Search Engine - The Obituary

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Not long after Alex’s wife Whitney dies, he looks at her obituary and discovers something strange. A sect of people online has hijacked her story and turned it into a disturbing conspiracy theory. Check out the place Whitney worked, Project: Onward, a non-profit studio for artists with disabilities. (They have very cool & reasonably priced art for sale). Support Search Engine! Comment on this episode! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Alex. He was talking to me from his home in Chicago. Check 1-2. Hello. Hey, hey. Hello. How's it going? Hi. I'm doing well, thanks. How are you, PJ? I'm okay. What are the posters behind you? Oh, so this is my home office slash studio where it's just a bunch of random kind of music posters. I've got his royal badness right here, Prince, one of my heroes. It's mostly music-related stuff. In the closet behind me is kind of.

kind of where I've got a little sort of makeshift memorial set up for Whitney, my wife, her ashes, as well as, you know, just some photos, some trinkets. Those are some of her clothes hanging up. But most of what's remained is kind of just set up in here with me. Alex had written me an email about his wife Whitney. She and their unborn son died in October of 2022. Alex's email was about this experience he had online in the wake of Whitney's death, where the story of her life had been hijacked in a very bizarre way.

He wanted to tell me that story, which for him meant also explaining a little bit about who Whitney had been back when she was still alive. We're together for nearly 12 years, married for three of them, and when I moved to Chicago, she was already here going to school at the School of the Art Institute. She graduated from there with a degree in fine art and drawing.

but when I met her, she was working at Mariano's, which is a chain of supermarkets around here. And I was working in the produce department. She was in the liquor department. And I would kind of go out of my way with my produce cart on the way to the produce section to kind of go through liquor to just sort of flirt with her a little. Was that obvious? Does a man from produce not have much of a reason to find himself in the liquor section?

It was definitely a roundabout way to get over there. Yeah. So I think she knew exactly what I was doing. Alex and Whitney bonded pretty quickly. Whitney was in a car accident early in their courtship, and as she recovered at her parents' home, they'd talk long distance on the telephone. When she came back to the city, they quickly moved in together.

The rest, Alex says, was just kind of history. He got to spend over a decade with this person who was for him, his hero. You know, I certainly am not exaggerating when I say in no uncertain terms that she was just the kindest, most authentic, creative, and truly empathetic person I've ever known. She just had the most incredible moral compass that I've ever seen on anyone. What did that look like? It was just, I really didn't see any sort of gray area with her when it came to like what was right or wrong. In fact, since she's passed, there's this kind of thing that I live by, which is WWW, WWW, what would Whitney want?

professionally, you know, she dedicated her life and career to a nonprofit based here in Chicago that provides a studio and gallery space for adult artists with developmental disabilities. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's an incredible organization. She was very proud to work there. I've always been very kind of, I don't know, just frustrated professionally. I'm a failed musician, so that's something I've come to terms with. I just turned 40 this year, and that causes a lot of reflection.

of course, but the incredible thing was that Whitney was so passionate about her career and she did so much incredible stuff. And I was just frankly happy to sort of play a supporting role in her life. That was sort of like Whitney's world, and I just lived in it, which I know kind of sounds bad, but it was really a privilege to live in that world. Alex and Whitney were married in October 2019. Alex wishes he'd proposed sooner. It wasn't that he ever wanted to be with anyone else. It was that he used to think marriage was what you did when you'd figured your life out.

But once he proposed, it felt exactly right. And soon after their wedding, they decided to start a family. We knew it was going to be a challenge because she was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes when she was 12 years old. But it was just, I mean, we just wanted it bad enough that we were willing to kind of risk it, I guess. I mean, I never in my wildest dreams imagine that the consequences would be this dire. But right off the bat, after she got pregnant, it was very, very difficult. She was dealing with a condition called hyper-emesis gravoderm, which is essentially just the most brutal, intense morning sickness that you could experience. And it's like, it's every single day throughout the day.

nothing seemed to help, nothing relieved it. And we kept seeing the doctors, they assured us that, you know, despite everything, that it wasn't anything to be terribly concerned about. But then 22 weeks into the pregnancy, you know, after we'd already done the ultrasounds, we knew we were having a son, we'd given him a name, I felt him kick. She came home from work because she was incredibly still working through all of this. And we watched TV. I rubbed her feet, which was a common occurrence,

especially during the pregnancy. We even took our dog to the park through the ball around a little bit. It was one of the easier, you know, more relaxed days we'd had since the pregnancy. And we went to bed and she actually had a really pretty nice night.

