Scuffed | USMNT, World Cup, Yanks Abroad, futbol in America - #540: WoSo — Cat’s back, Lindsey bullies, Lily banger + a general run-down

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

Tara and Belz talk in some detail about the European contingent's action as Champions League draws near, Emma Hayes' recent comments on "futures," an NWSL run-down and general lookahead to the next two international windows. Skip the ads! Subscribe to Scuffed on Patreon and get all episodes ad-free, plus any bonus episodes. Patrons at $5 a month or more also get access to Clip Notes, a video of key moments on the field we discuss on the show, plus all patrons get access to our private Discord server, live call-in shows, and the full catalog of historic recaps we've made: https://www.patreon.com/scuffedAlso, check out Boots on the Ground, our USWNT-focused spinoff podcast headed up by Tara and Vince. They are cooking over there, you can listen here: https://boots-on-the-ground.simplecast.comAnd check out our MERCH, baby. We have better stuff than you might think: https://www.scuffedhq.com/store Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Scuff podcast where we talk about U.S. soccer. Hey, everybody, it's Woso. Bells and Tara here. Tara, how goes it? I'm well. How are you? I'm pretty well. We got some great news to get through in the landscape. Yeah, exciting stuff. We're trekking along. Let's start with the best news, the best news of all.

Kat is back. We've been teased. Before, but she's back once again. She subbed in this past game against Crystal Palace around the 71st minute. Chelsea ended up winning 7 to nothing, but she got a hockey assist. She got an assist off a corner kick, and she got a goal. It was dubbed a cat trick from high octane in the Discord server, which I really liked. Yeah, that's nice.

But, yeah, Chelsea just ended up obliterating Crystal Palace. But they do play Real Madrid next Tuesday, this upcoming Tuesday, in their first Champions League game of the year. So hopefully we're able to see some continued cat minutes build upon that fitness. I'm not too worried about seeing her in this next game. camp, but I would love to see her in the November camp. That's my goal, personally. I guess there's no sense of urgency, but it sure would be fun to see her in the next camp.

It is worth noting, I think, that it was still only 3-0 when she came on. And the game didn't become the laffer that it was at the end until she got on and went to work. She wears the number nine, but she was, I thought she was excellent in this game in this, like, what, 25 minutes or so? very much a midfielder. People want to make this woman a striker. She's not a striker, guys.

She's a midfielder. She was even picking the ball up from the centerbacks on occasion in this fixture. Cultured little through ball for the hockey assist. Pretty much the key pass in the move. Nearly hit a centerback splitting ball from deep to springer striker. Lots of passes with the right weight in the right rhythm for teammates. She also, I thought, looked quite fit, like very spry out there. there. Yeah, I did too. She looked strong, but easy on the feet. Yeah, quick. Created her own goal,

receiving it on the half turn at midfield, drove at the box, slipped Ramirez into the box for a shot from a tough angle, and then it was saved, but right into her path as she continued her run in a determined manner and just smashed it in ahead of a sliding challenge. So, great news out of Chelsea, I think. What's the latest on Fisiel? Is it like a winter return? Yeah. They have already come out and said that she is expected to return in January. Okay.

Okay. Also in Europe, some other, a couple other things to get into. Lily Johannes, I'm sure you've seen it by now. I think it was basically trending. I thought everybody retweeted this goal. But Lily Johannes had a mega goal. I think it was this past weekend. Yep, it was Sunday.

Can you talk? Can you talk about it? Yeah, this is just a banger. Straight, like certified banger from 20 yards, still rising when it hit the net. I did not know necessarily that she had that in her bag, you know, just to be able to just smash the ball like that. But she does, obviously.

It was goalkeeper clearance, settled by a teammate into her path in the middle of the pitch. She steps forward, holds off an opponent with her left shoulder for about 10 yards, and then just catches every bit of it. hammers it home at the far post. Actually, a lot of nice goals in this game. And then there was a, it wasn't credited as an assist, I don't believe, but she did play

the pass for the fourth goal, too, curled it at her striker, the centerback sticks out a leg and gets a touch, but it still carries over to the striker. She takes a touch goal. So, not an assist in the books, but an assist in my heart. Which matters, by the way. I thought it was gorgeous. I'm excited to I'm excited to see her

attacks grow this year. Yeah. Lily has an American with her in the Netherlands now. Talia della Peruta. Some of you may know her from the youth national teams. She captained the U-20 team

that myself, Vince, and you talked about two years ago. She was on the U-23 team that played last year against some of the NWSL teams in preseason. She did half a season in Italy last year. She joined Fine Ward. Is that how you say it? That is exactly how you say it.

