Seeking Derangements - SD 472 - Charles in Charge w/ Charles Austin

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Hello Seekers! Ben here, today Charles Austin join Hesse, Jacques, and I to discuss Jacques killing people with his t-shirts, the recent Epstein dump, and Kanye's recent apology. But more importantly Hesse and Charles preview their new podcast Trouble In River City by walking Jacques and I through various scams they're covering. Subscribe Trouble In River City, a show about scams, flim flam, grifts, and graft with Dan Boeckner, Riley Quinn, Hesse Deni, and Charles Austin on Patreon! And watch the most recent Interior Motives with Honey Pluton and Marley Gotterer! And as always book Jacques by emailing [e-mail]

just wrap up the episode. I'm clicking my audacity right now. Wait, my audacity is coming through. Hold on. It's fucking so slow. Okay, I got it. All right. Wait.

Wait, no, stop. Oh, my God. A bunch of pop-up windows are popping up on the dark screen. I don't want an 11-inch penis, y'all. I got to stop looking at porn before recording. against too much viruses. Is there an issue you need help troubleshooting, Jock? No, I got it now.

Okay. You have like 25 different copies of Opera Browser in your download folder right now. Hello, hello, everyone. Welcome to Seeking Darrangements. Today we are here with the full compliment. And a special guest. We have Charles Austin here from E1 and from Fortune Kit and also from a brand new podcast called Troubleyms.

in River City, which is a podcast about scams, cons, and japs and jibes, which... And about Hesse, too. Yeah, and about me, because I'm also a co-host of that new podcast. Yeah, I consider you the main character, and we're sort of just there to support you. Thank you. I'm kind of the luffy of the podcast. Oh, okay. I'm glad to be on your One Piece podcast here today.

We're going to be discussing all things, Elbath. I'm not a One Piece fan. I thought, I heard... Well, you will be an hour from now. But you are one piece of fan, baby. I got excited. I thought you were comparing her to loop in the third at first. Okay, period.

But also, I don't ever want to be featured in your scam podcast. I'm not a scam artist, so stop calling me that. You've never run a scam in your life before, Rock. Come on. You've done scams. No. You did. You get people to send you.

you $50 if they text you before. So that's called operating a small business, bitch. There's the Beanie Baby. Well, what is a scam if not a small business? Yes, exactly. That's what we learned from the music band. So we can not get into the cancer patient

Beanie Baby. I can't. I can't. It's not, don't worry, Charles. I didn't do that. I didn't do anything wrong. All right. I think Hesse is on this show to investigate Jacques.

She's coming up with material for our show. by acting like she's doing the show. It's been a long con. It's been five-year con. She's like, hey, shock. I just wanted to check up on you after the show. So why don't you talk about all of your crimes you've committed? It's a call coming from Quantico.

Okay, Charles, it's very funny. You say that I got a Google Voice phone number, and you can choose which area code you want to use. And I would use the Quantico. That's great. Yeah, they do have their own area codes. I remember this. And it would say Quantico, Virginia.

I would all people would be like scam call likely from Quantico. I convinced Chalko, Newk had been launched quite a few times. No, you didn't convince. I was never convinced of a nuclear threat from your ass. Okay. Jack famously got scammed into thinking that

Durinda Medley was going to take him on a tour. In all fairness, Charles, because you didn't know the background of the story is that I was on an Instagram live with Durinda for about 10 minutes. There's video putting up to this. So it's not all predicated on a lie. It's not out of the question that she would ask to be my best friend.

And the guy that pranked me recorded the 20 minutes of him asking me questions pretending to be Dorenda's assistant. Asking me how I felt about or what my favorite parts about her were. If I didn't respond at all, acceptingly enough, he would kind of be like, are you sure? He was really forcing you to grovel for Dorinda. I just want to say I had just done about maybe 50 dabs and was outside of an apartment in a safe way parking lot of a grocery store in Denver. And I was really excited at the fact that I was talking about. You were something Lula Rowe in the parking lot and then you got off work. It was disturbing to say the least that I spent those 25, 30 minutes answering the questions of this guy.

Dale or Dane, some kind of queer faggot name. He's straight. He's been on the show. He's literally met him. Jack's trying to big dog him by being like, I don't even remember who he was. Yeah, I'm going to do that too. I'm doing this show with like Hessa or like Jenny or whatever. Begare with what names you choose there, Charles.

That's our Mike or Tom. That comes on as a guest and he thinks it's Charles in charge. again. That is what this. I think this is the Charles in Charge one piece. Take it away. We're talking about dress Rosa today. One more question before we move on because I just want to know who you are, Charles.

How old are you 16 or 17? You're going to be, I guarantee. Actually, I don't know, maybe I don't know, Ben, how old you are. I'm 37. Does that make me way older than everyone? Well, maybe Ben, you're back it up, Charles. How old do you think I am? I know how old do you think I am?

Back it up. 21. I'm 31. I'm 31 years old. Oh, okay. Jack is 49. Well, I guess I'll go kill myself. No, no, it's okay. You don't have to kill yourself. I'm 33, which puts me four years closer to your death circle. Dead circle is a concept in this cult that Jacques just joined. It's also an MLM, though. Yeah. It's also MMA.

Yeah. There must be MMA LM. There must be MMA LMLMs, right? Because the kind of guy who's really into MMA is definitely susceptible to like NML. 1,000. Yeah, absolutely. They're very easy. A lot of three-letter acronyons.

Yeah, another acronym. Back when we were a country, those were all government organizations, but now they're all privatized. All our three-letter things are. Yeah. We've outsourced the brain injuries to football players and boxers. I could use a CET scan with all these MMA injuries. I keep getting my noses running so much.

You've got to excuse me for a moment. Yeah, fine. They did like a 40 minute Q&A with you to see if you're ready to do MMA. They get you in the ring. Well, now that Jock has gone, I'm going to take this opportunity to pivot to another topic. Period.

He loves interrupting when I do that. But I feel like we would have to address the Epstein, the most recent Epstein dump. I personally, it's been making me feel like really insane. Are you saying that I'm in there? Right, yes. Because I didn't check. Oh, I'm now checking every guest to see if they're in the Epstein

files. Allendorshaw is, we are canceled. our recording for next week. Yeah. I don't know. That's a pretty big guess. I would still go through with it if I was using. I would actually love to put Alan Dershworts and Jock and a Zoom call together and just leave it.

Oh my God. I'd have Jock be like, that's actually my new bestie, y'all. Right. I would tell me he's like a music producer or something. Jog would try to win him over and get a record deal. I would love a record deal. Do I know my friend Alan Dershow? There we go.

Yes, I do know Alan Dershowitz. he's that really awful lawyer who's related to Epstein Well he's one more cases than I have Right he's actually a very good lawyer You're a lawyer? No, that's why I haven't wanted any cases Period

But you famously think that OJ was innocent And that so you do have That's one good point for Alan Dershowitz He correctly defended Oh I sense an apology in coming Dershowitz is a Kardashian No, I'm not a apologizing because

this is what I think I'm a part of a... White man. White man wrong. White man bad! I think that there's a possibility

that... Into the mic, baby. I think there's a possibility that he was covering for his son and his son was the real murderer. Alan Dershowitz. Yeah, which one? No, OJ's son, not Alan Dershowitz.

