Seeking Derangements - SD 440 - Fried and Fish and Chip

Episode Date: September 28, 2025

It's Seeking Sunday! Ben here, today Jacques, Hesse and I discuss our various mental illnesses, the NYPD arresting cruisers in Penn Station, and then we round out the episode with a quiz which yet ag...ain....reveals a shocking truth about each of us.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Cumbia Villera! Hello everyone and welcome to a free episode of seeking derangements it's ben i'm here with hessa jock is somewhere he'll be here shortly um but if you'd like like what you hear today go subscribe to our patreon patreon dot com slash seeking derangements hello hessa hello how are you doing today gila i'm good a little stressed but i'm chilling you heard about the raids happening at penn station oh yeah the sniffies they're using sniffies Yeah, because I keep going there and sucking and fucking, and you never know when it's going to be a cop. It would be so scary.
Starting point is 00:01:37 I read some article about it. And some guy was just like, he said some, some like vaguely, like, cruisy. He asked some vaguely cruisy question to a undercover cop. I want to suck my cock in the bathroom. It was something like, oh, this bathroom is so tiny. I don't know, something like that. Yeah, yeah. I was so happy to see you with the quietest bathroom in Penn Station.
Starting point is 00:02:06 I don't know what it was. And then he just got arrested and like thrown against the wall and arrested in public for like vagrancy or lewd acts in public or whatever. And it's not looking great for us. Yeah, it's not looking great for the cruisers of the world. Not that I'm like cruising or on sniffies, but I'm like, first they come for the cruisers then they come for the losers the losers literally me oh and that sound is jock and that sound is jock
Starting point is 00:02:43 that sound is jock showing up barricading his door welcome to work dee oh he's coming to us from it looks like someone's kitchen today that's amazing yeah i saw a brief flash of a bald head with the right good god yeah hello hello hey hello that hey
Starting point is 00:03:09 welcome to work diva Jacques your mic is off Jesus Christ sorry when I adjusted it Jacques I well first right at the beginning of the show I want to bring something up
Starting point is 00:03:27 and I didn't know if this would be too sad to talk about but um denise richard's dying uh you know what do you guys think denise richards is not dead yeah i'm just saying it's going to be it's going to be so sad when it happens you're very bad at orchestrating a lie i'm just i'm not lying i'm saying denise richards dying is going to be so sad when it happens and i was wondering whether or not i should bring it up today, you know? Do you think she's about to die? No, I mean, it's probably going to be a while. Well, she's still, what is this girl talking about? But when it happens, it's going to be so sad. Well, I mean, of course. It's going to be so sad when an orphan dies because it got hit by a car.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Doesn't mean that like 10 years from now. Like what? I mean, that's just like such a weird hypothetical. Oh, yeah, I forgot you don't care when anyone dies. Well, I care when people die. Well, I care when people. people die. I don't care in the future when people are going to die beforehand. Ben loves to chew gum on this fucking podcast. I don't even know why. Fuck your zins. Is that a problem with you? I can't do zen. No, you can do it. Get mouth cancer. I just popped one in too. I'm still haunted by Jacques saying, only guys do zins. Hesse, you're the only girl I know who does zins. It's true. I would just reconsider. I know a lot of, I know a lot of women who do zen. Why don't you switch to Virginia Slims that's more feminine because I can't smoke Virginia Slims in my
Starting point is 00:04:59 apartment and fair enough that's and they remind me of your penis because they're so long and then nice well that's more embarrassing that you've had sex with me and you'd be willing to no I've just seen it when have you seen my penis when you were wearing shorts with no underwear one time it's actually pretty common I shut the fuck up Ben you ain't seen my peen eye Hessey ain't seen my peen eye that's the plural Yeah, too. Yeah, like a shark. Yeah, they call me shotgun.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Okay. Double barrel. Double barrel. Okay, I was wondering what that meant. And that not kill people. Jock, we were just talking about, I believe they were federal agents, weren't they? This wasn't just like NYCCC. James Comney?
Starting point is 00:05:45 Or are you talking about the Sniffy's? Sniffies. Now, these like, these fucking jerk and jails situations, are just deplorable and I'm confused on what end of the the incident you know who are you citing with here the gay people getting arrested for having sex in a bathroom or I'm on their side I would be in the bathroom having sex with one of them what am I on the you think I I'm into the fed sometimes you can have I think I'm going to side with the spooks get it real come on mm-hmm I'm going on somefused by the way I'm going to let's see
Starting point is 00:06:25 what's going on. I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of people posting Instagram stories that are like be careful. Cops are cracking down on Sniffy's users which not to blame the victims here.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Sniffies is kind of like the perfect surveillance application. I mean if I was going to arrest gay people for having sex and tablets, it's it's the easiest thing. It'd be easiest to do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:55 It's incredibly easy to do. Do you think that the Sniffy's podcast right now is covering every victim that's been arrested and then reading a short biography about them? And then explaining what sex act they were caught doing? I actually don't know if the Sniff's podcast is still functioning. I don't really see much out with them anymore, which... Yeah, you shut them down.
Starting point is 00:07:16 They couldn't take the heat. They couldn't take the heat? If Sniffys was a real company, well, they are a real company, but if they really cared about the queer people, people, the gay people, they would bail every single one of them out of jail. They should. I completely agree with you on that. Yeah, I don't, I don't even know what the charges are.
Starting point is 00:07:35 I don't know where. Cock suckery. In the first degree. Buggery. Asshole digging in the second degree. Strumpe gearing. Diggin in your butt twin on the first degree. I've never noticed this before, but, um,
Starting point is 00:07:55 oh wait it won't let me fucking change my area it thinks I'm in Buffalo hang on see this is why we can't go on Sniffy someone was using
Starting point is 00:08:04 sniffies in Buffalo I see I was just looking at it someone was using sure that's what they all say oh I was just looking well you know what guess what
Starting point is 00:08:13 I'm pure now because I deleted Grindr and I deleted Sniffies I didn't Welcome to the club jock I didn't delete them off my phone
Starting point is 00:08:22 I deleted my profiles why? Because what am I going to find from there that I haven't already sucked, fucked, or done? I'm just... Oh, I heard that Grindr was like shutting down because so many people were, no, but like, there was, there were outages at Charlie Kirk's memorial because so many people were out there. I did see a guy post the real sniffies map at the Kirk Memorial and it was lit up. I'll say that much. Yeah, has it also said that Telfar was going to shut down seven months ago, and that never wrote that down. How do you remember that, but you don't remember, like, what you had for breakfast? Well, that's very simple. I didn't have breakfast.
