Seeking Derangements - BONUS: Two Musicians One DJ w/ Clarke and Hudson

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Hey yall its jacques on this episode of seeking arrangements, we are blessed with two talented music, darlings clarke and Hudson. We play a game where they switched sexualities and become different musicians. What their musician personalities would be like. just three music head shooting this shit. Listen to Clarke's new album And listen to Hudson's music

It's out of sight, something else. It is very much like the singer-songwriter hour on seeking derangements. And welcome to the singer-songwriter hour on seeking derangements where we reach out to local singer-songwriter's musicians and give them a spotlight. We've just... We've got two up and coming, talented musicians who break the lines of what being a singer-songwriter really means today.

The boundaries. In America. we've got famous regga tone artist Hudson Freeman and we've got incredible polka musician Clark Sondaman aka pleasure systems

doopoop that is tell us and we have we have rising DJ sensitive jog that's right I'm a broken laptop

I can't play DJ no I can't Oh shit that's right You don't have a USB I don't DJ like that, I don't DJ off USB. I don't, I don't, I bring my own old school. You DJ off your laptop?

Old school. Yeah, I dream. I DJ off my laptop, first of all. And, um, I had three. Uh, so before, if you're listening to this, Wyatt and upcoming wife of Wyatt, though I'm still DJing the wedding. Don't worry. I'm still DJ in the wedding.

Um, but. That's good. That's good. Um, yeah, I have had the worst issue. I mean, clearly, my job really depends on having a goddamn computer DJing or podcasting. I mean, what am I supposed to do? You got to have the charger for the computer as well. I mean, it's just like, it never stops. How do we get you a new computer? What's going on with your computer? I made a new,

I made a deal with a loan deal with my father to pay for the computer. The cost of the computer, You can bleep this out with $1.000 for a MacBook Pro 16. That seems wrong. It doesn't seem right. It does seem wrong. And I do feel worse and worse about the decision that I made. But I was like... The new MacBook Neo is like 700 bucks.

I mean... I think it's like 500. It's cheaper than that. Wow. Well, my sister, I think like what you could even add on to get it up to that number you just threw out. I didn't, I did get 12 terabytes of, uh, okay. That would do that. That would do it. But, but for the perspective, I had, why do you have 12 terabytes? Why do you need that? I had four, I had four terabytes in my last computer and I filled it up to 3.1.

Uh, good. Mostly with music, photos, movies. And guess, guess? what? I'm paying for all my fucking music. I'm not even illegally downloading my music. Jacques is like using his MacBook as like a server for everyone to watch like Blu-rays. It's like it's the 4K Plex hub. That's what we need. Oh, I was worried. You're not on SolSseek? No, I don't look can I let to get you on Solseek. YouTube musicians should first of all, y'all, y'all are like, oh, go illegally download. You don't want people to go legally download from your band camps? Yeah.

I would, I would wager I would rather someone got my album on Soul Seek than listen to it on Spotify. Yeah. Okay, that's true. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, yeah, fuck Spotify. I don't use Spotify.

Well, but that's a whole other can of worms. Okay, but the psycho thing that I do... We make this music on correct versions of the software and we listen through illegal websites. It's just only fair. It's only fair that you give back to the people. I mean, look, I'm all about giving the fans free music. Don't get me wrong.

But, you know, after a while, it's like, how much can I give away for free? It's like DJ. I could DJ all my friends' parties and everyone's parties. And they're like, could you just do it for me as a favor for free? I'm like, no. Fuck no. Well, so you're getting married. You have budget if you're having a wedding.

Exactly. Well, not even for a wedding. It's not there asking me for free. But it's like every once in a while, you know, I'm like, Like, give me $650 an hour or don't fucking tuck to me. Yeah. Right. There's a difference when you're playing for a homie and like, you know, you don't have to give the friend discount for the wedding.

I mean, it's, it's, you know, discounts at a wedding. I'm, I still charge, I charge my sister. I still charged my sister at least. I don't know. I gave her If I'm considering my rate today I still gave her

1800-ish off But I'm not gonna do it Wait how much Did you charge your sister Yeah I made her buy me a new DJ controller Okay So you're just bartering with your family

For like Yeah technology It's great Everything is investment based With your family I'm like dad If you can just Help me put this

loan down for this computer. Are you leasing your MacBook? I'm doing a payment plan through him, but it's this is not, my dad is not someone I like to owe. That's fair. No, he's not fun. You want to hear what he did

to me today? I was at my sister's house in the driveway, helping her move stuff to the car. My dad lives a block and a half away from her, and he ran, he saw me in the driveway. So I didn't see him coming and he started running full force towards me. And by the time I started hearing footsteps or something come. I couldn't turn around and he went, you grab me.

He's like, I'm going to get you. And as a joke? Yes, as a joke, he always does his fucking kind of shit. And I'm like, I was like, it's just like, it's not the time. I'm too sensitive. The computer's broken already. Do you need to poke me? Yeah.

It's kind of cute, though. He's excited to see you. So, Hudson, if it's not private, where are you calling in from right now? What state are you in? I'm calling in from the state of Brooklyn. Oh, okay. Y'all are like next to each other, basically.

Yeah, we're neighbors. New York neighbors. And you're... And Clark, you're reporting from Manhattan or Williamsburg? For Manhattan. Those are the only two options. What's your particular neighborhood that you're, yeah. But like you can't place me any further into Brooklyn than Williamsburg.

That would be the farthest I would go. Yeah, I think Williamsburg, I could maybe see you in Ridgewood, but I kind of doubt it. I mean, the thing with Ridgewood is I already lived in Philly. And like, whenever you're in Ridgewood, it's like, this is sick. You have all of Philadelphia here, and then there's also like a whole other city to explore. And there's Polacks. Oh, like Polish people? Yeah, yeah.

I thought that was like the name of a bar you like. Oh, I love that bar, Polacks. It's the best. Chuck, do you remember when we were, I think it was after the Seeking Doreenancement's Live show when we went to that bar where they made you like order via the website and then Apple pay for your drinks and they would bring them out to you. You couldn't like pay at the bar.

Do you remember this? Wait, yeah. Wait, yes, yes, because it was like an iPad. It was a very iPad-oriented place, but I don't know if I ever told you the fall up to this, but I removed my card from Apple Pay while leaving the bar, so then the transactions didn't go through. And then I got a text, like, a week later from the bar manager being like, hey, like, could you Venmo me your tab? We saw you came in the other night. And I ignored it, obviously, because I'm not going to Venmo for a bar tab for two weeks ago. Um, and then...