I barely care about Alan Dershowitz in the situation. So he was just being a good guy. He was just being a good father. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I have a shirt in my closet and is in that, that one right there. Getting all my news and opinions from shirts. I have a shirt in my closet.

It's covered in blood. But it wasn't my son who did it. No, no, no. Listen, listen. Nicole Brown tips his blood all over my shirt in my closet. Shut up, listen, look, look, listen. It's like when Kiss put their blood in a comic book allegedly. It's like a little gnazp of the blood.

Look, listen up. The shirt says, the shirt says, we love juice. We love the juice. Oh, God, I thought you said juice. I was really scared. It's a dursuous shirt. Let's be honest.

I don't think I'm owning a shirt that says we love Jews. I'm not Jewish. But you can be an ally. You know, they're going through a lot right now. Everyone's so wrongly mad at Zion. I just think if I'm going to support one minority group outside of Cajuns, the first group I'm going to choose is not going to be Jewish people. Who would the first group be? The hell?

Creole. I mean, that's just like Louisiana. I support all minority groups. I support all minority groups. Thank you, Charles. It sounds like you don't, Jock. You were just making them fight for number two. Second place.

It seems like you support one and you have to choose. Right before I came on here, Branson, I was talking to Branson right before I got on here and he was like, you know you're representing straight people. Well, Josh is straight. When I talk about minorities, I guess I mean myself in this instance. Yes, that's true. Minority, there's about three different Jack Antonoff types with your sort of glasses. Okay, period. There's only three of them.

Okay, I want to take back my comments. I mean, I could own a shirt. I could own a shirt that said I love juice. Okay. But I just don't have a shirt that says I love juice. I have a shirt that says I love the juice, which is O.J. Simpson, who I have a lot of sympathy and empathy for. Because of the shirt? Or did you buy the shirt because of O.J.? I bought the shirt because of O.J. And I also, have you ever seen The Naked Gun?

Yes, of course. Of course. He's just an incredible actor in that. And there's a certain... What's this character's name, Needmire or something? look i don't i don't remember everything in this little world of ours okay but i do remember that oj is innocent and he died innocent wake it up okay period what when did you get the shirt was it like when you were a baby like around the time it all happened or was it like as an adult it's a baby

is it like as an adult in 2020 i had this i saw a documentary about explaining how A YouTube documentary called. Isn't 2020 after he went to prison? No, no. He went to prison for stealing his own, his own memorabilia back. So he was definitely a criminal at that point, even if it wasn't for the murder. Yeah. He did steal memorabilia.

Yeah. Well, he committed armed robbery in Las Vegas before he died. About five, six years before he died, he did die, you know, not in a row. So he's not innocent. He did die. Yeah, of course he died. Yeah, I knew that he was going to die because two weeks before he died. died. Two weeks before he died, Los Angeles Apparel's factory store was testing a new line of products and they were all prints of

O.J. Simpson, first they were prints of his car, the white bronco. Then there were ones of him in high school and his early football photos and his football card photos. And I said to myself, okay, there are about 30 O.J. Simpson's shirt. here randomly. He's got to be dying soon. And then he died a week later. I was imagining that your shirt started like turning gray and shriveling up, kind of like a rose wilting. Like you could just tell it's going to happen because all his stuff is dying. It's funny that you just, you literally just fulfilled the joke premise of Jock gets all of his news from shirts. Wow. Exactly. He's like reading the tea leaves of, oh, this shirt, it seems to indicate that he's not long for this world. He didn't get on your news from shirts.

So, Tom. I don't care if this is dark, but if I know someone is going to die in the world of the famous people, and I have an inkling of it, I go on eBay and I start buying things. Right. You did this to Kenny Chesney, right? I did this to East Freely. He was two days from dying. And there was a recent country singer who had just died.

I think I was with you when this country singer died and you've ran out of your room squealing because you were like, I just, man, I just bought 500. Who was the countryside that died like two years ago? No, no. Well, there was a lot. Okay, so I bought a whole lot of these band shirts from a guy who had worked for maybe 25, 30 years. And you weren't concerned that you were sentencing them to death, all of these bands that you... It's like death note where if you buy a shirt of them, when you die.

Well, I had a Jimmy Buffett shirt, and I sold by Jimmy Buffett shirt for $60. and then I didn't know he was going to die at all. Should have fucking done my research like every other person I knew was going to die. And I sold his shirt for 60 and the next day the same shirt because he died was worth $500. So who's next?

So you play t-shirts like the stock market essentially? Also, he's really so random. Who's going to die next? Who's going to die next? Because I mean, if your insight is really this sterling, I'd love to play some beds on the call sheet on the next celebrity to die. Okay.

Roseanne, heart attack. Roseanne heart attack. You heard it here, folks. Invest in Rosanne Merge now. Rosanne's death is up. I swear about it. She dies in like the next three months. I'm actually going to kill myself.

Can I get a T-shirt of you, Ben? No. You are uniquely positioned with your T-shirt-making knowledge to kind of influence. the future. Oh, John and I can start basically taking out like a psychic hitman. Yeah, yeah. Hessa, I'm so sorry, but the next person that's a famous rock star that's going to die. Don't say it. Don't say it. It's Paul McCartney. No, it's not going to happen. He's going to be alive forever. I wouldn't. No, it wouldn't be fine. It wouldn't be fine. It would be the opposite. Hesse would be

altered forever. Me and Alex were saying on Fortune Kit that we should send him to space, kind of like the Voyager Gold Disc. He's already finished his work on Earth. Let's just send him to space. Maybe the aliens will find him in time, but he's got I'd love to contribute down here. So they might get more use out of them. Was he? I love the idea. Was Paul McCartney and the flight logs? No.

I don't know, actually. I searched him. I searched him. Yeah. I searched him in the releases. And the only, the only thing that he was in in the Epstein files was, um, a bunch of mass Democratic Party emails to a bunch of like big donors.

And he's in the, yeah, he's in the receiving kind of thing. I don't think Charles would know. He's from episode one, not true and on. They don't maybe talk about the same. stuff. Yeah, we talk about silly things. I love episode one. Jock is, Jock gets really, really better when someone else else has a podcast comes on the show.

Just to what you know. No, I'm actually being nice, I think. I don't think I've said anything deflamatory to you. Ben, uh, I feel like the only time we had you on, Ben, was the one where you and Palma, uh, where the Biden staffers trying to suck his dick to make him more popular with the youth. I love that. That was a really fun episode.

Yeah, I believe I was doing it like a who kind of, what? Then it was the third person. You said you and... Oh, Max. Palma. See, Jock is back on his... I just get it.

I don't know. Never heard of it. I miss that guy. He's got the best-tasted music in this world. Yeah, we love Palmer. Yeah, no, that was a... Cartney. Oh, there we go.

