Seeking Derangements - SD 422 - Lo-Lardo Express

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Hello Seekers! Ben here, today Jacques, Hesse and I discuss Trump's Chronic Venous Insufficiency, Obama saying that young men need gay friends, and say farewell to Larry Sinclair (the guy who claimed to have hooked up with Obama.) He's dying. Plus Jacques tells us about the time he cock blocked a woman from her straight boyfriend. Then, Hesse and I sit down with journalist Dan Boguslaw who recently published all of Epstein's passwords. We talk about some of the recent fallout related to Epstein in MAGA world, how the democrats are responding to it, and take a peak at Epstein's Spotify and Pintrest. Subscribe to Dan's substack Deeper State and read his piece about sneaking into a George Santos event.

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I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm OK. Jock, this is not a video episode. Well, you could have just answered over text. Well, I'm not texting while I do this show. How are you doing today? Sassy little B. You're being sassy today? No, I'm saying you're being a sassy little B about it.

But I'm having a better day than you. Welcome to the sass episode. Welcome to the sass episode. You're having a better day than you. Welcome to the Sass episode. Welcome to the Sass, the Sass episode. You're having a better day than me. I'm actually, I'm having kind of, I wouldn't say a miserable day, but there is a heatwave in Des Moines, Iowa. And for various reasons, well, it's 97 degrees out right now, but for various reasons, this house has never had AC mostly due to

Unitarian eco fascist reasons on the part of my mom and then Central American reasons for my father but it is like it's absolutely fucking sweltering upstairs right now. I don't know if you can tell how shiny I am. I'm literally sweating. You look just as shiny and like greasy as you normally do. Right. I am shiny and greasy. I think for a shiny, greasy podcast, shiny, greasy people like the I am. So don't y'all can't talk very shiny.

Jock's more dry and red. Yeah. I've seen you two are on a roll today. I've seen Jack shine before. Oh, I see him shine every day. Every single day. I've seen you two stink. Right. You guys smell like eggs. I kind of like not having AC because I feel like the more you use AC, the more you use it, the more you need it. I'm fine in almost any situation

now, no matter how hot it is. Of course, not winter, I will always try to avoid winter if I can. But I think it does something for your spirit and for your soul to not be, to not have a life where you're just constantly trying to fight the heat. Yeah, I mean, look at people in Sicily. I mean, for hundreds and hundreds of years, they've been with some of the most level-headed, normal people on the planet. Look at the Middle East.

You know, it's very chill there. Everyone is very, you know, it's very reasonable. I don't know. I think it's a life-affirming thing. I'm not even trying to be facetious, but I do really. I mean, people constantly complain about beating the heat and how hot it is and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, honestly, just stop trying to avoid it, embrace being sweaty, embrace how humid it is, and just deal with it and get over it because

it's really not that bad. The cold is 10 times worse. Well, you're fine looking like a cream stained napkin at all times where you're... What does that mean? Well, what it means is that you're a guy... I never get sweat stains. Hold on for a second. I'm trying to actually address the other people, not you're sweating. What it means is that you're a guy. I never get sweat stains. Hold on for a second. I'm trying to actually address the other people, not you right now. I'm trying to address the other people about you.

So what the issue is that- For the people at home, Jacques is standing in front of a crowd of people giving a press conference. Yes. So yeah, Ben has this issue where he sweats too much and he exclusively wears white and cream colored clothing and his kind of I don't know how to say this but like barely burnt toast skin, you know, it just kind of blends in. Someone actually commented on a TikTok of mine recently and they said you look really tan. I

can't believe I've been following for joxalize. So just to say, and also I don't have hypohydrosis. You have hypohydrosis, bitch. Yeah, I think I might have it too, honestly. I get really sweaty. I get really sweaty and oily on my face, but I don't get like pit, you know, sweat stains ever. I get back sweat. That's a back and face.

That sounds like a genetic problem you might be suffering. I think people just sweat more from different parts of their bodies. But yeah, I think you sweat the world. Right. What does your B.O. smell like? Good enough for people to pay to sniff it. I feel like they're paying because it smells. Yeah, bad or strong. I don't know how often are people paying to smell you?

Well, I don't offer those services. So no one's ever offered to pay. Ben, I'll give you $20 if you send me a pair. How do you send me a shirt? I've got one beautiful woman, one beautiful woman, ready to pay $20 to smell my shirt, bitch. Jock, I'll send you $20 if you don't send me your shirt. Well, first of all, I wouldn't let you.

I wouldn't let you. That thing would light up the USPS security system. I wouldn't let you little piggy perverts sniff my pits. It would need to be sent with one of those hazardous warning labels on it. Yeah, people like address like the Hurt Locker in those big bomb suits. Sending a little robot to open the package.

Oh. Ha ha ha. Y'all can break me in every other way, but you can't break me in that way. But, Chuck, if you had to describe the scent, I mean, you have thousands of prospective customers listening now. How would you describe the scent of your BO, of your sweat?

Natural musk. Okay, give us some notes. Come on, really sell it. You're talking about your salesman. You can give us top notes. I said that people paid for me. I never said that I'm going around going extra extra smell my pits $20 extra extra smell all about it. If I had to, I'd say I'm I'm the purest member of the seeking derangements group. It's always defined in negatives, never in positive terms.

It's impossible for you to define something in positive terms. My co-host, how does this sound better? My co-host might smell okay. Still negative. I smell incredible and they do have a transmittable disease. HIV? Transmittable disease? Interesting. Okay. So no notes you're willing to offer on the smell, Jeff?

It's just undefinable. Unless you could afford me, you probably will never be able to smell this. How much is it? $250. Period. Not a bad deal. I'd be able to smell this. How much is it? $250. Period. Not a bad deal. I mean, I wouldn't pay for that, but... Really taking to heart what Angel Money said about $20 per second.

Okay, that was a very... When she took your ass to four school. That was like an answer as quick as I can. $250 is decent to just a smell right, you know, and then and then they die and you get you get all their money Look if they wanna if they want to try to bring me down because I answered $20 once that's fine I don't look like a muppet. Did you just pay them angel money? No, you just said if they want to bring me down. I meant that that's multiple people.

That doesn't mean that has nothing to do with it. Angel Money famously is a teacher at the school that Jenna Maroney went to in 30 Rock, the lower Florida school of dramatic tricks. Yes. Yes, yes. Dramatic. What's your B.O. smell? I'll offer mine for it. I have these notes of cumin,

penny, nickel, grass, chicken, chicken, no chicken. Fear of women. No, maybe that's maybe that's, you know, the effect it gives people. But those are, I would say those are my main notes.

Mostly human. Mine are fear, comma, women. Those are kind of the main, some of the main notes in my bouquet. I think I definitely, I definitely smell decent, I think. Hessa thinks she smells comma more like Kamala.

Period. That's like a joke Kamala would make. That would not land. That's why she lost the election. Wait, I hate this guy so much. He's incredibly fucking annoying, the subway takes guy, but speaking about Kamala saying crazy things. She did a subway takes and they had to can it because it was so random.