That's their fault. Two weeks later. And then she followed up like a week later. And so I'd finally just said, this, Vettlana, no English. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, You got away with it. You got to, what's, is it quiet tonight in New York? Or can you hear the rumblings of the street? Do you hear the, the rumblings of the? It sounds like, it sounds like the riots are starting again. It's quiet over here.

All day long I had a houseless person outside my window who was just playing Christian rock off a Bluetooth speaker and singing along at the top of his lungs. It was like, it started out annoying. and cross the threshold to being like really profoundly moving. It was like an endurance piece. It's beautiful. That's the worst thing when someone is singing or blasting religious music.

You're in the Uber and they start blasting religious music full volume. What are you going to say? That's your God is wrong. Turn it off. You can't really say turn it down in that context. It's insensitive. I actually, I broke the rule of bringing up religion

to my Uber driver on the way here. What's happened that's made this that's necessitated a rule? Well, there was this one time where a man drove me and he kept trying to talk political to me, and I was like, I'm not interested. No, thank you. No, thank you. Just kept saying, no, thank you, you. Just trying to get somewhere.

And he pulls a car over. No, thank you. It's all so crazy. No, thanks. Well, he's like, so you want to talk about, tell me about what? you believe politically. Do you know how? No one has ever started a conversation with, you know what?

Tell me what you think politically to me ever. I'm going to, though. I'm putting that in the arsenal. It scared me. It's a good way of cutting through the bullshit. Well, I'm okay with... He's cutting through the bullshit, yeah. He's cutting me.

He's not, there's no bullshit. Wait, so he pulled over? Well, he kept asking and I just was like, no, no, no. So he's not even half, he's halfway through the truth. He's doing data. He's doing, he's doing census work right now. Oh, I wish it was just that. He pulls the car over.

He takes the key out. He turns back. He looks back at me and he says. He took the key out. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, I'm like, I'm dead. I'm like, he's about the bullet gun out to kill me. So he turns, he says, I can tell that you have suffered from the evils of homosexuality

for a long time. Totally. Totally. I was like, are you fucking? kidding me? What is your problem? It's so rude. And I didn't say that even. I think I was just so shocked. I was like, I was trying to get to the thrift store before it closed. Well, that's how he knew. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't even know what I was wearing. You think this is a gay outfit today? I'm wearing a NASCAR shirt. And a- 100% yes. And these tie boxing shorts. Are these gay? What's

wrong with these? Yeah. Because see, the thing is, if it was a straight guy wearing the same outfit, they wouldn't have thought to coordinate the neon green in both pieces. Right, right. Okay. But I will say this, it got worse, because he was like, well, you know, I used to suffer from the same illness until I went through a...

He was hitting on you. Oh, no, no, no. He said, I've been suffering, I used to suffer from the same kind of problem until I underwent a certain type of therapy. that changed my life and now I've been married to a woman for 30 years. He's pitching conversion therapy

to me. I am late to go to the thrift store because this motherfucker wants to try to get me the conversion therapy. I am the least likely to be able to do that. What do you think would have happened

if you just went along with it? If you're like, you know what, you're right, it's been really weighing on me. Just would have fucked a woman for a while and then just fucked a man again too. It would have just, you know, it's like,

I mean, I'm going to do both. I don't think he would have... He just thinking, he's thinking this guy's just gay. He doesn't even know I'm interested in pussy, so he doesn't even know he's just setting me up with a free date. Conversion therapy for me wouldn't work because I'm a bisexual. I'm interested in pussy. I mean, really.

I like, but I feel like, what's great is that your response wasn't, it wasn't like a fence as much as it was like this is like really good i'm i'm trying to get to the thrift store it's like it's like inconvenience it is inconvenient i don't want you to talk i want you to focus on the road it's when they're getting the uber driver how did you get out of it did he did did he put the key back in the ignition i got i said i said i said i said just said no thank you so i walked the rest of the way and i but you can see my body i'm not someone that looks like they walk a lot.

I'm not comfortable with walking places. Did you get there in time? I got there in time, but like it cut my time down from 30 minutes to 15, 20 minutes. I mean, what was I going to shop for? And then, you know, I get into Uber car drivers car, the Uber driver cars, and they are full on having conversations on the phone, which is fine. That's kind of like a taxi thing. But who is putting it on speakerphone? I mean, I've had it worse.

I've had it through like car play a lot. That's what he's doing. Yeah, like through the car speakers. So, I kind of like it. Give this a listen. The guy, the Uber driver was talking to this woman.

So when I got in the car, it sounded like I was in a sound tunnel surrounded by 500 loose children. It was like she was on the phone, on speakerphone, walking between all of her kids and then trying to tell them what to do. I was like,

oh, is this this guy, wife and then he's like okay now that you're done with the kids so tell me what do you like about me and she began to list things out loud over and it was so uncomfortable it was not like a little bit like it wasn't like you could just kind of hear it it was going through the car so i'm gonna i'm gonna play a 40-second clip from this incident okay it's her voice is the same volume as the directions my kids like you do you know uncomfortable to hear this was

these are like affirmations yeah it was like you're funny and she was saying it at the speed of like the slowest speed available that's kind of sweet I mean it was sweet I would be charmed by that I said I said

can you shut your bitch up I'm trying to ride I'm trying to thrift shop I just left a No, this was not a thirst shop. This was last night when I was in an Uber. And I'm like, I just left a party where they had giant Uno cards. I need you to shut the fuck up.

I need you to shut the fuck up right now. I need you to, I didn't have the nerve. But today I've been struck open and I'm, I have the nerve. I would have said to you him today, shut up. Shut up. It's so much, it's worse than ever in New York right now. We have a new ride share app called Empower. Are you using this Hudson?

I'm not. I'm not. What's the deal with the moment? You kind of get on Empower. It's, well, it's illegal and uninsured. So if you get in an accident, you're fucked. But it's like, instead of the app taking a cut out of, like, the wage for the ride or the fee for the ride, the drivers pay, like, I think it's $20 a month in order to use it and then keep all the money.

