Seeking Derangements - SD 374 - Mother of the Pod w/ Jamie

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

Hello Seekers! Ben here, today I interview Jamie, the 58 year old hairdresser, mother of two and long time listener of the podcast. We talk about her gay friends (dead and alive), child rearing techniques, and the current stage of hags and their fags. Plus I tell her about The Erotic Barber! Get an appointment with Jamie (if you’re lucky) here: https://salonlofts.com/jamie_klein

🎵 Hey everyone, welcome to Seeking Derangements. It's Ben. I'm here solo today. Jock and Hessa both have the week off, but since I am all alone in the Seeking Derangements studio, I figured, who wants to hear from just me, right? So I am calling up one of our longtime listeners, someone I've been wanting to talk to for quite a while. She says that she's in the meeting, but I don't see her. Let's see.

Let me get her an invite. This is a person who has been a long time listener and like I said someone I've been wanting to talk to for a while um let me get a link to her one second y'all I'll be right back with our very special guest today Jamie can you hear me

there you are hello hey it's so great to see you. It's so great to see you. How are you doing today? I know. I hope you have questions for me. I have, I don't know what we're in for, but I'm up for it. Nothing too crazy. Jock and Hussar. You can get crazy. I don't care about that. So just for the listeners who may be unaware of who you are, you've been a queen in all of our lives for quite a while. Aw, that's so sweet. It's true.

I want to read this DM that you sent us, which is what put you on the map for us. Yeah. Oh, my God, y'all. Your podcast is the holy grail. My daughter told me about it. I'm a 57-year-old hairdresser and mother of two grown kids. 58 now. 58.

I'm 30 now. So look at that. It's- Same age as my daughter. Really? That's so sweet. How is she taking it? 30 can be rough for people.

Yeah, I think it's a little rough, but she's plowing through it. It was okay for me. I didn't freak out i was kind of expecting to have like a what would you call it a quarter life crisis or yes but i haven't i haven't yet maybe i'm in the middle of it and i'm refusing to acknowledge 30 is a bit there i can remember 30 being kind of a big one but i was uh knee deep and kids and working and stuff but um but uh i'm to be 60 now. That's I have to say that is.

You look amazing. That's a big thing. You really do. I would never guess. Anyway, I interrupted you. I do that. So you got to rein me in. You listen to this show.

You know how crazy Jock. My ADD brain kind of. So you got to kind of you got to corral me because I will go off on a tangent. Sometimes I got to go off on it or I'll lose it. You know what I mean? I mean, that's why jock is always, you know. It sounds so rude. Yeah, I have that in common with jock.

No, it's totally fine. I do the same thing as well. But I'll continue. He said, you guys remind me of the gays of yesteryear. This kind of humor is very rare to find. I feel like my dead gay friends have been resurrected. I love each and one of you precious babies,

Jock, Ben, and Hessa. I told my daughter there is hope after all that she shares my sick sense of humor. And thank you for that. Keep up God's work. That brought a tear to my eye.

I'm not even kidding. Well, you know, and I just, I'm like, if I overthink things, it can go wrong. And I just, that just came out of me, you know what I mean? But it was so true because Kelly kept telling me to listen to your podcast. And, uh, sometimes we like the same things. And I think the older that I get, we have more things in common, but I'm her mom. And I've always had

a sick sense of humor, you know, trying to force her to watch john waters movies in middle school and stuff like that um so she's just like oh mom but now she appreciates it and um yeah it's you guys just totally it's reminded me of people that i used to hang out with that weren't afraid of making jokes about anything we knew this wasn't serious you know we just you know so it was just you know a refreshing like oh my god here's some people that i could say something and i would probably never get done some freaks you can really go off with some freaks yeah some total freaks yes for sure i mean we're so happy to be there for you for that i mean it's funny because like children always sometimes i have something to say and i'm like oh who could could I say this to? And there's not many left. There's a couple.

And now my daughter will find it funny. And now she will watch John Waters movies with me. I'm so happy we've corrupted your daughter into becoming one of the freaks. Well, like, she had been listening to you all forever and forever. She's like, Mom, I really think you like this place. I don't know. You know how sometimes we like things and sometimes we don't. And I don't know.

For some reason, I'm like, okay. Well, you know, all right. Maybe I'll check this podcast out. And I'm like, oh long as we don't. And I don't know, for some reason, I'm like, okay, well, you know, all right, maybe I'll check this podcast out. And I'm like, oh, but I can't. This is awesome. These are my people. I love it. It's so sweet.

I think maybe on paper, people think that, you know, gay freaks in New York City or New Orleans who are, you know, living a certain kind of lifestyle wouldn't share, have much in common with someone who's in your station. But of course we do. And like, of course everyone is, you know, kind of bound by this. Well, and that's just kind of what's wrong with what's going on nowadays. It's kind of like, you have a lot, I mean, a lot of things in common with people and you're not going to have everything in common, but that's fine. You can, yeah, you don't need to. And so it's kind of like lighten up people. lot, I mean, a lot of things in common with people and you're not going to have everything in common, but that's fine. You can, yeah,

you don't need to. And so it's kind of like lighten up people. I totally lighten up and be able to make fun of yourself and understand that like life is precious. And because life is precious, it's worth having fun and it's worth like taking yourself too seriously. Yes. My friend, Jim,

who is one of my friends that's still around, you know, a lot of my friends are dead, honestly. And he's one, and he does my hair still. And it's just like, I can just say it. And then I'll find myself being guarded about saying something. And he'll be like, oh, are we talking like that now? And I'm like, these days I don't know.

I forget it's you. You do really have to test the waters with some people. Yes. Because you can be like, oh, can I say this? It's not like we're saying anything horrible, but some people can be very sensitive, particularly when it comes to issues around, you know, sexuality or gender or. It's gotten a little more heightened or something that it used to be just. Yeah, it has.

But anyway. It has. But yeah. So Kelly. Yeah. And so then it's just like, oh my God, these are like, did you try to raise a little freak and it backfired on you? Or well,

it's always rebel against their parents. Right. And I always, I've asked, I don't have children. Of course. I don't know if I'll ever have children, but I've always asked myself,

like, if I had a child, I would want my kid to be, um, this is very narcissistic maybe, but I'd want my child to like all the same exact things as me and be a continuation of my life and kind of wreak the same kind of habit that i have i have wrought across the world but the more you encourage your children to be one set of things whether it's

incredibly conventional you know straight laced nuclear family they become a punk or whether you maybe try to raise your kid to become some little john waters watching freako then they'll become a punk or whether you maybe try to raise your kid to become some little John Waters watching Frico, then they'll become a normal, you know, straight laced conservative person. I mean, how has that, is that how it went for you or? Well, um, you know, I always just tried to reel it in with my kids. Like, you know, my husband is, he's like a saint. Okay. Cause you know, he's married. Cause he's married to you. Well, that I'm kidding. You'd married to you. Well, I'm kidding. You'd have to be.

No, it's true. But, um, you know, I reigned it. I didn't curse. I,

you know, I tried to do everything right as a mom. And I, I never wanted to be my kid's friends. That was the thing. Like I have to be, I have to be a mom. You know what I mean?

Like I never tried to be my kid's friend. So I was always mom that, and so, you know, mom's embarrassing, you know, mom's embarrassing, you know, for the longest time. Mom was embarrassed.