And the guy, the subway, Kareem Rama did an interview and he finally said what Kamala's take was. Wait, can we guess? Yeah, guess? Okay. Um, it's okay to arrest POC people for marijuana crimes, even if you smoked weed and listen to people of color people I think I think honestly, it's probably something so stupid like Halogen light bulbs look better than incandescent light bulbs or something. Right. Well, that would, I would say has said that would at least kind of near genuine discourse

that does actually happen about light bulbs and their varying quality. But no, the crazy thing about it is that like it wasn't something that was being talked about, not really talked about before. The take was bacon is a seasoning. Okay. And I'm just imagining the subway takes guy having to be like 100% agree. Well, he doesn't like pork. He's Muslim, which I think probably contributed some to why it had to be so awkward because he's like, I actually can't agree with you on this because I don't eat pork. But it's, I mean, it's just another instance of Kamala desperately flailing to be relatable

because even I mean, bacon, I guess, epic bacon, bacon and bacon and bacon and bacon, like that had a huge moment as we all know, but it was a full 10 years ago and it is kind of now... You know... Way over. Way over. Yeah. And it's fully just turned into people like Gen Z's saying that stuff ironically now. Yeah. And I mean, it really, for some reason, it reminds me of the South Park episode. I know Jacques is going to like this reference, the South Park episode. I know Jacques is gonna like this reference,

the South Park episode where the manatees pick random balls with random things written on them. And that's how Family Guy gets written. And it's like, bacon is a seasoning. It's just two things that she's like, well, I guess like it's normal for me to talk about stuff like this to people, you know, like, yeah I'm just I'm wondering give her a break. She never stood a chance of being human or Right, right real right. I mean I bacon is not a seasoning also

No, it's just it's like it's so fucking stupid even say this and I just I wonder how focused group it was like if this was her if this was her most genuine attempt to like register with young men because she's like bacon. I put it on my food. Yeah, I have to say I'm imagining her grinding the bacon to a very thin, easily spreadable powder and that being used as a Bacon does bacon bits exists, right and they do exist Fuck up you always got a your dog

It did make me think of you though jock because that's something I can see you saying. Yeah, like gumming bacon powder. Yeah, all I'm doing bacon powder is now. Yeah, your pupils get really tiny. I will say that I do, one of my favorite reasons to eat like eight pieces of bacon at a time is it just gives you this really nice feeling of of time slowing down. I think that I think that's a cardiac arrest Cardiac arrest our president is having a lot of Issues with his veins. He was diagnosed with let me see what it was here. There was a photo So there were photos of vein thrombosis big angry thumb boater. It's something

Right. It's something like that. I think it's like a pre condition to deep vein thumb thumb brosis. However you say that. Deep vein trombosis, Trump bonus. Right. You got trombone veins. You got deep vein trombones. That's a Cajun ailment.

Like you got trombone veins. You got the jazz in your heart, sweetheart. You've got the jazz in your heart is so funny. So it's called CVI, which is... Cog and dick disorder. Right. I believe it's chronic venous insufficiency. Basically, it's just like his blood is pooling in his legs. To condition with the veins, especially in the legs don't officially return blood to the heart causing symptoms like swelling, aching and skin changes. White House physician

Navy Captain Sean Barbella confirmed ultrasound revealed chronic venous insufficiency, a benign and common condition, particularly individuals over the age of 70. But this was of course, after someone took a photo of Trump sitting down at a sports game of some sort and his, the tree trunks on him, the maga cankles were insane. Oh my god, I got to see this picture. And he had a mini Diet Coke next to him. So the scales, like the reference points in the photo for what size things are is so funny because it makes his ankles look fucking massive. Oh my god. Which you know he does.

I feel like his skin and body makeup is closer to the makeup of a hot dog than to that of regular human body. It looks like his legs are being poured into his shoes and overflowing out of the side. It's really what it looks like. Right. I mean, it doesn't seem like there's much else going on with him, health wise, but yeah, no signs of deep vein thrombosis, any heart failure, kidney impairment or systemic illness. Oh my god.

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for him. He does not look very good. I've always thought that Trump would just be one of those guys who's like, literally preserved from all the preservatives and chemicals he's eaten. But I mean, they all have to die at some point and he is 78. I mean, but look at him. Look how tan he is. You know, he's got a healthy pallor to him. He's got a healthy glow. Yeah, he looks like he's been on the safari every day for the last two weeks Mm-hmm. I'm president cheeto, you know What do you think jock? Do you think this do you think he's gonna die anytime soon you yeah I mean you experience myriad of health issues. Yeah

Look, honestly, if anything, he's gonna live More than he's gonna die Because he's got access to anything he needs to survive. Like, okay. Are you jealous? Well, yes. He, how, how, how he doesn't have to have- Of his team of doctors?

Well, I mean, he, he, why does it, why, why do I have, why do I have to have kidney failure and he can't even have a schmidge of kidney- Sorry, are you having kidney failure? Yeah, I- What? I'm having kid- this, uh, they had to pull me off of the antibiotic medicines. I got my blood test back from the hospital yesterday and the medicine is giving- was giving me kidney failure so they had to pull me off of it.

Don't you like- Like kidney failure? Do you have to go to dialysis now? No, I mean I don't think you have kidney failure. Something's going really wrong with my kidneys and I don't think it's fair that Trump gets to eat McDonald's more than me and he doesn't have to have a kidney problem. Are you even eating that much McDonald's? Not me and he doesn't have to have a kidney problem. Are you even eating that much McDonald's?

Not any at all, really, honestly. If I had to be- You've just been on an all antibiotics diet for about a year. Yeah, but also I will admit- I mean, antibiotics are really unhealthy and bad for your system. I will admit, I did have a pretty unhealthy meal today for breakfast at the Houston airport. After finding out you had kidney failure. God, I can only imagine what an unhealthy meal would look breakfast at the Houston airport. After finding out you had kidney failure. God, I can only imagine what an unhealthy meal would look like

at the Houston airport. Well, I got a Whataburger honey butter chicken biscuit, and I also got a sausage, egg, and cheese mayonnaise. I got something called the Brink from Fatfuckers. Shut up. Shut up. Listen. Shh.

OK, and then after I got those two items from Whataburger, I went to Panda Express and I got the sugar shrimp, which I hadn't had in a long time. Well, you've got to have the sugar shrimp. And then I had a Red Bull and a coffee, and I had a bottle of San Pellegrino Do you ever think maybe you'd feel better if you ate a little so I just did I just I just crunched the calories on your

Your meal at so it's only like a hundred what 200 calories Let me wait what it was the it was the water burger, honey biscuit, sugar shrimp. And what else? The almond, the shrimp stuff and then the it's a breakfast sandwich. Yeah, breakfast on a bun. So it really was kind of close to the joke meal that I came up with the brick where it's a breakfast on a bug 700 calories in You clocked 1400 calories this morning. Well, yeah, I mean I had to get to the airport He's a lot of energy and you have to sleep a little mostly sitting at the airport. Yeah well actually actually it's actually quite a lot of walking.

And I'm always going to the furthest gate that you could imagine that you've never, ever thought you would have to travel to. Right. You know, like you're like, god, luckily I don't have a flight at E42. I do always have some random ass flight at E42. I'm sure you do.

I don't doubt that at all. You're kind of the most random traveler of all time. They're like, you're going to need to go to gate chimpanzee 29. And I say, excuse me. Because they need to put you on those planes that carry elephants around. Yeah, I feel like it.

I'm not kidding. When I was flying home from Aspen, I had to go to, my plane was late coming in. And I had to run to the gate. I hate running. I hate running. It's so humiliating. We come in, we came in at gate B4. Wait, so was it you and your whole family running?

No, I was on a separate flight from my family. So I was by myself, but, cause I was, they were flying back to Buffalo. I was flying back to New York. And I like basically ran, I went, like we flew in at gate B4 and I had to go to gate B95. It's like, are you fucking kidding me man?

I didn't even know you could do that hasseh I Couldn't I barely could I mean I got there and it was like I was sweating Must have been so much more sweaty than you are you normally are I am very sweaty. I'm Italian so I do have a bit of More sweaty because you're Cajun. Well, see that would be really you're really dry. Well, yes. First of all, I suffer from a type of psoriasis and eczema. So I'm real dry.

But has this got a vagina too. So I just imagine she's got to be wet. What's your skin? My skin care routine. Yeah. Like for your face? None. I mean, I don't- You don't moisturize or anything?

I just bought my first moisturizer. You just bought your first moisturizer? On this trip. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. And then, you know- You gotta wash your face first, sweetie,

and then you put it on. Yeah, you cleanse. I don't wash my face. You should probably wash your face. It's kind of bad for you. I mean, I wash it sometimes when I get meat in my beard. You should get a cleanser. And maybe a beard cleanser, like an oil-based beard cleanser.