So, like, it's a lot cheaper. the drivers make more money at the same time, but because it's like totally unregulated and uninsured, they're just doing fucking anything in those cars. Like, like half eaten food on the backseat, like cigarettes, it's, it's great. I mean, that's, the Wild West again. I'm telling you I use Uber. I have never driven, I've driven a car twice in my life, but I've never had a license or anything. I've never had like driving. And I take Uber so often. And I use Uber in every state, every city I travel to, whatever. The Uber's are the, the worst in Lafayette, Louisiana.

They are the worst. It's all cigarette smoke. It's all... I happen to Lafayette, but that kind of makes sense to me. One time this Uber driver in the last seven months, he was eating Cheeto, he pulled his

oxygen mask down to eat Cheeto puffs so he could eat the Cheeto puff and then lick his fingers after. And his oxygen take... And then put the mask back up? Yeah, no, no, no. He just kept... The mask is just down blowing oxygen into the...

I'm like, like the fuck and then he his oxygen tank is not buckled up and it's just moving around like this in the front seat. I'm like we're going to explode. We're going to explode and then next to

the oxygen tank is a carton of cigarettes. Now the man is driving like seven to 10 miles an hour in order to keep up with the speed he's licking the puffs. It was not okay. Okay, okay maybe there is something particular to Lafayette.

Oh, absolutely. I got in one recently, and the guy was facetiming his girlfriend, and then he pointed the phone towards me and said, why don't you introduce yourself to my girlfriend and tell her a little about yourself? I was shocked. What did you say? He said, hi, I'm shocked. I am an artist.

I just, I was like, uh. You did say you're an artist. Yeah, so she kept. she kept going and then she hangs up and he goes God I can't ever get that ball and chain bitch to shut the fuck up and then he goes I kid you not verbatim he goes this is pretty nice neighborhood they got any vulnerable single women here I mean what's wrong with these people

also because like you're driving through a neighborhood it's not I mean it's oh it's just like I am a total pushover with with Uber driver though. I wish I had any kind of confidence. Like, the drummer for my band, they were, like, playing the most innocuous, like, chill step music or whatever.

Like, out, like, fucking 30% volume in the car. And we get in, he's like, I'm sorry, can you turn this off? He just, like, he just was like, no, I mean, I, I, I kind of love him for it, honestly. Like, I just think

he just is, like, I don't know. I've, I've, like, I can get into an Uber and do what I want. I'm paying for it. I'm paying for it. Yeah. I'm always, I always feel like envious of the, it is specifically women, the women in my life who will get into an Uber and like, I'm always jealous of a lot. But they'll get into an Uber and spend like about five minutes before driving away pairing to the car's Bluetooth. Like, like, not even like getting on the Ox Corps, but being like, I need to play music. So we're going to like, sit here before you drive away. I'm gonna get on the fucking Kia Bluetooth Connect. I do think people want to command a space

in a vehicle. If anyone told me to turn my music off in an Uber, I would say, get out. Even if you were just like, even if you were an Uber, have you ever done Uber driving? No, I mean, I've only driven a car twice and it wasn't Uber.

Shagg doesn't know how to drive. I've literally only driven in a parking lot, and then I drove someone home from the bar that I had to blow into his machine the whole time and I had to drive the car. And that was the first time I ever drove on the road, leaving sixes and sevens and six sevens. Sixes and eights. Sixes and sevens. I think that's the name of the bar. Sixes and sevens next to Rutgers and Montrose and I had to go towards the heights. And we had to stay off the highway because I couldn't handle it. And so... Yeah, because I'm like that that almost seems like

more dangerous than a drunk person driving. Um, no, the weed had worn off. The weed had worn off by then. The edibles... No, what I'm like, someone who has never driven a car before. I would take someone kind of drunk over that, I think. Yeah, I think he just felt bad for me. I'd gotten dumped like three or four days before, and...

Oh, so he was like letting you drive the car to cheer you up? I think after I... Well, he really couldn't drive also. We would have crashed. I mean, also... Two things can be true. Well, he's got... the breathalizer, so he can't be,

he literally cannot be drinking and driving. I had to blow into that thing. And the breathalizer obviously implies... You can't lie to that. You can't lie to that. And also... Right, but the mere presence of the breathalizer tells a story, if you will.

Oh, I didn't even think about that. I get pulled over and they just see the breathalyzer. No, I'm saying, like, he would have gotten to you eyes by virtue of there being a breathalyzer installed in his car. Yeah. He definitely would have driven drunk, too. This guy is kind of a shit. I love him.

Love you. But, I mean, he doesn't talk to me, so I don't know why the fuck I love him. I hate him. Okay, so let's break down the music situation here. Let's get to the bottom of it. Let's get to the bottom of this. Let's break down the genre. Would you be offended with the word bedroom pop to define you, Clark? Or is that? I mean, it's a badge of worn with pride. I'm not distancing myself from it because I don't own it. I'm just like, it was always by happenstance for me because I just really suck at production.

And so then I was like, oh, I could get a producer and it would sound the way I want the songs to sound instead of like accidentally being bedroom pop. So that's where I'm at now. But I'm still like, I'll stay true to my roots. I'll stay true to my roots. And by the way, if you want to check out Clark's music, visiting the well, visiting the well?

Oh, yeah. That's the album, right? I'm the big sure I'm saying. Visiting the Well is an incredible... Oh, well, Hudson's getting arrested. There's flashing lights coming into his apartment. Yeah, go listen to Visiting the Well, an incredible album. What's the name of your next album that's about to be released?

Leave it in the sand. Okay, we love... June 5th. Go, listen, listen. It's a beach album. It is very beachy. Would you be offended if anyone ever called you Tui? Or is that just because you're wearing it?

Tweed as I'm... Tweed as hell. Yeah, wait, but go ahead. Well, I was like,

well, well, I was like, you got a collared shirt on it. Grisly bear ass. 8. 42 p.m.

so like, twee as fuck. Um, you... And the way I changed into this to look cute on the podcast. I literally,

I got, I got out of my nice dinner outfit and I said, let me go get dressed for these schmucks and put some comfy back in. They want, they want, NASCAR shirts.

This is what I wanted. We want NASCAR. Jacques. This is my most comfortable sure. I was supposed to give it to this really a funny guy, Nate Fisher, but I don't think it's going to happen because I like it too much. It's got a big hole in the middle too, and I kind of love that. It's like I reach my belly button. It's perfect. Yeah, that's perfect. But, and Hudson, oh, wait, you go first. Yeah, what are Hudson? No, what are, I want to know what your prescribed genre tagging? Yeah, what are your music pronouns? Yeah, yeah, what's my music pronouns? You know, I, I feel like similarly to Clark

I have worn the label of, like, lo-fi folk just because of my inability to record myself properly or an very high-quality way. So. But you all say that's both kind of your aesthetic, though, more than just like, but it's also laziness, y'all are saying? It is. It's important. Well, but I mean, like, oh, it's all lack of me. We both use, like, 35-millimeter photos for promotion to materials, you know? Yeah.

