Secret Mum Club with Sophiena - The TV Critics

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Soph and Emma are adding a new skill to their repertoire… TV reviewing! While chatting about what they’re watching, Soph opens up about her latest health journey and a potential diagnosis. Plus, we hear from a listener juggling all the parenting duties at home, and one mum shares her little one’s top potty-training tips. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, this is The Secret Mum Club. I'm Safina. And I'm Emma. And this podcast is a safe space for mums everywhere. A safe space to share our secrets. Because we all have secrets, don't we? We do. And as we know, sharing is caring. You don't even have to tell us who you are. You can keep that to yourself. You can be anonymous. And all those secrets can be serious or silly. All secrets are welcome in their secret mum club. But I was so close. I think it's the pressure. That probably sounded very weird and intense. We were trying to do it without looking at the script. Yeah. Well, we're drinking a cup of tea today. Yeah, I'm, I get accused of being really slurpy when it comes to tea.

Do you? So sorry if I try and drink this. Too hot? No, I just deep throated the tea. I nearly check. Are you slurpy? They say that I'm a really loud, loud swallop. Rate our slurp.

They say. They say? Who's they? I'm known for it. I'm famous for it. I'm known to everyone in the village for my slurping. Right, you slap, I'll slap. Okay, ready.

You go first. Ray, Emma Slap. Oh, that was a little slappy. More gulpy, I would... I'm very gulpy. I just found the table. Very gulpy. Right, ready?

You're really quiet. Am I? Your stealth. Oh, yeah. I could really go... And I would do a loud... How'd you... I don't know.

How did you take it back like that? A big gull. wallet. Big throat. Just love to swallow. Just take that deep in your throat. I keep getting told off at my other work, because obviously that's also a microphone on the radio. They'll be trying to do something and they're like, Emma, can you, like take a sip of water and it'd be like, whoa. And like, excuse me, that's very off. It's really in the back. It's very off putting. It's really deep in my throat there. Yeah, deep throat. A deep throat. My sister's also got like that thing, which is like a phobia of sounds, that annoying sounds. I actually have a secret, secret passion for people eating. You like it?

I do, some of them are a little bit extreme and I'm a little bit like, oh, that's maybe a bit too far from me. I do love me a bit of a muck bang. Well, it's a whole industry on the internet, isn't it? Yeah. The old muck bang. Yeah. I also have no shame in eating and talking.

In public? No, like even on the internet, I'll just eat and talk. Yeah, some people really don't like that. But some people really don't like it. God, it really rubs people up the wrong way, doesn't it? Yeah, but then I guess if it is a phobia. Like, do you know what I think? I have a massive phobia in, um, again, I'm sorry, I've just got some gay.

I don't like loads of little holes. Oh, what's that called? That's a thing. Try something of phobia. I literally, even thinking about it now, makes me feel horrid. Yeah, because I showed you something recently. Oh, God. And you were having palpitations.

I've never been diagnosed for it, but I literally have to scroll past. Tripoophobia. Oh, I can't do it. Even thinking about it makes me feel physically. That's a common one. Is it? Like holes in like a sponge, would that bother you? Yeah, like really zipophobophobias.

doomed in. Yeah. Or like a coral. Coral. Yeah. Under the sea. Oh my gosh. Not for you.

It makes my skin. What about a shower head? No. I think that's reverted to holes. It's in holes for me, not out holes. So like belly buttons. No. No.

No. And I haven't liked belly buttons for years. Like Chris will tell you when we first got together, he's like trying to ram my finger. It's better. Oh, no. No. It literally makes my skin crawl.

So if that's how I feel about that and that's people's same phobia is people eating. Eating. You can imagine. A hundred percent. I'm so there. Yeah. Yeah. So there. But I actually really do enjoy watching people eat. Do you? Yeah. Or people's taste testes when they're taste testing like crumbled cookie of the week. Yeah. I just want to eat it myself. No. I get satisfaction out of people eating food and then I feel like I don't have to eat

it. Although there is a new release on the Burger King menu. Have you seen it? No. Truffle-loaded fries. And a wagoo burger. No, that's fancy. Really fancy. How much is it? I don't know, but there's a bird kicking on Waterloo, isn't there, and I'm wondering if I should just get that on the way home. Get that right down the gullar. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Truffle's an intense flavour, isn't it? Truffle is absolutely

wonderful. I like it on the right thing. They had it at Borough Market on fries. Oh, shit you know, I think one pack of fries cost me about 80 pounds. Oh, yeah. And I was like, you know when you stood there and you're like, oh, yeah. Can we take the truffle off? You could do your life savings at Barrow Market. You really could. That's actually mind blowing. Yeah.

It's a little bit scary. But yeah. I went out for a fancy lunch with my sister yesterday. She had a truffle martini. And it was actually too much. What's it? The truffle flavour. I think on chips on pasta, fine.

In your vodka, martini. Yeah. What, like a cocktail. Like a cocktail. It was like a clear, clear liquid like a martini. Served in a martini glass, but really trufferly. And it was like drinking truffle oil, like too rich. I think I could do that.

Do you really get a board? Yeah. Do you really, are your truffle whore? Yeah. Right truffle whore. Yeah. I love it. There's a place

for truffle burger in where everything is truffle. Have you been? Also, in Tesco they do a little tub of tiny bits of

I was going to say it's pastrami or something and it's their truffle little slices of truffle meat. Oh. It's an acquired taste I think

is it absolutely wonderful. Get it all in and around my face in my mouth on my nipples I'll take the whole lot drenched me in it. I love truffles

so much. I even think about it now I'm actually salivating salivating yeah salivating through my retainers I can't stop spitting

with these things at the moment Zofia just asked me how I'm getting on with them is wild this time now it must be hard getting used to having them back yeah yeah

how's your week been do you know what right I wish I could sit here and tell you that I've had a tremendous week filled with lots of activities let me tell you was a tremendous week

but I'm hootline and sinker on the summer I term pretty it's consumed my whole life on Netflix yeah is it Netflix No, it's Prime video. It's on Prime. I'm...

I'm... It was taking us a whole day to watch one episode and I had to give up with Chrissy. I had to let him go because he was pissing me off. We'd get into bed, 10 minutes and it'd be fast asleep. So I had to get on and watch it without him. And then, do you know what? He had a go at me.

