Secret Mum Club with Sophiena - The Dummy Dilemma

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

The ladies get sucked back into dummy talk as one mum writes in about her struggles weaning her little ones off finger-sucking. Emma relates to the Secret of the Week, recalling a similar experience from her own childhood involving an x-rated keyring and a curious toddler. Plus, we feature a special clip from Sophiena’s appearance on the Mummy's Boy podcast! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Insert belt cheer. This is The Secret Mum Club. I'm Safina. And I'm Emma. And welcome, like I said, to your Thursday episode. Where we get to squeeze in all the extra bits and bobs from the week. All of your comments, thoughts, questions and fun stories. To keep you going through the weekend. Shall we jump on in? It's time.

To face. The music! It's dun dun To face. The music. It's X Factor, that one. Oh, I wasn't going for an X Factor. That's not the lead up for the X Factor. Yeah. Oh. Were you doing Gladiators?

Yeah, kind of. Maybe not music though. Maybe that's where I got it from. Do you know, funny, I was watching What's Her Face This Morning. It's Cher Lloyd by Cher Lloyd. Oh yeah. I was one of you not having to flush the toilet after you've taken a shit. Disgusting.

Love that meme. Cher Lloyd. Cher Lloyd. Yeah, I was watching Cher Lloyd. On stage. I don't know where she was performing. Is she still performing? Yeah.

She was like a mini Cheryl, wasn't she? Yeah, she was. Mini Cheryl Cole. Yeah, she was. Anywho,eryl wasn't she yeah she was yeah she was anywho we digressed it's time for another correspondence corner we pitched that perfectly together we are pitch perfect yeah i saw you winking me then i was like i tried to give it back to you, but I was all teeth. So Emma,

let's have the first one. All right. This one is from Brooke. Oh, hello, Brooke. She says, hi ladies.

I wanted to join in on the pacifier chat. That's a dummy dummy for Americans. Dodo's in my house. Dodo's. Is it a dodo's in yours? Dummy. Oh, but now Joseph knows what that is. So it's either a D-U-M-M-Y or just the D.

And Joseph loves the D. That's an awkward conversation in the house though, when you're like, just give her the D. She loves the D. That's really as bad as your four letter F word. Fart. Fuck. Joseph started saying fart now.

What, not four letter F word? Nanny and granddad won't be happy about that. Oh God. They think it's a swear word. All right. She says, both of my daughters never took to a pacifier after a couple of weeks, but they both suck their fingers. Oh.

My oldest sucks the index and middle fingers on her left hand. So that's. This one. Those two. Yeah. Like gun fingers. Isn't it? I thought this was a common sucking thing it is the two middle so then you're left with like the rock on sign

and she says my youngest sucks the middle and ring fingers yeah on her right hand yeah so one sucks this way and one sucks this way yeah at way, yeah. At this point, I wish they had taken to a pacifier because then at least I could take it away. My oldest is almost four and still finger sucking. You can't chop your fingers off. But you can take a dummy away. But this is my problem. I always wish that I had finger suckers and not dummy.

Do you? Because I don't want to go in at night and have to put the dummy in 50 times a night, which is what I had to do with Joseph and what I'll probably have to do with Sadie. She's taken a dummy a little bit better now that she i have a friend who's 35 and she can't stop sucking them yeah do you know what as well my friend's little boy is a thumb sucker and they were like try and stop that before his adult teeth come through because it's really yeah

detrimental on their teeth but you know mommy and daddy get more sleep yeah i was gonna say i feel like i feel like they will grow out of it because they'll be very conscious that they're out. They'll be like 16 and trying to like suck the thumb in public. Yeah, so I feel like they will grow out of it. My sisters did it until they were quite old. Were you a dummy or a finger? None.

Neither? No. You just slept like an angel. My mum, I feel like my mum's misremembering the whole third child thing because she's always like, you were so easy. I just put you down and then I didn't hear from you from 6pm to 6am. And I'm like, mum, that is not, that's not true. Like, I think they just didn't have monitors.