I use HyvaCleanze, which is a septic cleanser. It's okay. Oh, whatever, whatever. I use Hibaclans, which is a septic cleanser. Isn't okay. Oh, whatever. Whatever. I use Drano on my beard. What were you going to say, Ben? I want to know, please. Sorry. I was just saying I think maybe you should get an actual cleanser for your face. I think you should get yourself a doctor. Yes. I have a question for you. I've been rewatching. I rewatched one of my favorite shows, Band of Brothers.

And I'm currently rewatching another one of my favorite shows, The Pacific. And in both shows, there is a Cajun. And in Band of Brothers, the Cajun is the. Frank Gordon, the medic. Oh, yes. Yes, he's a famous figure. Yes.

By the way, has a you know that that's my ex best friend's grandfather. Yes. Very sweet, sweet, sweet papa. She's not a sweet girl. I think she's a very sweet girl. She's a friend of mine. Ben would Ben would stand up for the person that dangles their child over a roof. Oh, let's not talk about mothers and their children again on this show, please.

Also, that's not true, but... It is true. You just said she's a sweet girl. She is a sweet girl. Oh, okay. So you like it when she doesn't like it. I didn't realize, Jacques, like how, that this was a famous figure until just now. Knowing the name is really incredible. And also in the show, Frank Gordon describes something called a traiteur,

which is a Cajun faith healer, or a traiteuse, which is a. This koo-yan don't know nothing about. Frank Gordon also once stopped a man who is driving a car and he said why are you driving this Cadillac and he said It's mine and it Infuriated Frank Gordon so much that a black man was driving a car They punched him square in the face and the guy crashed the car into an oak tree Was the guy crashed the car into an oak tree. Jesus. Typical war hero. Also Frank Gordon was the guy driving when he crashed it when you pulled the motor. Gordon was a crazy punishment for a guy creative with the punishments for the children.

Okay, let's not talk. Whoa. No, we got to, Ben, we have to talk about this. I'm sorry, I must be talking about... I know these people personally. You don't know them personally. You've met them a few times. You don't have to lie and act like you're on someone's team. You don't really know this person. I do. I'm allowed to talk about... Just don't like shit talking civilians.

Oh, I just don't... I don't like... It's not even about... Just wait. Well, Frank Gordon definitionally was not a screen. He was a combatant. Fair enough. Yeah, he was a combatant. I mean, he's a book writer. So if you don't want to be talked about. Just say we have to say about how he's abusing his children allegedly. No, it's not even that.

This is not even that abusive bit. What Chuck said, Ben, was that he was the punisher, created the punishments for the children. Let me just get it really quickly. The girls would leave their shoes out at night and as a form of punishment, he would soak them in water and put them in the freezer and then wake up before them and then put the shoes back where they left them. So when they went to go put them on before school, their feet would get wet and cold.

I feel like that's maybe just because I that might be that would feel kind of nice. Honestly, I mean Okay, the the the two of the girls were taking each other's clothes So the punishment was it is that they had to completely change Trade out like all of their outfits like it was like oh you got you got caught stealing your sister's clothing Now y'all have to trade clothing forever. OK, but Jacques, I also want to talk about the other, the more important to me Cajun character in this time in the show, The Pacific, if you've ever seen it. Are you aware of it?

No, I don't. Do you know in the special forces? You know, he is in the Marines. He's a Marine mortar person. And he is played in a breakout role by Rami Malik. And his name is a Cajun. Yes, he plays a Cajun. They are not that dark.

No, I mean, that's, I think this specific Cajun was like half- Oh wait, no, I got confused with Riza Ahmed. Rami Malek is not that- No, he's quite dark in this. He's Egyptian. He, like, um, and he, I think this character, the character that he's based on is like, um, was like half black or a quarter black or something. And so it kind of makes sense. But like Rami Malek is so unbelievably hot in this role. It's like- He's kind of freaky looking. I think he is like so gorgeous.

Like, hang on, let me, I'm gonna look up a picture of him in the Pacific and screen share it. Yeah. I know, but like when he's not wearing his shirt and he's like the scariest character because he's like a psycho, it fucking whips, dude. He's awesome. You think that could be Danny DeVito's lost child? No. Why? Did your mom have a fling with Danny DeVito or something? No, I was just thinking about his body type. My dad looks kind of like Danny DeVito.

Yeah. My dad has a kind of Danny DeVito thing going on, but no. Like, look at this gif, you guys. Yeah, he is pretty sexy. Oh, I love... Isn't that unreal? I love Rami Malek. Yeah.

Usually I don't find him to be very attractive. Maybe it's because he's like covered in blood and yelling at this. Yeah. Yeah. He's always he's constantly covered in blood and he's constantly yelling. Hester, what else has he been in? He was in the master. Freddie Mercury. Hey, what the fuck is his Freddie Mercury? Yeah. Freddie Mercury in the gay AIDS guy.

That's a guy. Bohemian, Bohomo, Rasmody. speaking speaking of gay guys. Did you guys see that? Did you guys see that Obama? recently said that young men should have gay friends I Did see that that was that's the worst piece of advice you could tell anyone. Oh, let me be clear Young men should have gay friends. And I think old men should as well. Let me be clear. You don't know how hot you are until you queerbait a gay man.

No homo. But you need a man to tell you you look hot without saying no homo afterwards. Right. Or else you don't know. He was specifically talking on Michelle Obama's podcast that she does with her brother, which is called IMO, in my opinion, I believe that's what it's called. Maybe you said for I am Michelle Obama. I'm not really sure. But it is in Michelle Obama.

I am Michelle Obama abbreviated as such an insane title. I think it's just called IMO. I don't know. I'm assuming it means in my opinion. But it is just so humiliating for them and for us that post presidency now, especially for Obama, is just producing Netflix shows and having a wife that does a podcast. Yeah, I mean, they're they're like tearing, they're having a great time. Do you think they're still? Are they divorced?

Do you? Well, he went on to address the rumors that they were getting divorced and they are not getting divorced. Yeah, six days ago, he addressed these rumors. So interesting. Yeah, six days ago, he addressed these rumors. So interesting. Yeah, he just went on and was like, so we should talk about something. I love my wife and I would never leave her even though she has said many times that she hates me. Yeah, I mean, do you think it's like a Bill Clinton thing where it's kind of like she has him on the ropes for something that he did.

Yeah, for sure. Or, I mean, I kind of just feel like they, I don't think they have as a rocky relationship as Bill and Hill Dog, but I mean, I'm sure they have more of a business arrangement than a genuine marriage at this point. So by the way, the name of the podcast is actually just Michelle Obama podcast. But what was the last time Obama did something really gay besides denying that he was getting divorced? Well, unfortunately, the man who claimed to have sucked his dick in Chicago died did cope with him. No, he is actively dying right. But Larry Sinclair is dying.

Let me go to his Instagram. He had made a really sad post. Also kind of a jock style post on his Instagram. Oh my God. Oh my God, I love that. He does kind of have a jock. I mean, is he from Louisiana? Is he Cajun?