But then the next morning I woke up and she did not. She died in her sleep. Oh, God. And I, I just, still have that image in my mind. It's burned in there. I'm never going to, that's another thing that just every time I really stop and think about it, I really does feel like I'm in a, like, a horror movie or something. I mean, it was just terrifying. Going from what was to be almost certainly the, like, best moment of my entire life. I'm sorry. You want to take a sec? I might just need it like a second.

To go from, yeah, what was going to be the happiest occasion in both of our. lives to having the pendulum swing so hard in the other direction. It felt like the, I had no, I just had no context for it. It was the worst thing that ever happened to anyone that I know. And it happened to me. And it happened to her, and it happened to our family. And so they came, paramedics came, police came, they kind of just, kind of just checked everything out and officially declared her dead. And then this is another thing that, you know, they don't, that you're not really prepared for or even, like, aware of is, like, all of the kind of just, like, bureaucracy and, like, that comes with, like, a family member dying and, like, all of the just kind of, like,

administrative stuff you need to take care of. So what does that look like? Well, like right off the bat, I was like, I don't know, I just had this assumption that they would like take her and perform an autopsy or something. I didn't know. But especially because I was, I think even though I probably knew at that point in the back of my mind that it was related to the pregnancy, that it was some complication. Like, I still wanted to know what happened. But they left her there and it was up to me to call. a funeral home and I just picked the one that was closest there's one right around the corner and thankfully they actually

kind of took their time coming to pick her up and so I got to spend close to an hour with her and it was later determined after her family and I did

pay for a private autopsy it was determined that the cause of death was it clamps you. I want to just explain what eclampsia is, because for this story, it's important to know how Whitney actually died. When you're pregnant, your body produces more blood, and normally, your blood vessels adapt to handle that. But in some mothers, blood vessels don't adapt normally, leading to pre-eclampsia.

Your blood vessels become tighter and leakier, which is dangerous. This can lead to swelling in your brain, to strokes. If it progresses to seizures, that's called eclampsia. Either stage can be fatal. As a first time mother, as a diabetic, and as someone older than 35, Whitney fits some of the criteria for a clamsia risk, but she just didn't know, which is something Alex still struggles to forgive himself for. Now that the dust has sort of settled to a degree, and I really think about it,

I'm just like, what were we thinking? This was such a terrible idea. I've beat myself up so much over it. but everyone reminds me of how sort of stubborn Whitney was and how badly she wanted to be a mom and I'm not sure even if we did have a better sense of like just how risky it was I don't know if that would have been enough to convince her otherwise and she went to bed that night happy and pregnant

and she loved being pregnant despite all the complications. And she was so excited to be a mom. And I just like to think that as awful as the next morning was, that at least, I don't know, I think everything probably felt right in her life at that moment. Grief is very complicated. There are losses we move on from, and others we don't, don't want to.

These losses, our minds just orbit for years. The memory of our loved one feels closer sometimes, further at others, but never really out of sight. Whatever that force is that binds us, that combination of love and grief and memory, Alex, three years from Whitney's death, is gripped by it, and making sense of what to do with its pull

is one of his life's real questions. But in the weeks that followed Whitney's death, something else happened, something on the internet, which is something that he has very uncomplicated feelings about. rage, despair, hurt. And that event would begin with Whitney's obituary, which Alex worked very hard on.