It was fuming that I'd done the episode. Yeah. Don't fall a seat then, Chris. Yes. What did you expect? What's wrong with you, man? Get a coffee. Stay alert.

Stay alert. Stay, alive, alert, awake, enthusiastic. We used to sing that summer camp. It's a very annoying song. It's a very summer camp song, isn't it? I thought there was one about the roads. Oh, about waking up in the morning. Alive, alert, awake, enthusiastic.

I don't remember that. I'm on Christmas. Maybe I didn't go to summer camp. When I did Camp America. Oh, stunning. Yeah. So no, it's grabbed me by the balls and I need to get on it. I'm hook line in sinker.

I need to get on it. Team Conrad, Team Jeremiah. It's all over my social media. There's that and the Water Boys that. He's getting advertised to me. So the Water Boys, everyone is saying is like a cheaper version of the Summer I Turn Pretty. Season 1 of the Water Boys was absolutely phenomenal. Season 2, I'm really struggling to get to grips with it.

But the Summer I Turn Pretty was three seasons deep. And I was on the train this morning, on the training in the tube. And I kept seeing clips of an episode that I haven't watched. I haven't watched it. And I was Team Conrad, Team Jeremiah, but I think I'm back on Team Conrad. I saw some of this on your Instagram story. It was very detailed breakdown of what was going on. You've thrown all these names out there.

I'm so sorry. And I was like, what the fuck is she talking about? And if you are wanting to watch it or haven't watched it or thinking about watching it, don't ever watch my Instagram stories because I'll spoil it all. I keep no secrets in that. But yeah, it's consumed my whole week. And do you know what? I'm actually really sad that I went through it so quick.

I hate you when that happens when you finish something and you're like, oh, I like, you mourn the loss of it because you're like, what am I going to watch now? Can we just have a season four from belly? Nothing else is going to compare. I need to know what belly is going to do in Paris. Yeah. Like, is she going to do great? Is she going to fall in love with Paris?

Is someone going to meet her in Paris? Is this basically Emily in Paris? No. Don't get the too confused. Two very different shows. Also, Slow Horses is back. Do you remember I told you to watch Slow Horses? Weirdly.

My sister said to me yesterday. Listen, this is not a podcast. Sorry, it's the TV podcast. For reviews of movies. But this is my life. My sister said watch Slow Horses, but I have four seasons deep now, isn't it? Yeah. Too much.

It's not. Too much to catch up on. Mind blowing. It's back. We've got seven days to go. I start. started seeing the snippets of it because Stefan's dad was watching it. And you know that's the worst because people are like, oh my God, this is amazing, it's amazing. It's so brilliant. And you

see little clips of it that make absolutely no sense out of context. So I've got a block on it in my mind now because what I've seen vicariously through Stefan's dad looked really boring. You're boring. Yeah, I can't follow it. It's quite dark. It's like quite heavy about the cold war, isn't it? It's about spies and like war. Also, after bedtime, my brain can't focus on anything too hard. So I like to watch quite lighthearted things. Funny you should say that. I actually had a nightmare last night. I watched the documentary about Anne Ming who talks about

and does the documentary of her daughter Julie Hodg, Hog sorry Hogg, who got unfortunately taken from us in 1989 and I watched that last night. It was very, very powerful. It's a true story. It's wonderful. Anne is just such an

incredible, incredible woman and Sheridan Smith actually played her role. So you can see it from Sheridan Smith reacting it and also there is the real Anne Ming who does recreate a documentary and she talks about it. Right. But I actually went to sleep after watching it and I had a nightmare and then I had to put on Miss Rachel at quarter to midnight. For you? For me? For you. Try and calm myself down. I love the way you're always like, Renly loves Miss Rachel. Yeah. Get myself back in the zone.

It's really, you know, ready for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you just need something a little bit lighthearted, don't you? It's not, that's why I've been watching Love is blind because it's just like mindless mind-nowing. But if I don't watch something that really grips me and gets the endorphins going you know the...

Yeah, I can't I go a little bit do-lulu. I'm watching Amanda Knox at the moment. It's making me really stressed. I don't know what it's about this Amanda Knox.

She got wrongly convicted of her... Sorry, we'll move on for TV stuff in a minute, but she got wrongly convicted of her flatmates murder. Real story? Yeah, true story.

When they were studying abroad in Italy in 2007, but there's been loads of documentaries and stuff made about it, but this is a drama on Disney. And the actor that plays Amanda Knox is amazing. Grace Van Pattern, I think her name is.

So yes, I'm loving that at the moment. But I go to bed feeling really, really stressed. Because it's so... I know the outcome. I know what happens. But I'm still like, every episode, I'm like, oh! I don't know the outcome, so don't tell me because that's a good one to watch. Yeah, yeah.

You'd like it. What's it called? The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox. Oh, wow. And that's on Disney. But you said there's loads of ones all over. Is there one on Netflix? Oh, yeah, there's a documentary on Netflix as well.

Yeah, and she's done loads of podcasts and stuff at the moment. I feel I've watched it, but instead of book club, we are now movie club. Yeah. Or document club. We're not book club. I don't get to read any books. No, that's what I mean. I've had, I took two books on my holiday.

I've got the attention span of a nat. I read nothing. You should have watched the summer I turn pretty. Yeah, I'll get on to that next. Do you watch Amanda Knox? Okay, we'll do a trading. But other than that, that's basically consumed my whole week. Yeah, have you still got kids?

Are they all right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, still got all three of them. Yeah, they're doing absolutely. They're doing absolutely such. They're like, Mom, I need dinner. You're like, shh, I'm just watching another episode in the summer I turn to me.

I'm sick. I can't go out. I can't help you. I can't help you. But no, they're doing great. School's great. Yeah. We're back into the routine of everyday life.

We're back at school after clubs. Back in the swing of life. Yeah. Ready very much for the October holidays. Counting down. Gatting down the days. Counting down the days. I'm very excited for Christmas.

Oh, yeah. We do have something very special before Christmas, though. and I feel like I need to get my plan on. Someone said to me the other day, it's a hundred days, is it? Does that sound about right? A hundred days, yeah. It was a hundred days till Christmas the other day. That's divine, isn't it?

But it is Roxanne's 40th birthday in November. Is it? She's turning the big four. Oh. So I need to get my plan in. What are you going to do? Well, can't. She listens to this.

