Scuffed | USMNT, World Cup, Yanks Abroad, futbol in America - #320: Jenny Chiu joins the pod

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

CBS correspondent Jenny Chiu joins Watke and Belz to discuss growing up in El Paso, inciting a brawl by clowning on boys her age in youth soccer, the jump from Orlando City to CBS, the craft of sideline reporting, covering World Cup qualifiers, World Cup predictions, playing for Anson Dorrance, the ethics of pruning houseplants, and much more. Jenny was a good sport. Highly recommend.Get the second half of the interview by joining Scuffed on Patreon for as little as $2 a month: https://www.patreon.com/scuffedPatrons also get the exclusive Monday Review each week, which is, among other things, a run-down of club action for national team players every week with Watke and Vince. Patrons also get access to our private Discord server, live call-in shows, and the full catalogue of historic recaps we're working on. Here's what we have so far.#1 Czechoslovakia v USA, 1990, https://www.patreon.com/posts/historic-recap-v-67067301#2 USA v Colombia, 1994, https://www.patreon.com/posts/historic-recap-2-69083229#3 USA v Iran, 1998, https://www.patreon.com/posts/historic-recap-3-70575704#4: Mexico v USA, 2002, https://www.patreon.com/posts/historic-recap-4-72235898 Skip the ads! Subscribe to Scuffed on Patreon and get all episodes ad-free, plus any bonus episodes. Patrons at $5 a month or more also get access to Clip Notes, a video of key moments on the field we discuss on the show, plus all patrons get access to our private Discord server, live call-in shows, and the full catalog of historic recaps we've made: https://www.patreon.com/scuffedAlso, check out Boots on the Ground, our USWNT-focused spinoff podcast headed up by Tara and Vince. They are cooking over there, you can listen here: https://boots-on-the-ground.simplecast.comAnd check out our MERCH, baby. We have better stuff than you might think: https://www.scuffedhq.com/store Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Scuff podcast, where we talk about U.S. soccer. Today, our guest is Jenny Chu, one of the most recognizable faces on television for fans of U.S. soccer over the past years. She covered men's World Cup qualifiers for CBS on the sideline from Kingston and San Juan. Among other places, she was also a sideline reporter for CBS in the Champions League, including at the final in Paris, when Real Madrid defeated Liverpool. And she covered the Concaf W championship this past summer. been a busy year for her. She was born and raised in El Paso. Jenny, welcome. Thank you guys. That was a great intro. When you were a young girl, your dad would come to

your soccer games. You told this story recently and read the newspaper. And I, and I would love for you to tell the story of how he like sort of the moment where he sort of realized that you were good at soccer. So we, he put us in all sports. We played all different kinds of sports. And he did not pay attention at all, read the newspaper, did not care. The idea was to keep us away from drugs and, like, give us something to do. So he didn't care about, like, whether we were good athletes or not. And he would sit in the way back, whatever. All of a sudden, like, there was a huge cheering, like, all the parents were standing up and yelling and cheering, like, kind of like moving along the sideline. I don't know if you've been to, like, young soccer games. Like, they're, like,

moving along the sideline with the people. And my dad's like, what the heck? Like, what just happened? And they're all screaming and stuff. So my dad gets up and he's like, hey, like what just happened? And that girl was like super fast. I guess like kind of like ran past, but he didn't see the girl. He just saw the action behind the parents. And they were like,

what do you mean? That was your daughter. And I had like ran past and like scored and stuff. And he was in shock. He was like, what? So he like started to pay attention finally because he had just been stuck in his newspapers. And he was like, oh, wow.

She's like athletic. She's kind of like really good at this. So I was the catalyst in getting my soccer to be a soccer family because we did all kinds of sports. And my dad, I remember like the walk up, it was the west side rec center. You're not, you guys aren't from El Paso, but the walk up. My dad was like, hey, you're like, you're pretty good. You have like some potential.

Like, do you want to take this seriously? And I was like, yeah, sure. Like, not really understanding what I was committing to at that time, like at all. I was like, yeah. Like, what sounds great. And like very soon after I had like a private coach. I had like, I went to a specific gym to like be fitness and then I got moved to a boys team. Like this whole thing happened like really.

quickly, but my dad was like, you have talent, let's exploit it, let's go. All full throttle, we're headed there. So just from a moment like that. He was decisive. What, what, um, two questions. How old were you when that happened roughly? And what newspaper was your dad reading? Uh, the Al Paso times without a doubt.