I insisted on writing it myself, and I wanted to try to capture as much as I could in a few paragraphs of just like how important she was to people and how much good she did and how creative she was and how much she loved her family. And, you know, I didn't expect her hometown newspaper obituary to like be that widely circulated unfortunately it did end up being seen by many more people than I anticipated and I am pretty certain that it's due to like a key phrase

that I used in the obituary and what was the phrase died suddenly died suddenly which is accurate it accurately describes the way she died and it felt like such an innocuous phrase to me. I didn't think twice about including it in there. It was just two words out of, you know, many more descriptive and personal and emotional words that I used to describe her and the experience. But shortly after that, I discovered on the obituary that had been published on the paper's website and on her social media account, Facebook, Instagram, these comments started to show up. Initially, the comments were all from friends and family, of course, just like offering

their condolences. But then I started to see people that had no connection whatsoever to her or myself or her family. And they were just saying the most heinous, hurtful, and just wrong things about. the way that she died and about her. And what were they saying about how she died and what were they saying about her? They ranged from celebrating her death as another kind of lib casualty of the jab, the vaccine that is, for COVID-19. many were just very, very cruel and accused her of just being selfish and foolish and reckless for getting the vaccine.

Like she somehow intentionally killed herself and our baby. Some of them were actually kind of sympathetic and, you know, made a point to mention how sad it is that she and our baby both died, but still insisting that the vaccine is what caused it. So these are, the obituary, wrote for your wife, had been found by people online who believe that vaccines are somewhere between extremely dangerous to a government plot to actively kill Americans. And so their reaction to her death was that it was evidence

in an argument they were already having and either they were like expressing sympathy but in a completely deranged way, expressing judgment in a deranged way, or expressing happiness because the idea is that she was a liberal, liberals take vaccines, liberals get what they deserve, that was the range. That pretty much sums it up, yeah. And I mean, yes, we both have been vaccinated, as has most everyone we know. and even assuming for a moment

entertaining this ridiculous conspiracy theory that the vaccines did somehow contribute to it, the fact that they would still just so cruelly ridicule her and mock her just was mind-blowing. I couldn't believe it. It was just horrifying. When Alex plugged Whitney's name into Google

to try to figure out where this was coming from, he landed on a website called BitShute. BitShoot is a video hosting service that caters to the far right. Lots of racial slurs, lots of stuff about the Jews. And among it all, he found video montages that included Whitney and him, photos from their wedding, photos from her social media, comment after comment about how she died from the vaccine, how he'd let it happen. He and his wife had been cast as characters in some dark fantasy made by lunatics on a website he'd never heard of. And it had spread to Twitter, too, with this tweet

about Whitney from an account actually called, died suddenly. That tweet had been retweeted nearly 2,000 times. I didn't know what to do about it. I was so overwhelmed and so upset. My first thought was, like, God, I just, I, the thought of, like, her family, her parents stumbling across this as easily as I did on their own, it just, it terrified me.

It just broke my heart. And I knew I had to try to do something. thing. And I didn't want to tell anybody about this because I didn't want anyone to see it and kind of experience these sensations that I was experiencing. So my first thought was to register my own Bitshoot account, infiltrate this community, and hunt all of these people down and confront them in person somehow, even though I suspect most of them never leave their house. Obviously, you know, I'm not Liam Neeson. I'm not going to dispense vigilante justice,

so my cooler had prevailed. But I did reach out to a friend who happens to be an attorney who kindly helped me draft a cease and desist letter that I then sent to Bitschute. And after a bit of back and forth, they did agree to take down two of the videos that I had highlighted, not the channels, but just those videos that were, you know, related to Whitney. And so BidShoot

willing to take down the video with a lawyer's threat. Right. You know, I kind of came at it from an angle of like, this is like slander or libel. I'm not a lawyer, but my friend is, thankfully. So I think that whether they thought there was any real legal threat to them, I think they probably just, it was enough for them to just take it down so that I wouldn't bother them anymore. But since then, I haven't been able to.

to bring myself to go look to see if it's still out there. I'm sure there are other pages that I missed. Again, they had been commented and shared thousands of times, and I just don't want to see it. I just can't. I really can't handle it, PJ. I honestly can't. Alex had written to me on what would have been Whitney's 39th birthday. He didn't have a question he wanted us to answer, but he thought that the language he'd used in the obituary might have helped these people find his wife. And he wanted to talk about it in public so that other people who lost their loved ones would know to be careful when they wrote their obituaries. I don't know. I mean, the reason I reached out to search engine is because nearly three years after she died, it still makes me so angry. And I just, I hate to think that

other people have to deal with this during what is already like the most difficult time in their life. And I think people need to know. I think that funeral homes, and newspapers and anyone else that might be publishing obituary should know enough to warn people that certain words and phrases could potentially lead to this. And having written the obituary, I can't help but blame myself. For that, I wish someone had told me. Of the many things Alex was blaming himself for, this, this notion that he was responsible for a bunch of online loonies, that he should have known better than to use the phrase, died suddenly.

