Secret Mum Club with Sophiena - Venetian Plaster or Poo?

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

Sophiena’s had a nightmare of a week, with Dotty needing a trip to A&E, and calling a meeting with Colby’s school… It’s safe to say a strong bevvy is well deserved. Emma brings three brand new secrets to the table about bragging parents, keeping the good snacks away from the kids, and the feeling of losing yourself. If you have a secret you'd like to share with us, send it to [e-mail]. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

we're back bitches on the secret mum club i'm safina i'm emma and we're back on this podcast where we just share loads of shit from secrets dilemmas arguments literally shit bumholes sometimes poo at waterloo share it all with us because this is a safe shave space this is a shave space shave space and we have not been drinking prosciutto. It's 10 o'clock in the morning. We have not been drinking, I swear. And then we're going to go over to Emma and her very professional voice. Go.

Join us in our save space. You can be totally anonymous. Or serious or silly if I miss my cue. And all the secrets are welcome here in Secret Mum Club. Best intro we've ever had do you want me to go first i feel like we should ask you about your week first we've had one coffee each and we're totally pissed how is your week been do you know what my week has been quite full on i'm solo parenting this

week my husband's away filming a tv show um you never told me this how have you not told me this until now it happens quite a lot because he works about 15 jobs so he is it johnny depp in disguise he works a lot and sometimes that involves going away so i've got the baby uh on my own this week which just involves a lot of like juggling work finding things for him to do every day and then also just asking my mom to come up and help me please does your mom live local she lives about an hour away so she is up helping me out this week which is a massive massive help. Oh, it's so nice.

And because I go to work really early in the morning, it means she gets up with the baby. Days that he goes to nursery, she can drop him off. Yada, yada, yada. And she gets some quality time with him. Yeah, I think she's having a bit too much of that at the moment. She's seen him quite a lot. And she does keep mentioning how tired she is.

I'm like, mum, look, you wanted grandchildren, so be careful what you wish for. Suck it up. Suck it up, Nic have thought should have thought about that before you started popping us out yeah exactly but she's got joseph 15 months old and she's also got um my sister's yeah kid my nephew uh he's two and a half and he's having a very challenging toddler phase at the moment so my poor mom she is a little bit tired um but look we've just been trying to fill our days with like what you do with a fun show honestly there's only so many parks you can go to

this gets boring at a point i'm not gonna lie he's obsessed with the swing so it's just swing swing swings we went to the swimming pool the other day that turned out to be eventful he does not love it but i'm determined for him to be confident in the water so i'm really pushing through with the swimming which i don't know how much you've taken your swimming but it's a fucking ball ache it was an ordeal and what's with the sweaty changing room honestly and you where'd you put the child we talked about this when you're in the toilet but where'd you put them in the bloody changing room you need to have like eight arms and legs i swear to be able to manage it all it's like you go in there you've got a massive bag you've got your stuff you've got the baby stuff you need to

put the buggy somewhere you need to put stuff safe in a locker you need to get a swimming nappy on them you need to have a happy nappy on them you need to have a swimsuit on them which are the tightest things in the world getting them off is even harder when they're wet and they're unhappy and they're crying and they want a snack and you're like stay off the dirty floor or you've done a poo in your swim nappy what do i do with that i want a bit of banana it's just honestly it's an ordeal do you know what i did it twice and never done it again both of them can't swim neither i want him to be a good swimmer but i'm like at what cost just take him to a swimming class where they take your child and you just sit in the sauna and watch you go to the you're no better off of going in there or

staying out because you're just as wet in the waiting room as you would be. No, I've done private lessons and you have to still go in with them. What I mean is... What, in the pool? Yes.