Look at this photo. That is so jock that it's not even funny, dude. I'll make this the episode art. But this is what Larry has to say about his current situation. All of the photos are him in a hospital bed or hanging out with a bunch of Mexican kids that aren't his, but they all love him and call him uncle. So I don't really know what's going on there. But Larry said, I regretfully inform you all that any hope in treating the infections in my feet, or the massive amounts of fluids

collecting in them and in my heart is is slim. My heart failure and kidney failures is no longer reality. He's not a very articulate man. Yeah, articulate man. It is most certain that I will suffer complete heart failure and then not to distant future. I had already been in the end stages of it when it was discovered on June 30th, 2025. And if it occurs to the data and research, it will be sudden and will most likely happen while I'm asleep. If only I can be so lucky just once in my life. My sincere, my love this guy. My sincere thanks, gratitude, appreciation to friends who have gone above and beyond to try and help

me delay the outcome. Yeah, I mean, a genuine sending all genuine love to Larry. I think you're a king. And I'm very sorry you are struggling with this. It sounds like you're reading a page from my diary. Right, no. I was spooked at how, since he's had these health problems, I was spooked at how since he's had these health problems I've been I was spooked at the parallels between your Instagram with the health updates with If I could only be so lucky to die my sleep y'all like

Was spooked at the parallels here, but you're not dying chalk. Yeah. Yeah, you're alive. You're alive You're like Larry Sinclair is old for what his lifestyle is and I think a worse lifestyle than jock He was smoking crack and sucking off rock. Oh, yeah I'm sorry. I just wanted to really just I think I might have misheard something I'm just there is there something wrong with the way that I live my life Hessa No, I just said I just said he has a much more unhealthy lifestyle than you right? So are you saying that I leave my life unhealthy? I would say yes.

Are you saying that because I had beef tongue for two days in a row? That's part of it, perhaps. When did you have beef tongue today? Did you have time to eat beef tongue? No, it was the day before yesterday. But I had a Mexican baked potato the first night. And then the next day from a Jewish jelly, I had thinly sliced beef tongue in a kind

of a Reuben style sandwich. You guys ever see it? Yeah, I serve cold beef tongue. guys are calling tongue. I love beef tongue I love beef tongue as well. I do you guys ever do you guys ever see those? I get them on my tick tock all the time. There's this like Kind of like tripe shop or not like like awful. They they serve like organ meats It's like a shop in Italy and they just have like All these like disgusting looking like

really crazy looking like Oregon meats dangling over this table and it's so like moist that like water is dripping off of them. I don't really like tripe. Oh my god. It's so, I would go crazy on one of those crazy containers because they like do it and then they pour like they squeeze a lemon on top of all this chopped up lung and liver and beef tongue and all this crazy looking, almost looks like a first generation AI tried to figure out what meat looks like and it failed. Stop saying such erotic things.

You are making me rock hard right now. I am. Yeah. I feel like a diamond just formed on the tip of my penii. And it's actually penii. Oh my god. You guys, I got a kidney stone on the top of my penis. But any, I mean, do you you back to what Obama was saying? Do you guys think that young

men should have gay friends, gay mentors? He was saying this in the context. He was saying this in the context of young men. It was kind of crazy. I don't necessarily disagree with him. He was just like, you know, men are men grow up with their fathers as the kind of Representation of what masculinity is and there's many forms of masculinity And that's why it's important to see other forms and other types of men and even if they're gay He was like I had a gay professor who really taught me a lot and I was like, I I know how you pass that I know you pass that class Barack. I mean gay people are the most dangerous people you can invite into your life So I genuinely believe that I know you pass that class Barack gay people are the most dangerous people you can invite into your life. So I genuinely believe that.

I mean, I'm Yeah, look, there was a gay guy that I used to date. And he told me specifically, I don't want you becoming friends with my Denver friends. And then I became friends with you and Stephen and Kareem and now look how my life has gone completely wrong. It's my fault? Yes. What have I done?

What do you mean? Hired you on a show that pays you a lot of money to work two hours a week instead of being a dishwasher? Now, wait a minute. That is not what I said. Did I ever even say the word dishwash? Did I ever even say the word dishwash? Well, I'm just wondering how I've destroyed your life.

I'm just wondering how you got so much butter stuck in your ears. So you can't evasion tactics yet again. Evasion tactics? I'd never served in the military. You're on a fuller record. For the record, Your Honor, there is no such thing as an evasion tactic on a fat-bodied.

Well, I want to know. Why don't you answer it then? The jury, the Cajun juries shaking their heads looking at Ben in the defendant's chair. My constituents, this pale man, you believe words out of his northern mouth instead of my southern tongue. How have I destroyed your life? How have you destroyed my life?

Yeah. Be honest if this is what you actually mean. Giving me scabies. Let's see. Honestly, just all the times that you spoke to my parents without me knowing, telling them that I had a serious drug problem. And that just you know, I've also never done that. He's just making no, I'm not just making things up people listen up if you're listening to this podcast right now I'm gonna list you five ways that been more has Purposely hurt me or ruin parts of my life number one

While I was sleeping he cut off both of my pinky toes. It makes it incredibly hard to balance. Yeah, and I do incredibly hard y'all. I remember this Ben sewed them together end to end and said this is what I call a double pinky. I wear them on a necklace now. No, okay. Well, since Jacques won't go along with this, I do think that it's that he made a fair enough point. It's fine. I did go with this. I said it's a dangerous road to walk down.

Okay, well, can you give me an actual example instead of... Yes, invite a gay person into your life and you might end up watching RuPaul's Drag Race. Your intelligence might go down and you might miss that there is a World War III going on because you're too concerned about who's going to win All-Stars XIX. And then they like become transgender or something? I never said the words transgender, you trans hater. I mean, also, I do want to say, I'm sorry. That's okay. I forgive you. Jacques, you apologize to me too, please. Yes. I'm so sorry that you are- For naming yourself Vagida Jones,

me too please. Yes, I'm so sorry that you're naming yourself Vagina Jones, which is a direct insult to me. That is not a direct, that was a... Because you know I named my Vagina Jones. No, no, no, no. Vagina Jones is the parody character that I, if I made a generic version of Sex and the City, that's always been established. That would be a really good name actually for us, Samantha Perry. The name's Vagina Jones. And I'm a PR. I'm a PR woman, but I also love to get my, get into some penis raunchiness, if you know what I mean.

Do you think Junie B. Jones is related to Samantha Jones? Junie B. Jones? Samantha Jones would have a sister who is like, I'm the normal one. I just like write books and I'm wholesome. And I'm, you know, not horny all the time. horny sisters, I feel like always have a sister who is a gum sister, a sister with crazy gums. And it's so married and loyal and writes children's books. Yes. Yeah, permanently engaged gum sister. Yes.

So, Mantha Jones has two sisters, Judy Bloom and Jane Austen, and they're both authors. I do think it's a good point that men should have gay friends just because if you're a young man and you don't have gay friends you're a homophobe once no once you grow up you kind and meet gay people you kind of don't know how to act normal right and then like the only thing you ever end up talking to them about is how they're gay and how you don't care that

they're gay and it becomes like the only thing. And like they'll, you know, I mean, this is kind of I personally love those conversations, but it is no, it becomes more rare and rare as I get older, I think, particularly because gay people do kind of just control culture now. And I mean, yeah, I have those all the time. And like the ones I have, it's like, okay, I'm at the age now where it's not real. I'm starting to get annoyed by it. Well, I knew those people knew trans people when they're in

high school. Yeah, well, they knew me. But I, you know, wasn't general. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, it can get very, can get very grating to have phone conversations with a drunk friend who's like, right. Wait, what was the first word that they would use to describe you in high school besides gay or insecure? Probably faggot, honestly. They probably called me a bitch. No one was homophobic to me because I was too mean. I mean would call me a fact but like for fun like this one high school I went to they called me Michael Jackson because I would wear these gold

Shut the fuck up because I would wear gold ankle boots and a big red Wool blazer that's so funny of them to not just call you a faggot. Yeah. Michael Jackson. Well, also they call me Stanky Leg, but it's because I did the Stanky Leg. My leg stunk, dude. My leg was wrong. No.