Starting point is 00:09:09 I was in a doctor getting blood drawn out of my arms, but no symptoms of Mercer for almost three months, and I'm starting to get my groove back. I was watching an old episode, an old episode of Project Runway, and they, There's a gay guy on there that had to withdraw from the competition, despite the fact that he was a very good designer because he got a MRSA outbreak on his lip and it's like swelled up. It was like huge. It was like touching his nose. And I felt so bad for him because this was like 2004. To be a gay guy on TV at that time. who's like physically
Starting point is 00:09:53 I just felt so bad for him and then he had to see he was like doing his like confessional on his way out I mean my heart broke for him because he was like while I do I am positive for HIV this has nothing to do with HIV anyone can get this this could happen to anyone
Starting point is 00:10:11 and I was like bro you did not need to say you were HIV positive yeah why bring that up it's crazy I think I'm probably some evil would have yeah yeah some evil producer is like do you think this is anything to do with HIV diagnosis. Yeah. And then just caught his answer.
Starting point is 00:10:25 I do think that you are more susceptible to Mercer. In undepressing news, I've left my first one-star review of a Goodwill. I went to Goodwill earlier and this place was just trashed from the ground to the top.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Never seen so many clothes on the floor at Goodwill. It looked like someone had just gone in and raided the place. and every time i tried to you say worse goodwill ever dirtiest goodwill ever never coming back to here not worth standing around eight the air conditioner was off sorry my internet just fucked up for a second you're good jock was just trashing a uh goodwill that he went to okay why did you get mercer from it no you little i gave it to it bitch um it just was like the clothes were everywhere and every time i tried to ask you do you like still shop at goodwill what do you mean do you still shop at yes yes why wouldn't i
Starting point is 00:11:34 wasn't attack i was just asking a question i bought a brat neon green orange suit today Wow, Brad's stuff already At Goodwill She fell off That's rough Yeah Now that she's married I think she's doing a lot
Starting point is 00:11:55 For the bald male community Marrying that bald guy Yeah Yeah But he's a specific type of ball She never fucked me Is This is what I'm going for
Starting point is 00:12:04 Well not yet I think he's I think he's a specific type of ball That is sexy Which is just like Q ball Like just completely shaven You can still see that he has hair A little bit
Starting point is 00:12:13 He just has like a receding hairline. He doesn't do the thing that I think is, and this is no knock to you, Jock. This is a general argument. I think you're very sexy and you can poll. So you're an outlier here. But I do think in terms of like rating bald men's sexiness, the peak is kind of like cue ball, shaved. Then it goes to, this is of course leaving out receding hairlines. Then it goes to like shaved with a beard.
Starting point is 00:12:43 then it goes then it kind of drops off precipitously and then you have what I would what I call the cling ring where it's just like the Larry David style completely bald on top and then the worst one is when you have that and a little tuft right on the front
Starting point is 00:12:58 you know that that's crazy that's crazy yeah and then also there's I would just shave my head yeah and then there's the bald spot where it's just like the whirl in the back that's right I mean I'd probably kill myself actually
Starting point is 00:13:12 never mind or i'd go to turkey i would not look good i would look absolutely terrible scary horrifying cancer bald i would not look good bald yeah too gaunt i'm too much focus on your eyes and we're trying to pull away focus i need yeah right i need and then people might be people might start looking into the shape of your cheeks and your hair does enough to shape of my I think he has normal shape of my cheeks yeah um well I guess there's just not the kind of cheeks I would like I shock today Jacques sent me a picture of a random guy and said do you know this gay guy from Buffalo uh which is a metro area with 1.1 million people in it well I don't know the way that you talk about it makes it sound like there's like seven people there and you're one
Starting point is 00:14:04 of them. Well, this guy wasn't one of them because he wasn't in Buffalo, apparently. He was in wherever you are. I'm assuming you didn't know him. No, he was an Uber driver. I was screenshot his profile picture. Right. That happens to me a lot. People always assume that I know other gay people and the unfortunate circumstance that I do usually know whatever kind of gay guy they want Intel on. The same with me in trans people. I did like what he said. He said, I don't care about those stars. What I care about is coin. So get tipping.
Starting point is 00:14:41 I was like, okay, gay guy. You go off. How did he, how did he say that to you? He just said that when you got in the car with his mouth? No, I was like about to leave. And I was like, okay, well, it was nice talking to you. And I will give you five stars. I hope you have a wonderful day.
Starting point is 00:14:57 And he's like, I don't care about those stars. What I want is some coin. How much did you tip him? No. I tip Uber drivers. Shut the fuck up. I just don't know how much. Why are you so hostile? I just, do you tip, do you tip Uber drivers? You always tip. I always tip Uber drivers. How much? Depending on how well the ride was. That was a good ride. I gave him 20%. Okay. I did here today I was having a discussion with someone and they were like oh well I don't tip when I'm doing when people deliver things to me I was like excuse me he's like I mean I've gone off many times about the moral rot that delivery apps are just yeah absolutely basically enforcing for all of their users across the country I don't use it I was just locked inside for four days I'm so principled I didn't even get anything I didn't I didn't even fucking eat. Why would you get things delivered?
Starting point is 00:16:01 I think it's, I just think, I genuinely think it's kind of evil in New York City. I mean, and that's especially a delivery driver, that's probably the person on earth, the job that you most should tip because they literally. Right, right. Absolutely. They're not making any fucking money. They live off tips. Yeah. No, it's evil.
Starting point is 00:16:21 It's evil, especially in New York. You can, like, walk anywhere. You can get your own food. you can't like but what about the disabled people who can't walk no legs what do they do before uber eats were they just starving hobble what like hobble like they're kind of like wiggle their body down the street so not not what the word hobble means right right right no i mean of course whatever they can get uber eats i'm it's not of course i am not singling out disabled people in this argument which is what always happens to this really tired discourse yeah
Starting point is 00:16:55 Soch, do you consider yourself disabled? Selectively, when he wants something. Yeah. I think I would... It's fair. I'm going to go ahead and say that all the time I am disabled. Yes. I think I have enough combining medical...
Starting point is 00:17:15 You thought that I meant that you were selectively disabled. No, I say you selectively admit or claim to be disabled. Oh, yeah. I'm disabled all the time no matter what. Um, um, I think that Mercer was probably the thing that toppled it over, but I mean, if we're just going by borderline, I think everyone who's borderline is, is, uh, disabled. Yeah. Right, but there are, there are, there are cures and I mean, I feel like that's a borderline thing to say. There's no, there's, there's treatment bad as being in a wheelchair.
Starting point is 00:17:45 Well, there's treatment. There's treatment for borderline. There's no cure for borderline. What are you talking about? There's no cure for it. What do you mean there's no cure for it? You're diagnosed a borderline. You have it for the rest of your life. You're diagnosed bipolar.