And she was just busy looking after two other children and no one could probably hear me crying. So I just got on the bed. Don't make me cry. Last week was too much. I know, but I think she just like misremembers how easy it was but then sometimes I think because Dottie was so so easy I sometimes will remember Colby's because his was so hard like having him and he was so unwell his was really hard and then

obviously Renly he's not hard but I think because he's like the family baby, everybody is absorbing him. It's so much easier to, obviously we're living right now through Renly, aren't we? But sometimes I think Dottie was so, so easy that it just seems like the time has passed so quick. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

I think, yeah, I think there's pros and cons to both things, isn't there? And people that don't give their babies a dummy, like now it's a really good signal for getting Sadie off to sleep and Joseph, like as soon as he has his dummy and his teddy, it's like sleep time. What do those non-dummy parents do to like signal sleep time to their children?

I know there are other things you can do like story time. Give them their finger. Oh, you can't put their fingers. But they don't, when do they learn? They must just know when they want to nod off, like when're tired it's funny how different babies are as well because like my nephew is five weeks younger than Sadie and he's sound his thumb already and he just soothes himself whereas like Sadie and Joseph never did that no I put up a picture of her the other day doing the rock on finger she was sucking them in the buggy and actually loads of people messaged

me going oh my my baby sucked those two fingers or but it was just a random moment in time that i captured she actually doesn't do it like consistently friendly quite often sucks his thumb does he doesn't suck it to go to sleep just he'll just be yeah we just be led in his little chair or when he's what i've always find it's when he's most tired he'll suck his thumb yeah it's so good but not um he's taking better to a dummy i'll give him that he is taking better to a dummy. I'll give him that. He is taking better to a dummy. Yeah. But yeah,

he's not a self soother. No. But then I wonder because we've gone in with the dummy, if we hadn't given the dummy, would they have found their fingers eventually to soothe themselves?

Yeah, maybe. Don't know. I'm never willing to let her cry for long enough. I would love to know if you don't have a dummy or a finger sucker. What do you do?

Yes. Are they a self soother then? Or maybe they rock them. Rock them to sleep. Sleep with a muzzy or a bear we'd love to know if the there is other ways your baby soothes himself tell me the answers because i don't really want sadie to have a dummy when she's older she doesn't really like it though i would say rendy is taken to it more than sadie is she's getting into it a little bit more now it's a really good cue for sleep like when we put it in she knows she falls asleep but then if it if it falls out she's not bothered yeah that's the same as really which is quite good to go to sleep but nine times out of ten he's happy without it yeah

or sometimes just keep it in to keep the sick in because then it encourages him to swallow then which i think is helping it's helping his reflux to have the dummy because then he's constantly swallowing which is helping him i think you were right what you said before about teething as well because they're both on the verge of teething i think it's a soothing for them to have it they do say though a dummy is a good way of um they say it does help with sids don't they i don't want to bring the tone down a little bit yeah because they're constantly having it in their mouth to constantly keep swallowing oh i might i

could be wrong i could have made that up but i'm pretty sure i've seen somewhere that it says that with sids having a dummy helps yeah to keep the baby interesting alert you know so they don't fall into a like super deep sleep yeah sucking away and then when they're sucking they're breathing interesting yeah all right ready for another message yes i am i am says hi soph and emma i've just been listening to the story about the mum who got judged by an elderly lady while she was on her phone out with her little do you remember that i do remember that savage she says i wanted to share my own story about being judged as a new mum when my son was four months old he was really going through it deep in a sleep progression

teething and just generally cranky one morning after a lovely baby group with friends we went to a cafe while the babies were due for a nap my little boy didn't sleep for long and started to stir as i began making him a bottle he grew more and more frustrated when i took him out of his pram my friend pointed out that a few tables away an elderly lady looked at us rolled her eyes and said to her friends thank god she shut him up unfortunately my little boy was inconsolable from being overtired and couldn't decide what he needed. I shushed, bounced and rocked him for about 15 minutes before he finally calmed down and fell asleep again. Meanwhile, the sarcastic comments from the elderly group continued, clearly shared only among themselves.

As a new mom, the thought of my baby crying in public made me anxious and being judged by strangers was one of my worst nightmares. i felt compelled to confront the group about the inconvenience my son had caused by crying they acted as if they'd done nothing wrong but i hope next time they think twice before judging parents with crying babies in public keep smashing it girls love from tony in rexham god bless you tony i'm so sorry you had to go through that what the fuck is wrong with people like what What the fuck is wrong with people? Like what the fucking hell is wrong with people? It's not a designated OAP's restaurant.

Yeah. It's open to the public. It's open. If you don't like it, you remove yourself from the situation. Yeah. I just don't get it. And it just baffles me, right? Because I do think elderly people, I always think 50-50. They've either had children or they haven't.