Yeah, she joined Fine Lord this year. She is not currently playing. having some hamstring difficulties. But, yeah, Tali is in the Netherlands right now. And she's also popping up on some midfielders to watch for the future of the national team. I think it's specifically because she went to the Netherlands. But, you know, we'll keep an eye out on Talia because she was pretty good at UNC. And I am going to be intrigued on how she does, especially when they play Iax.

Very interesting about Talia. We've mentioned this a couple times, but IAX is not going to be playing in Champions League. They didn't qualify. So Lily's got basically a full year ahead of her of playing in the Netherlands again, against not the strongest competition. So that's not ideal. But then again, she's only 17. She doesn't even turn 18 until the season is over. So it's all right.

It's all right. And we can just enjoy it. I mean, I imagine there's going to be more beautiful goals for us to enjoy as this season goes by. So that's great. And hopefully she, you know, gets called up and accepts it by the national team later this fall. I mean, that's what I hope for, at least. In terms of players who are not playing in Champions League right now, I am not concerned at all about Lily.

I am concerned about Corbyn, who just got kicked out of Champions League. Yeah. Heron, Eva, Guy Tino. Yeah. But that's another story. Yeah. So let's do talk about Lindsay Horan a little bit. How's she doing?

Lindsay. I mean, Leon's season just started. They've played two games, and she has four goals. It's Leon. they don't play the best competition. That's hardly subjective. But her goals have been extremely fun. I do think that it is intriguing how high they've been playing her.

Now, it's Lindsay Horan. That could just be what she's doing on her own. That's what she does for the national team. She's freelancing out there. She gets the hell up there anyway. But even when the game start, she's extremely high up. So I'm intrigued by that. That's not how she played last year.

She was solidly a midfielder. She was solidly an eight. She's playing very high up. She's nearly a forward this year for Leon. I don't really even know what position you'd call it. But yeah, she's scoring. Kind of like a 10 second forward hybrid. Maybe.

Yeah, she's, she's almost a striker sometimes, but she still gets to move around. But almost not even a 10. It's confusing to me. It really is. But she's scoring great goals. So I'm happy for her. And she got an assist as well. So she's just bullying the French, which I do get a kick out of.

Yeah, their aggregate is 12 to 2 over the first two matches against Fleury and Strasbourg. Flying scissor kick volley, to your point about her being kind of a striker. She did that thing that she often does for the women's national team, where she runs behind the back line, and then she just did a flying scissor kick side volley on a ball that was over the top. Very cool. Well taken penalty, bullet header on a cross from Ellie Carpenter,

and then a free kick-in stoppage time when they were already up 5-0, seemed almost distasteful in its excellence, you know. Yeah. And then Lindsay also has a new American teammate at Leone, which I don't think anybody in the world expected. Sophia Huerta has made a comeback. She's over at Leone. And I wonder if Emma's going to enjoy that. I mean, Leone is known for being one of the best teams in the world.

Emma is a big European fan. It is, I mean, to the point about their opponents not being too strong so far, it is all about Champions League for them, for Lindsay. And probably that's where Huerta comes into. Because, I mean, in the rotation that's going to be required once the fixtures start building up. Because Carpenter is probably going to start out there wide right in the Champions League games. So maybe Huerta gets rotated in for some of these league matches when Carpenter needs a break. But it's a great, I mean, it's a great move for Huerta.

We'll see when she plays, if she plays. Let's do a little more Champions League housekeeping. So Arsenal, about them. Yeah. Last time we talked about Arsenal, they had just lost their first game to Haken, but they played their home leg. and they won 4 to nothing. So they ended up securing their spot in the group stage. It's huge for Emily Fox and huge for Arsenal.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And a quick note on Fox, Arsenal has had tougher opponents in the past couple weeks than these other clubs we've been talking about so far. They beat Lester 1-0, Drew Man City 2-2. Neither goal in that Man City draw was on Fox remotely. And I think in general,

She's in general, correct me if you think I'm wrong, but in general, she's kind of playing a more stay-at-home role for Arsenal. Got forward some against Lester, but hardly got forward at all against City. She has one shot assist in these two games, which was kind of a simple pass at midfield for a teammate who then dribbled 20 yards and shot from 20 yards. So not an integral part of the attack. But that's kind of the role she played for the, for the, for the. the national team too in the Olympics. So maybe it just paves the way for a like-for-like understudy and Savvy King, you know? Yeah, I mean, I'm not complaining about that.