It's not just as you're on in Able to. And I knew I clocked at T. And now, y'all's music, I guess. Wait, sorry, Hudson, I cut you off. Using film photography for your album artwork is what you do when you don't know how to take actual photos with a digital camera. Yeah, I mean, digital cameras? P-U. Who uses a digital camera these days?

Cobra Snake? What are we? 2007? We are. I'm a pushback. my friend Eve who took the photos of me for my new album would practice on digital and then when she got the framing right she would switch to the film camera. Wow, that's really.

It's like people who listen to vinyl. There's like it's more depth, you know. No, I don't actually, I don't actually agree with that at all. I feel like I would like compare it to like recording to tape and stuff. Like it just has its own thing. And whether it's like tapping into our nostalgia for like the way tape or vinyl is or whatever, I just feel like it's the medium itself is like, it's cool. I'm, I'm, I'm about to pay out the ass next month to try to get one of those custom

vinals made where you can put whatever you want on it. And I'm just going to play, I'm just going to make a mix. It's going to be totally illegal. I'm going to, I got it. The people pressing my new album on vinyl are, are very guerrilla style. I bet they would do that for you, if you want. Perfect. That's done. Done and done.

It's like an anarchist commune in a church in Quebec that like decided to become a pressing plan. I kind of fell in love with them when I was like shopping around for who to do. Timism. Literally beautiful. I also remember. Wait, so you're doing like a mixed tape but to like press the vinyl. Yeah. So I'm going to record a DJ mix that is going to be.

I think each vinyl has an hour on each side. Am I wrong? Yeah. I think it's like 30 to 40 minutes each side. Okay, well, each side would be perfectly mixed DJ mixes. And there would be no break in the mix. It would just be one long track on each side. And, yeah, it would just be nice to listen to.

I just want to make something. Also, I'm going to be making a grateful... I don't even listen to The Grateful Dead, but I paid Max to make a Grateful Dead compilation of the best of the live and the bootleg stuff. And then he made an album cover. Then I'm going to print that and then I'm making CD versions and then I make one vinyl version. I'm going to mail that to the online ceramics head guy and be like, this is my offering.

This is my offering. Notice me, Simpy. I'll send you a couple shirts. Oh, they brought, they brought, they, they, they brought, they, I, they've already given me stuff. They are, I went to, I went, I went, I got to go tour their facility and it was like literally the best part of my LA trip. Honestly, sorry, better than performing in front of a. thousand people. Sorry, it was more fun. I'm sorry. And I love t-shirts. And it was like seeing people, they hand-died me a t-shirt while I was there. That's beautiful. That's so sweet. And also,

there was two X-L. They were thinking of me correctly. I like when people noticed my size in a positive way. Yeah. That's beautiful. Okay. So you both got this, you know, indie rock umbrella that we could throw y'all under and you know whatever i don't mean to be crass but what really separates the both of you it really makes please they'll be crass not on this podcast i i hate being vulgar um so hudson you're you have more of a i don't know more kind of a stripped down almost maybe blues influence kind of is that wrong to say you think i think it's it's bluesy i guess like the thing that went viral has this like bluesy thing maybe. Yeah, maybe that.

I never, I never was into the blues, but maybe I should. I do like, like Alabama shakes. And my mom just saw them at jazz fest. Have you ever seen Walk Hard? Yes, the Dewe-I-Coc story. The Duke, the Do-I-Cocke. Yeah, you're like the little white baby who like immediately knows how to play the blues. Yeah.

Okay, and then, you know, Clark, you're more of a poppy, but whatever. The thing that makes you both different is that Clark is a gay, homosexual, and Hudson's a straight, and I'm married, but you're both married. So that really, you're really the exact opposites. Right, but I'm gay married, which is different. Yeah, it's, it is different. So I have an exercise I've generated today called walk a mile in someone else's shoes, where I, I, want you to really imagine yourself Hudson. If you were a gay man, what would, what differences would your music sound like? What, what direction? What would be your artist's name? Because Hudson Freeman

is too straight. That's like, it sounds like the name of a railroad station. So, you know, you've got grit. And no offense, Clark Sonderman. That's, that's a gay-ass. name. That's a gay-ass name. Yeah, that, like, that describes a gay Jew pretty, pretty exactly. In pleasure systems, I mean, you might as well call yourself Bath House Records. That's actually not a bad name. I should see if that's been taken. You should, yeah, you should make that record label. It's only gay indie musicians and Hudson. Like all four of us, yeah. Hudson's Hudson, you get to be signed to this record label and you're like, this is our premier one straight artist. We sign one straight artist a year.

15 gay guys and we release all their music at the same time. It's like me and Liam Benzby and perfume genius have to like queer I you. That's the rule for us to put out your record. It's, yeah. Okay, well, in this exercise, I'm going to present you with some different options, but I'm going to give you a scenario. So instead of being married to your wife, now you're married to Elton John. And

The only way to be a homosexual musician Well, I mean, I tried to break it down different I mean Am I like starting out as his secretary And just kind of work my way into this role You can use all of his resources You have unlimited resources You could be

Who's the gayest pop musician right now That would be not Charlie XX. That's an actual gay person Troisovon You could be Troisovon if you want or you could be usher. You don't have to be outwardly gay. You know, when I lived in South Africa,

Troy Savon was like briefly, like the most popular, like, boy alive. He was in this movie called Spud. That's like the biggest movie in South Africa that nobody in America knows about. Are you from South Africa originally? No, I live there as a teenager. Oh, interesting. Holy shit.

I've never seen this before. Yeah, wait, I'm just like a child You looked up Spud Troy Savon Is he? He's like 12 or 13 in this movie I think He looks so young

He's from South Africa But I think he like Moved to Australia at some point I feel like Because like when I knew him He was like on YouTube Like I remember when he came out on YouTube I don't like him

Wait do you mean like came onto the platform Or did he come out as gay Like on YouTube Yeah he like came out on a YouTube Yeah he like came out on a YouTube video was like a seminal genzy moment. That's such a relic of a different era. I remember changing my,

my sexuality on Facebook to bisexual. And I remember being like, Mom, I just want you to let you know. I'm a bisexual now. I'm bisexual. And she was like, oh, okay. And I was like, and I'm going to put it on my Facebook. And she was like, I don't know if that's a good idea, Jacques.