Sorry, Roxanne. We're actually going, temping. Bowling. I heard you love it. Yeah. No, so I'm trying to arrange something super special for her. Oh, that'll be nice. Yeah.

My brother's currently in Brazil. Wow. I'm vicariously living through his Instagram post. Yeah. He's feeding monkeys bananas every day. It looks dreamy. And they're sleeping in a tree house. Wow.

And the tree house is so insanely high. I keep saying to him, please send me loads so that I don't actually have to go. Yeah. And experience it for myself. Yeah, well, you can't. And then you say the picture of the statue. Yeah. Where's that?

Rio de Janeiro. Yeah. So, yes, it's been a great week. In all honesty, it's actually been 10-10 highly recommend. Good. But series, the summer I turn pretty, loki parenting. Yeah.

Still just do it a bit on the side. Party planning and living through my twin brother. So, yeah. How's yours been? It's been adventurous. Yeah, it actually has been really adventurous. We normally don't do anything, but we're trying to do loads of London-y things

before we leave London. Oh, are you actually, you never told me this? Yeah, so it's not like, it wasn't like an official thing. But I was like, well, the Fridays I have off with Joseph Insadium, normally like, we'll go to a soft play or whatever. We do like the same. The what? The Easter egg hunt around London.

We really enjoyed that. Oh, at Easter though. Yeah, but it's not the right time. No, that's what I mean you should have done. I didn't have done it. Oh, let me just call April me. Yeah, there's an Easter egg happening. If you could just rewind seven months or just hang on to Easter.

I did actually do an Easter account at RHS Wisley because as you know, me and Stefan are members of the Royal Horticultural Society now. I told you this before and you were like, the Royal Hoare. The Royal Hoare of Who? Cultural Society of Hors. I must have just forgot that information. I didn't retain it. So we did do that at the time. But I'm trying to do like all the museums and stuff.

Because obviously there's like amazing museums on our doorstep in London, which are free. Free. Obviously always give a donation to keep them going. But yeah, there's loads I want to do before we leave because I think we'll leave and then be like, why didn't we go to like. We lived there all this time. Yeah. The science museum when it was like down the road. Have you seen Big Ben?

Seen Big Ben. Yeah. I'll go past that. London Eye. The children were born opposite Big Ben. So that was the first thing they actually ever saw in their lives was Big Ben and the House was a Parliament because they were born in the hospital opposite. That's pretty magnificent.

Have you done the Shrek Adventure? No. That's a good one. So we did Natural History Museum last Friday, which was amazing. Two very different London is here. I think, yeah. I think your things I could probably do anywhere. But the buildings.

Natural History Museum ain't moving. I've been there. I have been there. Yes, we did that last Friday. Shrek Adventure's not moving to Cardi. It might go on tour like showing. in the West End. It's a national treasure

when they go on a nationwide tour. We've done the London Aquarium. We've done the London Eye. Yeah, we've done loads of them but I just wanted to do a bit. I wanted to experience a bit more. Done the Uber boat. I really want to do that.

I've really want to do that. Done the Uber boat. You can go from the tape modern to the tape Britain galleries, which is fun. But I haven't done most of it with Sadie. We did quite a lot with Joseph when he was little. And then obviously like the added logistics

of having another child is just like quite complicated. I think it's really easy to just stay in our bubble and be like, we'll just like stay local and go to the park again and go to the soft play which is what we do every weekend so last weekend

I think we bit off a little bit more than we could chew but we went to the museum on the Friday which was lovely really good obviously everywhere in London

is a massive fucking pain in the ass and a schlep it's like a tube a bus The tubes were down where they back up at the weekend

but like everything's like difficult everything takes an hour the logistics are just like mental but anyway got to the museum they loved it

I was like it's probably more for Joseph than Sadie Sadie was having the time of her life like I mean it's a bit scary because they've got stuffed animals. A lot of it is stuffed animals.

And Joseph was like, are they real? And we were like, no, they're puppets. But he had loads of nightmares that night. Like taxidermist? Is it a taxidermist? I think he was like a bit haunted by the animals and the skeletons and stuff. Like they've got a big skeleton of a blue whale, which is amazing. But he was kind of looking away from it.

He was a bit like, is that really how big it is? Like he was a little bit scared. But Sadie, she was white. People were laughing at her in there because she was like banging on the lion's cage and being like, rah! Oh, she really embarked on the experience. Yeah, she really embraced it. And then on the Saturday, we went to watch a rugby match because Joseph's been saying for ages,

I want to go and watch the rugby. Did you go to Twicken him? No, we went to London Welsh, which is like a small, like, community, like rugby club in Richmond. Again, absolutely schlep to get there. Like, it was so long. And then this is just typical Joseph. He's being going, like, I really want to watch the rugby because he knows that Stefan's really into it. And he wants to be like him.

And Stefan's indoctrinating him being like, you'll support Wales. And he's got like a Wales jumper and stuff. So we went to watch London Welsh play. when we got there he hated it fucking hated it oh god he turned around in his buggy

and would not face the pitch like literally faced away from the pitch and was like and I was like wow I'm really glad I made all this effort to get here today

so stressful getting everyone out the house there was like rail replacement buses like it was so long but I think if you get to stuff like and the kids love it you're like oh it's worth it

because you get like joy out of seeing them enjoy it again Sadie absolutely living her best life like marching up and down making everyone laugh Joseph couldn't be less interested. Oh, bless his little hard.

He just wasn't up for it. It's hard. It's an overwhelming experience like so many people. Yeah. It's so loud, isn't it? Yeah. Everyone's screaming. There's whistles. There's lights.

It's a lot. Yeah. It is a lot. And he thought he was going to love it but just wasn't up for it. I think he was tired, but he just wasn't up for it when he was there. And I think it's really easy to get really frustrated with them because you're like, you've wanted to do this for ages and we've brought you here and now you're not enjoying yourself. He's still so little.

Yeah. He just was. was a tricky customer that day. I think he's like accumulatively, gets really tired through the week because he doesn't nap during the day anymore. But actually I think he probably does need a little something to just keep him going.

So he's like... Colby did it. When he went to see his first scenes game, it was a lot. Yeah. We had to get him the little... Oh, like it defenders. Yeah, the sound cancelling just so that he could enjoy it, but he found it a lot.