I do know that the Arsenal fans are absolutely loving her, though. It is popping up nonstop about how Emily Fox is the only one they can count on these days. They're loving our little cyborg. She's super reliable as any good cyborg is. You mentioned already PSGs out of Champions League. So let's do the groups. I mean, at least the Americans in Champions League run down. The Americans to watch in Group A are Horan and Huerta.

Leone has Galatasaray, Roma, and Wolfsburg in its group. Group B is Chelsea, so Macario, and then, you know, hopefully official gets back in and they're still in the competition in the spring. They're against Celtic, Duente, and Real Madrid. As you mentioned, they play Real Madrid first. And then in Group C, we just have Emily Fox and Arsenal faces Bayern, Juventus, and Valeranga. So that's the Champions League watching plan.

Matches begin October 9th. Soon. We're moving so fast. Let's come back and talk about some of Emma's recent comments and the NWSL and the U-17s and the schedule for the women's national team over the next couple months. We'll be back in a second. All right, we're back. Okay, so I wanted to mention a little bit about a Guardian interview.

Emma did a few weeks ago. And it's a little long, so I'm going to talk just about a few pieces that I really enjoyed. She's talking about what she likes about coaching at an international level. So she's saying at international, what I learned was they know they're not here a lot. So they make it every day count. The gaps in between camps in competitions present an unknown, but are brilliant, says Hayes. I can get Emma's brain back. The menopause fog and The menopause fog has gotten easier. I have my estrogen and my hormonal stuff in a better place. I can start to strategize for 2027. You don't get the chance to do that at club level.

The quality work in between. Putting a 2020 strategy together is exciting. Thinking about how to implement the game model through our youth is exciting. I've got time to do it. it. So that to me is all we need to know to feel energized and incredibly confident in where we're headed. It's everything we- Somebody leak the 2027 plan. Please leak it. It's everything we've been pleading for. Emma is in charge of our youth development and all eyes on 2027. And then she closed, you didn't read this part, but she closed out the quote, by saying often you don't get the time to implement things, and I'm a builder. Goose bumps.

She gave a little State of the Union statement on an NWSL broadcast. I think it was what, Chicago versus North Carolina. And I'm going to play that clip here. She was kind of asked basically what are you up to? What are you thinking right now? And here's what she said. I think for us, we're in the review part of our journey, and just reflecting on everything, not just from the Olympics,

but all the successes that exist within the program. And then that's for us to build on. And then I'll start the strategy development for 27, 28, over the next couple of months, at which there'll be several meetings sort of up and down the country as well as internally to make sure we set the right course. And then start the beginning of the year with what we are calling the futures,

where we'll get the opportunity to see some of the best talent, both within the NWSL and the under 20 level, where hopefully we can identify future talent for the U.S. Women's National Team. So quite a lot of work to do. Listen, we have been for years and years and years calling our exact same team in and beating their bodies down. And we've only played the exact same. team and we've only known the exact same team. We've never had backups. We've never had any other

choices. The fact that she is calling in, as she said, the futures, that's not our team. That's not players who are going to keep getting called in or taking over anybody's spot. We're just seeing seeing other people or just seeing other chances, people who could get called in in a few months. Maybe next year. It's perfect. It's what we've been pleading for. I love it. Yeah, she's really talking your language.

Does you get the sense that the pivot is going to happen after Christmas, basically? Like, that's when, like, it's going to be January is when they're going to start really looking at the futures. I mean, I would have loved for some new players to get the chance to go against England and Netherlands, but you know, you got to take those games seriously. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's, yeah, it's exciting and it'll be interesting to see, you know, who from the U20s catches her interest, who from NWSL does, whether they can talk Lily into joining up. But remember, none of these games are cap-tying. I keep seeing a lot of people specifically about Lily talk about her as if the decision's about to be made.