Um, but I think I was eight, eight. Yeah. Because at eight years old, I, that's when I started playing with boys. So it must have been like a quick, you know, seven or eight probably. So. Okay. Eight years old was my first time playing on a boys team, so it had to be before then. And I had no idea what I was agreeing to.

I was like, yeah, sure, whatever. And that became kind of a thing, right, that your dad had to fight for you to be able to play against boys. And then there's a whole generation of young men from El Paso who are still, have been embarrassed by you over the years. But you know what? What's cool about that is that while they were embarrassed by me back then, I will have them reach out to me now, like randomly, like on Twitter or Facebook and be like, you beat me like way back when you were so good like they're proud of it now but at the time oh my gosh there's one story that like always sticks in my mind like I was the girl you know like everyone in the league knew I was that one girl that played on the boys team and I was really close with

my boys team because we we played so often together and we like kind of grew up together and there was a moment when I remember never forget it like gosh what was that field called Pico del Norte. Anyone in Alpaso would know that. This is specifically for the people in Alpaso, basically. I'm not looking up on Google Maps. Yeah, so we're playing, and I am cooking this guy on the sideline. I mean, I would say, like, I'm pretty humble as a soccer player.

I don't, like, really say much about my career ever, but I was cooking him. Like, without a doubt. What is your preferred method of cooking him? Are you kind of, like, out on the edge? Where are you in the field? And is it a change of direction? Are you a little flick flack or how are you getting? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's such a great question. I love that. Yeah, very technical. So, you know, maybe one scissor and like go to the other side, like, leave them in the dust. I was really good at like putting my body in between because I was so small. Like once you, once I put myself in between, if you hit me up, there's a foul. Are you scissoring left leg, right leg? Or do you?

Yeah. I'm pretty ambidextrous. love this. This is such a great interview. Pretty ambidextrous, but I would, my natural rhythm is left foot, scissor, right foot out, so I can explode with my right foot. But I can do both, without a doubt. I would say that one of my really, really strong aspects is that I was ambidextrous, naturally, left-handed, actually, and now I'm a right-handed person. So really able to go both-brained. We need to dig into that. Naturally, left-hand. What are we talking here? You write with your left hand.

What do you throw with your right hand? What's the mix? What's the mix? The breakdown. Yeah. Maybe my dad won't love. I'm sharing this. But I am born left handed.

So I wrote left handed, brush my teeth, left handed, like pick up things with my left hand, everything naturally, like, since I was born. And my dad sat me down one day and it's like, you live in a right handed world. We need to adapt. And so I remember being like six years old and having to learn how to do everything with my right hand and he would sit me at the kitchen table and I would be forced to write in with my right hand the moment he wasn't looking I'd switch to my left hand and get it all done and then switch back to my right when he was looking at me um but eventually I learned yeah what did your mom

think of that uh of your dad making you do that I don't think she cares like now looking back I'm like that was pretty unnatural to like ask me to switch but luckily we did it early enough that like it's fine but I still do a lot of things in my left hand or like, you know, lead with my left foot and people are like very surprised by how easily I can do both hands and legs. But I think that's why, because early on, my brain had to switch and then it still is active on the other side. I don't know. I don't know the signs behind it. Why am I acting like I know? I was left handed and they didn't have left handed scissors. So this is the only thing that's a little bit like what you did. I had to learn

how to use right handed scissors. And that was very, very difficult. The paper was always tearing. It was embarrassing. I would say, I noticed a guy who couldn't cut with scissors. Oh, that is so sad. They definitely need left-handed scissors. I would say everybody listening to the podcast should just go and brush their teeth with their other hand tonight and just see how that goes for them. It just feels so unnatural.

Yeah, do that, everybody. We do like little calls to action like that sometimes on the pod. Oh, okay. So wait. I was cooking him. Yeah. Sorry. I forgot where I was.

You were talking about how you were cooking this guy. I was cooking him. We're just trying to very high getting by him. It sounds like you can go either what you can go right or go left. Yes. Your foot, you're more comfortable just like cranking a shot off of. What are you going to do?