Even if mom is cool, which you seem like you were a very cool mom. I, and I don't want to be the cool mom either. You know, I just want to be mom. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But, but there is this thing of like, you don't want to share, especially my daughter. I think we have, um, I got her entered,

introduced her to film at a young age. And, and, um, so we're both kind of like the filmophiles or whatever. And I had her watching like Ingmar, Ingmar Bergman movies and all kinds of things. And she, and we could really, you know,

I didn't really pull out any kind of freaky stuff or anything like that. Like the John Waters. You're just giving her the classics, a nice, a nice base. Well, I mean, no, I was mom and I was always a bad guy you know rob my husband always you know i would hear him downstairs you know your mom blah blah blah you know so i really i just wanted to raise i had a big fear of raising i wanted that's being a parent is yeah the most overwhelming i know i can't even imagine i mean my parents had me when they were both 30 and now that i'm 30 i'm like and it's it's almost humiliating to say this, because I am an adult man, I should be able to have a life in which I couldn't care for a child. But I'm like, even thinking about my being in my parents footsteps right now when they had me and they had me when they were both, it was the early 90s. Right. So it was like, yeah, I think it was maybe a little bit easier to do it, but I'm like, I...

You were born in 1994. Yeah. Yeah, that's the same as Kelly. What's your birthday? December 11th. Newly 30. Newly 30. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, when I did it, I just was like, I got married, and I'm like, you just have kids. And then it's just like, oh my God,

this is like heavy. And I had a pretty freaky upbringing and that's probably why I, how I am. So, but, so I really wanted to be a good parent. So that was, so when my kids got to be adults and they're like, oh my gosh, they're useful members of society. What a relief. Oh my God. I'm still, I'm still relieved. I'm still like, I can't believe I did it. So I really didn didn't but I think my daughter's always known and she's always been more creative uh sort of like me I guess but um yeah and so you know and my son is is like you know my kids are way better people than I was that I wanted to say with about young people today when people are always talking about them I'm like I have to

say my kids are kinder and nicer and more evolved than I ever was at their ages or younger. I think that's by and large true. I think people shit on a lot of Gen Z, millennial people for being maybe weak and sensitive and a little defunct. But it's like, well, that's not their fault as individuals. It's kind of the fault of our society at large. And I think on an individual level, people are much kinder and nicer to each other, I hope. Yes. I don't know. It's a double- kinder and nicer to each other, I hope. Yes. I don't know.

It's a double-edged sword because the internet can make people insane. Just a little more, just kinder people. I mean, I know my daughter, like some of the stuff that I could say, you know, or the humor that I like can seem kind of mean-spirited, I guess. Well, that's fine. You know, but it's all a joke you know but she's definitely um yeah like i was like yes she likes this oh my god i can't believe this i mean the nicest thing was is being compared to a gay guy who's dead of aids i'm not even joking it's a very sweet because i'm like you've got so many amazing so many i'm talking

about i'm saying oh if i was in my parents footsteps when i was 30 i let's be honest i probably would have been one of them i would be having a child um because it took out i took out a whole generation of you know incredibly creative and funny and um you know artistic people and yeah and witty people. I mean, I don't know if not to get political, but that AZT did it pretty quick. Absolutely. Absolutely.

One thousand percent. It was just crazy. But yeah. Who was the first gay person? You first gay guy you met. The first, the first. And I didn't realize this guy was gay until I was older,

which is kind of interesting that, you know, you have those, um, epiphanies as you get older, like, oh, and then I said something to my mom and she was like, oh yeah, he was gay. Epiphanies. Yeah. You know, you're like, oh. You saw him with painted nails and a wig on and you're like. Well, what happened was, and I said something, this guy, my mom used to carpool with to work and um i think his name was bob but anyway i remember he immediately i was drawn to his energy and um he picked up my mom one day and he was like in the kitchen doing something i don't know getting some coffee or

something and he had some kind of like a satchel he was carrying like um you know and i and i must have been maybe 12 and you were like hey this is like such a kind of maybe it was just my brain just knew but i i was not a i was kind of a shy person but um a kid but i had the balls to say oh is that your purse again that's that's not not anything my daughter would have said to anybody and that's kind of like a crappy little snippy thing to say to somebody i mean if someone if a little girl said that to me i would crack up and so this kid looked at this guy he was older right he was he was he was fully an adult and he looked at me kind of gave me a sly smile and he goes yeah that's my fag dog and i can't believe i said the f-word either say it again but well i'm kind of trick or shy about using that word

you have the pass from all of us here i i guess you know you have to be a little careful but if anyone you got to be really careful anyone comes for you direct them my way i will take well so this and even then i didn't dawn on me that this was a gay man when he said that i just thought Anyone comes for you, direct them my way. I will take them out. And even then, it didn't dawn on me that this was a gay man. When he said that, I just thought he was making a funny joke. Do you know what I mean? Sure, sure. But I always liked him a lot. Did you know what faggot meant when you were 12?

Yeah. Because people were saying it at school. Yeah, you know. You were calling guys faggots on the street. You were using it. No. Yeah, you know, you were calling guys faggots on the street. You're using it. No, no. It was like how how I got the nerve to feel comfortable enough.

But I seem to have a I don't know, not just just certain people in general, I guess. But yeah, so that was the first. Did your was your mom also a hag? Did she because she must have known that he was a gay gay man or it was a lifelong bachelor or whatever they maybe said at the time yes he has a roommate he has a roommate and satchels yeah yeah it's like you know my uh husband's cousins these two ladies have been together forever and it's it's always cracks me up how like the older generation i mean some older gay people still do the whole roommate thing which is so funny it's like it's just say you're say you're like you know a lesbian it's we we are

two women with you know three inch haircuts living together we know what's going on here and i i used to do their mother's hair they'd be like she'd be like yeah that chris she just never got married you know and it was just like you know the mother's passed away now but i think for some people of a certain generation it's just like they can't handle it just yeah it's and they're they're believing it so okay for sure i mean i never i never directly told my grandmother that i because my parents had me older like my yeah my american grandparents my grandpa died when i was in like middle school and then my grandma Because my parents had me older. Like my. Yeah. My American grandparents. My grandpa died when I was in like middle school.

And then my grandma died when I was. I was like maybe three or four years ago. Yeah. And I was. I mean, I, you know, I look the way I do. I look very gay. You can tell I'm gay. I don't think so.

Right. Well, maybe she. Whatever that is. She couldn't tell, you know. But. Yeah. No. Yeah. No, grandma's no grandma's not gonna clock that it was just so funny she's not gonna be there's my game little bit grandma's gonna be like he's just there's my cute handsome grandson she was very kind of reserved catholic woman from like you know small town iowa um and why do they need to know really why why make her think about me kissing a man because i mean

ultimately at the end of the day when you say you're gay you're yeah you are asking someone to maybe it's just because i'm a pervert or something but in my in my mind i'm like i am asking my grandma to imagine me having sex with another man right now right and i'm like so that's why she's gonna kill her why would i yeah she has maybe three years left to live why would i make one of her last coherent memories me having sex with another guy and she can't wrap her head around it so when she yeah she did tell me this funny story when she was um um kind of in you know a state of decline. She was 98. She had a very peaceful death.

She lived a great life. So I don't feel bad about, you know, saying this. But she was kind of like, I don't know if it was necessarily sundowning. She was having some memory issues. She wasn't having,

she was not full-blown dementia. She was there coherently most of the day until she passed. But in one of these moments, she was telling me a story about how... It was kind of delirious. She was looking at the ceiling. And she was telling me this story about how the circus was in town.

And she was like, when I was a little girl, the circus was in town. And she was like, I saw two little German boys in a bush. And I knew what they were doing in the bush. And I saw their pants outside of the bush and I was like I was like oh she this is her telling me that she knows I'm gay that's hilarious you never know because there's something she's like and then it's okay and then it's okay but like there's there was something in her brain that was like okay the gay guys here the last like and this is my memory about other gay guys, about how these German guys were having sex in a bush.

And she maybe saw that when she was a child or something. But I was very kind of, I was like, I was like, oh, thank you. That's so sweet of you. I love it. It was really nice. It was really nice. The bush, the bushes thing. There's my brain. It was really nice. The Bush, the Bush's thing. I remember this was years ago when I'm in my twenties going to the gay bar here in Cincinnati.

