Seeking Derangements - SD 3: Tiger Kings feat. brace belden

Episode Date: March 29, 2020

Ben and I lost our minds after watching the tiger doc so we had a jewish gun-owning podcaster talk about it with us. ///intro/// Richard Stepp - Caught Up In A Whirlwind (1979); ///outro/// the Alessi Bros. - You Can Have It Back (1976);

My Head's spinning and it feels like I'm falling Deeper in love with you Every time I see you I get caught up in this thing And it keeps taking me away It keeps taking me away I was just sitting here I was just sitting here

Now this is happening to me Ooh, I'm dizzy with emotion And I feel it You sweep me off my feet Whoa, whoa Whoa, whoa Here comes that crazy feeling Like what I

Caught up in a whirlwind Chased the two of us so big Okay. And we're here. We're live. Max and I both watched... Solo energy day. Max and I both watched... Solo energy day. Max and I both watched Tiger King,

the craze sweeping the quarantined nation right now. I loved it. I loved it. I thought it was great. I had it recommended to me from a lot of people, but never in really great detail. I was late to watching it because i originally i thought it was a reality television show and i i really hate netflix's reality programming um because you know like netflix really misses the mark about what makes great

reality television yeah particularly regarding gay people particularly regarding gay people but yeah like queer eye like just in just in general like all of netflix's reality programming is Particularly regarding gay people. Yeah, particularly regarding gay people. Yeah, like Queer Eye. Just in general, all of Netflix's reality programming is really aspirational. The fun part of participating in reality television is watching a bunch of crazy people try to kill each other. And watch all of their like you know vindictive uh scheming and with like netflix reality television they really like in like invert that that experience where it's like you have to feel like a piece of shit for watching it because you don't have any kind of like marginalized nymph sweeping into your life and like telling you like you know to cough your sleeves or whatever um so i was i was wary to watch it

because i really really disdain um netflix's reality television but thank god it wasn't it was um what would you call it it's a document a docu-series it was fun it was a great it was great fun like i can't really call it anything else like it doesn't seem like it like it was real like i would google joe exotic and i would half expect there to like not be any results because they didn't really believe it was real um yeah it's such an incredible story yeah it's a beautiful story um it has a lot to say about human nature um yeah no absolutely it's it's you know the human condition In seven parts I assume that everyone has seen it at this point

And I guess if you haven't Spoiler alerts are so Oh yeah big spoilers for Tiger King If you don't fucking care about spoiler alerts But hearing what happens in a TV show If you haven't watched that That's going to ruin your life You've got some bigger problems buddy

Folks if you haven't listened If you haven't listened or if you haven't watched that show yeah this podcast is not for you like you're you are not the audience for this show i really i think everyone's probably seen i think we're like the last two people i haven't seen it um uh yeah i mean where should we start you know it is about it's about this gay guy named joe exotic. I have some sympathies for Joe Exotic. I don't think anyone emerges from this show, from this whole ordeal,

as being a good person necessarily. I don't know if that's the point, but no one emerges looking good besides the himbo who kills himself and the other ones. Oh, yeah. It's not really revealed if he wanted to kill himself or it was just an accident.

It was probably an accident. Because the way that they frame it is... We're getting into big time spoilers now. Yeah, so Joe Exotic has... Okay, let's back up a little. Joe Exotic is a big cat breeder. He runs a petting zoo for tigers, which is really fucked up and evil. A petting cub zoo. There's also monkeys

and goats and shit there. There's a bunch of fucking animals. Rednecks with rosacea would go there and take pictures with these poor 12-week-old tiger cubs that by nature need to be taken care of, you know, at, you know, 16 weeks of age. Because that's when they get big and, you know, unmanageable. Yeah, it's really fucked. But, um, Jugg. It's absolutely fucked.

Like, there's no, in any of this, there are no good people. Like, not even the PETA lady. Because I'm pretty sure she also kills her. Like, there's no way that she's keeping all those fucking tigers. Yeah, so Joe Exotic runs this exotic cat, big cat petting zoo. And it's kind of, it's staffed by just people straight out of prison or off the street. Desperate people. just people straight out of prison or off the street, desperate people.

Two of these desperate people are 19-year-old straight guys who Joe kind of, I think, seduces into like a polyamorous relationship, which, you know, say what you want about that, but that is goals. Really keeping with what you would expect from a, you know, What you would expect from a, you know, bleach blonde, mulleted, pink sequined shirt, big cat, kind of, you know, amusement park owner. How could you be this kind of person and not also be Pauly with two 19-year-old methods you floored into your kingdom? Oh, my God. Well, I wasn't surprised in the least because I used to work at the buckle and we would have like a frequent buyer program, like a points program for people who got a credit card. And we had to deal with some real freaks there. Like I would have to, yeah, the buckle. Yeah. For those who don't know, I've mentioned this in the premium but um the buckle is like h&m for people who are like jokes at it like basically like

freaks from oklahoma from oklahoma who want to be poly yeah basically right uh we would sell like rvca like ruka shirts volcom that sort of thing, like into like Paxson type shit. And then also we would sell like in the same store or like an aisle over. It would be like pre-distressed like plaid shirts. Yeah. With like an extra layer underneath. So it looked like it was ripped, but you didn't actually show any skin. That's so cool. That's not exactly

joe yeah style though he's a bit more he's a bit more thrifty i think but yeah that's kind of it he's he's more genuine buying something that's pre-distressed i think he literally probably just like found clothes in in like bins and put them on well yeah because joe exotic is like much more ratchet than someone who would go and buy it. Like, it's not his style. But, you know, if he were to go out and buy stuff, he would go buy it at a buckle. Yeah, that'd be, like, a fancy store. I love his style.

He kind of has, like, a Lisa Frank on meth. Like, a methed out Lisa Frank aesthetic where it's all these you know bright colors he's got you know a bleached blonde uh mullet um amazing tattoos he's got he got his fourth husband's name Dylan tattooed on his neck which oh yeah goals again um I really I really like Joe He's a bad guy But he's got a heart He is an amazing internet bully He is really The reigning king of

Gay cyberbullying Everything up until the animal abuse Is goals You can't have You can't have the... You can't have conflict. Yeah, okay. Trust, like, yeah. Listener, trust us when we tell you that.