That could be his Halloween costume. He just dresses up as Paul McCartney. He's like, I'm Paul McCartney. I love the drums. The classic McCartney quote. Wait, isn't there a new... Beatles movie coming out? There's four movies coming out in like two years.

Fuck. Yeah, and it's supposed to be from each Beatles' perspective. Are you kidding me? I've talked about this a lot on Fortune Kicks. We just talk about the dumbest stories in music where something we learned about Ringo, which I didn't know, is that he's never eaten pizza in his entire life. Okay.

So you think that's going to be a theme in the movie? Yes, I think the movie's going to be all about how he's never eaten pizza. And everyone else is sketched as fuck on him. He's even been in a fucking Pizza Hut commercial, seriously, and he was the only person in the commercial who didn't eat the pizza. And he says it's because of allergies, but I don't fucking believe it because you can get, like, you know, gluten-free crust. You can get, like, a replacement salt.

You can replace all the ingredients. So I think he's full shit. It's like a rock biography about the first person with a gluten intolerance. I simply cannot break my streak. Because he didn't write me good songs. What are they called that disease? So that's what it's going to be about for his movie. Celiac.

He's like, I was the first celiac beetle. I took the acid and then they offered me a slice of pizza and I said, no, mate, I'm not going to eat that. Period. The pizza was coming alive. There's like little carousels coming out of the pepperonies and he was just so freaked out. And he started pretending to have celiac. I'm just going to go ahead and say that pizza is the most, the world's most overrated food.

So he's absolutely correct. I would kind of agree with you on that, Jock. Being and worked at the same pizza restaurant in Denver. It's like saying as sandwiches are the world's most overrated. It's just like a me opinion. This opinion is so annoying that I would say. But it's kind of like categorically correct because it's the most popular food. So is therefore like, it's the Beatles of food.

And that's why fucking Ringo should fucking eat it. Period. Right. Right. Well, he's dead now. I can't eat it anymore. Oh, he just died. He's alive.

He's alive. He's alive. He takes his hoodie off and it's a Ringo Star T-shirt. my hoodie underneath it just says trams oh no I'm next oh that's not a good sign oh bye-bye hessa no but maybe that's for the neil young album and neil young's gonna die soon oh yeah fuck

oh yeah that's true um i just want to say it he was so bad live when i saw him like well yeah that's what i hear which is a shame because i love him but i never want to go see him because i'm sorry lesbian sweeping up the floor after her shift yeah I don't know. He sounds terrible. I was in a live of years before that and it wasn't that bad. But seriously, it literally sounded like they gave him the lowest volume microphone. And then they were like, we're going to get my bloody Valentine to back you up.

It's because the only thing he can still do is play guitar. But he can't sing anymore. So he wants you to hear the thing he can still do properly. I think it was with Crazy Horse too. And I just think it sounded like absolute fucking shit. he's also like too he's too real in the sense of like he wants the original guys who are all like 80 still playing he should just get some fucking ringers who are like good in 25 yeah and then like cover up his that would be major he is the two hall list neil young album moon beam the thing is Neil young could make that work yeah yeah for sure absolutely well I dreamed I saw the silver face ships of the lying through the yellow just a distorted ass kick drum underneath if someone's like yo have you heard that new blady song he's got some old man named neil young or something on the back

neil old more like he made a song called old man so that he could age into he's genius oh my god that's a good career he used to be young man but then he retconned it he wiped young man off the face of their yeah i like to wear a skirt and um a crop top sometimes to karaoke and then i sing old man by neil young gives him a fright. Just a shock. Yeah, just a shock. It was the same time that I... You got a regular Marilyn Manson over here.

Let me say, don't try that combination in your conservative hometown. You might get pushed to the floor and kicked by a straight couple. And they might say, why are you a grown man wearing women's clothing? Because that's what happened. The amount of times you have been legally hatecrime and haven't hired a lawyer is baffling to me. Well, let me say what we did to these people. Just hire a lawyer and literally make like $10,000 strong. They grabbed.

I honestly, I was like kind of amazed. It was like the one time the community cared about. I was amazed. The crowd was amazed because it was the one time the community supported me and they grabbed this. Grab this couple of man and a woman by their legs and their feet and they lifted them up out of the bar and they threw them over the fence. Like vaulting them? They vaulted them over the fence. the fence. They threw them like they were two flat objects over the fence and they said,

Hey! They said that that's our faggot to harassed. Their hands all of them. They all beat the shit out of shot right after. And then you said something like a cartoon like, oh, you win some, you lose some. And then a little black circle closed in on your head. You're like, that's our faggot that beat the shit out of. Don't you dare put a hands on them. Right.

period. Period. But yeah, the Epstein files, they're pretty bad. Yeah, we're talking about Epstein here. That's what we've been doing for the last 20 minutes. Right. I mean, we have other stuff to get to so we can keep it quick, but I guess I just, yeah, go ahead. I found one really weird thing. Liz are talking about it? There's an evo-psych, like an evolutionary psychology, like crank named Robert Trivers. he invented this incomprehensible theory called parent

parent induction theory or something and I still am not exactly It's called something like that I'm not exactly clear He has a bunch of crazy theories one of them is that Jamaicans are so good at sprinting because they have symmetrical knees Another one is that evolution he spent a lot of his career trying to Evolutionarily justify honor kill like it makes sense because in ancient tribes sometimes you would have to kill a woman who slept around um and he sent an email to geoffrey epstein like i'm really upset that you canceled all my funding

because you've been funding me you've been funding all of my stuff for seven years and now suddenly there's been nothing and um epstein replied to him and basically said um i'm a true believer in your talents my understanding of course and it could be incorrect was that honor killing work was detrimental for you, as was the knee-hip ratio in sprinters, etc. Little public interest, where the genetics of exceptional and transgender would be helpful. So Epstein pulled his funding because he didn't look into the genetics of transgender people, which is very funny to me. Probably not the best sprinters.

I was just zoning out, imagining that's something Hesse was telling us that she believes in. Like, yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Aren't all people's knees symmetrical? Not Jamaican symmetrical. Yeah, not Jamaican. Look at Bob Marley. Look at how you think Bob Marley was so good at strumming his guitar up instead of down. It's those knees.

You could be Palmer's brother. You're like a like you kind of, you and Max kind of have a similar, but you're not Latino. Well, we can work on that. Give me some bronzer and get me a selina album. As long as you guys tell me to do it, I think it'll be okay. Yeah, that's fine. Let's get him on Avenue to Puerto Rican with some bronzer and a bad bunny. The famous street, Avenue Day Puerto Rican.

Isn't that the place in kind of the flushing? In Bushwick, there is Puerto Rico Avenue. You are correct, drunk, yes. Avenue Day Puerto Rican. I knew I wasn't having something wrong. No, you nailed it. You totally nailed that, yeah. I dropped something, excuse me.

You're good. Also, are Jamaicans good runners? I feel like when you think about like big marathons drawn it, you don't really think, is he Jamaican? No, he's like, yeah, that's what I thought. Like, yeah, he's like famous runners aren't. Right, I can't think of a point. I think he makes sense to me.