It was called the dock and the dock. Right. And, and so Halloween night with my friend who I was assisting, I was a new hairdresser. I assisted this guy and he was very flamboyant. He kind of looked like Captain Hook. He had like the long. He had these like long extensions curled. And he had like the little mustache.

And he was very thin. And we go to the dock. And I forget what he dressed. He used to do drag. But it seems like he wasn't really dressed up in costume when we went on Halloween night to the dock. And, of course, you can imagine. every other day was Halloween for him. Yeah. And so then when we were leaving God and he was drunk and driving and it was just like, I can't even believe this. And we're, we're, we're in the car getting ready to leave. And he sees some guy

dressed up like a, this is so surreal. He sees some guy dressed up like a crayon. And it was just like, he was, I guess he just, he didn't hook up with anybody. And he was like, Oh, here's this guy with the crane he goes he was like oh hold on a minute i'll be right back and he goes out in the bushes and this guy dressed up in like a crayon outfit and they're out in the bush as i'm waiting just waited in the car yeah we're getting ready to leave the bar and he sees some guy dressed up like sorry sorry bitch you need to go fuck this crayon. He's like, I'm getting some before I leave. I mean, here we're in the car getting ready to leave. And he's like, hold on a minute. He gets out and this guy dressed up in a crayon with a, and they're out in the bushes.

So they must have known each other. I don't know. It was really weird. Or they were driving past a cruising spot and he could tell that that guy was there to cruise. And he was like. I mean, probably there's a lot of things that went over my head back in the day you know like as far as that goes but we were leaving the bar we were still in the parking lot of the bar and the guy was coming out of the bar so he knew he knew we were leaving the gay bar we were leaving the dog they were probably making i mean

you know gay guys there's like a yeah maybe they were making they're making eyes at each other exactly fuck guys i had like no game back then i was like so like i just okay you know i didn't know what was going on wait how did you end up hanging out with all these gay guys well i'm a hairdresser so of course you know um so yeah that's how i first met all my gay guy friends was um you can't doing hair pretty much yeah yeah yeah and so um yeah so to get back to the like saying the f word so this friend of mine that this is why i am like so this was when i was young we were at some like warehouse party it was like a mardi gras party or something and we were

all just at the party whatever and he was like he would always freely say things and we could say things freely to each other i thought but he was he was kind of bipolar about stuff sometimes yeah and so hey that still happens today and so so he's like oh this guy's really that guy's really whatever cute or something and um and i'm like oh i said do you think he's a fag you know what i mean like just kind of think he's a fudge packing aids written piece of shit. And he used that word all the time. He used it all the time. And we couldn't seem to have you. And then he just all of a sudden snapped.

He would do that though. He would snap on me. And then he would always call back and apologize and say, oh, you know. And so it was like, thag. And then he just walked away from me. And then after that, and then we made up and we're still friends. Oh my God. That's so sweet. That makes me a little a little you know i don't want to oh you're fine i mean you're in my presence

you can do it whenever of course you don't maybe don't do it when you're cutting some gay guy's hair no no no no no but yeah so then um the first gay guy I met was at my mom's friend. And then I remember I had a situation that was sticks out of my mind. We have a thing in Cincinnati called Oktoberfest, which is like the big there's a big German population here. So they have a big and it's supposed to be like the biggest one here in the States. I was just a kid wandering. I went with my mom who was doing like, God knows what. And I'm just like wandering around. I think I might've been 13 or 14. I'm just wandering around by myself. And this guy is like, almost like doing a speech or proselytizing or something. I don't know. I'm probably, and there's, there's like a crowd forming around him and them really, I think. Oh, sure. I don't know. You know, but this, this guy was, um, gender was happening and he was talking about, and people were like questioning him like, well, why are you dressed

like this? Because I want to. And they're like, but you're a guy and blah, blah, blah. And it was like this whole big thing. And I was like, kind of opened up my eyes to some spectrums of things that are out there. And this, this guy was just like preaching like, wow, blah and i was like wow look at him he's like answering all their questions and i thought he was very fascinating and then he did it this guy hung out at clubs that i used to go to um how many gay bars were there in cincinnati were there a lot of them when i was it seems like the gay bars have a hard time staying open. Yeah. Because like even in Iowa, like and I know they're different states. Ohio is probably

Did you see my shirt I have on by the way? Oh my god it's the shirt I made for Jamie that says mother of the podcast. Wait, can I take a picture of this? I love it. Stand back up. I want to take a picture of it. I want to show the listeners. Oh my gosh. That's so sweet. Oh my god. Yeah, I made shirts for jb and her daughter kelly

is this something that that the listeners can see too or no do you want to publish the video we can publish the video oh you can do whatever you want i didn't i could make it a video episode it'd be fun no i don't i don't care i just i'm just curious well you know i can make little i can make little video clips of it. I can publish a video. Yeah, whatever. I just didn't know. I was curious.

I didn't know. Yeah, we can. You just do whatever you want. I don't care. Well, we can do anything. It's, you know, it's just me and you here. We can do whatever kind of episode we want. Okay.

But yeah, we'll get some pictures up and some clips of it. I think it'll be fun. But I'm like. yeah, whatever you want. I in Iowa, like growing up, I was gay from a very young age and it was always obvious. But no one ever bullied me. No one ever fucked me. I think because I was like a little too crazy, probably as a defense mechanism. Like it was I would kind of escalate really quickly if anyone tried anything with me

um but i also wasn't like super faggy but anyways like there weren't many places to go even like as a young gay adult there was there were two gay bars i've been kind of banned from one of them since and i like always thought that most of the Midwest Midwest was like this. But then I would go to other, you know, small to medium sized cities in the Midwest in Ohio and Wisconsin. And you'd be like, oh, there's a much better, more vibrant gazing here. I think Iowans are just more kind of like reserved. I don't know what kind of we came from more fucked up village in Germany. I think, than the rest of the Midwesterners. I don't know what it is exactly.

But I mean, it seems like Cincinnati was a more hopping town than Iowa. I mean, I guess I'm not as in tune with it as I was. I worked downtown for 25 years, but now I have my own business close to where I live and more in the suburbs. But my daughter, who comes in down to town frequently, she was just in town for Christmas, said, oh yeah, there's still quite a few, but yeah, they kind of closed down periodically. But when it seemed like there were some fun ones when I was working downtown, there was the dock was the big one. And then there was one called Subway. And then the names of them were like, they went over my head at the

time, a lot of them. But then again, because I was pretty young when I started doing hair. How old were you? I was like 20. 20? Like 20. Wow. Because you've been doing hair for quite a while.

Yeah, 38 years. You're an esteemed professional. I am a veteran. Well, I'm going to end a business on it. I'm getting my hair cut later today. Your hair is super cute. You have great texture in your hair. Honestly, I get made fun of a lot because

I put lotion in my hair. Whatever. I feel like putting body... It's like a rich moisturizing cream. Do you use a CeraVe in your hair? Yeah.

I think it... I mean, maybe you It's like a rich moisturizing cream. Do you use a CeraVe in your hair? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I think it, I mean, maybe you can, maybe you can settle this. It's working. Maybe you can settle this for me. It's working. Yes. One, it's whether, is it working or is it not working? And it does, it does work.

Sometimes throughout the day, it will get like frizzy because it's too like, I think the lotion starts to dry or something. I don't know. But I think this is an argument we've had on the show. My main point here is that whatever ingredients are in a moisturizing cream are probably. Yeah, and CeraVe are probably mostly the same ingredients that are in a hair cream. Totally. So it's like, why?