Starting point is 00:17:58 It's something you manage. Yes, of course, I understand that. You can change your, you can, like, stop being crazy because of it. You can work on being, doing things differently. You can work on trying to live differently. You can go to dialectical behavior therapy. It doesn't mean that you're not by border. It's an incure.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Since when the fuck are you a psychologist, bitch? I was inpatient inpatient in a borderline program for like 18 months shot do you forget that? This is bullshit I've never once heard of this she maybe she exhibits
Starting point is 00:18:33 zero borderline symptoms she's a healthy girl because I fixed because I got fixed let's just do a Google I'm doing is borderline curable because I believe no I think you think you're like
Starting point is 00:18:49 no because you got to work toward it and I'm just not feeling like doing that's not even true I've been in fucking therapy for it for years now are you still in DBT yes I never stopped I thought you said recently that
Starting point is 00:19:04 your therapist ghosted you well yeah for a week because she was on vacation and I didn't get a ghost she went on vacation yeah you just lied to us for sympathy seems like she's doing a great job borderline personality
Starting point is 00:19:21 disorder is a complex mental health condition that currently has no cure. So whoever the fuck told you your cure. Yeah, what are you looking at AI? I, Jack, the person who told me that is the person who invented the term borderline personality disorder. His name's Dr. Gunderson. I was in the program with no doctor Shane LaHood. Watch your mouth. Yeah. Did Dr. Shane LaHood tell you, Jack, nothing's going to cure you? He's a physician. He doesn't deal with my borderline personality disorder. I think everyone who talks to you deals with it into some degree
Starting point is 00:19:54 of being honest So where So if the BPD shootout right now I'm just Which hospital Which hospital is the borderline center Founded by Jonathan Gunder Gundersen
Starting point is 00:20:06 In McLean Hospital Are you quizzing me? Yes because I still am like There's not a cure for borderline Personally I just order If anyone's told you that you've been lied to Jacques It's so fucking crazy
Starting point is 00:20:20 It's not like your brain is different. It's like you've just like you have the wrong habits and they reinforce your emotional distress. And if you change the habits, you can change, you can stop being emotionally distressed all the time. And so you're cured. You have stopped being emotionally distressed forever. There's never been an issue of flake-up. Yeah. I've never been emotionally distressed at all like a normal person. Since you've been cured from borderline. I just want to get the facts straight so I understand exactly what kind of person you are. You're cured. from borderline. You're a perfect beacon of mental health. You are the, you are. I don't think she's had
Starting point is 00:20:58 that. Oh, no, no, no. I have no more mental problems. No, I'm saying it. Um, you know, God, I'm just so happy that you were able to be the one person. It's like saying depression has no cure, Jacques. Do you think depression has no cure? I think you can treat depression. I don't think that depression is something that can you don't think anyone can stop being depressed once they start. I don't think that there is one, miracle treatment, miracle I'm not saying anything about a miracle treatment. But you're saying that it can never, that you could be cured
Starting point is 00:21:26 from a medical drug. Like, you're, you're picturing a syringe filled with like a glowing fluid. That's the way you're describing it. You're like, I went to a mental... No, I said I was 18 months inpatient and then outpatient in a borderline program. That's not a miracle cure. Yeah, I think it takes hard work
Starting point is 00:21:42 and dedication and habit changing practices. I'm about to call up this damn John. Gungerson and you should please my god please call him now go to him yeah please call him yeah please call him first I'm like wait hasn't we found we found an amazing way to get Jock back into a corner to get his BPD here yeah don't call him jock please don't call him jock do not call don't call him I'll be calling him after the episode it's it's gonna be revealed to be a lie every single thing I said don't call him what are you my mama because I don't want I don't want
Starting point is 00:22:16 Hesse to be embarrassed about the thing that she's lying. We think I want to be like, hi, I've talked to one of your former patients, Hessa, as if he remembers all the people. He'll remember my dead name, probably, if anything. You probably won't remember anything. You think I'm saying your dead name to anyone?
Starting point is 00:22:32 I barely remember it. So why don't you go relax? Okay, period. What do you guys think I have? Since you're both being so vulnerable about your mental illness? you so much. Well, I'm being honest. We can have an ODD, obviously. You have substance abuse problems. Which I think is I do not have substance abuse problems. Yeah, I don't think Ben. I mean, I drink. I'll do drugs. I don't need them. I don't need them. Hang on. I think someone just knocked on my door. Yeah, I'll binge, but I'm pretty good at keeping it under wraps. Do you think this bitch was really cured from fucking borderline? You love talking shit on people the moment they leave the room.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Yeah. I think you guys are having a semantic disagreement. I think has a... There's nothing anti-Semitic about this. I'm back. I just checked. No one was knocking on my door. I think that you're maybe just having a disagreement about terms and what you define as cure.
Starting point is 00:23:41 I think it's treatable. My perspective on it is that I think BPD, is probably something that is managed into a functional, quote-unquote, cure that makes your life livable and easy and chill and doesn't make you much different. Kind of like you don't have BPD anymore. While BPD cannot be...
Starting point is 00:24:07 I'm trying to be a little... While being... Jacques's basically like, there's no reason to do nothing. I don't even... That's not even true because I go to fuck dbt therapy i go i've done multiple treatments for borderline jock i just want to say i applaud you for all your efforts to get your bpd controlled and i respect you for that and i approve of them and i think that you are working hard and that the work never stops diva you can always work harder okay i have the
Starting point is 00:24:37 i have i have the dsm criteria here for bpd um okay we have we have frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment? No. I don't do that. Okay. Jacques, you said not 10 minutes ago that I had no... I did not have VPD. You didn't believe me.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Well, I didn't believe you until then you said that you've cured it. It's incurable. Well, do I... Number two, number two, number two, a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of ideation and devaluation. Yeah, I don't do that. Number three, identity, identity disturbance, markedly and persistently unstable self-image, or sense of self.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Well, I personally don't struggle with that, but maybe Hessa does. I guess that one. I'll say that one a little bit, maybe. Oh, maybe we should ease off the BPD Convo. I don't want. No, keep going. Keep going. I'm ready. I'm ready to keep going for their lifetime. I'll never stop talking about this now. I'm going to talk about it all day. Six. Effective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood, e.g. intense episodic dysphoria,
Starting point is 00:26:01 irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and rarely more than a few days. Oh, I get that sometimes, I guess. Dysphoria, yeah. I guess I get that. I don't know if it's necessarily gender dysphoria. I mean I'll I'll I'll check off that one though just for shits and gigs obviously I've checked off the first three so yes yeah I'm not I'm let me just really quickly before you even finish the criteria I'm not arguing that I don't have borderline but I'm arguing that has a saying that she cured seven chronic feelings of emptiness oh well duh that's that's no I don't really get those you've never felt empty chronically I mean I think I think we're talking about once a while not current that's a Cured Tesla does not feel number seven. Just keep reading. I'm about to drive a monster truck to fucking New York. Age, inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Frequent displays of temper, constant anger, and recurrent physical fights. Absolutely not. Don't do that at all. You're extremely. I've seen you angry maybe three times. I don't think it's often, but I've seen her anger. It's always very reasonable, I will say, you know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Next question, I accept. I mean, that's it. Those are the criteria. Okay, so I got two. Oh, wait, sorry. Number nine, transient stress-related, paranoid ideation, or severe dissociative symptoms. No, I don't get that. Jock?