I mean, this. I think he's, yeah. No, no, no, he's like, uh, East African, isn't he? I think he's, oh my God, he is Jamaican. Whoa. So, okay, here's what happened. The guy heard just about Usain Bolt and now he assumes that's a, yeah.

Right. That's stupid. Right. If it was me, I would have been like, these are amazing, amazing luge, luge um one of the per of that's or Bob's letters. And it's actually very funny because Robert Trivers' defense of this was,

look, I'm not racist. I drove a getaway car for Marcus Garvey. Which is crazy. Literally, I'm talking about O.J. I can't be racist.

I drove a Bronco for O.J. I drove a Bronco for O.J. Simpson. I think OJ. is innocent of stealing all that memorabilia, but he's guilty of the rage. Yeah. I agree with you all that. Absolutely.

Same. Jock, your mic is muted. but I'm just going to keep talking here. In one sentence, Charles, how can you disprove that... I should have just left him... Let him leave the mic on mute. How can you, in one sentence, disprove that he killed Nicole Brown?

In one sentence... Well, I can prove that he did it because I was playing hooky from school. I was in the back of the Bronco. And I didn't know it was his. I peaked up and watched him do it, and then I couldn't say anything about it. Oh, he did it in the Bronco. Yeah, but the same... He was adjacent to the Bronco.

I was in the Bronco. driveway watching. I knew this guy was lying. And I was back in the Bronco and I was back there and I had a hide. And he kept saying, I killed her. I can't believe I killed him. And then he did a bunch of naked gun antics right after like he, yeah, on the highway, he was just like, his car was doing donuts and stuff. Sounds pretty fun. I can't trust the single thing that a person with glasses tells you. And that comes from me. What if I told you I'm not even wearing? Oh, period. Oh, Charles, you're kind of handsome. You should. keep them off maybe it'd be easier to look

it'd be easier to look it's crazy why don't you take that hood off jock talk about easy to look bald ugly gross I didn't wash my hair so look how bad my hair is today looks pretty normal

his headphones are off its but his hair looks like all the time it looks like Cynthia from Rugrats as though it always does Epstein not Epstein Einstein whoopsies whoopsies Einstein Island

Epstein has his tongue out the Einstein files It is the Einstein files basically Because Noem Chomsky was in there Yeah Right I mean I Everyone's been talking about it

But the Elon not getting invited Because he's too autistic And like Fucking coying It is It is the most satisfying thing to come out of this drop because it's like, you always knew that Elon was lying of like, he invited me, but I turned him down. But it's so funny to just get the proof that exactly what you thought happened, did happen.

Where he's like, hey, can I come on the craziest night with the wildest girls in the craziest party? And then Epstein's like, oh, it's not going to work out. Sorry, bro. And I mean, like, if you're trying to keep it even a little under wraps, he has to be the worst person to invite because you know he'd be telling everyone. Yeah. He, and I saw, he was, like, posted today, uh, he replied to, he replied to, someone and he was like, you know, I it wouldn't be hard for me

if I even cared about having a crazy beautiful passion with a bunch of beautiful girls. I could do it in a second. I don't need a creepy old man to do it. And I don't even do it because I don't that's not what my mind is focused on. And then the funny thing about that is that the person he was replying to was Grock.

God. I think to be fair to, to Elon though, if we really think about him, he only wanted to go to the island to find which underage girls he wanted to do IVF with. Yeah, so, yeah. Send him an envelope of comb. Yeah, he wanted to deliver the envelopes in person.

Yeah. Do you think if Brian, um, the, you got it, you got it. Brian Johnson had gone to the Epstein Island and he just would have said, I don't want any sex, just the blood. Well, he actually was corresponding with Epstein. Oh, he was? That makes sense. But I don't think they actually met. He claims to have met Epstein once on a Zoom call and then I went nowhere.

but then there were it went nowhere i don't think we're going to have you over here but then he was then he was also like i called my assistant right after that meeting and i told her to not um for like continue any interaction with abscute it's like great i'm sure that phone call definitely happened brian yeah do we know if oj was in the upsteen stuff jock oh my god i'm gonna google o j simpson epstein Marge Simpson Epstein The primary

connection between OJ Simpson and Jeffrey Epstein The AI description The prominent defense attorney Who represented both men Um Yeah I don't believe that many crazy things

Outside of the OJ being innocent And I don't know why You've literally defended Casey Anthony Being innocent Yeah you said You said Casey Anthony is innocent too I mean, Jack, you can't really believe you don't personally hold insane beliefs outside of OJ being innocent. You have to understand that you have some pretty radical niche beliefs.

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but I wouldn't necessarily say you from the mainstream. I don't think it's that crazy that I don't listen to Lord. You know, I don't like Game of Thrones. Right. I don't have to see anything too crazy yet. Right. Okay. I only do 500 milligrams at T.H.C. day. I don't think it's that crazy.

You know, what else, what's there to disagree with? Charles, I want you to look at me up and down and tell me what you disagree with me on a visual or a lifestyle way. I think it's just the OJ thing. I don't know. Lifestyle-wise, it seems like you got it together.

Thank you. I really appreciate that. But, yeah. All those polarites on the wall are those victims? God, damn it. Buck is sitting next to about 70 polaroids that are... Which are meticulously pinned up like someone would do

who has victims. Yes. A lot of them, a lot of these people, are they asleep, Jacques? What the hell? There's like eight people in his bed. Charles, do you like my favorite detail of Jacques's room is the the 1970s... The blue wall, greenslight?

No, the 1970s crime thriller Jacques movie. your head. 1970s crime thriller, more blue fluorescent light. I love that I have two fluorescent lights. I love that I have two fluorescent lights. I cannot believe you live like that. I would put it.

I looked at Jacques was the one who told me that I needed to get my ring lights so my camera was bright. Is it not bright enough on my end? I can, no, no, no, don't turn it up.

Please don't turn it up. I'm like, I'm like, honey, can you bring me the flashlight? Jacques, your hoodie says, Abba on it. You're going to kill Abba.

No. look it's my hoodie says all of my favorite bands and brands you're gonna kill them no sure with them on it by air scream bankstreet bar sade pc music love heina ronald macdonald solos aOL these aren't bands real house wives um NASCAR while still writing for AOL at this point is like writing for OJ at this well he's doing both AOL did nothing wrong beanie babies a radio department man, cruel intentions, orbital, sopranos, 100 geeks, blink 182, bingo boys, Sophie. I mean, come on, you got everything representing. New Orleans Saints, all right.

Rip to all of them. They all bad now. It'll be a busy week for Brock, but all of those people are. The dead. Yeah. Okay, I have an Epstein question for Hesse here. Yeah. Imagine that the Straw Hats log pose leads them to,

unfortunately, to Little St. James Island. Okay. What do you think Sanjian? would do. Oh, no. I don't like to think about it. Is there a reason why you couldn't address that question to me, Charles? What do you think, Ben?

What do you think? I agree, yes. Are you talking about Saji? No, Sondi would be honest. Sondi's honorable. Sondi would definitely be... He'd be tempted, I think. No, I don't think so.