I'm like, yeah, it's a good idea if I say so. I don't think of you giving her a heads up before she sees it. No, no, no, I mean, I like to give a heads up. Wait, so what kind of instrument would you change it up or is it still guitar? Harp? Yeah, yeah, so instrument. I mean, I feel like if I was, if I was going to do gay pop music, I feel like it would be, it would be in the, the Brockhampton direction maybe.

Oh, okay. More of the... Kevin Abstract direction. More of the abstract direction. Yeah. I feel like it would be... I don't know. I think it would be like...

Brock Hampton, what a relic from the old days? Forgotten. The boy band of our generation. Yeah. I feel like they're still in the mix. No? I mean, I know they're not a band anymore, but... They got like...

They got like super... super canceled or at least like one of them did. Oh, that's right. I think multiple of them did. I mean, there's so many of them. That's the, that's the bad part about having a boy band or having too many people in a band.

You know, imagine if one person in the polyphonic spree had gotten canceled. You would have had the whole choir sit now. You know? I think one person in broken social scene did get canceled, actually, but they, they're so popular. It's fine. It's like, it's like Isaac Brock,

the lead singer of Modest Mouse. He's not, you know, he's arcade fire yeah when butler's a fucking well butler's a fucking well but they're kind of actually canceled now they're done done

because they still came out with a new album they came out with a new album but they were like being so defensive about it not giving any interviews it was yeah why were they defensive about it what do you mean because they like knew that he was canceled when Butler is particularly canceled he

hired me for a show five or six months a head of time and then told me a week before the show happened that it was I was not playing yeah I knew I was like that's grounds alone for a cancellation well I'm like fuck fuck you how old O'n Pallett is fucking canceled too but that's like less reported on the only that's like public there is that he's settled lawsuits with people who accused him of sexual assault it's like you can read between the lines there I have which yeah have you guys seen Michael

Speaking of Owen Ballet, have you seen Michael. We've seen the Michael Jackson Biobics. Yeah, we've seen them. I want to. I would love to. I would absolutely love to also. I feel like I miss the experience I want because I'm not going to just watch the movie.

Like I would have wanted to be in one of the crowded theaters with all the impersonators. Oh my God. That would have made it worth it. Okay, the after dance parties that happen during the credits at the Michael Biobiles. parties that are going around the United States with the impersonators dancing with other impersonators it looks like the end of a middle school dance when everyone started

passing around and at one energy drink or like a few energy drinks and everyone's starting to get really hyper and crazy it looked very middle school I like and maybe this just like suggests the like whatever cultural bubble I exist then online but I like never even thought to go watch this movie like one time. And I like I like thriller and bad and stuff but yeah but you can also be like nuanced enough to not rush out for the Michael Jackson

bio that was like written. I just thought it was gonna be bad. I just thought it was gonna be bad. It wasn't even that I was like against the, I mean I guess I yeah, I don't know. Do you think he did it? I honestly don't think he did it and I'm You don't think he did it? Okay. I had I had it in my ear since I was at eighth grade from a dead

Michael Jackson fan that I grew up with that she flew to New York to meet up with other Michael Jackson fans to go on tour of New York where you go to different music video locations of Michael Jackson videos. And I think, look, I think it's, I would, if, if I, if I've never seen finding Neverland because I initially. Yeah, I haven't watched it either. I just, I just couldn't like stomach watching it in truth, truth. Because the way what people talked about it. Well, look, I watched the one about the Nickelodeon thing, but I didn't know anything. I watched Alan versus Pharaoh and turned it off and watched Manhattan instead because they kept showing clips of it. And I was like, damn, I never saw Manhattan.

This looks like a great movie. I've never seen a single Woody Allen. This was pre-Ebstein Files. I'll say that. I think it's fine to, like, be a Michael Jackson fan and to go even, like, watch the movie or whatever. but like some of his like like I feel like they're the like pre-Swifties or like Michael Jackson fans

but like totally they they like they have like this manoky and like good versus evil world where like not only did Michael Jackson not like assault children but he also like was actually secretly like protecting like he was like doing this whole like underground tunnel for like children and like protecting like

I've heard these like crazy things that like, yeah, the reason why there were so many children at his house was because he was actually like trying to save them from a broken industry. Well, I remember that one of the, one of the accusers was the was a producer's child that had had a beef in a standoff with Michael in relationship to some kind of music dispute. So I don't know. I'm willing to, I'm willing to believe anyone that famous and popular could be evil or could be good. I mean, it's like, could go either way. I don't know.

I think he's really funny. He used to prank call like a bunch of other celebrities, and he would pretend to be, it's so funny. He would be like, he-he. It's the front desk, and you have been making way too much noise. And, like, doing a bad job at it is. Yeah. Well, no.

And starting off with his gouge for his. Did y'all also know, yeah. Did y'all also know that he, um, did you also know that I forgot what I was going to say? It left. It was on the tip of my head and then I went, dude, fuck these dogs outside. Wait, can you hear the dogs outside of my apartment? Oh, I thought they were at Hudson. Oh, no, outside of mine.

There's a dog fucking brawl going on on the street outside of the, me. Just throw some dark chocolate and call it a day. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It's a joke. Really bad joke. Here, puppy. Wait, but so I want to hear more about Hudson's Brockhampton arc. Yeah, yeah, you go.

I almost said Brooklyn in instead of Brockhampton. Brooklyn! Brooklyn! Brooklyn in the house! Well, you can't, you have to put out music like, every five years at the, like, minimum. Like, you can't put out music

two years. Like, it has to be, like, very mysterious. You can't, like... No release dates. Yeah, no release dates. You have to give, like, conflicting explanations of the songs and, like, say they're about movie characters.

I don't know. I'm thinking of a very, like, mysterious character right now. I like the idea of the picture you're painting. He's a mysterious boy band, gay, who... He's the leader of the band, but he's also, you don't know he's the leader of the band. Right, exactly. Totally.

He's pulling the strings. Interesting. Okay. And you want it to sound like Brockhampton as well? You're going to be hip-hop. I mean, it's going to sound exactly like it, but we're going to say it's nothing like Brockhampton. Okay. I love when musicians do that.