So I think when Chris took him down there, I think he and he stayed half an hour. That's the thing. We left after half an hour. Yeah. We got brought in a massive rainstorm and we were like, let's chalk this up as a fail and go home. And he's always like...

You can't beat yourself up. You tried. We tried. And I'm glad we tried because it's something that we've been wanting to do for ages. But I said to Stefan, like, maybe let's not do this one again. Try again when he's a little bit bigger. But that's it. We'll leave in London now.

Won't be back there again. So yeah, but it's all ticking along. It's all moving along as it should be. Are you just starting packing? No. Do we need to? It's going to take a long time. You could pack and just store it.

You could pack it. Like when I was doing, packing up the. bedrooms, I would pack them and then store the boxes in the side of the room. I started packing up the kitchen bits. It's also a really great time for you to have a sort out before you get going. A massive clear out. We need one. Yeah.

Get yourself a skip. Yeah. Get that and then just model on through. Yeah. And get stuff out. Pack up the stuff that you're taking. Yeah. It is wonderful when you get a good skip run.

Yeah. We really need to do the loft. I've got to go through it. There's all like the newborn baby clothes and everything are up there. I know. I's going to break my heart going through them all. But yeah, we've got so much to do. It's one of those that, like, seems so big.

I can't even face it at the moment, you know. But we do need to crack on. We've done the shed. Stefan's done the shed. That will make you feel a little bit more organised when you start getting into a good rhythm of packing. Yeah. But then you live out of boxes.

I know. Because for ages you were like, I can't find anything. I couldn't find nothing. I still can't. I can't find my headphones or Colby's Nintendo Switch. No. He said to me the other day, you did pack it, didn't you? You know, when you're like, yeah.

It's here. Somewhere. Somewhere. But I thought I'd unpacked all the loft. But I said to Chris, have we got more boxes up there. And he's like, yeah, I need a couple, though. Oh, God. But the house was empty.

There was nothing in there. So I don't know where it's gone, nor do I know where my headphones are. Could have been lost in transit. Could have been, I was the transit. We were transit. Oh, yeah, you didn't have movers, did you? Oh, it's got to be there somewhere. It's got to be somewhere.

But we want to, because obviously when it goes autuminal, we have the switch on the home telly downstairs to pay like Super Mario in the evenings and stuff like that. And obviously they've got their little buddy neighbors next door now. I just think it will be wonderful and like when their cousins are over just now that the weather is taking the smidging of a turn. Not that we want to talk about it, but it's taking a smidgen of a turn.

Well, if anyone's seen a loose switch in Southampton, let you go now. Yeah. So Emma and I really want to hear from you. Yeah, we want you to join us in the Secret Mum Club. You're all welcome. You can share your secrets with us, even your movie reviews.

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Watch and listen to. the new episodes every Friday. It's time for the correspondence corner. Took that deep in my throat. You did the tea. You need to stop saying deep throat. Deep throat. So, Emma.

Let's hear it. All right, this one says, Hello both. I've just been listening to the nursery nightmare episode where the nursery mixed up the dummies. I wanted to share a story that happened with my girls. I've got identical twin girls, Poppy and Lily. And when they were two, Lily was on antibiotics for a chest infection.

So I labelled her medicine and handed it to one of the key workers. When I went to pick them up, I had to do a triple take because there was Poppy being given Lily's antibiotics. That's so hard with identical twins, though. You've got put badge on them. You'd have to label the babies, wouldn't you? You would have to, yeah. It even took me a while to grasp which one I was holding because it turns out the girls had been calling themselves each other's names all day. Oh no. They played you.

Yeah, the nursery was apologetic, but I didn't blame them at all, especially when it turned out the girls were deliberately switching things up on them. Loving the podcast, it's getting me through my half-marathon training and parenting four-year-old twins from Ang Harrod. Half-marathon training, and you've got four-year-old twins. What a superwoman. You're making us look bad. I'm trying.

I'm watching episodes. Yeah. Catch it up on series. We're actually binging a lot of stuff, which is hard work, okay? But you would have to go with a clip. I think you'd have to have something. Different, like a distinguishing feature. Yes.

Get like a hair clip with poppy on. But how cute of them, though, that they swapped. And also, they were... For Poppy, who was actually, was it Poppy that was poorly? Lily was on the antibiotic. Lily needed the antipartic, but Poppy was taking them. Poppy was having a wild day. Can you imagine how great she felt.

That extra, that extra buzz. Poor Lily. Poor Lily was only doing it to herself, bless her heart. She needed the anti-parties. Lily's like really struggling and Poppy's like, whey, I feel great. They were only two and they managed to do that. That's iconic, isn't it?

Sneaky. You got your handful. I wonder what they're up to now they're four. Handful. Handful. Sorry. Gosh. Love that.

Wow. Thank you, Angharic. And congratulations with your half marathon running. Yeah, well. Good luck. Good luck, yes, good luck. But well done, that's huge. That's massive, yeah.

Just in itself, the training alone is huge. Not to actually even, well, to do the race is obviously massive. But even training for it is massive. Yeah, respect. Yes. People that train for, like, races. and stuff when they've got kids. I'm just like, having done it without kids,

I'm like, how do they do it? I take my hat off to you. There's no time. Where are you getting the time? Yeah. I don't know where we're getting it from. Who, Molly May said, we've all got the same amount of hours in the day as Beyonce.

Did she? Did she famously say that? Everyone's got the same amount of hours in the day as Beyonce. So, you know, get your marathon training inside. It will fear we're living a very different life to Beyonce. God bless her heart. I don't think it's the same 24 hours. I mean, we all have 24 hours.

Some slightly extra help. Nannies and PAs. I've got Chrissy blesses up, but he's drowning. He's drowning in the responsibilities. He's your Jay-Z. It's my chance. Blumen hell. But thank you so much.

We appreciate you dropping in your lovely story today. That was a good one. Yeah. That really warmed up the cockles, didn't it? It really got us going for the day. So you can get in touch with us on anything at all. It can be serious or silly, and you can be totally anonymous. Because between us,

We've had too much Botox and can't raise our eyebrows anymore. And you've probably had that all before. And remember, we're all in this together. And we know that we are. We're all stars and we see that. Right. We're going to be discussing my secret of the week this week. Although I have touched on it on my Instagram stories this morning.