Or they're very much in a grandparent state like they're going through this it's still very much a cycle of life i don't understand how they can be so fucking rude yeah like that might have been you at one point or your daughter or your grandchild yeah i just it would never ever fathom in my head as to why people feel the need to make other people feel bad yeah and like like tony says it's bad enough when your baby is crying in public believe me you feel fucking embarrassed you are also feeling so stressed about putting annoying everybody else with your screaming baby it's not like she's not trying like leaving him in the buggy to just do what

everyone people just think they must not give a shit yeah no no it's on my mind constantly yeah constantly yeah every mother who goes through any situation whether it's 10 minutes in a shop or three hours in a restaurant if your baby gets upset the first thing in your mind is fuck i'm gonna piss everyone off around me yeah obviously there's people that travel on planes i will say it is a bugbear of mine. I obviously haven't traveled on a plane with the children yet. But when I see people moaning about children on a plane, I just think it's so fucking inconsiderate. Again, it's a public space.

If you don't want a child on your plane, get a private jet. Yep. Or when people huff and puff and they put things in your ears. Go business class then. Fly business class. Yeah. We're allowed. It does bother me bother me i'm not gonna lie i will say i've got a lot more sympathetic since having children i probably was that person in my 20s that would have been like oh great like

the last thing i need is four hours of a screaming baby on my flight brilliant like this is gonna ruin it for me obviously now i'm like no that's actually fine i don't think i've ever we've always been brought up with younger children yeah so i've always been quite compassionate yeah yeah and my mum's really really sympathetic like my mum when we were growing up my mum always used to offer if there was like a mum that was struggling my mum would offer to say oh do you want me to hold the baby for you a minute or can I get anything to help you so I think because my mum has always instilled that in us in such a young age yeah I think I've always been very like we traveled a lot when we were younger so I think because of that and watching my mum I think it made me have maybe a different approach

on that situation but I know people don't always have that people haven't traveled or haven't gone on planes. Yeah. And I understand that not everybody wants children. I get that. And it's just when people are like, oh, you're forcing me to listen to your child. No, I just want to take my baby out to see the world.

And I'm sorry if the plane is a lot for them to deal with. And nobody wants their baby to cry. So believe you me, if you hear that in public, the parents are trying their best their best and honestly and you see some videos don't you and you just think god bless i know god bless the parent i just my sister was on a plane once where somebody screamed at the parents to pick the baby up because it was crying and i don't think they were like comforting it or whatever so a stranger just screamed at them to pick the baby up would you do that absolutely fucking not what

the hell i know i just don't i don't i don't get it no i think i don't know whether then that's me being in my headspace am i being narrow-minded into because i do have children yeah and i've been away with my parents am I narrow-minded in the fact that I shouldn't yeah people should accept the children whereas I I'm not in the mindset of I'm obviously very aware when we go places and stuff I make sure that if we're on a train and things we've got things to occupy the children and keep them happy yeah but I'm also very aware that not everybody wants to listen to my children yeah and i think you over emphasize that situation sometimes i think too much that we stress ourselves out yeah

and probably make the situation worse but i think i i'm never in the headspace that i don't want to go somewhere where i don't hear children and maybe i'm a little bit maybe we're a bit biased because yeah it's like it doesn't bother us as much and the literal sound of a baby crying like used to grate on me whereas now i'm like it's like white noise like it doesn't bother me at all because i'm used to it when you don't hear it that's when it's more scary yeah when the silence silence is deafening it definitely when there's a toddler around but we appreciate you tony thank you and i'm so sorry you had to experience that and just know that it's not you it's them thank you so much for your messages if you have any comments thoughts or funny stories why not get in touch you can email us hello at secret mom pod.com or with

secret mom pod on tiktok and instagram next is time for one of your secrets. Welcome back. We love a secret on the Secret Mum Club. And you're all so good at sharing. So Emma, go on. What have you got for us this week okay this one comes from anonymous oh we know it's going to be the juicy it's one of those ones yeah it says hi ladies i have a secret from when i was little we were at the local pub for dinner with a lot of family including grandparents aunts uncles the lot all was well until my dad accidentally knocked his keys on the floor i picked them up and noticed he had a keychain with the Rolling Stones mouth and the caption, anyone fancy a blowjob?