I also love that JPEG Mafia is like going, I invented experimental rap. Get a great. he's so annoying. Did you see this new capeop band? Did you see this new K-pop band that basically just recreated Humble by Kendrick Lamar? No. It's so funny. Oh, they're called Boy Next Door.

Oh, yes, yes. And the, and the song is called Knock Knock Knock. Yeah. It's like the same beat and he's like doing Kendrick's accent. I'll send a. I keep watching this compilation. My algorithm has really knows how sick I am and how fucked up I am. It keeps sending me clips of this Polish, it's a Polish music show where it's exclusively

white people coming on to do blackface renditions of different musicians. I had seen a clip of it before where it was a white guy in the, honestly the most demented. I'm not a black face. I'm not supporting Blackface at all, but it came up on, it came up on as a compilation. I just wanted to, you know, but I, I saw this, this Polish person dressed as Louis Armstrong. And it was so cringe. And I was like, I'd seen that clip and I was, but it was like part five of, of the same network.

They were like, five worst blackface, every, this covered. that they've done on this Polish show and it was like Hotline Blaine. It's like an AI ranking video. It's not even AI. It's not even AI. It's a hundred percent real and it's the,

I don't understand how it was, it let go this long. Oh no. What's? I've been, I've been getting, I want to find. At the boys next door.

No space. I've been getting a lot of, I've been getting a lot of really fun Polish mumble rappers recently on my Instagram. feed, yeah, check this one out. He's grunting. He's invented a new rap form. Wait, what's this one?

I feel like this is kind of in line with Hudson's Brachampton arc. No, actually, actually, I think there is a Polish era. But I like the monotone. Yeah. And like really low, deep register. Okay, I'm sending, I looked, Googled the Polish blackface show, and I sent you all a TikTok. Just give me a live reaction. The first person.

Where do you send us? I just sit it on the little. In the, like, studio chat. I'm trying to Google it, because it's so shocking. It's to drag a puzzle piece into place. to get TikTok access on my computer. Ew. What kind of...

Because you're addicted to it? No, because I'm not logged in. It's just like giving me never-ending puzzles. Outrage. Institute of Race Relations article.uk. Outrage has Polish TV talent show. Contestant used blackface for Kendrick Lamar and Beyonce performances. I mean...

You know, I'm still filling puzzle pieces in. I don't think I'm going to be. be able to watch this. This Louis Armstrong one is crazy. Yeah, you found it. You found it? It's so, it is,

it is like, you know, like there's a whole country out there that's like, yeah, this is okay. Oh, shit. You found it?

No, no, no. They have someone doing a, um, the Hotline Bling cover version. And he didn't even sound like a good singer. He's like, Hotline, bling,

I know what you do. I know what you do. I know. you do. I don't think he got the lyrics really right. Oh, man. Okay. What's going on over there?

Clark, it's time for you to take a walk and someone else's shoes. You are now a straight musician. You're married to a woman. Let's give you a choice of who you want to start your new show. I get a choice, but Hudson is just assigned Elton John. No, actually. Oh, wait, wait, wait. So, yeah, can we evaluate my guys?

So he's married to Elton John, and he's, he's like, but he, he worked his way up. He started out as the assistant. And I'm doing alternative rap, but it's like very, like, but we like it or, or, how should we improve? I think that you're, you're, since you're married to Elton John, you sample all of his songs to make your hip-hop beats. Definitely. Totally. Absolutely.

Absolutely. But I think, I feel like there's, there's got to be a touch of drain gang in there, too. Like, I feel like you're not, like, rapping. You're, like, using the language of rap for pop songs. It's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very melodic. It's very melodic. Okay, so we're going to add, you can keep Elton John,

but now you also have, you're in a thruple, and you have Young Lean in the mix. Young Lean. I know you're not gay, but, I mean, he's actually a hot guy, you know. It is a hard, yeah. Yeah, I feel like he could be a really good influence on me, like, musically as well. Totally, but he's not going to let you put his name as a feature.

He doesn't want to give you an artificial leg up. I don't like that, by the way. I feel like I don't like the era. I don't know if we're still in it or not. Drinking? No, the like not attributing features on album stuff. Hate that. Because I hate having to research who's singing the song.

I mean, it's like. I axed all mine off my album. I thought it looked ugly. It does look like shit But it's like it's for the people So I mean like for me it was more like If there was anything If there was anything co written

I wouldn't do that But it was just like Every song on my album has like six other people Playing on it or like singing backups And shit like that So it was like where Is it listed in the sleeve? Is it listed in the sleeve of your mouth?

That's all they have That's how you need. But I think it's even Like on, like, I don't think Spotify does it, but I think on Apple Music, you can, like, upload the players of each song, and you can, like, go look at it while you're listening. I don't use either of them, so I don't know.

I can only think of one time where it was appropriate to not mention the feature because you don't want to distract it from the contents of the song or people to think otherwise. No nightmares by One Otricks Point Never with The Weekends singing them. Yeah.

And speaking of Soul Seek, it's so fucking cool that Woon Otricks Point Never's last album On, like, his website where it was, like, band camp, Spotify, Apple Music, whatever, there was a SolSique button that you could, like, click from his website to download the album there instead of, like, going to your streaming service. I actually, fucking...

I thought that was cool. Daniel Lepoda is a genius, a mastermind of music. What was I going to say, though, about him? Fuck! It's too late. It's too late in the nighttime. I'm at my mom's house.

It's... I had a... It was a completely dark house. You guys vamp for like 30 seconds. I want a whiskey before I answer my straight life. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. So we really got to come up with the...

Hudson, just think about whatever would be difficult for a gay person, and we need to include that in his character development. I think for a wife, I'm going to get you to marry Nora Jones. Norah Jones. I think he's going to have Nora Jones as a wife. in both of your fantasies of us being like different kinds of musicians we are just married to already famous musicians yes i feel like it just kind of adds an extra depth it certainly you're not gay you're not gay enough hudson because you're straight anyway but even in the fantasy we

have to have you marrying elton john for you appear gayer um yeah today's just been much for me. Okay. So fuck it, we ball. So, fuck it. Okay, so. Clark, you are... Yeah, that looks like a tall glass.

Yeah, you're about to be like rattling that ice cube. We never... Yeah. Nora, honey, refill my glass. We have to have names for these artists. Oh, shit. Yeah, we do. So your current real name is Hudson Freeman.