Right. Yeah. So I would do right. But I also like to cut into my left foot and just be more placement rather than power. So, okay. But anyways, the point of the story was that I'm cooking him. And the parents, and specifically his mom, start yelling and saying, like, you know, how are you letting that B word, like, pass you? That's just a girl, like, foul hurt. They're, like, getting super aggressive, right? At this point, I'm not like seven, eight. I'm, like, 13 or something. So she's, like, being really rude and parents are, like, egging it on. And I wouldn't say that, like, I grew up in the most, like, friendly environment. But they're, like, really getting into it. And then finally, I'm, like, on a breakway by myself. And the guy, I think he's just, like, like done with his mom, like up in his ear, like condemning him and like the parents saying stuff,

whatever. So he just tackles me from behind straight red card, like just ugly, ugly, ugly. And my teammates immediately stepped to him and a whole brawl started. I'm telling you, parents involved the whole entire team on both sides. Like the whole thing was wild. But it was a good moment for me. We're talking a full onto the field, midfield brawl with parents and players and everything? 100%. We like both teams forfeited the game like police had to come like the whole nine yards because I was cooking this man and it was too embarrassing. So that's a really great memory for me and I can keep that in my pocket forever. And it really meant a lot that my teammates like stood up for me. You know, it wasn't like leave her on an island by herself. It was like, no, she's one of us.

Like what's up? So I didn't fight anyone. I just stood there like, oh, they care about me. Cool. You didn't go over and sucker punch the mom. No. No, I was scared. My dad wasn't there. Like I had carpooled to the game. So I was like, where do I go? Like, what's happening?

And this all happened at Pico Norte Park? Heck yes. Look it up. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah. A little reservoir behind it now. Would that be kind of the main place you would play a lot of your games? There was a lot.

Constantly moving around. Yeah, no. We played everywhere. Blackie Chester. Blackie Chester was another one. If you can look up Blackie Chester, lots of my games were played there. It's funny because when I think about my childhood and then I compare it to people that I've grown up with or that I work with, like, it's very different. El Paso is a very unique place.

And when I like describe certain things, I'm like, oh yeah, my team brawled. People are like, what the heck? I talk about, what's that? there's a football game like the women play football against each other what is it called? Powder puff. Powder puff. So our powder puff in my day and in my school was the day when everybody who wanted to fight each other would fight each other. And I described this to my friends in Orlando, like my Orlando City co-workers or whatever.

And they were in awe. They were like, well, that's just the football game. We all played in it. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. You only played if you wanted to fight someone. They were like, what in the world, Jenny? I'm like, I don't know. That's where I came from.

The powder puff game itself was a device for a fight? Yes. Or was it around the game? Was it the players? Okay. It was everything. So the players would fight each other. Like you knew that this person was going to fight in the game.

And then if men wanted to fight or like whoever else that wasn't playing in the game, it was all happening at powder puff. It was like going to be a big, like everyone would see everyone fight each other. Oh my God. El Paso was going to be like, what are you exposing us for? Did you kind of go into the game knowing who you were going to fight or is it? Oh, I was not a fighter. No, no, no. I was not a fighter.

Do you see how, like, fragile and, like, smiley I am? Like, I'm not a fighter. I can see smiley. I don't really see fragile, honestly. Thank you. Thank you. I was trying to depict it, and I was like, that was a bad word for it. But what is it about El Paso?

Because, like, it seems like people who grew up in El Paso have a strong, like, I don't know, a stronger feeling about it than most people who grew up in places, you know? We're feisty. We fight for everything that. we have. I mean, I describe different things about my dad putting me in a high school, or sorry, not even a high school, a middle, what's the initial one? Primary, primary school, kindergarten, whatever? Elementary school. Putting me in an elementary school that was not in like my financial area or whatever, you know, like how these schools get split by like where you live. He put me in a

or transferred me to a school that was better because with more money came better teachers. became better opportunities and like making that decision early like because he had that like fight in him to put us in the best possible position. I would say that that's El Paso. Like with the cards you're given, like how do you get the most out of it? I don't know. I have a lot of respect for for where I came from and like I think that like that feistyness is in all of us. Like I am such a big fan of the peppy story because I know where we came from and like that chances don't come often. People don't come. I always say this. Like, scouts aren't coming to El Paso, Texas. We got lucky that FC Dallas sent some scouts, and then a lot of players from El Paso got pulled

into FC Dallas. But beyond that, like, women's soccer specifically, like, there was no college coach willing to come to El Paso. I was like, oh yeah, I'm that one girl that plays with boys. Would you come? They're like, we're not going to do a whole trip to see you. Like, you don't even play in the same league as like the people that were trying to recruit, you know? So you had to like find your way out to get seen. When when Peppy chose to play for the U.S., were you disappointed? No, no, no. I think everyone makes the best decision for themselves.