I was pretty sure he was wrong. I just didn't think this was his fault. But I wanted to learn more. I wanted to know why this had actually happened to him. We all know the internet right now is pretty broken, but if most things online are a game where people compete for attention, why were people being rewarded here for smearing Whitney? And why weren't they afraid of being punished for it?

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alongside politicians and thinkers like Corey Booker, Nancy Pelosi, Liz Cheney, Tim Walts, Katanji Brown Jackson, Newt Gingrich, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Charlemagne the God, and so many more. That's all in the New Yorker Radio Hour, wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to the show. So, obviously, anyone awake and sentient in America, understands that there's a loud anti-vaccine movement afoot. But I'd never heard of a group of anti-vaxers

spending their time trolling regular people's obituaries. For one thing, it did not seem like a good way to persuade anyone to join their side. It was so cruel and obnoxious. But the group who had ended up at Alex's doorstep, whatever they were doing, to me it felt weirdly organized. What did they want? What were they getting out of this?

The first thing I saw was that this was happening to a lot of other people. as well. Posts about dead loved ones getting thousands of retweeds or hundreds of comments from this army of obituary trolls. One of the earliest examples I saw was of a woman named Amanda McCulloch in Washington, D.C. In September 2021, Amanda's baby son died. Amanda wrote a post on what was then called Twitter, just a picture of her baby being kissed by his toddler sibling. She wrote, quote, Yesterday my littlest one passed away unexpectedly and suddenly, a two and a half months. We don't have answers on how or why, but if you have littles at home, give them an extra squeeze today.

We're going to miss babies, ease, smiles, giggles, and the joy he brought to our family. Amanda had used somewhat similar phrasing to our listener Alex, pretty conventional obituary language for death, passed away unexpectedly and suddenly. She wasn't someone with a lot of followers, but the obituary trolls found her within a day. A stranger grabbed her memorial post and used it to make a new image, where it was pasted alongside a tweet she'd made the year before about being vaccinated. Somebody called her the dumbest mother ever. Someone else called her a murderer. Amanda wrote a piece about this for The New York Times, where she said her original tweet got over 400 comments. I quickly found many more stories just like these. Many clustered around

2022. For instance, Maddie Gold, an artist and professor in Philadelphia, she died of a heart attack. She'd also been fighting stage four metastatic cancer. Her wife, who wrote her obituary, also wrote about her death on Twitter, and in both instances, used the same phrase, died suddenly, which tripped the same alarm. All these replies from people blaming Maddie for her own death. Somebody says, get the Vax, pay the tax. Reading some more of these obituary troll posts,

I started to develop a working theory for how these people had gotten deranged. Before the pandemic, of course, I'd known there was a relatively small movement of American vaccine skeptics, mostly parents who believe that vaccines like the measles bumps and rebella vaccine could cause autism in their children. These parents did not like that in the United States, kids usually need to be vaccinated

in order to attend public school. But these activists were a small group. COVID changes everything. In 2021, we started to see vaccine mandates. It was the first time, really, that most adults needed to be vaccinated in order to participate in American life. Many people needed proof of vaccination to back to work. In 2021, I remember carrying my little folded-up vaccination card with me so I could go into public spaces again. I never minded this. I was grateful for the vaccines. But there were people who felt pissed off, who were never convinced that the vaccines were necessary or necessary for them. And these people started to find each other online, which created a test for a country that values free speech, but was also singularly focused on preventing COVID from spreading further.

What should we do about people who try to persuade other people not to get vaccinated? Particularly if those persuaders have large audiences who they are on purpose or by accident misinforming. Back then, looking at the problem, a lot of people decided that it might be worth compromising on some of our ideas about free speech. On Twitter, this is pre-musk, Twitter started banning prominent accounts that spread vaccine misinformation. In 2021, writer Alex Berenson, a leading vaccine, skeptic got a permanent suspension. So did Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green, which was a big deal. Our rise today is the only member of Congress that has ever been banned by social media.