Starting point is 00:27:37 Mr. Jock? Sure. This is a funny argument to be having because the evidence you have to supply is that you are actually completely insane. the ODD diagnostic criteria is A, angry or irritable mood, that's, yes, I can be angry and irritable, um, B, argumentative or defiant behavior, frequently challenges authority figures, often refuse to comply with the request, deliberately annoys others and blames others for their own problems. Deliberately annoys others is so funny. Deliberately annoys others.
Starting point is 00:28:15 others is very uh that's probably the most i don't really blame other people for my problems but i do often refuse to comply with requests and deliberately annoy others yeah see vindictiveness has shown spiteful or resentful behavior um or has engaged in actions to retaliate against others i'm not a very vindictive person it really holds me i think that's the craziest i attack people for sure but it's more me being actively attacking and not really because of something that happened in the past, in my mind. Which I guess is, it's almost a, I don't know how, it's like a pre, it's a form of pre-vindictiveness, I guess I could say. Yeah, predictiveness. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Let's see. ODD can present differently in different, I guess those are the only, um, diagnostic criteria, which seemed pretty obtuse. But yeah, I mean, fair enough. I mean, I do have, yeah, yeah. And I also feel like BPD is just like an anti-woman kind of. Yeah, yeah. It's like hysteria kind of. Well, it's like, of course, if women are raised in this society, of course they're going to exhibit like BPD characteristics. Yeah, I mean, I was the only, when I was in the program before I transitioned, I was the only male in there.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Hmm. So it wasn't based on you being a woman. woman. Well, Ben was saying that when you're just attacking me for no reason. I'm calling me not a real woman. No, I did not say not a real woman. You said that you were diagnosed before you. You said you were diagnosed before your transition. And then Ben was saying that like women are mistaken for being borderline. No, women have borderline. I'm saying, I'm saying, shock. Wait, I couldn't understand you. It's hard to understand past the borderline. I don't listen to bitches. I don't understand women. I ain't talking to them. I don't talk to them. I don't share a word with them borderline, bitches. I mean, I have no room left for BPD people in my life.
Starting point is 00:30:28 My hands are full with the BPD people in my life. And do you have other friends besides us that are BPD? I mean, well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't believe. I don't, I'm not BPD. No, not, not Hesse because she's been cured and her diagnosis has been fully erased from the record books. Dr. Oh, actually, excuse me. Oh, it's me, Dr. Cunterson, and I treated Hesse, and she is actually cured.
Starting point is 00:30:51 And she's the only woman, the only person on the entire Earth who has been able to be perfectly cured. No, there were a lot of people who were cured. There was, like, a convention of them there one time. You should go to this convention? Yeah, I did when I was there. It was a bunch of, like, successful business women. They were all like, I think, I'm doing great now. large they're like very smart people too by and large look yeah do not call hessa bisexual enlarged that's rude
Starting point is 00:31:19 okay that you're not gonna turn it on me diva i haven't said i haven't said anything um i haven't said anything that hessa won't forgive me for and if i went to a psychiatrist and answered the borderline questions truthfully and they told me i don't have it what would your reaction be gun to my mouth blast a hole out of my head make a skylight for my brain why why I would not because now that I know you can get rid of it I'm going to
Starting point is 00:31:50 fucking kill myself well legally I could kill myself in Canada borderline is one of the is protected I swear to God it's protected they are kind of like fully letting people kill themselves in Canada that's crazy no I know and I like I agree with
Starting point is 00:32:07 like voluntary euthanasia in principle. But I do think that given the state of the world, it's like it shouldn't be an option because all of the problems that would drive people, whether it's mental illness or like lack to like appropriate chemotherapy regimens. It's something very disturbing to me that like death is palatable because of the destruction and privatization of all of our public institutions that should make life. worth living despite any of the ailments that you do or may have. That being said, if someone chooses to kill themselves because they'd rather not suffer through miserable, you know, physically like eviscerating cancer, that makes sense to me. I just like, I don't understand how you legalize that and then keep the guardrails on it, given the way our government works. Yeah. Like, after a point, sanity is if you're sane, if you're completely and totally normal and sane and have empathy, like, that, That might as well be one of the criteria at this point. No, I know it's really fucked up. I think you've been treated for it, Hessa,
Starting point is 00:33:19 and I think your symptoms have gravely improved, and I don't think you've cured it. That's my final take. And also, I support. Can you let, if you don't believe that there's a cure, can you at least admit that you believe that Hessa believes that she's cured? Oh, I mean, I fully believe that that's what she believes. I mean, I've been told by doctors, so I'm not.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Right. Hasa, I'm on your side. Yeah. I'm just seeing what kind of, what kind of concessions we can get out of Jock and that. I mean, I respect Hesse Fully. I love you. Jock, BPD is just a name they give to those symptoms if you have them.
Starting point is 00:33:55 If you have all those symptoms, they give a name to that so that you don't have to list all the symptoms every time. If you have none of them, then that name doesn't apply anymore. So personality disorder is just a list of symptoms that... Yes. Yes. Yes. So if I, so all the, the websites say the borderline is not curable or just lying to me.
Starting point is 00:34:17 I mean, what websites are you on? John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic. You're on the Mayo Clinic and it's telling you that borderline is not curable. Yes. I mean, I, for there, I personally don't know if it's curable. I think there's just a disagreement about what cure means here. Yeah, I think that that's where we're going to. I think, Jock, you're kind of thinking of it as.
Starting point is 00:34:40 like there's a pill or a shot or something you take that renders you completely sound of mind about any of the symptoms. But I think, I think what, but a form of treatment which minimizes, if not erases these symptoms is a, I mean, a cure in its own right, I would say. but I don't know what the diagnostic or, like, medical terminology around this is. So I will plead the fifth on this, but I understand what Hesse is saying when she's referring to a cure. Yeah, I mean, if you have non-chemical depression, you know, where it's not like a chemical imbalance in your brain and it's situational. And you, are you not depressed anymore? Yes. Do you still have depression?
Starting point is 00:35:31 No. So that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but that's different. There's people who are medically diagnosed as being depressive, depressed. Yes. I've never seen Ben so quiet for like 10 minutes. Well, I mean, I don't, look, I don't have BPD. I can't, you know, it's not my culture.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Well, neither do I. Maybe I shouldn't be talking about it if I don't have it. I've never been afflicted with BPD. It's not okay. Cure or no cure has said we can agree on one thing. And it's that if Ben had borderline personality disorder. Oh, I'd be a fucking demon. It'd be awful.
Starting point is 00:36:02 It wouldn't be fair. I mean if anyone had it I'd be in jail or dead if I had BPD I think Okay this is my final question Extremely obvious You don't want to admit that you have borderline Because you don't want to have any kind of relationship
Starting point is 00:36:16 To me or similarity You're embarrassed to be like That's a borderline question That's the most borderline question I've ever heard Borderline psychotic Bro you have to understand That people are not in constant competition or in some like relationality to you.