For me, it's like, why do i need to buy seven different products that all have one ingredient different i'll just do one you put it in your hair when your hair is dry i like after it's i'll shower i'll comb my hair back with like a wide tooth like curly hair comb and then i'll let it dry just so it like it kind of is pushed back and then i'll just um run i just run put lotion through it and comb it back. It looks good. I think your hair looks great. I love it. You're not cutting too much, are you?

I'm going to get a low taper fade. I'm kidding. You're not going to get the you're going to get some vanilla ice Yeah, I'm going to get an eyebrow slit and I'm going to get two racing stripes here and a skin fade. I'm going to get my name written in the back of my head here.

I hated when that crap was like... I mean, I guess that stuff is always kind of a thing, maybe. I think it really depends if you're black or not. It looks so stupid on white people. Totally. That's totally it. But when you were younger, because you're the same not it looks so stupid on white that totally that's totally it uh but like when you were younger because you're same age as my daughter um my son is 27 but a thing every once in a while a parent would bring their kid in and be like oh can you like shave his like sucker numbers into it yeah yeah yeah yeah and i'm just like i don't do that like i just and it is it is a kind

of a different kind of a skill set more like a barber kind of yeah i mean you have to be pretty handy with the uh clippers yeah yeah yeah yeah and i do clippers and fades and stuff a lot but i'm like cutting designs into the there's just certain things i refuse to do like what i call um and it's just not going away is this clown hair thing. The color. What do you mean? I don't want to insult anybody. No, insult them.

What do you mean? What's the, oh, like blue haired? Like the blue, the pink, the green. Go off on them. No, literally. It looks stupid. It looks stupid. It looks bad.

about because if you have your hair in such a bright color, you need to have the perfect skin tone for it. If I had light blue hair, I would look like a like an X-Men villain. I would look insane.

And I bleached my hair once and I looked fucking crazy. And it's because I have like pink undertones and like bright blue eyes and like dark eyebrows and like it it has to work for your skin tone and like if you don't have the skin tone for bright colors who has the skin tone for chartreuse green hair i mean like nobody like light skin black or like black women because like that kind of looks yeah if you have that right, because like that kind of looks. Yeah. If you have that right skin tone, any color kind of looks good with it.

But if. True. True. But really, it's not. And the majority of blue hair people you hear are like are like crackers and they look really bad. And some people really they really excel. The younger hairdressers really excel at doing those colors.

Yeah. But it is so time consuming. And if I were to do it, it would, I'm sorry, I'm charging, it's a lot of money. Because you got to bleach the hair out. So much money for it. Yeah. And then it's like, they want this right tone of, they want the lavender purple or they want the deep.

It's like, oh my God. And then it fades after two shims. Yeah. When I see it around here in Ohio, it always looks like brittle and dry because of what you have to do to get it there. I know. It killed my hair when I bleached it. It absolutely killed my hair.

I just don't do that. And I call it... What do I call it? I don't know. This wool crap. I'm kidding. I thought it was just a trend, but it's not.

It's like a movement. It's like a social group or something. I don't know. It's really sticky. And yeah, it's a young. It's not going anywhere. And that's fine if that's. And when you see it, of course, when a client brings in, oh, I want this.

It's always like some celeb who's got somebody. They got like hair pieces in there or they've got somebody working on their hair. You know what I mean? To have that hair and have it look healthy and good. Most of the time it is a wig or something. Katy Perry's slapping on a purple wig. Absolutely. Something like that. No, for sure. I always, I mean, I don't know.

I always kind of hate getting my hair cut. I don't know what it is. I'm always so awkward in a barbershop. I need to get my hair cut by women because I'm much more comfortable around women. But, I mean, I even hang out. So many of my friends are straight men and I'm totally comfortable hanging out and broing out with a straight guy but there's something about a about the social barber where it's like we don't really know each other like i guess all

the straight guys i'm friends with are like you know like lawyers or academics or you know guys on twitter we share a cultural language there's something about maybe just because i the barber shop yeah this is a guy i would never talk to in my day-to-day life we would never have any reason to just like talk or or touch each other and just it just makes it so awkward and i i know my barber thinks i'm weird because every time i just like I I act crazy I act like such a freaking freak like last time I was there he he's also a white Latino so I was like okay at least we have this and like you know whatever but he reached out to shake my hand at the end of it after I paid him and I previously he had fist bumped me so I thought we were on a fist bump basis.

And I was like, okay, I'm going to fist bump him and run out of the fucking barbershop. And he shook his hand. He put his hand out to shake my hand. And I thought we were doing a fist bump. So I just kind of put my hand in his open palm, my fist in his open palm.

And then he like shook my fist. And I was like, I'm going to fucking kill myself it's so embarrassing yes he just grabbed my fist and i was like and we were looking in each other's eyes and i was just like i was like i can't and my hair is longer than it's been in quite a while because i'm like afraid to go back there you're like i'm that's like that's like when i wouldn't go back to the um to get my nails done at the, um, uh, I was getting my, when I worked downtown, I would get my nails done at a, like a Vietnamese nail salon. And, um, this lady that would do my nails, she was really sweet, but it was kind of

like, um, you know, my weight can fluctuate sometimes like whatever, like it can't. And so everyone's, so I'm getting my nails done and this nail tech goes she looks at me she goes have you gained weight and i'm and i'm like that's like something you never kick her in the face so i was like um and i'm pretty easy going you know what i mean i'm of course i'm i'm dying a little bit inside but but I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I've gained some weight, you know? Yeah. And she's like, ah. And then she looked at me, she goes, why? And I'm like, oh, my God. That's such a funny question.

I'm like, what the? And she's like, but why? And I'm like, well, I ate too much. I mean, I ate too much. Why? That's why uh but my my my son who lives in japan was telling i was telling him telling him this and he he said um you know like when i went to japan to visit my son you see i mean i think i saw two fat people oh my god yeah no they're yeah yeah and uh the thing is they eat

they drink the drinking culture there is's off the chain. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's that one that was Shibuya or whatever the Shibuya slump or whatever it's called. We went to Shibuya, but what were you saying about it? There's like, it's something I forget the actual name of it,

but there's a term that is well known there. It's, it's, it denotes all these businessmen will, they'll work like 14 hour a day weeks. Oh, it's crazy. And then they'll go binge drink and they end up falling asleep on the street. Yeah.

They leave bottles of water and stuff. Yeah. In like their suits. If they miss the last train. Yeah. Yes. If they miss the last train. Yes.

Because my son was telling me that because when we went there and my daughter too, we're like, damn. He's like, no, you see people work, work, work, work, work. And then after work, they all go at happy hour after work. And then you see them get a little more animated towards the end of the day. Because most of the time they were there, that's the nicest people in the world that get more animated towards the end of the day. And you're like, oh, okay, you know, it's happy hour. And, and Adam, my son was like, yeah, they get up for work the next day on time. Like know it's so crazy it and it's yeah but um he said you know like in japan he's like you know if you gain weight or something somebody says

something like that to you they're like well are you depressed i mean yeah they just don't understand yeah you don't understand why why are you gaining weight like yeah i mean even in like in like costa rica like among my costa rican of course, people are all sizes there, you know, like anywhere in the Americas. But if you gain weight or if you're fat, they'll just they'll call you fat ass. You know, they'll just call you fat or they'll be like, oh, you need to stop eating. You know, like it's it's much more permissible. You can't. Yeah, it is. And it's like about it.