I think he would free the girls because he, it's been shown in several... In the end, he might do the right thing, but... No, I don't know. Are you talking about the hell? guy, Sanji Gupta? Yes. He probably did go ahead.

He's definitely in the emails, for sure. God. But Charles, I was thinking we could give them a taste of the new podcast by telling them about us. Okay, well, it's all about Epstein. It's called Tu Anon, because we knew someone already did this, but we wanted to get anything about OJ being innocent.

I love the idea of it called Two Anonon. I love the idea. of a competitive podcast is just almost the half of the same. I know you love the idea of the competitive podcast. To kind of pass the baton. Yeah, yeah. Like you guys are closing yours down.

We're forcibly shutting it down. There's a new competing podcast to seeking derangements called found derangements. And everyone's calm and reasonable. Period. But I want to hear yeah, keep going.

I'm playing. Sorry. Yeah. So we've talked about, we've examined a few scams that are of note so far. Some of them are quite silly in fact. Yes, there are

a few silly scams. I think we should talk a little bit about the ostrich scam. You two into something silly? I couldn't imagine it. Yeah. So there's this basically there's this like a farmer

out in British Columbia. That's already pretty generous. They own a farm. I wouldn't say they know how to farm. but it's like these these scammers who they were like they were already scammers before this so they were doing like securities fraud

and shit like that which is partly how they funded this farm is that they found a bunch of retirees who had like real retirement plans and then they got them to buy into this mutual fund that was just all their bullshit business plans for themselves so like this ostrich farm

is what they forced all these old people to invest in being like this is a good investment but obviously they don't know how to raise ostriches they're not farmers nothing is up to code What do you even sell from an ostrich the meat? No, the meat.

Well, yeah, they're like, they're trying to sell a bunch of things. Yeah, I'm glad you asked. Particularly good at it. I do have a list of things. Well, the ostrich and emu meat is incredibly lean, so it's like sought after by like muscle types. Well, it makes sense because they're like this got,

like when eventually they got sort of found out, people like R.K. Jr. came to their defense. Oh. So it makes sense that those are the kind of people who would be into it in the first. There's a lot delicious birds. Please don't stop me from meeting my. delicious breakfast. They also got a guy named Dr.

Ostrich, a Japanese ostrich doctor, and that's not a joke, to come and create some nutraceuticals out of ostrichs DNA for them. And the nutraceuticals, they include Ostrotech oil, a jacu max, psychotic hellboy, and juji-moo-mu-ah, exclamation point. And ah is in all caps, a, h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-exclamation point. If it was lowercase, you'd be like, ah. Right. Yeah. But this is the serious, this is the serious shit. You know, this is an ostrichech oil. This is stuff for the hardcore users of ostrich neutropics.

Oh, so this is recent. Nutriaceuticals. These aren't even neutropics. These are neutrocytals. They were writing the neutropic, you know, cognitive supplement. Yeah, but really what put them on the map was that there was bird flu in Canada and the Canadian government found a bunch of bird flu, bunch of their ostriches got bird flu. And when there's bird flu, you have to call the birds because otherwise it can jump to humans and cause like another pandemic. I think it's like even worse than you're saying of like, they have like, what, 300-ish ostriches and a quarter of them died from bird flu. And they're just like putting a tarp over the birds.

So the local people who live there are just like, why is there like 60 dead out? Or it was maybe it was like 20 at the time or something. It's a hundred dead ostriches, I believe. To the government. Yeah, eventually. Like they ran it up to the government being like, oh, there's these like dead ostriches at this farm. and then like that's when once the government was on to them it sort of became like a cause

celeb for rfk junior type like anti-vaxxers and stuff because i think dr ostrich gave them the idea that ostriches could cure covid naturally yeah so they're like you can't kill the rest of these birds they have all these amazing curative properties we need these birds you know and they're like these birds are family to us you know and also another one of their defense is this isn't a farm these are just our personal ostriches and they had and they're all named yeah they had like 400. They all have names. One of them, the favorite one was named Mary, I believe. There was Newman also named after the Seinfeld character. Yeah, Newman

named after the Seinfeld character. They're probably winning me over. Yeah. But the funniest thing was that there was their favorite ostrich, I believe was named Mary. I could be wrong about this, but the, like, Mary was their favorite ostrich, and they kept posting pictures of Mary to their Instagram, like, Mary's thanking everyone, thanking all of you for your support, and people, you know, replying, like, I just shed a tear because of how beautiful this ostrich is. And then they reported- Maga retards, like just... Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but they're the Canadian brand. Yeah. Yeah. And then they reported that someone snuck onto their farm and assassinated Mary, which is very funny. Like, one of the stupidest false flag attacks.

I've ever heard of in my life. Someone came with like a photo of this one particular ostrich trying to match it up to like a hundred different ones. Someone sniped it with a snap ripple in a herd of other ostriches, picked out one specific ostrich that they knew was their favorite and shot it in the head.

It's such a funny concept. The last hit the last hitman game has like an online update where you have like it's like kill the kill Mary the ostrich. The hardest level you must get past the other ostriches. And was there... Welcome to British Columbia, 47.

Was there a public trespasser, whoever committed this crime? Were they fully just being like, it was a blue-haired animal... We're still looking for the best. Yeah, they were like someone, an assassin, snuck onto our property and killed our ostrich from afar. They also, another one of their ostriches was assassinated with a laser. Like a halo gun? like yeah

literally a drone with a halo gun on it one was killed by Hitman and one was killed by a Halo yeah one was killed by John Halo and yeah

they created a music festival that never happened Fire Fest yeah kind of like Fire Fest but for ostriches because all it didn't part of why it never happened because all the songs for it

were made with AI AI generated yeah Jesus this kind of reminds me of the not to derail your sampling here, but this does remind me of Peanut, the squirrel that

was assassinated by the local government right before the election? Wait, what happened? What happened with Peanut? So Peanut was a, I believe this was upstate. I might be wrong, but just in that general area. And there was a man who was running a Instagram account for his beloved

squirrel named Peanut and the local government, Charles Craig, I think I'm wrong at any juncture here, but the local government intervened and they were like you can't keep a squirrel as a pet and then they um went and captured peanut and i i do believe they killed peanut um yeah and so this for like this was like the october surprise no it was like the night before the election so elan was posting about it every five minutes like you have to vote for trump because they're going to do to peanut what they didn't do to you what they did to peanut that guy went on i mean actually i think this was pretty

existing. That Instagram account was all a smokescreen for his only fans. He was an only he was a Instagram thought who was just like waving his cock around next to this quarrel and people to his

only fans and then of course yeah it became this huge right-wing media narrative about the tyrannical small government of you know sovereignty. Yeah it does have similar shades in the sense that it's so easy to trick those people into supporting anything.