What the bloody hell am I paying for? I know. No. I want a swimming pool crash to be invented where you can just throw them in,

see in half an hour. Not in the pool in the crash. Well. Chuck them in, see if they float. We had, speaking of float,

we had an emergency evacuation of the pool the other day because of floating it's the only reason i can think of why the pool would be evacuated do you instantly go to kevin and perry when the float just comes yeah yeah yeah as soon as they were like everybody out right now i thought there's only one thing it can be floating someone found my shit so never again oh no it's that bit what puts me off is the actual getting changed bit oh man the getting changed and when you walk out and you feel like you're wearing a boiler suit i feel like i walk out like joey from friends when he gets on the plane and he wears all the layers yeah he lunges with no pants on that's me when i leave and you come out it's just it's

tiring and you need to go home for a nap it's hot and stressful and it's only for half an hour of swimming really is it worth it no it's not worth it anyway how's your week been love traumatic it's probably just as traumatic as your swimming go on beat that oh beat it beat it beat it don't spit your water out i i went to hospital not for me for little miss dot oh why because we're sick again oh what is it this time so my glove they're just so basically she come home from school friday absolutely fine and dandy she had a dinner everything was great she went to bed she didn't eat as much as she normally would do but that's none toward.

It's been a long week. She shattered come Friday, Friday evening. So she went to bed. She woke up at about one 30 and she asked if she could have a lamp on. So we turned the lamp on. And then the next thing I know, she come out and she was like, I've been sick in my bed. And I was like, oh, don't worry. I was like, was it a lot of sick?

And she was like, yeah, it's quite a lot. So so i went in i'm always a person that investigates the sick you're not really down with the sick because joseph's not a city baby he's not being sick yet but you have to investigate it for one one one like when you're phoning the the service you're not not the emergency service like the health line to help you they always say is there any blood or any green you have to look through it so you yeah not like with a with a toothpick no you just have to quick quick glance you know quick glance at the at the sick so i checked it all before i put it in the washing machine she went back off to sleep absolutely fine woke up in the morning did our normal little morning cuddle then looked at her she was covered in blood spots all over her face my first intuition was to panic because they tell you to get a glass run the glass

yeah for it literally any anytime there's a rash it's anytime yeah it's panic so i run the glass over nothing didn't go away stayed there so i shit myself text my sister-in-law because she's in the medical profession and asked for her advice so she don't told me to download this app so i went through the app and then she was giving me her knowledge. And then she was like, do you know what? So just phone 111 for peace of mind. I was like, I've gone through every step that I possibly can. Let's phone 111.

They were incredible. As always, I've never had a bad experience with 111. I absolutely adore them. So they got me all the out of hours GP. So we did that. Went to a GP. Absolutely stunning GP. It was hilarious. made my morning but

bless his heart he went through everything after jabbing a stick down her throat and she was traumatized by this stick because he was like open up your tongue poke your tongue out what down her throat she was like she was like don't do that again to this doctor and bless his heart he was like i want you to go and get a second opinion i want you to go down down to A&E. So I was like, right, okay, it's no trouble. A&E is always the answer, isn't it? At the end of it, just take them to A&E. I just don't. Always.

I don't ever go to A&E. It's not a hospital. I just would rather try and solve it as best as I can without wasting anybody's time because I'm a warrior. I panic about wasting NHS's time, you know? So we went down to 111, took her in but it was god bless them it was an ordeal from the moment we walked in chaos yes they put these patches on her like numbing patches to take her blood test so we had to do a wee sample that was traumatic she wanted

to know why my hand was under her with a bucket while she needed a wee I was like darling I need a wee sample and she was going don't look at me don't look at me while I'm we. I was like, darling, I need a wee sample. And she was going, don't look at me. Don't look at me while I'm weeing. I was like, okay. So then it was all on my hand. The tub was in the bleach down the toilet. It was traumatic. At least you can explain it to her.

Have you ever had to try and get a wee sample off a baby? You just have to follow them around until they piss with their nappy off. Yeah, with the potty. Just hold the potty under them. Don't you follow them around. So we did the wee sample and then we had to wait an hour for the numbing cream to work because they wanted to take blood

tests to try and get an answer for the the rash on her face so bless them they put the cannula in but they couldn't get the cannula to stay in because they pinched a vessel in her hand so we had to we just had to leave the cannula out so So we waited two and a half hours. Bear in mind, they told us it was an hour. An hour for the bloods to come in. So we waited two and a half hours. And they come in, they were like, we're so sorry, but we've lost. No. We've lost our blood samples.