Why do we why do we not just admit like is it really that impolite to admit what is just in front of our faces and like especially with the body positivity movement if everyone's just if it's allowed to be if you're allowed to be fat then let's just admit that people are fat now if there's nothing wrong with it then why can't i call jock fat and i'm kidding but yeah so after that the lady just i'm just like i can't go back there and get my nails done again like i don't know if i can handle it you know yeah no i know i mean i'm like because now i don't know if he's gonna fist bump me or give me a handshake this time so i need to i need to be i need to be ready for whatever might happen to me when i get my hair cut

that is hysterical well you know like it's so i have some clients and i'm like you know all my clients are like my friends now and it's great you know but um well because after a while you build up a base of people who just come to yeah yes and it's so that has to be ideal to have that yeah it is but i i have a few guy clients that seem like going for the like goodbye kiss. And I'm just like, well, I don't know about that. Like on the cheek, of course. Like. Oh, on the cheek.

Yeah. I'm trying to make out. No. And I'm just kind of like, but they didn't always do that. It seemed like they, I don't know. It's weird. Yeah. I mean, people have, like, I have a friend who, this guy, she used to cut this guy's

hair and this kind of stuff can happen. And this friend of mine, she just called him out. Like he was trying to be slight, like under his cape and she's going around him cutting his hair. What was he doing? Jacking off? Like feeling her out. Well, he wasn't jacking off.

I don't think, but he was like feeling her out. Oh, like, like, like. Conveniently like grabbing her, but acting like it was an accident. You know what I mean? When, while she's cutting his hair and she's cut hair right next to me. like conveniently like grabbing her, but acting like it was an accident. You know what I mean? When, while she's cutting his hair and she's cut hair right next to me. And she,

she was like, it was so funny because she was like, she stopped. She goes, I know exactly what you're doing. Stop it right now. Yeah. Or I'm not going to finish your haircut. And he was just like,

okay. Has anything, what do you have any crazy stories about? I'm sure you have like so many crazy stories about cutting hair with gay do you have any with gay guys that are involved um no not any crazy stories i didn't crazy stories with gay guys whose hair i cut no um but i have i don't know i have all kinds of crazy stories about one time i had this guy was cutting his hair and this was when I worked downtown. And he all of it like I took him back to the shampoo bowl and I thought, well, is he like making weird movements or something?

And it was like he was like his hands were like kind of flailing a little bit on the way back to the shampoo bowl. I shampooed him and I got him down in the chair and then he started making some erratic. And then he pulled this got this piece of paper and he goes here i want you to call this person on this piece of paper so he was what he was doing was getting ready to have some kind of like an epileptic attack or something and he knew it was coming on that in hindsight that is what happened and so you're like get out of here you pervert i know you're jacking off call the cops he's like seizing up can you imagine this pervert's about to come oh my god he's busted right now get him the hell out of here i do i do have a story about somebody

doing that in front of myself and my daughter when we were in France. So I'll get back to that. Oh my God. Yeah. But, um, and so anyway, I I'm like, oh my gosh, like I kind of, so I, I go to the front desk and I call this person. I'm like, yeah, so-and-so said for me to call you. And he's like, okay, I'll be right there. And so this salon was on the seventh floor of a building and this guy just gets off the elevator. It didn't take long. And he literally takes this man and puts him over his shoulder and presses the elevator button. Oh my gosh. Like he's like the fixer. He just comes in and like, well, he's, I guess he's the contact that this guy has knows that maybe he works with her. They both live downtown or something. I think. And if he's having a fit, an epileptic attack, he's, you know what what i mean and so this guy just took

him home and put him to bed wow he explained all that to me because he came back to me uh for another haircut he was like well i sometimes if i skip lunch and i skip lunch and i got a haircut and then you know it caused him to have a seizure crazy yeah i didn't know that's so interesting and it the guy literally just put him over his shoulder and like they went down. So I want to hear about your story in Paris. But now that we're talking about certain inappropriate things that might happen in a barber's chair. I'm curious if you've ever heard of this guy. He's on Twitter.

And okay, sorry, I cannot show you that video. I wanted to show you a video, but it's too pornographic. There's this guy that's known as the erotic barber. He's a... I mean, I'm sure. Have you heard of this guy? No, I haven't, but you know. He's a guy...

So what's he happy endings happy endings in your haircut right it's um let me go i was i went to his twitter and sorry it's all pornography like it's it's too much right now but his name is brandon currington um he's no i've not heard of him in chicago that's uh and he does does naked haircuts. He cuts people's... He gives people... He's a black guy. He gives people the full fades, designs. He probably makes

his own gel, if you know what I mean. Yeah, it's probably... House made. And here's your gel! And we're gonna finish it all with this you're probably right if he's not doing that he definitely needs to but I'm on his

website right now it's the erotic bottle that shit and let me see Brandon was raised in a small city right outside of chicago he always took pride in his image which included keeping a fresh haircut every week at an early age he he became frustrated with his barber due to their inconsistency at the age of 12 he decided to take a try at cutting his consistency wasn't he wasn't getting

a hand job every time what that's a 12 year old this isn't sexy enough brandon received many compliments on his haircuts and he started cutting other people's hair the neighborhood blah blah blah i mean let's in 2016 he enrolled in barber school and became a licensed barber you need a license to become a barber yeah yeah it's like a kind of a different i don't know if you need as many hours necessarily or It's something a little different about it. He has grown his brand tremendously over the past year by starting his own underwear line and is currently developing a t-shirt line. He travels very frequently attending his high profile clients. Okay, let me I can show you some of the. Oh, he travels. I mean, I agree with what that means.

Of course he does. Is he on Sniffies? Let me... I found out about Sniffies through you guys. I was explaining it to my husband and my daughter's boyfriend not that long ago at Christmas. What did they think of it wait how did you explain explain it

tell us how you explained it um it's probably pretty graphic i guess i mean i i think that i just cracked up when y'all were talking about it and the the image of i'm like well like basically you know you're like you're like show up at my hotel room my pants are down i'll be on my knees and just dump it you know and then one after the other like they have parties like that you know it's insane i mean i it sniffies is something i hate i hate that it exists i mean i'm happy that people have this oh and then my daughter's friends so i don't forget no no no go ahead so then my daughter's friend um he comes down with her and he was down not that long ago but this was not this was kelly's boyfriend and my husband was explaining it too but um apparently he was dating somebody and then he found out that this guy was on i would be so pissed he's like i'm done

i shouldn't have said his name probably i don't think he would care he won't care if you want to say you want us to believe it we can believe it just let me know um i think he'll be okay um but he was like that's disgusting like it is disgusting i mean to me personally and he's like he's like it disgusting. He was disappointed. He was disappointed. He's like, yeah, well, moving on. I'm happy that they have that at their disposal if they'd like to do it. I don't think it should be like.

Yeah. But I'm just like, do not tell straight people about this. This is going to get. This is like the worst. This is the worst image. Like, this is literally what they think we're all doing and it's i don't know i mean you haven't used the app but when you use it it is just like the entire city grid like like it looks like google maps or something and you just see all

these little icons for what a horrible sex act maybe now it's like really yeah bleep his name out because i feel really bad absolutely i. I will. One thousand percent. We'll bleep it out. I don't know if he would care, but yeah. But anyway, he was easy. Yeah. You get you get on. You get on there and you see little pings for where the.

Yeah. Yeah. It's horrible. But I want to show you. OK, so an erotic haircut, old school style with fresh new flair an erotic cut cost a hundred dollars and so i don't think he's wow that's pretty cheap i know i mean really for an erotic cut like i don't think they have sex i think he just cuts your hair naked naked well that's you know years ago they're always trying to get creative with haircuts. Like, it's like, what the hell are you doing?

Like, there was a thing where somebody would dance around. Yeah. Dance around while they're cutting hair? Yeah. I don't know. It's funny. We have some reviews. Or different kind of haircutting experiences.

Brandon's cuts are unique because he takes his time. He doesn't believe in rushing. When you don't rush, it shows in your work. He has a great work ethic that shows every time I get out of his chair. That's sweet. Okay. All right. That is.