I mean, they would have 1,000% supported peanut being shot in the head if that person was transgender. Yeah,

exactly. Or if peanut was trans. Yeah, right. They're grooming animals now, y'all. That's the title of my memoir if Peanuts was trans,

but it's more about the the comic strip if it was transgender. Yeah. And that's your memoir? Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. The reason Charles just left

is because Chuck just pulled a smoking implement into camera. very briefly. But what's the next scam you can give us a sampling up here? We had a good one. This guy, Jim Waterson, who's a journalist in London. He tracked down this amazing story.

It started basically in London where there's all these office spaces where there's no like tenant there. So they have this scam to avoid paying business taxes by becoming a, speaking of farms. This one's a snail farm. Yeah. Where there's this guy who is making snail farms in London office spaces by sending two snails in a box with like some water and some I've heard of this. Yeah, it's a snail farm so they can avoid taxes on the space.

I'm genius. So this journalist Jim Waterson like, this guy's my hero. Rolled it up. Everyone yelled at me. He figured out who this is. Yeah. No, I mean, he's like, obviously like a criminal. He's like scamming the public out of useful money they need for like homelessness

and shit. But it is very funny. Yeah. Yeah, he traced this guy down to like rural Northern England and he shows up and like someone answers the door. Well, before. When he pulls up, there are two giant snail statues. Yeah, on either side of-

What more proof can you need? The man loves snails. Yeah, I mean, I don't hear anything wrong yet, but continue, please. Me and Jock, you guys are going to wrap up. We're going to be fully defending this guy. I know, no, that was the episode. I was defending it the whole time. But some other guy answers the door who's not this guy, but the journalist is like,

does he live here? Is this his house? And they're like, yeah, he's never talked to the. press before though. And he comes back a minute later, he's like, he'll talk to you. And he's like, oh my God. Like, he's like, if anyone never hears from me again, it's like, I'm this like urbane London journalist. And it's just like this 80 year old weird guy with snails in his

yard in the middle of nowhere in Northern England. He's like, what's going to happen to me? I'm going to bust the snail ring just so everyone knows I am not suicidal. I love life. But when this guy goes to talk to him, the guy's like, yeah, I used to run drugs for the Kosanostra. I also like. Camora. For the Camora.

So he just admits to all these crimes. He's like, yeah, I'm doing the snail thing. I hit a guy from the Camora for five years up here. Was he aware he was talking to a journalist? Yeah. Yes. And he's like 80. My feeling is like maybe he wants his legacy out there now that he's old.

He's like, I'm just going to admit to all these crimes because I'm maybe. Yeah. And what are they going to do? My, you know, proof for that theory is that at some point he called the journalist later when the article came out, like, happy with the article and being like, do you think you could make a Netflix movie about me? So, like, he's like, he really is just like, I want to tell my story. There's hopes for all kinds of losers now.

I know. There's chances for everyone to have a little biop about them. Tiger. Everyone's getting biopsy. I want to have a biopsy. Every fucking loser I know is getting a biopsy. Look at Tiger King. I never watched it, but he was clearly a loser.

Another bisexual shock. You do have a lot in common with that. Yeah, there are some parallels. Yeah. If you were a little bit more, if you were a little bit more ambitious, you would have ended up like him for sure. You're too lazy to be Tiger King. Excuse me.

If I was a little more ambitious, aren't I the most ambitious, jealous competitive person? Those are different things. No. Your mom is not. I wish you could have been like that Tiger King. I am ambitious. You're more like the Gator Squire.

I just want everyone to know that no matter what Ben says I am ambitious and Ben does not determine who I am and Charles, I know you're just getting to know me. But I am in fact very ambitious. I do a lot of things. Well, you have a lot of victims picked out on the wall. So I imagine those are a lot of people. Jock did have a duck situation. Those are his roommates. Those are his roommates.

And Jock hated the ducks. So. Chuck just got so mad fuck them ducks and fuck them faggots all them the ducks and the faggots that raised them could go to hell get lost

did they end up like peanut well they did die they had over they had at least 12 ducks and they all died because they didn't take care of them well and they moved them from Missoula Montana to New Orleans

and put them in the tiniest front they used to have a full backyard and a really thriving big setup until the raccoons started killing them off. And then one of the ducks was surviving with one leg and made it to New Orleans. And the one with the one leg was the last one alive. And one day I went to the –

He's a survivor. Went to the kitchen. And that duck was in a plastic container full of hot Epson water, just sitting there missing a leg. And I was like, y'all got to get this thing out of the fuck out of here. I need to cook my food. I don't need foul in my fucking kitchen. this is ridiculous. Get this motherfucker out of here.

I did love eating those duck eggs. That should write a biopsy. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Fuck. You know. Jacques was like,

hang, you guys, I can't have this disgust in it. And as he's putting like a bunch of like brown sludge into a big fun. It's so funny. You say that.

God, I wish I could find this photo. I was banged on the window because they live, I lived, I lived as upstairs and they were in the front yard. And I go, shut up. Stop quacking.

you fucking ducks. Did that work? The dog next door would stop barking when I would open my window and scream. You could get grindset guys into ducks because when they lay eggs, that's passive income for you? Literally, Charles, that's what I was eating so many duck eggs

when I was saying at Jocs in New Orleans because I was like, it's just free. Yeah, passive income. They're good. Disgusting. Disgusting. I've seen I've seen some passive income guys have like rabbit farms and they're like, Like, it's free meat, you know. You got rabbit eggs?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would totally be one of those guys. I couldn't kill a rabbit. I couldn't do it. If I lived with someone else who could, I would let that do it. I found the photo I wanted to mention. When you mentioned jock pointing Brown, Slat, I'm so happy he'd have headphones off for this.

This was what he was cooking when I was in World Warrants with him. Oh, my God. Period. Jock, do you remember what this was? You left this cooking overnight. You're muted. I'm muted. Sorry,

is it gumbo? You don't even know it? I don't know what this is. It's a mystery stew. Your guess is good as good as mine. There might have been a duck swimming. Let me just say that when I lived in. That's duck water.

When I lived in New Orleans, I was experimenting with cooking. Oh, yeah, you were. Oh, yeah. You could say that punch. But my cooking was definitely better than the slop that whale of an ex-roomer. Stop.

They're both a nice guy. literally a whale because you had ducks too I don't know if it's like a whole zoo it's gonna have been in another situation don't get me started on the whale in the backyard y'all fuck fuck that twink and that fatty

they are nice nice young men yeah they're so nice that they would tell me I hope I hope I die do they listen to the show maybe they hate listen be me

I told I told no definitely not one of them and then the other one I told them to stop listening definitely not one you're not allowed I said, you can't be my friend, then stop fucking listening. Right. You can't be my friend and stop fucking listening.