Rude. I then asked very loudly, what's a blowjob? Fuck. Fuck. This literally happened to me when I was younger. It's one of my family's favorite stories to tell still, is that I sat at the dinner table and asked them all, what's a blowjob?'m with you anonymous all eyes were on my dad as he replied it's when you blow a car dry after you've washed it okay i believed that for years until i was much older and the realization

of that memory hit me with such embarrassment and cringe i can't believe i asked that question in public to my dad i'm 34 now and it still makes me want to bury myself in a hole. God bless you. Quick thinking by the dad. I feel like this is blowing a car when it's had a wash. Imagine she got into like a relationship when she was a bit older and she said like. Oh, do you know what a blowjob is? That's what it is.

Yeah. Imagine she said, oh, do you want to give me a blowjob? What, do you want me to blow your car? Do you want me to wash your car? And then blow it? Absolutely not. That would take me hours it was mine at school and i start because i went to an all-girls school to start with and then i went to a mixed school in year eight yeah and i had a head bag you know the brown head and then everybody was like it was like my second day of school and everyone was like oh do you like heads do you of school and everyone was like, oh, do you like heads? Do you like to give head?

And I was like, oh no, you're right. What does that mean? Yeah, and everyone was like. And then it wasn't until like year nine that I realized what it meant. Oh, it's so innocent. But the thing is like, I remember girls talking about blowjobs at school.

Probably in like year eight and stuff. I mean, I went to quite a rough school. And saying that like, no offense to essex i love you no offense i'm just winding emma i love you dearly um but i remember people talking about it and not knowing what they were talking about and it and that being embarrassing but now i look back and i'm like 12 and 13 year olds shouldn't know that stuff absolutely not young that's my niece now imagine stop that stop that. Yeah, stop it. And my nephew.

That's savage. But when it's something that you think everyone else knows about that you don't, there's nothing more embarrassing, is there? No, and it just went round the whole school that Safina loves head. I love head. Fucking, I really love that bag as well. It was such a great bag. I loved those bags. Yeah, I don't think they do them anymore. They used to have the little compartments, didn't they? Yeah.

It was like a good tennis bag. Yeah, like a tennis bag. But it was cool, wasn't it? It felt like a professional tennis player. Yeah. And it had the long strap or the short strap. Short strap. And it looked like a little bowling bag, didn't it?

I had a lilac and white one. Mine was lilac and white. Shut up! And it had the triangles, didn't it, on the end? And you could zip them off. Yes! And have a little separate... Yeah, mine was lilac and white too.

I'd love that now, would you? Yeah! It'd be iconic. Imagine that as a changing bag. Bring back head, I say. We love head. We love head. Woo!

Do you regularly give your car a blowjob? Let us know. Email us, hello at secretmumpod.com or with Secret Mumpod on TikTok and Instagram. And before we finish up this episode, we have an extra little clip for you. I had a chat with Arthur and Lisa Hill from the Mummy's Boy podcast, and the episode is out now. Little spoiler, Arthur is also a twin, so we had plenty to chat about.

And I revealed a little secret about myself that I haven't even shared with the Secret Mum Club. So buckle in for the little snippet of Mummy's boy. It's Mummy's boy. Oh, Arthur. Arthur's one of a twin. No, you're not. I thought she was going to say one of a kind. I'm a twin too.

Are you? Oh, my God, this is giving twin energy. Sister or brother? I'm the brother. Obviously. Sister, sister. Sister. I was a little bit unsure.

You can't just assume nowadays, can you? You don't want to be done for that. Do you ever get the question that literally everyone gets makes my balls turn when somebody goes are you identical oh my god yeah he's got a dick I can't

I can't be identical to him he literally has a penis obviously I'm not the male he is although I grow a bit a bit than him though oh definitely not really

I've solid that is you have to do a bit of plucking yeah I do out the chin but yeah I'm twinnies too wow fancy that have you ever like what we always used to try and say the same word same time solid that is. You have to do a bit of plucking. Yeah, I do. Out the chin. But yeah, I'm twinnies too. Wow. Fancy that. Fancy that. Have you ever, like, we always used to try and say

the same word at the same time. Have you ever done that? Have you ever managed to do it? Twin telepathy. Oh, I thought it was intuition. Oh. You're probably right. Twin tuition. Is that what you just said? Twin tuition. That's cool. Twin tuition. I'll say it. Twin tuition. We've had some weird

twinny stuff though, me and my brother. Have you? Yeah. Oh, I don't think they have. Haven't they? Like what tuition. Twin tuition. We've had some weird twinny stuff, though, me and my brother. Have you? Yeah. Oh, I don't think they have. Haven't they? Go on, then. Like my brother chopped his finger off. What are you going to say?