It evens out. Karma evens out. He's got a perfect clean slate for all of the wonders he's done for innovating gay cyberbullying that totally washes away the um perfect angel um but just i i want to his cyberbullying is is really hilarious um his his main oh he's so good in this uh in this whole saga i guess at the end of it, everyone's kind of his enemy. Carol Baskin. That bitch, Carol Baskin. That fucking cunt, Carol Baskin. He really is

Joe, you know, he knows how to pull a stunt. He knows how to put on a show. Really, really respect him for that. You know what I liked about this documentary more than another documentary That I know we've both watched The Hill Dock The Hill Dock sucked No no but this

This succeeds as a campaign documentary Where the Hill Dock Fails completely And totally Joe Exotic ran for This is an incredible Governor Ran for president, fucked up and then like ran for This is an incredible Governor Ran for president, fucked up, and then ran for governor instead

He's amazing And then immediately Gets Hammered for paying someone to go kill Carol Baskin in Florida It was a deep state operation To keep To keep him from becoming president.

But yeah, his main nemesis in this whole show, in this whole ordeal is Carol Baskin, who runs a big cat rescue, as she called it. Yeah, that's what it's called. We are both very anti-Carol, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it's called We are both very anti-Carol, I think, right? Yeah Yeah, no, I mean, she runs basically like a Constitutional camp for tigers Like, she is 100% killing those motherfuckers Like, after they're six months old

Or like, too old to like, care for She has, she does seem to have like kind of Baby hoarding tendencies i kind of think of her as like the hillary clinton clinton of the big cat world you know not only do they they look yeah and sound like like a lot alike like like creepily alike but uh just like hillary used the kind of like women's rights uh used women's rights as like a moral smokescreen for her own kind of like craven um pursuit of power like carol does the same thing with like animal rights you know like she's she cares way way way more about like being a martyr than she does like actually saving tiger cubs um that and they're also both surrounded by like mysterious deaths, mysterious, like advantageous deaths.

Oh, absolutely. That's another great parallel. Really? Like something, something cosmic is going on there. They look exactly alike. They both like,

they look very similar, but like Hillary Clinton has, like she's obviously been thinner for longer. Does that make sense? Carol? No, no, no. Hillary was thinner. Longer than Carol.

For longer. Hillary kept it tight. Carol's been a fat bitch for her entire life. No, Carol was really hot. Yeah, no, she was. There are pictures of her. She was really hot. Do you know how she met her...

Oh, hey, Bryce. Oh, we have a Jew in the chat. Okay.? Oh, hey, Brace. Oh, we have a Jew in the chat. Okay. Alarm, alarm, alarm. Jew has entered the chat. Jew spotted. Yeah, we can hear you. Yeah, we can hear you.

Brace Belden is here. Wait, let's... Initials BB. What's up? Hey, that's not the revolver. Oh. Wait, let's... Max, let's stop the Bracelet recording. Hey, that's not the revolver. Wait, Max, let's stop recording. Yeah. So we can get Bracelet.

Okay. I'll stop. I'm recording. All right. So welcome back. We have a new co-host, a new third mic. Hopefully, just for this episode, I would hate to take him away from his regular podcast. Ben, would you like to introduce this wonderful little man?

We've got Brace Belden of Truin on here. Welcome. Thanks for joining us. It's a pleasure to be here. Oh, yes, brother. We're talking about Tiger King. We're talking about Carole Baskin. That bitch Carole Baskin. She's a fucking cunt. I gotta say, whenever he

described her, I was like, I mean, God. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. The hatred of a woman in another state can bring out the most... That is what makes men lyrical. Yeah, even gay guys even gay

guys exactly look how passionate he was i know i loved all of the all of the online bullying i mean he did so much the thing where he blew up a sex doll and like put a wig on it and a name tag that said carol and then shot it in the head at one point he was just putting a dildo in a mouth of a sex doll and it was her. So cool. So pimp. This bitch's head's going to be in a jar and he like holds up. He's amazing. Amazing. Amazing man.

Really, you know, he paved a paved way for people like you and I, Max. I'll say that much. He rocks. Yeah. He walked so we could fly. 100%. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Because he's come on a gun. He has absolutely done that.

Absolutely taken a picture of it and sent it to his enemies. That's our milieu. Not only him, but he's probably made his partners do it too. So it's more come on the gun. 100%. Total king. Nothing but respect for

that honestly that's a yeah he's like white andrew gillum dude he's just fucking he's he's smoking fucking shards i feel like white banging dudes exactly um yeah no he's he's amazing and you know i i totally get why he he hates carol baskin um becausein because she is in no way like a better or more moral person than Joe is. You know, I think she has a bit of a vanity pursuit on her hands being like a martyr for like the Tiger Club movement or whatever. But, you know, Joe has a real heart that Carole doesn't.

I mean, even when you, I was thinking about, you know, when she talks about meeting her first husband who she she killed definitely killed this guy 100 like dad murdered been eaten by the tigers she doesn't really did she like barely tries to deny it oh yeah yeah she oh she did this um she was asked about by a reporter and she did this like hillary-esque like guffaw like oh i would never you know it's like okay you clearly yeah kill this guy and like if that were joe joe just would have like given you know given the camera a wink and maybe a little giggle and a twirl yes he's a

playful guy he's he's real um but when carol first met this guy her her millionaire husband who she killed she was walking she had gotten in a fight with her her current husband was walking around the streets aimlessly and this guy pulled up next to her in a car tried to get her to get in she didn't and then he handed her a gun and said you can hold this to me while we drive around i just need something to talk to can't move by the way is this just like how people met before the internet is that just like how people dated this is actually like what i've been like right before this came out i've been kind of on this thing where it's like the 100 the most effective way to not only get laid, but to have a woman fall in love with you, let them hold your gun.

Because if you invite them over and you show them, if you show them the gun. Brace has got his gun out. And you have it in your hand. You're like, hey, check this out. And you have it in your hand. The first five seconds, especially most urban women. You know what we're talking, especially most urban women.