I'm taking it a little bit lighthearted because obviously I don't know anything right now. But I went to the doctors because a shock to you that I'm, I'm actually losing my hair pretty bad. You were so sweet this morning to come in and say how wonderful my hair. It does. It looks really thick and long. But it's actually very, very thin to what it was before. I think my concern is when I'm showering and how much is coming out.

When you wash it. Yeah, and it's not even like it's, and this is what I was trying to explain to the doctor. It's not actually a, so I have been to the doctor about it because we're 19 months now after having the babies. And I thought, you know, give it a year, let it settle down, let all my hormones go back to normal. Because obviously, as we know, after having a baby, It takes a really fucking long time for our bodies to go back to normal. But the amount of hair I'm losing is actually concerning. Like I'm filling a little sandwich, IKEA sandwich bag with how much hair.

And you know when you can pull it and you get a few strands? Yeah. I can get a good clump when you pull it out. When I pull my hair out. And I've started to get a little patch at the back. I think it's like on the crown of my head. I've got a little patch at the back. Yeah, at the back of my head.

Although, you know, I always think it is only hair. so I'm not too concerned about it. But there's other things. Like my periods are so crazy at the moment. Like, so I went to the doctor and bless him, I felt like it was very overwhelming. Like I've been going through the motions of not only having a baby, trying to get my body back to normal,

trying to feel myself again, which is a really fucking hard thing to do. And actually, we're still 19 months out of having a baby. And I definitely still don't even think I'm where I was before I had him, you know. And that would have been six years after having Dottie. Yeah. So I just went with concerns of my period because my periods, I either bleed insanely heavy.

Like I can fill a pad in 20 minutes. Wow. And I'm having that for two days. And then it completely stops. I could just turn the tap off and it completely stops. And then I can go two, three weeks without having a period. And then I bleed for like a whole month. So I obviously went with concerns to this.

I'm very, very fatigued. Like I'm not somebody that really ever struggles with being tired. And I'll just be sat on the sofa and just nod off. Yeah, just nod off. My appetite's a little bit crazy. My eating's all over the place. And so, yeah, I just thought, do you know what? I'm going to go to the doctor.

And actually, because I'm not really somebody that ever takes care of myself. That's not me. I don't want anyone to be like, oh. No, but you're not like, you don't normally go to the doctor. No, no, I kind of am just somebody that just moves on and keeps going. Unless I'm really, really poorly, you know, I NHS is stretched as it is. and I think if it's something that I can give myself time as long as I'm okay and myself

but just got to the point where I was just like do you know what I'm actually slightly concerned about my hair along with my periods and along with the fatigue and all of that my hair growth on my chin I mean I'm losing off of my head but let me tell you the beard is coming through it's coming in thick and strong the beard is lit so we went over so I went to the doctor and we went over some medical history

like my polycystic ovaries we went over that we went over obviously talking through the stress of moving house because that that obviously stress does impact all of those things and yeah just he was he was just he was so wonderful and so patient and he just went oh have you got any older sisters i said yeah and he said oh is she peri menopausal and you know in that moment you when you're like i i don't know how we got here i didn't i didn't think of that i didn't you know i've heard of it but you you you never just put well i never i didn't put two and two together they got this is what it might be so yeah i'm having

some blood test done which I was meant to go last Tuesday but we were here so I moved my appointment which is until the end of September I nearly forgot then end of September but yeah they want to test my hormones because he's he's got concerns that it may be perimenopause I mean it does sound like it all those things could be that because we did we dug into a little bit with our episodes last did remember we had the glucose monitors yeah yeah and we had the episode with well we spoke about quite a lot, but especially in the one with Liz Earl. Liz, yeah. And listening to what you're describing, like that is similar

to everything that she was saying in that episode. So it definitely... And I just again, like, I know we talked about it last year when we did the little monitor, which is something I'm looking at doing again. Oh, you're going to have it again? Yeah, I am going to do it again because I think it's was really helpful back then. But I think because it was so hard back then, all of

the symptoms that Liz was talking about in my head, I just dedicated them to us having babies. Just put them down to something else. Yeah, yeah. I did. I put them down. But now we're 19 months on. I'm just a bit like, well, the symptoms aren't changing. If anything, my symptoms are getting worse. My periods are getting way more irregular. And I'm not seeing a normal pattern. Obviously, hair loss, fatigue and everything else. It kind of comes with it. So I kind of put two and two together and just thought, maybe. Maybe it could be that. If it is that, how do you feel about it? Do you know what? And maybe I'm sat here and I can't talk about it because I don't know enough about it.

But obviously at the moment it's just hearsay, I need to have my blood test done to check my hormone levels. Because they want to also check my thyroid because also the symptoms are linked to thyroid. But I think thyroid also comes in play with perimenopause. So I think it's all linked. But I think because I don't know enough about it yet and I'm someone that tries not, because I am a jump the gunner, I'm trying very hard not to look at the situation and just self-diagnose myself to be like, oh, this is what's wrong with me. I am really trying to put it through the paces and let it be what it's going to be because I am awful for Googling. Yeah.

And I'm trying not to Google. But I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. I'm not, I'm kind of at peace with it. I think because I've had all my babies. Yeah. Because I have history of having a lot of cervical issues. I think I'm kind of at peace with that now, peace with my body, and I don't know, we just don't

know the next, the next steps, do we? Obviously, I got offered a hysterectomy at 25 and that's crazy. That's what I mean. Like, I've had so much since 23 years old of pre-servical cancer cells and going through all of that, having my eggs frozen, donating eggs, you know, having my sister as a surrogate, everything put in place right up to before meeting Chris, got told I would have to have a hysterectomy because of things that were happening with my body. And then obviously mechris defied all odds and had, we've had three children now. It's amazing, isn't it? Yeah.

So I feel like I've had such a wonderful gap of like growing babies and just allowing my body to do what it needs to do is kind of the first time in my life where I've gone back to my 23 year old self where I'm having to think about my body again to make sure I'm the healthiest I can possibly be. I'm trying to stay really level-headed about it. I know I touched on it on Instagram this morning and I did ask for any advice. Yeah, it would be good to hear from people who have been through something similar maybe. I would love to know that. Obviously, you know, I can't say that is what it is

and I'm only talking because it's something I don't feel like has ever really spoken about. It's not something you ever tune into your social media and see anybody. Obviously, there is people talking about it, but I feel like there's not enough or like the first stages or this bit where it's something. something that you're going through to potentially look.