On January 2nd of 2022, Twitter banned me. Facebook was less willing to do this until the Biden administration started publicly pressuring Mark Zuckerberg. You had Biden's spokesperson at a press conference. We've increased disinformation. research and tracking within the Surgeon General's office. We're flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation. We're working with doctors.

It sort of flies by, but what she's saying here is unusual. The U.S. government is specifically flagging problematic posts on Facebook for Facebook to take down. The next day, Biden is interviewed next to his very noisy helicopter. I don't know why they always talking to the helicopter. What's your message to platforms like Facebook? The reporter asked him his message to platforms like Facebook. They're killing people. And Biden says they're killing people.

The only pandemic we have is among unvaccinated. And they're killing people. They're killing people. Legally, it's very hard for the government to officially hold platforms responsible for the things that their users post. But when the government directly accuses your tech company of killing people, as a CEO, you listen. And Mark Zuckerberg listened. On Facebook, posts were deleted, some that had spread lies, others that were simply critical of vaccines. The Biden government got what it wanted, and on the respectable parts of the internet, the problem did for a moment look solved.

Of course, none of those ideas actually disappeared, and none of the people who held them disappeared either. They just found fringier places to congregate, places where no one was challenging their beliefs at all. Talking to each other, and really only each other, their conspiracies only got more and more elaborate. And then they broke containment. Well, the big story of the morning, Elon Musk is officially taking control of Twitter, completing his $44 billion takeover of the social media giant. He has promised to restore banned accounts, including former President Trump's. Tonight, what he's now saying about all this. Here's our chief business.

Elon Musk takes over Twitter in 2022. Quickly welcomes back many of the permanently banned vaccine skeptics. Marjorie Taylor Green returns victorious. A couple years later, Donald Trump will. retake the White House, and we know the rest of the story. The tech CEOs like Mark Zuckerberg, who bent somewhat for Biden, will bend all the way over for the new moderator in chief. Hey, everyone. I want to talk about something important today, because it's time to get back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram. One of the places that anti-vaxxers had

been hanging out during their year in the wilderness was a website called Rumble. It's YouTube for right-wingerers who get kicked off YouTube. And in November 2022, a big, a big, new documentary appears on Rumble, simultaneously posted to Elon Musk's Twitter as well. It's called Died Suddenly. U.S. Life Insurance companies have reported an overwhelming and unexplainable increase in all-caused deaths among 18 to 49-year-olds. There's been a surge of anti-vaxed documentaries since COVID, but died suddenly was the breakout hit. There's a day after getting their second COVID-19 vaccine. Died suddenly,

opens with this fever-dream montage of conspiracy images. Jeffrey Epstein, 9-11, but also Bigfoot, Elvis, a UFO. The montage ends, and I expected died suddenly to start talking about vaccines. Instead, the movie starts talking about overpopulation. The theory of the doc is that global elites want to reduce the amount of people on Earth, and they've devised a very evil plan to do that. This evil plan, though, is such a poorly kept secret, that you see a very selectively edited clip of Tom Hanks

talking about all this publicly in a press tour where he's actually promoting some action movie. I was told the concept that eventually the world will have too many people in it in order to subsist on its own. And that stuck with me for a long time, and that's what Inferno is about. The quantum physics of overpopulation in an instant.

So that, according to Died Suddenly, is proof that the elites want to kill us. And now we learn their plan. Design a lethal bioweapon, an injectable shot that kills people. But tell everybody that actually it's a vaccine for COVID. What if hundreds of millions of people would willingly or under the duress of fear allow themselves to be injected with a bioweapon? What if global mass vaccination could be accomplished in a short period of time

by applying relentless coercion tactics and psychological... So we were all tricked into injecting ourselves with poison. And in the logic of the movie, many, many of us died from these vaccines. And the people who seem to have first noticed this, according to the film, are mainly embalmers and other people who work in funeral homes. I mean, I just buried someone recently who died suddenly. Was it sick person in their 60s, but otherwise was not sick. This man is a funeral director.

And his evidence for the idea that the rate of people, dying suddenly has shot up, doesn't come from statistics or charts. It comes from a specific kind of internet search that somebody showed him. Somebody mentioned to go on to Google and then type in Died Suddenly and find the news articles that would pop up. You see a Google search bar. You see someone type the words, died suddenly. And then, perhaps not surprisingly, Google News displays many obituaries of people who have died.