You know, we're talking about white women. Urban women. No, no. I'm talking specifically about like thin white women here. Most urban women will have not like seen one before. And so they're like, oh, he's going to shoot me. And then for like five seconds, they think you're going to kill them. Then you hand it to them. And then for five seconds for the first time in their life They have the ultimate like ability to kill you little beating switch there also chemical reaction

It's completely safe too because white women are too too weak to pull the trigger Yeah And God, I'll never grease the gun Absolutely. Well Twitter fingers do not turn to trigger fingers in white women. This is a well-known fact. No, I thought that was cool, too. Like I was like, yeah, that's that's like too sweet for her. Yeah, absolutely.

I don't think I don't think had it not been for the bad actors surrounding him, Jeff, like the guy that Joe got into business with to save his fledgling zoo um zoo he got into business with this guy named Jeff who's you know clearly a con man um I don't think had it not been for Jeff and those other people surrounding Joe that Joe would have actually like gone through with uh a transfer of money to go kill Carol I think I think Joe is you know very happy to just have this kind of long-standing enemy that actually never met any demise you know I think he really enjoyed that

she's his heel and she loved it too they loved it and it's like when Joe got arrested and her and her little fucking cock husband popped a champagne split. Yeah.

Like that was the moment I was just like, oh, God, she should have been whacked. My God. Yeah. She was like, oh, we had it. We had a champagne and brie that night. That's like nasty. Like the hot Florida sun. Fuck you.

I know. Disgusting. And you know, they're talking about Nookie as well. Like they're talking about fucking that night. They had sex. he blew her back out Nasty Jackhammering Carol She totally domed him

Totally I think technically I'm not so sure I can imagine her being on top Just physically Speaking She would have broken his back If that happened I don't know, I think this does show us just physically speaking. She would have broken his back if that happened.

I don't know. I think this does show us that anyone who is into big cats has some kind of like, it's like a sexual pathology. What was up with that other guy? Like this sort of like hippie guy. Yes, that guy's insane. I feel like they were talking about he had a sex cult at one point. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That did not get looked into enough. No. Absolutely not. The guy who is like Bhagavan or something. He has some kind of like. Yes, Bhagavan. Bhagavan. No, absolutely running a sex cult.

Absolutely. 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They didn't really show his cats. No, they're all freaks. These are all just like perverts and freaks. And Joe is the only one who isn't ashamed of it, I think. Yeah.

Joe is queering the big cat industry. I mean, he was just surrounded by a bunch of dykes and neurodivergent. He's queering and jokifying it. Yeah, he was amazing his like he had like he was the only person who was just like he's just got like a freak menagerie with yeah menagerie with them yeah one-handed lesbian woman i know and like he he was you know he treated these people really poorly it seems like very poor extremely poor They had to like eat a bunch of expired Walmart meat. But, you know, I do feel compelled to just defend Joe in this array of just horrible people because he is the least worst. And I think he he would be the only one to like actually have a come to Jesus moment where he does admit that he's done bad things, even at the end of the documentary. He's the only one who's like really defensible at all.'s redeemable he's the only one of them who could yeah absolutely

he because you can tell there's something like good in there oh absolutely yeah like it's easy yeah and at the end of it he does he does have somewhat of a of a redemption where he not really redemption but it's a little bit of self-awareness where he says, you know, I had two chimps kept in cages for ten years, and I deprived them of being chimpanzees, which is like way more than, you know, Carol's never going to be like, yeah, I killed my husband. I shoved my husband through a meat

grinder. Never going to admit that. Fed him to tigers. Crashed his plane. Jeff, the billionaire, or the millionaire, the fake millionaire with the mansion from Vegas. Jeff, he's the worst one, I would say. By far. And not just because of his alternative sexuality,

but because... The first, when it was super incongruous, when he first appeared, he has this quote where he's like, you gotta show him the pussy to get a little pussy. Yeah. And like he looks so like shame faced when he says it. Like he can't even be proud.

Yeah. Literally trading sex for Instagram photos of Tiger. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's he's total just just sickening man. And at the end when he talks about his wife is is pregnant. Yes. And he has a mate. He's like talking about getting a nanny oh my god he just has this like instagram thought uh being like yeah well if she's gonna be in my house i want to have something good to look at

right it's like ew like you don't you don't even actually believe this you're just this is just all a show you're putting on like for the cameras which that is like if you're just gonna be like a piece of shit guy like at least like at, at least you could enjoy it and not just be this big put-on to convince real men that you are just as much of a piece of shit as them. The most insane thing about that scene was his wife's like,

oh yeah, this one's bilingual. Maybe she can teach our daughter some of that. She couldn't even bring herself to say a foreign say, a foreign language or, like, an actual foreign language like Spanish. Exactly, because she's either Filipino. Yeah, exactly. She's Ukrainian. I couldn't tell, but she's definitely either Filipino or one of Max's cousins.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no. And, you know, like, it cuts back to Jaffer, whatever his name is, and he's just looking at her like, uh-huh. He puts the phone to the camera. Yeah, he puts the phone to the camera. It's like this banging 8 out of 10 chick, you know? Of course.

Nothing but respect. She's just Instagram thought. She probably has no nanny in qualification. 19-year- yeah she's she's a mua she's has never taken care of a child i just don't get it because it's like what i don't understand is like trading sex with jeff because it's like i i get it if someone's like okay looking or whatever at least young or like you know built or something people will be like, I'll fuck this guy in exchange for something. Like that's not really worth it. But like, you know, I'm here in Las Vegas.

But the exchange here is petting a tiger cub? Horrible. What? Horrible. Tiger cubs aren't even cool. Like they can't do anything. They just cry. That's the whole thing.

It's like, I don't have tiger fever. Like I don't. Yeah. Who cares? I don't get that either. I, when all these people all these like yeah like oklahoma and like rednecks it's like well wait what is the draw here that you gotta pet a tiger cub why is that something you people care about it's like don't you all have

your own farms and shit like exactly like what is this it's so strange but i don't even think jeff had sex with those girls and like going back to like all those pictures of him in bed with yes you know thoughts i don't think he had sex with those girls. And like going back to like all those pictures of him in bed with these thoughts, I don't think he had sex with them. I think he was literally just doing it for the picture. I can see that. Yeah. Oh, sort of like I'll trade you a picture with my tiger cub that I keep in a suitcase. Yeah.