It was before the dance was invented. Y'all are so mean. I know. Sorry. No, I think on just kind of boilerplate practical advice, having gay friends is not necessarily like an incendiary piece of advice. But of course, people are all calling Obama a groomer now, which is like fucking hilarious. Yeah, Jessica Waters. That's beautiful. Jessica Waters hilarious. Yeah, Jessica waters. Jesse Jesse waters, Jessica waters, Jessica waters. I love Jesse water show. He's so fucking

funny. Who's Jesse waters? Jesse waters is a Fox News host correspondent. And you have that clip lined up. Oh, yeah, actually, let's I have this clip. I was going to do the thing that in a previous episode, I queued to jock up to say a bunch of horrible things about Lorde and then played a Ben Shapiro clip and they were saying the exact thing. I didn't really succeed in making jock agree with Jesse Waters here. I did try, but you gotta tell me about these plans. I'll let you know for the next setup. But this is what Jesse Waters had to say about it. Decades calling men toxic and shipping their jobs overseas. And now they're asking, where did all the men go? Obama's trying to save the party he destroyed. So he's on a map.

But there's one problem. The brothers don't listen to him anymore. So he's trying to train... The brothers don't listen to him anymore. listen to him anymore. So he's trying to train brothers. Anyway, he goes into girls. Iraq's got his own rules for men. But these are the rules that made men leave the party in the first place. Barry says guys don't always have to be the providers. As long as they talk. Ben, can you pause real quick? Yeah, I just want to address the the chiron at the bottom of the screen. Yeah, Obama has a man problem. I love it.

It's the most he's always such a melodramatic diva. I love Jesse Waters. We just so fucking funny. Yeah, Ben, there's a phone number, text Jesse at the bottom. We have to write a text to him, obviously, after this clip. We should. OK, let's watch the clip, and I'll think about an angle on a text thing.

I mean, this is basically it. He's in the interview on the show. We have to get to the trans stuff, too. He didn't just say he wanted to transition boys to women. Let's keep going. Talk about their feelings. A lot of male identity and status was tied up with being a provider, having a job. He's so hot.

I love him. He's so fucking hot. I mean, I hate him. The older he gets, the hotter he gets. Yeah, he's very sexy. Yeah, I'm arguing that men shouldn't be providers or caretakers is like Some weak stuff Okay, like why like he can't just cuz he was president you just are agreeing with just We didn't have to trick you

It seems like you know He he's good enough to be a president, but not a daddy. And I think that's kind of inconsiderate to women. Look how good his shirt fits. Yeah, he looks fantastic. He looks amazing. I mean, he's an evil, evil man, but yeah, he's hot and dresses well. He's hot as fuck.

Doing a good job coming home. And when folks started, all right, let's get back to Jesse. Shut up Obama. We wouldn't have to talk about our feelings if Obama didn't send her jobs to China. So melodramatic. I know. How we feel about that, by the way, angry. That's why we voted Trump. But Barack doesn't just

want you on the couch. He's telling guys to put down the baseball and pick up a playbill. They have to be able to okay. That's enough. But that no no I really want to keep learning here to be more than just I don't give a shit about what the Obamas are saying. I had a game. My god, Jesse, give us commentary. You don't have to date your gay friend. But when you do date girls, Obama says you don't always have to pay. Make them pay. OK, I'm. Yeah, what do you think?

I'm on Obama's side. OK, the lid is jumping out when the check hits the table. I'm like, you know, honestly, it would be really sexist of me to always pay the meal because you assume I'm a man, but you don't even know my real gender identity. And so you as a woman have to pay. Okay. Okay. The degrees to which you switch up is, I guess it is truly non-binary in this way where you are like, men have to be providers, but when the check hits the table, I am they them in a skirt. And how dare you assume my pronouns.

Well, Jacques, I will say I pay for women. I pay for women, but men pay for women. That's true. Jacques, I went to dinner with Jacques last time he It was jock. I went to I went to dinner with jock last time. He was in New York I went to dinner with jock and a wonderful gal he was seeing and You did pay for both of us jock. I'm Honestly very big on paying. Can you get close to your mic, please? I'm really big on paying women I that's why I like giving money to strippers big on paying women. That's why I like giving money to strippers. Right. Also, I love giving gifts like jewelry to women and presents, but men seldom deserve anything ever.

I mean, I'm not big on buying things for my... To be honest, to be honest, I'm still severely under impressed by men. Men have really let down me and society. Yeah, you haven't had a man in years, Jacques. It's been all women all the way down. Well, I will say I did start seeing a guy. The guy who doesn't want you to curse? Well, no, he doesn't care that I curse curse but he doesn't believe in cursing. Can

you explain what that means? How old is he also? He's 36 almost 37 girl what you said old? How old are you? 32? Oh my god. What if you're dating a senior citizen. No, I'm not dating. Let me just say this first of all. I'm not even dating this person. He's just nice to me. He drove me to the airport and I was like about to kick him out of my house because I had had enough and then he turned and he said, I'll give you a full body massage unless

you really are ready for me to leave. And I said, well'll give you a full body massage, unless you really are ready for me to leave. And I said, well, honestly, and he didn't just give me like a like a like a freaky massage. He gave me like a tactical professional. A gun. Okay, let's get the rest of the rest of the sabbatical. Let's get to the rest of the sabbatical. Talking to Malia Sassi, sometimes they go out with their friends and they're in a group

and the guy's got crocodile arms. Not picking up photos. Not picking up photos. What does that mean? I think that means they're not reaching onto the table to grab the check, to grab the bill. I thought he was making a reference to the famous gay T-Rex arm. I did too. Yeah. I thought he was talking about limp wrists. Maybe it could be taken like that. I'm interested to see if Jesse Waters picks up on that.

Yeah, let's keep going. Yeah. And it's like, okay, you don't have to pick it up all the time. But if you're never picking enough, right? That's a problem. Following Obama's rules for men isn't easy. That's why he's glad he didn't have a son. I think we did a pretty good job of raising our books. But I've said often that I think I would have had more difficulty raising a son. I agree. Because I think I might have been more judgmental, harder.

If Obama had a son, he'd probably vote Trump. Because boys rebel against dads like that. If this is how Democrats think they're going to win back men, they're never going to win again. Stop playing sports, talk about your feelings, go to the theater with gays, make women pick up the check. Go to the theater with gays. When this guy was president, he golfed, played basketball, smoked cigs, killed Bin Laden.

Now he goes on his wife's podcast, crosses his legs and says he's glad he didn't have a son. Crosses his legs. What has Michelle done to him? Okay, his pants are a little short there. I love Jesse Waters. He's so funny. I love that he sees Barack with his legs crossed and he's like, how Michelle has completely whipped this man into submission to the women's will. He is now a certified fag-aroney. I mean, I don't think anything Obama said was that crazy. But it's just so funny to see Jesse Waters try to stir up controversy about it. I think they probably don't want to talk about Epstein also. This was like a blessing. Of course they don't want to talk about Epstein also. So this was like a blessing. Yeah.

But no, I mean, my piece of advice to young straight men is get a gay friend because I've said this before, gay men are always hanging out with the hottest bitches. Absolutely. Gay men basically major in sucking dick too. So if you feel like you have a girlfriend that doesn't do it well enough then right Get yourself a tried that before talk. Have you tried to? Outsource my outsource me getting my cock sucked because my girlfriend wasn't doing it. Oh, you're the straight. You're the straight

Oh my god, that's so funny. No, have you ever tried to suck off a straight guy? Oh my god, that's so funny. No, have you ever tried to talk off a straight guy? No, because it's a straight guy. You literally never tried? You've never, have you ever had a straight friend who you were like, I mean, besides Ben, who you like had a crush on and you were like. Right, right.