And, I mean, it's exciting. I hope that that opens the doors for more people like him, for more of us, because sometimes they're not seen or, you know, not viewed in the best light. So to see him succeed, we'll probably open doors for other. like him and that that's my hope for sure. How did you end up finding your way to UNC? I, again, credit to my dad, a huge credit to my dad. My dad was big about where are you going to go to college.

I remember, and I don't have the best memory, mind you. But we had like the best 10 colleges or best 20 colleges like printed out, like academically, printed out all over our house, like where my dad wanted us to go in terms of, of like high academic status. And then when we realized that I was good at soccer and soccer was a possibility of like getting us into school and helping like financially, my dad would put next to that like the top 25 like women's soccer programs and then highlight the ones that were also like top academic schools. And this was like papers all over the place. Okay. Like this is what's that? It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Like there's a whole board. Like that's that's that's that's that

was like my house because my dad was trying to figure out like how do we, you know, balance academics and make sure that you're going to a good school and help with soccer, whatever. So, and I went to, so many summer camps, soccer camps, in an attempt to like be seen and get a good chance. And you did an official visit to a school. I'm not sure which one. And you went to a theme party while you were there. Oh, UNC.

So you went to a theme party. So you went to a theme party. And then my understanding is you kind of left with the impression that every single college party is always a theme party. And so when you were preparing to go to college, you packed basically a just an enormous... A clown bag of every possible costume, props, everything. So you were ready. When did you realize that you had made a mistake? Was there a moment?

Oh, that's a good. A bunch of my clothes were never... I brought so much clothes. My roommate was like, what the hell? and it was just like random, like neon pieces and like princess crown. Like literally has nothing. Like I thought that you just like theme. I didn't go to parties in high school, mind you.

Like never, never, never. I can maybe name one high school party I went to because I was so focused on soccer and getting into a good school and stuff. So I had no idea and that was my only experience. And then I didn't have any clothes to ever go out. So I always had to borrow clothes because I had like funny clothes. I thought it was like a joke. Like everything was funny and theme.

And so yeah. But now I feel like I'm really stylish and I won't make that mistake again. So there we go. Do you find you're able to small talk with Greg Burholter about UNC? I've tried. You tried? Every time. How is he with small talk?

I'll let you see. No, no, no. Every time I see him, I say, go heels. He's probably sick of me at this point. Like, we'll be on meetings and I'll be like, hey, Greg, go heels. And he's probably like, who is this like, annoying little girl saying go heels every chance she gets. But no, he'll tell me, like, like, oh, I forgot about the tar heel thing. Like, oh, yeah. Like, it's not really like small talk. It's just like a, hey, don't forget

that I'm a tar heel too. Like, is he like not that into it? He just pretends to be for press conferences to have like a thing to talk about. Do you guys talk about tar heels a lot? He talks about Tar He seems like he brings up the basketball team. Yeah. I think it was maybe it's just because there was a basketball tournament happening. Oh. Well, he met his wife there. his wife was a part of the women's soccer program. So they met in college, both soccer players. So that, I'm sure, is a huge part of his life. My understanding is they met on their first day there.

I've listened to too many Greg Berhalter interviews. Wow. You definitely have. I did not know that. But I was just there this weekend for alumni weekend. And I was talking to one of the managers who's been there forever. And I mentioned, oh, I see Greg. I see, you know, Danielle Rain.

I see all these people with the U.S. soccer. that have connections to UNC. And he was like, oh, yeah, and Ross. And he said, yeah, they met like really early on, like probably the first day is what he said. So you're probably right. So after UNC, you went to Australia. You played professionally there.

And first of all, where did you go in Australia? And did you visit any cool places? And then I have a follow-up question about you being a carpenter while you were there as well. Oh, my God. Why do you know so much? Because I watched you, I searched Jenny Chu on YouTube. Oh my God.