A cap-tying game is a competitive game. So there aren't any for what? I mean, definitely none this year, none early next year. I don't have the schedule ahead of me, but we don't. It's a while. It's a while regardless. So let's talk. So here's the near-term schedule.

It's USA versus Iceland in Austin on the 24th of October, so, you know, three weeks minus one day from today. And then USA versus Iceland in Nashville on October 27th, which is a Sunday. And then USA versus Argentina on October 30th in Louisville. So those are the next three games. And then we got some news on the November-December camp in the last couple days, right? Yes. So our first game, we've known for a while it was going to be England. But we finally know our second opponent. It's going to be the Netherlands. And I've seen we've gotten a lot of kick out of calling the Netherlands the Lily Johannes Bowl. Yeah. So I think the Netherlands game is going to be a great opportunity to cleanse our words. World Cup. The Olympics did. It was a great first step, but still some cleansing to be done.

Yeah, Sophia, Trinity, this is, this is your final, final cleanse. You're going to wipe all of that away. Somebody joked, I think it was Cook the Books, joked that Lily should play a half for each team in that game, just to make, just, you know, to make her final decision. I am honestly not that worried about it, but it is going to be probably a while until it's official. All right. Let's do a little bit of NWSL review, starting with Angel City versus the Washington Spirit. Yeah.

There's going to be some health updates in and out. Let's do that first, actually. So for Washington Spirit, we've known Croix Boothun is out. She's out for the season. with a knee injury, but Trinity Rodman's out as well. She had a pretty scary back injury a few weeks ago, but the coach is now saying it's precautionary why she's not traveling. My hope is that they are just kind of keeping her safe until the playoffs,

but they're calling it precautionary, so that makes me feel a little better. but she is not playing. Let's do the... Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, let's do the other ones who are out right now. So it's Croix, Trinity, and then also not a Washington Spirit player, but Sophia is out as well for the moment, at least. Yes, Sophia's out with an ankle injury and they're calling it week to week. Okay.

But back to Angel City in Washington Spirit. Washington Spirit won two to one. It's not a huge national team significant game with Trinity out, but Alyssa Thompson got her sixth assist for the season. Stood her mark her up. Just straight line burned her down the left side, clipped it into the six with her left foot, Messiah Bright, bundled it home.

Nice stuff. That's a repeatable soccer action right there from young Alyssa. Yeah, six assists, five goals now. It's good numbers for a list of right now. Good to see her bounce back. Yeah. Ashley Hatch has had a few good games now, but I really don't think she's clawed her way back into the conversation. But the Washington Spirit coach, who people give a lot of respect towards strictly for being Barcelona's coach, for so. long. He has said publicly he thinks Andy Sullivan should be on the national team. Do you have any

thoughts on that? I haven't been studying her. I have to admit, but my gut impression, my gut instinct is to say, you know, we should try a lot of other people before we get, you know, arrive back at her. I don't know how much is that me just being unfair because she was part of a system that was firing on zero cylinders under Blakow-Andonovsky, but... I ask specifically because I wanted to judge how much you weigh his opinion. So that's good.

You're not just saying, Barcelona man likes him, I'm in. No, no, that's not what I'm doing. I mean, I could, I could, I mean, I could have done that, I suppose. Because people are. People are. Are they? I, I find

Andy to be serviceable, but lacking in the playing on the half-turn thing that I just harp on about all the time with her 360-degree awareness and possession just isn't quite good enough. But, you know, there aren't that many players who do have that. I'd actually rather see us play Kat as a sixth than Andy Sullivan, you know?

Kat loves to play deep. She really does. I'm not strong against it, but I like you. I have at least five options before I go to Andy. But I must admit she is quite good for Washington Spirit. It isn't, just as a side note, it is interesting the exodus out of Spanish football on the women's side over the last. Like I saw somebody, I forget who it was, who landed in the WSL saying, you know, we won the World Cup, we thought everything would change. Nothing changed.

Quick note, Angel City was fined to $200,000 in three-point deduction for salary cap violations. They exceeded it by $50,000 for four weeks. I am fully blaming Kristen Press returning, and I'm quite tickled by it. They're calling Angel City the Manchester City, the NWSL, which I also am getting a big kick out of. Instead of oil money, they have Disney money. There's jokes for days about it. But we move on. Yeah.