Starting point is 00:36:35 People are individuals with their own desires and aspirations and faults and internal lives that have nothing to do with you. And I'm not saying that you don't mean anything to people, but you've really got to understand that other people have their own autonomy and they're not competing against you and they're not thinking about you most of the time. Some people are cured, some people aren't. I'm learning a lesson right now. I'm uncuried you I we need to send this to whatever we need to send this recording to Dr. Shane
Starting point is 00:37:08 yeah yeah Dr. LaHood maybe can help us this also brings in my brings to mind you being like uh whenever you get anything Jacques you're like it's incurable never be free of it so maybe that has something to do with it oh he didn't hear that jocky have bpd oh oh headphones back on hello your mic is muted i just had such a bad bpd i just had to get off the screen and cure it moving on from bpd to maybe someone who has a different set of mental disorders who knows um there was a shooting at an ice facility in dallas and i guess i should retract my segue in that i don't think this was just like some lone crazy gunman i haven't read that much about it the one thing that sticks out to me as completely and fake is
Starting point is 00:38:06 the bullets that were again found with the message written on them it was in blue pen it just said anti-ice yeah I mean I in my mind it's like it could have been
Starting point is 00:38:18 I think the most likely thing is it was a crazy right wing gunman who was like oh I'll just write anti-ice on the bullet case I'll pop a few immigrants with my gun not to sound flippant when I say that but like no of course I mean he did only kill
Starting point is 00:38:35 Ice detainees which is like so sad and miserable like yeah it's crazy I mean and for them to be like ICE is in danger it's like no these people that were put in a jail and then fucking shot I know I know like yeah
Starting point is 00:38:50 I mean just like in the past couple weeks and like people are talking about the advocacy of like political violence the police for political violence in this country And I think there's something that's been lost in that politics, the disbursement of power and class and means, I mean, politics are just a question of violence and who will face violence. And if you want to talk about political violence exists, the amount of political violence that is doled out by the state on ICE detainees, on the people of Palestine. mind. It's just we already live in an exceedingly violent world. So the whole conversation about is political violence okay? It's just, I just, I just, I, you have to just deny the premise. It's
Starting point is 00:39:37 yeah, it's ridiculous. Um, in my mind, but yeah, those are my thoughts on it. Jock, what about you? Um, political violence is just going to keep happening. What, what are you going to do to stop it? You can't take everyone's gun away. I mean, if they're not shooting me, not political why would they shoot me if they do want to shoot me you better have a good aim and you better hope i don't have a weapon all right fair enough thank you for the thank you for the also if you want to kill me i dare you come at me come for me try to kill me i make my fucking day bitch do you want someone to hunt you well i've been hunted before and i'm just now i've i've I've been hunted enough that I'm used to it.
Starting point is 00:40:26 You want to put your skills to the test? Yeah, yeah. Do you know how many times at night? You want a Rambo 2 situation to happen? When I'm in my house alone, I grab the biggest knife I can, and I practice what I would do if I was being attacked from behind or from, and by the way, if you have been attacked, I have been attacked, I've been attacked, and I'm not talking about getting railed in the butthole like you. I'm kidding. You're not, but what I was. not happening to me. Well, you
Starting point is 00:40:55 do bottom, so don't lie that you never have. That's... I mean, sometimes. It's not like... You don't have to... Bottom shame. Bottom shame. I don't think there's any shame in being a bottom. I don't think... I don't think there's any shame in being a bottom. I think that you do have shame about being a bottom
Starting point is 00:41:13 occasionally. Why are you always attacking? It's so exhausting. Wear a fucking body vest to work, bitch. You know you're going to get shot at. Let's everyone put down the guns. put down the knives. Let's get to this quiz. Step back into Dr. Professor's laboratory slash classroom. Question one. And these are all on a scale of extremely disagree, slightly disagree, neutral. Agree to very agree. Oh, well,
Starting point is 00:41:38 we're well familiar, Dr. Professor. Dr. Professor, we've been through this before. Okay. Just making sure. Social inequity is inevitable. There will always be certain people who are more powerful than others. Very agree. isn't that? I agree What do you think? I don't know What do you think, Ben?
Starting point is 00:42:01 Oh gosh, shit the Social inequity is inevitable They will always be certain people who are more powerful than the numbers Than others I extremely disagree with that Yeah I'm gonna go neutral
Starting point is 00:42:12 Although it does feel It does feel inevitable I do think we have seen There have been societies that have existed in this world that don't have, you know, mass crushing inequity. Yeah. Can you name one?
Starting point is 00:42:26 I'm not saying mass crushing inequity, but even like, you know, if one guy is, like, sexier than another guy, you know? Right. Even in, like, a perfect communist utopia, that, that guy is going to get more play, you know what I mean? I didn't think about that. Not in my communist utopia. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:46 You are assigned to sexy. All sexy people are assigned an ugly person. to mate with yes exactly um question two followers should question their leaders when they do not see the reasoning behind their leaders dictates very strongly agree strongly agree you got to be questioning that leader you've got a question you guys people who say they're cute you what yeah i said you've got to question leaders and then he said something else Period. That's exactly. And then I said, period. Just like I said. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:23 Superior should take care of their subordinates who in turn owe them obedience and loyalty. Very disagree. You don't owe obedience or loyalty to anyone. Yeah, I think loyalty is crazy to add there. I don't think you owe, like, what do you mean, loyalty? Like, if a better job comes along. endorse their decisions, you know, and that you, um, you know, back them up various facets of public or private life. I mean, I guess so. I guess so. Um, I was neutral. Yeah. I'll, I'll, I'll do. It depends who's the person who's wielding power, what form does loyalty take. But I do think in some way that is a little bit necessary to command control. Yeah. I was neutral on it. I'm going to do light agree. I agree.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Regularity is more important than experimentation. From the perspective of someone who has fought for regular poops for the last 15 years, yes, regularity is incredibly important, very agree. More important than your experimental poops. Oh, absolutely. Do you know how, I need... Those noise music shits he has happened. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Yeah, it's like, have you ever heard of... Throbbing gristle? That's what they call it. Those Mersbaut. Those Mersbauts shit. Yeah, actually I was about to say, I was like, have you ever heard a Mersbau coming out of a Nokia phone ringtone? That's what it sounds like. Toilet fill with throbbing gristle.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Wait, also, I'm going to stop with the poop talk after one question. But have y'all ever filled the toilet up with so much poop that the water almost rises out of it? No. No. No, what the fuck? No, my. Your toilet's broken if that's happening, by the way. Well, I break it's my water pressure.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Something's broken. No, I mean, I just, I just filled it up. I had a lot of poop. I ate a lot that night. That is extremely disturbing. It's only happened a few times. What do you think about regularity? I'm going to say neutral.
Starting point is 00:45:30 I'm neutral on that as well. It's important to give everyone a comfortable life regardless of their contributions. False. Strongly agree. Strongly disagree. I strongly agreed with that one as well. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:42 You strongly disagree That everyone should be given a comfortable life Regardless of their contributions Who should be given an uncomfortable life That isn't contributing enough No, it's fine if this is what you believe I'm genuinely curious No, you're backing out
Starting point is 00:45:58 You knew what the question was Changing my answer to neutral Because I think that Some people's contributions are vital And I think other times People should be judged Okay. This, of course, does not apply to anyone that's been cured. Okay, next question. Wow. I don't know if you're ever going to live this one down, Husser.