So... Freehud, Sunman. Nope Sunman Sunman S-O-N S-O-N space M-A-N It's just the

last The ending two parts of With a much older husband And your music name is Sunman Hey I'm Sunman This is my husband El Jod

And this is our third This is our pool boy Youngly He's not married Don't worry. Youngleys not married anymore. He's with us now. That's how it would sound. Okay, so I'm in a threple with Elton John and Youngleon. And my name is Sunman. I think it's more like, it's like, it's like, what sounds like Fever Ray, but isn't Fever Ray?

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like that's your moniker. Okay, I've just thinking. Like, I feel like it's like Star Drop, and the first album is called Fever Dream. Oh, okay. That could work. I like fever dream. I like fever dream.

I feel like my name is like, I feel like the gay version of my name is Weston. Does that make sense? Totally. Right? They're so Weston. Wait, but maybe you just spell it like the hotel. Maybe your name is just W-E-S-T-I-N.

Yeah, it's Weston. Oh, my fucking. I think it's fever dream by Weston, and it's very melodic hip-hop. Just Weston. I think we got it. Oh, my God. I think we get it. So, Clark, I'm going to need to come up with a straight name for you before we even give you more parameters.

I mean, I was going to say Charlie, but I don't think I've met a Charlie that isn't gay. Hey, what's up? My name's Jason Sonderman. And I'm a, I am a Jewish pop star. I write a lot about, I just have my new album. The Hala Diaries coming. Coming right out of the oven. There was. My friend Jake was trying to convince me,

when I was finishing up visiting The Well, my last album, because I had said it was songs I wrote, like, in very short succession after my last partner died, and my friend Jake was trying to convince me to name it sit-in-shiva, with just like an end in an apostrophe. Sit-in-shiva. I kind of wish I had. Okay.

That would be a really good way. That would be a really good. I'm in like a turtleneck and like leaning against a tree, you know. Yeah. Okay, I'm getting your identity all together now. Okay, I like Jason. Yeah, you're not even Jewish anymore. You're Jason Smith.

Hey, what's up? I'm Jason Smith. Yeah, totally. You're going to be making. But it's like a conspiracy theory. Like, did you know that Jason Smith is actually Jewish and he changed his name to fit in in the best? I did. Yeah, I did.

So you're going to. I did know that. You're going to have a jelly roll type sound. You're going to have a lot of body tattoos all over you. It's going to be shocking, but you will weigh at least 70 pounds more than you do now. And since you guys... You started so many numbers with your mouth before you landed on it. I was really going on a roller coaster ride.

Well, I was like, I was going to say 100 initially because you look like you weigh maybe 10 pounds wet. And then I don't like looking at. looking at skinny people. I might have to mute y'all's image for a minute. Okay. I get it. Okay. So Jason Smith is a country music influence singer to the style of jelly roll.

And who's another artist like that? What's post Malone? Post Malone. You're kind of chubbier. Yeah. That's the cop. Oh, yes. And you're dating a cop.

You're dating a cop, a lady cop. A lady cop. up. Mrs. Officer. You're looking, you're kind of just giving, you're making me Lana Del Rey.

Yeah. Just like gender swapped. Yeah, that's exactly, honestly, that's exactly what I'm going for. I feel like, I feel like if I was making straight music, I would like,

be really sincerely influenced by, by, like, grunge music, but I wouldn't do a very good job at putting that in my music. Like, it would sound really forced. Yeah. I can't imagine,

I can't imagine you, like, We're going to switch. You're going to be a pearl jam type band. Totally. I have that in me. I lived in the Northwest for long enough. You got a flannel shirt?

Oh, yeah. Okay, but they're set. tucked away. That's perfect. That often. I think you... Okay, so you're an Eddie Vedder character. Eddie Vedder is crazy.

Speaking of Walk Hard, he has a great cameo in that one. Wait, really? I've seen a movie. I realized I'd never seen it. watched it like a couple weeks ago. It's fucking perfect. It's so good. It's incredible.

But yeah, it's like the final Dewey Cox. You don't want any part of this. The like final Dewey Cox report was at the end of the movie is like for Eddie Vedder to get inducted into the rock and roll Hall of Fame. It's like a tribute. I like a good movie that's aged terribly like that. I feel like it's in the exact way. It's as well. It holds up.

Like I tried to watch like Dodge Ball a few. years ago. Yeah. It's the same thing like idiocracy. I never saw that. I actually, I saw one movie

that was written by Kevin Smith and it upset me so much that I never, I was. It's crazy how revered Kevin Smith is. I really don't get it at all. I mean, Clark's good.

I was thinking of, I was thinking of, what's the Bill Maher movie where he makes fun of religion? Yeah, yeah. And he's like, He's like, he's got his hands up, like, come on. Hey, God, are you there?

And if you are, are you real? I was thinking of religiousness. Oh, wow. If God was really, be stupid. Oh, are you, yes, are you there, God? It's me, Margaret. Is it critically acclaimed 2023 film of the Judy Blume's classic 1970 novels. Bill Maher did not have any chance with that.

Bill Maher's Judy Blum. Bill Marr is Margaret. And are you there, God, it's me. Yo, do you all know about this movie Tiptoes? No. Tipped? That's going to, guess what? You just got the first name of your new upcoming album produced by Rebo and your straight fantasy.

It's crazy. It's from 2002. It's Gary Oldman, Matthew McConaughey, and Kate Beckinsdale, and Patricia Arquette plays the mom. But it's Matthew McConaughey and Kate Beckinsdale are getting married, and Matthew McConae forgets to tell Kate Beckinsdale that everyone else in his family other than him has dwarfism. And so she like goes to meet the family.

And like Gary Haldman plays small. And they like, they go to a family reunion or something, and she like can't cope with this realization and then there's like an emotional ending where they like decide to have a baby anyways even though it's like a 50-50 chance of whether the baby will that's probably it's great it's great that's the kind of thing that changes people's hearts and minds right exactly yeah i watched get them to the greek recently and that is really aged the poorest out of any movie you could imagine diddy russle brann russell brand well russell brand with ditty diddy there's a multiple scenes where Diddy is angry playing a music mogul like himself.

And he's chasing them throughout a hotel. Multiple scenes. Have you seen the It's Always Sunny episode with Diddy? Yeah, where he plays the plant doctor. And he plays... He plays bass or whatever. You definitely saw it and you just didn't even think it was Diddy or like... He operates an alternative health clinic.