Oh, there was something else I was going to. I lost my train of thought. The Paris thing. We were talking about our friend. Oh, my God. The Paris thing. Yeah. So my daughter and I are in France.

And it's really just we go. It's at nighttime and we go to the Eiffel tower at night and we come home and it's pretty late on this, this train. This is like our second day there. And we're sitting on the train, Kelly and I are sitting next to each other. And there's two people sitting across from us, two men. And, and so we're looking at pictures we had taken. And she's laughing at this picture because she says I always look like a turtle because I'm always trying to not have a double chin in pictures. And it's like, Mom, you look like a turtle.

Oh, me too. I do that as well. You should start mewing. Do you know what mewing is? I know. I watched the documentary. Oh, my God. I could go off on a tangent. Okay, we'll save that.

We'll table that one. Let's finish the Paris story. Keep it in your brain all right so so we're sitting there and um she's laughing and i'm laughing and you know all this stuff i've tried to cram in my brain about like don't try and don't stand out you know what i mean all of a sudden it's like oh my gosh people are quiet like they don't really laugh on the train like that's kind of and i'm like hopefully i'm like i guess we better be quiet and i start looking around the train. Like that's kind of, and I'm like, hopefully I'm like, I guess we better be quiet. And I start looking around the train to make sure, you know, nobody's looking at us. And then all of a sudden the guy just right across from me has the weirdest look on his face.

And I'm like, that's, and then I looked down and he's got this nice briefcase on his lap and he's got his hand under the briefcase and he's clearly doing something under there, under the briefcase. And Kelly didn't know what was going on. She was in college at the time. And I'm like, I got her up right away and I'm like, come on, let's go. And I just rushed her and we held onto one of those poles and I got away from that guy. And then as soon as the stop, the first stop, he got off because he knew like, I guess he was busted. But the crazy thing is, The first stop, he got off because he knew, like, I guess he was busted. But the crazy thing is, I mean, everybody looked. These guys were dressed like fashion models.

I mean, you can't stereotype people, but it was kind of like, it's just city behavior in general. It's also French. I mean, they're perverts as well. That guy's probably like a local hero. He's probably like, Le Tore is a rapist or something. But I'm like, you can't. So after that, when we went on the train, I would just stand up and hold the, around my daughter, hold the thing.

And I'm just like, you just, everybody, I don't know. I just, everybody looks so like fashion model-y. I'm just like, I don't know who's a pervert or who isn't. Not that you can tell, really. Yeah, you can tell. Sometimes you can't we drove yeah sometimes you can sometimes you can for sure like a certain for sure and i don't know if there's the obvious perverts then there's like the low-key perverts yeah all right but we but it was a funny story that we we like to tell i was like oh my god it's like the look on his face was so weird and kicked that briefcase

I wanted to just call him a swine I just was like I just wanted to be like swine and kick him I swear to god I would have but he got off it's crazy he got he got out off the thing and so that was that but wait what's your what's your take on mewing I'm curious you watch the you watch the documentary right I watched the documentary. I haven't seen the documentary, but I know what it is. Yeah, yeah. And so it's just, I mean, I guess it works. I don't know. But it's just the family is bizarre.

Like the dad who is like the doctor that started the mewing. It's just the way he describes like the perfect face. And then his son has taken over the whole mewing thing. And it's just like chewing gum all the time. And he makes his kids chew gum all the time strengthen their jaw i guess it kind of makes sense to me but it does it makes sense in this way where i'm like oh if anything about like um alternative health or well-being if anyone says that to me confidently enough i'll just be like oh of course like i'll be like like oh of course you need to like constantly have your tongue on the roof of your

mouth because that opens your nasal passages, which is better for thinking and better for breathing and makes you look better. It fixes all your problems. I'm like, of course, like this is, I,

but an easy fix to all of the fucking horrible things with my body. But totally. Yeah. I don't, but the dad was, uh, the, the,

the grandfather of mewing that his face was bust yeah that's also kind of the thing because i have seen i've seen clips of it and i'm like this guy looks like shit he'll say that he'll be like yeah well you know he developed this thing he didn't he didn't get to do it early enough on himself and you know but he's got this ideal face thing and it's like well you are you look what you look like how do his kids look like well one of his one daughter his daughter looks more like him and then the son who is now taken over do you mean more like him like busted yeah a little more busted maybe yeah a little more well maybe maybe like we talked about maybe she were the jaw yeah it's a little more i don't know and the guy has a perfectly round with the

chipmunk cheeks and he's like shoving gum into his kids mouths all the time you know and uh you know it makes sense but but i think he's all about like all these contraptions and stuff yeah like to wear for whatever i i watch so much it's great i can't keep it all strange did you see the brian johnson documentary oh my god i think you messaged me about it. I haven't seen it. It's funny enough. Theta, Theta Hamill, other frequent guests on the show just messaged me and said, she's watching it.

I feel like I should see it, but I don't know. I'm kind of done with Brian shit. He's getting so annoying to me. Well, you, you, you know everything about him.

Like it was all just like, you know, you pretty much covered it. But that son, I feel so bad for Talmadge. It's just like, and it's like, you know, you pretty much covered it. But that son, I feel so bad for Talmadge. It's just like, and it's like, you're not getting younger. You're like turning into an alien or something. No, he looks, he looks demonstrably worse

than when he was like eating cookies and drinking beer or whatever. Pumping himself full of this, all this stuff that's experimental. It's like, you know know and he's got this like his body shape is like his his i don't know his belly is kind of got this little distended yeah well you can tell he's kind of like he's he's always i think he's always going through his little distended yeah no i know he's you know what i'm talking about absolutely he has incredibly

weird posture i think it's because he or something there's something going on yeah i mean there's so much going on with brian um but and then his his skin tone is like green yes it's great well i think it's his skin he's gotten so many like laser treatments done that his skin has just become like truly paper thin so you you get you see like what like his muscle you see his like muscle color and like the blood and like everything i feel it's okay to talk about him because he signed absolutely he loves it he loves it i mean he he leans into like being a freak you know which i thought you know i've emailed him he's not responding to my emails i've been trying to

get him on the show before he went on he went on many other podcasts this was like we've been covering brian for like almost a year and a half at this point we read the original article written about him in motherboard on the show almost maybe almost two years ago and i oh wow have been emailing him i now i gave up on it because he stopped responding to me but i was trying to get him on the show and i think yeah he and i was going back and forth with him and then he was like okay um can you send he's like i'm totally down can you send a oh is he the one that said something about ai or something to you um he's i mean he has he's talked a lot about ai but he asked to get a sample of uh your semen my blood of jock's blood um no of of our show because he's like oh if i'm going to come on the show can you send me

uh something i i should listen to and i was like oh wait fuck like i can't send him the episode where jock talks about all his stds and the, the in and out. That's the episode where we read the article. That was the first episode. Yes. Oh, that episode. I, that was like that episode is such a standout.

I love it. Yeah. I think, I think what happened is. And Jock, Jock reminds me so much of a guy I knew from new Orleans. Yeah. That moved to,

when I was an assisting hairdresser, i was an assisting hairdresser he was an assisting hairdresser downtown too but he moved from new orleans because he had gotten some girl pregnant with twins but he's like a gay guy okay literally literally something that would happen to jock yeah so he moved to live with his aunt and i got a girl pregnant she has twins i gotta pay for two i gotta pay for two abortions now the abortion costs twice as much but this girl is deciding to have these twins and so he's like running away to cincinnati to stay with his aunt and he's like getting stds from all these guys that work work at the they're they're all like that down there they're all absolute maniacs i mean i think if i remember

if i remember correctly what happened he was a really good friend of mine that we used to hang out a lot and i'm like dude you gotta so did he raise the situation out well i i think he ended up um moving back to louisiana i don't know he was trying to correspond with her still while he's like hooking up and getting us he's. He's like, I'm gay now. I'm not coming back. You want our beautiful twin daughters to have a gay daddy? I'm not gay. I'm AIDS.