If we all lay in bed together. If you make it look like we fucked. Yeah. He has that kind of like, I think he has that kind of like Trumpian thing where it's like. That's even more nasty. I don't want to have sex. I'm like actually like afraid of sex. I just want everyone to think that I'm like. Yeah. I'm surrounded by like bombshells. thing where it's like, I don't want to have sex. I'm like actually afraid of sex. I just want everyone to think that

I'm surrounded by like bombshells. Well, it's funny. It's funny when his wife announced she was pregnant. My immediate thought was with nothing to back this up. I was just like, it's a surrogate or not a surrogate. It's like another dude's like they got like a donor

or something. Yeah, he looks like he was like, yeah, absolutely. He's like 65 years old. Yeah. He looks like he was shoot blanks. Yeah, absolutely. He's like 65 years old. Yeah. And Joe, Joe at one point was like pissed off at it.

Like, this is like one of the, uh, like those like fuzzy audio clips from a prison phone. And Joe's like, no one even lacks Jeff. He's bald. He's ugly. He was totally dragging him.

Extremely bald because he not only had the bald guy's bandana He also had the baseball hat Yeah No hair left He could have at least stopped it out and gone Okay I'm going to shave all my hair Or whatever But he still has that dirt bag goatee that doesn't even grow well

I know Pathetic It's weird I've known a lot of Guys who've been in prison Or like just like criminal guys But they're not like very good at it You know like kind of like losers Basically like not on his level

But like the same kind of family as that guy Sure Like a family of criminal And they all have that like weird style Like they hate black people But they're like I'm gonna dress like Like they hate black people, but they're like, I'm going to dress like, like what I just imagined black people dress like. It's like really like weird,

like jeans. It's all wiggers. Yeah. Yeah. But it all, like kind of like kid rock kind of thing. Yeah. It's like black people filtered through racist white people.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, totally. But like 20 years older the only

one with good style in the entire documentary is joe you know it's impeccable carol carol i fucking hate carol's her little fucking headbands everything's tiger print like calm down lady she's constantly just like making these gestures towards like being this you know like really kind of like twee like almost like ditzy like uh just uh loving a bleeding heart where it's like you're doing you're leaning into this so much you clearly have got something to hide you know yeah i think that was joe's biggest point of one of joe's biggest points of like frustration with carol is is the the kind of like really shitty mirage she would try to pull as maybe you know guilt for shoving her husband. Killing her husband. Yes. And feeding them to her

that's the thing is like okay Joe killed five tigers which again like I don't know what the circumstances around that were. He literally could have just put down sick animals. I don't know. Yeah. But because if he just got killed everyone he got mad at there would be a lot more bodies. But like it's it's she you know, you can tell this lady's fucking just euthanizing with a needle. It's like, what's the fucking difference? Yeah. You know?

Yeah. It's also she's fucking horrible looking. Her growth like a puffer fish. Yeah. Awful. I think it's just, I think, you know, if Hillary didn't exist,

I probably wouldn't hate Carol as much as I do, but it's impossible to not see the parallels there. They literally could be, they're like blood sisters in this. 100%. She was definitely,

Carol's probably sacrificing baby tigers. She was doing some blood rituals on the baby cubs. Carol could use some fucking adrenochrome i couldn't excuse me that's the coven i couldn't tell if anyone i have no idea the ages of a single person that appeared it was impossible in that entire documentary it's impossible like carol could be 35 or 55 i don't't know. It was impossible. That is just what people look like outside of the coast, though.

I'm from Iowa, and even in rural Iowa, that's all what people look like. People say, oh, this is because of meth. People look like this because of meth, and that's actually not true. It's poverty. That's just what poor people look like, and no one understands that. Of course, there was a lot of like math going on in this in this documentary but more than anything it's like

people just look like that because they're poor and like destitute and not because of of math and just like oftentimes those things go hand in hand but yeah you know that's you're right what anyone's age you're you're right because because if you look at the documentary, I think pretty much all of them come from fairly poor backgrounds, except for Bhagavan, for Doc. Yeah. And he looks... Oh, where was he from?

I don't know if I... It doesn't really go into it a lot, but it's just like, yeah, his dad owned some company or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some video rental store or something. It wasn't that but like something along those lines like a very small businessman who was able to like pay for his kids like dipshit like oh i i want to live with the tigers now you know that sort of bullshit

like i want to be one with nature uh but um but yeah and he's like the only one who looks i don't want to say normal because he looks like a fucking freak but he looks like a coastal leaf he he doesn't have the he doesn't have like poverty uh sort of you know face he doesn't look gone no no he's got like middle class guy face yeah he's got like the bulbous torso of a middle class american male he's never he's never looked gaunt no no yeah he he was the one who needed to be investigated oh he oh absolutely was definitely doing like the worst shit there and like it was um i think joe said this at one point in the documentary he's like you know i've got i've got what i've i'm doing here you know it's like i'm hiring you know poor people and

you know explain whatever but like he was like i i'm a bit more ramshackle than um bagavan or whatever he's like he's more upscale and he's he's got a bigger bigger operation there um and then later on when joe is in prison and all of his closest allies have have flipped on him and have you know talking to the fbi um when joe when joe forms a kind of allegiance with PETA to bring down the entire big cat trade. So cool. King. So cool. Love that.

Yes. Pimp move right there. It's the Peter Dow move. So good. Yeah, and it works every time. It literally works every time. But when he talks to PETA, he's like, yeah, Bhagavan is putting cubs after they've gotten out of petting age into

a gas chamber and greenating them he's like he's with auschwitz of uh tiger petting zoos or whatever and then he gets the bagavan gets raided and i think shut down i think that's what happens oh shit i didn't i mean it's a it's just, like, it's a text at the end of the show. There's no, like, camera footage of it or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say it's astounding how much footage they got of Joe. Yeah, it's crazy. I was like, how long were they fucking filming this document?

I know some of it's from his own, like, tapes, even though he blew up most of those, it looked like. But like but apparently he had back like he must have had back of some sort yeah i think he had backups of the footage that he filmed himself but i think he he this was a point of uh multiple perspectives in the um in the documentary itself where there was the reality show of Joe put on by that producer guy, that guy who just is like smoking. That guy rocks. That guy is great. That guy is great.

But Joe blew up. I would say it's pretty clear that Joe blew up. That guy knows how many children the DNC has fucked. Absolutely. That guy was the closest thing to a Jew on the show, so he's the guy who most of them... Carol's husband was a little... I guess he was just nebbish and annoying.