But I'm intrigued to know as to what is going on with me. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what comes out of your blood tests. But definitely I think it's a sign that us women should all listen to our bodies. Yes. Be checking our bodies all the time. Yeah. Having our smears, checking everything. Yeah.

And making sure that we're all tickety boo. Yes. Because we all matter and we all deserve to look after ourselves. And I'm glad you had a doctor that listened to you. Thank you. A male doctor as well. He was very, very patient, very lovely and very helpful. Because sometimes I think after having a baby, whether it's been a month, a year, four years, however long after, it's kind of like you're not laughed at a little bit, but you're kind of not taken seriously because they go, well, you have only just had a baby.

And you're kind of like, yeah, I know that. But I know this isn't normal for me. I also have had two other babies. And I know the process. And I know the older you get. It's a lot harder for your body to go back. So I'm trying to give my body time. I'm trying to look after myself, listen to my body.

So I am trying to give myself time. But it's kind of like how much time? Yeah. Because you don't like, you know, living with those like crazy periods and stuff, you don't want that. And it's not even about the hair loss to me. It's more my irregular periods. Yeah. And I'm struggling.

Not that I'm struggling with my weight, but I am definitely not feeling comfortable for me personally in my body. Yeah. But I'm doing everything I can. I'm walking. I'm exercising. I'm eating healthy. I'm drinking plenty of walks. And it is frustrating when you're kind of like more things kind of changing and things like

that. So yeah, it's good to listen to our bodies and look after ourselves and not make any rash decisions. But yeah, I just thought I'd share that this week. That's an interesting one. And I think there'll be a lot of people that can relate to that. I hope there's a lot. Yeah, I hope there's people that can relate to it and not feel alone. But also if there's anybody that can share any advice. Yeah. Or if you know more, I'd love to hear it. Yeah. That would be really interesting. Yes. So that is. Do let us know. My secret not secret this week. It's my open topic for us to, for the gals, you know, for the gals to discuss. And we'll get into some of yours after this short break.

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We've got three secrets from you. We're going to be discussing this week. So Emma, let's have secret number one, please. Hi, ladies. Hello. Oh, single ladies. When you say ladies, that's all I think of every time. Hey, oh, hey ladies, hey fellas, you know You're doing good because the jellas, they hate you because you're going to get up. Hey, hey ladies.

Sorry, that's going. Are you ready? I apologize. I've got one big secret to share. The gender of my baby. Oh, what? Someone's going to share their gender with us. You're the first tonight.

I listened to the pod before and after my appointment and thought, what a great secret to share. Oh my, holy moly. This is absolutely huge. This is the ultimate secret. This is the ultimate. Okay. I'm 22 weeks. Okay.

With my third and final baby. I already have two boys, four and one. This one was a complete surprise. Oh my gosh. I don't even want to look at my screen. I'm not even looking. Yeah, don't look. Okay.

With that, I'm so happy to announce. Oh. That my baby girl will make her appearance in January. Two boys and a girl. And it's your last baby as well. Oh, she's going to be the littlest with two big brothers. Gosh, huge congratulations. She says I couldn't be more excited.

The universe clearly knew I needed more feminine energy in my house. Can't wait to share her with you all when the time comes, but until then, this will do. Thank you ladies for your openness about the everyday life of motherhood, Colleen from the USA. Oh, Colleen. I did have a really bad moment there where you know the song, Big Min Genergy. When she said Big Female Energy, I just was about to shout, Big Min Genie. I thought you were going to do Colleen, Colleen, Colleen, Colleen, I'm begging you. Please share your gender with us.

You did. And he did. Oh, baby girl. Congratulations. That is absolutely delightful news. I know people say, like, it doesn't matter and whatever and blah, blah, blah. And I was so like, I don't care what I have, but honestly. I'm pretty sure it's a thing, though.

I'm pretty sure it's the thing that people do get disappointed. Am I wrong for saying that? Do you get disappointed with the gender? I think more people do than would be willing to admit. Oh. Yeah. Because it's not really... Were you disappointed with either?

Not at all. No. No. But I think some people do have... Like, I know people who shan't be named. Who did have something in their mind they wanted. Okay. And then, obviously, when it happened, they like still love their baby.

But I'm in my head, I'm like, I know you wanted this. But obviously, you love your baby. You love your baby no matter what. But just on a surface level, it is nice to be... I like the fact now that I like... I'm like, okay, one boy, one girl, done. For now. For now, so she's saying.

Oh, how excited. No, I feel really lucky that I'm boy-girl boy. Yeah. Yeah, I feel really, really lucky. It's just nice to have a mix. Like, it is different. I do feel like it is different raising a girl to raising a boy. I definitely thought I was going to be a boy mom.

I thought under, even to the day Dotty was born, bless her heart, I thought she was, it was just going to be wrong. Was she a surprise? No, no, she wasn't a surprise. Well, yes and no, because we'd had Colby and then we lost the twins in between. which the twins weren't planned we'd gone six months and then we decided that we'd got into the idea we'd got a bigger car and we got into the idea of having another baby that we were trying for we were trying but not trying we were like if it happens it happens we were obviously

insanely lucky to even have Colby and then obviously when we fell pregnant I was like it's definitely going to be another boy it's going to we're going to because Chris is a massive boy family and I'm pretty sure doesn't the man determine the sex of the baby yeah with the sperm yeah so his side's all boys it's literally like one girl his side of the family he's got a brother um his cousins are boys you know it's strong boy yeah it is strong boy energy and then when they said it was little girl i was like no i had all our clothes and everything and i was still like we just need to keep cobby's clothes yeah this is definitely going to be a mistake and funny enough our friend at the time he our friend at the time yes

he is your friend still he was he was going he was having a he was going for a pregnancy at the at the time and had two boys. They told him what was a girl. It was a boy? Stop, so we've got three boys. They got three boys, yeah. How did they get it wrong now? I don't know, but I do secretly love it.

Can you imagine? Well, I think my sister, she's got two little boys, and if she has another one, I can just totally see her being like the only woman in the house, three boys. I did think I was going to be a boy mom, but yeah, parenting a girl is way different. It is different.