Got to do it again. So you know like when you go into the bank and they put the money in the tube and it goes up the tube. That's what they did with their bloods to go to the lab. Got lost in the system. And they just can't find them so they were like we're gonna have to do it again so we were three hours three and a half hours deep on a four hour numbing cream she felt the whole lot but broke my heart because she she couldn't um because where her throat was so sore she couldn't cry so there was like no sound i haven't even told you that she hadn't they checked her throat and they were going to her sweetheart is your is your throat sore and there was like no sound i haven't even told you that she hadn't they checked her throat and

they were going to her sweetheart is your is your throat sore and she was like no no my throat's fine she was like oh did she get tonsillitis all the time i was like no this is the first time they were like this is really bad considering this is her first time so that's what she had so she's got tonsillitis i missed that skip that bit completely she had on tenterhooks waiting for the outcome. Sorry. Tonsillitis and tonsil stones. What's tonsil stones? Basically, just like little stones in your tonsils.

And you can push them out. So she was, yeah, so they went through all the blood samples. So we got diagnosed with tonsillitis and they gave us some antibiotics. But we went through this massive trauma. That was more traumatic than them telling us it was tonsils. So we then had to have another cannula put in the hand. And she was crying so much that no sound was coming out. She was just in absolute floods of tears.

And the doctor was like, can I get you anything, Dotty? She was just like, I just really want to be at home with my dad and my dogs and my brother. And they were like, can we get you a drink? She was like, no, get me my dad. And it was really traumatic and the doctor felt insanely bad she got her tonsils out they did they did at one point they did at one point question it but they were like you know what let's just give her some antibiotics see how she goes and we got sent on our way so we were in there six and a half hours bloody hell so for a week

i said we're just saying i said to ben on the way and when i tell you this girl is indestructible she has that even the doctor was like her pain threshold must be so insanely high because she has just taken this like an absolute champ like a cannula is bad enough for an adult but for a five-year-old come on and she was like don't ever ever take me here again i was like well to be honest hon i don't want to do it as a day out. I don't want to be here every six and a half hours of my Saturday. Horrendous.

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I haven't talked about it because I did have to process it myself i had to have a little cry about it it's been an ordeal and if i'm honest with you i'm totally traumatized by it go on so we've had there's a thing at school where they have like a little procedure where you have thinking cloud okay thunder cloud you go to the head teacher on the other token you get the rainbow cloud the sunshine and they they promote positive positive behavior and they also want you to think about your bad behavior so it's like a kind of disciplinary yeah like a little chart like if you've been a little bit naughty you go on the thinking cloud yeah right okay it's not a big deal the thinking cloud isn't a big deal the thunder cloud on the other hand it's yeah it's not good like i've done something bad like you've punched a

kid in the face and you need to be on the thunder cloud because that shit is bad okay thinking cloud is when you've been told maybe once not to do it and you've done it again and they kind of just want you to think about your actions right five days in a row every day last week we were on the thinking cloud now what happened and it was the point where the problem is is colby comes out the classroom and he says oh mum i've got something around i really need to tell you i've been put on the thinking cloud and i was like dude don't worry about it like what happened we talk about it very openly we're very positive about it and i don't want him to ever feel like he can't tell me yeah something so we're always really honest and we're always open and we talk about it and it got to day three and he come out

of the classroom and he was like before we go anywhere mum I was on the thinking cloud again I was like you joking dude this is day three like what is going on so I went to the teacher and it was kind of a little bit of a well we've been talking about Colby's behavior and I've had to say multiple things to him and it's been happening over the last couple of weeks and i was just kind of like this is all really new to me like where is this come from like you haven't spoken to me about this before and i was cross not at the teacher for not telling me but cross that i was only just finding it out now yeah so i did call a meeting i went into i was that mom and i went in on the friday and i called a meeting and i was

like i need to talk about it i need to get it off my chest. I need to know what's going on, because if you're not telling me, I can't deal with it at home. So I did. I went in and I had a meeting with them and we talked about it. We talked about where Colby's at and his behaviour. And they made me feel very at ease. They said that it's quite common for year twos to go, the boys to go through a little bit of a hormone change. Not many of them go through it, but it's quite a a common thing and he has he has got a little behavior book and i feel bad because

he's like i've got this behavior book but no one else has got it and it's it's just colby is a little bit he gets a little bit overexcited is that what you think it is yeah he's a little bit like at home he'll get a little bit overexcited and he'll do like this little spin out of his, when he sat on the sofa and he'll do like this spin and jump and he likes to make these, he does this Ronaldinho football shout out every time he does something good and he's loud and we express it. We love it. I'm so in for the big personalities and the boisterousness.