Starting point is 00:46:23 I know, I know. He'll be like fucking calling Dr. Gunderson after this, like, heated. Why are you? I don't understand why you're so mad about it anyways. He's the, Dr. Gunderson is the, the foremost authority on borderline. Yeah, people have personal understandings of their... Hey, whatever she believes in whatever I believe, there are two separate things. I believe something... But you're attacking Hessa for what she...
Starting point is 00:46:48 But mine is wrong, you're saying? I am saying right now that neither I am right nor is Hessa wrong. Neither we just have a difference of opinion. It will be up to Dr. Gundersen's professional... Jacques, you're not going to call my doctor from like five years ago and get private medical... I'm not asking. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me make something incredibly. Honestly, it has to let him do it and then sue the place. Let me make something incredibly clear. When I do speak to Dr. Gunderson, I am not mentioning a fucking word.
Starting point is 00:47:24 You're not going to be able to get through to him on the phone, by the way. Don't you, don't you, why is he dead? I mean, he might be interested. He might be interested in the hardest solving the hardest case. Yeah, it's a my fair lady type situation. A career-defined case solved. I want to ask him his personal opinion about the cureability of borderline personality disorder. Hesse has nothing to do with you. Next question.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Next question. Trying to control the future through rules and guidelines is asking for disappointment. Um... I don't know. I would I would lightly disagree with that, I guess. Because you have to have
Starting point is 00:48:05 rules or guidelines I mean they have to be flexible but like you can't just like not have any rules or guidelines then you're like a libertarian I strongly disagreed with that one
Starting point is 00:48:21 yeah yeah jock what do you think I disagree not strongly just regular disagree you are pro rules and guidelines I think they're there for a reason right to be broken
Starting point is 00:48:34 Question seven. It is important to stop and celebrate when someone has reached a milestone on a larger path to a larger... Strongly agree. I think we should reward people that do good and make accomplishments. Why not? Why not? You know? That's something that has to do with any of the other questions. Right. I was going to say it might depend on what the milestone is and how personal that it may be to others. I feel like Ben is making a joke now. Yeah. It is generally better to play it safe than risk the unknown. I strongly disagree. Always jump straight forward into a hole that is so dark that you don't know that if you're going to splat at the bottom or if you're going to be caught in the arms of thousands of naked women who will then tell you that you're cured from borderline.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Extremely inspirational jock, thank you for that. I'm going to say agree because it is like definitionally. playing it safe is safer than generally speaking it is safer than not playing it safe I was neutral on that just because the question is too vague
Starting point is 00:49:46 men are naturally better leaders and decision makers than women strongly disagree sweetheart that was males are stronger than females basically well it said men and women but it was saying that men are the ones
Starting point is 00:50:04 that are strong men are naturally better leaders and decision makers than women strongly disagree every man's a leader and they're all leading us into the pent's going neutral on that one i know it no i'm a strongly disagree there what my i did have i did there's one later coming up where i did smack down women well i think he was going to say i thought you would have said i thought you would have said disagree because of hillary clinton or elizabeth uh whatever he did i jack you're confused let's go to the next question. Strict social norms are generally a positive thing for societies. False. Strongly disagree. Strongly disagree. I agreed with that. Really? Because the strict social norms could be whatever, but I do think you need social norms to have any kind of functioning society. And they can be malleable.
Starting point is 00:50:53 Yeah, but strict is. Right. That's why they slightly agreed. I'm going to go, I'm going to lightly disagree then on that one. because I mean, you know, they serve of purpose. And those social norms can be transgender, gay, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Planning often stifles creativity and innovation. Disagree. Can you say it again? I'm trying to.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Planning often stifles creativity and innovation. Neutral because I think some of the best things we've ever been introduced to are spontaneous. I agree and then also that some of the things that were planned out have become some of the best things that we've ever done
Starting point is 00:51:39 I mean I think you can plan without like committing to the plan a million percent you know it's good to have a plan and then be able to deviate from it an intention yeah
Starting point is 00:51:51 question never setting those again people get their best and most valuable ideas and environments that allow for loose and spontaneous decisions true I strongly
Starting point is 00:52:04 with that I'll lightly agree with that period lightly salted I prefer strongly salted yes the economic system in my country
Starting point is 00:52:19 should be structured in a way that maximally rewards efforts taken in union what I don't understand that one thank God you didn't understand the economic the economic system in my country should be structured in a way that maximally rewards efforts taken communally okay so my so you're saying your country should reward the people that do things for the community decisions that are made the organized groups should be rewarded as opposed to those decisions made through individual expressions of power
Starting point is 00:53:00 strongly disagree because I would agree. I strongly disagree because I think people can come to great decisions and conclusions without thinking with the group mindset. Okay. I think I'm starting to see where Jacques's answer, where Jacques's going to land on this. I did strongly, I gave that one two thumbs up. I did strongly agree with that.
Starting point is 00:53:20 The future will probably not be very different from the past. Strongly agree. Disagree. You strongly agree that the future will not be different than the past. Yeah, everything's cyclical. Everything is happening again. Right. Nothing that has happened hasn't already happened. Right. This is the issue I had in an existential sense. I kind of believe that things are recurring and there's cycles to stuff. But on the other hand, I do think we are as a species capable of creating societies that we haven't really seen before. So I was neutral on that. question 14
Starting point is 00:54:00 it is foolish to seek to do away with inequalities based on social standing and class strongly disagree yeah also that's a strongly disagree from me you strongly disagree okay interesting
Starting point is 00:54:13 not everyone has everything right it is not good for people to get what they need or want if their contributions are not valuable enough to allow it strongly disagree Jacques you agreed to that one earlier in the quiz. Well, did he asked the same? You said people who don't contribute shouldn't have comfortable
Starting point is 00:54:33 lives. Pardon me, Mrs. Kierd, but did, or did he, is he repeating the same question he asked earlier? That, but word by word. Sorry. Oh, that's what I thought. Thank, thank you. Saving more, saving more money than you need is always, is almost always a good idea. False. Strongly disagree. Spend all your money. Spend all the money you have before you're, you're, dead. And if you don't spend it now, you'll suddenly be dead and you'll be in heaven regretting that you did not. And you'll be in you'll, well, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, being in heaven being like, I wish I could go back down there. When you're like, spend my money. When you're on the escalator to the top of heaven and you're haven't fully become heavenized, you're sitting there and
Starting point is 00:55:23 you're like, hmm, these are the things I wish I could have done. You're like, fuck, I had $10,000 in my bank account. I should have bought that all pink mesh telfar suit before they took it off of the place. I'm not going to care if I'm on the escalator to heaven. I'm going to be looking around at all this cool statues. Yeah, I'm going to be high-fiving Ben, me and Ben, next to each other. I guess I'm just the most miserable prick in the world. I saw this neurologist talking about
Starting point is 00:55:51 a recent study they conducted where they used AI to map the process of dying in the human brain and there's a huge there's a huge surge of gamma waves and they like mapped it out and they were like it strongly comports with near death experiences and that a lot of people see themselves from various places in the room and then they reach a new plane of consciousness, and they relive their lives from a third party perspective, and they feel everything that they've made others feel good or bad, and that really made me think for a long time about my life. Yeah, yeah. Not that I think, I think in general, I actually have a pretty neutral. I certainly have caused pain and turmoil and anger, et cetera, in this world upon my fellow humans. But I do think I've also done, I've made a lot of people feel joy and happiness and security as well.