Massively different to parenting. boys. Also the clothes are just sick. The boys' clothes though, let me tell you, are sick. I wish they had them when Colby was. Yeah. But Colby was a trendy baby. I do quite like boy clothes because I basically dressed like a boy. So like I was like channeling me through Jojo. But like the girls' clothes are just so cute. It's the collars. It's the prince. It's the frills. The dittsie floral. The dizzy floral. The dungarees with a big, big collar. And it's so easy to just put them in a dress and whip up tights, isn't it? Like when you're doing knacket changes and stuff. Yeah. So easy.

Oh, I was in Next year yesterday. I could have spent an absolute fortune. Next is got me by the bollocks. Yeah. But this is wonderful news. Yes. I've never, I wasn't disappointed with any. No.

No. No. I mean, you're just happy to have your babies at the end of the day. But I do. But we get it. We do get it. We do get it. And I do, I love all the like gender speculation and people being like, what are you going to have?

Yeah, me too. Yeah. But thank you so much, Colleen. And good luck with the rest of your pregnancy. Hope baby girl grows beautifully. And keep us updated. Oh, I can't wait. She's here when she's here.

I know. We'll be counting down the day since January. Well, we can't whisk over Christmas though. No. No. We'll enjoy our Christmas first and then we'll be like... Imagine being that pregnant as well at Christmas. Oh, you could have a Christmas day.

We were pregnant, really pregnant at Christmas. Were we? No, we had still had three months ago. We had them in March. Okay, with Joseph, I was huge at Christmas because I had six weeks left. And I couldn't... Do you know what? I thought, oh, what a great Christmas.

No, I'm going to stuff my face and be a pig. I could barely fit anything in. I had an August baby, March baby and a September baby. So now I was. much for you. I wasn't big at Christmas. The first Christmas with Dotty, I found out I was pregnant with Dotty on New Year's Eve and then the clock struck midnight and we were painting the kitchen. I was like, something feels like I'm pregnant. So Chris whisked out, got us a pregnancy test from the petrol station and then we took it and then we sat holding the pregnancy test

right when it turned midnight. You're like, what a year this is going to be? I had drunk a glass of Prosecco and the guilt, the guilt that run through my veins. Also, as well with Colby, I I've been to a party the weekend that I conceived and we'd been to a wedding reception and I'd been drinking unbeknown to the fact that and the guilt is the guilt's astronomical. I think I cried for weeks when I found pregnant. I think I drank all the rosé in France when I was pregnant of Sading. It makes you feel so guilty, doesn't it? Yeah, but I said that when I went for my private scan and she went, don't worry.

They do, they do say that. It's like when you go see the gynecologist and you say, oh, sorry, I haven't shaved. Is that the gynecologist that goes to see your foo-foo? And you always say, oh, sorry about my foo-fus. I've seen worse. I've seen a million fooos today. But in who, we digress, Colleen. Okay.

Thank you so much. Right, should we have secret number two? Yeah, this says, hi, Sophie and Emma. I'm looking for some advice on maintaining a relationship after a baby. My boyfriend is great with our eight-month-old daughter, but I don't know if I'm arguing with him because we're tired and stressed or if he's genuinely becoming an issue. He doesn't help much around the house.

He says he's tired from working, and I do the baby day and night. He doesn't do the nights because of work. He also wants us to be intimate, which honestly isn't on my mind anymore. As much as he says it's fine, I know deep down he's frustrated. I encouraged him to go to therapy, but the only lesson he seems to have taken from it is to have more me time, so he'll sit in front of the TV after work or go to the pub to watch football. But when I get a rare night out, he complains about feeling overwhelmed. The longest he's had our daughter before, asking when I'll be home is about five hours.

I'm at my wits end. How can I handle this? I don't know if this will pass or if we're destined to fail. Thanks, Anonymous. Oh, this is a really tough one. But I would say this is so, so common. This is real, do you know what? Listening to it, you could have written it about anyone. Anyone.

Yeah. Anyone. It is pretty much every, every mom's story after having a baby. This is really, really normal. I was trying to think then how I got through. Because after Colby, obviously Colby was really, really poorly. Wouldn't go to Chris. Obviously, as well, Chris was quite nervous because Colby used to have episodes where he

he is esophagus got stuck but obviously there'd be times that it was a little bit scary with Colby and we spent a lot of time in hospital and I Colby wouldn't go to anybody not my mum my sister no one just me so for me I was tapped out tapped out there'd be days where Chris would come home from work and I'd still be in my pyjamas but it is down to the partner and that's that's the bit that I don't maybe want to say is I would say to Chris like I'm I'm so done and I would cry I would be upset I would be drained exhausted and it was him that stepped up to support me and help me yeah um so I me personally in my head listen to this I would say it isn't you it is him I think you're totally like right to feel all the ways that you do yeah absolutely

But I also think when you are the person that stays home with the baby, it's really easy to get really resentful about that position and be like, I'd say it to Stefan. I'd be like, mate, going to work is a breeze compared to staying at home with a baby. It's a holiday. And you're doing all the nights. So you're tired. You've got less bandwidth to do with all the other shit.

You're doing all day with a baby, which is such a misconception that being eyeing with a baby all day is easier. It is not. Again, I don't think it's a competition. I think both are. I think both are hard, but as the person that did stay at home, I would be resentful to Stefan and be like, and also if he wasn't getting up in the nights, it'd be like, I'm doing all day with this baby, I'm doing the nights as well. Like, I would say, it's not a competition, but I say my position is harder. But I would say being fair is also really hard to go out to work and have the maybe the pressure of earning all the money. Like, I'm not diminishing that, but it doesn't sound like he's being that supportive. Yeah, I would, from what I can gauge from it is that he isn't being. and supportive so we used to me and Chris because Chris used to do really long hours so he'd get up at 4.30 and he would come in at you know half seven, eight o'clock at night sometimes completely miss Colby all day like Colby wouldn't be awake when he left and he would be in bed by the time

Chris got home and I don't know whether there was times where I was able to have an hour before he got home on my own to unwind but there were there were small things that I did in the house like I would go for a bath and I would have a 20 minute bath but then two days later I'd have a 30 minute bath and then I would push that so it wasn't such a big dramatic on Chris also where Colby wasn't not very well and he was a little bit unwell I couldn't really leave the house so I was I used to feel like really trapped trapped in the house so I would just be like oh do you mind if I just go and have 20 minutes in the bedroom if you need me or he's getting upset you can come and see me but ours was very much a lot of communication because Chris also felt Chris felt really helpless in the fact that he one felt he couldn't bond with Colby two felt like he couldn't do anything

to help me yeah couldn't do anything to help me and three yeah just felt completely unable to do to do anything to support me but we talked about it a lot and I specifically would always ask about his day because he was tired

you know but I fear that the communication here I would say you know, you can talk and communicate, but I fear that he is, he's not getting that. Unless you haven't.