That doesn't necessarily mean Jewish. And rich. Carol's husband is a youth pastor, nebbish. The reality show producer grew, like, you know, grew up in New York City at least, so he's, like... Carol's husband is, like, Nick Flanders.

He had a pederast vibe, though. Yeah. Oh. He had, like, the gaunt body of a pederast. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, they kill that bitch. Like, they both.

Yeah. They both. Both need to be taken out. God, we got to find Joe's other husband. Like, his only... Dylan. The guy that's still with him, Dylan. Dylan.

Yeah, Joe has Dylan's name tattooed right on his neck and cursive, which I think is really sweet. Um, Joe's bullet hole tattoos. I know. I know. Good. He's so, he's just so cool.

I mean, it's undeniable. It's undeniable. Like he, you know, he knows what he's doing. You know, that like he knows that people are going to make fun of him and he's totally

leaning into it. You know, I, I really do. Um, I do empathize with, with Joe. I think think max you and i are both in the same vein of like sure evil gay guy um death the death threats online and whatever it

may be um but you know i i think you know he's a gay guy from rural oklahoma got kicked out of the out of his house when he was young he his father joe's dad made joe shake his mom's hand and agreed to never be at his funeral it's just like it's so backwater but that's so insane i yeah i i get where joe is is coming from and you know i think when you are kind of getting in these very like maybe like constricted um you're confines right you have to sublimate it into these insane uh hobbies yeah this is very obviously his escape yeah yeah yeah the tigers were his his escape from from early on and um yeah he just he couldn't he couldn't give that up and i think he got lost if it's clearly because like he just couldn't be like he he

like just didn't go to like New York or anything at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Because he didn't belong there. He was he was too ahead of the times. Exactly. And he he paved his own way. I really I admire Joe in spite of all of the the animal.

Well, I think I think in addition, like, I mean, having his arsenal and sort of having a compound, those can really be factors that change a man. Ben, did your position ever get filled after you got fired? At the campaign? Yeah, the campaign. Oh, that's a shame. Do you think Bernie could put in a little word? My role was filled, but I don't know if my shoes were filled. I don't know if they got another psychotic gay guy to do the work I was doing.

I don't think so. Bernie Sanders, if you're listening, and I'm sure you are, there is a skinny little man in Oklahoma State Prison who is... Yeah, yeah. Clemency. Yeah. little man in Oklahoma State Prison who is... Clemency. I loved Joe's multiple runs for election office.

Oh, classic. His libertarian campaign manager. So insane. That rocked. Who's just like traumatized from hanging out with Joe. He saw a guy shoot his head off. Oh, yeah. He saw a guy traumatized from hanging out with Joe and just like blasting a fucking CD pen. Oh yeah! He saw a guy die.

I'm afraid you've got Joe's husband below his brain. I know. That's in like, okay, that's what was happening on the campaign for Joe's, I think it was his presidential run. Imagine how many people died on the Hillary campaign run, just as an aside.

I mean, this is how the one campaign. Super cut of like 500 people being a gun to death. Doing exactly that. The other Joe campaign is sending millions of others to die and did so this month. To little fanfare, of course. uh to little fanfare of course but yeah joe joe exotic's uh multiple runs for office were like probably set a record for the least amount of dead people surrounded by them yeah i'd rather have joe exotic in the opal office than joe biden for sure absolutely and he i think at one point his his uh gubernatorial run was actually like, he could have won.

Or at the very least, gotten a lot more votes than he actually ended up getting, which was still quite a lot. He got 20%. He got 20%? Yes, he got 20% of the vote for Oklahoma governor, which is, I think, third place. That's insane. He could have gone further. It was a close race. Joe Exotic absolutely could have won further. It was a close race. He absolutely, Joe Exotic absolutely

could have won had he had any kind of like competent leadership or campaign structure. If he was 10 years younger, he could have absolutely A, gone all the way, lost it like Lake Clinton

in Arkansas and then got in again and then like gone to be president. He could have been what, you know, Bernie been what you know you know bernie sanders um you know successors instead of aoc who's who's a big time liberal much much prefer that um but there are all of these all this footage of him running for governor and they are

talking to the the townsfolk of wynette or whatever um or just i guess just around oklahoma because it was a statewide race. And the things that people were saying about Joe Exotic were the same exact things they were saying about Donald Trump in 2016. They're like, yeah, he tells it like it is. He's one of us. There was a real... He really could

have seized on that and won and then probably really quickly been impeached and imprisoned regardless. Why not? Absolutely, 100%. He did steal a lot of money. He did embezzle quite a lot.

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing I really respect about pretty much every single person whose face appears in this documentary in any capacity, is that they're all just stealing the same limited amount of money. Dude, imagine the $ three thousand dollars for killing three thousand dollars You can literally just work two months at like a shitty job Like 2001 like Honda Civic or something like they'll barely that'll barely cover gas to Florida

Okay, that's if that's how much it costs to kill someone let me say there would be a lot of fuck it i'll do it for 2000 the world be a much different place a lot less podcast oh yeah probably for the best huh huh um but i i tiger king um watch it you know a beautiful beautiful piece of a film yeah if you don't want to watch it on netflix uh pirate it we're we're fine with that right okay don't give a shit i don't know if yeah i feel like why would you even bother pirates to be on netflix if you can't get a free netflix oh yeah absolutely but if you're like it's like if you're one of those guys who's like oh I hate Netflix I'm not going to give them any traffic there's like two or three of them that I know online yeah those people exist and they're insane wait what is the

what's Netflix it's like child labor or something what is yeah no I mean it's it's someone who's like completely and totally obsessed with like uh oh they're like film people yeah exactly who are like oh fuck off shut the hell up i hate films yeah please yeah i never watch them okay i haven't i haven't been watching any movies in in quarantine sorry max i've been watching uh project runway and um King. Well, I do have my hard drive. This is... What is it? It's all movies, right?

But it looks quite similar to my hard drive where I keep all my porno. I was about to say, how come it's just labeled CP? Yeah, it means cool films with a P. Oh, I got it. It's like one of those urban things. I got you. Yeah, I know. I got a little external hard drive here. I should just slap a child porn label on it. How's your quarantine going, Brace? Are you keeping it together?