I'm AIDS. Yes. I can't raise no goddamn kids. Yes. And so that whole vibe kind of reminded me of Jock. You know what I mean? Oh, for sure. And this guy cracked me up because this movie, The Big Easy, I don't know if you ever saw it.

Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. And he would be like, we do not talk like that there because Dennis Quaid was really like, and, you know, how are you doing now? Blah, blah, blah. Well, Jock's accent and my impression of Jock's accent, it's not even a Cajun accent. Jock doesn't really have a Cajun accent.

They, they, I guess, accent and my impression of jock's accent it's not even a cajun accent jock doesn't really have a cajun accent they they yeah and i guess asian people when my time in in the acadiana region and in and around new orleans rural louisiana as well i cannot when you when it's someone who's actually um born and raised there from a cajun family and they have the cajun accent it's like it sounds like they're speaking backwards it's so indescribable yeah it'sun accent, it's like, it sounds like they're speaking backwards. It's so difficult. Indecipherable. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. And that's like sort of backwoods area, right?

That's like kind of- Even in New Orleans. That's kind of like the- I mean, there's like certain accents, Cajun accents in New Orleans, and then there's some real backwater country shit, but it is, it's like they're talking with a mouthful of marbles.

It's impossible to understand. But I guess it was not real coming from the people in the Big Easy. According to my friend from New Orleans, he was like, people don't talk. They don't. He found it kind of humorous, but I love that movie. It's a great movie.

I don't know if it stands a test of time, but... I think Jock has the Gonsolin seal of approval, if I remember correctly. I think it's a great movie. I was just just young and I thought Dennis Quaid was kind of hot He's handsome in that movie for sure In that movie yeah Absolutely

I forgot I got off on a tangent I forgot where we were to What are you up to today What are you doing today Well today what I'm up to is I gotta get today i get my nails done this is my nail getting done day can i see your nails speaking of what do they look like oh they look they look a mess now i haven't gotten them done yet i gotta go get them done yeah yeah

and speaking of brian johnson i'm getting my brian johnson uh blood you know needling facial today so i shouldn't be getting your daughter's blood injected into your face or something yes that's why i didn't want kelly to leave micro needling no you can't micro micro needling yeah i think that's what brian gets kind of it looks like i just thought i just i'm on a little bit of yeah brian does micro needling he does like yeah and it is good he'll he probably gets it done like three times a day. I would love to get microneedling done. It's just how much does it cost you?

You got great skin. You know what? I get kind of a deal because. Because you're in the beauty community. Yeah. Yeah. And I sent I've sent this girl like so many clients. So, yeah.

You know. Yeah. I've got this. I got this red light therapy mask. Oh, yeah. I've heard those are good. I got this i got this red light therapy mask oh yeah i've heard those are good i got this time of year with a it is supposed to help with like a season effective thing to give you some the rays that the sun i mean it does help with that but it's like it's mostly for like skin texture and um giving you like um it like boost collagen collagen and stuff. I mean, I've only used it. I've only used it for a week,

but there is nice. I mean, I hate the winter so much. Yes. I really cannot do it. It's so fucking depressing. It makes me want to just like go live on an Island. Horrible.

It's horrible. Are you in, are you in Iowa now? I'm in New York. I'm in New York. And thank God, like in, in Manhattan,

it's like, I don't know. It's still. Iowa gets some serious snow, right? It's horrible. I have a client from Iowa and she is such a trip. She's I love her to death, but she's just like, God, the people up here. It's like pussies whenever it snows. She's like, I grew up.

I mean, I moved from Iowa. This is nothing like we, you know, it's like every other day. I mean, I think if you're near like a big body, Cincinnati's on one of the Great Lakes. Well, Cincinnati is really weird. It's like some summers we will get almost no, no snow. And then some summer winters will get a bunch of a lot. So it's just, but it's on one of the Great Lakes. No, like my brother who lives in Cleveland.'t Cincinnati on one of the Great Lakes no like my brother who lives in Cleveland is Cleveland's on one of the Great Lakes yeah so he gets like he'll get like twice

the amount of snow that we get here so yeah yeah I've never been to Cincinnati I've been to I know I should come we should make a trip out there I want to go to the we should go we can go to the dock yeah well the dock is closed down oh fuck so it was it was the dock subway it was um i don't get subway was another one what's the is subway a double on there was one like that was so obvious i called the manhole or something i mean we had so many the manhole is really good it's all like, it's all like a sewage. I need to call my friend Jim because I can't, I can't think of them all. But, um, some of them were like a little edgier. Like I used to hang out at this bar called Cooters, which is a horrible name.

Cooters. Cooters. Yeah. So this bar was called Cooters, but, but three nights a week it had, what was they called beat night. That was on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. So this bar was called Cooters. But three nights a week, it had what they called Beat Night. That was on Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday. So we got all the busted nights, you know, the Beat Night. And they would play like alternative music. And then it was like, you know, a lot of gay people, but not all. You know, it was kind of a mixed crowd of like artsy people, gay people. And they played alternative music. So that was kind of where i hung

out back in the day yeah you know my clubbing days yeah but um that place isn't isn't around anymore and then there were some like rough there's a place called the jockey club which was right across the river yeah in covington kentucky which which had a mixed crowd too and they played more um like alternative punk kind of stuff you know yeah it's like that it's sad because there's a there's not a lot of i don't know like in well i also live in denver there used to be a lot of like alternative underground artsy scenes like that and any any scene like that you know there's gonna be full of gay people but they don't i don't know in a lot of small towns i'm wondering if the internet has just closed down like people like hook up do you think that's a lot of people go out i think a lot of

people if you have alternative tastes or if you're gay or whatever like you used to have to go to certain um you know places warehouses whatever it may be diy spaces to be in a community and there's it's not an entirely bad thing i mean it's a good thing that people don't have to maybe you know i don't think now people just they just meet online i'm like it's got in new york city thank god you know they're still they're still in underground and i've i know there's undergrounds other places i'm not saying there isn't but it used to just be more vital than it is now like it used to be the only place even when i was like a like a teen and like in my early 20s like instagram existed twitter existed

but like you still had to go to places if you wanted to kind of see other gay people or other freaks but now it's kind of like you can just do that on Instagram and you don't need to seek out places where it's not. Yeah, it just sucks. But it's not all bad. It's not. Yeah. You know, you got to get out to like I swear if this scene was happening, if you could like, you know, date people online. I probably my nature is I'm kind of a house cat.

So I probably I mean, I can remember nights going out like oh i gotta gotta go out if i'm gonna meet somebody i gotta strap on this dress yeah yeah yeah you know i'm kind of go to the club but then ultimately it's good and you feel good you got out yes you know for sure for sure but i could i could see myself just be clickety click click and you know yeah then my job forces me to be social too because i am not you need a lot of people by nature yeah and you have to like know how to chit chat and stuff you know like that didn't come naturally to me when i first started doing hair i just do hair and i wouldn't like talk or anything and yeah people would start like they would think it was them and they'd be like oh i'm sorry i'm

not talking well see i don't i don't really talk to my barber. And he doesn't really try to make conversation with me. Yeah, and that's cool, too. Like, I can kind of pick up on a vibe. But the thing is, most... We don't have a natural chemistry, me and my barber. And I like him. He's a great guy. Yeah.

He probably thinks I'm a weird little freak. But I'm like, we don't really have... Tell it. I don't know. I mean, I fist bumped his handshake. So, I definitely think something... It handshake. So it's so bad. It's so bad. But like he he doesn't really make an attempt.