And maybe I'm a little bit maybe at fault to not just say, this is calm time, we need to tone it down a little bit so he is and i feel sad for him i have it's broken my heart a little bit that i feel like i've got to cap him and cap his little personality and rein him in a little bit but i feel like we just talked to him about it we was like it's a time and a place and the fun fit the fun stuff just has to happen in the playground yeah and then we have to because we're a family if we just all talk over each other not so much me okay maybe a little really but chris is chris is such a talker over and i'll say to him dude i'm trying to talk to colby this week about talking over him and you're just talking over me and we're like we're having like this family domestic this week

of talking over but no i have been a little bit sad about it oh it's hard when they go to school because we're not there yet but i imagine like you don't know what it's like a bit like nursery like you just put them in there and you don't know what they're up to you know fuck all you don't know what they're doing and you don't want to like curb their like enthusiasm no their wings no but also they do need to be able to like not be disruptive in the classroom but at least it feels like he can express himself yeah which is nice we keep it very open yeah and he even comes home and he's like do you know what my mind a really good day today i listened i didn't run to the toilet and he said to me he

come out one day and he was like i'm not gonna lie to you mom i run i run to the toilet because i nearly pooed myself I was like do you know what dude take the thinking card for that one like mother like son no one needs any sharting in the pants

because otherwise you would have been commando all day hey at least he's got pants on exactly am I right unlike his sister she's busting out commando

Ben would like to go for a break he needs a poo so we're going to leave it here and we'll come back to you on secret number one when Ben has pooped. Right, all the bowels are clear and we're back. Back in the room, everybody. And Emma is going to kick us off with secret number one. It says, hi, Soph and Emma. I wanted to talk about competitiveness. It's hilarious and starts very early. Oh, we know.

Oh, my little cherub already knows the alphabet at 18 months. My darling child can complete the Rubik's Cube blindfold and they're only two years old. Actually, Joseph can already do a Rubik's Cube. No, I'm joking. It's madness. It is madness. It's fucking wild.

Honestly, anything that people can be competitive about they'll be competitive and it's always that one thing when you go oh yeah he's got a tooth and they're like yeah he's got 13 yeah all right you don't win any prizes for having loads of teeth no it pisses me off and they yeah i don't think there's any getting past this i feel like we're all in this shit does it not get because i feel like with babies no it doesn't get any it doesn't get any better it probably gets worse even when you're up the school and they're like oh yeah they're on the white book now they're on the gold i don't know what's i don't even know what what i don't know what comes next i don't know what book comes now but it's all competitive oh mate anything when people

can be competitive about sleeping eating even weight like weight gain at the beginning people be like oh my baby's on this percentile now. They've gained this much weight. They're blah, blah, blah. Oh, mine takes a bottle. Mine's breastfeeding. Honestly, just anything. And I don't want to be rude, but I do just want to say. I don't give a shit.

I literally couldn't give a crap. I couldn't give a crap if your child's going to the moon at one. No. It doesn't, it makes no odds. Just stay in your lane. Yeah. Row your own boat. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, makes no odds stay in your lane yeah row your own boat yeah because at the end of the day if you're not watching your lane you're on everyone else's business

you're losing your way yeah and it all evens out in the end doesn't it it all evens out in the end and let's be honest i at one point thought colby is either going to be a ceo of a business or well actually i probably think dotty about it dotty now or she's going to be a ceo of a business or well actually i probably think dotty about it dotty now or she's going to be a leader in a prison smuggling drugs in it's going to go one of two ways because i feel like every parent does it i feel like there's this time when you think yeah they're bloody they are a genius we all sit there and think yeah but you just don't air it to no one else no keep it to yourself yeah keep it to yourself no one cares that your child can already like stack cups or do the shape sorter and what we should be talking about is who is actually scared of what their child is gonna do yeah when they're bigger yeah like do you sit there

