it's just really a Dr. Doom story. And everyone else is kind of incidental. Which is how they did Infinity War.
Starting point is 00:25:56 They made it a Thanos story. Doom has to be the star of the movie, like Infinity War Thanos. That's called Doom's Day. I'll tell you guys this. I'm going to leave you with this thought. I think there's going to be a blood bath. I think a lot of these people who they introduced how like Infinity War was nice and clean.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Thanos snapped his fingers. Man, I think it's going to be R-rated. I think we're going to see Shee Hulk's guts spread out across the people. I think John Walker's a dead man. I think there's so many of these people who are introduced in the shows. They're going to clean the slate.
Starting point is 00:26:29 But you never know. We thought for years that Hawkeye was toast, nevertheless, he persisted. You know what I want? Yeah. And X-Men Origins Wolverine when Sabretooth grabs that teleporter's spine, I want that with a ghost. I want her zip-zapping around and Dooms like, and Rips out.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Maybe that's the spine doing Rips out. That'd be great. Maybe that's the spine that we saw in the light show. We don't know. Either way, 26, I think, I got to tell me. So I was just going to say, should I predict that Ant-Man's going to die for the fifth consecutive movie? Because I think that it would be good for my internet paper trail.
Starting point is 00:27:00 If I just go, Ant-Man's a goner. Okay, guys, we're going to leave it there. you guys so much for joining me. I want to know what you guys think about 2026. I do think it's the make or break Marvel year. I think it's the most important year for Marvel since 2012 because that the vendors would have failed. We wouldn't be having this conversation. And I would be working at a target somewhere. So let me have your thoughts down to the comments below. Of course, we have Colton Auburn, the guy who's trapped in our television and doesn't know it's so please don't tell him. And Tommy Beck told the guy who's always on break.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Oh, no. Oh, you got to go? Okay, Tommy's got a head out. And that means that it's time for you guys to let us know what you think down in the comments or on Twitter, Blue Sky Threads, or are free to joined Discord server and if it's your first time here, please subscribe. Smash that bell for alerts for Screen Crush. Ryan Erie. Bye.

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