These are things I don't even remember. Honestly, like, I'm really impressed by your journalistic skills right now because I don't even remember my life half the time. Yes. Yeah. We just have a lot of time. I went too. So I actually decided to go to Australia like two weeks before graduation. I didn't have anything planned.

I didn't know what I was going to do with my life. And a coach had reached out and said, hey, we've seen your. tape, which I don't even know what tape he's talking about, because I've never seen clips of myself on the internet. So I'm not sure what he's talking about. Because we've seen your clips. Like, we're really interested. Um, would you come play? Blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, sure. So I got my ticket like the next day. Like my plane ticket to Australia. I didn't talk to anyone. I had a very serious boyfriend at the time. Didn't tell him. Didn't tell my family. I was like, I'm doing this. You know, there's a higher calling right now. And this came into my life for a reason.

I'm doing it. Nice. Yeah. You don't. Yeah. I was like, I'd always wanted to visit Australia. This gives me the opportunity to do it and to keep playing soccer. And I really felt like I wasn't done with soccer. Obviously, like at UNC, like it's not like my career was this amazing thing. So I felt like, you know what? I'm not done. This is not how it ends for me. Like my whole life has been soccer and then it doesn't end like this. So I was like, I'm going to do it. And so I left the day after graduation, got on the plane to the unknown. I really knew nothing I was walking into. I didn't know the level. I didn't know like the team. I didn't. Nothing. Basically, I lived with a host family. And this host family's dad owned a carpentry business, like building houses. And his partner was his dad. His dad got really sick. So he needed a partner. And I was like, well, I'm living under their roof. I'm not paying money here. And like, I want to help. So I offered my services to help thinking it was like a one-time thing. I was like, oh, yeah, I'll help you today because he's sick. Whatever. No, it turned out like for

You're a professional carpenter now. Yeah, for multiple months. He wanted me to be this car. And it was from 5 a.m. to 5 p.m. every day. Mind you, I couldn't do it. I had to like quit because I had a back injury that gets my back injury gets like irritated. And I can't do anything. Like I can't move.

So I was like, hey, I really want to help. But my back is killing me. And so I would go from 5 a.m. to 5 p.m. carpentry. 6 p.m. practice until like 8. and then go back to, like, go to sleep and then go to work. Like, it was interesting. That's not the best approach to a professional soccer career. If you're a half to be carpenter.

You were really behind the eight ball there. No, I was not, it was not great for me. And honestly, like, I can grind. Like, I come from from grinders, like both my parents. Like I, but that was not the life for me. Like now the life that I live, I'm like, wow, I did that. That's interesting. That's interesting.

Do you still have any of those carpentry skills? I have not put them to the test, so I'm not sure. But I did successfully build an entire remodel of a bathroom before I quit. You wouldn't have had the confidence to do. You wouldn't have had as much confidence to execute that if you had not had that carpentry time in Australia. That's my theory. Where in Australia were you? I think it was called Redcliffe.

It was like a small suburb of Brisbane or near Brisbane. I did not love it. It was like a very old, I don't know, like an old community. I didn't have a car. It wasn't like anything like I expected it to be, to be quite honest. But then I got a trial with Brisbane Roar, and at that point I had been gone for so long. Mind you, I'm still in like this long relationship. And it's like almost six months.

And they were like, oh, okay, so we've already filled our four. international spots. We want you on the team next year. So can you just stay the year, play with the boys team, like whatever? And then next year you're on the Brisbane Roar, like professional team. And I said, you want me to stay another year? I said, absolutely not. I'm going home right now. This is not working for me. I was so far away from home. I was like in a 14 hour time difference. Like I felt like I was like an alien to the rest of my life. Like I separated lives 100%. And then finally I came back home and I was like, oh, life is really. real, I have to face everything I've been running from now. Great.

When did, when in that facing everything, did you realize she wanted to do media things? I didn't. I didn't realize it at all, actually. Part of my like healing, finding myself journey was vlogging and I was just vlogging my life away. I applied for so many jobs within MLS and WSL. I think I applied to be a mascot, like, on multiple occasions. Like I was just like, whatever I can be in soccer. So it was soccer. It wasn't media.