and think of do you ever just stare at joseph and go what are you going to be yeah i do but it's mad how much people like project stuff onto just a baby like they'll be like oh he's very good with his hands i think he's going to be an engineer and it's like you don't know you nobody knows that might not mean anything yeah he can push a train along a track well done so don't worry about yeah competitiveness you could just you know just tell him to fuck off ignore the haters why don't we just talk about the fact that your child took their nappy off in the night and ate their shit and you're sat there like who do i talk to about this because my child has just recycled their own poop what do i do it's become a part of decor now what's that

on the wall you call it you call it plaster venetian plaster i call it shit smeared down the wall that makes me feel better about joseph wean in his mouth when he was a baby how do we what angled his willy into it's the little willies gets everywhere wow skills she's quite jealous yeah when i've ever done that that's pretty cool although pretty pretty great right with number one done, mainly from Emma, because she can't hold her urine. We're rolling in for number two. Hello, Safina and Emma. I have a secret that I have to offload. Now, I want to caveat this with, I love my children with all my heart,

but their tiny taste buds are not as developed as mine. And so I hide all the good chocolate in places they cannot reach. And I leave them with the rubbish, cheap chocosos does this make me a selfish mum absolutely not okay I'm three absolutely not um Emma actually has what did you do at Easter time did we share this with everybody I don't know whether we did Emma done something really genius well no i so basically everyone was trying to buy the baby uh chocolate which he's never had before because he was like one at easter and so obviously what i did was i welcomed that and then me and my husband ate all of his easter eggs obviously genius absolute genius i'd say that's fine i'd say it's fine i um I think we all eat food on the sly. I feel like Joseph's not really there yet.

No. The only leftovers I get from him really apart from at Easter are like sloppy bits of porridge or chewed up bits of toast that he spat out that I just eat off the floor. Yeah. Yeah, soggy chip. Soggy chip. But no, absolutely when you can.

Like kids don't give a shit what chocolate they're eating. They'll eat anything. They'll eat anything. They'll eat anything. They eat their cheap shit out of the advent calendars, don't they, at Christmas? And you don't really give Joseph chocolate, do you? You're not really too bothered about that. Not yet. But do you do this with yours?

You eat all the best stuff. Give them all the crap. I'm really going to destroy everyone's dream. I don't buy a chocolate advent calendar. You don't? We give them to them, but I'm that one that always forgets i get them something substantial like i like to get them like a collector figure or dot c has a builder barbie oh no christmas time so as much as i can avoid it i will avoid it but if they do have good chocolate yeah i eat the whole goddamn life i feel

really bad at the moment though because where Colby is going through is milk intolerance. People keep buying him chocolate like when we haven't seen somebody in the come round with a bag of chocolate. And you keep having to eat it. Oh, shame. It really is such a hard life for me.

Someone's got to do it. And me and Chris do fight over them. But I will say, I hide it all from Chris as well. And he says, any chocolate? And chocolate and i'm like actually i've got some lovely stuff and he's like where the fuck have you been hiding that away from you i keep all but no it's totally normal it's totally normal don't ever feel bad just know that there's some other mum in their kitchen doing the same thing eating the snacks i'm i

have sometimes hidden the bathroom in at them you know with a glass of bubbly mummy's busy i'm having a poo sorry i'll be a while yeah ask your dad go and get your dad but that was quite a quick one wasn't it you've got to get the little wins where you can yeah should we go on to number three yeah do you want to i'm just gonna say kick us off but you you always start oh yes you're a fire starter i shall high secret mum club i've been a mum for just over 10 years now and it's the best thing in I was going to say kick us off, but you always start us off. Oh, yes. You're a fire starter. I shall. Hi, Secret Mum Club. I've been a mum for just over 10 years now, and it's the best thing in the world,