Great incentive. Let's get a couple more before you wrap up. Yeah, there's another one we did, the greatest prank video of all time, the assassination of Kim Jong-Nam. Was it the LOL shirt? Yeah, the L-O-L shirt. I used to have one of those L-L shirts. I fucking lost it. you get to new one. Oh my god. Talk about a great

t-shirt. That tells you the news. The L-O-L emoji died the day after that shirt was I feel so bad for that poor woman. Anyways, sorry. I know. They both, um, it was two women. Um, one Vietnamese, one, uh, one from Indonesia. And one of them was like literally sex trafficked to Kuala Lumpur. And they both

were given like a crazy amount of money to make prank videos. And basically this camera crew who claimed to be a Japanese camera crew. They were like, yeah, this is the prank. You just put this lotion on your hands and then run up behind someone and try to get it right into his eyes, cover his eyes and say, guess who? And they did that a bunch of times. And then one time they replaced the lotion with VX nerve agent and pointed out the

prank target, which was Kim Jong-Nam, the deposed leader of, Or he was he the brother of Kim Jong-il? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was going to be the next. He was next in line to rule after Kim Jong-il. But, or after, who's the? Yeah, after Kim Jong-il. But he betrayed the family by wanting to go to Japan Disneyland all the time.

Yeah, he tried to get into Tokyo Disneyland with a fake Dominican passport. If only he wanted to go to an amusement park in Mexico, that would have killed him a lot easier. Floating of our roller coaster. Oh, God. I'm sorry. I have a golf. Period. So we did that one.

Then we watched the music man. Yeah, that was the biggest scam of all. Yeah, two and a half hours long. No one liked the music man except for me. Too many damn silly songs. What is that again? It's a musical bin. And you shouldn't feel sorry for them.

It's hard for me to feel sorry for you, too, for willingly putting a musical on. That's the most fairy non-skinned. Everyone hates musicals. Everyone, I love the music, man. It's a great play. I do like my fair lady. If you cut all the music out, I think I would like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a more musical My Speed more of as My Fair Lady or a Rocky Horror, but I'm not going to. My Fair Lady, very similar. Very, very similar. Not much different about it. I think it's honorable to do theater stuff, but I also think it makes you a gay faggot if you're going to waste your time doing all that. That's what I think to. We started a new show that was supposed to be.

Traveling River City, by the way, the name of the show. Hessa is sneaking it in here where at first she was joking like, I'm going to turn this into some gay shit like seeking derangements. Then she's got us watching musicals the next week. And now I'm like, oh, it worked, you know. Charles. That's the real scam. Charles is a slippery slope.

Yeah, John, do you have any tips for Charles about working with that song? Yeah, I mean. Deal. Charles, you better be careful because, you know, it starts off with, you know, Hessa says, watch the musical. She's going to be like, why don't you listen to this album Zen by Arka? Then she's going to be like, she's going to be like, why don't you take this needle full of ester? She's, she's hanging you.

Yeah, that's how they get you. Yeah, the three-way, the three-way combo music. Charles, you might as well. ARCA is cool. I'm already on step two. I mean, Charles, you might as well just start, I don't know if you're married, but you might as well just start. I am. Start filing for divorce because Hesse is making you gay now and you're going to have to do it the wrong way, the gay way. Well, I think the problem is that the music man didn't take. I think ARCA took, but the music man didn't take.

You need both. Hasn's going to be like, can you come over to watch a movie? You're going to wake up and you're going to be tied up. Your eyes are going to be taped open. All that actually, like, gay musicals aren't going to work. So you're going to end up with, like, here's the fucking Spider-Man musical that you two did. No, no, no. That's not going to take you.

That's going to go. Charles, I'm going to leave you in this theater with three movies playing. Call me by your name. Is that Trump or Hesse? Hesse sounds like behind the scenes. But Hesse sounds like. Yeah, yeah. When I'm not recording.

Charles, you're going to have to watch three movies. call me by your name it's getting a little Dracula now Charles you're going to have to watch three movies call me by your name milk and broke back mountain

milk have they done milk have they done the musical oh not the milk musical milk the musical have they done that no the musical go milk lightning

you're burning up the corner of mile milk lightning go milk lightning Milk Lightning. This is a tragedy. He just got. He just got. There's like a sound effect.

Make all the boys cream. You can just change one word. There you go. What's the politician that they kept putting the cakes on her face? The pies? The cream. Nancy Pelosi? I don't know.

No, no. You're thinking of S&L Janet Reno? No. No. I know here. I know he are thinking of. She is a real life. Oh, Anita.

Yeah. Anita Bryant. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, fuck, I'm sorry. Is that her name? Yes. Well, she would get hit in the face with a bunch of cream pies. That's why you made me, I'll make me think that.

That's going to happen in the musical you're saying? I don't know. I'm surprised. I'm surprised. Is that what you're thinking? I'm surprised the amount of pies that were thrown at her never encouraged you to become a homophobic activist. You know what I'm saying.

Free food. That's all I. Everyone gives me pies everywhere I go. God, I wish someone would throw a damn pie. That's what I'm saying, dude. It's like throwing pizza at Ringo Star, though. She didn't want it. What's your favorite food, Charles?

This is contentious because I'm liable to say something really annoying. Just say you. Just do it. So historically on E1, I got in trouble for saying a sandwich because there's a thousand sandwiches, so I'm cheating and everyone got mad. So then I changed the chicken tiku masala after that, which I stand by. Okay, that's much better because I'd much rather throw chicken masala at you than I would. Oh, that'd be great. I would like Bugs Bunny.

I'd lick it all off my face in a big. You know what? Hasid this podcast might be really good. This guy may have a hat. John Consulate sealed approval. Honestly, you know what, Charles? You're not Charles it. Charge.

Charles. Is that what you're going to call the podcast? It's called trouble in the city. Because that's like, I'm the oldest person here and that's way older than my time. John has a lot of very strange cultural references. They never really. Is that on your hoodie, Charles and Charlie? No.

No. no no no no no well is it okay i mean i can edit this part out but do you guys want to wrap is there anything else you want to talk about do one more yes there's actually something really important that i need to talk about right now it's only gonna take about 30 40 minutes do we want to talk about conier west do we want to talk about conier west jock yeah we can just yeah i'll say i got one quick thing to say about conge west i really like the album uh late registration it's got like a lot of the hits on it class um We major is my favorite song on that album.

Celebrate celebration. It's a celebration, bitches. That's a good one. That was all I had to say. Is that what you meant? Oh, you meant the thing about him in the news, apologizing to the Jews on Wall Street Journal.

That's what you were asking if I wanted to talk about. I just wanted your thoughts in general, but I'll read it here. I just want to say that I think, keep in mind, Ben has to go. I think he could have. I'm kind of expecting this. I think, I feel like at a certain point,

an apology might be meaningless if you've said and done a certain amount of things. Well, what do you hear what his apology is first? To those I've heard, 25 years ago, I was in a car accident. It's not even a song. Shut the hell up and let me read the fucking note, please. To those I've heard,

25 years ago, I was in a car accident that broke my jaw and caused injury to the right frontal lobe of my brain. Very similar to a jock consulate story. We heard through the wire. Jacques was right. He should just wrap about this. That already was a song. Right. At that, at the time, the focus was on the visible damage, the fracture, the swelling, and the immediate physical trauma. The deeper injury, the one inside my skull, went unnoticed. Comprehensive scans were not done. Neurological exams were limited and the possibility of frontal lobe injury was never raised. It wasn't properly diagnosed until 2023. That medical oversight caused serious damage to my mental health and led to

to my bipolar type 1 diagnosis. Bipolar disorders come with its own defensive system. Denial. When you're manic, you don't think you're sick. You think everyone else is overreacting. You feel like you're seeing the world more clearly than ever. When in reality, you're losing your grip entirely.