I had a straight guy that I was secretly dating and seeing and me and his girlfriend were competing and he would he would text He would get fucked up and he would text me and his girlfriend at the same time to meet him after the bar and Me and I had the keys to the back of his house and his girlfriend are the keys to the front of his house and there was a time where we both got there at the same time and I She she they stay with my man. You bitch. What she got she has like 60 or 70 pounds on me

So I I got to her to his door quickly and I slammed it and he said what was that and I said Sorry, I just Started raining right there. Oh There's a raccoon outside She's just started raining right there. Oh, there's a raccoon outside There's some bitch outside your door And so then what happened did she just did she just go away and you hooked up with him? Yes It's really baller good for you. Yeah, this is like an Oscar Wilde short story

Was there any fallout from this did the the girl? Oh, there was years on and off of fallout. The girl used to be my best friend. And then one time they broke up and he came to me and he was like, hey, I actually have been in love with you the whole time. I'm actually gay and I want to be with you. And he brought me around town and introduced everyone to me as his boyfriend The next day was Valentine's Day. He got back together with his that girlfriend and then

Treated me like I was making the whole thing up even though people saw it the next day I went back and forth with like this for years, but then also every time I went to his house or hooked up with him, I would fill all of my pockets up with weed and I would just take it would be like my reparations. The job tax, the job reparations. And then, I mean, they're. I'm picturing it because you have a lot of pockets at all times. So I'm picturing these huge cargo shorts that are down to...

Eventually, after years of this back and forth, back and forth, him and that girl finally got engaged. I saw them at a Christmas party. We all had an amicable time. It was friendly. We hadn't seen each other in years. It felt like all the drama was gone. I offered to give them a ride home in the Uber that I was taking because I knew that they lived right close to where I was going to stay at the

night. And so I dropped them off and the girl got out of the car first and the guy got out of the car second and he leaned in in front of the Uber when I was sitting in the front seat of the Uber and tried to kiss me in front of his fiance. And if that wasn't bad enough, I repeated the story the next day to one of her bridesmaids. Of course.

And this girl we went to high school with, so I thought she would just keep it secret. No, she started a Facebook message chat with every single person in the brides party saying, there's this gay guy Who's trying to break up the wedding? Well, do you think maybe you misinterpreted him doing something else as him trying to know? Lean in front of me. He leaned in front of her and got as close as he could to To my face making them kind of face

to my face making the kind of face. So unless he was having a stroke at that moment in his head. Maybe it's like a European goodbye type thing. This guy is a Cro-Magnite. He is a Neanderthal. He's not European. OK. Cro-Magnite sounds like a supplement you would take, Shocking, that you found on Amazon or

Ali Guapa. It sounds like something racist guys on Twitter would be saying that their ancestors were. He just was really hairy, almost had a unibrow, and he was stout and poorly. It sounds hot. Well, yeah, I feel like that's usually what happened. That's why you don't suck straight guys off. He also didn't believe in mental health. He told you, no, no, not believing in mental health.

No way. Oh, what a fucking dumbass. What a asshole. My first boyfriend in high school actually married him to a woman. I appreciate the wedding, which is my first boyfriend ever and a lifelong girlfriend of mine. That's beautiful. And it wasn't weird. My first boyfriend name sounds made up but it's real. Do you want to share what it is? Yes, I will share because I'm just like that. Also, my number is 3372961249. My ex boyfriend's's name first boyfriend ever had Stanton Valentino He sounds hot. That's a that's a hot name. That was a hot. It was a hot name back in the day

We we kiss we kissed at the party movies movie star honestly Stanton Valentino right now He's like a Rudy Valentino the famous the famously gay They were all also gay back. He's like the only exes that blocked me. Do you know do you want to hear something really funny? Rudolph Valentino his funeral Just to make it so that no one thought he was gay. This would have been in like 1930 or something He like thing. He like, he killed himself famously. And then during his funeral to make him seem less gay, he put they put a fake wreath sent by Mussolini on his grave. And yeah, they invited a bunch of actors to pretend to be Italian fascists and come and like salute

the of actors to pretend to be Italian fascists and come and like salute the the can I ask you a question is being and then we got it and then we got a wrap-up but yeah go ahead does being a fan of Mussolini make you not a cocksucker or what's the connection I think that was his that was his logic because he was Italian and he he was like no I'm a man's man that's why I love it's but it's so funny, it's so Queenie and gay to like stage your funeral after you die. Yeah, absolutely. Like get a bunch of actors in.

What the fuck? He also famously had an obsidian black mold of his cock mane. He was the first guy to have a custom dildo made for his exact hard dick. And he gave it to one of his friends. It was found at his friends, the site of his friend's suicide, allegedly. That is insane. So you think his friend stuck himself, stuck the obsidian dick up himself and then committed

suicide because he felt bad about it? Maybe that's how he died. Maybe that's why they found it. You might never know. I think there literally are rumors to that effect. I that's why they found it. You might never know. There literally are rumors to that effect. I mean these are all rumors. This is probably not true. I mean there are pictures of his casket with Mussolini.

The Mussolini wreath on it. Well we do have to wrap up to get to a little interview. But if you like what you heard, go subscribe to our Patreon. Patreon.com slash seeking derangements All right, guys, we're here for a little bonus interview with Dan Bogaslaw, reporter, friend of mine. You just got a big scoop on Epstein's passwords. But I think before we get to that, it'd be fun to talk a little bit about what's been happening in Epstein world for the past week or so.

Last I saw, I mean, were clips from TP USA where Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, all of the like Trump diehards were basically being like, we're pissed that he's not releasing the list. And from liberal media, I've just seen them kind of stoking the flames while also trying to simultaneously maintain that this is no big deal and that the client list may not even exist, which I don't know if it does. Who knows? But anyways, welcome to House of Goats. Does it exist, Dan? Is it? I mean, okay, thanks for having me. I think that like, I don't think there's a client

list. I think there's a list of tons of other people that haven't been reported, hang out with them. We know that those documents exist, whether they're flight logs or just, there's a bunch of stuff of emails and calendars. So there's definitely more. I think the quick speed run of the last two weeks is basically that they had the deadline for the release.

DOJ, Pam Bondi was like, there's nothing more that we can release. Then people freaked the fuck out. Dan Bongino went on a mental health leave for three days. Then he came back to the office and they're like, everyone shut the fuck up, fall in line. Everyone did, but yeah, they couldn't really capture the base. Now the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, just did an early summer recess. They wouldn't vote on it. Vote on a bill to basically compel the DOJ to release this stuff.

The ringleader is the man. I don't know if you guys have ever talked about Thomas Massey the uh-uh He's like this Kentucky rep who lives off-grid in like a solar powered His own meat the dude is like fully fucking crazy But he's the man and like this is a picture of him and his wife and like 12 kids with like AR machine guns that They send out told him that job But he his wife died and he went insane when she died. And so, he's been leading the charge to un-feel the records and Trump says he's going to spend 10 million against him in the primary and he's like, fuck you. So, basically where we're at now

is there's going to be a long summer recess of roiling rage. It's only going to continue and there's tons more shit. And my take is just that basically Trump, just like no one, like everything he does, no one could steer him off, like the decision to tell them to shut the fuck up. And there probably was a much easier way to do this, which was to just like release like shit that implicated Bill Clinton. Decided not to do that. Well, I think Trump has adult ODD and the more people around him telling him not to do something, he absolutely digs his heels in and refuses to follow anyone's orders. No matter...