I don't know if she's opened up to him already, but like I think definitely communication is key. And if you don't feel like that's getting through, maybe couples therapy would help. Yeah, couples therapy. Talk it through with someone who's impartial. Yeah. Definitely, if you haven't yet,

definitely worth explaining to him this is how you feel. Yeah. And that you are at a point whether we either make or we break because it's sometimes it's actually harder to have your partner there because you are in a routine and you're doing everything, you're exhausted and you just want to sit on your own in silence and sometimes having that added pressure of trying to make your relationship work actually makes you really, really unwell and makes you actually struggle more.

So I think having the communication with him and making sure that you've put all your cards on the table. And then I guess it's kind of making a decision. a decision from there. I'm not saying, you know, time away from each other is going to help or not working through it is going to help. But you definitely have to find your feet because this one is tough. It's such a hard one. But like I say, I reckon it's just so, so, so common for people with then, especially a first baby. Like it's such a huge adjustment to your relationship. It's never going to be the same again, but you need to work out what your new relationship looks like now with this baby added in. Because there was a reason why you were together before. It just

makes me sad that he's taken from the therapy that he needs to have more me telling him a little bit more selfish yeah it's actually really it's actually really really sad so like going out to football and then when she's having time away from the baby he's like when are you coming home like that's not fair that is no that isn't fair and I think exactly how you're feeling is so justifiable and I think everything that you're saying you're not wrong for feeling the way you're feeling I can really feel the frustration yeah I can and I can really relate to it I am really sad I am really sad because this is this is This actually makes you angry, doesn't it?

Because it makes you angry. It's hard to show your point of view to somebody else that's not living your every day. That is really hard. But come on. Like, give the poor mumma a break. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I think we're probably more likely to be on that side of it anyway because this has been us. Like, we can relate to it. So it'd be interesting to get anyone else's perspective. But yeah, I can totally understand how you feel and why you're frustrated. And you're exactly right for feeling. the way you feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most definitely. But if anyone can share some advice that we can pass on, that would be absolutely wonderful. Yeah. And you're doing amazing, Mama. I hope you're,

I hope you're looking after yourself and thinking of you because you time also does matter. And I don't want you thinking that it doesn't. So you're doing everything that, everything possible, aren't you? Yeah. So, yeah. Thank you very much. Thanks, Anonymous. Sending you all of our love. Yeah. Right. Let's have the last secret. Okay, this says, hello ladies. We recently potty trained our two-year-old son back in July, and he took to it like a champ. Yes. He learned at daycare to point his penis down and always reminds himself to do so.

What, we went straight in with the penis. Narrating the whole process almost every time he goes, pants down, sit on the potty, keep it down, don't pee on the floor. Woo! A few weeks ago. That's like a check it, minute, chuck it fast. Yeah. A bit longer. A few weeks ago at 5 a.m.

We were both going potty, him on his little potty, me on the big one. I could feel his eyes on me, and suddenly he says, keep it down. I ignored it. He waited and then said again, Mommy, you need to keep it down. I ignored it again. Finally, he yelled, Mommy, keep your penis down. Of course I laughed and said, Mommy doesn't have a penis. His eyes went wide as dinner plates. He asked, what do you have mummy? I said, Mommy has a vagina. Then with the most sympathetic look, he cocked his head and said, oh no, you have a vagina? Quite the way to start in the morning. Now, every time we go to the bathroom, he asked, Mommy, you don't have a penis. No, still don't. Always good to keep Checking, Maddie from Indiana, USA. He's like, oh, poor you, you don't have a penis. Oh, I'm so sorry you don't have a penis. Sucks for you. Sucks for you.

Sucks for you, got no penis. You just got a gina over there. Oh. The abbreviation, gina makes me laugh so much. Hey, Jaina. Ken, how but I've got a heavy flow on the eyes that, GERGIA. Can you imagine if he was like, I know you don't have a penis, but you've got a massive gina. Hold your vagina down.

Hold your big china down. Oh, bless his little heart. For them, it's just normal, isn't it? They're like, why wouldn't you have a penis? Why wouldn't you have a penis? Yeah, that's what I've got. Yeah. I've got one of those.

Why don't, yeah? And then trying to explain to them where their little mind is ticking it over. Like, what? I know. Joseph asked me if he could see my vagina the other day because he wanted to see like how it was different. Because I was saying like, this is what you've got and this is what girls have got. And then I was like, is it inappropriate. If he's like, show me a vagina and I'm like, okay.

Right, this is a, oh gosh. This is a textbook. gina okay so take it all in this is a grade a 10 10 10 per se I was like I don't want to be weird about it also I don't want to flash my son like what do you do it is so hard because you have these sorts in your head don't you think fuck if there was a fly in the wall in here this would be really bad yeah or if he goes to nursery tomorrow and says it like I'm going to report it oh my mum showed me her gina yeah showed me inside it's very dark in there oh Good Lord.

Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Maddie's little bubbers. I swear they're keeping us alive. Oh, so funny. For all the tough correspondence we get and all the tough days we go through, this is the kind of stuff that makes it worth it. This is what keeps it going.

This is why we have the secret mum club because it's the stuff that nobody wants to talk about. But it's the shit that we relish in. It's the shit that keeps us going. I love it. I do. I do. So much. Thank you, Maddie.

Thanks, Maddie. And hope you don't randomly just grow up a picnic. Well, if you do, I mean, you'll be well known. Your son will love it. You would. So thank you for sharing your secrets this week. Everyone is welcome in the Secret Mum Club. If you'd like to share your secrets with us, you can.

The email is hello at secret mumpod.com or with Secret MumPod on TikTok and Instagram. Do you keep it down when you're on the potting? Or do you have a vagina? Let us know. There really is nothing too outrageous. Keep an eye out for our Thursday episodes. And we'll see you next time on the Secret Mum Club. Hi, I'm Jack Remington And I'm Ash Home

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