Jock, you suffer from various no knock on you. You're very honest and vulnerable. But I'm curious what you think about Kanye's claim here. Yeah, I mean, I do think that if you get hit enough times by cars, or either on foot or on bicycle. It can lead to anti-Semitism.

There's issues in the brain. Are you speaking your personal experience here? No, no, no, no. Jacques is like, Kanye, this fucking idiot is apologizing. Right. So if we had more public transit, there would be less anti-Semitism because people wouldn't be getting hit his off. Well, Josh, do you think he's betraying the bipolar

victims of car accident? The mental illness. Well, I'm mad. I'm mad because I'm like. Well, first it was autism and then you were not bipolar and then he was bipolar and then he was just going back. Can you be autistic? Yes, come on. Well, I mean, saying that I'm saying I'm not bipolar after getting diagnosed with bipolar disorder is a very bipolar thing.

I mean, I totally believe that. Well, well, I like I just, I like the pivot from like, look, I was diagnosed bipolar but actually I'm autistic. So you're criticizing a strategy. I, I, okay, this is the thing. Well, first of all, I'm like, do people even read anyway anymore? Why would you? Like, I feel like if he had made an apology song, that was like all the positive things he likes about Jewish people. Because if you actually-

Why don't you show us what you think that song would sound like? I'll lay a heat down behind you right now. Give us a freestyle. Free style. Freestyle. Do it. Do it. Freestyle.

Star of David. So great. I love putting it on my clothes It's so fun to hang out with my friends We are working together now It's kind of a lullaby but One of the most Putting the Star of David on clothes

There was a famous time that that happened You should have put the Star of David in the sky Shining so bright in the night Yeah Oh I have a Kanye shirt I think I picked up on the coded message Jock was talking about By putting the Star of David on his shirt Well, no, no, I'm just thinking because Kanye, I have a one of his shirts, one of his shirts has a star of David on that.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. On the, where, can you explain where it is? Yeah, it's just, it's just, on the back of the shirt, there's just a star of David, and it has a cross in the middle of the star of the David. Okay. Sure. It doesn't look offensive at all. Like X out?

No, no, no, no, no. Imagine a star of David. Yeah, you got the star of David. I'm spinning the star of David in my mind. And then there's a, there's a, a, a. I'm spinning five. A like Christian style cross in the middle of that. And the cross had a couple little things coming off the sides of it.

No. Going in the same direction. Girls, we were just getting along so well. Okay, no, no, no, no. No, I agree. Late registration, honestly, is my favorite. Yeah. You could say a lot of others, but it's honestly my favorite.

The first five are all great. First, like six, honestly. Jesus is great too. I late registration is my first favorite. Do you forgive him, Shock? Well, I'm not Jewish. So you're a fan And you are a member of the bipolar community

And you've also been hit by multiple cars I'm borderline there's a big difference And then also Ours is made up I've never I've never had a public issue With Jewish people That's probably one of the only ways that me and Kanye

Had differed But Never it's never been public I think This is what I think I think if he if he apologize, now that he's apologized, he has to walk a very fine rope. And if he doesn't walk, if he gets off that rope and accidentally says something against the Jews, he's fucked. And I'm like,

oh, now you're, well, I just don't want, I just, you know, I'm like, okay, get right with everyone so that everyone can be like, Kanye's cool again and, and Jewish people could not, like, be upset by him. But also, well, what about this take? What if, what if the problem is that his beats finally fell off? because like if if his hitler song had a beat that was as good as late registration era people might be like well it kind of goes still i think the problem is he's not even producing as good of work anymore yeah so it's like come on me completely i loved how he's good that song goes hard i played it the beat the beat for the beat for the how hitler song is good all right is it okay i actually didn't listen actually you know jock i'm gonna agree with you

good morning don't i i'm also like at first I thought it wasn't that good but I'm a big fan of Donda and Donda too. Good morning Donda. So maybe he should maybe he should make it up to people by doing Heil Epstein over the same beat. I completely agree with him. Charles, have you ever heard his song Louis Bags where it starts off with a sample of Kamala Harris going we did it. It's like it's like that slowed down. That's awesome. And then the whole song is just him saying over and over, I stopped buying Louis bags when Virgil died. It's a...

Period. Just falls flat after that. I really stopped paying attention to him during the... Like the gospel era. Because the Yeh album was his first one that was just nothing. It was the first time he made an album that wasn't good or bad or anything. It was just nothing. Yeah.

And then he went to the gospel stuff and I was just like... Yeah. So I think we can unanimously say that Jock has forgiven Kanye. Oh, let me just say this too. If you watch the first drink champs Kanye West interview that's happened in this long period of when he initially starts doing all the anti-Semitic imagery or whatever, he goes in in a very eloquent way and describes some of the elements of Judaism that he really admires. And he's discussing the way that they live in this community where it's just Jewish people. I don't know what the word was. But I mean, he really, he like truly and very honestly, the way.

way that he is talking about like the jewish community and jewish people in this one particular drink champs interview he obviously understands what is like like he talks about judaism in such a respectful way of course he's going to apologize one day i i think he just got in one big beef with a few jewish people maybe i like your your uh positive things about judaism of like the star looks cool yeah well it does i mean it does yeah i mean it does like i mean i'm like i It should be on your shirt too. You're tetragrammaton. If I was ever jealous of Jewish people, for one thing,

it was their star David gold necklaces. I always thought that was kind of trendy. It's a 4D object. I actually do have a family thing, but you guys can keep going. Just text you in your mom. No, I think we're good to wrap up. Are you sure?

Yeah, because I don't think we can end it without you being there, right? I can just come back. I just have to go watch my nephew because my mom is sick. So you guys can keep going and just text me to have done. I'll run upstairs and stop the recording. How convenient that your mom is sick, right when you want to get out of a podcast, isn't it? Well, so what do you guys want to do?

Do you want me to keep it up? I would say that everyone should go listen to Trouble in River City, starring Hessa featuring me. Yes, starring me. Congrats on the Newfoundland. Yeah, thank you. If I'm trying to Google you, what's your last name? Austin. Got it. Charles Austin.

There's a guy from the Olympics. in like the 80s who has my same name. He's probably more famous than me. Charles Austin. Just some Charles Austin loser or accusations of F's D. then you'll find me with those ones. Oh, all right.

But thank you all for listening. You can Google after we end the damn recording. How so please continue. Thank you all for listening. Trouble in River City. It's on Patreon now. First few ups are up. We got more coming at you. We've got some exciting ones coming.

So yeah, everyone yeah, thank you. What's your podcast called one more time? Trouble in Riverside. The link to the Patreon will be in the description. Guys, thank you so much for listening today. It was really nice to meet you, Charles. Thank you.

Oh, of course. Bye, everyone. Bye.