I'll tell you. I think I'm doing probably better than any other man in America right now. Oh, yeah. I'm great. Wonderful. I'm doing probably better than any other man in America right now I'm great Wonderful I've got first of all heavily armed So I don't feel uncomfortable I've seen you hold up two different guns How many guns have you got They're all within reach of me right now I have

Many I got a little Joe Exotic piece What's up A bandolier it's for the belts but it's very uncomfortable to wear so right uh but yes no i'm so and i finally like it's like not inappropriate for me to just like keep them on the desk either even though it's like when someone someone comes in my house it's like you live alone i'll be glad to see him there's no no one running around that apartment no i apartment No I live with my girlfriend But I don't

They don't tend to like it Well no Listen if a woman's going to shoot me It would have happened to many girlfriends It's been time for that Absolutely But I've just been I've spent a lot of time

In various detoxes, rehabs, jail, and I was in a cult when I was a kid for a while. Hell yeah. And most of that is just waiting around in rooms with way less shit than I have. I got a living room. I got a bedroom, and I got a kitchen. That's three different rooms I can go into. I got a million books. You sound it's i don't have a job well none of us do no one does no one has a job anymore no one needs a job either i was saying my my personal carol has got to become scott

bixby um 100 but i was i was saying that they should they should uh name corona scott bixby disease because it's put everyone out of work and everyone hates it. Well, did you see that? So I got, unfortunately, my podcast Twitter account got locked for like a while because I posted pictures of the inside of his apartment. Yes, thank you.

One thing that I think a lot of people didn't realize is that there's a leather refrigerator. Yes, I saw that immediately. That was insane. Excuse me? A cow hide refrigerator. Yeah. What? didn't realize is that there's a leather refrigerator yes i saw that immediately that was insane refrigerator yeah what yeah it's like a regular like 50s that's animal abuse oh my god yeah i mean my exactly that's worse than anything anyone in joe exotic did oh my god it's a refrigerator yeah i don't know i've never listened dumbo is one of those places where it's like is this real i don't like is there's no way that i still i would never move to someone you're in new york now right yeah i'm in chinatown dumbo as as i hear is not that far away um michael i've been taking a lot of

stupid little you know walks yes and i might i might go take one of them down to uh dumbo and uh see what i find um you should give him a kiss yeah i'm just gonna just give him a little little sweet kiss on the forehead um my quarantine's going okay um i have a bunch of neighbors upstairs to keep partying like a like like at 12 o'clock like every every night like i'll just there's just i just hear shrieking people going up the stairs, and, like, they will start partying in the apartment above me. And, like, they just, they play, like, the worst music. They're playing, like, Tame Impala and, like, Toroi Maw or whatever. It's, like, you people, you're all willing to die and, like, spread this virus so you can pretend it's, like, 2012.

Yeah. That's insane. In an indie movie. Dying for Japan droid. Oh, no. I could never, never. Never. What have you been, like,

you got roommates? What's your situation? I am here alone. I'm in a three bedroom apartment alone. I came here to see a friend and just, you know, hang out in in new york and then corona hit and um the girls that were living here all fled back to their respective

um homes abroad and um i have just uh taken up occupancy just me here oh so do you actually live there yet are you just like no i'm just crashing here i was gonna get a place but it's like i'm not why would I get a place now? Yeah, no point. Just wait until some people and some apartments open up. And the housing market crashes. Exactly. Yeah, so if anyone out there has a roommate who's coughing,

maybe looks a little sick, hit me up. We'll see how that goes, and you might have me moving in with you soon. But, yeah, quarantine's fine i've kind of accepted it now um as just what's gonna be happening uh max how about how about you have your parents found out that you're gay yet my parents don't know i'm gay yet so we are still parents really not know you're no they they do know i'm gay but i have another another gay brother right who came out like i have one gay brother no you have two you have two gay brothers no no i have one gay brother i have one gay brother and how many brothers total are there we are three together three boys so they're like that third one

oh yeah a lot riding on him wait to see yeah well this are the youngest there's a lot of hope riding on him but uh i think it's misplaced. I mean, he has a Jewish girlfriend. Who knows if he's going to have a kid? Yeah, he has a Jewish girlfriend. Is he younger than you or older than you? Older than me. Does she have big titties?

She has big titties, yes. Yes! She's a big, well, not big, but she is a blonde Jewish girl from New Jersey who lives in Miami. Her dad's a dentist and, you know, they're good money. Well, good. I mean, your parents

do deserve at least one normal child. Yeah, yeah. They deserve a grandkid eventually. But yeah. Oh my God. Having a gay brother

would suck. It does suck because he's really hot. He's incredibly hot. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've seen pictures. He is really hot. Damn. And he. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've seen pictures. He is really hot. Damn.

And he's also like a trophy boyfriend. Yeah. Is he like muscly? Yes. Ooh. Yeah. He's kind of like a, I'm trying to think of like a Mario Lopez kind of. Yeah, sure.

Why not? He's Mario Lopez with like, you know, more muscles more muscles i guess and a better jawline i'm sure he has work done do your parents blame each other for like yeah how does that happen i mean for you guys being like like do they like ever like like whose fault is it yeah that's a good question i don't know um i'm i'm thinking they probably blame my parents yeah Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Because he's older. He's an older gay brother, so he corrupted you. No, I don't think it's that either, because we weren't that open with each other about it.

I think I was the most open about my sexuality, because my older brother just went completely ham. In college, would fuck and wouldn't tell my parents. He was on Grindr and everything. Well, you probably shouldn't tell your parents yeah exactly and so like he was having that kind of sex in in in college so like very obviously like wouldn't tell his parents about it and when he finally got a boyfriend uh like he was just like uh like he came out like really badly just like oh you want to hear a joke? Ha ha. You know, that kind of thing. Like was not going to end well, you know, at any point.

How'd you do it? Yeah. I sat him down and told him, you know, like how you're supposed to. You came out after? Yeah. You know my brother? I'm like him, but uglier. Yeah, exactly.

Oh. I mean, actually, that probably made them feel better about it since. Yeah, yeah. If it put an emphasis on me being uglier, then I could be like, well, I'm not pulling any pussy. So like. It's just a theoretical thing anyway. Don't worry about me.