Dropped his dick off to be identical. Yes, that's what he did. It wasn't, not on this occasion. No. He chopped his finger off in our door at home. And I was up the shops with my sister. No, and you felt it. No, you didn't.

I did feel it. No. And my finger is now longer and bent because the top of his finger grew back and mine was purple the whole time that he had chopped his off. That's weird. No way.

I said to my mum, because we didn't have mobile phones then, I was up the shops with my sister and I said to my sister, as soon as my brother happened, it happened, I said to my sister, something really bad's happened.

We need to go home. And my sister was like, stop being silly. And I could feel myself getting really, really anxious and really stressed. Went home and my mum was like, don't go in there! There's blood everywhere! And my brother's finger was like, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh. And there was blood in there.

And then I walked in and I was like, he's lost his finger! And my mum was like, shut the fuck up! It was a wild situation. And I knew the whole time. And then also another time when we were older and we started driving, my brother had a crash and I was trying to phone him because I felt like something was really bad. So I phoned him and he wouldn't answer the phone.

And I phoned my mum and I was like, something really bad has happened to Richie. Like, I need you to, I need you to find out. My mum's like, I can't get a hold of him. Phoned my dad because he's always worked with my dad. Phoned my dad. My dad was like, I don't want you to panic, but Richie has been in an accident.

He's in an ambulance and everything's okay. But yeah, we've had some occasions where we've had i think that's really cool we've not had anything like that we've managed to say apple at the same time once yeah you do that's we haven't had none of that though no but that's yeah i think that's really cool you know what i've said before that i think you like swapped me I don't think she's my twin yes do you look similar no not at all no no and like we're very different are you yeah yeah yes me and Richie are very different though yeah but now you think I've never she looks like incredibly like your dad and you look incredibly like me but I mean well I don't know I know you both came out of me. I was there. Sunroof or...

I'm not denying that. Sunroof or front door? Sunroof. Oh, nice. My mum was sunroof. Was she? Yeah. Yeah, I think it was.

We were whoppers, though. Were you big? I was tiny. I was the size of a pencil. Four pound nine. Stop. Look at you now. Who would have thought it?

Who would have thought it? We were 7'12", 7'11". Oh, her, Mrs. And a month early. 7'12". Yeah. Fucking hell., Mrs. And a month early. 7'12"? Yeah. Fucking hell. How did that happen?

Absolutely ginormous. That must have taken ages. You just have the twins. Do you have any more than the... Do you have any other siblings? No, that was nothing. First time round and you've got twins. Yeah, exactly.

Wow, that's lucky, that. Well, hmm. You don't think? Well, it was bloody terrifying. Bloody hard work, yeah. Did you boobie them as well? I always find that really phenomenal. I did. It was quite funny. Twinny boobie mums. It was quite... Did you ever boobie them? I, it was bloody terrifying. Bloody hard work, yeah. Did you boobie them as well? I always find that really phenomenal. I did.

It was quite funny. 20 boobie mums. Did you ever boobie them? I remember it well. Yeah, one on each. And just, I was Daisy the cow. In fact, I have got pictures of me with both of them and a flower in between my teeth.

Because I was like, this is all I do. I just sit here pumping out stuff. Pumping out milk. It was just ridiculous. Pumping out milk. And then just ridiculous. Pumping out milk. And then you did all that thing. Was it cabbages in your bra? Yeah, to get that.

Oh, dear. Oh, Lord. God, the swollen boobs. Fucking hurt. Oh, dear. Fuck, when you need them to dry up. Cabbages in your bra. Yeah, you've got to put frozen leaves in the freezer.

Well, put cabbage leaves in the freezer. Because they hurt so much. They literally go so massive. I look like I'd had a boob job. Really? And you've got to not touch them. You can't rub on anything, touch them, lie on them, because the moment that milk comes out, you're back to square one.

Some milk shoots across the room, doesn't it? Did you ever have the shooting boobs? No, I never had that. Oh, when the milk just squirts out. We've had so many Katy Perrys on ours that milk's just shot out of their boobs. Oh, God, I remember that. I thought that was really distasteful. What are you laughing at?