I think in this case specifically, I think everyone around him for so long and everyone on Fox News was being like, you got to release it. And you could see him being like... He was saying he was going to release it. He was like, of course I you got to release it. You got to and you could see him saying he was going to release it. He was like, of course I'm going to release it. But you know, if some certain names are in there, we don't want to ruin anyone's life. The victims, the young women and certain congressmen, we don't want to ruin anyone's lives. There's an interview with Tucker from like 2020 or 2021 where Tucker asks in point blank

and he's just like, we'd have to look a little closer at that Like it's just but yeah He totally just fucked it He fumbled it in the last in the last fucking yard because he could have just released random salacious shit about it Yeah, which which honestly like I don't know if you've been keeping up with the other actions of the DOJ Dan Dan. But like, just yesterday, I think, Tulsi Gabbard released, I think, 230,000 pages of documents about MLK from the FBI archives, which is very funny to be like, we're going to release these archives from the agency

that killed him. She got beaten down pretty bad over the Iran-Iran-Iraan area. I think she's been trying to like, hey, I'm here. She's really desperate to claw her way. I was actually just talking to, how can I say this? I was talking to someone in her orbit who like worked with her. And they basically described just like the thing I often try to report about, which is just that like, it doesn't matter how fucking crazy these people are. Cash Patel, Dan Bunge, bungee, like the bureaucracy is so solidified that all they

can do is like, these show things of like trying to release new documents or signal to the public that they're doing something but until the and then they get fired. Yeah, actually change the bureaucracy because the bureaucracy is so embedded and like fucked up. Yeah, yeah, you definitely get that you'd get that sense with like Cash Patel seeing him talk about shit like this. And he's like, Look, if I could release stuff, you know, I would you know, me. What did you fucking run on? Do you argue? This is essentially the only reason that any of these people are appointed. That's how they got like the grassroots support was being like, we are

going to release the obscene files. But one thing we didn't talk about in our recent episodes was the Wall Street Journal piece about the the letter of mail that Trump sent Epstein with a doodle on it. Yeah. And I've reread it like a dozen times. Like it is real, but it's so hard. It's, it's just, it does not seem like Trump in any way. So I do believe it is real, but it's so hard. It's just, it's cool. It does not seem like Trump in any way. I do believe it was him, of course. I was talking to someone about that too, who is a pretty trusted source of mine. And he, and they were saying that like, they're 95% sure that that was in an oppo book from 2016. That like had basically been memory hold. And then like someone dug up that oppo book, which to me is like this incredible indictment of both parties.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't think Hillary was in any rush to draw connections to Epstein. Even Bill Clinton and like the other big dem donors aside, it's also just a testament to like if you see Hakeem Jeffries and like these fucking dumb libs, they're like, I don't even know why we're talking about this. Like this is for crazy people. Like even beyond the Bill Clinton stuff, even beyond the party leadership stuff, they just don't understand why normal people are interested in this. Because it's so augmented. Well they're either like dumb or you know, intentionally trying to cover this up because it would indict them as well. But I just, I don't know where

the energy from MAGA will go because I don't see any way that this fracture is covered up by anything. And I mean, who knows, Trouble probably do a lot of like crazy immigration stuff to try to change the focus of MAGA's ire, but he's really like stabbed his people in the back here. Yeah. And I mean, I can say for myself personally, I know that I'm just like obsessed with this now and like I'm gonna have like another four or five stories on this over summer recess because I'm like, because the other thing to go back to like the 2016 thing is like there have been a lot of great reporters on this like Julie Brown at the Miami Herald

who broke the original whole thing. But like going back even through the public documents, I found so much new stuff that like the news media just missed because they didn't like they just didn't care that much actually about it. Yeah. So I think there's gonna be a lot more crazy shit. Of course. I mean, he gave it, Trump gave like a cabinet position to the prosecutor who gave Epstein

a sweetheart deal in Florida. That's crazy. I don't know how you see that and think anything other than this guy is like, this is pay for play shit. Exactly. Yeah. That whole thing. Okay, that was actually a good example where I read through the DOJ's report. They did a 350 page report of how that was able to happen, like how he got an unprecedented plea deal with a non-prosecution agreement. Yeah.

And there was like crazy shit in that report where you had FBI agents being like, I was in a meeting with all those prosecutors and I was like, we need to arrest him right now. And then someone told me to like shut my trap and like it didn't happen. Like there's gold in those things and we missed it. So yeah. Anyways, we brought you on to talk about your new piece on your substack. Can you tell us about it? Yeah. Okay. So yeah, like, okay. All right. Now I have to actually be careful. Yeah. So

basically, like when all this stuff started, I was just like, I hate the media. I know I'm part of it, but I also just have so little respect for everyone who works in it. I was like, there's got to be food left on the table here. I called a bunch of people. I worked the human source line, but then I also was just like, there's got to be a way to see more about his digital footprint. That was exceedingly easy to do. I used a method that I won't say out loud, that many other people have used. The way that these other fuckers do it is they always do the same thing I did, and then they're like, we got the passwords, but like, we're not going to tell you what they are because like, that's not for you to know. It's from us, the journalist to like, you know, interpret

for you. And I was just like, okay, I don't want to do that. That's fucking bullshit. And also like, if you look at the passwords, they're really funny. Yeah. One is Disney and one is- So you got Epstein's passwords to various online accounts. I got Epstein's passwords to his email accounts and his LinkedIn on there. His LinkedIn?

Yeah. His LinkedIn is good. Why does he have a LinkedIn? He's like a billionaire. That's so funny. Interns, yeah. I have them here. I have them here.

The first one in your article is 8001218. Second one is Galean one. That's my favorite. Under case Galean one. And then the other one is 10817830728304. Okay, but the next two are actually the most critical. The next two are insane. I don't. Okay, the next ones are Jiva, Jiva vacate. How would you even say it's vacation without the end on the end? Yes. And then it was shortened one of G Jiva cat. Doesn't look like Italian.

A lot of his creepy accounts were called G vacation. Like that was the username. You can see his logic here where he was like, okay, I'm going to take my username. I'm going to fool people off a little bit by shaving off letters. To me, this is another reason I thought it was so important to publish the passwords to show people that this guy was a fucking moron. Yeah, like the true conspiracy is that this guy was a fucking dipshit who everyone from Bill Clinton, Donald Trump decided to continue hanging out with no this is this is like

how like suburban moms set their Wi Fi passwords. It's like their their grandson's name with their address. Yeah, like Galeen one. That's why I like I know like that's why I just don't like the conspiracy that he was some like super agent who like had all these cameras set up and like was indexing everything. Like, I think that's bullshit. I think there's a good chance that he was in contact with like an Israeli, like either directly in contact with Israelis or like in contact with an intermediary.

But again, that doesn't mean that he was like running a sophisticated operation. His operation was just fucking girls and like hanging out with politicians at the same time. I feel like, yeah, I mean, I feel like he, the assertion that he has blackmail material is true in a way and that he like has dirt on these people, but I think the Assertion that he has like that the blackmail material still exists and is like physically Present in our world today is a little bit more dubious because it's like what you think he backed it up somewhere He's a fucking moron. I will say that like the biggest treasure trove is probably the shit that they took out of his townhouse in 2018. Like there were like terabytes I think of like hard drive storage and files and

pictures and like in one case I think the collection report was released and an agent was just like, oh yeah, one of the fucking hard drives went missing during the raid. Classic. I don't know. There definitely is one next level of sketchy shit, but whether it's a fucking index of videotapes of Bill Clinton railing toddlers, I don't think it was ever that organized or detailed. Yeah. We should also say, don't try to log on to any of his accounts or anything. Yeah. Do not do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do not post what you find online. Yeah, don't. It is super illegal. Yeah, I've talked to a lot of lawyers about how illegal that is. It's kind of fascinating. Even like years after someone's death, the way that our digital laws are written, like, yeah, don't do that. Yeah. Interesting. Well, how so you have his his Spotify, I believe, right? Yeah, I have a Spotify and I had a Pinterest that came out as well. I've never seen his Pinterest before. Yeah, his Pinterest. Okay. The content of Epstein's public Spotify account and Dan,

have you seen any of this? I saw that and then like, okay, this is already out there. I was like, I need something more. So I didn't go through it as in-depth as I wish. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have like the full catalog here, but here, but I do imagine it's just like so much yacht rock from Beethoven to John and Pitbull to I don't know who John is To Celine Dion

They also suggested a preference for hard rock songs from the 1970s that emphasized male sexual conquest As well as the odd song about sexual attraction between children and adults, Van Halen's Hot for Teacher, and an Oscar Peterson performance of My Heart Belongs to Daddy. Wait, okay, I think I found it. I think it's, again, G Vacation. There's one playlist called Me Ricky Now. Oh my god. What a fucking moron dude. It's so fucking funny. So embarrassing. He can't even spell.