Yeah. I'm a gay incel. Mom and dad. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Well, this is the age of the incel. Everyone a gay incel a mom and dad yeah don't worry about it don't worry about it yeah well this is this is the age of the incel everyone's an incel now of course well because of quarantine yeah everyone is it's amazing yeah it's really sad um it's really fucked up yeah i think i think new york has to send i don't know if you guys have this in you're in san francisco

and you're in sacramento i don't know if you have that. These like text alerts the city will send out. But we get them from New York. And New York really needs to send one like to gay guys and be like, do not fuck. Oh, yeah. Stop fucking. Grindr should be shut down. Like that is. Yeah, I was about to say like they should like just like maybe put a halt on it.

It's been a public health risk for a very long time. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, zero. None of that talk. I'm not paying Grindr $15 a month for Grindr. I'm kidding. It costs money? Grindr Gold? Grindr Extra costs like $15 a month.

It's insane. And there's like- What perks do you get? You get to filter. You get to have a filter. It's like, I really want to see. It's really psycho. You can like filter guys based off their height

their weight oh yeah i thought it was like filters for your age no no no no no no no no just just a little bit of like race sciencey stuff yeah yeah well i know that's like a thing where like guys are like no black guys yes that's like a big thing like no asians no asians no fat guys no blacks yeah there's a lot's a lot of that stuff on there It does get very racist There are a lot of different kind of Asians In this world, okay Don't write everyone off

But yeah, it's really fucked They need to completely shut it down We need a complete and total shutdown of Grindr Until we figure out what the hell is going on We should also stop circumcisions Yes This anti-circ pod 100% until we figure out what the hell is going on. We should also stop circumcisions. Yes. Oh, yeah. For sure.

This anti-circ pod. Anti-circ pod. 100%. You know, in San Francisco, they almost banned it, but then the guy who was leading the effort or whatever, he put out a comic book, and in the comic book, it was called Circumcision, or Foreskin Man,

and Foreskin Man was a blonde Aryan. Ooh, what's up with like uh with like a very you know nice face and muscles and that stuff and like a superhero costume and the bad guys are orthodox jews hot hot the bad guys that's what i like to hear the comics so i'm so i'm so mad i never got an original copy of it that's hilarious okay it was so fun everyone's just like wait oh this is why shit that's insane oh my god well i mean i can't sorry just not just to go back to this because this does sound like a horrible challenge i can't imagine having to come out to your parents with already having a gay sibling beat you to the punch that

the that really sucks because you don't get the attention like you don't get the drama of it you don't get the you don't get anything but i i actually never got the chance uh to come out i guess in the way that most people would think of it um i was outed by my own mother um in a sense because i was my mom always wanted a gay kid um very very clear um she's my mom's a a gay kid. Very, very clear. She's, my mom's a bit of a Carol. She's kind of a martyr. She's never, never made any real sacrifice.

I won't get into dragging my mother on this podcast, but she, I was in my teen basement bedroom as most people, most, most parents, you know, let their kid migrate down to the basement when they become masturbating age. And I was in the basement kind of like on my stomach with my feet in the air reading Perks of Being a Wallflower when I was like 15. You little faggot. Oh, my God. It's such a fact. And my mom, this is after like you know weeks of fighting her asking me to please stop doing uh drugs and i and she came down and she was like ben are you

are you gay and i remember just being like jerusalem like look at me like look at like i am on my stomach like just like my feet like, my feet, like, you know, kicking in the air, reading Parks and the People, Wallflower, and I was just, like, yeah. And so that's it. That was the only drama or, you know, the only fun I got out of it was just claiming to be outed by my mother. Oh, no. Did your dad even get mad or anything?

My dad was, like, a little little frustrated but he ended up not really caring that much i had i've been taking care of my father's whole my my whole life he doesn't know how to fucking read english so you know it's like hey do you want someone to write your fucking uh contracting bills you can't kick me out of the house he's from costa rica oh which is in tiger you guys are both latinx Yes we're both Latinx He passes much better than I do Yeah I'm a white passing I'm the only non-corny white Latino

So many white Latinos are the fucking Worst They suck so much It's not even that they're all Cubans They all have this hang up They're all so concerned with Being racist Like not being like they're all so concerned with like being racist or something like i i saw this

like not being racist or being racist like not being viewed as racist because they they feel like they i think they have like a guilt for like being white and like needs like overcompensate that with being like some woke because spoiler alert they were really fucking racist in the country they were coming from like Especially if they were Cubans. So what you guys are saying is to sort of even the odds, I should be racist against white Latinos. Yes. You have an obligation as a real

white person to put them in their place. Everyone hates white Latinos. Non-white Latinos hate white Latinos. White people... Well, I guess white people probably really like white Latinos because because then they can just oh they just like i don't know they can have a poc friend um you know i saw this this this tweet that really pissed me off because i've been incredibly bored here just you know getting getting mad at the internet real joe exotic vibes um but i saw this tweet that was like as a white latino i hear so much racism because people

think i'm white like i was talking about making brownies and mexican brownies and this white guy was like oh what does that mean you're gonna put drugs in them and it's and it's like yeah that's what it fucking means fucking racist that's that's cool you're a fucking disgrace to mexicans if you're not putting drugs in all of the food you're cooking are you kidding me also there's no such fucking thing as a mexican brownie what are you fucking talking about you add cinnamon and red pepper flakes to brownies and that's what that what is but also i fucking really fucking doubt that that's any mexican yeah i don't i don't know many mexicans i don't personally i don't really like mexicans but central americans max gonna test to this we don't we don't really we Mexicans. Personally, I don't really like Mexicans. But Central Americans,

Max can attest to this. We don't really, we have a bit of an unfavorable view of Mexicans. Yeah, good mano y mano, as we would say. Oh, because you guys can't get in through. Yeah, yeah. Mexico is the Americas. Well, for me, it goes much further back.

In the 1820s, right after the Spanish let those colonies free, the Mexicans invaded Central America and took Chiapas and most of Guatemala for their own. And eventually we repelled them, but there's still that antagonism. Since 1821, it's going to be 200 years in a couple months. The Reconquista of Mexico. That's right.

By the El Salvadorians. Oh, yeah. But there's all this funny infighting among Central Americans. I mean, my aunt will text me. One of my... Mi tia Sandra will text me. And once... I forget the date, but it's once a year.