Kansas City versus Gotham, this does have national team significance. But really, they're packing it in for the playoffs. It was a one-to-one game. the U-20s did not play this weekend. They're all coming back from the World Cup. Claire Hutton had about 20 minutes in the end. It's all fine. They're packing it in for the playoffs.

They're trying, no one's trying to get hurt. So Hutton, who didn't play much at the end of the U-20 tournament, she comes in against 20 minutes. Sentner didn't play, wasn't even in the building for the Utah racing game. Jackson wasn't even. been there. Yeah, Jackson wasn't there for North Carolina. Savvy wasn't there.

Okay. I want to get to Mel Barzinos, Melanie. Let's go right there. San Diego versus Portland. San Diego won two to nothing. Another Lando win. Mel B's first professional goal, continued Jaden Fitness. Things are looking up over there.

Yeah. And San Diego went on and beat Vancouver a few days later. two zero on the road. I just think Barsanus is fun, man. She is the princess of pirouettes and stepovers and sole drags. And just loves to measure a through ball for a teammate. It seems like she likes to Rondo too. The goal itself was kind of like, you know, whatever.

I mean, she cut in nicely from the right wing and had a good hit with that left foot of hers. It looked like it was going to be claimed in a somewhat straightforward way by the goalkeeper. but deflected off a defender into the near post. Still a goal. Congrats to her. 16 years old. And at one point,

she almost, almost completely embarrassed Olivia Moultrie. You know, just like, I mean, she just dances around, dances around back and forth. It must be very annoying to play against her.

And Moultrie, that grizzled 19-year-old said, enough, embodied her and then sent things the other way. And, um, I just also want to say in the Vancouver game, Barsanis got the start, hit the post from 20 yards, did a lot more dancing around, show that she has a good right foot too. Like she can hit it pretty well with both feet. So I'm fully locked in.

You know, if you're doing all this at 16, you know, she obviously has some stuff to iron out. She does give the ball away a bit, but she's pretty excited. exciting. No, she's a blast. She's a blast. And for the U-17s, she and Fuller play as a double pivot quite a lot, and they just mess around. Like, they just mess with people. It's hysterical. And she and Kennedy Fuller are headed out to the World Cup right now, so I can't wait to see them. We're going to get into that roster in a second, but what? Any thoughts on Portland?

They're a mess without Sophia Smith, but one positive note, Sam Coffey did look like her old self. I thought that she was strong. I thought she defended as well as she could with a flailing team around her, and she was creating chances. So if she, when she gets caught up again, I am not going to. expect her to be her Olympic self. I think she looks healthy and ready to go. Okay. You know, that reminds me I wanted to say about Lindsay earlier

because it's sort of the same problem for both of them. But in Lindsay's case, you know, the question she raised about herself at the Olympics, strangely enough, she started every minute. I mean, she played just about every minute at the Olympics. We won the gold medal. She didn't play well. She didn't look very good. And those questions are not going to be answered with her running behind the back line against Fleury and Strasbourg.

Like, it's just not. So that's why Champions League is going to be so important for, like, watching her, I guess. But I do, I am hopeful maybe both for Sam and for Lindsay, that if Emma can institute her, as she called it, game model in a more thorough way than she was able to do in like two and a half months before the Olympics or whatever it was. Maybe then Haran's strengths will be

emphasized more and her weakness is hidden more. I don't know. Because it doesn't seem like she's definitely Lindsay's not going anywhere. I wouldn't think. Sam maybe her position maybe a little more tenuous. But I think Sam wasn't quite as much of a problem in the tournament as Lindsay was. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't really have a strong point to make there. I mean, it's all, I think it's all up for grabs. I really do you really? Yeah. The way Emma and Lindsay were talking after the, you know, after the goal metal game. Is exactly how she flooded Alex Morgan with love and then cut her down to camps like that. Okay.

Okay. All right. And, I mean, at Chelsea, she doesn't have, she didn't have loyalties. I mean, she starts players, she benches players, and they're fine with it. Yeah. Okay, okay. Last game, I think it's the last game. Second to last game.

Chicago, North Carolina, it's quick, though. Chicago lost one to three. Emma Hayes was there. That's the game she talked to the broadcast at. And it was Ashley Sanchez's season. And I'm not just saying that. Everybody, calm down. She was great.