No, no. Yeah, it was soccer. It was soccer. So it wasn't, mind you, I have a journalism degree. Like, I'm actually a journalist and, like, understand the rules of journalism. Some people always ask that. They're like, oh, you're just, like, pretty. I'm like, no, I'm actually like a journalist.

Oh, yeah. We understand that. So you already had the journalism degree when you went to Australia to play soccer. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. But anyway, so I like applied for all of these things, internships and such on, and I finally got an internship with Portland Thorns, Timbers and Thorns. Well, actually, I got multiple internships offered to me, but none of them were paid.

And I couldn't make it happen. Like, I just, my family and I didn't have the money. So I couldn't take those internships. Like I think like Houston Dash and Dynamo, I think there was a combined. And they were like, yeah, come for, you know, three months. And so I did the math. And I would be like at least $6,000 in the hole if I did it. And I was like, I can't do that.

I don't have anywhere to live. I don't have a car. I don't have like anything. So finally, Timbers and Thorns. I'm going into so many details. I'm sorry. Timbers and Thorntz was the only one that was paid. paid. So I took it and it was a social media internship. It wasn't like on camera or anything.

It was I was behind the camera filming things like posting tweets and Instagrams and stuff, which is like definitely what I already do for my own social media. So I had the experience and like the resume quote unquote within my social media that I like can act appropriately, that I, you know, am tactful. Mind you, this is because I played on the Mexican national team and we grew up being watched. Like we were everything that we were. Everything that we did was, you know, checked by someone. So I was very careful and, like, smart about my stuff. I don't know how much you can say about me now, because I'm very like, I'm going to be me and I don't care what you say now. But at the time, I was very strict. So got that gig. So I have a question about

moving to Portland. Yes. It sounds like a big deal. It's like a big thing that people do. Did you do it knowing that you were going to be there for maybe a short stint and then do something else? Or was it thinking I'm going to go there and maybe this is where I'm going to live now. Oh, no, no, no. I knew I wasn't going to live there. It was just like a, I'm very much like go with the wind. Like I'm like, obviously like I went to Australia in like a day. And didn't tell anybody.

And didn't tell anybody. Yeah. So and my family and my boyfriend were really against it when I told him. I'm like, oh, it's done. Already bought the ticket. So I'm very much like go with the wind. Like, you know, see what comes. I'm not like gunhole on anything.

Like I believe that like what should come will come. And I'm very like, I don't know, Zen like that. So going there, I had no expectations. I was just like, oh, let's see how this goes, kind of taking it day by day, not seeing like the big picture. Like I think now I'm more able to kind of like pull out, like zoom out and like see big picture things. But at the time I was just like zoom in. Like here's what today is, you know.

And Portland did it compared favorably? to Redcliffe as a city? You put it above Redcliffe? I want to get I would. You know what? You're hilarious. Yes, I would put it above Redcliff.

Pretty high up. Okay, so you do your stint in Portland. Now you're off to Orlando City. Is that correct? So totally not the plan. I just got seen on YouTube or something. Yeah, on YouTube. I got seen on YouTube and then Orlando offered me a full-time gig,

which I was an intern while I was at Portland. so I'm like making pennies. Not that I didn't make pennies the next place I went. But I also had two other jobs while I worked at Portland because it's not enough. Like you can only have X amount of hours as an intern. So I worked multiple jobs. Do the job responsibilities from your Portland job to Orlando, are they, do they change? They changed.

They changed. More. Okay. Yeah, that would definitely more. I got really lucky. I just want to say I got really lucky that the Timbers organization. was where I started because I had a lot of nice people around me that like kind of hyped me up and made me feel confident in myself, which is not where I was coming from. Like I was coming from a very

like not great mental state and they were like, hey, we think you can do this. Hey, you have this background. Hey, like, I don't know, just like very like uplifting. And I'm lucky in that sense because I know the other interns didn't have the same experience, you know? I got lucky in a lot of ways. So then when Orlando picked me up, I was the quote unquote, what my contract said was face, of city because that was like our name. I don't know. That was like one of the names. So basically I was like the reporter, the host, the, I don't even know.

I did like public events, like whatever it was. That was like what my role was. But then it like obviously that changes as things as time goes on and became like the producer. Sorry. Go ahead. Let me. Let's take a little break and then we'll come back and talk about the US and Mexico national teams, the upcoming World Cup, sideline reporting as a craft.

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