but I'm scared I'm losing my own sense of identity. My whole world revolves around the kids, and I don't know what to do about this feeling. It's a tough one, isn't it? That one is super sad, because I feel like I lost myself up until until probably colby was about maybe four five probably when he went to school yeah i really lost myself and i really struggled with being on the obviously i was a covid mum so i went to colby started school in covid yeah and he had to stand in the queues and i just stood there watching all these mums integrate with each other and chat with each other and I just really lost myself and I just remember standing in this queue like

who the fuck am I I don't even know and you go to school and you just become Colby's mum yeah Joseph's mum even when the doctor calls me hi is that Colby's mum no it's Safina yeah yeah are you Colby's mum yeah but I do I do have a name yeah and at one point I do get quite angry about it because I was like no address me as Safina because that's my mum I'm not just my child's mum yeah like I do have my own name and I think sometimes it can be hard because not you don't always give your child's name but like something I will say is like when I was at the hospital they addressed me as Safina and even like one one one they were like hi is that safina are you dotty's mum and it was really nice it was really refreshing and i would say i've never never had that yeah but it is it is really hard like i felt like i had my shit

together before i had dotty and like i was busting around just me and cobs we were like the awesome duo like my best friend in the whole entire world then i had dots and i had to divide myself between the two and i had to refine myself as being a cool mum to two kids yeah yeah i can't imagine throwing another one into the mix this person doesn't say how many children they've got no but they do refer to my roles around my kids yeah so more than one and i think when you have multiple children you're in that baby phase for so long because they your first one might grow up and be two or three years old then you're back to the newborn bit again which is just so all-encompassing and overwhelming like you can't really have the

brain capacity to think about anything else you're just like i can't imagine now like looking after a toddler and going through that whole newborn bit again it's just a lot and some people are doing that three or four times over so you actually have this really long period in your life where it's all just baby and kid stuff and actually like where are you in the midst of all that like when do you have time to do something for yourself where do you find the things that you're still interested in there's not much space for that but you've got multiple children to look after no and i even now looking back i would strongly promote people to just even if it's just an hour to take a bath just to regroup yourself and even even if it is that you're single and you're you're

doing it alone or your partner's working away even when the babies go to bed just to have even just half an hour to yourself just to take to yourself just to paint your nails or sit with a cup of tea and a candle on and just to really focus and just take some time to just to yourself just to paint your nails or sit with a cup of tea and a candle on and just to really focus and just take some time to just channel yourself because i feel like sometimes we're in such a rush that we never actually stop we just do the washing we do the washing up we put the wine the the washing line out fill the line up or put the wine out put the wine i have a wine drink a wine drink in the middle of the day you're cooking dinner you're doing everything and by the time the end of the day comes, all we do is just throw ourselves into bed.

Yeah. We don't have even 10 minutes, 20 minutes to just wind down. Yeah. And that's something that really worked for me is that just taking that time at the end of the day. Yeah. To just wind down. Even if some days it was five minutes, some days it was an hour.

Yeah. But I really tried to focus on myself because it is, it is scary. You go up to school and you're like, yeah, I've got my shit together. Like I'm a really cool mom. And I i literally stood at the gate like no i've got no fucking idea what i meant to do now he's not here yeah like i completely lost myself and i went home and i just i'm dreading like them both going to school after the six weeks holiday because i am that mum will just sit and cry because i wrap myself up into them for six whole weeks. Yeah.

And then I completely lose myself when they bugger off to school. Yeah. And I'm like, and you have to go through the process all over again. Yeah. But I would say, as everything, you aren't alone. It is a very scary process. Yeah. And I feel like when Joseph goes up to school, we'll be sat here having exactly the same conversation.

And you just being like, I'm so lost. I'm already worried about about going to university in 17 years time and being an empty nester and having no children at home oh don't i keep thinking about weddings like saving for dots's wedding because they're gonna get me but yeah it is it's a mental process and it is it is something that we're not alone in yeah and we are all just going through it but just my only advice is to just focus on you even if it's just for five minutes ten minutes and just have that bit of time where you just sit and just wind down yeah with no noise in peace and quiet the amount of times i've just sat in the dark just like fucking what the bloody hell just happened today fucking hell let's not do that tomorrow guys

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