Young people, old people, athletes have just dropped dead. without explanation. And it's like it's no big deal. It's like we just don't know. It happens. But no, it's not happened. It's never happened like this until now. This is the movie's evidence.

This plus a bunch of gory close-up shots of blood clots that the embalmers say look weird to them. On this evidence base, for over an hour, a tower of increasingly hysterical paranoia is erected. It's my professional medical opinion that this is a bio weapon and that this was a bio weapon unleashed against humanity with the intent to depopulate and control the population of the world. The goal was to reduce the world's population is working.

This has been well planned. This is agenda 2030. This is the Great Reset. Dide suddenly contains the kind of worldview that before the Internet, would have been scrawled in marker on a cardboard sign, held up by an unwell person who would have influenced no one. So how did we get to a place where something so paranoid could become so popular? Dide Suddenly has been viewed over 20 million times.

And for many of those viewers, this is a conversion movie. You don't just watch it. You watch it, and if you buy its theory, you have a bizarre kind of awokening. Afterwards, whenever you look at the Internet, you've been given this pattern to search for. And that means that each person in this room viewing this broadcast, replaying this broadcast, each one of you has a critical, God-given role. This last internet feature-sounding voice belongs to a stern man who you see speaking from a podium,

in a dark suit and a red tie. This is the film's executive producer dropping in for an unannounced cameo. His name is Stu Peters. I found myself trying to understand Stu Peters because his career on the internet would end up affecting the life of our listener Alex. And I was surprised to learn that when Stu Peters first popped up in front of a camera, holding a mic,

he wasn't talking about COVID bio-weapons at all. Instead, he was engaged in a different test of the limits of American free speech. Minnesotaan rap music. No regrets, right? Some people say to be nice, specifically. In this music video from 2012, out on the is rapping about his desire to be famous.

They're going to know the name Stuart Peters, from the grassroots music to influence on big screens and movie theaters. I'm finally going to live that dream. It's worth the thin times I went through to make a difference. Stuart Peter's rap career did not take off. So he reinvented himself as a bounty hunter. He would post videos from his job as owner of a company called Twin Cities Apprehension Team. In the videos, Peters chases down people who presumably have skipped bail.

He's dressed a lot like a cop, badge and all, enough so that eventually one local sheriff got angry enough about this that a law was passed. By the time the bounty hunting business shuttered in 2021, Stewart, now Stu, was our already on to his next act. Monday, November 15th, 2021. Welcome to the Stu Peters show. My name is Stu Peters. Well, by now, anybody who puts America first, a video podcast, anybody who embraces the exceptionalism that is America has no doubt heard it all from the wretches and parasites who hate this country. If you embrace the America First ideology, there's no doubt you've been labeled a racist, a fascist, a Nazi, a white supremacist. It's sort of like Invo Wars, but angrier, much more laser-focused on hating Jewish people.

Here, he does stunts like launching a meme coin. But J-proof, the cryptocurrency coin that was created by me and was launched by me, most importantly backed by me, yours truly, Stu Peters. Jay-proof, you get no points for guessing what the J stands for. According to his website can help you break free from the Jewish-run banking cabal. I've heard a lot of reasons given by crypto people for why regular money. is bad, I'd never heard this critique against the dollar. It's run on the Jewish money-making scheme that's banned by Jesus Christ. Before the pandemic, Stu Peters existed on the fringes of the fringe.

And when he first attempted to make it as an alt-right podcast host, I'm not sure I would have bet on him. It's a hard place to break through. There's a lot of people fighting for the same audience. And Stu Peters, I just do not find him that electric at the thing he's trying to do. It's a little like watching a cover band. But he pretty quickly found his hook. November 17th, 2021, welcome to the Stu Peters show.