Starting point is 00:57:11 And I think probably in equal doses. So given that this is probably true, I'm going to work on. In the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. Right. You know, you said that. John Lenny. Right. And in the end, and in the end, I'm just going to be uncared.
Starting point is 00:57:32 Just like a piece of meat. I was on a 5 milligram edible when I saw that video and it kind of, I almost had a spiritual awakening. I didn't. Don't worry, but I was very close to being like, it's time to... I'm Catholic. I'm back. Obviously, yes, Hessa. I was like...
Starting point is 00:57:54 Time for God in my life, which, who knows? Maybe another spooky TikTok video. It's going to happen to me at some point. Might do it to me. Yeah, I really think it's in the cards for me. I think a 100 milligram edible and you might transition. Well, I'd become, I'd transition into a different functional state, that's for sure. Interdependence is more important than independence.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Interdependence is dependence on other people. I mean, that's so vague. I'm going to say neutral. I'm going to say strongly disagreed because independence is all you need to be free. You're strong. Let me read this you one more time. Interdependence is more important than independence. Oh, strongly disagree.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Because I strongly agree with that one. Followers should be expected to obey their leaders without question. Ben, do you want to answer me? Strongly disagree. strongly disagree. I strongly disagree with that as well. What did you say, Jock? I asked if you wanted to answer for me since you're my master. I mean, I'm not. I said leader. I wouldn't even, I don't think I'm your leader as well. I think I'm more of a tortured victim of yours. But I think you'll say two thumbs down, which we all agree on that. Yeah. Okay. Being consistent should be valued
Starting point is 00:59:19 more than being innovative, innovative. Neutral. That's so vague. Wait, so it's more, the statement is it's more important to be innovative than it is to be consistent. Being consistent should be valued more than being innovative. No,
Starting point is 00:59:41 I strongly disagree because Steve Jobs made the iPod and his innovation. That was great for everything. That was so cool. You didn't like your iPod, Hessa? You don't like iPods? No, I'm just saying. If I could go back and shoot Steve Jobs, I would. I would shoot anyone who made the phone.
Starting point is 01:00:03 I would get rid of, I'd go back. First, then Jobs. Shoot the people who do the Industrial Revolution. I want to live in an agrarian society so bad. I can't do this shit anymore. It's like actor driving. Then I wouldn't be able to watch movies like, I don't know, watch the drop the nightgoy.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Make up some stories about stars, girl. You would be, you'd be thriving. I'm going to kill Dr. Gunderson, so he, so the invi... Jacques, can you put, can we stop bringing this up, please? You got to get over it, dude. Yeah. Well, if I go back in time and kill him, then he, there will be no cure. And we wouldn't have had this argument.
Starting point is 01:00:42 You're welcome. Next question. Maybe we should go back and kill baby Jack Gonson, if that's the case. Question 21, there is no reason to suspect that given full gender equality, women will not be as efficient leaders and decision makers as men. I strongly agree. Strongly agree. Women can do anything. Period.
Starting point is 01:01:05 I did strongly agree with that one. That was not my anti-woman answer. I don't know where that one is might come up yet. When you have an argument with someone, it is important to give them the opportunity to save face. strongly disagree strongly disagree no I agree with that I think you yeah I strongly disagreed with that as well
Starting point is 01:01:29 I always I agreed with that as well question 23 employees should have the opportunity to pursue independent and at challenging work yeah agree I guess I mean I don't think there shouldn't be employees you know right. There shouldn't be jobs. Jock, what do you think?
Starting point is 01:01:53 Disagree? Employees? Okay. Period. But can you read it to me again? Did I misunderstand? No, no, no. Question 24. Individual goals are more important than group goals. Strongly disagree. Yes, Diva. Jock. Strongly agree.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Okay. surprise there. Subordinates and junior should be free to speak their mind with regard to what they think of superior's leadership, even if their assessment is a negative or incorrect one. Strongly agree. I'm going to go neutral. Mutual. Juniors implies that like they have the same name as their father, you know, and there's a junior at the end of their name. So. And those people are always co-heads and they're always crazy. Right. I've never really met a good junior before.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Haney, the only neutral I'm giving is when I put my car in neutral and I close my garage door and I rev that engine. BPD, black and white thinking. Period. Men are naturally more dominant and competitive than women. This was my misogynist answer. I did give this one thumbs up. I'm going to give this also an agree. for sure. Agree or strong
Starting point is 01:03:18 agree? I'll just do a regular agree. Jock, are you strongly agreeing? I strongly disagree. Because women, men are competitive with each other. Women are so much more competitive with each other. They are.
Starting point is 01:03:38 No, I do, but I think naturally, I think men, just like pure blank slate, just genetics. I think testosterone, as like, chemical that men have much higher doses of does encourage one regardless of their gender, but you know, in this case, I guess we're speaking with in biological terms, I do think men are naturally born with a much more competitive and domineering streak. Now, that's not to say women are competitive. Women are sometimes heinously competitive and compete in a different way.
Starting point is 01:04:11 But I do think men have the edge on that. Sorry. dominant really throws a wrench into it actually because like dominant is it's crazy to say men are naturally more dominant like naturally is kind of yeah right but and maybe i'm wrong maybe if any domineering women out there want to yell at me i will cave and apologize who let me just one quote who roles the world girls girls girls getting a university education is generally a good idea i strongly disagreed with this strongly disagree I'm neutral because I think an education can be helpful Right, I think maybe I was thinking too contemporaneously about this But yeah I mean I'll go I'll go regular agree Regular disagree I mean Right, let me be okay
Starting point is 01:05:00 People should be able to have everything they need or want People could be able to have everything they need or want If we would just let them Strongly agree Strongly agree just let us have it jock what do you think i mean maybe not want but need certainly throw throw want in there for yeah want need strongly i mean strongly agree almost i'm like people don't deserve their wants and needs no strongly agree they do
Starting point is 01:05:32 group goals are group goals are more important than individual goals strongly disagree strongly agree I didn't know that I didn't know that I was born for other people That one was already on there I think This was the inverse of the previously asked question People are too obsessed with having a comfortable life
Starting point is 01:05:55 As opposed to thinking more about how they could contribute Strongly disagree Jock Strongly disagree Because we should be as comfortable as possible before we're murdered. I'm strongly agreeing. All right.