And she always... This was... It's a commemorative text of the Nicaraguan-Costa Rican war. Costa Rica did not have a military, Nicaragua did. But Costa Rica defended their borders with a bunch of farmers with machetes. And she'll text me and she'll remind me to sharpen my machete once a year in case nicaraguans try to invade again um but in in tiger king they they were talking about coast not to go back to tiger king but i forgot to bring that up do you remember that max where they were talking about going to costa rica to start a zoo

there uh-huh yeah a zoo yeah yeah uh carol's dad carol's murdered husband was going to go to costa rica to open up a big cat zoo there which is well carol's former husband was going to go to Costa Rica to open up a big cat zoo there, which is just... Well, Carol's former husband was also fucking around with the Costa Rican girl. Yeah. Oh. I don't remember any of that. I'm surprised that I remember it because I was fucking blasted. I watched most of it in one night. I watched it all last night and I was really high. That entire Costa Rica thing. Yeah, they just use Costa Rica as this insane playground for themselves.

It's like there's so many like big cats already existing that you're going to ship a bunch of tigers to open up a zoo and pay a bunch of like, you know, compañeros to like run it. I don't know. Just stay the fuck out of Costa Rica, please. Go to Panama instead. Go there to open a bar bar go to panama that's already been american colony um i would love to go to panama panama's a lot of fun yeah it sounds great what is it just one town yeah i mean it basically is yeah panama city which is like it's like i think it's like where the canal is um it's like miami they like use american currency it's a resort it's like one big cabo uh yeah yeah my union my union has all the uh the pilots and the dock workers

there for the canal but when there was a uh i could say this yeah no one's no one's listening um they uh no well that's not that but i don't think anyone in the ILWU is. But there was some, let's say, some problems with the ballots that came back from Panama. Oh, damn. Yeah. What a surprise that elections in Central America are fraudulent or not completely kosher. Is Noriega good or bad? Noriega. Max,her. Is Noriega good or bad? Huh? Noriega.

Max, any takes on Noriega? He's not here nor there. Come see him, sir. He's all right. He's all right. Generally, yeah. He's chill. As far as Central American countries go, though,

the bar there is not particularly high. Yeah, no, no, no. But Bukele, the Salvadoran president, has been doing a lot of good shit with coronavirus. Yeah, they suspended rent. Yeah. I mean, for people who do have coronavirus, like if you don't, you still have to pay rent.

But for the people who are affected by the disease, they put in a rent moratorium. Utilities are free, or not free, but like free of charge. They've put in tanks in the streets, like APCs. Are there people

to look at? Number one, yes, but number two, they're supposed to check your driver's license and if you're a certain amount of distance away from the house they have registered. The military is in San Francisco. They're in like every major city now, right? The National Guard.

I mean, they've been mobilized, but I haven't seen any troops or anything. I think they just mobilized them. I don't know where. There's a National Guard base not too far from here. This is where they had the Air Force base where basically all the first infections really came from. But it's not like

New York. I heard they're hunting down New Yorkers in Rhode Island. Yes, as they should. That's part of the reason I didn't leave. I don't want to spread the virus. Where would I go? Back to my parents' house and get them sick? And just like, I feel like if you were in New York at one time and then you leave, like on a plane, like they're going to keep track of that shit.

For sure. No, they already are. Yeah. So yeah, no, no, I'm going to stick it out in New York here. What's the streets like there? Like, what's the streets like there like is it what's the what's the vibe well my i i'm on a pretty busy street in chinatown i spend a fair amount of the day on the balcony there's not that many people out like way less than there should be it's eerie um it's kind of dystopic but you know everyone on the street is talking about coronavirus and what they're

going to do um Everyone's freaking out. Manhattan's empty. There's not a lot of traffic. But I'm also walking around at really weird hours because, like, my waking hours are, like, 3 p.m. to, like, 6 a.m. Classic. You're on that Joe Exotic. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brace, you should do a, like a tutorial on how to shoot a gun.

I was thinking of doing it on our Twitch stream, but unfortunately, I don't think you can do that. I mean, you can, but you'd have to be endorsed to shoot it. Oh, I'll just shoot. Yeah, just shoot the ceiling. I got a.22, too. Shoot out your window. I got a.22. That thing can't go very far. I got a.22, too. Shoot out your window. Shoot out the window, exactly.

I got a.22. That thing can't go very far. I got a brick house next to me. It'll be fine. I've never shot a gun. I really want to shoot a gun. It's so easy. Dude, children do it.

This might be. I've seen children do it. Well, a lot of kids do. A lot of kids shoot guns. I want a little tiny lady gun. Oh, yeah. Keep in mind. Saturday night special.

My ass. Yeah. To defend yourself. Pointing a loaded gun at somebody is the best feeling in the world. Oh, yeah. Total power over. Thank you. That's it from your favorite quarantiners here.

Brace, thanks for coming on the pod. Thank you for having me. Brace, you're a legend. You're a queen. You have a big pussy. You have the past. You're the baddest in America. Fat Pussy Brace, thanks for coming on again. Bye everyone. Stay safe. Stay safe. Stay indoors. Don't jack off too much. Don't do it at all.

Save it for later. Save it for when the revolution comes in you'll absolutely need it just save it for the first little bit of little taste you get a little poontang immediately out like in June save it for June 15th

fellas get on Grindr in June. Oh, my God. I'm leaving in the morning and I'd really like to say That I wish that you would come and that I would stay We can't always get what we want Ooh, but I know what I'd like to say Think of years and all the tears that brought us to today And I wonder was it worth it

The pain and the sorrow Maybe our love's gone to the dogs But I know What I'd like to say You can have it bad Can I back you up? Ooh, you can have it bad

Oh yeah It shouldn't be hard for you To get over our love You shouldn't be hard for you to get over our love You should fry a deer, be so bold Baby, it's over, over It's over So in any way

What I'd like to say Is you can have it back Can I beg your love? You can have it back Oh yeah Even in the morning Oh I can't have it that way

You can have it that way Can I back your love back? Can I back your love back? You can have it bad Give it up, give it up You can have it bad Give it up, give it up You can have it bad

Give it up, give it up You can have it bad Give it up, give it up You can have it bad Bye.