My name is Stu Peters. Well, if you watch fake news on TV, they'll tell you that the COVID-19 vaccines are 100% safe and anything suggesting otherwise is misinformation. Anti-vaxor paranoia in 2021 finally delivers Stu Peters to a level of internet fame that had previously alluded to him. You see, they can disappear YouTube.

videos. They can delete Facebook posts. They can ban and platform entire Twitter accounts, but they can't get rid of real people. They can't get rid of the tidal wave of individuals. Many of them, Joe Biden, voters, former vaccine supporters who are now telling the world about what's happened to them since getting injected with this bio weapon being falsely presented as a vaccine. That clip is from November 2021. For the next year, Stu Peters is racking up views talking about the vaccines. And by the following October, he's begun talking about the exciting new project

he's about to release. It's time for today's Died Suddenly's story of the day. For several weeks, we've been bringing you a new story every day of somebody who dropped dead shortly after taking a COVID shot. We'll keep doing it until the release of our Died Suddenly documentary in November.

And really, maybe we'll keep going after that. For as long as it takes for the public to appreciate what has been done to them by our demonic elites. The online behavior that had caused Alex, our listener, so much pain, strangers picking over obituaries, thrusting grieving families into the spotlight. It seems to have been supercharged here, as of all things, a social media publicity campaign for a movie. The X account for Died Suddenly, which is also called Died Suddenly, generated buzz by finding a steady stream of

Died Suddenly obituaries to share with its followers, which certainly drummed up attention for the film. When Died Suddenly, the documentary was released, it was an instant hit. it. Over 5 million views just in the first three days, the died suddenly hashtag took off with the film, with the movie's ex-account continuing to highlight allegedly suspicious obituaries, and fans also just doing it on their own. It was happening widely enough that mainstream reporters started to notice what was going on, and the BBC asked to interview Stu Peters about his project. What the BBC did not fully understand when booking this interview was that Stu Peters had a plan of his own. He showed up with his own crew, and later posted the uncut

version directly to X, with the title, BBC doesn't want you to see this. So you made a film called Dying Suddenly. I'm just curious, what were you, what was your aim with that sound? What were you trying to do or create? Oh, we were trying to save as many lives as possible. I mean, it's very well known, very common knowledge now that a bio weapon has been released on humanity and that it's just been relentlessly pushed as this safe and effective vaccine. It's a complete lie.

It's a total lie. And it's... Stu Peters, he's dressed in the MAGA uniform. red tie, tight blue blazer. He's got a sort of business fash haircut. The sides cropped, the top gelled into a ski jump. And so they believe that people are presenting news and telling the truth because they've been propagandized and lied to for virtually their entire lives.

The raw interview goes on like this for a while. Eventually, the BBC reporter asks Stu Peters about obituary trolls. Or she tries to. Stu Peters just starts talking over her. That's great. That's awesome. to hear. I'm super happy to hear that because as that begins to trend and as that continues to grow, all we're doing is saving more lives. I think that's awesome and I'm happy to hear you report that. Thank you.

The reporter presses on. She tells Stu Peters that she's spoken to a woman whose husband died of a congenital illness. The whole planet is full of great distress right now. Nobody should be harassed at all. Like the people that are constantly harassed and berated for fighting against. against the SIOP of this fake bio weapon vaccine that have been fired, that have lost everything, that have been persecuted, even jailed. People were chased down in Austria and forced vaccinated. I mean, children were pinned to the ground

and needles shoved into them, so do you feel okay about that? I mean, you're talking about somebody getting their feelings hurt. I'm talking about people being murdered, kids being murdered. You're worried about if somebody got their feelings hurt. Is that really the conversation that we're having right now? You want to know if I care that somebody got their feelings hurt?

No, I don't give a damn that somebody got their feelings hurt. Real kids are out here dying every single day. Stu Peters, to my eye, seems unwell. If you take him in his word, he says he's so certain that vaccines are government-created, kid-killing bio-weapons, that the real feelings of actual grieving people are immaterial to him. We sent Stu Peters a list of questions over email about the story. He didn't answer them, but he or his representative did say that he's not affiliated with the Died Suddenly X account, which I think is true.

He's in a legal battle with the other Died Suddenly filmmakers, each side fighting over who should own the copyright and trademark of the film. But in the meantime, the Died Suddenly account continues to do what it's always done. It looks for obituaries of ordinary Americans who have died ordinary deaths and holds them up as evidence of the COVID vaccine bioweapon. In December 2022, the Died Suddenly ex-account posted a wedding photo of a very happy-looking couple. They're holding up their hands in the Star Trek salute. They're young. They're proud to finally be wed.