Starting point is 01:06:11 There is no reason to suspect that given full gender equality, women would not be just as successful as men. Same basic question. Strongly agree. Can you say it again, please? I did strongly agree with that.
Starting point is 01:06:26 There is no reason to suspect that given full gender equality, women would not be just as successful and competitive as men. Too many negatives in there, Jacques' confusing. Yeah, it's neutral for me because I feel like women
Starting point is 01:06:37 And that men compete no matter what the situation is. The economic system in my country should be structured in a way that maximally rewards individual efforts. You strongly disagree because your country should give you all the money no matter what. I don't think you understood. The economic system in my country should be structured in a way that maximally rewards individual efforts. Oh, disagree. So it's the inverse of a previously asked question. question. Should people be rewarded more on an individual basis or on a communal basis is essentially the
Starting point is 01:07:13 question, Jock? Which I already know your answer because you already answered this. Oh, go that answer for me. I would rather focus on a few long-term goals than many more immediate goals. I would rather, certainly, but it's not what I do, I guess. In theory, you'll be... agree, yeah. Jock? Strongly agree. Period.
Starting point is 01:07:42 What are your, well? I mean, what? You don't think I'm chasing for my long-term goals? No, I think you absolutely are. What are your long-term goals? What's your five-year plan? To be famous, to be successful, to have a bigger presence with my artwork internationally.
Starting point is 01:07:58 That question puts a pit in my stomach. What's your five-year plan? Well, fuck my life. Yeah. My five-year plan is to be. be absolutely 100% care of borderline. I mean, you know, like, I am, I'm like, I'm going to go neutral on that, actually, because like sometimes goals are short term because they're important and they need to get done now. Right, right, right, right. Right. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my five year plan. I don't know. I would
Starting point is 01:08:32 like to not be living in the country. I would like to still be able to work for myself. and make enough money to survive comfortably. That's kind of my only goal in life. Question 34. It is very important to have fun and relaxation. Strongly agree. Strongly agree. Margaritaville.
Starting point is 01:08:54 Who needs pain and suffering when you could have happiness and joy? Women are naturally suited to household chores in raising children than men. Oh, actually, I take it back. is the misogynist dancer I gave. I did give a slight thumbs up to this because I do think women are more suited to child rear than men simply because they oftentimes
Starting point is 01:09:16 care more about the children that they... And because their bodies are made for it. Well, they can like lactate and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think grouping in household chores there is insane. It's like really crazy, I know. They have an extra bone in their leg
Starting point is 01:09:32 that makes it better at sweeping. It's like crazy. I love women. So I'm going to disagree. I love women. I think actually men are better at household chores. No, no, no. Strongly agree. Women are better at household chores. I, you put a man versus a woman in a clinic. You put a man in a competition where they have to change a baby, clean a house, cook a dinner. And do my laundry bitch off. And pull me a sandwich. And pleasure their man. The woman's going to win. Oh, God. God. Make me a sandwich. Ben hates hearing about your sex. Question 36. I didn't even say my sex. I just said that the pleasure of men to be satisfied by some women is possible. I'm going too far. I don't know. I don't know. There is nothing inherently
Starting point is 01:10:25 wrong or odd about a woman being the breadwinner and public representative of the family. Strongly agree. Strongly agree. Of course. We love powerful women. It'd be funny you to throw a disagree in there now after all my other answer. Completely confused. Yeah. Okay. So this was a
Starting point is 01:10:46 quiz called cultural dimensions. I've got cultural dementia. I know you know that's right. It takes certain cultural values and assigns you a country with which you share the most values.
Starting point is 01:11:04 God. Jock got a really crazy one. Oh my God. Jock got the Netherlands. Okay. Jesus Christ. A country of Jocques, imagine. Well, they do smoke weed. And they have fashion style and they ride bikes.
Starting point is 01:11:24 So the reason why Jock got Netherlands is that there's a low power distance, meaning like, how quickly someone, there's an elite class, essentially. He got individualistic over collectivistic. He got extremely feminine over masculine. He got a midpoint between low uncertainty avoidance and high uncertainty avoidance. Jock got short-term orientation over long-term orientation in terms of goals and, I don't know, the project of maintaining country, I guess. And between restraint and indulgence, he is almost entirely on the side of indulgence, which... Checked out.
Starting point is 01:12:02 jock you should go to the netherlands seems like maybe that's a place you could thrive you have this same yeah i would like to go there cultural values uh i would go look at the windmills i'll go to netherlands then denmark do you want to guess china you got hessa no i was hoping i would get china as well i did not get china but i got i got a really iconic country that i'm obsessed with um hessa i'll tell you it's in the southern hemisphere okay jesus um it's in latin america oh okay Period. It's either really good or really bad. I'm going to say Venezuela. No, not Venezuela. Not Chilean. Brazil.
Starting point is 01:12:42 Send me there, mama. You have a... They have a lot of women like Hessa there, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Send me to Rio. A lot of cured ones. Hessa, you are in between lower power balance and high power distance, I should say. You are on the collectivistic side of the spectrum.
Starting point is 01:13:01 You're on the feminine. inside of the spectrum. Period. You are on a slightly high uncertainty avoidance, which I think just means like risk assessment and the way you run a country. You are midway between long and short-term orientation. And you are actually midway between restraint and indulgence. Brazil massively outpaces you and their. Pensions for indulgence. Let me pull up mine. I took this one earlier. I got Trinidad and Tobago. Okay. Wow. Trini, bitch. She's mixed with China. And I'm basically the same as U. Hesse, although I am way on the side of indulgence, midway, high power, low power
Starting point is 01:13:52 distance, extremely collectivistic, extremely feminine, despite my one misogynist answer. And mid-uncertainty, and I am mid-long and short-term orientation. Damn. So I would love to go to Trinidad and Tobago. Yeah, when I did my gap year, the person who was in charge of the housing building was from Trinidad, and I can literally taste that fried fish he was making, like, right now. It was so fucking good. It seems like such a cool.
Starting point is 01:14:29 an iconic I would taste the fried fish I could smell the fried fish from right here I can't see her though There's a fried It's kind of the fried
Starting point is 01:14:44 And the fish Hessa she'd be fried fish Me I'm uncured meat And we got the chips And we got the chips Period Period
Starting point is 01:14:59 Come me to you. All right, everyone. Thank you for listening to this. That'd be a terrible restaurant. Fried fish and chips? No, no. The restaurant. The fish and chips would be a terrible restaurant.
Starting point is 01:15:11 I love the fish and chip restaurant here. I'm imagining like tortilla chips, uncured meats, fried fish. Why, where do un cured meats come from in fries, fish and chips? Hessa, you're fried fish. I say, shut up.
Starting point is 01:15:26 I'm uncured meat. Are you, it's been. You can't ask me that question. You can't ask me that question. You crazy, bitch. I'm about to outtrans you. My shirt says trans. Get out of here, woman.
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