And, like, the gang all gets, like, ripped off. Yeah. He's, like, ripping leaves off of plants in the, in his room and, like, rubbing them on people. And he's like, I've cured you. And they're like, whoa. Diddy's a witch doctor. Yeah. I would go to something like that.

I'm not going to stop listening to Diddy. Okay. So, so you're making, you're making MJ Linderman music and your, um, And my name is Jason Smith. MJ Linderman is too kind for the shit that I'm actually going to be churning out in this scenario. Okay, really? He's got some tunes, I feel. No, it's more like, who is it?

I feel like it's more like what I imagine somber to sound like without ever listening. Right. Yeah. Sombor has a billion streams on a song. I like, I'd never heard of him, and then I looked him up and I saw that he has a billion streams. That's crazy. That seems like cheating. You just can't have that anymore.

I feel like you can bot anything these days, but... Yeah. Oh, it's like bots listening to it to make it seem like that. There's a lot of... There's a lot of business happening. There's a lot of... Hudson was... I was recently embroiled in an indie hipster scandal, actually.

So they were accusing you of hiring bots, and that's how you got your recent success or something? thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically what happened was this like marketing company called Chaotic Good recently like did this talk where they talked about how they're like making fan accounts for like indie artists and stuff. So it's it's just like a thing. I think people have been doing it for a while. Like I know pop artists have had like these like fake fan accounts and stuff and it just kind of like generates like algorithmic whatever. That's the good in faith, the good faith. The good faith interpretation of it or whatever but anyway a lot of people think it's a sciop and think that like

these fan accounts are like convincing people that bands are good when they're not actually good I mean I've listened to your music and it doesn't make me want to support Israel so I could testify that you're not a sciop right and right I mean I feel like that's the better definition of a siop is like that it like is manufacturing consent for like political something like a little bit more than the geese album. Right. Not just like convincing, like being like successfully marketing to people or something, you know?

Yeah. But you never even did that shit. And you're just like, were so successful on social media that people. Yeah. Like they just like made a, somebody just like made a list of like artists that they like suspected were doing it and like put it on like indie,

Reddit or whatever. And so like there's been a bunch of video essays. And like, Somebody shouted me out on Instagram and I kind of crashed out a little bit. Whatever. Your success, no offense, but you're not even, you're just basing it off of your, your music is good and people like your music. It's not like you have like a giant internet personality.

You're not like, I'm Hudson Freeman and everyone can talk to me and I'm going to tell everyone about my life. You'd have to listen to your music. I don't know. It's like, it's a classic example of like somebody mistaking. Like you're on the mood board. You don't have people looking at the mood board. in terms of like these marketing strategies.

You've just done a really fucking good job of it, you know? Right. Which how are we going to market your, your, your fake, somber Jason Smith guy? Jason Smith is going to have his first album produced by Riba and co-produced by Post Malone. Kenny Beats. Oh, Kenny Beats too. Kenny Beats has got, Kenny Beets and Reba. Rico's nasties on a, on a song to.

I feel like I feel like I'm like trying to bring skate. boarding back. Yes. I think all straight people are trying to bring skateboarding back. And guess what? It's not happening. It's not happening. It's not coming back.

No. I'm scared to, honestly. I did when I was a kid. But I'm like, well, I have, like, experienced success, like, playing guitar. And so I'm like, I probably shouldn't, like, potentially break my wrists or, you know. Like, the first time where there actually is stakes, you know. Yeah, there's a lot going on. I got a lot of stakes right now.

You got to get on that stage and sing that song. I had a steak for dinner. Hell yeah. That's the only steak I deal with. No, I mean, I wish that I could skateboard. I play skateboarding video games a lot. I grew up on Tony Hawk Pro Skated. I mean, come on, some of the best music, video game music that you could get growing up.

That's the funny thing is, like, there's a lot of really horrible. Ska music on the Tony Hawk, but it's just like so seared under your brain that you think it's good almost. You're talking about Goldfinger by, I mean, Superman by Goldfinger? Yeah, basically. It was just like the second or the third one. And I just remember hearing that when I was younger. I was like, oh, yeah!

This is so cool. And then if someone put that on in a car, I'd be like, turn it off. I don't want people to know I'm fucking listening to this shit. This is embarrassing. I feel like playing that at a friend's house was the first. time I heard block party, which was like a big moment for me. There's such a like a fine line, because it's like the same instrumentation between like Tui folk, like Baroque pop music or whatever and like ska music because they both have like

trombones. Like they both have like way too many people on stage. And like, so when I was in college and like making my fucking Sufion Stevens like kind of music or whatever, I was having, like, French horn and trombone on stage. And I was, like, describing some of my, like, coworkers. And they're like, oh, you just, like, make ska music. Okay, we get it. Like, you have, it's like rock music with trombone.

We get it. So rude. Okay, Lou, you use the trombone and it's not corny. It's not ska. It's a little ska. Like, I love her, but it is a little ska. I'm, that's it. I see where you're getting out here.

Like, I'm, like, hearing a Beirut song in my head for the first time in a while, and I'm like, yeah, it's, they're kind of a ska band. It's always been ska. Well, let me ask you a question outside of the gay and the walk a mile in the shoes, straight in competition. Do you have a new album coming out, Hudson? I'm working on one. Yeah, yeah, I'm recording one.

What's the name of the album? I love my wife. I love football. I love my wife is actually a lot. Same name for an album. Working title, I Love Football. Yeah. I love drinking.

I've got a good album title too. Okay, well, I feel like we've come to the conclusion here that neither of you two would survive in each other's shoes. You can't walk a mile in each other's shoes. We tried to imagine it, and it's just not happening. Yeah, but I think we'd also be, we would be both independently be like 20 times more successful. If we were to take these alternate routes. And it is, like, disingenuous. Like, we are pretending, like, I am pretending to be, like, gay so I can be

married Delton, John, and, like, be making this mysterious folk music. And you are pretending to be a straight man. Jason Smith. It would be more successful in both cases, I think. I can see it, happen. He wouldn't be nominated, but he'd be long-listed for a Grammy next year. Okay, well, my mom is saying, it's loud. So, we've got to go.

I had to come to use my mom's computer record. So it's loud. So I've got to go. That's the best side-off possible. Everybody, give it up for Hudson Freeman and Clark Zonderman. Two incredible musicians and friends. They really gave it this. Go listen to their music.

We're going to put the links in the bayou. See y'all later.