The bride has a big bouquet of flowers and an enormous smile. The groom has his head nuzzled against hers. Our listener, Alex, his wife, Whitney. Somebody had dug into Whitney's Facebook account and cropped into the corner some post where she just shared information about some free vaccination event back in April, The caption of the Died Suddenly Post is brief. Quote, this 36-year-old woman had hashtag died suddenly in her sleep. She was 22 weeks pregnant with her unborn son.

Nothing in the caption itself is untrue. Whitney was 36. Whitney did die suddenly. She was 22 weeks pregnant with her unborn son, Felix. The facts are true. It's just they've escaped their context and been misplaced into this new one in which Whitney is now a character in a story she does not belong to.

We haven't figured out in 2025 what to do about bad actors who behave like this, people who make their delusions memetic, whose conspiracy theories can send harassing mobs after innocent people. What we do know is that the internet we've built

trained Sue Peters and the died suddenly crew, and it rewards them, the way it trains and rewards anybody who posts on it. But what do we do about that internet? Most of the ways we've tried to silence conspiracy theorists, shaming, censoring, kicking them off platforms, have failed.

In many cases, trying to shut them down has made them more paranoid, more determined. We do still have the courts. We do still have defamation laws. And those can work. When Alex Jones was claiming that the Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax, calling the parents of dead children actors, those parents sued him. They won. He lost over a billion dollars. We found a way to raise the price of delusion. And when Alex, our listener, asked a lawyer friend to email BitShoot, one of the websites that had photos of him and Whitney on it, the webmaster complied, deleted the images. So our laws still work at the edges, but there's still this larger problem. How our country, built on the idea that anybody should be able to say what they want, starts to sputter once you invent social media, a talent show to see who can say the craziest thing to earn followers.

When Alex first wrote to us, he wanted to warn the world. If someone you love dies suddenly, don't use those words publicly. Don't summon the hordes of lunatics. The thing is, I don't think there's some language modification you can make that keeps you safe from the delusions of other people online. The obituary trolls found lots of obituaries that never even used those specific words. And once you're a part of their story, it's hard to get to. get out. Lies are inherently viral. They can be whatever their audience wants them to be. The truth is

solid but stubborn. It often refuses to travel as far. But it's all we have. If we know it's true, we have to keep insisting on it. Hi, my name is Blaine Oliver. I was Whitney's father. And I'm Jan Oliver, her mom. I was Whitney's best friend. Whitney's former roommate. Whitney's younger brother. We were like sisters to each other. This is Alex Oliver, Whitney Oliver's husband. So I guess the first thing we should start with is the beginning, which was in Tallahassee, Florida in 1986. So that was when we met her. Whitney and I first met at a summer camp for kids with diabetes.

When I first met Whitney, we would drive around listening to music, getting stoned. My main memories with her, I think, were kind of riding in the car, hearing her sing, sing along with her favorite stuff. We'd sing modest mouse or Bill to Spill or, you know, whatever. When she was a child, she was a big Spice Girls fan, and she would say girl power, the way that the Spice Girls did. She was the loudest singer I had ever heard, and the first time I heard her sing in the car, I thought, wow, this girl is a lot. The thing I miss most about Whitney is talking with her. She had a slight southern lilt to her voice. You could usually hear her talking above everyone else.

I just miss Whitney's joy. I feel like she could inject a lot of positive energy into a situation. There are so many things that we miss, but I can hear her laugh today. She didn't laugh, she would cackle. I'm sure a lot of people would mention this, but had a... A great big laugh that would fill up a room. She had her own fashion style. Her favorite haircut was to do like a bangs that had like a widow's peak,

you know, something that felt very almost Star Trek. She taught me so many things. She taught me the value of family. She taught me literally everything I know about art. I'd somehow never seen point break, die hard, moonstruck, or spice world until I met Whitney. But she remedied all of that. She was proud of her work. She was proud of her family, her friends, her husband.

If I could say anything to her now, I think I'd want to let her know that we're all doing okay. We're all still together. We're all doing our best to carry on her legacy and not use her death as an excuse to be cynical or angry. I'd also tell her that I'm just sorry. I'm so sorry that I couldn't prevent this or protect her. I wish we'd gotten married sooner.

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