That's one of my favorite Epstein things is people are like, no he tried writing me letters and he couldn't even spell. He couldn't even, he even sounded like a caveman. I mean it makes it even more suspicious that he was able to like climb the ladders of power that he did being this stupid. Yeah. And it's also an indictment of all the people who like took meetings with him at fucking MIT for like lab funding.

Yeah. Okay yeah, his Pinterest though. He has a picture, a painting of Peter Pan This business insider article goes on to describe Peter Pan as quote the boy who never grows up and leaves a young girl and her siblings out of their home Can you see the Humpty Dumpty one that's the one I remember from yeah I mean there are like... There's so much shit. Before you accuse me, a bunch of Louis C.K. stand-up bits he has, which is fantastic. I literally am on his Pinterest right now. It's like a bunch of shitty apartment interior

It's horrible. Yeah. Yeah like yeah, I also got a tip though. I think there's also fuck What do you know what is was his username also G vacation? Yeah, JEE vacation That might be that might be his Spotify actually. Okay, we can break some news here right now. Okay, period. Sure. He was not only addicted to fucking kids, he was also addicted to commissioning really fucked up murals. Like Oh, yeah, like what? Like, I mean, the Clinton one, obviously the one of Bill

Clinton address, right? But of Bill Clinton in a dress, but like frescoes like I've been in his in multiple properties. They were like extremely graphic and deranged by Karatom is Bosch like orgy painting like just laying like sucking off to home. Oh my god. See that is also that is also just like What a dumb guy would spend a million dollars on if he wanted to get artists like, oh my girlfriend sucking off 500 guys.

Yeah, and if you look at his fucking Pinterest, it's like fucking ass. Yeah. No, yeah. It's like, you're fucking terrible. No, it was like, Mido, like a terrible mural of the fucking guy, the flaws, you know Yeah with a rocking chair an ominous rocking horse

Like a like an outdoor light and yeah, it's just looks fucking horrible. Yeah, it's really bad Yeah, yeah, but anyways Dan any any big scoops in coming you want to share? Or maybe just allude to? I think that one thing I think is that I saw another piece come out about the Epstein birthday book. Fuck, I can't remember who it was. But a lot of people contributed to that. Yeah, it was for his 50th birthday.

I think there were hundreds of contributions from... Yeah, it was a fuck ton of people. Someone got another story out of it, which makes me think that the 2016 thing is true. That's really funny. I have a bunch of documents and sources on the way to me. Um, just like giving more insane details. Um, and I don't know, I just think that this month is going to be a good month. Yeah.

I mean, how do you see, how do you see it playing out? I mean, I can't imagine that Trump is going to acquiesce in any meaningful way. I think he might just fire Pam Bondi and that'd be about it. And I don't see the Democrats also in any meaningful way harnessing the rightful anger that MAGA or even some of their own voters have at Trump not releasing any of these details. But I don't know, I kind of just feel like without any big break in the case, it's just going to kind of remain stagnant and not at all. I don't know. I think that I don't think he's going to fire her. I think that like talking

to a lot of Maga world people, I think he like really he learned his lesson the first time around of like, when you fire someone, then you have to go through back through the confirmation process and like a nightmare. So I whole nightmare. I think this time around, he's selected for pure loyalty overall. I do think there's a chance that he decides that, now he's going to try to do the thing he should have done the first time, which is to selectively release incriminating shit on his enemies. I think that is possible. I also think that there is grumblings in Congress because those fuckers know a lot more than they're letting on. For example, Ron Wyden, the senator from Oregon, has been investigating Epstein's banking transactions for three years. He finally

gave an interview with the Times basically saying these banking records are classified, but I'm looking into them. I think there are cracks starting to show because the Dems are so stupid and yet they've seen that there's so much anger and interest in this that even their fucking – their stupid staffers can't keep a lid on this anymore. Right. But also, I don't know, some of this is wishful thinking. I know I'm doing my part and I will be releasing mad other shit. Fucking saw Ben Smith was like, this is Epstein derangement syndrome. This is how you should keep yourself sane. So stupid.

I was just like, bro, no, I am leaning into this. this represents righteous anger on the behalf of like normal people that are continuously rat fucking us in creepy and literal ways. Yeah. And yeah, I don't know. I'm just I mean, I I hear it all the time from like, I'm back living in Des Moines, Iowa. And I was like, hanging out with friends of mine from high school people who are not, you know, interested in politics whatsoever. But I do think there is something unique about the Epstein case where it does,

I think for a lot of disaffected people, it does kind of represent a kind of confluence of things, and it feels material in some way where it's like, okay, we're finally getting to what's really going on, and I know these elites are fucking me and doing horrible, like countless other things. And I think that's why Epstein is like, has such a grip on people. And I don't know, I just, I

It's like a concrete thing that like, you know, is real and did happen, even though everyone loves to pretend that it's not real. And that it's like, I mean, Epstein derangement syndrome is like, yeah, I think that's a real thing. And you should be deranged. If you're not deranged from reading about this shit, it's like you're insane. Right. Right. But it's just to say, I think there's so much like momentum behind this, in particular. And I mean, if the Democrats are worth anything, you would hope that they're able to harness it in some way. Yeah. And I don't know.

I was just like, I mean, I know that they're not in the majority, so like they don't have, I guess they don't really have like subpoena power in the same way. Yeah, but even in a cultural sense, it's like talk about it. I mean, they've been spending so much time haranguing themselves about how they've lost young men. It's like, well, young men are talking about this. Talk about it on, have Harry Sisson or whatever talk about Epstein. I don't know like I don't I don't know if you have any like members of Congress who listen but if you do, right.

Right. Oh we do. Torque Santos. He's going to jail. Yeah. John Fetterman. Even if they don't have subpoena power to like drag people's documents in they can drag people in. You know they can have his victims testify.

Well isn't Ghislaine going to have to testify soon? I saw something like that. Yeah. Now I think there's a fight brewing where some GOP reps want her to. I don't quite understand what her play is. If she wants a stage to- Does she have one? I don't think so. I think her play is to try to exonerate Trump and get him to leave. Oh, that would be crazy. That would literally break so many QAnon aunts' brains.

We would see a mass suicide from like the most blonde women in middle America. Yeah, I would love to see like the way they try to spin out of like, Ghislaine is a victim just as much as all of me. It's funny you say that because I've been seeing like very big right-wing accounts like horny posting like pictures of Ghislaine. Would it be sick if like Ghislaine is actually bad as hell? Like would it be sick if she was innocent? I'm just like, oh my god.

Wouldn't it be sick if she was innocent? I would hit innocent Ghislaine and I was just like, damn. What jail is she at? I'm going to commit a crime to get there. That's so funny. I would hit innocent Gisela and it's so funny. I was just like, dude, that's crazy. Yeah.

Anyways, Dan, where can they find you for any new scoops and old reporting as well. Check me out on substack at danmoguslaw.substack.com. DeeperStates is the name. Perfect. I'll link your socials in the episode description as well. And Dan, thanks so much for joining us today. And if you ever want to come back for a scoop, we'd be happy to do this again. I would be sick. Give us the first call whenever you get a beautiful scoop. No, I'm hoping to have another Epstein thing this week. I think our audience would love it if you get any big scoops on what George Santos is like eating in prison or what he's watching in prison. I did this awesome story where I broke into a George Santos event and it was-

Oh my God. Okay. Everyone, go read that. Is that on the sub stack then? No, I'll send it to you. Okay, send it to me. It's called One Night with the Queen of Tears. Okay, everyone, everyone go read that. Is that on the sub stack, Dan? Oh, no, I'll send it to you. Okay, send it to me. It's called One Night with the Queen of the Universe.

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