I think it's phenomenal. If mine could do it, I'd be like yeah, came in like... I suppose you would. No, it doesn't matter. Was it wasted? No, no, no. I tried to compare that experience to the male one

of blue balls. Oh, yeah, blue balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's that? I'm not explaining that. Oh. Of blue balls. Oh, yeah. That's not the same, really. Blue balls? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's that? I'm not explaining that. Your son can explain that. He can do that.

When do your balls go blue? Well, in cold water. They don't go blue. It's a terminology. I don't think they're necessarily blue. When you've maybe... Backed up a little bit, you know? You've not backed up.

When you've been doing... What's going on? If you've been, let's say, like a little bit horny for a while with a woman. Horny. Horny, yeah. Right. But nothing, you know, you're doing some sexual stuff maybe. Okay, but it hasn't come out yet.

Yeah. And then you do that for too long. And yeah, nothing comes, not nothing, how do I say? You're having a dry spell, Arthur? No, no, no. But I'm saying you would be having. When you've done it too much. Let's say

you know just say it Arthur no no I'm just trying to think of an example when your semen is not coming out no but that's not

the blue balls isn't the reason the semen's not coming out right what is the reason what is the reason probably the girl so let's say

she's got something wrong with her foo foo no no no what the fuck she's got blue what she's going on so let's say let's say let's not put me as the example let's say there's a there's a there's a nice girl like just making out for ages on the sofa and there's fondling going on fondling and it goes on for let's say half an hour 45 minutes whatever okay it's not really going anywhere and then the girl goes oh i've really going anywhere. And then the girl goes, oh, I've got to leave.

Oh. And then you're left. And then you're left and you're like, fuck. God damn it. Your balls are going to explode. My balls are going to explode. Right. And they can be very, very sore.

Really? I had it one time. Did you? I had to walk home from a New Year's Eve party. With blue balls? With blue balls. And the pain was so bad I had to take my trousers off. Stop it. I walked through the

village with my pants down. Arthur, you will get arrested. It was like 3am. I had to undo the bell and everything. At home? At our house? No, obviously at... No, I mean at our house. So you came home and just blew balls? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it can be painful. Well, I've never heard Oh. Yeah, it can be painful. Well, I've never heard of that before, you see. If you've had blue balls, do drop in a DM. Yeah. So what I'm trying to say is that I know you're... Feeling. Feeling with the... Yes.

What is it? Massive tits. No, it's not massive tits it's not mama majested no oh my god well i don't know what it is but it is mama something because everything to do with boobs is that anyway yeah before we take a break let's play a classic game of two lies and the truth i'm going to tell you three things and you have to guess which is the truth. I'll give you the answer in part two. Excellent work. Okay.

And I presume all these ones this week are about Safina. They are, of course, about Safina. Oh. Are we ready? Which of the following statements about Safina is true? A. Safina used to hold the Guinness World Record for eating the most peas in a minute. Oh!

Safina used to be a trampoline champion. Or C. Safina once made herself violently ill after pregnancy craving led her to eating 11 raw onions. Oh, bloody hell. Bloody hell. The farts must have been bad then. Raw onions. I do love a raw onion. I cannot cook a meal with an onion in it

without eating quite a bit of it. I hate raw onions. I love raw onions. Especially with cheese in a sandwich. With cheese. Oh. Absolutely divine. Oh, yeah.

Bit of salad cream in there. Oh, I love salad cream. Why does no household have it anymore? I do. It's salad cream in there. I love salad cream. Why does no household have it anymore? I do. It's a staple in ours. I love salad cream. Oh, I love salad cream. Crisp and salad cream sandwiches.

With cheese. I've never had it with cheese, but I will have to. Bloody hell. I was thinking, what the hell are these two women on? Oh, gosh. We're living. I'll let you two chat about that really exciting stuff in the break.

You're so rude. Join us in part two where we'll find out the answer. Thank you. And for Mum, can we talk? Hurrah! Oh, I can't wait. Hurrah! Smashing.

Smashing. It's Mummy's Boy. I absolutely love that. It was so much fun chatting with Arthur and Lisa. You can listen to the whole episode wherever you stream your podcast. Just search for Mummy's Boy. And we'll be back first thing on Tuesday in the Secret Mum Club.