That's so funny. He'll be like, it's like you don't have a hand and you just so bad. It's so bad. I want to cut my hands off before I go in. It's really not that bad. He probably feels worse about it than you do. No, it was absolutely my fault. It was absolutely like

he shook out his hand like this and i punched his fist or punched his open palm that's hilarious well it's better than like ending with a tongue kiss or something it's if i if he put his hand up for me to shake don't don't say that i'm gonna i'm gonna instinctively try to kiss him now because i'm i don't know what to do and it's like i when i first started doing hair i didn't think talking was necessary but i tell you what i maybe women especially oh women they love to i they want their lips and they feel weird they feel like something is strange if you're not making conversation. And I do think part of that is you really got to get to know somebody, get a good rapport going so that you know how they communicate about their hair and stuff. But at first I thought this was all, yeah, God, you know, when you're younger, you're like, oh, you know, they're asking you about the weather and, you know, how's your day and what are you doing this weekend? And all sounds so cheesy but really people like it believe it or not people like it i mean because i think there is like an inherent kind of awkwardness to it and i think people like having that tension cut with

just any amount of small talk well yeah yeah and i don't know if it's like women in particular but they kind of everybody's sizing each other up and yeah i like to break the ice and you know just let them know who I am the older I get I get less stressed about doing hair I'm just kind of like oh it's just another day like the stressful part of it is the communication for me and so now that's more exhausting like you know by the end of the day talking to people yeah yeah but I'm at the stage and i'm just like i'm me i am who i am i'm kind of goofy and whatever and like i'm just putting it out there and either they like it or they don't you know what i mean and they they do so for the most part you know what i mean so yeah i'm just being gonna be myself i would love to get a haircut from you you'd be an amazing hairdresser

well you need to come to cincinnati i'll have need to come to Cincinnati. Yeah. Next time I'll fly out. I have clients who've traveled farther. Really? What's the furthest they've traveled from? Well, I have a client who lives in New York. Oh, really? And, um, she, yeah, her, uh, well, I won't say her name. God, I almost just flat out said her name, but she teaches dance at one of the schools there. I will say that, but I, I, I did her care when she was in college here in town. And, um, it was so funny because, um, she, when she moved to New York, uh, I hadn't, didn't do her hair for a long time. And then she like found me on the internet and she started coming back to me. So she, she, her mom lives in like Louisville, which isn't far from here. So i see her quite frequently

that's amazing you know she comes in and gets her hair done and i you know i have people that you know she's like it's cheaper to just get a plane ticket for the cost of things i guess in new york to get your hair colored and cut can be quite expensive yeah i bet i mean for me it's a woman like 60 60 bucks for just a haircut here just to get and then i mean then i tip because it's like you know i you have to yeah he deserves it he he does a good job but we should we should wrap up jamie if anyone wants to get their haircut in cincinnati if you have any cincinnati seekers do you want to do you want to offer your services or give any plugs well i'm pretty busy you books just your shit out of luck

bitches she's too busy to cut your hair no no i'm not i always tell people i oh i always take client new clients um but like typically i'm booked like three weeks out so yeah well if but if i yeah you have a website or how would they book if they want well yeah i yes so it's if you google salon concepts so i rent a space from this place called salon concept so if they google salon concepts jamie okay or it's salon lofts we've been bought out by salon lofts i will put the link in the description for anyone in the ohio area or anyone who wants to travel further to get a haircut it's three weeks out maybe a month longer i don't know but maybe keep that in mind if you want to get a haircut in that area you can find

it i mean i just work three days so that's that and then i have a little side hustle where i buy and sell like um art and pottery and glass and stuff on on etsy or where are you doing i i just do it on like the facebook marketplace ebay okay if you want if i can include a link for that as well if you want me to oh no that's okay i don't even know the i don't even know the name of my ebay store honestly you know it's like i have people who follow me on there and then if you're looking for certain things you'll my stuff it sounds like a perfect little setup yeah so i that's my so three days a week i do hair and then i people people shouldn't have to work more than three days a week in my opinion it's perfect i have to say

yeah it is perfect absolutely i love working just three days well jamie thank you so much for joining us guys well thanks for having me i'm so happy to get you back on um do you want can i shout out your instagram can people follow you on Instagram? Do what? What about your Instagram? Can people? Oh, so yeah, absolutely. I'll get your Instagram. My Instagram's kind of confusing because it's like artful spaces, which has more to do with my buying and selling.

I'll put the link links for all of your stuff in the show description. And we'll be back later this week with an episode. And Jamie, thank you so much for joining us on this one. I really appreciate your time. It's been so much fun. Thank you. It was lovely seeing you and, and, uh, tell us, for joining us on this one. I really appreciate your time. It's been so much fun. Oh, thank you. It was lovely seeing you. And tell Hessa, I hope they're feeling better.

And I love Hessa. And Columbo is, oh my God, I love Columbo. We might be hearing from Columbo soon. She did a whole thing. She did a whole thing as Columbo. And I'm like, this is for me. I think she did this for me. She did.

And when you all did that caitlin jenner thing i never laughed so hard that was the funniest the three caitlin caitlin jenner it was with uh macy rodman and um k loggins and and was it hassa was in that too right yeah it was us four and then uh masha breeze also does a really good caitlin that she's on that on the shovel too that caitlin jenner that that was so i'm so happy you like it really makes it makes this work worth doing i'm being honest so good so funny and i love has such an old soul with her references and stuff which she is with movies and yeah that that bitch is always watching tcm at like 2 a.m. Yeah. I love it.

I love it. Absolutely. It's awesome. You guys are the power trio. Thank you so much. It means a lot. It makes us all very happy that you enjoy the show. Seriously.

I love it. Yeah. Okay. Well, you'll have to come back sometime. Turn twisted. Yeah. We'll have you back on with all three of us. It'll be fun to do that in the future.

Yeah. Yeah. Would love that. Okay future yeah yeah would love that okay perfect would love that i i need to get on jock for not doing his part at the muck what's it called where you guys are eating all the food he didn't eat the pig and you're eating those chicken the lips with hair and you and you did it that crunch was bizarre though oh it was horrible it was horrible it crunched like a carrot. But the much as he talks about eating all this exotic stuff. He's a liar. Being a big. He's a fucking liar. He's mincing around.

No, I know. The crab rancuns. Where's the crab? I know. He's got to cleanse his palate. With the crab rancun. Yeah. It cleanses palate.

But I love it. It cleanses palate from a pig lip he. Palate from a pig lip. He didn't even eat. He had to cleanse his palate from watching me eat it. It was so funny. Yeah. Yeah. Go check out our mukbang video, everyone. And Jamie, we'll have to check out.

Jamie, can we take a picture for the Instagram? I think I forgot to record video. So, but let's take a picture. Okay. Let's both mew. Oh, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. but let's take a picture let's both mew oh wait hold on hold on wait a minute I'll take another one

I'm laughing too much trying to mew there we go we got it yeah that's good right yeah of course alright bye everyone we'll be back soon and I love your hair There we go. We got it. There, that's good, right? Yeah, of course. Well, thank you. All right. Bye, everyone.

We'll be back soon. And I love your hair. Thank you so much. Don't cut it. Don't cut it. Don't cut those little Liza Minnelli whiskies you got on the side. Well, I'm going to keep the top pretty long, but then I need to cut the sides because then it just gets like, it goes over my ears.

I like a little of that fringy, though, around your ear, though. A little bit of that. I have to cut it at some point you know you could just like do it in a little curl and put hair tape on it like Josephine Baker wax it down you could rock that

I would look so crazy alright well until next time I'll let you go bye everyone okay Bye, everyone. Okay. Up and down is all Bet you might not start looking Like a love you loved before Good enough Oh, the sun might look so pretty Never such a sight

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