I'm great. She was great. I'm just protecting myself. She heard Emma Hayes was coming and she decided to show up. She was involved in two goals. The first goal, she could have had an assist on, but it went down as an own goal. The second goal North Carolina got, it was a hockey assist. But it just wasn't the Sanchez show.

I thought Ryan Williams was fantastic. She's there right back. It just was a fantastic day for North Carolina. If Emma Hayes was there to scout the futures, I think Ryan Williams is one of them or could be one of them. and I think it's important to remember we are down on attacking midfielders. If Catarina is not fully fit, if Jaden Shaw is not fully fit, Ashley Sanchez could be one of them because Croix Batoon will not be there.

Everybody knows old Ashley Sanchez under Vladko. We could see this one. under Sean Nehas, it could be a very good fit, I think. She is thriving. I think that's very clear. That goal where she got the hockey assist was all her, kind of toyed with a defender down in the corner, eliminated her completely,

and then just made the rest of the sequence pretty easy for her teammates, kind of cut it back for Lucy, who had a straightforward square ball for the assist. The own goal was a really unfortunate statistical matter. for Sanchez because that was a gorgeous ball in an extremely dangerous area. And yeah, she's just like she is, she's cooking out there. She's, um...

She leads a team in goals and assists. Yeah. And she's... And she looks like she's having fun. She looks like she's having fun too. Back heels and kind of like Melanie Barsanous looks, but like with more, a little more purpose. Control.

Yeah, control. Like she went to college. Yeah. Like she has a bachelor's degree. Yeah. But, Mal Swanson, she was so-so, but that's what you get in Chicago. I do think they'll make the playoffs, which just means we get more of Mao Swanson. Aren't we all lucky?

A few miscellaneous items before we go home? Yes, please. Please, please. Okay. something I am excited about, but we don't get to see for a few years. FIFA intends to make recommendations to the Olympic Committee to change the format of the women's Olympic tournament in terms of the number of teams from 12 to 16 to mirror the men's tournament. Equality. Yeah.

Seems like a no-brainer. Glad to hear that it's been proposed. Okay, let's talk a little bit about who's on the U-17 World Cup roster. That tournament starts on the 16th. So 12 days from today, and it's happening in the Dominican Republic. The U.S.'s group includes Spain, Colombia, and Korea. Sounds like kind of a tricky group, but we'll be fine. We'll be outstanding, won't we?

Who are you most excited about? Yeah, I think it's a unique group that we're bringing in this year. We have four professionals and four college players, which is pretty rare for this age group. So we have Kennedy Fuller from Angel City. She's a midfielder. We have Melanie Barsanis from San Diego Wave, midfielder. Before mentioned both of them. Yes.

Huge fans of both of them, as everybody who is listening should be. Kimmy Asenoh, I think I'm saying that wrong, but I have seen her play for San Diego as well. She's very good. San Diego Wave, midfielder, and then Ainsley McCammon, she just signed with Seattle Rain, but on this roster, she is listed as a midfielder as well. So we're bringing a bunch of pro midfielders, which is always a good sign. And then on for our college players, we have Defender Trinity Armstrong from UNC. We have Defender Katie Scott from Penn State.

And then forward Maddie Podeski from Alabama, Mary Long from Duke. And then all four of these players all entered college early. So I think it's really exciting that we're coming in strong. And these pro players, at least the first three are going to be starting. Yeah. I'm very excited to be watching Kennedy and Melby in the midfield together. I've seen this U-17 team play with those two together, and they just, they have a lot of fun. So this group is certainly not going to be easy, but like the U-20 team, they figured it out.

And I'm really excited to see what they do together. And just to be clear, the rest of the roster, so four pros, four college players, the rest of the roster is just at local clubs, like elite, I assume, travel clubs and stuff. Dallas Trinity FC Academy is one that is represented at least twice. Legends FC. Carolina Ascent FC. So yeah, these are just, these are children. Yeah. Those games will be broadcast on either FS2 or Fox Soccer Plus, I guess.

So there you go. Barssonus, I'll just say for myself, Barsinus is, she's worth, she's worth tuning in at least a little bit. it for. Okay. Hey, thanks everybody for listening. Thank you, Tara. We'll see you.